Divorce & The Catholic Church

[@nflemingphoto]

Thank you for this explanation. ❤️🙏🏻

[@lynnwhite3596]

Wonderful explanation for myself and to share with others struggling with this process.

[@missyfitzpatrick1305]

Thank you for this. I needed this year's ago. This has helped me forgive and forget my ex. We never got Married. I still miss him.

[@GF-zh7sv]

unfortunately, although I would love to marry it's far too dangerous in today's day and age. I wouldn't mind the religious ceremony, but I don't want the government (and in particular the marriage laws) in my life. It used to be that people would stick together through thick and thin. I could never imagine my mother saying "i just fell out of love". The divorce rates are astronomical, and losing 1/2 my assets and access to my children (in the future) is far too much of a gamble to risk. The church should consider not involving government in the sacrament between man, woman and God. The benefits of divorce incentivizes it for many woman, who for the most part are the instigators of divorce

[@ez-g3090]

Don't get get married women have no real value to offer a man. If you do get married don't register the marriage through the court house. It's just an extra fee to pay anyway. Also have a prenuptial agreement. Save your money in a safe instead of a bank that way she can't take in a divorce.

[@ginnyr8946]

If marriage is a sacrament, the government shouldn't be involved at all-

[@panes840]

​@@ez-g3090 I get what you are saying I HONESTLY do. But, if this is the otherside of the problem then I can see it's not a totally devoted loving marriage. My husband and I are devoted. What's his is minecand what's mine is his and yes, my pension is worth way more than his due to a high paying job before marriage and children and I took 17 years out to bring up our children. Only just gone back to work because I took my role as a mother seriously and childcare costs was just insane and I didn't want to stick the children in the care of others. So I do get it! There are seriously shameful unscrupulous men and women out there but I gave up my career for the family. He would have to compensate for that. I see many, many, many men swindling their wives and children out of money and wining and dining NEW women, fucking them as now addicted to fornication outside of marriage with fancy cars, nice houses and literally doing as little "father care". I see it a lot with teenage sons who are getting the rough end of tgeir fathers walking away for another woman. Yes women do it to. But I see more here in the UK by men. Men have more power financially, materistically. Even my husband admits that! We have ALL fallen away from God and we ALL need to search for a partner to marry dar, far, far more seriously.

[@visitor5009]

Very loving and upfont. Biblical and Catholic. God bless.

[@rad1248]

An annulment costs way too much. I remarried a man who was married twice before civilly. A pries5 said we would need to get 3 annulments! Impossible to afford. I was married the second time for 46 years and my husband of 46 years just passed away. Can I take Communion now? Am I excommunicated from the Church because I got remarried. I was 17 when I got married in the Church( big mistake)and got separated at19 years old. Got divorced legally when I was 23. Got remarried when I was 30 and that lasted until his death.

[@TaraJoBean29]

Very good explanation.

[@patyestrada6722]

Father i need guidance. I’m contemplating annulment I would love some more information

[@unoriginalclips9923]

For I hate divorce, says the Lord God of Israel!

[@cynthiajordan1820]

@@unoriginalclips9923 I don't know anyone that likes divorce. A lot of times one of the spouses doesn't want a divorce but the other does. There's nothing you can do if someone divorces you. There are spouses that walk out of the marriage. No one should stay in a marriage or any relationship when they are being abused. Whether the couple is married or not if you're being abused, run as soon as you can. The Church would never expect a person being abused to stay in a relationship like that.

[@ez-g3090]

You should have been a better wive not a feminist.

[@danielnaranjo953]

I think I’m a case for better or worse. She left and has a new family and more kids. Personally on my end I believe till death due us part, but now I’m wondering if am going to be alone until I die.

[@ez-g3090]

Well your better off alone. Women have no real value to offer a man anyway. If you do marry again marry a young virgin woman who is fertile, submissive, healthy and respects you more than she loves you. The best thing a woman can offer a man is your youth. And remember, a man settles where he finds peace not chaos.

[@abrahamrazo503]

Stay strong your not alone there’s a lot of us going thru the same thing I know it’s tough but remember God and more people are with you in this we have to pray and endure

[@shankeyegbert271]

How can person understand a feelings who is never married or through the marriage life my wife has left me with my son over an year and when I ask her when you are coming back she keep saying I will come back . So how long i have to wait.

[@marymorris6329]

I think annulments are very sad. I don't think humans should play about with the validity of a marraige that was in the presence of God and of our family. Their is sin in every single one of us. A legal divorce is traumatic, I couldn't ask for an annulment through the church. No matter how many years on this earth, I'd hope my brother would read the Gospels, and repent of his sins. Just as I have done so, and hope that jesus accepts me as his bride to eternity with him. I don't believe annulments are right, to offer with the option of getting remarried, while that spouse is on earth. Its death do you part. I am only talking in cases where you have two grown consenting adults,. Satan attacks the marriage. Look at Adam and eve. Sadly, mines broken. I want emotionally and spiritually strong to handle his distance with me, with him spending time with another woman. On top of that, I sinned, in the comfort of another. It's so very sad, it strings, so many years after. In my heart, my marriage happened, valid , I would never ask for an annulment for the window of remarriage. Just as I hope, as long as I am on this earth in this age, I repent of all my sins. Just as my brother/husband is on this earth, I will leave that window for him to repent, be faithful (spirit and bride). The book of hosea is a good one, and wee see again the story of the prodigal son. Sometimes, we need to deny ourselves, to be faithful to jesus teaching and our fathers will. It's so sad, and crushing, and does seem unfair. Look at the book of Job, was tested, he lost everything, but was still faithful to the ways of the Lord. The decendents of Jacob don't die. It's all about repentance and being faithful to the Lord.

