Do Mormons Actually Baptize The Dead? Another Unethical Mormon Temple Ritual

[@VIVI-hs8vr]

I’m not an ex Mormon, not even religious, never have been, and for some reason I am obsessed with your videos! I literally play them in the background whenever I do anything. You guys have such pleasant personalities and your interesting to listen to! Love the videos!

[@stephaniejelnicky7944]

Lol I feel the same, I just find it interesting and I feel like J&mk are so chill and love having them on while I cool and stuff

[@Tahra.xoxoxo]

Same! Also I love their/your relationship! So nice to see how close and solid your relationship seems despite a start in a tricky context. Love u guys. U should totally keep going and expanding. Your views are always on point 👉

[@captain7290]

Hey vivi, I've been a mormon for about 3 years so I can speak with a degree of experience. DON'T GET SUCKERED. These mormon teachings sound harmless but consider where they have come from. If you want a no B.S. on the Christian faith I HIGHLY recommend a book "The Great Controversy". It's basically a brief history of the Christian faith. God bless and be careful.

[@wednesdaywilloww]

⁠​⁠hi @@captain7290, i was a mormon for 20 years so i think i can speak with a bit more experience. DONT BE SUCKERED. them disagreeing with you doesn’t hurt you. chill out.

[@nancyroth4828]

I live in Utah and was baptized into the Mormon church. So I have been exposed to this "CULT" all of my life. I did participate in a baptism for the dead. It really bothered me because if the dead people wanted to be baptized into the mormon church they would have done it before they passed away. I left the "CULT" shortly after this. This is quite disturbing.

[@m.michellel.newbold9036]

Not everyone in this life had the opportunity to hear the gospel and this gives them that opportunity to accept or reject the gospel.

[@shannonoday9405]

If you haven’t already, McKay should make a video talking about the ways the mormons curate the information missionaries give people during their mission. Like how explicitly were you told to avoid the baptizing the dead parts

[@JordanandMcKay]

This is a great idea!!

[@quantumoracles]

💯 would love to see this. Also, I think a deep dive into the MTC experience and how they brainwash young men and women to commit 18 or 24 months if their lives to "preaching the gospel" would be good content. I remember a lot of the MTC only talks and experiences being more intense than traditional content. The way they bring those young people in and build this false reality of the size of the church's global influence was particularly intriguing to me. I served a foreign mission and spent 2 months in that prison in salt lake. It truly felt like a prison with fencing around the entire compound.

[@lisab6547]

I would really like to see a video on this too 👍👍

[@monstertoy4620]

Omg👀 Is this legal!??? I bet the Mormons have Mormons Lawyers

[@dianaendo1742]

They sure do, Kirton McConkie.

[@ashleymay9173]

I remember doing this when I was TWELVE and not understanding what we were doing until I was much older… so scary to think the church has children doing their bidding without informing them properly.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Exactly why they need people to be born in the church, indoctrination works best on malleable minds.

[@moo_jessye]

SAME! I remember being freshly baptized at 12 because I was in foster care and I remember doing baptisms for the dead. Still till this day I know zero about it because I never went back to church after the age of 14.

[@sydney.mp4]

i immediately thought of all the terrible people (like hitler) that could be baptized through children just because the child didn't even know who the person was :\

[@mylesmarkson1686]

All I remember thinking was "Holy shit. We're in a cult!"

[@beelzebabe5112]

@@sydney.mp4 that absolutely ✨DISGUSTS✨ me because I think we all know how (highly) likely this is to happen especially with all the book burners in the world…🤬🤬🤬

[@Kayin2626]

I remember hearing some about baptisms for the dead back in high school from a friend that was Mormon and I thought it was weird then. I loved this deep dive. Please continue this series into the rest of the ordinances!

[@carolynmcmahon5083]

Yes they do. I grew up as a Mormon. I walked away when I was 16. I still have my list of names that I baptized in the Oakland Temple in 1978.

[@margyritchie2702]

​@@carolynmcmahon5083 Hitler? lol

[@carolynmcmahon5083]

@@margyritchie2702 why are you calling me Hitler?????????????????? Not Funny

[@amberlinmchugh8115]

A friend of mine told me the other day that as a kid he was traumatized due to being made to baptize dead cowboys at the crystal castle (right off the freeway, just like they said). Had to go down a rabbit hole and see what he was taking about

[@MM-jf1me]

​@@carolynmcmahon5083I know your comment is over a year old, but I think that person was jokingly asking you if you were one of the poor souls who were proxies for Hitler's baptism (due to no central database until around 1990s/2000s, multiple stakes have baptized Hitler by proxy).

[@andreaweloth5976]

Please continue this series. I remember feeling creeped and grossed out by 4 old men watching me as I got dunked in the font, knowing I wasn’t wearing any underwear. I don’t get how parents let alone the church is ok with adult/old men asking inappropriate questions to children for them to get the recommend, let alone having 4 old dudes staring at these kids while they’re being dunked. This whole thing makes me sick 🤢

[@giabarrone7422]

They also implied that they were forced to walk naked from the shower to a temple worker to collect a towel. Was this your experience? I find the whole situation with how they handle children and SA unforgivable.

[@maryhalterman4553]

Why weren't you wearing any underwear? I always wore underwear when I did Baptisms For The Dead.

[@andreaweloth5976]

@@giabarrone7422 yes. Only had a towel.

[@andreaweloth5976]

@@maryhalterman4553 we were told to not wear underwear.

[@timhazeltine3256]

@@maryhalterman4553 Baptizing the dead is a grotesque practice. What gives the LDS Church to mess with my late relatives and ancestors, who had their own faiths? This practice, among others, is why I have no respect for LDS or its beliefs.

[@Nikki-sf6bs]

I was baptized for like 30 or 40 people when I was 13. IT was the WEIRDEST freaking thing I have ever done. Even then I knew it as evil. I left the church at 18.

