Trent Horn Response Continued

[@rubenrodriguez5246]

I listen to a lot of your things brother but on this one you just try too hard to divert from the topic because you see the evidence against you

[@protestantwarrior1516]

“For Isaiah did not send you to a bath, there to wash away murder and other sins, which not even all the water of the sea were sufficient to purge; but, as might have been expected, this was that saving bath of the olden time which FOLLOWED THOSE who repented, and who no longer were purified by the blood of goats and of sheep, or by the ashes of an heifer, or by the offerings of fine flour, but BY FAITH through the blood of Christ, and through His death, who died for this very reason, as Isaiah himself said, when he spoke thus:” (Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 13) As Justin plainly states, we are not sent to a bath, but by faith to the blood of Christ for our purification.

[@TheCASSMAN777]

James White mentions his 30 year old debates with Gerry Matatics every time he talks about a Catholic apologist. I'm shocked that Gerry Matatics has not filled a restraining order against White lol

[@firingallcylinders2949]

I see James White and Trent Horn in the title, dis gon b gud

[@jongee4336]

Faaaaax

[@Nnamwerd]

It literally mentions priests being necessary to consecrate the host, Dr. White just didn’t read that part.

[@louiscorbett3278]

In Justin's apology? If so is this what you're referring to? : "when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons"

[@peterricketts8645]

Also, presbyters are not priests. The priesthood developed out of that role

[@SirThighmaster]

@Werd Nnam - That would be important for him to read if it is there. Can you provide the reference you mention?

[@michaeldonohue8870]

"No mention of circumcision being associated with baptism" 2 chapters later... "And we, who have approached God through Him, have received not carnal, but spiritual circumcision, which Enoch and those like him observed. And we have received it through baptism, since we were sinners, by God's mercy; and all men may equally obtain it." "No mention of Sacerdotal priesthood" FIrst Apology... "Then someone brings bread and a cup of water and wine mixed together to him who presides over the brethren. He takes them and offers praise and glory to the Father of the universe, through the name of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and for a considerable time he gives thanks (in Greek: eucharistian) that we have been judged worthy of these gifts. When he has concluded the prayers and thanksgivings, all present give voice to an acclamation by saying: 'Amen.' When he who presides has given thanks and the people have responded, those whom we call deacons give to those present the "eucharisted" bread, wine and water and take them to those who are absent." I wonder who "Presides over the brethren" lol.

[@walteryoung2025]

Does anybody else think that Trent horn and David Silverman could be related? They look so much alike.

[@TheCASSMAN777]

lol he looks more like Shia Lebeouf lol

[@TheCASSMAN777]

James White reminds me of the grandpa from Rugrats. "Back in my day I had to walk 15 miles to debate Gerry Matatics!'

[@palabraviva5840]

Grateful for JW refuting these things!! and calling out people like Trent as he tries to call out Protestants by deceit

[@BornAgainRN]

Trent Horn mentioned me and my book, “Why Protestant Bibles are smaller,” at the same 2019 conference where he brought up Dr. James White in his presentation. It was quite the honor to be mentioned along side of Dr. White.

[@DF_UniatePapist]

Dr. White, Justin does mention the priesthood in another chapter. I guess you conveniently forgot to read that chapter in this video.

[@danielomitted1867]

Did he refer to the priest as another Christ? Cause that was kinda the point

[@DF_UniatePapist]

@@danielomitted1867 No, but he did say that it is the priest who consecrates the Eucharist.

[@danielomitted1867]

@@DF_UniatePapist great so that does nothing to refute the point James was making.

[@DF_UniatePapist]

@@danielomitted1867 Yes it does. James White said that Justin made no mention of a ministerial priesthood being necessary for the Eucharist.

[@danielomitted1867]

@@DF_UniatePapist was this priest another Christ? Cause thats kinda important to catholic concept of eucharist. I know catholics love to see vague mentions of whatever and then read their own theology back into it

[@rubenrodriguez5246]

Hahahah this is funny because he doesn't want to address the things that are in the quote that contradict his beliefs, instead he brings up other things that distract from the point at hand 😂😂

[@DF_UniatePapist]

That’s what Dr. White always does.

[@retrograd332]

