Divided America: why these Americans want to quit their state

America is gearing up for the 2024 election - a rematch between Biden and Trump. The gap between Democrats and Republicans might be wider than ever - and in one state some are ready to take extreme measures.
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Huge parts of eastern Oregon vote Republican, and they're fed up with being run by liberals that outnumber them in the cities in the west.
So they are campaigning to move the state line and join the heavily Republican state of Idaho next door.
Twelve counties have already voted in favour of breaking away - with one more - Crook County - voting in May.
Kiran Moodley went to find out why so many Oregonians are ready to quit their state.
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[@airingcupboard]

The problem is US national politics has descended into identity over actually doing anything useful.

[@clarkkent3335]

No. The problem is red diaper doper babies.

[@gamervox1707]

This is the right(Republicans) and center-right(democrats) fault. Democrats only want basically little better for people and republicans do not care about people and want to have power over people without any reason at times.

[@senpaihorse7695]

Context: Bc national politics has been bought by corporation

[@izdatsumcp]

This has nothing to do with identity politics.

[@Lightscribe225]

It kinds does, but only because it has been so inexorably tied into the bipartisan circus act that American politics has become. It has become some stereotype that if you support renewable energy, then you support the "LGBT agenda whatever" even if you have no opinion on it. It means that if you support LGBT but opposite gun control, you're a fence sitter and subject to ridicule for wanting compromise. It's ridiculous how polarizing both sides have become.

[@fuzzfuzz4234]

Its not just about weed and lgbt… Alot of people on the comments are not taking what these people are saying seriously, but considering the state of Oregon is actively trying to close down self sufficient farms in favor of big corporate owned farms in the name of “environmental conservation”, I can see there being a major stand off between these two sides of the state in the not to distant future…

[@craig8638]

So you’re saying liberals are trying to close down small farms. I bet some of the people who are saying they’re trying to shut down family farms are actually owners of huge farms. Who do you think runs small organic local farms? From what I’ve seen, it’s usually more liberal minded people who want to take care of the planet. Let’s deal in facts. Corporate Ag just feeds off the division while they’re taking over small farms.

[@jb94103]

As somebody who leans very much on the progressive side of the aisle, I actually agree with this! Big corporations such as Amazon should not control the future of food and agriculture. Especially as they have done far more to destroy the planet than America’s family farmers. In fact, I bet you vast overwhelming majority of the Left would agree.

[@stuart4341]

Weed and LGBT issues are a tiny fraction of the real issues, that are the big cities trying to make their ways of life unlivable from enironmental regulatiosn, taxes, gentrification and gun restrictions.

[@alexanderangelo7284]

Just to let all non-Americans know, this seperation will never happen. The State of Jefferson movement in CA has gone nowhere. Under Article 4 Section 3 of our constitution, state borders can only change when each of the state legislatures involved agree on it, followed by an affirmative vote by Congress.

[@onlineonlineaccount2368]

No single state in the US will be able to seperate. This extremist are just lost living in the 1800s.

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

And voting for trump. And trying to stage the armed coup when he lost the last election. The rest of the world watches in horror with baited breath. No-one really cares whether Oregon moves it's borders, it's the people who want to that are the worry.

[@willieclark2256]

It’s against the constitution to make a new state out of an existing one. There is no law against this and plenty of the counties have voted for it

[@terryhoath1983]

Well it didn't stop West Virginia .... long after your constitution was adopted

[@Putnamsmif]

@@terryhoath1983 So West Virgina isn't part of the US anymore? I don't know I'm English, but I thought it was?

[@MSchon-qf3fl]

Same thing in every state. Urban areas are liberal and rural areas conservative.

[@Game_Hero]

that simplifies it, here it seems to go much deeper from politics, but their sociocultural identity and economy that is much closer to Idaho. It really is two worlds apart.

[@BlackDoveNYC]

@@Game_Hero Not sure what your point is.

[@danielefabbro822]

Indeed it looks like that in every country. Here in Italy is the same. With the difference that while in America you have to deal with just liberals and conservative, in Italy we have a range more wide of ideologies. We have commies, socialists and anarchic in the cities togheter with the vast majority of the people that is between what you call "liberals" and "conservative", we call them democrats or republicans. While in the rural areas we have again anarchics and even fascist people (while not real fascists because they themselves don't know what "Fascism" is, they just pretend to be like that). And are usually more traditional and religious. Against abortion, against foreign religions, pro-traditional family, no LGBT and stuff like that. That's the citizen basin that votes our right wing. Left wing, while being pro to much of these things, they usually ends up being less effective due to internal debate. And we accuse them openly to fail too much. Mostly because the historical left in Italy, namely and specifically the commies, have brought Italy from being a country destroyed by the ww2 to the 7th and later 8th economic power of the planet. And still today the "anti-fascist" constitution we have is an heritage of that past. It grants a shitton of rights, some even Americans don't have. But at the same time it makes burocracy and sustainability of the system a bit of a burden for our economy. Not like the EU and the ECB are not trying to dismantle everything we have, of course not. But we care about our rights. And we won't give them up to Europe. And that's why many voted the right wing... as absurd as it may look, but it happen also in America, popular political crusades are actually carried out by those who usually not share any bounds with the people, with the plebeans. The proletariat. The right wing historically belongs to aristocracy in all it's forms: monarchies, church, bourgesie, industrialists and corporativists... You know, the white collars in America. So that's shocking but at the same time is also understandable since the right usually fights against the needs to change. The correct path would be that of introducing changings slowly, in order to people to understand and accept it. But lately such changing was too fast and people of course fear it and struggle to adapt, especially if the State and current government don't do anything to help that. So it's just 50% win and 50% loss. It's a win because Italy resist to the imposition of changing in what we think it's something bad, it's a loss because the right is doing exactly that: Cutting voices on the budget. Healthcare was cut, edication was cut, pensions was cut. And people soon or later will be furious when they will discover on their skin that those they have voted for to do a job have also done exactly the opposite while pretending to care. Reason why the Meloni government will not last forever. But of course, there will be in any case the elections. So... And I think it's kinda similar to what is happening to America too. People wants politicians to respect their traditions and take care of some of these things, they vote for the only ones that promise these things, but they end up having less than before. In Italy such moment usually anticipate a brilliant victory of the Left. In America... well you guys are about to elect Trump no matter what so you're about to start this cycle. Not ending it. Electing Biden again would be unrealistic. The only other option that have some chance to get the victory is Kennedy. To me, he looks like a good guy. We Italians could give him the seat of President of the Minister's Council. The same Constitution says that you don't have to be Italian to be elected President... 😅 #KennedyForItaly! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Game_Hero]

@@BlackDoveNYC that this movement is deeper than just "I don't like them democrats" like some people simplify it, it really does make more sense for everyone for eastern Oregon to join Idaho, they match better on tons of things.

[@user-pu9ds2qg7u]

Rural make gmo food, sell guns to gangs and urban make wage slave jobs, more homeless

[@assavp]

Democracy as long as is my own version of democracy

[@igorlopes7589]

They just want to be inside a state that agrees with them, why does western oregon insist in having eastern oregon under its control anyway? Nothing would change for western oregonians at all, you guys just want *control*

[@AdamBechtol]

Mmmm

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

@@igorlopes7589 Are you aware that western Oregon subsidizes eastern Oregon so that pot bellied fat assed old men can do things like play dress-up and shoot cap pistols?