[@billmcdonald180]

Can 1058 & 1060 implies that one must retain the presumption that the parties were fully capable to give consent. Proofs must correspond and cohere with all other evidence, especially with these presumptions. Can 1063, 1067 and 1070 require an extensive program to secure these presumptions. Can 1066 states “BEFORE a marriage is celebrated, it must be evident that nothing stands in the way of its valid and licit celebration.” The pastor has the legal obligation to find it evident that there is no impediment to marriage. Can 1080 also states that the preparations for marriage would be required to stop if an impediment was present until a dispensation was secured. The proofs must cohere and correspond with these presumptions. If they do not, then there is doubt and Can 1060 is prescribed.

[@chriscarolreilly4179]

If someone's sacrament of marriage is annulled, why can they no longer have the sacrament of communion and the right to be buried in a Catholic cemetery? Looking forward to part 2

[@jamesdobkowski3817]

If someone’s marriage is annulled s/he CAN again celebrate and receive Holy Eucharist.

[@Sheila3444]

Annulment says that the sacrament didn't take place therefore they can recieve communion and be burried in consecrated ground.

[@cynthiajordan1820]

Being legally divorced doesn't mean you can't receive communion, as the church still considers you married. The Church doesn't recognized legal divorce. If you're divorced you can receive communion. However, you can't remarry again in the Catholic church without getting an annulment first. If you remarry legally (i.e. by a J.P.) you can't receive communion, as the Church still considered you married to your first spouse and you would be living in mortal sin. The problem only arises when you want to get married again and your first marriage has not been annulled.

[@claudinepotvin-giordano1154]

It was great hearing your message

[@JGULLIF]

I come from a VERY catholic family and it fascinates me the divorces i've seen with my catholic relatives ... and quite a number of miserable marriages that persisted but were hellish (almost farcical) ... all these marriages went through the stupid catholic "preparation" process, including my parents.

[@ginnyr8946]

Most should have never married! The preparation is not sufficient-

[@JGULLIF]

@@ginnyr8946 I have a cousin ... They went through the whole thing ... Took months ... Splitsville after the baby.

[@ginnyr8946]

@@JGULLIF That is a shame! Some folks are either just not marriage material or just don't get what forever means!

[@JGULLIF]

@@ginnyr8946 you're right!

[@kTorres007]

​@@ginnyr8946 this is true. But also it's the couples responsibility to themselves and each other. My husband didn't believe in his vows and I placed so much emphasis on the vows we fell apart. He wanted out, but he also lied and brought in sins to our marriage. I'm almost done with the civil divorce and ready to start the annulment. It's heart breaking and ultimately crushing.

[@AnnulmentProof]

Every divorce involves one innocent and one guilty spouse. Only one remains eligible for communion because marriage is public.

[@AnnulmentProof]

If you can make babies, you necessarily have due discretion and capacity for consent.

[@cynthiajordan1820]

Having babies has nothing to do with an annulment. Someone I know well, walked out of his first marriage and 2 children. His wife was heartbroken. He remarried legally but not in the Church a few years later. This time she left him. The Catholic church wouldn't recognize the second marriage as he was still married to his first wife and there was no annulment and the Church considered him living in sin. He married for the third time years later after he received an annulment from his first marriage. The Church found that he was considered too immature to marry the first time as grounds for an annulment. Sometimes there are underlying circumstances that a priest wouldn't see when he met with the couple. He's not God.

[@AnnulmentProof]

@@cynthiajordan1820 if he was not "too immature" to consummate, he was not too immature to consent. The essence of marriage is "the right to acts," that's it. There exists no "right to an interpersonal total gift of self communion of life and love."

[@cynthiajordan1820]

@@AnnulmentProof What are you talking about? It's not all about consummating a marriage. The Church meant he wasn't ready to be married -- wasn't mature enough. Just because you are capable of having sex doesn't mean you are mature enough to be married, even if a state says you can marry at 18. That doesn't mean everyone is mature enough to be married at 18. He wasn't ready for the responsibility that comes with being married or really know what being married really meant. He wasn't ready. Some people are mature enough at 25 and others not until they are 35.

[@AnnulmentProof]

@@cynthiajordan1820 what *exactly* does one need capacity / discretion for to consent validly?

[@cynthiajordan1820]

@@AnnulmentProof I'm getting the impression you're talking about power/right to make your own decisions. You don't want anyone telling you what to do. No one is. We all have free will. We sometimes make mistakes that can cause a lot of pain later in life. You realize something too late. Marriage is a sacrament, a promise made before God. It's not about one person. It's not about self -- it's about the other. It's about love and love involves sacrifice and compromise.

[@pilot2502]

Here we have a most likely gay man (odds are in favor of that statement). Telling the rest of us how to live.

[@claudinepotvin-giordano1154]

Father Scott is incredibly genuine and faithful. Helped me through cancer and my own divorce. Helped me to heal and accept my situation. I do not agree with your statement

[@cynthiajordan1820]

You really shouldn't judge.

[@jcgurl3773]

Why would you come on here and say such a disrespectful thing. It's so unnecessary.

[@pilot2502]

Catholic priests know almost nothing about marriage. He helped you through a divorce? Shouldn't he have helped you stay married? We need fewer priests like that.

[@martinospitaletta8198]

He has the balls to tackle a hot button issue. You do not have to agree.