Diving Into The Mormon Temple Rituals: The Endowment Ritual (Part One)

[@Doublethink92]

Probably random question but are there allowances made for disabled people who can't stand up and change their clothing or people who have lost a limb or were born without one and can't do all the tokens? How do they tell satan to be gone, etc?

[@JordanandMcKay]

This is a GREAT question. I will pin this comment and we will also talk about this more in our next video. So in my experience…It kind of depends on the temple. Some are great and some are not. The older temples are harder to navigate with wheelchairs. I’ve had some friends who went through and it was near impossible to get around the endowment room in a wheelchair. I have heard that if people are physically not able to make the movements or gestures or change clothing, that they will have a temple worker be proxy for them. Although I had a friend in that situation who said it was very belittling and demeaning to have someone assigned to her - almost as if she was being treated like a child. They do have some interpreters and ASL sessions (but im pretty sure it’s not accessible all the time - usually there’s like one session on a certain day of the week in ASL) but I’m not sure if that is everywhere. When talking about more severe intellectual disabilities, here is official church policy: Individuals whose disabilities make them not accountable are “saved in the celestial kingdom of heaven” (Doctrine and Covenants 137:10). For this reason, ordinances are not needed or performed for them. The only exception is sealing to parents for those who were not born in the covenant.” I have heard some horror stories. It’s not exactly super inclusive. I’m not sure how/what the requirements are/if ADA applies (it’s been awhile since I’ve looked at it) for temples. The churches are accessible by wheel chair. But temples I’ve been in… not so much.

[@carolynburton1628]

Great question and answer!!👏👏👏

[@ivysweets]

@@carolynburton1628 Agreed! 🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@katelynburelle4996]

@@JordanandMcKay Religious Institutions are exempt from having to comply with the ADA.

[@germanslice]

@@JordanandMcKay If people want to know about the temple then they prepare themselves to enter the temple to learn that knowledge through the proper order or attend an open house before the temple is dedicated. That's why members who enter the temple must meet certain standards of worthiness before entering in. The reason why the temple is so different from the rest of the world is because the Lord's ways and his thoughts are more higher up than man's ways and his thoughts. (isaiah). So I knew the temple would be very different and more advanced from how the society of the world teaches and presents itself.. its not wise to mock the Latter-day Saints for wearing temple clothing to become the Many Saviors for saving all the dead as Obadiah had prophesied and saw in vision in the bible because God will restore back temple clothing and temple ordinances also to israel in the last days. For Israel will build the temple and it will heal the waters of the dead sea. Ezekiel 42-47 So we know that temple worship will continue after Christ and his apostles.. It is true that God the Father is a glowing glorified resurrected immortal being of flesh and bone that runs the universe.. It is the truth about what kind of being God is with all that light and glory. For God is a extra terrestrial being from outer space, the scriptures clearly teach that Jesus and also his Father are not here from this world. The Bible even tells you many times over that Jesus and his Father don't come from this world. So their ways are going to be different from the worlds ways. And that's why its kept in the temple of their higher ways. I beileve the prophet Daniel also saw the Two Lords and spoke to them. So why make fun of the latter-day saints for presenting the truth about what kind of Beings that God and his Son are. It makes no sense to me to mock them like this. There's no shock value here for those who read the scriptures and understand them for I did alot of scripture study first before I even entered into the Lord's house to learn more about who they were and of their higher ways....... For Jesus even ascended up into the clouds when he left his disciples on the ground to rise up into heaven, for no mortal being can do that without having a spaceship to travel around in so they are extra terrestrial beings that came down and visited this planet and revealed to us that they created this planet and created the commandments and told us that they put us down here on this planet....

[@starrynyte158]

24 minutes in and I'm already shocked. I'm a religious historian. My focus is Medieval Abrahamic faiths, so I never even went near Mormonism in my studies, but I always assumed that the Mormon faith was at least as close to Christianity, but I'm not even sure it could be classified as a Christian sect! As soon as I heard the 3 Gods thing in their version of Genesis, I was beyond shocked.

[@TSUNAMI-MAMI]

It’s absolutely NOT Christian. Believing you become a god in the afterlife is the antithesis of Christianity. There’s only one true god, and you can never become one - we are mere mortal humans made in his image. Mormonism is like a blend of pseudo-Christianity with Scientology

[@Constantin9va]

Pretty sure it’s absolutely a Christian sect…it always weirds me out when ppl say that. It’s creepy.

[@francescolagrotta6224]

Please refer to the scripture of which mormonism uses the bible as much as the book of mormon

[@starrynyte158]

@@francescolagrotta6224 anyone can use the Bible in any way they wish, but when a main tenet of a religion contradicts THE main tenet of Abrahamic religions (that there is one God), it should be explored whether or not said religion is still within the umbrella of Abrahamic religions. As an example, we can look at the 3rd century sect of Arianism. They believed that Jesus was not cosubstantial with God, ie. Not part of the Trinity (3 forms of a singleGod), but that Jesus was a separate entity who was equal to God the Father. That sect was deemed heretical for breaking this very important and key point of Christianity, and the very thing that ties Abrahamic faiths together: the belief in the same single God. Once you add in other God's or God figures that are not specifically identified as cosubstantial, the religion is no longer monotheistic and therefore cannot be an Abrahamic faith. Even if the LDS claim that their interpretation of Genesis requires a more nuanced reading, the teachings about the afterlife also contradict monotheistic doctrine. They clearly state that some of those who reach the celestial kingdom will be God's of their own planets. I'm not sure how that belief can coexist with a monotheistic religion where there can only be one God. Nothing in any Biblical scripture says that the Abrahamic God is only God of Earth and that other planets have their own God. Of course the LDS believe that they have the complete version of Christianity. If we hypothetically assume that is true, there is still no way to classify the Mormon religion as monotheistic and maybe the adherents should see themselves of a related religion, but it is simply not taxinomically in the same category as Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

[@nerysghemor5781]

@@TSUNAMI-MAMIEven the Jehovah’s Witnesses, messed up as their doctrines are, have more recognizable elements than this. 😮

[@hazzu]

i grew up in the mormon church, my mum had bad anxiety attacks after visiting the temple, she got depressed, and after watching your videos i spoke with her about the experience, she said she had so much fear, that years after leaving she was afraid to reveal anything that happened there, i really appreciate you doing this. you are so brave, i am sure there is still a nagging feeling at the back of everybodies head, who left the church, even i,as am thinking about officially leaving, have a little bit of doubt, i mean i am a atheist, but i was just a kid who was forced to stop going and never dealt with was it does to you.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Oh my gosh. My heart hurts for her. So many are negatively impacted by this experience in such intense ways. I am so glad you talked with her about it!! Breaking down the indoctrination is so tough. Sending you so much love!

[@emilyturner1705]

Was so glad this was asked because I was also curious. I am wondering about their ADA requirements being met.