[@vedacarmony5754]

Said Putin.

[@clarkkent3335]

Good to know you support corporate (government) farming. We, on the other hand prefer locally grown vegs, plants and meats. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWbSnaBtg92kapY

[@MackeyDeeez]

To quote these kinds of people, "If you don't like it, then move".

[@willieclark2256]

Exactly. Don’t like your county voting to join Idaho you can move to the coast.

[@MackeyDeeez]

@@willieclark2256 That's literally never gonna happen. They can move to Idaho or deal with the political persecution of living in a state where trans people can get healthcare or something idk

[@edwardcumpstey9061]

Contrary to popular belief, people actually like their homes and communities and want to stay put. Some can't afford to move to Idaho.

[@MackeyDeeez]

@@edwardcumpstey9061 duh, I'm aware of that. I'm just pointing out that these are the kinds of people who will tell others to move out of America if they have any sort of criticism with how things are run here

[@lacdirk]

@@edwardcumpstey9061 The main agitator literally moved from Portland to this small town, then found it was still not conservative enough so he wanted it to become part of Idaho. He could just as well move another few towns over into Idaho himself.

[@user-py6tl9fe6j]

Oregon people are tired of taxation without representation.

[@Columbiagorgekayaker541]

There is no sales tax here

[@oscargrouch7962]

@@Columbiagorgekayaker541 Oregon has high income tax and gross receipts tax.

[@miguelpanty]

If half the state wants to leave then let them leave? Why are Libs so adamant about them staying. Why have half the state of people stay in a state that they no longer want to be a part of? If Libs in a red state wanted to join another state then let them. Let them govern themselves the way they want to be governed. Why force each side to abide by a lifestyle that they dont want, believe, or agree too? Sounds Fascist to me.

[@carolineurban4920]

....guess which half of the state subsidizes the other.....

[@TheWedabest]

Facts are never important when emotions are involved!

[@boharcrump6312]

.... So if the urban half subsidizes the rural half, doesn't it make sense for the urban half to get rid of the counties that drain their resources?

[@akahina]

​@boharcrump6312 So you advocate throwing the baby out with the bathwater... an example if conservative family values. It's tyrany that the fewer than 300,000 in Eastern Oregon want to rule the 4,000,000 in Western Oregon. In a democracy you count the votes and majority rules.

[@stuart4341]

yeah and guess which half feeds and provides raw materials to the other side? If they seperated and were to never communicate again, the big cities would starve and erupt into chaos, the rural areas would just survive with a slight lower standard of living.

[@RedStar441]

And guess which half is slowly crumbling apart.

[@ytjoemoore94]

I’ve been in both cultures and I can confidently say that the side most afraid of being controlled and feel not listened to is most controlling and least likely to listen

[@YorktownUSA]

Makes sense, I suppose, but what's your point? Expect either side to stop? No. There is no end to war and hatred.

[@AndthenthereisCencorship-xc6yi]

Nah. Disagree with that one completely. Fauci and Branden took care of that for me. I'll never vote left again and never trust the left again for anything. Control is what the left wants. Why do you think they pushed the GD juice on everyone and closed everything up? Why do you think they are hysterical about Climate change and Trans this or that. All meant to be the tyranny of the minority.

[@-o-6100]

Sure, if conservatives from rural America want to separate to another state then liberals in urban population centers that happen to be in red states should be able to separate too. Because of how the electoral college works, presidential elections would be a guaranteed lock for liberals. Be careful of what you wish for

[@AmazingDuckmeister]

Not only that, but making cities states themselves would guarantee a Democratic senate.

[@bobfaam5215]

Nothing is permanent . Democratic Party thinks that it has Hispanics and AA permanently on its side . And it gets 40% Wyte vote . Democratic Party used to be the party of segregation . And AA were on the Republicans side . This thing reversed in the past . It can reverse in the future too .

[@bobfaam5215]

@@AmazingDuckmeister Nothing is permanent . Democratic Party thinks that it has Hispanics and AA permanently on its side . And it gets 40% Wyte vote . Democratic Party used to be the party of segregation . And AA were on the Republicans side . This thing reversed in the past . It can reverse in the future too .

[@bobfaam5215]

Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes . Don’t forget that . Also these people are most heavily armed . They can easily capture the country by force .

[@bobfaam5215]

@@AmazingDuckmeister Military is overwhelming Rural Wyte and Urbsn working class Wytes . Don’t forget that . Also these people are most heavily armed . They can easily capture the country by force .

[@RedXlV]

3:25 He moved out of Portland because he found it "too liberal". But he couldn't be bothered to move a bit *further* east and actually live in Idaho? It's not as if Idaho was lacking in land he couldn't bought.

[@iamjustsaying4787]

@RedXlV Actually 2/3 of Idaho is federal land and not for sale. We would welcome conservative reenforcements especially in Coeur d'Alene, Sun Valley and Boise.

[@danielzhang1916]

Funny how they don't want to actually move to another state with all their complaints

[@mictos7705]

@@danielzhang1916it’s ironic, they would be the first to say “if you don’t like it then perhaps you should move”

[@user-pi4ih8rl2x]

Omfg another dumb comment. It's not one guy. It a majority of people in those counties want to become a part of Idaho.

[@RedXlV]

@@user-pi4ih8rl2x Then they can move to Idaho. They don't get to rewrite the state maps just because they want to.

[@ralphee7487]

for the person commenting on "they want to take away our agriculture." You can blame corporate America and the food industry for that. Yes, the food industry that financially supports your conservative politicians in D.C. that are more focused on their media appearances than their constituents.

[@willieclark2256]

No - there was a bill in Oregon that would’ve made it illegal to slaughter any cattle under 5 years old. Literally just trying to cripple an industry they don’t like but makes up a good portion of economics and culture east of the cascades

[@0jacon0ice0]

@@willieclark2256 ok but think about this. How many average liberal voter actually created that bill? Now how many large corpos who can afford to raise the cows to five did. Now as these farmers start to lose too much money these corpos buy up the farms. It’s a genuine concern and you can actually convince liberals to oppose it. But you need to leave the left right dichotomy to even process this stuff.

[@J-1410]

@@0jacon0ice0 That would be about as hard as teaching you proper grammar and spelling.

[@kirkmarusak7800]

​@willieclark2256 There are thousands of bills introduced, but most of them never get voted upon or passed. That particular bill may only have the support of the legislator who introduced it. The rest of the Legislature may ignore it. There is no reason to be concerned or panic. The legislation never became law.

[@iwiffitthitotonacc4673]

The corporations love when people misdirect the blame away from them - the people who blame liberals for the actions of corporations might as well consider themselves accomplices.

[@SDM121888]

Listening to Oregon liberals talk about “they just need to work within the government we have“ seems to totally ignore the fact that electorally it’s impossible for these people to win on a state level due to the population disparity between the big cities and areas. In addition to that the state government on the east side of the divide has absolutely zero interest in listening to people on the west side, if not openly despise them.

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

Oh boo hoo! poor victimized baby! baby want to steal 2/3 of Oregon to make himself feel better?

[@MrWhitmen1981]

It’s not impossible, it’s about messaging sucks if your tactics within the rules and law it’s fair game.

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

Liberals in conservative states are in the exact same situation but they don't throw a temper tantrum and try to steal 2/3 of those states

[@janes7227]

It's called democracy. And if people despise them maybe they should ask why? It's called reflection. Not whining.