[@Starving_Phoenix]

I'm so excited for this video! My mom and I converted when I was 10 but I became inactive and eventually moved away from the church after she died when I was 14. I never made it to the temple and I'm PUMPED to finally learn what goes on in there!

[@mylesmarkson1686]

It's loads of fun (especially if you've got a foot-fetish!)

[@GabriellaElizabeth]

I lived in Arizona for 5 years, particularly in a Mormon dense area. I was in 8th grade when a friend invited me to a service one Sunday. Me being raised catholic, didn’t realize going to church for Mormon’s as a 3.5 hour ordeal. This service in particular people discussed going to see the new temple that had been built and everyone was getting super emotional over it, i for one was so confused. My friend introduced me to converts my age and it wasn’t until recently that I revisited the memories and realized her and her family were trying to convert me. I really enjoy your content and understanding how a lot of my friends grew up in relation to religion.

[@OMGitsaClaire]

Interestingly, I work in cultural resource management (archaeology, only the boring legal side) and how you feel about baptizing dead people is how I feel about moving their bodies. Most people are buried with love by their families. A new land owner or property developer shouldn’t be able to come in, decide their grave is inconvenient, and dig them up. But it happens quite frequently, especially in some states. And it’s also an open secret that most “moved” graves usually aren’t actually moved. There is just so much wrong with cemetery law in the US because so little is thought about the rights of the dead and their descendants. And I’m just out here protecting people’s graves because no one else will.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Wow. We totally agree with your thoughts. I am glad you are doing that work!!

[@helenr4300]

In UK ancient cemeteries have been discovered during building works, eg Black death mass graves, pre medieval etc. Built over centuries ago. There can be removals of more recent, eg victorian, burials but it is a big deal to do and remains re interred appropriately. A lot of small churchyard in urban areas have moved headstones to the perimeter allowing a green space to sit in. But still to be respected as a place of burial and records of who is where maintained.

[@OMGitsaClaire]

@@helenr4300 in the US, especially in the Upland South areas I work in, small family farm cemeteries are most common with maybe 8-12 individuals and a use period of about 100 years maximum typically. Families would chose a portion of their own farmland to use as the family cemetery. With urban sprawl, more formerly agricultural areas are getting made into suburbs. The new estates hate having tiny old cemeteries in the middle of their brand new McMansions so they petition the local government to have them moved. It’s especially bad with enslaved cemeteries, which tend to largely be unmarked grave depressions. In states that have “abandoned cemetery” laws, removal is super common. That’s why I always recommend people wanting to visit their family cemetery send a certified letter to the property owner with the request. This creates a legally admissible paper trail so that the cemetery can’t be declared abandoned.

[@helenr4300]

@@OMGitsaClaire interesting how different histories create different issues. We can have a burial on one's own land and a few did, but most would go to the parish church in the village. But it makes sense in a community more scattered over vast areas that people used their farmstead. But of course the graves don't then come under any legal entity when family ends or disperses, whereas church graves are protected. Of course in parts of mainland Europe you only rent a grave for about 30 or 50 yrs and then dug up to go in an ossary,

[@MrsMrMoney]

@@OMGitsaClaire I’m not sure where you work in the US but I’m from Georgia and the family cemetery thing is very common here. Also, have you heard of Lake Lanier near Atlanta? The lake was made when they flooded the town of Oscarville in the ‘50’s. More than 20 cemeteries under that lake that were NOT moved properly as they were supposed to. It’s horrible. People say that lake is cursed, and I can understand why.

[@hannahadler2537]

I just started watching your videos and I want to say first of all, I really appreciate how personal yet informative your content is! I happen to be majoring in Jewish education and am an Orthodox Jew, and was incredibly interested by the fact that the baptismal process in the temple seems to be taken pretty directly from a lot of Jewish family purity laws, and would love to discuss the academic sources for this overlaps at some point! Keep being amazing and healing yourselves, much love

[@annieangel97]

i super appreciate the audio versions; i wish more youtubers would do this

[@JordanandMcKay]

It’s so easy too. I export the same project as audio only.

[@Iriateayuda]

I´m honestly considering adding a clause to my will that I do not wish to be baptized to a different religion than the one that I die in...

[@JordanandMcKay]

I feel like if you believe your family would respect your wishes it wouldn’t be a bad idea!

[@em4888]

Same…

[@travelswithblindcane]

I'm definitely interested in you continuing the series! I was never very religious and never knew any Mormons so this is all new to me, but super fascinating. My hometown is only about a 2 hour drive from Nauvoo, and yep, it's on the Mississippi. I played some middle school basketball games there. Had no idea it was an important Mormon place until tonight.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Oh my gosh yes. Mormons are obsessed with Nauvoo.

[@Pencelia]

Ran into this issue for my great grandfather. I've never been a Mormon but back in December I saw the temple work button on my great grandfather. I was very upset because his father was a Greek Orthodox Priest and my great grandfather came to the US and started a Greek Orthodox Church in MA. He was buried in the Greek Orthodox tradition. My Mormon friends didn't understand why I was so upset. I felt like they were not respecting his religious beliefs. I'm not Greek Orthodox but he was and know his beliefs were Greek Orthodox. The other thing is that there are nobody closely related to my great grandfather that are Mormons. Also when they worked on him they didn't have his correct name since when he came to the US he was given a different very common surname. The family then took their original Greek surname back later thus records were all over the place. This whole experience had me sour on Family Search and trying to understand what Mormons believe.

[@joecamel6196]

Undoubtedly, your Greek Orthodox Church ancestor's wife has been Mormon Temple sealed to a 2nd anointed Mormon man as one of his polygamous wives for in the "hereafter."