[@kittybear9693]

Ptsd mom

[@carolhensley]

Well I'll say this .Adam and Eve look pretty good 👍 And did the actors have temple recommends? Just wondering.

[@margaretberryman6260]

Me also.@@carolhensley

[@carlyrolo561]

I don’t even like going somewhere new without googling the parking situation, how long it takes to get there, or where the bathroom is. I cannot FATHOM going through this experience without knowing a single thing that was going to happen to me. The stress and anxiety alone would be absolutely traumatizing. And that’s not including the creepy stuff we just watched. This is wild stuff.

[@JordanandMcKay]

It just is not the vibe at all.

[@shireecox122]

So many people are there to help you with everything you want help with. It’s an amazing experience.

[@dejavu8602]

Traumatizing beyond words. But my husband & family had the best phrase "Fake it till you make it" How iss that being true to ones soul? Its not but it keeps their numbers up!

[@GC2024_]

The whole fucking thing is traumatizing; I don't care who you are!! Or how many times you've been doing it

[@GC2024_]

@@shireecox122, It's not tho!! It's bullshit

[@fatmoogle4560]

I haven't been Mormon for about 15 years now? It's absolutely crazy to me that I have this little voice in the back of my head saying "you aren't supposed to know about this stuff". I never did endowments or marriage in the temple. I have an idea about what happens, but I never actually did it myself. There was all that hype about it being sacred and never posting it online. To this day I have this weird "I shouldn't be doing this" feeling. Just goes to show how much it can really affect you.

[@JordanandMcKay]

ABSOLUTELY. We’ve only been officially out almost a year and when we first left I was terrified to discuss these. People would ask and we would ignore it. This shit gets burned into your brain - just shows how really culty it is!

[@carolynburton1628]

,,💕💕

[@Richard.Atkinson]

That’s the Holy Ghost 👻 (just kidding)

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@Richard.Atkinson actually it's the familure Spirit's of Mormonism that they think is the Holy Spirit but are imposters. They are in these cultic Mormon/ Mason temple rituals and does make it harder to leave Mormonism once you go through the temple. Young Mormons who haven't gone through the temple have a better chance of leaving especially if they haven't been baptized either. That's why they do it so early.

[@cassidynichols-dahill1066]

I left almost 10 years ago and just learning what goes on in the temple. I left when I was 18 so I never got my endowments. I only did baptisms for the dead. I didn’t even get my patriarchal blessing when all the high school kids my age already got theirs because I knew I was going to leave once I was old enough. And this video and another one I saw with the splitting the throat and chanting is blowing my mind! I just kept thinking this is the the church I grew up in!

[@allieharrismusic7218]

The man who plays Satan in this video was my Creative Arts Professor at USU- and is a big part of the Opera Program in the area. I never went through the temple so I never imagined I would be able to see his “performance”, but y’all made this possible! Thank you! His lectures in class had a similar energy hahaha- this was so interesting for me to finally see. Keep it up!

[@zoekirk1848]

Is it too ironic to say he’d kill it in a stage production/dramatic reading of Paradise Lost?

[@professorbutters]

@@zoekirk1848I teach Milton, and I think he totally would.

[@nerysghemor5781]

The video really made Satan look like the good guy in the whole thing. Or am I misunderstanding the point the video was trying to make?

[@margaretberryman6260]

What a part to play!

[@Mrs.Robinsons]

Temple every week making oaths and covenants before I realized god doesn't bargain. Shit happens maybe their god helps them get through it idk- So could many other things. But you dont negotiate with god.

[@samquinn2769]

i never reached the temple. i checked out mentally when i was 17 and didn’t even get my patriarchal blessing, i’m the only one in my family who didn’t. my folks worked at the temple every saturday and i wondered what they did for 7 hours every weekend. thank you for these videos

[@holdonC]

Very similar situation as I had. Grew up Mormon. My mother was raised in the church and converted my father after they were married and had 2 kids. I was #3 and after I was born we were sealed in the temple as a family. Big deal for my mom since she was not married in the temple. Anyways, raised in church. 1st kid to graduate seminary and stopped regular attendance around 18. Dad worked in temple for few years. I am in my 40’s and am just learning all of this.

[@arc.the.sharky]

i am on a bit of a faith journey myself and haven't been to church consistently for a few months. watching the initiatory video didn't really make me feel any anxiety, but as you introduced the "hidden camera" video i remembered my parents speaking so negatively about the fact that someone had recorded their temple experience and i honestly felt a little nervous about watching it. but hearing you guys say "that's me! that's all of us!" as the intro began REALLY eased my anxiety so i just needed to say that. lol. y'all are great.

[@JordanandMcKay]

I remember hearing stories of temple tech inexplicably working because someone was in there that shouldn’t have been. Problems were promptly resolved when the interloper got up and left. Clearly not the case in these circumstances 😂

[@taylor-sh2hl]

I nearly joined the church when I was in middle/high school. Channels like yours are what make me realize I made the right choice, even 10 years later. Y’all are educating so many with your content and deserve so much praise!

[@samanthagasmire9508]

Absolutely. I almost joined in college and since finding out the truth about the religion I am so glad I called of the baptism, leaving the missionaries stumbling for words.

[@trishmurray7664]

I also almost joined when I was in high school. I wanted to go to BYU…thankfully I saw the light and didn’t.

[@AChickandaDuck]

You dodged a bullet for sure!

[@beab7666]

Hey. I am 18 and mentally left a few months ago. I am PIMO living at home. I know I never went through this stuff but this helps to remind me that I am not crazy for not wanting to do all of this. I am working through all the guilt and shame for not wanting to continue through all of this. Thank you guys so much.

[@JordanandMcKay]

You are definitely not crazy. And you are not alone in those feelings and they are all valid. ❤️ I’m sorry you are going through this - it’s really tough especially while living at home. But remember, the rest of your life is yours and no one (not even your parents!) can force you to live it a certain way eventually. We are sending you all the love!

[@chelseal654]

@@JordanandMcKay are there any resources this person could access to leave if they want to?

[@stainedglassghosts3692]

I recently left myself, best of luck where you are right now! Working through those feelings is difficult but I've discovered I'm far more at peace out than I ever was in.

[@Kwolfpack13]

I’m so glad you’re feeling at peace now. Leaving bring on A LOT of stuff (been gone for 6 years and I still struggle) but life after being Mormon is so awesome and peaceful. And you can in fact still find friends outside of the church that are incredible!

[@AnneHarvey9]

I think this is great material. I studied Mormonism years ago and have always been curious about what takes place inside the temples. My best friend was Mormon and it always sparked my interests and curiosity, but never ever converted. Thank you.

[@michellerector1332]

I left the church when I was 16, so thirty years ago. I left because the church covered up a terrible thing that happened to my best friend. They made it “disappear”, and then she left this world ( which I still believe was not by her own hand and was also a cover up.) So, I never went to the temples after they were dedicated. However, I still felt guilty seeing this, but I couldn’t stop watching either. Thank you both so much for making me feel like I’m not crazy for leaving the church. I am so glad to be able to hear that I’m not the only one who thinks that it is so fucked up! I really appreciate what you are doing. Sending love from Idaho ♥️.