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

@@janes7227 I wish I could just eject them from the USA. They hate democracy because they want an authoritarian dictator namely Trump. All of this nonsense is about Trump. It's all about the clown cult

[@gen-X-trader]

This is extremely accurate reporting. As someone that lives in Oregon, it's spot on, the unfortunate part is the conservative portion of the state feels this way mostly because they like to hone in on hot button issues and what they feel is a specific culture. They don't want to see gays, they don't want to see people with multicolor hair. They don't like electric cars, they just don't want that stuff around. So even if you came to some kind of agreed conclusion on things like firearm rights, taxation, things like that, there is still such an utter dislike for left-leaning culture, they are constantly going to feel that there is a war to be fought. America has very little news, what we have are marketing networks. If someone tunes into left or right leaning propaganda networks they are told on a daily basis that the other side is the reason for their suffering and the entire problem in this country. That division, I believe, is done to control the vote and keep people radicalized and reliable

[@LiberRaider]

The left has some great stuff they can be proud of, mostly civil rights. Where I think they struggle is owning their failures. Defund the police was dumb. Big, liberal cities are not beacons of hope, they're sort of miserable, especially in certain areas. I was a teacher and a lot of kids are extremely anxious and depressed in California. When you see kids in the country, they're happy and active and respectful. I know that's anecdotal but it feels pervasive. For me, I'd be more attracted to the left if they acknowledged that instead of acting like this is all inevitable and "progressive." But I'm probably just an ignorant hick.

[@ch.3569]

Its not just hot button issues. There afraid for there lively hood stuff like a requirement for electric lawn mowers seems like a great idea for someone with a house in the city, but is a major problem for someone who has a Large area in the country.

[@uknowamsaying]

@@LiberRaider The right can be gaddam evil sometimes, but the left is a complete mess of lunatics who advocate unsustainable nonsense as "Progressive". I would really want to see the segregation across ideological lines, so we an see how things pan out when states are run differently. I am very sure the Left would create societies and cities that would turn to a total decadent, broke and unsafe mess (like Portland, Stockholm etc.), and some would soon be trying to move into the territories controlled by the right. Only problem is that, when they do move into these territories they would again advocate their silly policies because the Left never like to take accountability after their failures, it is always "because their policies were not implemented right". The Left has produced kids without discipline, respect for elders/authorities, good mental health and resilience, but they will NEVER take accountability for the mess their ideas eventually create. Yet, they keep on trying to impose these failure-bound mentality & ideas on others just to feel good and "Progressive".

[@ArthurBugorski]

@gen-X-trader >an utter dislike for left-leaning culture I mean, isn't that reason enough? That's good enough reason for a divorce in a marriage. They no longer feel like they can work together to a mutually satisfiable future together, and would like to try with someone else. I'm about as far from conservative as you can get, but I do support them if that's what they want to do. There is a legitimate concern about 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat for dinner here. While, many progressives like to decry the electoral college, it does aim to strike a balance. Democracy ain't just first-past-the-post or majority rule.

[@Pekka.Pekka.1296]

The problem is that people don't talk with eachother. What if that ultraconservative father will have a gay son. His whole world will collapse. And what if the LMBTQ community would respect this old-school view of life which those old people don't want to change. (Which is inevitable though, so on the long run those conservatives will sufffer.)

[@luchiani1171]

As some one who lived in oregon, i loved the lax drug laws and the old gun laws. Its was good mix of red and blue laws until all my fellow freedom loving republicans left. I just want a government that lets people live how they want as long you do not hurt no one psychically or financially there should be no crime.

[@s0515033]

The notion that Republicans are freedom loving is a myth. It is something said, but not internalized. Freedom to them means the opposite for others. Like the freedom to impose religion.

[@henryfreab960]

As a native 3rd gen Oregonian tom McCall had it right! Now after 64 yrs I moved outta oregon because if you vote western oregon always has majority. Never thought id move from home state but it's Not the oregon my family was raised in. Was a nice place to visit but they didn't listen to Tom and stayed.

[@garrettfornea1088]

But do they really need to join Idaho? They can’t just make a new state (“Lincoln”) with eastern Washington? Jefferson needs to be its own state as well.

[@Jonpoo1]

I’m pretty liberal, pretty tolerant, I’ve been to some weird places in london but those guys dressed as cowboys hip-thrusting is probably the most LGBT thing I’ve ever seen.

[@jameswalters3571]

Can't be that liberal if you're making homophobic jokes...

[@terryhoath1983]

@@jameswalters3571 A phobia is an irrational fear. Jonpoo is not suffering from an irrational fear so he is not homophobic, just having a snigger at something that DOES look a bit gay even though it is not. They are having fun with their guns and providing the rest of us with entertainment. As Mr Bennet said in "Pride and Prejudice", "'For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn?".

[@Gryphind0r]

​@@jameswalters3571he's a troll

[@lacdirk]

​@@jameswalters3571 Seems like it touched a nerve with you, though.

[@DSAK55]

cosplaying is a big part of being a Trumptard

[@Boghopper9999]

Wonder how many times these people have actually experienced someone telling them "you can't do ... " and how much is down to what they are just told is happening on TV

[@FourDollaRacing]

It goes deeper than that... it all boils down to their mothers brainwashing them to believe in the boogeyman even though such a creature isn't real. 🙄

[@AdamBechtol]

Aye

[@mattalley4330]

Indeed. I have noticed many people on both sides of the political aisle confuse pushback with persecution. “I disagree” should not be viewed as the same as “I hate you and you are a terrible person.”

[@bigbud8182]

Yes the complete fabricated bullshit from Fox News and company is just tapping into people’s frustrations and general anger about the system and contradictions of capitalism. It’s a smoke and mirrors tactic to prevent people from coming together in solidarity. They’re constantly told the lgbtq community wants to turn all kids gay and trans, teachers are teaching gender theory in k-6, and if we add a few caravans from South America to come in then the entire system will collapse. It’s completely sensationalized or just pure bullshit.

[@danwiesdamageinc]

If you don't like the policies of the state in which you live, move to one that aligns with your views. That's the way the country was designed, and why you have the Constitutional right of freedom of movement.

[@steelytemplar]

This happens all the time - things aren't going the way someone wants and they start whining that democracy doesn't work. Democracy doesn't mean getting your way all the time. Sheez.

[@solarmaru49]

Actually it is lol

[@danielallred4806]

No it means you suffer the consequences of what you choose if you’re not careful.

[@The_king567]

Its majority rule

[@johngalt1967]

Democracy is to wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner

[@willieclark2256]

Nor is democracy ‘the tyranny of the majority’

[@mfnzer]

This is the Future. People need to move to be around people that agree with them. The ability for compromise seems to be gone.

[@suzygirl1843]

Why blame young people if older people don't want to change their ways?

[@mfnzer]

@@suzygirl1843 don't put words in my mouth I did not say anything about young people.

[@Steve-cg8ek]

Forgot about compromise their is a growing attitude of going out people's way to be cruel towards people they don't agree with.

[@WestCoastRoller]

​@Steve-cg8ek yes...people have lost or forgotten the behavioral trait of respect and being civil. Everyone thinks they are right. Everyone has a right to believe what they believe even if you disagree with them and you also do not have to accept others beliefs or values.