[@Pencelia]

@@joecamel6196 Well I did find out that most of my Greek ancestors were either killed or raped by the Turks. This ancestor's father was a big captain in the Greek Revolution. The wife's name means Sparta is on fire. It is located in the Taygetus Mountain range.

[@joecamel6196]

There is a large Greek Orthodox population. Could you tell me when the Greeks settled in Salt Lake City, Utah. Were the Greeks already there when the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Incorporated branch of people under Brigham Young came to Salt Lake City. here should be special emphasis in schools to teach about the extreme attempt to eradicate the Greeks by the Swiss/Satanic Triangle Families's Turkey, and Communists machine. Greeks have suffered enormously and Turkey should be required to pay reparations and prosecute the Turks for their murderous atrocities.

[@Pencelia]

@@joecamel6196 I'm not talking about in Utah. 😂You mentioned my ancestors wife etc. Just mentioned what they already had been through. They don't need Mormons trying to bother them in their after life asking them to join their religion. Let them rest until God comes back to take them home. The Greek Orthodox believe their people fall asleep. That's the term they use.

[@nmikloiche]

I just came here from FamilySearch and am feeling very “violated”. Its so odd because I traced my fathers line back to a relative born/died in England, like in late 1500s. She and husband notably had a grandson, listed as a “preacher” and who immigrated to Rhode Island before the Revolutionary War. That preacher was a founder of Providence and was a signer of some treaties and agreements. It was interesting learning a little about him, but I was flipped out to see that he, and his family members in England were baptized by LDS in the 1950s. It just feels very violent to do this to people who can’t even object. Not even their family can object.

[@jcwittig]

I was living in Edmonton and was extremely lucky to be able to tour the temple there before it was dedicated. It was opulent to say the very least but also gorgeous and awe inspiring. I did find one thing odd. While we were touring the temple every time someone touched an object or chair anything they had a person appeared and chastised whoever had not followed the rules. They come over and kind of like put a sticky note on it I'm not sure why? The theory was because they had to replace everything that a non-sealed non-temple recommended person had touched. Not sure if that's true or not? But it's beautiful and the baptismal font I have no words, it made me speechless. I am so glad I have that opportunity before they dedicated the temple. I did feel a little harassed or stalked because I had crutches and only one leg was working at the time they had someone following me to make sure I didn't touch anything or didn't lean on anything. Could have been my imagination too.

[@moshiachgirlie]

Yall are my new favorite channel! I've never been Mormon but my aunt converted when she was 19 and I've always been fascinated by Mormons, thank you for explaining things in layman's terms! Lots of love ❤

[@herpdyderpp]

Starting off, I've done this a few times. Was freaked out when I went the first time, yes literally thought I'd be baptizing corpses. The last time I did it, that dark feeling weighted on me the whole experience that the whole idea finally made no sense anymore. Last time I went to the temple.

[@doeeyes2]

So qre you actually baptiing people? I still dont get it

[@herpdyderpp]

@@doeeyes2 no bodies, just "in their name"

[@sgtmichelada]

hi, i just wanted to say that i'm a girl from spain living in germany and your videos about the mormons blow my mind.

[@JordanandMcKay]

That’s amazing! We love our overseas friends!

[@KarensOpinionsMayDiffer]

This brought back nightmarish memories of my own baptism (1967)! I was baptized when I was eight in the Salt Lake City Temple, didn’t really have a choice, it was just assumed this would be the right path for me. Ha! My uncle Fred, who was a bishop had to dunk me three times because various body parts kept poking out of the water. First a toe, then a knee, then a hand - not traumatizing at all for a little kid to feel like they’re being drowned. Hello, definitely not meant to be, but he persisted. Shortly there after we found out good old uncle Fred was abusing and cheating on his wife and embezzling money from the church. 🤦‍♀️ And then they escorted me to a little room were some bigwig whispered something in my ear, some kind of prophecy as I recall… My mom was with me, but it was terrifying.

[@claireleblanc5471]

As someone with Jewish descent with family members who survived and who died in the holocaust. The fact that they could be posthumously baptized is super gross. I hope they are able to think about it for the victims of residential schools as well. That would be pretty gross as well

[@JordanandMcKay]

Like it doesn’t do anything, but just let the dead rest for the love.

[@lee_yuhhh]

the title of this one peaked my interest immediately. you guys are just the absolute best, every video of yours teaches me something new. one of my favourite channels on youtube by a landslide! also - jordan looks so cute in a beanie! 💗

[@JordanandMcKay]

Aww thank you x2! ❤️❤️

[@husnaavhora6485]

Right! She looks adorbs!

[@amethyst5512]

Yes, please continue this series. It is very interesting to hear how many of the crazy things you hear around are true and learn about crazy things that are true that I’ve never heard of…

[@rosebud7233]

Yeah, I’m interested in you to continuing this series! It’s kind of a relief knowing there’s nothing I can do about it being on this list after I die. I’ve wondered about that since I was a teen. It sucks, obviously, I but if there’s nothing I can do about it then I can put it out of my mind.

[@JustJ-Me]

My LDS former neighbors (live across the street from my dad) said they were considering doing a Baptism for my mom who passed. My mom grew up in a very active LDS household and she was the black sheep. She felt very strongly against, and resentful of "the church". I don't know what the neighbor ended up doing, but hopefully her & her husband respected that I told her I can't see my mom desiring or being okay with that.

[@mylesmarkson1686]

They really need to get it through their tiny little brains that there's more to life than their silly-assed rituals in their OCD cult.

[@ryanellsworth7246]

That was the right thing to say. They do mean well, just like when a Protestant says you need to be saved and gets a bit overzealous. Their intentions are good but the next time you get in that position remind them that Article of Faith #11 says we allow all men the privilege to worship how they want and your mom preferred to not be baptized. They have no choice but to respect her wishes.

[@JustJ-Me]

@@ryanellsworth7246 Thank you. I adore those neighbors and would never want to hurt them.