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

I am so sorry for your friend. But thank you for sharing and explaining how deep that education goes. ❤

[@michellerector1332]

@@LizRealGirlBeauty thank you

[@missl1775]

I'm so sorry for your loss.

[@mauramc72]

💜

[@itllbesuzanarchy]

I had a friend who was raised in the Children of God cult. She had been abused in all ways possible and finally left this earth four years ago at her own hands, but really I blame the cult for her death. I'm so sorry for the loss of your best friend.

[@jessajuly5513]

The recording that was playing during the endowment made it feel like a Disney or Universal Studios ride for some reason?? Like when you’re in line for like Tower of Terror or whatever & they play a recording about the background/lore of the ride & the safety instructions. “Mormonism: The Ride. Coming soon to a Temple near you!” 😆

[@JordanandMcKay]

The room doesn’t even move! Refund please!

[@helenap8826]

Definitely got the same vibes 😂

[@jessajuly5513]

@@JordanandMcKay omg they should add that feature. make it sync up with the movie/video thing that plays. with a fog machine and 3D glasses and shit. make high-demand religions fun again! lmao

[@nightowl8548]

Yesssss!

[@lynnbiden5509]

Oh my! I just commented that 😆 totally Disney!

[@giuseppelogiurato5718]

49:28 "... into the lone and dreary world." "It's just Utah." 😂😂😂

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

This video is a masterclass in explaining the Temple Rituals. I don't blame you for leaving. The live chat is interesting and great fun. Your subscribers are the best.

[@JordanandMcKay]

We agree! We love you all!

[@shireecox122]

However and whatever the consequences may be for anyone who reveals what they promised not to reveal of their own free will and choice, right?

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

@@shireecox122 Wait a moment. There is so much secresy in the LDS Church, as happens in so many cults. If members discover that they have been conned, they have every right to speak up. I am shocked at how this "church" lies to its congregants on a daily basis. It rules by fear.

[@lenaalmassy1050]

I recently discovered this channel when a friend of mine and I were a reasonable amount of mixed drinks into a carpet floor conversation (held at normal volume, obviously) concerning our favorite KZbinrs. My partner is ex-Mormon and all of your content is extremely eye opening and informative, even for someone who grew up as an evangelical Christian and is accustomed to high control groups/thought terminating cliches/toxic shaming and purity culture/etc. We've been watching your videos together and he has long stories related to just about every major topic you've mentioned. Thank you for all your do and I'm so glad to be here!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Omg!!! That’s amazing! It’s crazy to hear people call us their favorite KZbinrs. It’s such an honor! ❤️ We are so happy you both are here!!

[@lenaalmassy1050]

@@JordanandMcKay Yay!! I'm sure you both have enough going on right now what with being responsible for a tiny person and working so much, but if you're ever looking for a KZbinr to check out I think you might like Smokey Glow! She does a lot of commentary content and has specifically called out several of the family vloggers you've covered so well. Hope you guys are all good!!!

[@tundramom]

When Mike first posted this I watched the whole thing. I was never "worthy" to go to the temple, thank God! But I just cried watching this. I had beat myself up for years and years because I wasn't "worthy".

[@stacytompkins9274]

You are worthy of compassion, love, and self-determination!

[@moo_jessye]

It makes me so sad that there are actually genuinely kind loving people who are trapped in this situation.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Same. The institution as a whole is to blame for cultivating this indoctrination.

[@raimeyewens7518]

My cousins son became Mormon when he wanted to marry one. Her family hosted their engagement party. I was expecting a bunch of weirdo’s who would try and convert us all lol. They were all the nicest and normal group of people. I was surprised because I had done some research on them before going. I was totally expecting some weird cultish behavior. The only odd thing I saw was pamphlets placed around the house. There was a stack of them in the bathroom 🤷🏻‍♀️😂

[@dollsNcats]

It’s true ! I have never really had a bad experience with a LDS person . Almost everyone is kind . :)

[@annedavies8992]

The Mormons I know are lovely, genuine people. As in life, you get a mix of people, Mormon or not. That’s life as we are all human beings and so far from perfect. Just trying to live as best we can each day at a time! Stop knocking the Mormons- it’s their choice to be one.

[@JordanandMcKay]

@@annedavies8992 not for everyone. Many children born into Mormonism don’t get a choice. They’re coerced into being baptized at 8 and in order to officially leave whenever they’re an adult, they have to go through a formal process to leave. It’s not most Mormon people that are a problem, it’s mormonism and what it turns some of those people into that is.

[@MrsSoapAndClay]

I’ve replayed that moment - “you can leave at any time” since I went through the temple. I should have left. And quite frankly it’s complete garbage that the church doesn’t prep their members for the insanity that is the temple. Maybe not all members, but once you get the temple recommend you should be thoroughly briefed on what to expect.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Rumor has it they’re going to add some more specific aspects of the temple experience in the temple prep curriculum. I’ll believe it when I see it.

[@designerkikiTV]

@@JordanandMcKayI’m in temple class right now and I’ve only learned about the video, celestial room, and questions for temple recommend.

[@AprilBytheBay]

@@designerkikiTVI cannot make your choice for you, but may you have the strength to do what you believe you should. I would watch this three part series to see if you really want to commit to it

[@efrasier1989]

I only ever did the endowment ceremony elsewhere and so when I was in Salt Lake City I thought it would be really cool to do it in the Salt Lake Temple. Nobody warned me that it would be a live performance by geriatric temple workers. I had to keep myself from laughing so many times mostly because it was just awkward and unexpected, but also because it went about as smoothly as you would expect a theatrical production at a nursing home to go 💀💀 I hate that for the first time we don’t get any clue about what’s going to happen except maybe some vague advise that the anointing should not be sexual in anyway (honestly more concerning) but that the rest of the time is like trying to memorize things and follow a dance that everybody else seems to know it’s just such an awkward experience. The whole time I felt like I was the person holding up the line

[@AChickandaDuck]

Haha yes! When I went in Salt Lake the old man who played Satan was extremely… flamboyant! It was amazing 😂

[@Shirafune161]

I have ADHD and anxiety and this feels like some kind of psychological torture to me. I can't imagine sitting though this without squirming in my seat and panicking, especially considering all the social pressure and stuff. Even watching this video made me uncomfortable, I can't imagine having to actually take part in this.

[@JordanandMcKay]

The first little bit with the cinematic stuff can be interesting. Depending on which version of the video you got, the creation sequence was like a high budget Nat Geo film. I think it's just a slideshow now so I can imagine that all took a big hit on being interesting.