[@mfnzer]

The great American nation was built on compromise, with all you flavourful people it was once your strength, now you have lost that and in my humble opinion will be your downfall, all great empires collapse form within

[@PhilipJackson03]

If we do this for Oregon can we do it for Texas too? Since the Blue cities are constantly outvoted? I mean if we’re being fair here!

[@ArthurBugorski]

Absolutely. Borders are like marriages. When they don't work for the people in them, they should be dissolved, and the messiest part is divvying up the common assets.

[@willieclark2256]

What state would Central Texas join?

[@bcarg69]

Yes, please leave.

[@malachyramirez7677]

I see Panorda box might be open if this happens. Who next, illinois leaving Chicago or southwestern Virginia & western Maryland joining west Virginia. Update new york become its own state.

[@mdrocks7842]

​@malachyramirez7677 nah merge all the states and then divide them in 2 all democrat voting counties in 1 and all republican voting in the other sure the new. Borders will look like a tumour but no more problems then /s

[@kawsakiTV]

Can somebody explain to me how a country of more than 300 million people can be easily broken down into just two major political parties??? Humans are a lot more complex than just “Conservative” & “Liberal”

[@LanaDelReysBabe]

because people follow leaders not with logical reasoning, but rather with ignorant blindness. Its a joke

[@richardpatrono8185]

The Bible says stay away from the weeds and a man is a man and a woman is a woman. Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

[@maxasaurus3008]

The state lines are drawn, if you don’t like it MOVE.

[@adamheuer8502]

Or just maybe you do what I want or leave (You know this could just go in circles forever)

[@Game_Hero]

why are they drawn this way and why can't the lines be changed based on the democratic will of the people? "Because because" is not an argument.

[@Spearca]

Would they be paying back the remainder of the state for the infrastructure they're taking?

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

Don't forget what could be the worlds largest Lithium deposit

[@stevengayler8447]

You have things backwards. The country pays the bills.

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

@@stevengayler8447 Eastern Oregonians are takers. They pay far less in taxes than they receive in benefits from those horrible people in Western Oregon

[@Lucas_5092]

Lets not act like the government even tries to build infrastructure in the country

[@Game_Hero]

No?

[@zukritzeln]

"Fight for what you believe in.". But sit down and shut up when WE speak. Authoritarianism coming soon.

[@adamheuer8502]

“Fight for what you believe in, but shut up and do what you’re told” - This idiot calling them fascists

[@John__XC]

Good. I hope trump is a fascist leader

[@rafaelmusacchio5257]

​@@John__XCTDS at its finest

[@Jonpoo1]

If these people spent more time actually engaging with their communities and less time watching TV and scrolling misinformation they’d realise that most of their concerns are imaginary.

[@AliDixon95]

Yep - just straight up talking utter bullshit

[@onlineonlineaccount2368]

@Jonpoo1 ..This is ''middle America'' for ya...many are easly misled, miseducated and brainwashed with xenophobia and hatred.

[@user-sl8xb6hj9k]

They want 'freedom' but don't want to do any thinking for themselves. These people are just stupid and I genuinely have no time for them.

[@Randomstuffs261]

Exactly millions of conservatives think Trans people are attacking people in bathrooms, which has happened a total of 1 time. And think that this imaginary problem is worth reducing people's rights.

[@tvted6160]

LGBTQ RSTUVWXYZ is being pushed down our throats! Enough already! Look at Eurovision…..not 1 normal person….FREAK SHOW

[@MJR67]

It is basically your century old urban vs rural divide, what has changed is that whereas 30 years ago the population was still more evenly split between rural and urban as was the economics, this has now reversed. Anywhere in the world, it is the cities which drive wealth creation be it London, Paris, Mumbai, Tokyo, San Fran, Austin etc it is not driven my the rural economy. This has caused angst amongst rural voters who have seen their towns depleted of people and hence services. In the US towns are basically democratic voter bases vs rural is republican. The same applies by states, all the high GDP per capital states in the USA are basically democrat, the poorer states are republican. If the USA adapted a “2 state solution” and the fiscal transfers from democratic states to republican states would stop, many red state would be in a heap of trouble. The GDP per capita of the democrat part of the USA would rise and be higher than that of the republican states. So even if you look at Oregon where is the wealth, tax base etc? , it is along the coast, esp Portland. Personally not a great fan of the place but that is where the money is made, like it or not. The eastern part is a fiscal drag on the western part. Many voters don’t want to believe this or refuse to believe it. Why would Idaho tax payers take on the eastern part of Oregon which they would then have to subsidize to keep afloat? As to starting your own state it would be a vote for poverty, a bit like Brexit. Feels good emotionally, logically a case of shooting yourself in the foot.

[@muhlenberg2608]

I don't see why there would be a problem here. It's a free country. The people want to be properly represented. Urban Oregon simply outnumbers rural Oregon, and they can force their ideals on Rural Oregon. The tyranny of a majority.

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

The can MOVE TO IDAHO. What they don't get to do is STEAL 2/3 of Oregon. How simple minded are you?

[@TheStygianKing]

Reminiscing about the traditional gas stations of yesteryears reminds one of a bygone era characterized by amiable attendants, comprehensive service, and a palpable sense of community. The transition from full-service to self-service has not only elicited feelings of nostalgia but has also brought about a discernible societal shift. This evolution has, regrettably, led to a diminution in interpersonal connections and a loss of communal sentiment. Nostalgia, while evoking fond recollections, tends to gloss over the less favorable aspects of the past.

[@jeromefitzroy]

They don’t understand what democracy is

[@thomasmcroy1756]

Of course it works. You have the freedom to pick up and move wherever you want.

[@MM-xc2bt]

Freedom is based on income.

[@Game_Hero]

or democratically decides in what state you want your county to be in, or silence their humanity and concerns by telling them to go away I guess.

[@mikeg8276]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@Game_HeroCounties don’t get to vote what state they’re in LOL 🤣🤣🤣People live in the state they live in. If they don’t like it they can move. It’s called personal accountability.

[@thomasmcroy1756]

@@MM-xc2bt yeah but you are free to pursue a higher paycheck. Chinese nationals are wealthier than ever but still need government approval to travel abroad.

[@MM-xc2bt]

@thomasmcroy1756 no you are not! To get higher paying job you have to have the $$ and time to go to college or trade school. And in a pos country that makes food, roof over head and health care luxuries. You have to work multiple jobs and still have to steal to eat with no time or $$ for further education.

[@jeremyjensen7144]

I'm a liberal in Boise, Idaho. I know what it's like to be affected by a state government I don't agree with. There's absolutely no way to draw state lines in a way that everyone will find themselves in a political situation they enjoy. If the folks in Eastern Oregon get their Greater Idaho, I want my blue city of Boise to be able to split off from Idaho. Of course, both ideas (Greater Idaho and Boise splitting from Idaho) are completely untenable. People just have to accept that you're not going to always get your way politically.

[@boharcrump6312]

To quote the western Oregonians in the video, if you don't like it, why don't you move?

[@LilyGazou]

You must be great fun at parties.

[@johnpaulreed4862]

So they want to keep things like the old days like drawn out by predecessors but then want to ignore what the predecessors laid out on the map.

[@xanderx2523]

Yeah but when those maps were drawn there were no liberal cities. If our predecessors could see the non binary liberals now they would understand the new borders 😂

[@starventure]

When their predecessors drew out the map, LGBTQ did not exist.