[@CritThinkng]

The BEST thing as a teen was when somebody would get a "silly" name from history like "Dorkus" or "Nimrod" and you could hear all your friends trying not to laugh 😆 I thought getting dunked was fun but confirmations were SO BORING. And I so agree, Jordan, it's weird having the hands go on and off 🙄

[@MoMac155]

I was baptized Catholic but am currently agnostic. I dated a guy who was raised LDS. His mom has become OBSESSED with my family. To the point she is hunting down the grave stones of my mom’s sister who died as a toddler. She has hunted other family since. It’s sickening to cling on families to baptize for a religion they never accepted.

[@ashleylaine63]

I would love to hear how your families have handled you leaving the church and how you guys cope with that, thanks for the awesome content!!

[@moniquedelaney7958]

Very informative , this baptism business . I knew they were persistent but this is pushing it even more than I thought .

[@Grahamcracker6366]

I have a degree in graphic design. Every time you say font, I’m thinking Helvetica, Times, Etc. Hehehehe

[@anastasiahall2711]

I was 11 (July birthday) the first time I did baptisms for the dead. I had no idea what I was doing, this being something "sacred" (a.k.a. secret) that no one bothered explaining to me beforehand. I wondered silently as a shy 11 year old if I was about to walk into a room full of dead bodies..

[@ryanellsworth7246]

Yep, they have gotten much better at preparing people now. I had a similar experience with the washing and anointing. Back in the day you had to wear just a single cloth draped over your body that you held closed on the sides for it and it was a lot more touchy feely. I had no clue! It makes sense now and is done fully clothed with no touchy except the head.

[@lisahance]

Yes please - more on the ordinances. Have just discovered your channel so am now working my way backwards to your older videos. Am an ex-Mormon myself so really appreciate your perspective.

[@lezlezzin]

thank yall for breaking things like this down. I appreciate your way of explaining things and always look forward to hearing your perspectives! I consider myself a very curious person and a fairly adequate researcher--and it is nearly impossible to find thorough and honest information on topics like these! having grown up in an almost entirely mormon town (all of my teachers and probably 90% of my peers were), I was always asking questions about things like baptisms for the dead and other mormon tales that I'd heard rumors of--but I soon learned to not bother because boy could they dodge and deflect a question! your videos answer questions I've had since I was 6 or 7 years old

[@JordanandMcKay]

Great to hear! It's funny because this is exactly how I would have explained all this when we were true-believing Mormons, I just can do it with snark now!

[@ka8544]

Imagine if all of these people spent their time and energy and money on actually helping people instead of doing this! It’s so sad to think about.

[@cathleengillettegates1748]

I stumbled on your channel recently. My husband and I joined the church in 1976, the same year I gave birth to our twin boys. We thought we were having ONE baby, but surprise~ there were TWO. It was an interesting time in our lives to say the least. My husband was in a hospital bed in our living room recovering from back surgery when the missionaries came to our door. We both sat for the discussions, however I was from generations of Irish Catholics and had no plans to join the Mormon church!!!

[@cathleengillettegates1748]

Fast forward 20 or so years~ we had six sons, left California, in 1988 went through the Chicago temple, moved to Minnesota, and LEFT the church. Our temple experience Was our final straw , and plunged us back to normal life! It was a long, often difficult time for us. Looong weird time~~~~

[@JordanandMcKay]

Wow, was the temple the only thing that made you make the decision to leave or were there other things that were weighing heavy on you before.

[@marshallmelancholy7867]

I had to do these actually when I was in middle school (and still going to church only so my mom wouldn’t cry at me) and it’s very weird that’s how I knew the church was pretty fake was that my bishop gave me a temple recommend and said I was so full of light when I had lied through pretty much every question just to get it so my parents would be proud of me LMAOO. The temples are beautiful I will admit, but it stunk of holier than thou the entire time I was in there💀 My mom went and did temple work for my atheist grandparents and it makes me feel gross everytime she talks about it. Feels like a slap to the face to her own parents🙄

[@alexandramurray8018]

This was my favourite video of yours so far. This was such a great, in depth look at this topic and I just wanted to thank you for all of the effort you put in to your videos vs just giving us a quick overview!

[@virginiafernandes336]

Imagine you are in spirit prision, living your best afterlife, having fun with all the other sinners. The angel prision guard calls your name and gives you a magic undergarment because you were baptized. That would be AWFUL!

[@colliefreakable]

I'm not Mormon, I'm Anglican not deeply religious, but I did ask and have my Child blessed as she was born I knew she would pass upon birth. The Reverend explained Baptism could not be done but he could bless us both and pray for us as a family. That made me feel better for some reason. I find your channel very interesting Thank you..

[@LizbetPCB]

I understand why you did it, and I’m sorry your little one passed.

[@travelswithblindcane]

So sorry for your loss. I had a D&C for medical reasons (though obviously it doesn't compare in any way to your loss and I'm so sorry) and while I'm agnostic, I did ask the chaplain to bless the baby. Figured I might as well give it whatever protection I could since my body couldn't.

[@helenr4300]

As a church minister (not Anglican) I understand the thinking about not baptising the dead. Glad You had the blessing. Historically there were superstitions about the fate of the unbaptised babies. There is nothing in church teaching or the Bible that backs that. I always say to baptismal families that the ritual is about acknowledging what already existed, the love of God for the child, and the familq0 family giving thanks in a particular way and a community pledging support. From my faith view, you, and your baby are held in God's love. Life just sucks sometimes and its not fair.

[@missyme2158]

The Mormons wre baptizing my dead Jewish family that died in the Holocaust. The Mormons have zero right to do such things.