[@Shirafune161]

@@JordanandMcKay oh yeah, I can see myself being into it at first. It's just that personally, I always need extra stimulation when I'm watching/listening to something, plus the anxiety of not knowing what's next, trying to not be a nuisance, not being sure if how much of it was I meant to memorize etc etc. I can see myself being so exhausted by the end of just the movie part that I would just be going through the motions and forgetting most of it the moment I stepped out of the Temple. It reminds me of the test I did as a part of my ADHD evaluation. I had a little ball put on my forehead that tracked my head movements and I had to press a button every time I saw two identical shapes flash on the computer screen, and I had to do it in a complete silence for 20 minutes straight. It was kind of fun at first, but the longer It went on, the more mistakes I've made and thae harder it was for me to concentrate (I kept looking at a dent in the wall, noticing the traffic noises and remembering some random jokes etc). 20 minutes later I was done, but I was so exhausted that I had to get a cab home and take a good nap afterwards x)

[@Sarah-re7cg]

I have adhd too and was raised Catholic (am no longer, haven’t been for a long time) and sitting in mass was fucking awful. This definitely reminds me of it lol

[@Plainvanillababe]

I’m recently diagnosed autistic and watching this is bringing up so many horrible feelings that I remember feeling the first time I went through. I vaguely remember wanting to run out and never returning. It all felt very creepy and unnatural.

[@margaretberryman6260]

I also have anxiety (and depression) - under control, thankfully. I can certainly understand Jordan. Did they ever discover why the anaesthetic didn't work for her during her C-section? It sounds as if stopping her medication earlier, then all the massive doses in the theatre, may explain some of it, possibly. I was totally bewildered by why it didn't help her.

[@kitkattbarr]

Seeing the difference between this interpretation of scripture and Judaism is crazy. The way they ignore certain things and then add in others. Thank you so much for sharing! Also I can’t get over the pronunciation of Elohim

[@jennifersalvati2800]

ok I'm dying laughing at myself because I was like "What the heck does L.O.M. stand for?" 🤦‍♀🤷‍♀

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

Driving me crazy too!

[@shireecox122]

Modern revelation

[@blizar8245]

@@shireecox122 yeah ok😂

[@ashleydanielson3222]

The pronunciation bothered me too. They added a lot to the story so I guess it makes sense that they wouldn’t know how to say Elohim.

[@kellykranz7652]

Thank you for this video. I stopped going to the church at 16 because my boyfriend was killed and I talked to the bishop. He said that my boyfriend was already married in heaven and was having spiritual babies. So, I quit the church. I never felt like returning because I never felt that It was true. I only was sealed to my parents when I was a baby. I spent 25 years being a single parent and I didn’t feel that I fit in with the church. With your videos I see what I’m not missing in my life. When my parents died I threw away the names that were given to them.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Oh my god I am so sorry. I cannot even imagine how that must have felt. That bishop should be ashamed. I am so glad you left though. I am sending you so much love!

[@kellykranz7652]

@@JordanandMcKay thank you

[@lynnbiden5509]

What? Goodness this is hilarious, I’m learning a lot!

[@dollsNcats]

OMG I just gasped out loud at the boyfriend thing . The stuff some bishops say makes me so sick

[@kellykranz7652]

@@dollsNcats I know. I like the church but I learned more about Joseph Smith than Jesus.

[@richandkimallen4979]

Knowledge is power. You honestly explain your views and let people know why you feel this way. I believe all religions should have people like you to at least question.Regardless of if you believe or not.

[@JordanandMcKay]

That’s exactly how we feel too. Thank you for being here!

[@demetreeuh]

I get so elated when you post! Such an interesting take, and your comedic genius input adds so much value. Keep it up you two!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Aww! So kind! Thank you! ❤️❤️

[@KrystalPancakes]

I am so late but wanted so say Hey y'all and a HUGE THANK YOU for including CC at upload! I rely on it and appreciate when it is included! Sending love from Ohio!

[@JordanandMcKay]

We love you Krystal! You’re the best!

[@breannanichols5584]

I wasn't Mormon, but I grew up in a different cult and this is all very interesting to me. Even the vibe of the video brought up a lot of feelings from the past that I can't quite put my finger on. I just feel uneasy. Thank you guys for being so open and honest.

[@JordanandMcKay]

I totally feel that. When I went through the first time, it was so uncomfortable and I just felt off! It's such a gross experience.

[@piperarcher9706]

For me that off feeling is akin to being violated.

[@shireecox122]

Mormonism, if you want to call it that, is a religion. It’s just like any other religion with its rights, and ordinances. It’s not a cult. Anyone can come and go as they please. It all depends on how you want to live your life.

[@bluester7177]

@@shireecox122 It is a cult, like every other religion, the pejorative meaning is a 19th century thing and mostly an English language development related to American history, in Latin derived languages the cult equivalent "culto" (Italian, Spanish and Portuguese) literally means adoration and that's the original meaning in English too, when you go to church, you're going to a cult.

[@amywalker3647]

@@shireecox122 it’s a cult.

[@meganloehr2823]

Yessss, shout-out to Wes for getting recognized for his hard work. 🤪 But for real though- thank you guys for another great video, I could literally listen to y’all for hours. I am so proud of how much more confident y’all seem to be about spreading the truth, I can really see growth from your previous videos. ❤️

[@sharithompson1672]

When I was a kid nobody would ever tell me what happened when you went to the temple. They said it was sacred. I took that as a sacred secret that I wasn’t worthy of hearing. I never made it past the visitors center. Always wondered about that. Edit: after watching this through, I think I understand why they might not have thought I was a good candidate. I actually would have stood up, when they said I could raise my hand if I didn’t wanna do this, and walked out without another word (or maybe run out screaming in terror?)

[@davidjanbaz7728]

The whole Mormon experience is to condition you so you believe the temple rituals are of God and true! Obviously Christians know they aren't and keeping them secret has helped the church grow because the missionaries don't tell you anything about the temple: once in the church then you are indoctrinated to believe in the temple.

[@sharithompson1672]

@@davidjanbaz7728 I just watched their video on washing and anointing and I don’t care what kind of repercussions, I’d have left immediately (and loudly). When I was a teen we all had to talk to the bishop to get a recommendation and he asked what I thought to be inappropriate questions, coming from a grown-ass man to a young girl and I said so. The next Sunday it was announced in open church that I was denied a temple recommend. I stood up and left (my family followed me) and I never went back. Always wondered why the bishop has to make such a big, public, humiliating deal of it. After that video about the washing, it was crystal clear. He was sending a message to the other unsuspecting teens that “one does not say no or they will be humiliated and “punished” very publicly. Otherwise what might happen if another girl didn’t like the idea of her nude body being groped during their “ritual” and thought “if she said no then I can too”? Gotta put a stop to that possibility I guess. 🤔

[@shireecox122]

There ya go then. Choice is an option. Do cults give you an option?

[@sharithompson1672]

Shiree Cox yes, most do. But the lack of “choice” is not an element in the definition of a cult.