[@Maxislithium]

Compromise is apparently anti-democratic?

[@LiberRaider]

You could argue the right has compromised far more than the left in the last 100 years. The left doesn't see it as compromise, they see it as progress. They will riot and burn things down when they feel out of options. The right tends to get political, organize and vote or move away and isolate. Neither is a great strategy for compromise and democratic strength. We're in a pickle.

[@jrbailey3208]

Neither Salem nor Olympia offer compromise; they tell the rural citizenry to shut their mouths, lower their heads, and pay the taxation levels that are theft rate and be happy about it. The Woke fanaticism that controls both Washington State and Oregon State politics allows for no compromise. This is the reality for rural citizens on the east side of the Cascade Range of the two States. I was born and raised in Western Washington State, and finished high school in Wyoming, and have family in Western Oregon, so I know all about the specifics of what's going on politically, culturally, and economically in both of those states. Sadly, both Olympia and Salem are too stupid, too arrogant, and too narcissistic, to understand just how dangerous a situation now exists in both States. Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming USA

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

Who exactly did you mean when you said Olympia and Salem? Are you referring to the ordinary voters or the politicians?

[@johndeere3486]

@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6tslike they know who they are angry at. The same “woke” politicians they hate just unleashed cops and “counter protesters” on college kids sitting in the quad. There is no “woke left” politically in America. There is a center right party and a far right party. There is no “”woke left” politically speaking in the US. Biden just tried to ram through a 100% GOP immigration bill and has still yet tot act on abortion. That’s not how a “woke left” party responds to election wins, by giving in. Heck the GOO loses electorally and they still win policy wise.

[@Joey-ct8bm]

The electoral college is undemocratic. This is just another attempt to get more electoral votes for republicans.

[@reyes12094]

Are the people in Portland actually preventing these rural folks from living their lifestyle? "They dont' want agriculture," said one of them. What? Portlanders don't want produce? That makes little sense. Democracy is about numbers. If you can't convince the majority to vote for your side, you need to find another approach to your politics. Denouncing city folks won't convince them to vote for you.

[@boharcrump6312]

They don't want BLM and LGBT and Ukraine flags hung in their kids' classrooms; they don't want mandates on what kind of vehicles they can drive; they don't want homeless tent cities like you see in major Democrat cities (Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, Austin, etc.). They don't want cultural imperialism or colonialism. Unless you think the US Democratic Party should just convert every culture on earth to their own, which I suspect is the case.

[@LilyGazou]

You have no idea what’s happening to the farms.

[@TheNakedWombat]

"I can't get my way!" *Stomps foot*

[@adamheuer8502]

“So how dare you say you don’t want to do whatever I tell you!” Stomps foot - This guy

[@TheNakedWombat]

Watching people replying to my original comment all triggered and not having the capacity to understand, is entertaining.

[@adamheuer8502]

@@TheNakedWombat Oh and what is there to understand your enlightendness. Please inform us lowly plebians

[@TheNakedWombat]

@@adamheuer8502 They're throwing tantrums. They can't control something, so they cry and try to break everything like underdisciplined children.

[@jalightbourne]

They should move to Idaho

[@scp_sixtynine4203]

Ive got 11 states and 1 civil war to reference for this

[@epikgamer4462]

I do not agree with them but West Virginia does exist.

[@PatagoniaAries]

Timothy McVeigh says hi

[@Game_Hero]

Pretty gross comparing simple democratic change of one constituency for another and a full-on pointless war to keep holding people as property. Frankly, if I was african-american, I'd be offended by this being used so casually like this.

[@scp_sixtynine4203]

@@Game_Hero but you're not, so you can save yourself the faux outrage and move to a conservative or liberal state if you want to. Old timers in Oregon don't want to move to Idaho but complain all day long that there's an imaginary boot on their neck

[@rickhall517930]

These Liberals are the same ones who cheered on the "CHAZ" debacle in Seattle.

[@charleshouston6571]

I have lived and worked in Eastern Oregon, great country and people. I now live and work in Western Oregon: weird.

[@titteryenot4524]

As a great fan of Westerns since about the age of 7, I always instinctively sided with the Indians. That instinct was correct.

[@sTraYa249]

Medal?

[@titteryenot4524]

@@sTraYa249 Medal? It’s just an opinion, love. You might need to source some better coping strategies as your current ones clearly aren’t working.👍

[@herculeholmes504]

Your instinct was unreliable. The Red Indians were at that time a Stone Age people, and they were quite savage and warlike.

[@jrbailey3208]

Would you care to provide an expanded understanding for the context of your statement? I live in Wyoming and have Arapahoe friends, Ogallala Sioux friends, Crow, as well as Alaskan Inuit family, and a variety of Washington State local peoples, having gone to school with many members of the peoples cited. I'm 1/16 Cherokee, raised by 1/4 Cherokee Gramm, and a Half Blood Chocktaw Grandfather. My point is that for me, American Indians are not esoteric, or theoretical concepts: they are real people, with real cultures I have experienced and understand, as well as the whole concept of what it means to live on the Rez (Reservation). Prior to my grandfolks taking me in, I lived in public housing in a poor, across the tracks, section of a town in Western Washington, a stone's throw from the Tulalip Reservation, which is a stone's throw from the Quileute area, and later lived and traveled in the Nooksack lands (great hobby gold prospecting area), in the Nooksack Valley just South of Bellingham WA. While I finished high school out of Wyoming, I grew up in the Puget Sound area, so I know exactly what channel 4 video on this issue actually means to the people who live there, because the very same debate that is going on in Oregon is happening in Washington State at this very moment. The bottom line is that the rural people in the Eastern sides of both Washington State and Oregon State are being oppressed and downtrodden by the higher population progressive Woke fanatics on the western side of the Cascade Range: that pro-abortion older woman kept lying through her teeth about working through the system; the Woke fanatics in Salem and in Olympia do not listen to the people on the east sides of the Cascade Range: as the saying goes in the West they treat them like a bunch of 'Red-Headed Step Children'; beating the daylights out of them in taxation and oppressive laws, rules, and regulations, but denying them their rights. They tell people on the East side of the Cascade Range to shut their mouths and accept everything that Salem and Olympia shovel down their throats. This is why you have movements in both East Washington and East Oregon to separate from the West sides of their dictatorial overlords in Salem and Olympia. This is the true reason why those movements exist. Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central Wyoming USA

[@titteryenot4524]

@@herculeholmes504 Nah. My instinct was right. If I were asked tomorrow to ride out with the cowboys or the injuns, it’d be with the latter all the way into the sunset. 🐎 🌅

[@wizbit66]

That 2020 "summer of love" was an absolute circus. Mayors running for their lives, courthouses under siege, absolute sh!tshow.

[@alexanderangelo7284]

We wouldn't have riots and revolts if we didn't have injustices ignored by our political elites.

[@crlewis6360]

Don't join Idaho, form your own state, that way you don't need permission from Idaho to join, one giant hurdle gone. Form the new state of Cascadia or East Oregon, we could use a new conservative state, and Oregon can lose all those reps. This is the same problem that all big cities have: Chicago controls Illinois, Atlanta controls Georgia, New York controls...New York, etc.