[@marcellacruser951]

Someone in my husband's family baptized for my grandfather without my mother's permission (his only child). I have never seen my mother so infuriated by anything, ever. Like nuclear pissed! She went batshit on my in-laws, threatening to sue them at minimum and potentially get up there to kick their asses personally. 😂 They claimed that they hadn't done it, but my mother later received a letter stating my grandfather had been removed from the rolls. My husband's grandfather finally also stopped sicking the missionaries on us regularly after that. Do you think perhaps that women are now allowed as attendants bc of the uptick in the MeToo movement, so they can claim they are preventing impropriety?

[@MountainPearls]

THAT is a good question! I would not be happy to get such a letter about my parents (etc)!

[@lisab6547]

My mom's side of the family are Catholic. My grandparents were very devout but not to the point of being freaks. My grandma died in 1983 and my grandpa died in 1999. We have a distant cousin who asked one of my aunts if the family would mind if he baptized them. He was very firmly told we would mind very much. When my mom told me I went ballistic!! The baptism never happened but anyone who knew my grandparents would know they would NEVER have wanted it.

[@susandonohoe1494]

My lds sister did this to my mother who passed in 2015. My father was devastated and their relationship has never fully recovered. He has also told me he does not want this for himself. Since my sister kept it secret till after the fact, I'll do everything in my power to honor his wishes. Conversations has already begun...

[@JustJ-Me]

@@susandonohoe1494 Ugh. Feels so intrusive. I'm sorry

[@woobiefuntime]

@@lisab6547 I wouldn't care because it wouldn't effect my eternal destiny

[@themedia1271]

Okay has anybody ever gotten consent from Priscilla Presley or Lisa Marie Presley to baptize Elvis? I NEED TO KNOW IM CURIOUS NOW!!!!!

[@JordanandMcKay]

lol they don’t care about consent

[@kmills1231]

My sons dad is a mormon so as part of the child support agreement I take my son to church once a month, I was shocked when I asked if someone in their will said they didnt want to be baptized after they are dead what they would do. They said they would ignore the will and baptize anyways

[@emh.1178]

I remember being so creeped out by this when I was 12 that I avoided going to the temple at all costs, then immediately left the church the second I turned 18XD

[@johnlee1352]

Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw your weakness out.

[@emh.1178]

@@johnlee1352 lol

[@Udontsay948]

You guys have so much courage. Literally speaking truth to power.

[@Janella_Ice_Ice_Baby]

Love these! Yes please keep doing videos about the crazy temple ordinances. I grew up in Mesa, AZ (Utah lite) just down the street from the Mesa Temple. I grew up non-LDS but alllllll of my friends were. I canceled my baptism the day before it was set to take place because I accidentally found all the temple shit online. It was 2001 and a lot tougher to find at the time. I'll never get anywhere near being lds again but the cultishness of it all still absolutely fascinates me. Keep up the great work, guys!!!!

[@carsyngustafson2566]

I have literally been binge watching today and yesterday… I think I might be obsessed with you guys 😂 I Fell into the Mormon influencer hole and it’s truly insane how many Mormon influencers there are… kinda #scared.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Omg we’re honored!! Thank you for being here! ❤️ many Mormon influencers are scary lmai

[@matthewscott1091]

The whole “baptism of the dead” thing aside, the free ancestry research tools are pretty cool. I traced back one side of my family to the 1400’s. 😯

[@cocobear285]

Yes more! Just subscribed because I want more! Love learning about cults. I was a Christian up until recently.

[@saradoutt8803]

I used to be a religious education Director in a Catholic Parish. I was responsible for Formation and Sacramental preparation. It’s fascinating that while our theology and doctrine are very different, many of your sacramentals and parts of your rituals are very similar to ours.

[@saradoutt8803]

We don’t baptize/confirm posthumously, but we do pray for the dead, and ask them to pray for us

[@jfm14]

I was actually thinking about suggesting this topic just yesterday! ETA: Okay, Pope John Paul II? As a "fallen" Catholic, that one sent me. 😂 Several years ago, the Vatican actually issued a directive over this issue to stop sharing parish registers with LDS genealogical societies and affiliated companies for them to digitize. It's understandable but unfortunately, this had made online genealogical research a lot harder for everyone with Roman Catholic ancestors... especially if they lived in a time when the religious records were the only records. It's a bummer.

[@JordanandMcKay]

I thought that one was hysterical. 😂 And I had NO IDEA that the Vatican did that!!

[@lisab6547]

I remember when the Vatican said this. Sad that they had to.

[@angelairidescenceartglass6289]

Anndddd…that’s why I’m having problems helping someone whose family is/was/has been Catholic for more than 200 years find definitive proof she needs for her application for the Daughter’s of the American Revolution. Should be easy…but the DAR demands, and verifies, records. Only thing I could tell her was to contact the parish where her many times great grandfather was born and buried to see if they can help her find his baptismal record or the burial record. Luckily it’s still an active parish…but, yeah, not sure what kinds of records they have.

[@VeronicaDonatoCruz]

I had a boyfriend that was Mormon and he tried to convince me to trace my ancestry with the LDS run website. I almost did and Im really paranoid that somehow they’ll have all my information and try and baptize my dead ancestors. Also, this boyfriend had told me the ancestry website traced that he was related to a Norse god…I’m not kidding, he showed me the “record”. If you guys know the answer to that, how the heck is it possible that people who say they believe in one god, also believe in Norse gods being ancestors?…

[@VeronicaDonatoCruz]

Oh jeez I just saw that they baptized JP2. As a Catholic, who knew that Mormons hated my faith, I have zero words for that….

[@ColumineMiette]

He's in my tree too, as well as adam and eve. So many questions.

[@lorineilson7529]

The problem is they don't believe in one God because they believe we can become God's.