[@rnr5682]

Yes. You go girl!​@@sharithompson1672

[@IraLuxuria]

I am CACKLING because the interaction with the movie makes me immediately think of the audience participation screenings of Rocky Horror and The Room where people dress up and do callbacks and throw stuff at the screen 😂😂😂 like I'm just imagining you all being instructed to take a jump to the left and a step to the riiiiight 👄

[@LauraJayne64]

I thought the same thing!!! Audience participation religion

[@letsstartadialogueeh7692]

They're both cult favorites!

[@lindsaybear722]

I can’t imagine being in my late teens/ early 20s and looking at my mother asking her what would happen in the temple and having her tell me nothing. As a person with anxiety this whole thing would be debilitating! How can families do that to their children?

[@shireecox122]

My grandparents worked in the temple for over 20 years. My grandma told me everything I needed to know without revealing anything she wasn’t supposed to. I went with total trust that she would never lie to me, and I was right. I love the Temple!

[@blizar8245]

@@shireecox122 fucking sheep how about you try thinking for yourself sometime

[@raigenhuss7030]

@@shireecox122the fact that Joseph Smith stole all of the rituals from other religions doesn’t bother you? The baptizing of dead people who didn’t consent to being baptized doesn’t bother you?

[@shireecox122]

@@raigenhuss7030 they can still choose on the other side.

[@raigenhuss7030]

@@shireecox122 cool cool. How about the stealing of the rituals and the obvious sexism?

[@ctrockers]

I’m not Mormon but I find this so interesting, yet so incredibly sad. You guys are doing a great thing, keep doing amazing work :)

[@shireecox122]

What’s sad is that you’re only getting one side of it. You’re not hearing the whole story or seeing the true picture.

[@stillwatersrundeep777]

@Tara I think you know the whole story and picture so that's why you see it as sad. Me too. I know some very intelligent and kind Mormon women and wonder why in the heck do they believe in all this stuff.

[@brainmaze3634]

@@shireecox122 this isn’t for you..

[@Nicole-ij3mz]

Please don’t take this the wrong way!! I love listening to podcasts/podcast-style KZbin videos at night because staring at the screen makes me fall asleep; I just had a laparoscopy on Tuesday and have to sleep in a chair for the time being and your long-form videos have helped me SO much. Your content is by no means boring, the set-up and format of your content has just been absolutely ideal for helping me sleep. Plus I get to rewatch it during the day and listen to people other than my parents and be distracted from the pain. Thank you 🥺

[@JordanandMcKay]

Not allowed! You can’t just listen to us in the way you see fit!!

[@Burningheartcelosia]

Lol, the reply. Yes agree. I love their voices and I play to fall asleep often but always watch during the day too!

[@MixitMcGee]

I remember getting sealed in the temple and the whole time I was thinking this is strange and I don’t wanna do this ! So many mixed feelings, growing up in the church you’re told your whole like it’s what you’re supposed to do so you just do it … I truly wanted to just run out of there, but knew I couldn’t, so glad to have left the church I am so much happier now,

[@JordanandMcKay]

So glad to hear that you are out and happy!

[@shireecox122]

You shouldn’t have done it if you didn’t feel ready. That’s why there’s a choice to say no. No one is forced to go through the Temple. If you were forced, it wasn’t by anyone in the Temple. That’s not it’s purpose.

[@MixitMcGee]

@@shireecox122 no I was never forced by anyone in the temple , of course you can always say no but growing up Mormon you’re pretty much groomed from the get go that it’s what you have to do in order to be happy and make it to the celestial kingdom, brainwashing

[@TheSamjane4]

@@shireecox122There is no choice. No one is going to get up in front of all those people and walk out and suffer the cultural consequences. Once you are there and you have gone through the endowment you feel trapped…like you have no choice but to go through with it or you will be condemned

[@ltucker8182]

I just read the Bible, Pray, and attend a non denominational church…. Such an amazing feeling!

[@Binks584]

These videos are so enlightening to me- I left the church at 18 right before I was supposed to go on a mission so I never went through the temple as an adult. I was molly mormon my whole life and never knew this stuff! Crazy- it’s like a whole different religion once you get your endowments. Keep up the good work 👍

[@JordanandMcKay]

I’m so glad you left before it had to inflict any more harm! ❤️

[@shireecox122]

And you may still not know the truth.

[@blizar8245]

@@shireecox122lmao says the sheep

[@danicapaulos2347]

YALL ARE HILARIOUS!!! I was raised Mormon and left before making it to the temple. Thanks so much for sharing what I missed out on. I am so glad I left. This is FASCINATING. I am understanding my TBM family more now…. Satan rules this world?? Damn. Mormons are actually so superstitious and they don’t even know it.

[@emiliadavis8247]

I left the Mormon church numerous years ago but am a born again Christian and we don't understand it til Christ's return, but He says that Satan is the prince of this world. That is why there is so much evil. But he and his legions will be destroyed in the end.

[@kathrynneuman1079]

I went to Jr high and high school with a lot of mormon kids back in the 90s, and it left a major impression on me. I was friends with some of them, and at least one of them struggled, HARD, with his feelings about wanting to leave. I see now that he was dealing with a lot of trauma that I, basically raised atheist, just didn't understand at the time. I've always been curious about many things as a result of knowing all those kids, and these videos are answering so many questions for me. I'm so glad that kids nowadays have better resources like you two. Keep up the great work.

[@travelswithblindcane]

Thank you so much for this. I'm not involved with the church or any religion in any way, but I'm a historian and the role that these institutions have played in society and the effects on parishioners' mental health has obviously been huge. Getting this much of a first hand look into the weirdness of things is really fascinating, but I'm so sorry you both had to grow up being taught that this was completely normal and the way things are supposed to be. I don't begrudge anyone having faith, but things like this go so far beyond simple faith that it's just crazy. Thanks for your honesty and your opinions about it, this is going to be a really interesting series and I hope it's not too difficult to talk about

[@bad2bone]

Thank you for being so candid in your videos and fielding hate comments with such humor!! You guys are awesome 👏🏾

[@annah2339]

1:03:32 evangelical christianity is actually very similar in that aspect, i resonate heavily with this, satan’s influence was always a huuuge topic of conversation growing up in church and at home. it was so scary to be on the receiving end of that conversation.

[@beato1733]

My whole family are still very strong mormons and watching you guys it keeps me motivated that I'm doing the right thing! Thanks for the uploads!

[@leahtheanimationfan40]

I never went through the endowment but I have family members who are still very strong in the church and after watching this I really wonder "WHY?"

[@solitairesmith3553]

I never went to the temple. I was NEVER TAUGHT when I got baptized as a convert all of this stuff. After I got baptized I tried asking about some of the things mormans believe and they would tell me to just "pray " about it. Like if you don't get an answer God doesn't want you. I. Am so glad that you guys are doing this. Honesty is best. You guys left just about the time I did. And 2 others. ( they use my phone to watch your videos. ) You guys are AWESOME I finally got off work so I could watch. It's 3 am

[@JordanandMcKay]

Of course… you should have hit them with “Joseph didn’t like God’s answer about showing Lucy Harris the Book of Mormon manuscript and he asked until god gave in, why can’t I?”