[@carterwgtx]

The sad thing about these secessionist movements…many of these secessionists really are fundamentally ignorant about how dependent they are on the group they want to split from. Pretty much every rural area in the country is heavily subsidized from infrastructure, schools, health care, farm insurance and subsidies, and law enforcement the federal or state governments…which take the vast majority of their revenue from the urban areas.

[@ChronaDecrox]

As someone in a rural area that is utter bs. The city's take the money from taxes in the rural areas to prop up failing city's. It is well known by people in the country side that money they are taxed gets mainly sent to the city's. Been like that from time and memoriam. Also...why not let them have that? If they succeed they succeed if they fail they fail. Sounds quite sense able. Unless you believe in the too big to fail mindset.

[@yucol5661]

@@ChronaDecroxyeah, because their opinion on what happens to their tax money and how their finances are run is soooo believable and well informed /s. They totally pay attention to politics and their taxes beyond just the amount they have to pay. That’s like asking a man who beats his wife weather she deserves it or not. Or asking a salesperson if his product is the best there is. Or asking a student if they deserve their grade. Completely unreliable

[@vandreadparty]

@@ChronaDecroxWait until your hospitals start closing because the urban tax base is gone.

[@ChronaDecrox]

@@yucol5661 that's quite elites of you. Look at the inverse. The city's would have more money to spend on their own things. How many city's have crime or homeless problems. Why not let it happen so we can learn what works. From what I know of history most city's depend on the country side.

[@danieltarczynski6559]

@@ChronaDecrox What is your source on this? Every single article on the matter from local news in Oregon mentions how the city of Portland subsidizes these counties. 90% of the countries GDP comes from Major Metropolitan areas (cities and the suburbs that directly surround them). I think you are just conflating your feelings with what is true. Facts say otherwise. It is usually cities that always subsidized rural areas throughout history. It was FDR's Tennessee Valley Authority that brought power and water to large swaths of areas in the Southeast at a great cost of billions of dollars. The TVA's budget was greater than the GDP of the areas that it was built in for example.

[@Zelazella1]

This was clearly a very biased video

[@secondamendmentconservativ3556]

The USA is a Constitutional Republic

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

Not so Ivan, the USA is a DEMOCRATIC Constitutional Republic which is a Representative DEMOCRACY. Now go tell that to the other trolls in your Moscow troll farm

[@Rootle2]

6:52 It's worrying that you're expecting your granddaughters will need abortions... Why are you not concerned about what's going on in their lives if they would get to the stage of needing/wanting that?

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

you think you have the right to dictate to woman what happens to their own bodies. You are a disgrace

[@ageoflove1980]

Yeah a country is not a cowboy larp event people.

[@notestine0221]

I wonder if these mutants cry for the horse and buggy operators that had to shut down...

[@AdamBechtol]

Mmm

[@michaelragusa5138]

I have heard about the people of eastern Oregon who feel captive to the liberal majority of western Oregon. Oregon is not unique! I have noticed a pattern in American politics: The higher the population density of a town, the more liberal and blue it is. These towns end up making the majority of a state's population or the largest chunk of a state's population(33% to 50%). The red, conservative towns become captive to the liberal, blue towns. 1) This has happened in Illinois. Central and southern Illinois are captive to Chicago and much of northern Illinois. 2) Red upstate New York is captive to the New York City area. 3) Pennsyltucky is captive to Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. 4) Most of Maryland is captive to Montgomery County, Prince George's County, the City of Baltimore, and northern Charles County. 5) Most of Virginia is captive to Northern Virginia, Richmond, and Norfolk. Governor Youngkin worked extremely hard to win the captive areas and won big in those areas. He was able to eke out a victory, so there is hope(I have lived in Virginia since 1965.). I call these situations the "Oregon Syndrome" or the "Illinois Syndrome".

[@davianoinglesias5030]

I'm sure democrats in Texas and other red states feel captive too

[@markrobinowitz8473]

No more Oregon Health Plan if they move the border to Idaho.

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

and they get an immediate 40% pay cut. Oregon's minimum wage is exactly 40% higher. They also get to pay a sales tax and don't forget, the multiTRILLION dollar price tag for the land grab will send Idaho taxes soaring for generations. I guess this all makes perfect sense to a cap pistol shooting fatty

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

plus a nice 50% wage cut

[@MegrelMamba]

Ok, no one minds 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@MegrelMamba]

​@PendeltonWhiskey so a 60% reduction in prices too?

[@chadzahirshah2588]

@@MegrelMambaJust move already, less job competition for me 😂

[@MrLarrythehacker]

The average age on the rural side seems to be 30 years older than on the liberal side.

[@zs5002]

Stay in ur state and just have more kids. That’s the right way of changing an idea

[@offbrandsoup2579]

At 4:20 he literally describes democracy/party politics and then says that isn’t a way to run a society 😂

[@patrick014]

The problem is that normal people do not want ideas that they disagree with forced upon them day in and day out. When you speak up, you are labeled as the problem. If the cities want to be dens of deviant behavior, keep it in the cities and do not make the entire state suffer because of your skewed moral compass.

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

you say that as if you're not the one with the skewed moral compass

[@patrick014]

@PendeltonWhiskey I don't placate mental patients playing dress-up and whatever other weird garbage the city people are into. I haven't owned a TV since 2008 because of the filth they started shoving down our throats back then.

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

@@patrick014 well, you must be the most moral person I've ever met! Tell me something mr high morals, are you in favor of forcing 10 year old girls who are raped and impregnated to carry the rapists baby to term?

[@soupgod1448]

This is happening allover the west, the right vs left divide is getting bigger

[@johnfinbarr1160]

Everyone needs to respect one another’s opinions and values. There is room for all in the conversation. Otherwise it’s civil war.

[@greyskullmcbeef4901]

From wikipedia: Freedom of speech and expression, therefore, may not be recognized as being absolute, and common limitations or boundaries to freedom of speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, hate speech, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, food labeling, non-disclosure agreements, the right to privacy, dignity, the right to be forgotten, public security, blasphemy and perjury. Justifications for such include the harm principle, proposed by John Stuart Mill in On Liberty, which suggests that "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others". You mentioned a seditious civil war somewhere in there...

[@cs0345]

No we don't. Like why should someone have to put up with someone else's socially backwards and harmful views

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

If both States legislated to accept the will of counties wanting to change State, it would (eventually) have to go to Congress and the Senate for ratification and I guarantee, it will sit in Congress for Years!!

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

Greater Idiocracy

[@lisamay4376]

The media constantly makes things an “us vs them.” The vast majority can work together.

[@a_9408]

Why don’t they sell their land in Oregon and buy land in Idaho? Not like they’re going to stop paying property tax 😅

[@Game_Hero]

because...you like your hometown?

[@goodsaulman3037]

@@Game_Hero nuh feeling bonded to your hometown is a crazy right-wing extremist idea.

[@MrGeoSim]

Sell to who?

[@murraymadness4674]

@@Game_Herowell they seem to hate their hometown, having to live under such horrible imposed restrictions...

[@Game_Hero]

@@murraymadness4674 you hardly have any control over the evolution of the course of nature and economy.

[@user-nc2qj2jc5q]

Just give back the land to Tribal gov't.

[@edwardcumpstey9061]

Cope harder.🤠

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

Not a bad idea.

[@wwsuwannee7993]

75 people want one thing...25 people want another thing. I don't think it takes Charlie Chan to figure out the right course of action.

