DIY Art School Part 3 (Mentorship) - Draftsmen S2E06

[@Draftsmen]

Who has been the best art mentor to you and why?

[@KitKatWiffleBallBat]

I'm an art orphan. I've mostly done my own research, and with the kindness of strangers and friends, I've learned quite a lot of useful information...and some contradictory, or confusing, non-useful info. A mentor is one person who has amassed a lot of skill and info over the years, while having a community is many folks with lots of ideas and skills to pick and choose from. I guess single mentorship is handy for some people, while open mentorship is good for those who are only able to process smaller bits of info at a time? It can work either way. What do you guys think? Am I way off, should I have my coffee and think harder, or what?

[@joecooper8527]

@@KitKatWiffleBallBat ART ORPHAN SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.

[@carlosroo5460]

Eric David Villamizar, who was my teacher on a weekly class every Saturday when I started, until Maduro-nomy got him and had to close and move. So I'm been on my own ever since.

[@hellomint4028]

I just have a discord server where everyone helps each other out. We are all alone in our journey but we give tips to each other to progress faster.

[@stedilorenzo]

You guys have yet to mention Ramon Hurtado and Will Weston, as far as I know, very important teachers and mentors in the IG community.

[@adityabanerjee6314]

Proko, even hearing Marshall speak the word 'Tiktok' hurts my soul. Please let him remain pure.

[@ProkoTV]

You're too late. He's a tiktok star now.

[@carlosroo5460]

@@ProkoTV Hey, Stan I'm curious from whom is the drawing next to the Marshall Horse on your wall? The one on top of the fish and bottom diagonally to the Loish's

[@joschuaknuppe5849]

@@ProkoTV Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[@danielrko9895]

@@ProkoTV damn it Proko you had one job

[@vuriby]

@@ProkoTV Oh no

[@ColoredMud]

Marshall: "Lllllaputadudada lapudadadada laputdadadada lapudadadada" Stan: "Yeeeaaahhhhhh" This is the quality content I subscribe for!

[@DiabolicalAngel]

lmaoooo same!

[@atilab99draws58]

my god i've just realized i'm going from one draftsmen episode to another all day

[@0ia]

and then rewatching it!

[@0ia]

and then rewatching it again!

[@cielosphere]

and then. again

[@tamnicco]

My mentor was my colleague at work, he showed me some drawings and I was blown away. I started to practice, and as soon as he saw my determination and interest, he helped me constantly. The most cheerful thing for an artist when someone else wants to learn art and asking for advice.

[@dankdegl612]

I find myself listening to these every time I'm walking around my local historical graveyard. It's never planned, but the uploads just magically align lol. I hope it stays that way, else I'll just have to go for a walk when I see the upload if I'm not already out haha. I've been doing a "from life" study series where I'll set a 10 min time limit, and only draw the motives I can see from the benches around the grounds. It's very fun, and it's teaching me a lot and making me draw things I'd never had thought of if I done it this way. I can highly recommend taking a walk with a mini sketch pad in your bag/pocket and sit down on a bench and draw. Thank you for the great listening material for my adventures to the graveyard!

[@joschuaknuppe5849]

I figured actually that you can become a good mentor to yourself by mentoring others, you have to think and talk about how you do things/deconstruct your own work to explain it, and in the process you learn a lot about yourself and the way you work but you can also better see the road ahead.

[@brettinabox5607]

Can confirm, have built a community and given hundreds of critiques without much actual art practice. The challenge is knowing when to let other people correct you and not give other's bad information or be stubborn.

[@catlookingdownonyou5465]

"One of the best way to study is with a friend" Too bad I don't have any friend that like drawing...

[@Vulkiri]

same ;-;

[@brettinabox5607]

Join a discord server! There are plenty of art communities that would love to connect with you

[@just_your_localguard9612]

Mine is fact I'm in middle of nowhere . No friends, no artist near me, nothing, unless I drive 4 hours to Community College.

[@catlookingdownonyou5465]

@@brettinabox5607 most of them draw digitaly while I draw traditional because I did not own a tablet, and I felt out of place since I mostly done practice drawing while they are doing some personal artwork

[@StormEngineer]

Find one! There are people wanting to be artists everywhere, one may live next door and you just don't know. Keep looking. Heck, put up an ad in the local newspaper. Be creative. Maybe there is nobody if you live in the middle of nowhere but it is worth a try. And in the same time, you can also find online art friends that you can chat with daily, share pictures, and so on.

[@foorya4556]

Sometimes its had to find local mentor, for me, as a beginner artist, 26, from 3rd world country, even those prices on patreon are pretty high. I feel like progressing in isolation will eventually caught up to me, hard times, but I wont give up!