[@mackenzieb2218]

the hidden camera video was the first thing I ever saw about mormonism when I was in high school. super super cool you guys are breaking it down for us! it's still as weird and creepy watching it in your video as it was watching the video for the first time

[@JordanandMcKay]

Definitely helps to add some context. Well, it doesn’t really _help_ but… yeah.

[@shireecox122]

What weird and creepy is someone with a temple recommend sneaking a camera in the temple and filming the ceremony. That someone broke their covenants big time.

[@brainmaze3634]

@@shireecox122 are you a pissed off Mormon?

[@janinaschmaedeke6264]

Interpreting the story of Adam and Eve in such a way that life or at least consciousness or the "soul" enters the body at first breath is a concept which is common to most streams of Judaism. Jordan's observation that the relevant passage could indicate or at least be interpreted as such that life begins at birth is thus actually correct.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Oooh interesting! I didn’t know that! I am encouraged to hear that.

[@blackalien6873]

Yes. I have worked for devout Jews who see no problem with abortion because of this idea that life begins at birth.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

@@JordanandMcKay that is based on not having medical care in the O.T. and the Bible reflects that reality. We now know the baby is alive and not part of the mothers body: the baby has a different DNA . Science confirms this along with religion. The idea that the baby isn't a person unless it passes through the birth canal is bad Science and religion. The Bible was written for the time of the people's understanding and technology : our technology and understanding has progressd : live in the 21st century guys.

[@Ameliamaemay1990]

@@davidjanbaz7728 wait so because something has a different DNA it is “alive” like a plant? Bc if we’re hanging our hats on the DNA thing you are killing life when you eat plants and obviously animals. But also….are you trying to talk theology too? I’m confused bc you said along with religion. So are you also discounting the soul entering the body through breath?

[@blackalien6873]

@@davidjanbaz7728 You don't gaf about science, because you would understand that a fetus doesn't have sentience before the 24th-27th week of pregnancy.

[@boohound24]

My parents went to a group dinner with people from their Stake and this "Satan" was the guest of honor. My mom was awe struck. 🤣

[@annaclark5196]

I think it is important to note that I felt like I was locked into completing the ceremony because of the initiatories I had done. I already had my new name and so I was afraid of what would happen if I didn't go through the endowment ceremony... They don't give you an opt out with initiatories either.

[@JordanandMcKay]

This is a VERY good point! They don’t give you an out with the initiatories.

[@taylorsimants6241]

As someone who is a TST member, this information is enlightening to me. I see why the Mormons are fearful. It's truly Indoctrination that thrives from their fears. I am happy to see ex Mormons thriving and helping others. Yall rock and I'm happy for the education to better understand others.

[@shireecox122]

I promise you, dear, it’s not the active, believing, faithful LDS who it’s fear.

[@bluexephosfan970]

TST? The satanic temple?

[@alexshaw8167]

I love the way you guys call out the rude commenters 😂 (and that time they apologized and you publicly accepted their apology, that was great too)

[@JordanandMcKay]

It seemed like he needed attention so we are giving it to him 😌

[@kaclama]

I don't know why, of all the weird stuff, the fact that they use a recording strikes me as EXTRA weird. So robot-y and inhuman. More like an airplane safety demo than an actual meaningful experience.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Some of the other iterations of the movie were accompanied by less monotone narrations.

[@shireecox122]

Did you know, the temple ceremony used to be done like a play? It had actual actors. It still is done that way in a few temples but not for much longer. Did you also know that this script is used in many different countries in many different languages? This is why it’s done in the way it is.

[@sydney.mp4]

i've always thought it's interesting how adam and eve were nude until eve ate the apple and it was a bad thing they covered themselves yet now a bare shoulder - let alone "real" nudity - is a massive sin and so scandalous (and this goes for many bible-based religions). i know there are more stories after adam and eve but the complete 180 is wild.

[@JordanandMcKay]

I always thought this too!

[@shireecox122]

Nudity isn’t the issue. Hating our bodies is.

[@janiscrammond7046]

Well done to both of you, imparting knowledge for us. Keep it going, your attitude and humour is amazing. Keep safe

[@JordanandMcKay]

Thank you!! ❤️

[@elle2427]

hahaha i laughed out loud at “tomato tomato tomato” thanks for putting out these long videos, they make my day and they’re super informative!

[@Mandy_White82]

Satan in one is Corbin Allred who was in Robinhood Men in Tights as the kid running through the Forrest… This Satan is Michael Ballam and was the temple movie I watched. His flair for drama made me and my best friend full blown giggle a couple of times. I was lucky with my escort, she prepared me really well as to what I was going to experience. It has been amazing that we have had each other as we have left the church.

[@eustacia03]

The reason people are mad you're giving out the "signs and tokens" is because they want to be part of the exclusive god club. The handshakes only mean something to them if they know that they have it and other people don't. It's about being able to lord over others as a superior person.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Very well said!!

[@shireecox122]

Nope

[@JordanandMcKay]

@@shireecox122 yup

[@laurapeter3857]

It’s the same as being in a fraternity, or sorority or a Freemason. In fact Mormonism is 1/3 bastardized version of Christianity, 1/3 Freemasonry and 1/3 Scientology.

[@bluegrassgirl2972]

I'm not Mormon, heard stuff through the yrs & had visits by their missionaries; your discussions help put pieces together for me. Thanks!

[@zedproductions8467]

"That'll do Donkey, That'll do." -Shrek in the Mormon temple 2022

[@JordanandMcKay]

“This is my swamp in the line and dreary world”

[@hutchyyy6444]

I lost it at Satan's "good morning, gentlemen!" when he sees Peter, James and John 🤣🤣

[@JordanandMcKay]

lmao it's so awkward!

[@stainedglassghosts3692]

I remember when I first discovered what garments were and that to complete the Endowment I'd have to commit myself to wearing them- and immediately, I knew I'd never go through with it. In my head, the thought of secretly wearing this uncanny devotion to a faith- literally dedicating my body to them- was such an uncomfortable notion to me. I think that's also what started my active falling out of faith. It was a slow trickle, but after that moment it felt like a downpour. I appreciate the opportunity to see what's beyond all the secrecy- if I had to witness this in person, so much of this would have been so horrifying to me. The brazen declaring that women HAVE to heed their husbands as they're their _sole_ contact to God? Nightmare fuel.

[@shireecox122]

I love my garments. They are soft and silky against my skin. I never have panty lines. I also love the feeling of having that extra layer of protection.