Seems to me he thoroughly refuted Trent's argument. I'm not sure how you can say he didn't address the Justin quote either. That is literally what the entire video is about. He built a foundation and addressed the issues. It seems like you only listened to a very little bit of the video rather the the entire thing. Or, you completely ignored the context. It would benefit you to listen to the entire thing and think critically. Also, if you have been watching his previous videos where he discusses Trent's presentation, you would know there is more context that this discussion is taking place in. Most importantly though, and this is in one of the first videos Dr. White did, protestants don't have to look back in history and see people who looked exactly like them. We understand that there has been good teaching and error throughout all of church history, as there is now (I think you would even admit this about your current Pope). That is why sola scriptura and a consistent biblical hermeneutic (I would say a reformed hermeneutic) is so important, so you have a standard to test teaching against. Traditions and the church fathers can be very helpful, but they are not infallible, they must be put up against God's holy and inspired word. You may say Pope or "the church" as a standard, but there is no consistency there. There are currently two living Popes that could not be any more different. That is the biggest issue with Rome as well, they teach their adherents that this is what "the church" has ALWAYS believed, so you are forced to read all church history in an anachronistic manner. The issue is though you can literally read massive differences between the modern roman church and Christians throughout the century's. The priesthood and mass sacrifice are addressed in this video on that very point. The gospel is repenting and believing in Jesus, that is what it ALWAYS has been. It is not a sacerdotal sacramental system in which you have to earn merit or require Mary as a mediator (among other errors from Rome). Those were all later developments that are provable. Friend, the roman system gives you no peace with God, when the Bible tells us that is exactly what Jesus' once for a sacrifice accomplished. Stop praying to created beings, stop putting your faith in an institution and sinful men. Put you faith in the cross of Christ and be covered by his blood for the forgiveness of sins. Grace cannot be earned, only given, through faith alone granted by God. The good works follow afterwards.

[@DF_UniatePapist]

@@retrograd332 James White BLATANTLY lied here. He said that Justin Martyr makes no reference to a ministerial priesthood in relation to the Eucharist. He does, in chapter 65 of the First Apology. He speaks about how it is the prayers of the priest (whom he calls the president) which turn the bread and wine into the Eucharist. James White blatantly lied. If you don’t believe me, go read chapter 65 of the First Apology.

[@shooterdownunder]

David Figueroa the only one doing the blatant lying here is Trent horn

[@danielomitted1867]

@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 well thats interesting considering church fathers werent always consistent with each other or even themselves. I can go through church history and find things I like or dislike just like you can.

[@bastionofthefaith92]

"most people don't know why the genuflect" even when there is no mass. Umm, actually, most Roman Catholics know why. Once the bread and wine takes on the nature of body and blood, it cannot be undone

[@Adam-ue2ig]

Given that the data shows only about 32 percent of Catholics believe in Transubstantiation it is a really conclusion that most don't know why they genuflect.

[@Adam-ue2ig]

Meant to say "reasonable conclusion" that most don't know why genuflect.

[@ChandraAnandInChrist]

hello brother

[@ELishaJesus1980]

Hello!

[@arabniga]

Hello

[@TheCASSMAN777]

I lose brain cells every time I see James White talk about Catholic theology and church history. I can't believe I used to listen to this guy when I used to be a Calvinist.

[@KristiLEvans1]

You’re really bitter.

[@adindubose9314]

DO MORE LEIGHTON VIDEOS

[@luissalazar6960]

This video help me to understand that Catholics are correct and it was hard for James White to recognize his mistake. Trent Horn is correct.

[@antsmarching1234]

Prove your point - what was the mistake?

[@Adam-ue2ig]

This is just an assertion, you don't even attempt to prove your case.

[@luissalazar6960]

@@Adam-ue2ig 2:06 "Sacrifitial language does not mean what it come to mean...."? That a concept has been defined 1000 years later does not mean it exist. Example of this situation is Trinity defined almost 400 years after Jesus. Also James said there is not a priest functions until later... that is not true.

[@Adam-ue2ig]

@@luissalazar6960 I am having a hard time understanding what you are even trying to say. Your english grammar seems to be fairly poor.

[@Adam-ue2ig]

@@luissalazar6960 The Trinity is found quite expressely in the Scripture which was all written in the first century (Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, 1 Corinthians 12:4-5, Ephesians 4:4-6, 1 Peter 1:2 and Revelation 1:4-5., etc). The reason a "definition" was formulated later was because of heretics coming in and denying the Trinity. Your claiming that first century Christians would not have understood the trinity and nobody would have had knowledge of the trinity until it was "defined" as true hundreds of years later? That would be nonsense.

[@karintraut8151]

Aish you American people this man had knowledge pardon my English

[@joshuamichael2463]

Are you Afrikaner?

[@lukewomack7915]

Dr. White you may be versed enough in early church sources where you can twist it to agree with your position, but you skip and leave out the things that contradict your position. Also you sound like you’re remembering the glory days, quit name dropping Catholics you debated almost 30 years ago. You should debate Michael Lofton by the way. It would be good for you.

[@matthewallen1266]

Mary and Joseph banged a lot and often and had lots of children. As a husband and wife should

[@lukewomack7915]

@UCBBc541h2JtPEtWpmY6JJfw nice to see a reformed Christian troll here. You must be a disciple of James White.....This is what it looks like when a Protestant vomits all over a comment reply section. Keep it up and see what your blasphemy gets you.

[@matthewallen1266]

@@lukewomack7915 Whom did I blasphemy? ???

[@lukewomack7915]

@@matthewallen1266 you mean, “who did blaspheme?” I’ll let you figure it out. If you can’t then maybe you should think about what the true essence of being a troll really is.

[@matthewallen1266]

@@lukewomack7915 No I'm right because you don't have the guts to say it, we both know you deify Mary. And that is the real blaspheme, you worship the creation over the creator and you better repent and turn from your idolatry before it is too late.