[@FaithfulComforter]

How has your progress been?

[@elijahthane9493]

I finally bought Marshal’s video on white-boarding, then I bought 3 whiteboards! I use them all day everyday in the studio and don’t know how I worked through ideas before the whiteboard. Thanks again for making great videos and also to every artist in the comments. BUY A WHITEBOARD!!!

[@Lishtenbird]

I found that explicitly reflecting upon your progress in long written form after certain intervals helps identify you as an artist probably for yourself even more than for others. "What I did, what I achieved, what I didn't and why; what was happening around meanwhile, and how I feel about it," - that sort of thing. People nowadays often rush forward without looking back, but looking back at your past self is your most sincere piece of feedback.

[@Xavier-kw4bm]

Imagine doing a podcast with Marshall Vandruff.

[@StormEngineer]

Imagine doing a podcast with Stanislav "Proko" Prokopenko.

[@zaphill4346]

How do you two have a good relationship with each other (are you a mentor to each other)? How do you gain the confidence to get a mentor if you're introverted in nature and feel like you don't have nothing to offer (like a skill)?

[@alieenoir]

damn Proko 2.0 sounds like exactly what we need in our lifes ! I can't wait for it

[@carlosnavarrete1094]

I was there for TAD. I didn't appreciate it back in the days but it was a GREAT way to learn. The teachers were all great (Marshall being one of them), the students all were invested in learning. It was just an amazing experience that for personal reasons I had to drop out of. I keep trying to get a similar experience where I could do it in my own time but with the same structure, mentorship and community and it's been a challenge to recreate it. I wonder why it self-destructed.

[@1lestatthevampire]

I absolutely LOVE your podcasts and videos with Marshall, helps me improve my way of thinking , and to see things in a very different matter. Thank you both!

[@ArturoSketch]

God I can't wait to see proko 2.0, sounds so exciting

[@soonlovesartandpeace]

Love you guys and the show! Would love to see this show come out till the end of time... 👏🏻

[@karij8113]

I’ve taken art classes throughout my educational life (jr high, high school, and college). I think back on all of those art teachers very fondly. I feel blessed that I’ve had very enthusiastic and helpful people who have guided me in my art path. I can’t imagine what a bad experience as a student would be like. I would tell any student that has had a bad experience to not give up. That’s just one teacher. Move on and don’t lose your enthusiasm or dream! 😊

[@michaelroven5308]

You two make me want to move to SoCal just to study with you guys. Thank you both for reigniting my passion for art. Marshal and Stan are the best Teachers!!! Keep up the Awesome work!! :)

[@StormEngineer]

I've just listened to the Tipping point two weeks ago. I love it that Malcolm's audio-books I read by himself! I concluded that I'm the maven: I'm obsessed with learning and knowing about art and constantly feel the urge to share this knowledge and help others just for the sake of sharing. I'm just not very good at it right now because of burnout. :/ You Marshall and Stan are also mavens, and for example Bobby Chiu is the connector. (At least as your main type, since you can be all of them.) Right now we are living the time when the epidemic of "The second art renaissance" just tipped, and you guys all played an important role in it. So please keep doing what you do. :)

[@Ismaeelhummeid]

Funny Marshall spoke my mind. I have never had a mentor and had to be my own mentor. I do speak out loud and became my own mentor and therapist.

[@lydiac2221]

I would love online classes from Marshall

[@3FreddyKrueger]

I'm so excited for Proko 2.0 it sounds amazing!

[@lisafred1362]

I have had many teachers but Stan is the best. Why? He understands how people learn. He presents the figure, you draw a gesture with him.. and then you see how far "off" you are from his drawing. This method works wonders for me. The only criticism I have is there is no verbal explanations in the figure drawing course that explain "why" you chose to do this or that in a gesture. Stan, please in your new school, do the same method for landscapes. Show photos, do thumbnails and let us see what you have done. I need many many examples. Many people teach composition with long speeches and photos of masters, and this is fine for some people I guess. I have memorized the principles, but putting them on paper next to your work is the best way for me to learn. I don't need to send my work to someone who will charge me 100 bucks to critique a thumbnail. I know when I see yours next to mine what I did wrong.

[@pseudonamed]

I definitely saw in art school how many teachers will only give spare time to students they see as already especially talented. I think from their perspective they watch lots of students come and go and most of them they never see get very far after school. They put their energy into the occasional student they see the potential in. It's frustrating if you're not the chosen one, you feel like the people who get the most mentorship are the ones who need it the least.