[@ivymarie6681]

This felt like a Disneyland ride but a lot less fun lol… super interesting

[@esthekatie]

Lol right? This is the rejected haunted mansion preshow

[@emilybruh131]

I was introduced to Mormonism as a kid about 10. My siblings didn’t really take church seriously ever so when I was baptized at 13 I had no idea what that even meant. I had been baptized before from other religions but I had no idea how deep Mormonism went. The elders hook you in with the normal non shady stuff of the religion then slowly I realized that was the tip of the iceberg. I remember not being able to grasp the celestial planets thing or how it ties into god. When I started to question it they sat me down in my living room and man from our church lectured me about love having no meaning without the lds church and god. That love was only chemical reactions in your brain when you chose not to believe in the church and that it only has a deeper meaning when you add religion god and faith into the mix. Freaked me out. Now I’m constantly baffled at how unaware of how deep the rabbit hole went with Mormonism. Didn’t even know that there was an entirely different sect of it all called the flds.

[@piperarcher9706]

Being exmormon... having left officially twoish years ago I didn't think this video would be hard for me to push play on. I was a missionary, I was sealed, and I was a dutiful doubt doubter for so long but that feels like someone else's life now. I have friends and family to joke about mormonism with but it's hard to look back and sit with all the bullshit. I'm glad that we got a lawyer to help remove our records and that we get to heal and live our lives in peace, but this stuff is still so hard. I'm grateful for your laughter and humor, but I still feel so violated looking back.

[@7BearSarah]

My husband called me while I was watching this and I was explaining the gist to him and he was like "this is nuts. How do people not just walk out?" No but really. The movie felt so surreal. Like I cannot believe it is a real part if an actual religion. I just can't wrap my head around that.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Isn’t it nuts?! Like I felt weird about it when I went through for sure (and we’ll talk about that next video). But even by that point you’re so indoctrinated that people are like oh this must be okay then??? It’s weird.

[@7BearSarah]

@@JordanandMcKay it feels like a Monty Python sketch to me for some reason. I kept waiting for the joke

[@7BearSarah]

@@JordanandMcKay i also find the secretive nature of everything extremely telling. Its like they know its bizarre and wrong

[@frederikac.5153]

I was raised to be a critical thinker and to have self determination. I grew up a Protestant Christian in Europe in the 70's, and there were lots of hippy movements and cults around. But I think that I would have burst out laughing in disbelief during the endowment ceremony!

[@virginiadelrio3665]

Ohh but sadly it is, I was born into the religion and I only got the guts to leave 45 years later.

[@ivysweets]

You guys were not kidding! This is wild and has no basis in anything remotely religious!. If I didn’t know that the LDS church was a cult, I do now! Lol this stuff is bananas and has nothing at all to do with God. I am glad that you both were able to break the cycle!

[@othersheep5491]

Theoretically, every question about the gospel can be and is answered in the temple ceremony. So they say. I never liked going, so I’m gonna watch every one of your videos on the temple one bajillion times, and see if I can finally understand! Love you guys!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Theoretically 😇

[@lizh4715]

I wish I had the courage to send your channel to my Mormon brother and adult nephew (I’m not, he converted in adulthood) but I fear they’d completely break contact if I tried. Either way, your story and channel encourages me so thank you. Plus you two are awesome and I just enjoy you both!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Aw, thank you so much! Don't give up hope! Sometimes if they know you're supportive and will listen to them they might come to you if they ever start doubting.

[@lizh4715]

@@JordanandMcKay thank you. I hope so

[@shireecox122]

I think you should send it, and ask them what they think. They may give you some good insight that you’re not getting from this channel.

[@kc_lee_ann]

I came from part two - was told to come back here - now being told to go another video back - I feel like I’m on a scavenger hunt 😂 love it

[@anjuschka8735]

Thank you so much for this video. I follow your content and post-mormon content for a long time, as I am interested in understanding high demand religions. I grew up atheist and Satan and sin are just words for me. But experiencing this temple ceremony with you, I got shivers and I could feel how the social pressure of being worthy, the inflicted emotions and the indoctrination would totally get me - just a matter of time. I find it very educative and helpful. Thank you for your courage to speak up!!

[@cassandratemple45]

I'm so glad to have found you guys. I was researching my family a few years ago and found out one of my great-great-great (or whatever) uncle Jeremiah Bingham was one of the original Mormons. Apparently he was tight with Joseph Smith and often wrestled with him in the town square of Nauvoo (LOL). After Joseph Smith died he went west to Utah and had 5 wives. I'd always heard that Mormonism was weird, but it wasn't until learning that that I took a deep dive into everything Ex-Mormon. I love watching you guys and always look forward to new episodes!

[@texasgina]

I have a lot of Mormon relatives and my grandpa his like great grandma or great great grandma was a Mormon pioneer her name was Mary field

[@shireecox122]

That’s so awesome about you great X whatever grandfather. Now that you’ve learned all the x Mormon stuff , maybe it’s time to search the real Mormon stuff. I’d suggest looking up the local missionaries, ask for a Book of Mormon, and attend a sacrament meeting. You might feel the same as you do now, but maybe you may feel something different.

[@cassandratemple45]

@@shireecox122 Lol, no.

[@Blue-Mondays]

Even though I went to the temple 2x, I could not take it all in and I believe that I have such a limited memory of the experience because I was in mild shock. Watching this is almost like seeing it all for the first time. I’ve always been so disturbed by the fact that I had very little memory of what happened while in the temple. Thank you for this, it is just one more healing aspect of my post LDS journey. You’re the best!

[@Megh2D]

We used to joke about Catholic mass it was choreographed "stand up, sit down, fight, fight, fight" (like the ol' sports cheer goes), but this is BEYOND.

[@laurenthomas7464]

i was just thinking this!!! i thought some of the catholic sacraments are wild but this is next level

[@dollsNcats]

I always say “we get a whole work out with our prayers “ 🤣

[@ChoppedLiver]

I watched your last video right before going to sleep, and had a Spooky Mormon Hell Dream that I was the only nonmo on earth and felt it was my duty to sabotage their works ... but nothing I did made any difference 😖. I'm definitely watching something else after this and before bedtime! (P.S.: Love you guys!)

[@JordanandMcKay]

Lmao noooo! Weird Mormon dreams are the worst. I still have them from time to time! 😂

[@annatheinnotz4901]

I just found your channel...the thumbnail got my attention, but just listening for a couple of minutes, you are totally my kinda people 😅❤ You guys are adorable 🥰😍

[@JordanandMcKay]

Welcome!

[@supergran62]

I am concerned about how obvious it is that some of this video triggered Jordan. I wanted to give you such a big hug and tell you it was OK. I found it so confronting to imagine going though this ceremony myself, but then I have the luxury of advanced age and much lived experience. Please be gentle with yourselves.