[@daisystar25970]

OMG! I remember a while back Ruby Frankie did a video and linked the link in her bio and I was about to search up my ancestors(I’m not Mormon) but I also was scared they would either baptize my dead ones or I just wouldn’t be able to find anything so I just didn’t do it lmao

[@angelamaryquitecontrary4609]

I'd so rather go to Valhalla than ANY Christian 'heaven'. (I looked into my ancestry, and it appears that, apart from general European roots- no great surprise, as I live in the UK- I partly "come from the land of the ice and snow...") Basically, we are your overlords.

[@Megado24]

I never knew that this was a thing and it is absolutely disgusting that this happens. It seems so wrong! What makes it worse is that kids are taught that they are doing an amazing thing "saving" all of these people!

[@MCKevin289]

I think that those Mormons you mentioned that felt gross after a baptism of the dead felt that way because they subconsciously knew that they were wrong but gaslight themselves into believing it was their ancestor rejecting it. I’m raised Catholic and i told my mom about this practice and she thought the same. It’s disrespectful to the beliefs of the deceased.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Absolutely agree!

[@amyholloway8612]

When I was meeting with the missionaries as an adult, I asked about the baptisms for the dead. Their simple explanations didn't sit well with me...but it wasn't bothersome enough to stop me from getting baptized 🤦‍♀️. Apostate now.

[@JordanandMcKay]

There’s really no good explanation that doesn’t sound crazy lol!

[@johnlee1352]

Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw your weakness out.

[@JordanandMcKay]

@@johnlee1352 Jesus John, obsessed with us much?

[@aprilwardle6859]

My friends Mormon grandmother wanted this for her father after he passed when my friend was young. My friends mum told her mother in law where to go. Both my friends parents left the church when she was one.

[@thetamperer9784]

my parents had me and my siblings doing this at least weekly, sometimes three or more times a week. it sickens me now in retrospect, but I was just a dumb twelve to fifteen year old. I didn't really want to go but all these adults were so proud of me and said I was so good for doing it, so who was I to say no when my going could save someone from hell all because I felt uncomfortable and would rather be doing other things? now being exmo, if anyone were to try and do baptisms for a loved one of mine who is also exmo but only got baptized, I've resolved that I will do whatever I can to keep any of those culty rituals from being done for them or anyone else I can because it's so disrespectful and so sickening to me

[@lilacgirl867]

This was fascinating! I loved the deep dive and am super excited for the podcast. Thank you guys for all you do!

[@mackenzieb2218]

LOL the word witness reminds me of when I was at the airport earlier today flying home, come guy got pulled for random search, and the one security lady yelled to her coworker "I need a male witness"

[@texasgina]

Thank you for what you guys are doing. My mom was church and religion hopping when I was a kid and when she started dating a Mormon we started going to the Mormon church and I was about six or seven years old and I remember running out of the primary class because I had such a bad feeling and I knew they were teaching me false things at such a young age and I begged my mom to never send me back there again. So the day I was in the primary class and I ran away I took off running down the street and I ended up sitting on a small brick wall and some young girl walking her dog she was probably a teenager and she found me and took me back. Luckily later on my mom and my aunt and my grandmother became Christians through Calvary Chapel and The Vineyard Churches. Mormons are very nice people but they are so misled about the book of Mormon and Joseph Smith it’s really sad. And all of the weird things they do it’s just unbelievable and it’s not even biblical

[@victoriaperkins7219]

I saw a program that stated that as of 2013 - they were caught up on baptizing the dead, since then it's maintaining. My Mom died 32 years ago and to think that she has been put forward for baptizing without any permission from anyone living who loved her, is sick and disturbing. Anne Frank, Albert Einstein, Winston Churchill - have been baptized into the Mormon church. Such cult crap.

[@helenr4300]

Caught up? Worldwide populations from 30 AD?

[@muneerakhair]

You two are my favorite apostates! Thank you so much for taking the time to painstakingly explain this evil organization. I am so happy you left and are continuing with life as parents, advocates for free thought and inspirational to all in the static state of deconstruction.

[@JordanandMcKay]

Im glad we live up to the self-given title!

[@danawood5859]

Back in the 1970’s I did the baptizing for dead! I only did it once in the Idaho Temple! I found out you can’t baptize someone once they are dead.

[@addie9539]

I’ve always felt so uncomfortable at the fact that my family would potentially do this 😵‍💫 I WILL come haunt you …

[@tinae566]

My mother and brother converted probably 40 years ago from Catholic to Mormon. I have always been fascinated by all of this. I got to go to temple when they had an "open house" kind of thing. I thought the baptismal fount (shown in your thumbnail) was beautiful. But not being a member, I can like the beauty, but not have to deal with all the crazy rules!

[@weirdhousewivesclub]

The multiple levels of heaven/spirit prison and baptism for the dead was what ended up making me decide not to keep pursuing mormonism in college. I remember the missionaries I was talking to saying "The more you learn about the LDS church, the more you'll see it's the True Church of God!" and the more I learned, the more I was like, no thanks.

[@Ali-zn6sg]

This is crazy to me, but it's also crazy to me how this is something living Jews actually fear. I know way too many people who have left their Jewish kids with non-Jewish babysitters (whom they trusted) and come home to find their children had been baptized.

[@eddie4988]

i had heard about these baptisms when i was young and considered them deeply strange. but growing up catholic in the US my family very much taught “listen we don’t know what any of the new religions are up too our families good here leave the old religions out of it” and leaving it there. But now hearing the repeated psychological warfare inflicted on the youth as base theology is so sinister. To have a faith so much rooted both on modesty and shame ALSO also sexual control just have youth just be wet and revealed to their peers and just old men they know as CLOSER TO GOD then them GET OUT OF HERE. plus oxygen deprivation plus repetition plus guilt and urgency. it’s really haunting. Decor is not what i was expecting the bulls are such a wild choice for a christian based religion too! I was taught bull statues where definitely not God like. Thank you for sharing your expertise and experience with us, growing up it i was always worried about how secretive it was with it deep and the weeds practices and i’m starting to put it together.