[@mikepelosi9877]

Great episode. I think the mentorship model is actually reverting back to how art education flourished in Italy and France: working with an established master for x amount of time before branching out on your own. The cookie cutter approach found in most colleges can be a disservice and is cost prohibitive. However, it’s also cost prohibitive to spend years spending pennies on bad instruction when you could’ve spent a few pounds and greatly accelerated your progress. I wish there was a condensed resource to see who offers mentorship or pay-per-lesson via Patreon or something of that nature. I think most people go to college because they can get student loans. Eliminating or reducing that financial barrier so that someone making a low wage can still obtain high education through modern masters is the new Enlightenment.

[@drawingforce]

I've found mentorship works real well online. Been doing it now for the last 4 years with great results.

[@zcodec369]

Oh my god! It's Michael Mattesi!! I love your books. Gonna sub now.

[@triplxsix]

marshall's jeans look really quality

[@lisafred1362]

Stan, loved your figure drawing course.. especially the gestures portion. Wish in your school you could show three teachers' style gestures for each model. I would even buy second gesture course if you did that one all over again. I have memorized how you draw all the gestures so I need new material.

[@lisafred1362]

Stan, I love your courses because I can buy them and watch 10 min at a time if my brain is exploding. Marshall... I want so much to do your Bridgeman course, but will not buy anything that I have to be there at 2 pm ect for 3 hrs. I have ADD and I need 10 min teaching.. then 10 min to walk, exercise or do something else. I also have problems sitting or standing any length of time due to a physical problem. Please Marshall, think twice about recording your lessons so they can be played anytime. Love your perspective course mostly because I can replay the lessons when I don't understand. I am so happy I am understanding such a complex subject. If it were a live class I would be lost not even half way through...

[@santiagofelixmoran1800]

Oh no, Stan is thinking on implementing the Proko Algorithm! Let's hope its better than the KZbin algorithm

[@bloodypommelstudios7144]

If I was thinking of going to art school the possibility of really not liking the teacher would be my biggest concern. In year 9 my art teacher had everyone drawing leaves for 6 months. Maybe she had a good reason for this like getting us skilled with rendering, noticing how much variation there or maybe she thought we'd all have a new found appreciation for artistic freedom when she finally let us draw other things. Whatever it was it didn't work and there was zero communication as to why she was doing this. Absolutely killed my enjoyment of art for about 10 years.

[@Spiral_Dancer]

I attended a local college's visual art and illustration program, it's the only game in town as far as schools go without moving 3 hours or more away to a larger city (which I didn't have savings for). What I didn't know was that 5 teachers were working/career animators, and only 2 were illustrators. Needless to say, the animators taught what they know, and I feel after having graduated that I really missed out on a "real" illustration program. I wish I could tell EVERY applicant now to DO THEIR RESEARCH. If they're looking to become an illustrator, this is far from the best school.

[@GarmanyRachel]

Justin Donaldson has been a wonderful mentor, he gives clear but kind direction. A fellow student named Peter keeps me on my toes and points out all my BS lol. It's the most I have improved in my life!

[@PuppetMaster8707]

Legendary Thumbnail

[@alexeygarmash5819]

19:23 that’s an idea! 35:07 good explanation, had such a feelings a few times

[@artistsukh1127]

Damn marshal! Wasn't ready for that intro... 😂😂😂

[@onimanga5197]

I really like stans jacket in this one

[@mathiasragnarsson7393]

Are there any preliminary plans for when Proko 2.0 will launch? This summer? This year? Also, love your show!

[@andremoreau8390]

I'm genuine curious as the process to spending 100 hours on a single drawn piece.

[@abhijitdebnath4718]

After listening to your podcast... It feels kind of demotivating.. Because i release there's so much to learn am i be able to that much... Next episode you should talk about Mental health of artist

[@smithiesart1415]

When do we get Proko 2.0 again?

[@tiagodagostini]

I see a problem that happens not only in art, but in all fields. Current generation expects education to give them everything, the path all well weaved and perfect to make you a professional. High education was never about that ANYWHERE outside Medicine and Law. High education is about giving you opportunities to learn to learn, and to learn to seek your path.

[@thejakobistable]

I never saw that speaking to other students or people trying to improve but that might just be my anecdotal knowledge. I think the paradox of choice messes up some students that dont have enough direction.

[@nazauwu6431]

proko the radiation from your body seems to be affecting marshall he has started to adopt your sense of humor

[@gonzalo5162]

Off topic: just a few hours ago I realized that Stan and the guy from the caricature videos are two different individuals. Tfw 2 billion iq

[@zombiedrool5437]

This feels like the perfect place to comment and ask this,,, does anyone know a group online like a discord server or something that focuses about art improvement? Somewhere people could discuss and show improvement and studies etc

[@artbyflorina]

Zombie Drool same! i’m looking for something like this as well. if you’ve found one yet let me know! if not maybe we can start one?