[@jadeharley7190]

If either of you see this comment, please listen to the person above. It can be so hard to go recount stuff even if you try to stay technical. Us, the people watching your videos, want you to be healthy

[@JordanandMcKay]

Aw. Thank you so much! A lot of this is super triggering. I hated it the first time I went through cause I knew something wasn’t right. So I’m still working through that. But I want other people to know they’re not alone if they feel that way! ❤️❤️

[@wallmemaybe]

Okay, I'm gonna get serious for a moment, but just wanted to say thank you for making these videos. Even though there's a comical aspect to it, I'm sure this brings back not so fun memories to you both, and I really appreciate it that you guys are doing this to inform people and bring awareness

[@JordanandMcKay]

Thank you 🥺 we know it’s not anything groundbreaking or new but we feel it’s important that people who have been there can maybe feel like they’re not crazy for not being there anymore and those who never have, can empathize with some of the stuff we all were put through.

[@amberatartimec2564]

😊

[@spunkycat6144]

I wish I had seen this channel before I joined the church but I don't think ya'll were out of gradeschool yet. I am really glad ya'll met and are making these videos. It actually keeps me from returned to the church like a love sick dog. It reminds me of the many reasons why I left in the first place.

[@Kalina1982]

Y’all are so awesome! Thank you for explaining this all to us! I used to live in Arizona and there were many Mormons I encountered there. I knew people thought Mormons were weird but I never knew why. Now I know 😂🤣 Congratulations on getting the hell out of that cult. I can only imagine how hard it was to walk away from everyone and everything you knew. You are both very inspiring. Sending y’all big hugs!

[@bridgetharrison103]

I really appreciate you breaking this video down and explaining everything. I seen this video a couple years ago and thought this is really strange. And omg you kneel so long that you can possibly pass out goodness gracious!

[@scoutlaceharding]

I really love how clear you two are that your issue is with the Mormon church, not Mormons. When discussing any high control group, I think it's important not to devolve into insulting the intelligence of people who have been manipulated by an expertly honed system. Nobody is immune to all manipulation tactics. Anybody can experience abuse.

[@hannabanana7513]

The video they show reminds of the ones at museums that you sit and watch not because it’s interesting but because you want a break from standing and reading

[@Stinkyslinky195]

I've been checking KZbin for this part 2 every day since the first part! You guys are awesome

[@clytemnestra]

Been waiting for this video to drop! Can’t wait for the rest of the series

[@thesepsis1607]

As a screenwriter it is hard not to start crying at this movie

[@JordanandMcKay]

Maybe we can get in on a class action lawsuit for damages owed

[@shayliebird942]

I can confirm that the first part of the endowment was changed to be "less sexist." When I last went (late 2019), the video was changed to have Eve covenant with God directly instead of covenanting to Adam. They also took out the women's becoming "priestesses unto their husbands" language. Obviously, they couldn't go back and film with the og actors, so the videos were slideshows of shots from the film with voiceovers. It actually cut out like 15 minutes of run time, which was great. Also, I don't know why, but they took out switching the robes from the left shoulder to the right. Maybe to speed it up?

[@virginiadelrio3665]

Yes, I remember my hardcore Mormon friend couldn't believe the changes that last time I went, I was mentally already gone and I find the changes so predictable to the times the church was living (feminism for the most part) they have to adapt or they'll keep loosing people. That's how I see it.

[@sarvolkskaya]

Oh I’m hyped for this

[@montrealderogatory]

I'm really glad you guys are making this. I left the church before I went all the way through the temple, and my parents, like good mormons, were the opposite of transparent with it. My mom did give me white slippers to wear in hopes that I would make it through. She still hopes tbh

[@TrueCrimeUnVeiled.]

My nose always starts itching whenever I film. Every. Single. Time! Also, perfect timing! I get asked about the temple all the time but I never went through so it’s nice to be able to send peeps here! ❤️

[@JordanandMcKay]

Awesome! We like everyone to have the opportunity to see it in a less harsh environment lol

[@Hannah-tb7wv]

Just came across your channel and have been binge watching your channel! Y’all are the so eloquent and respectful! I was born and raised in Utah I didn’t grow up Mormon but participated in church activities and went to church with my Grandma every so often! I am an inactive convert (I was 22 when I converted) hopefully someday soon I will get my records removed!

[@nekonoai]

Most of this seems so monotone and droning... It feels like you're being hypnotized.

[@wen8013]

Just found your channel. Really enjoy you guys being so honest and open. Thanks.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Thanks for watching!

[@Sophia-fl9zr]

Never change your intro song pls. Always puts me in a happy mood!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Might change the visual, don’t plan on changing the audio.

[@missl1775]

You've probably helped so many Mormon teenagers who were already on the fence and secretly doing research about Mormonism and if they wanted to move forward. I'm not one of them, I'm watching these partly out of curiosity and partly so I can better understand the disaster cult they escaped, but thank you so much. Thank you for giving people a little bit more of a choice.

[@thisrhymeisacrime]

Keep up the good work. I check everyday for you two on Spotify. You’re my favorite podcasters!!!

[@emilym1854]

I started listening to this on Apple podcast, intrigued by your descriptions, I switched to my phone, until I got home and put you up on the TV lol I love a long video!!

[@brainmaze3634]

I’m 20mins from the temple in Nahvoo, IL and stayed away from Mormons until my daughter had a baby and her baby daddy’s adopted parents are mormom and the whole family and he ran away when he was 14 and just again started talking to his parents again… long story short I have a feeling his parents will push my grandson to be mormon but I am not sure because I know nothing about Mormons so trying to learn… im secretly so far terrified..

[@christopher3d475]

When I was a kid, my parents adopted one of my brothers. They did the sealing in the SLC temple, and they allowed the entire family to go in and be part of it. I remember walking around the corner of some corridor and seeing my dad in full temple drag as I call it, and being shocked. I was maybe 12 or 13yo and just couldn't grasp the weirdness of the whole getup.

[@lauramacstar9277]

Thanks!

[@JordanandMcKay]

No problem!

[@annekennedy5781]

I grew up in the church and absolutely LOATHED youth trips to do baptisms for the dead because you weren't allowed to where a bra or underwear under the white jumpsuit and then having to be WET (in white) around people I didn't know. My parents wouldn't explain anything that happened beyond that cause covenants they took to keep things secret. As an adult, the pressure ratcheted up to get my endowments done. I was basically of the mindset that I was not comfortable going into a secretive environment, with strangers, having to be forced to be in some state of undress or be in clothing I'm not comfortable in, making ETERNAL covenants that I was not informed about ahead of time and that I have not had time to consider, and then don uncomfortable filmy, itchy and completely unflattering garments that I have to wear at ALL TIMES....the answer in my heart was a big whopping FUCK NO.

[@chipmunk718]

i don't have any personal experience with mormonism or know anyone who does, but i'm fascinated by this topic and love watching u guys lol

[@isabelateixeira3713]

Watching this as a former SDA and current mainline protestant is so wild lol. I thought SDA was already insanely weird but I’ll give it to y’all, this is a lot weirder. Plus the fact that 99% of this isn’t in the bible would give severe whiplash to anyone remotely familiar with sola scriptura 🥴

[@nerysghemor5781]

Ha, yeah, for real. I’m a Methodist and the amounts of WTH???? I had here were wild.