[@Tyler-ze4tg]

I’m sure these are the same people who oppose statehood for Puerto Rico and DC

[@tylerkriesel8590]

DC was never ment to be a state. Puerto Rico has voted against statehood.

[@Tyler-ze4tg]

@@tylerkriesel8590 The head of government was never meant to be part of a state is what you mean. The current plan would be to keep congress, White House, etc as the District of Columbia, and have the surrounding city become a state. As for Puerto Rico, I’m pretty sure they’ve voted for statehood twice now, so I don’t know what you are talking about

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

@@tylerkriesel8590 Puerto Rico voted for statehood in 2020

[@chrisjackson1215]

"We're all for Democracy, we LOVE Freedom and Democracy! But you can't "force" people who want polar opposite things together, it's not a healthy way to run a society!" - Oh, got it! So what you're saying is that you only love Democracy when YOU win all the votes, right? That's not "Democracy" it's totalitarianism, real Democracy means that even if you think the people who won a vote are dumb as a box of rocks you still abide by it; it's healthy because it forces people to live with one another under rules decided by THE MAJORITY. Stomping your feet and trying to gain independence so you will get things your way is *not* democratic and these people are nothing short of animals. And yes, I'm fully well aware the person at the start said " Democracy doesn't work.", but up to this point this entire movement has been pro-Democracy. You're not "free" without some form of Democracy, at best you're simply not a slave, and you most certainly won't have more of a voice.

[@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts]

Well put. I know a few boxes of rocks myself 😂

[@Joey-ct8bm]

The US is not a democracy. It's a country where republicans are favored in the electoral college system. A real democracy has the popular vote. They gerrymander lines so they win in certain area's and then say the democrats commit election fraud without proof. Now they even try with this move to get more electoral votes. They should be put in prison.

[@aleph8888]

Both the USA and the state of Oregon are Republics not Democracies. Article IV, Section 4 of the US Constitution provides that the United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.

[@chrisjackson1215]

@@aleph8888 Oh, look, one of those people who doesn't understand that a Republic is simply a system in which the people CHOOSE (in any way they see fit) their rulers. And in turn their rulers exercise supreme power for the people. Fun fact; you can also be a Democracy, you see if you VOTE for rulers and laws you're still also a Republic. It's almost like the Constitution is set up to be a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC not just a Republic. Honestly, you people have no reading comprehension and will buy into anything.

[@skycloud4802]

Self-determinism is democracy. There's nothing wrong with a separatist state wanting it's own country - Palestine being one of them. Scotland got a crack at a vote and elected a nationalist separate party. So why not a US State too?

[@NorthLeafCrusader]

I think this is a problem in Canada too. I live in a part of the city and most of my issues are not being addressed by local politicians. I myself am considering going to rural Alberta if that's what it takes when they separate.

[@JasperOFlanigan-fb5lv]

The conservatives should just leave and go to another state if they don't like it.

[@peteradaniel]

What percentage of the population live in Rural America?

[@AdamBechtol]

It's a good question.

[@TheTrueOnyxRose]

Much less than urban. But land can’t vote.

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

@@TheTrueOnyxRose you're exactly right about that. unfortunately, the pot bellied fat assed cap pistol shooting dullards don't seem able to comprehend that fact

[@Red-Check-Mark]

​@@TheTrueOnyxRoseNeither can communists. That land, which makes your food, has people living on it.

[@bill4514]

​@@Red-Check-Marklol source

[@timtowers7997]

90% of Oregoneons live in the big towns and Portland. It is their taxes which disproportionally pay for for infrastructure in low density Eastern Oregon. No one is trying to force them to raise trans kids, drive electric cars, or stop being law abiding/responsible gun owners. Much of this resentment is based on imaginary fear of discrimination, yet they seem happy to discriminate against those they disagree with, as they wish to join a state which is happy to legislate against personal freedoms.

[@jameswalters3571]

This seems like a really shoddy economic argument. Economic activity being concentrated in dense urban areas, OK. But precisely what types of economic activity are concentrated in those areas? And what types are concentrated in the rural ones that want to leave? Would the level of infrastructure investment change if the conservative counties switched to a bordering state's administration? One where there's a better appreciation for traditional industries and a lot more votes for targeted fiscal support? Furthermore, should rural Oregon residents be more grateful for other taxpayers' support if they experience geographic disparities regardless?

[@kenhbeach]

@@jameswalters3571 Why do you assume there IS any meaningful economic activity in eastern OR? The publicly available numbers indicate otherwise.

[@daviddestefanis2989]

@@kenhbeach Cities don't grow food. And in places like Colorado and Oregon I see videos where the liberals overreach in telling farmers what they should do (and mostly what they shouldn't do) to stop using fossil fuels. Farmers don't try to tell you how to do your job, don't tell them how to do theirs. Watch Clarkson's Farm. Its great.

[@robertosborne7542]

There is a whole media structure-Fox/OAN etc etc-dedicated to keeping the outrageometer at 11,plenty of money to be made stoking that fire...see also religious grifters fleecing their flock with scary tales of how 5 yr old grandchilden are being forced to become gay or trans..

[@johngalt1967]

you apparently aren't paying attention

[@zakadams762]

I highly doubt the cowboys are upset about a little bit of giggle weed, they hate the taxes and loosing their rights in exchange for giggle weed

[@sagyolewb1599]

I live in Idaho. I do not want any part of Oregon to graft itself to Idaho. Listen Oregonians ... fix your problems.

[@stuart4341]

this video is kind of garbage, the eastern oregoners don't care that much about LGBT issues and weed, their primary concerns are rising crime, gun rights, land rights, farming and overall protecting their ways of life.

[@rpannier]

I lived in NW Indiana in the early-to-mid 90s. Lake County has more in common with Illinois, esp Cook County, than most of the rest of Indiana, but there wasn't the whine of "We want to be Illinois, not Indiana." It seems that it's usually conservatives that want their way. I haven't read about the Atlanta secession movement, or the splitting of North Carolina because liberals are unhappy with the conservative control of the states

[@Gryphind0r]

Democrats controlled Indiana in the 90s

[@AdamBechtol]

Mmmm

[@zachl3330]

My parents left IL in the 90s to come to NWI because it’s basically the same Chicagoland they’re used to but without failing public schools, high crime, and high tax burdens - the South Heights to Crown Point pipeline was massive in the 90s and like half of the people in South Lake County I knew had a background in IL, either born there or one generation removed. Hammond and Gary keep the Region blue but don’t be surprised if IN-01 swings red in our lifetime, it’s trending that way. I think people always vote with their feet but maybe there’s a sense on the left of the eventuality of their goals and a sense on the right that it’s “now or never?” As a conservative myself I’d try to flatter my side by saying were bigger on devolving more autonomy to local levels, so the libs of Asheville or Atlanta don’t feel the pressure of their state laws quite as strict, but I know that’s not true… Might be as simple as living in a purple area has its pluses, plenty of people hold their nose to live in a place that’s more affordable.

[@executivecarrot3420]

Hello? I'd like to to inform you of CHAZ, Seattle, where by violence and complete intolerance of not anything extreme left, large groups of people ANNEXED several districts in the City, (even though a lot of them didn't live there) and declared complete independence from the United States. It took armed force to restore those districts.