[@cottoncandy3630]

A lot of the art youtubers have discords. Ethan Becker, Howard Whimhurst and Mohammed Agbadi are just a few from the top of my head. Sometimes, since they can pretty get pretty big, you can also find like minded people from there and make another discord group.

[@imlearninghowtodraw3250]

Are you adding any anatomy courses on Cubebrush? I see that the figure drawing course is on there but thr sections ate split up. I like it that because it's more affordable for me.

[@InterDesignOnline]

@Proko I heard you say there isn't much out there for mentorship or its hard to find on Patreon but there is a website dedicated to offering mentors. I won't mention the name here since you are trying to build something similar unless you actually want it.

[@xizorx4]

"Goddamn it, Marshall!"

[@heroiam4067]

Aaaaaand another episode on Proko’s App, great

[@shinkamui]

i mean, if you ignore 35 out of 40 minutes, yeah, they spoke like 5min about it and on the topic of mentorship even

[@heroiam4067]

Adriano and the rest is all leading up to it

[@ebrahimebrahimi710]

why is stan wearing a jacket and marshall a t-shirt? What month is this?

[@fredkeebler7820]

Does anyone know when Proko 2.0 is going to be available?

[@peterwurst6753]

love it

[@ReyZar666]

so there is a discord channel were ppl ask for help in their drawing/painting (digital ofc) and since they post it, what i did to help them was grabbint their drawing and correct them, and showing them their errors, most of the time were value, or anatomy errors, i just stop doing that since i wanna make 3d models for videogames, but hey if i get paid for helping ppl out, i would totally go back to 2d art np

[@karldarwin1253]

it will be great if Proko 2.0 has user account LEVEL CREDIBILITY system, professional credentials, and REWARD system for critiquing...

[@Baleandor]

Get Eric Canete and Brett Booth as mentors!

[@manehakobyan91]

who designs your video covers?

[@M3XYPZ]

best thumbnail

[@ladidadida0]

regarding proko 2.0, what happened to user testing/beta testing groups?

[@annaqura3360]

THAT OPENING. HOLY! What happened xD Where am I?

[@PNHassett]

You guys totally skip over the megalomania that caused the break up of TAD and Illustration Academy, not to mention Watts. I'm not sure you can avoid drama in a mentorship or academic program.

[@PNHassett]

As long as you accept the Prussian Industrial Plebe school philosophy of teaching, drama will probably never be avoided,

[@PNHassett]

In high school I encountered a kid that would constantly bully you, critique, yet when you questioned the bully they'd go ape shit on your ass.... that's megalomania, when you think you're beyond reproach and everyone beneath you is incapable of insight. Even if you as a student are wrong, what is the point of vindictive emotional blackmail? Your ego? The TAD debacle was more than bullying, led to paranoia and greed, not to mention cut and run leaving everybody high and dry.

[@andersdenkend]

Wow, what an ending?!

[@speedmetaljesus]

hello peeps, I'm teaching myself how to draw. Does anybody know how or where to get fast and regular feedback online of the drawing exercises that I do? I really need to get into the feedback loop

[@esersalazar5114]

Haha one of the best intros ever

[@BevvyIsTheBest]

Marshall has the hype

[@misominmiso]

You guys

[@KitKatWiffleBallBat]

*loud soup slurp* Mmmiso.

[@mightsnipe]

Wow the start of this podcast had some heavy cuts.

[@PrimoDirt]

Stan Prokopenko looks like Aaron Paul or Jesse Pinkman in Breaking Bad.

[@karou3205]

Well sorry guys but we're not all extroverts and that's not a "quality" we can develop, actually it's not even something you can change or control about yourself. It hurt to hear Marshall say that...

[@lesnacke]

I guess not everyone can end up having a mentor, just gotta work around it

[@steveabel]

I think what Marshall is describing is a folk school.

[@uber1015]

best art mentors to me: proko and ahmed aldoori

[@lenzaufdermaur5777]

Marshall go hulululhlllululy

[@markjohnson8607]

Ayeee

[@Nunyabeeswax777]

Hey please shout out Steve Huston’s new KZbin channel.

[@silschouten]

I really want art friends :/

[@laszloede4561]

These intros are getting more and more cringy... I love it!

[@scott-xg1il]

dont put your foot on table

[@BP-ok7qg]

Anybody wanna be my art mentor?

[@lightlawliet3526]

i think tiktok is the epitome of cringefest so i steer away from it but if marshal is there making silly stuff i might reconsider some life decisions.

[@Markerton]

You don't need an AI to correct your perspective when you're doing art via 3D

[@theunraveler]

Who is this Christian fellow?