[@addieruesch9355]

I remember hearing stories about people seeing visions/the ghosts of the people they are getting baptized for in the room with them while the ordinances are being done. After I heard that I would hope every single time that I would see ghosts. Unsurprisingly, I never did. So weird looking back😅

[@RogersMgmtGroup]

they saw demons. look at the story of Saul seeing “Samuel” when he went to see the witch.

[@TheJDSeibel]

The food in the cafeteria in the boise temple was amazing, lol, so I was sad when they did away with that. AND we weren't allowed to use the hair dryers because they were too loud and disrupted the other baptisms! ugghh

[@nmikloiche]

I have questions! (1) How is “celebrity” defined by the church? For instance I’m related to a Canadian hockey player who played professionally from 1929-1936. I’m also related to the inventor and patent holder for using fiber optics to transmit signals. He died in the 1980’s. Neither of these people have instant name or likeness recognition, but in their day or within their professions they might be well known. (2) How are people with the same name handled. In my paternal line, each generation has at least 1 male child named “Stephen Peter” or “Stephen Richard”. They didn’t use the Sr / Jr or I, II.

[@JordanandMcKay]

There’s no given definition for the purpose of it being as loose to define as possible.

[@destinyf7212]

i love how much you guys are posting! i watch every video, love hearing your point of view! Also, i was eating taco bell while watching and noticed mckay’s shirt 😂🔔

[@JustJ-Me]

Taco Bell... I'm so jealous. Yum!

[@JordanandMcKay]

Hahahah Taco Bell is the best!!

[@KrystalPancakes]

YAY Thank you for a video during this weird week!! Sending y'all love from Ohio! ♥♥♥

[@mychemgirl12]

All I remember from doing this was feeling like I was drowning. Also you should do a video about the plan of salvation.

[@JordanandMcKay]

We will have to do a video about each of those concepts. They are pretty extensive.

[@mychemgirl12]

@@JordanandMcKay for sure I still don’t fully grasp the concept and I was raised in a hardcore Mormon household

[@Lemonade_Stand_]

I havent started the video yet but i swear if anyone baptizes my body after i die im haunting the shit out of them.

[@thelovelessco]

Just curious! Would you guys ever do a video on all the random aspects of the temple, for example, food court?? Laundry?? Those two things just stuck out to me! That’s all! Thanks 😁

[@JordanandMcKay]

Maybe! I never ate at any of their cafeterias but there is a bit about the laundry that we will have to address.

[@giabarrone7422]

How have I never heard of the tradition of forcing children to wear communal underwear at the temple!?!? I swear one influencer said/implied they had to buy temple garments from a shop at the temple when they went. Do all temples have a lend and wash policy, or were they lying to make it not seem so weird?

[@JordanandMcKay]

We will talk about that in an upcoming video

[@giabarrone7422]

@@JordanandMcKay Interesting!

[@dianefoster4472]

If my step brother did a baptism of the dead for my mother I would NEVER give permission for that . How do I find out if that was done ? I would just be furious !!

[@feliciasjoberg9886]

1:08:42 Kingston clan also say they can trace their lineage to Jesus. And even Adam and Eve!

[@KristinaUSA-x5n]

I would believe it considering I uploaded my DNA to one site and it said 1% Druze.

[@LizbetPCB]

I love your longer videos, and really enjoyed this one. So, thank you!

[@montrealderogatory]

I said this in the last video, but I used to be a dedicated temple go-er as a teenager. I woke up every thursday morning at 3:30 am to be able to go with a group to the temple (Timpanogos) before school. We would get in line at 4:30 am, even though the temple didnt open til 5. I did this IN ADDITION to youth group temple activities. There is one week I remember going to do baptisms 3 times. I did the math, I have probably done around 800-900 baptisms for the dead. The most I ever did in one session was 15? Maybe? I don't know how they had enough time for everyone to do 15, but maybe it wasn't at the Timpanogos. I remember it happening though. Also, at the Timpanogos and provo temples, you do the confirmations for the same people you did baptisms for. I brought names that i did, did names my neighbors prepared and my grandparents prepared. I also did names the temple provided. I would feel bad for doing homework late on a Wednesday night, because I worried it would interfere with going to the temple the next day because I wouldn't get enough sleep. Sometimes i still did. There were many nights where i got 2 hours of sleep instead of like 5 because i felt like i had to go to the temple.

[@elizabethgrogan8553]

That was fascinating. I was just wondering how the church can justify baptizing evil people like Hitler. Does that mean he's entitled to a place in Mormon afterlife? Which family do they think he would join?

[@JordanandMcKay]

It’s really concerning that they will leave that up to god’s judgement. If you can be the proponent behind the murder of millions and still make it, send my ass to hell. I don’t want any part in it.

[@mariar6449]

Mormons have ties to white supremacy, so it doesn't bother them too terribly about Hitler

[@johnlee1352]

@@JordanandMcKay You "ass" is already there...

[@JordanandMcKay]

@@johnlee1352 you’re really so triggered you gotta hang out in our comment section until we respond huh? lmao 😂 this is Satan’s Ponzi scheme, my friend. I don’t think you belong here.

[@johnlee1352]

@@JordanandMcKay It seems the rest of you is there as well...good.

[@dawnarlene8884]

I was picturing prison when you were describing getting dressed and putting regular clothes in a locker

[@dawnarlene8884]

Walking down the hall in the jumpsuit

[@JordanandMcKay]

Hahahahah that’s hilarious!