[@Joey-ct8bm]

They need a American Union instead of a United States

[@stephenanderson1594]

So the Austin, Houston and Dallas-Fort Worth areas can separate from Texas. Right? How about having better policies and ideas that will give you power within the state you are in. America as a whole is gerrymandered in favor of rural Republican voters where conservatives are over represented in our local and state governments even in Congress.

[@jebusmilk]

this sounds like a abusive relationship

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

don't worry, the clowns with the cap guns aren't going anywhere. Greater Idaho is a farce

[@joemanly9519]

Why can't people just mind their own business and let people alone?

[@emilydavison2053]

Whose business is it? Lax gun laws have a terrible effect on everyone, not just gun owners. People who insist on having massive diesel cars are damaging the world for everyone, not just themselves.

[@acamiln8354]

Business is not whole life. Americnas maybe learn it sometimes.

[@domenico_ginny6164]

That’s is exactly the wrong thing to do. The issue is we aren’t talking to each other. We need to hold Q &A’s for both sides to come to understandings and compromise so we can find a solution

[@nightwalkerscrypt]

No Oregon is not tearing itself apart. But let me just say even if Oregon and Idaho agree to the boarder move guess who has to approve that request. CONGRESS and Congress is not going to let that happen.

[@Theonetruegod-hw2ei]

Nothing is stopping them from leaving.

[@thomasweir2834]

Here’s an idea: Why not have gun control in the cities and no gun control in the rural counties? The vast majority of rural conservatives haven't been near a city for generations, so what's the problem?

[@equinox2655]

Ur still taking away the rights of conservatives in cities.

[@austinyoung9875]

I'm a rural American that lives an hour from Rochester and Buffalo we have to go to Rochester sometimes for important things

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

you dullards never run out of dopey and unconstitutional ideas

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

@@equinox2655 You say your rights are important but you're a complete hypocrite. You think you have the right to force women to have rapists babies. You hate freedom

[@danieltarczynski6559]

No one wants to get rid of agriculture

[@rafaelcapuano8280]

But clinate change will, if we dont do anything.

[@TheAlexagius]

No but the actions that people who are not informed have harm such communities and effectively do this. This is occurring in Europe and there have been mass protests as a result.

[@jakk222]

I wish states would govern their rural and urban areas separately. It’s practically impossible for rural communities to get the voting power cities have

[@nicholasthompson7690]

Then start electing people who actually care

[@LordChlCha]

Ha-ha South Park wouldn't make such caricatures - both sides are more like caricatures than they would be in South Park episode.

[@ownedinc4274]

If they prefer Idaho, why don't they just move to Idaho?

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

because they want to establish a Christian Nationalist territory in the northwest. They've been trying to do it for decades

[@Red-Check-Mark]

They'll take their land with them.

[@nexussays]

Because then they won't be able to whine and throw a tantrum like children and the news wouldn't be visiting their little cowboy cosplay event.

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

​@@Red-Check-Mark Idaho doesn't want them. They already have their full quota of fat old men playing dress-up

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

Idaho doesn't want them. They already have their full quota of fat old men playing dress-up

[@_ac_7649]

portland is a dump

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

Idaho is beautiful, move there

[@nikhilnewse3318]

@@PendeltonWhiskey There are more homeless people in Portland than entire state of Idaho.

[@yucol5661]

@@nikhilnewse3318there are more republicans in the Portland area than republicans in the entire state of Idaho. You do this silencing of conservative voices to yourself with your electoral college

[@ravindra7791]

When is the election or referendum for Idaho Vs Oregon

[@alexanderangelo7284]

It's not happening.

[@ravindra7791]

@@alexanderangelo7284 But the video suggests sometime in May ?

[@alexanderangelo7284]

@@ravindra7791 There is a primary election in May. But the vote to succeed won't go through. It's not happening.

[@callu947]

@@alexanderangelo7284they said the same about trump. Please can you yanks not make another mistake

[@alexanderangelo7284]

@@callu947 In order for states to change borders, the states involved must mutually agree, followed by an affirmative vote by Congress.

[@karlthomas2360]

"....we don't wanna change." True. "...we want polar opposite things..." Not True

[@patrickburns4607]

All well and good but states are not so easily divisible, so this will never happen

[@adamheuer8502]

Yeah because people like you demand that everyone do what you want

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

@@adamheuer8502 need a tissue?

[@YorktownUSA]

It's happened before.

[@etiennedelaunois1737]

America is the country of extreme. One side we have extreme conservative and the other the extreme woke. The thing that scares me is that the UK is not very far from this either.

[@mdrocks7842]

We always have to copy them for some reason

[@herlandercarvalho]

The moment anyone uses the word "woke", everyone immediately knows what the side you are on, which is, conservativism. If not, you would use the word progressivism. You just can't bear to say you're against progress, can you?

[@mdrocks7842]

@herlandercarvalho I'm on nobody's side I just think we need to find ways to coexist

[@Lambchopsalad]

​@herlandercarvalho Why so confrontational? Kind of emphasises the point doesn't it.

[@Red-Check-Mark]

​@@herlandercarvalhoProgressive policies Progressively make things worse.

[@jron20r51]

For Channel 4 great video...One thing I always believe is the UK does get how damn big the US is. I agree with leave, my son lives in Seattle and the same thing is wanted in Eastern Washington State.

[@ghostrider51500]

Idaho doesn’t want Oregon. North and south Oregon works better.

[@laurencecheyne593]

These people say their way of life is under threat but are quite happy if transferring to Idaho threatens the way of life of minority Democrats in these counties. Total hypocrites.

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

exactly, and I am one of those. I have no desire to wake up one morning and finding myself in Idaho

[@mikeferrini8884]

Do they want to keep things "like the old days" before white settlement? Or the "like the old days" after white settlement?

[@tomcarl8021]

Clearly they mean after. And you would prefer it, as well.

[@mikeferrini8884]

@@tomcarl8021 as a native, no I woudn't but thanks for whitesplainin' your views.

[@tomcarl8021]

@@mikeferrini8884 You're welcome. Enjoy the internet, and modern life, thanks to us.

[@theforcedmemefilthypapist2892]

"As a native"... oh boy like I'm sorry your ancestors didn't develop the technology needed to fend off the Europeans. Now calm down and go take some percs

[@seankingwell3692]

So you want tribal warfare? over 400 years of Iroquois' butchering taking slaves etc to bad the white man had to stop them from selling each other. We even fed the children left orphaned by the tribal wars.

[@Idahoguy10157]

Here in Idaho there are concerns of the cost of absorbing those twelve rural counties. The majority of Idahoans now live in cities. Most people accept this move of state boundaries won’t happen. It would require the agreement of both states and congress. Last time a new state was created out of an existing state was in the 1860’s. Possible, but unlikely

[@seamac7564]

"Everything is working perfectly..." -Saul D. Alinsky

[@geacefoster]

It sounds like what happened in California

[@julius-stark]

The Western side of the state really does not want to give up its slaves.

[@TrampMachine]

Lol you sound so pampered and entitled thinking you're a slave because your in a political minority. What a pathetic victim mindset.

[@peterjohnson1734]

@@TrampMachine but he's not wrong, when the majority of the counties vote one way and their voice amounts to nothing, it's like dutifully working for the ruling class who are in this case a bunch of twisted freaks!

[@Mr.Softy2457]

Why every 10 hillbillys get 2 senators & every 1000 city folk has to share thare 2 senators

[@PendeltonWhiskey]

@@Mr.Softy2457 you're exactly right, they are very well represented