[@sydneymorgan7951]

Growing up in Utah, and having researched all this crazy shit, I know most of this stuff already. But literally you guys are just so informative and interesting to listen to that I watch every video anyway. 😂 keep on keeping on. I appreciate your hard work! 💜

[@hallewest5172]

not sure if yall will see this but I'm using this video (technically the podcast) as a primary source for my final research paper in my lang class :) my topic is rites & beliefs unique to fundamentalist or independent Christian groups and I love yalls channel

[@ChristyValley]

So much makes sense all of the sudden! I know my uncle wanted to do a death baptism after my Grandma died, I remember the other siblings, including my mom said no. He did it anyway. And now I also understand why all of those relatives, my cousins are on Ancestry and I keep getting tagged in their tree! It’s free for Mormons.

[@michelledalenaa]

I'm a former public school teacher. Anyway- we used to team teach and would have the same group of students for three years. One time we had an extremely high number of Mormon students on our team. They were all good kids. However- we'd occasionally get the pressure put on us to attend 'teacher appreciation' things at the local ward (we never went). One of my coworkers (an atheist) actually told one of the girls that while he appreciated all of the invites- there was no actual need for him to become LDS. He then told her that once he died she could be baptized for him and that would take care of it. I was amazed at his boldness- but he pulled it off with just the right amount of humor that she wasn't offended by it.

[@m_piper]

I didn't realize so many children did these types of baptisms....that's so weird. I know it's likely to happen because I have a large Mormon family, but I swear if they baptize me after I'm dead I'm coming back to haunt them

[@aureliagold1222]

SUPER interested in this series continuing!!!

[@richardjohnson4052]

My Colonels secretary was mormon and when I asked about this, she said that yes and she had done if. I asked if this was disrespectful to the dead person and their family and she replied, "The dead can always refuse baptism." as if that justified it. I pointed out that were I baptized when dead, I would HAUNT the church, the stake president, the bishop and especially the perosn who took my role. And not this tv crap, I am talking screaming and bloody walls that will have the neighbors call the police who will see the blood and arrest you for murder. I am talking floods of sticking blood in the temple that will cause the people attending to vomit. consider the cleaning bills. I am talking possessing your husband and emptying your bank account to hire prostitute after prostitute and you and the church will get the films. I am talking calling in every ghjost I can find to haunt every temple in the US.

[@esmeraldajacobs2553]

I discovered your channel a few weeks ago and have been fascinated by the facts and experiences you've been through. The WTF episode for me was the Soaking episode. I could not stop laughing. This episode just brought it up a notch. Wow!

[@hannahbadgerdontcare]

Super interested in hearing about the next ordinances !

[@lizzie4844]

Exmo here! From my experience the girls were never given white socks- just indirectly encouraged to have either bare, white, or nude toenails. My ward was more slack on hair ties and nails. I can’t remember anyone wearing socks lol

[@Kellyc888]

Funnily enough my dad always told us that the reason you had to wait a year to baptize the dead in case they had any sins that they had committed in life that they'd need to repent of.... It's so funny how we all got told a billion different stories about the same thing! 😂

[@JessicaFrameMusic]

Thank you so much for talking about this. My mom was raised Mormon but didn’t let me go to church until she thought I was old enough to think for myself. But I think the indoctrination runs deep, because she’s always been very defensive of the LDS because she was brought up that way. I remember when she first told me about posthumous baptism (she mentioned Anne Frank). I was absolutely disgusted and told her how disrespectful I thought it was, and she got a bit defensive. Said that the dead are dead- they can’t be disrespected. That conversation has stuck with me for years. I still think posthumous baptism is abhorrent and I am so glad to see former LDS speaking out against it.

[@johnlee1352]

If you don't believe it, why do you even care?...sounds like someone has unfinished business with the Mormons.

[@JessicaFrameMusic]

@@johnlee1352 it’s the principle of the matter. It’s disrespectful. I take issue with major religions thinking they can do whatever they want despite the consequences to the families and memories of other people, just because they have status and money.

[@JessicaFrameMusic]

@@johnlee1352 my issue isn’t with Mormons in particular. It’s with any major religion who publicly claims to teach good morality but privately disrespects and denounces people with differing opinions.

[@johnlee1352]

@@JessicaFrameMusic Why is it disrespectful? It seems a charitable act on behalf of a deceased child of God. What are the consequences to the families BTW?

[@johnlee1352]

@@JessicaFrameMusic Have you read the posts here? You have denounced and disrespected the honestly held faith of millions and yet you whine about a temple ceremony you don't even believe in? Hate and bitterness will destroy you...it seems that process is well underway.

[@amyholloway8612]

When I met with the lead Holy guy (not sure of his title) for my interview prior to being baptized at age 24ish, the 2 questions they asked were if I was a felon and if I had engaged in a homosexual relationship.

[@JordanandMcKay]

I’m surprised on of them wasn’t if you had an abortion. That was a big one when I was on my mission.

[@amyholloway8612]

@@JordanandMcKay this was in 2002 so it could be different by now. It would be interesting to know what the questions pertain to now.

[@Iriateayuda]

the walk out of the baptizmal font is the literal walk of shame

[@JordanandMcKay]

YES

[@MountainPearls]

I would like to know/hear your honest reactions (what your true thoughts deep deep down…the gut kind) after you turned 18 and first attended a temple ceremony (perhaps including both your endowment AND the first “other” ceremony/ceremonies) as your grew and matured. For instance, from the age of 18 (your endowment-right?) until you left. As well as how those thoughts and feelings evolved as you started questioning the “church/religion” as you matured. If you want, perhaps the thought and feelings you had at during the last time you attended, too.

[@JordanandMcKay]

This is a great video idea!

[@MountainPearls]

@@JordanandMcKay hope to see it!!!

[@brandy31d]

This would be a excellent video, great idea !

[@lyssvanessen7273]

I would love to see more videos about the different ordinances. I had a Mormon friend when I was in middle school but I definitely didn't know about all of this craziness.

[@knitandcatboodle]

50:00 Thanks for that reminder *shudders* I think I repressed a good chunk of doing Baptisms for the dead XD

[@dianefoster4472]

Please continue this narrative it’s so enlightening