DIY ROOF: RAFTER'S BIRD MOUTHS

[@Georges-MILLION]

Bonsoir les gars ! Je suis du début votre travail de maître ! Tout écrit en Anglais ... Puis j'ai vu l'immatriculation du 4 x 4 dans le 32 !!! Le pays des canards !!! En tout cas , chapeau ! Félicitations d'un admirateur du 38 ! Georges

[@eviebro6004]

This is a very high-quality well-prepared reference DVD which is . kzbin.infoUgkx-b91_bYU48sOwHX-XC49tRRXRxcnOmZm Ryan's Shed Plans are very easy to read with excellent illustrations. The author does a great job of explaining in easy to understand terms at just the right level for the average do-it-yourselfer. I highly recommend Ryan's Shed Plans.

[@stevenholton438]

Couldn't you have clamped a few rafters together and done the first cut with a skilsaw perhaps?

[@linajackson4545]

Agree with the others. Loving the workmanship and care with quality work

[@richardlongmore9301]

I have always liked the idea of notching the beams together. Taking a little notch out of boats beams where ever they cross and banging a nail straight through where they are notched together. Always hated a messy nail in the side

[@matthewbeville6675]

Your skills, work ethic and energy levels not to mention all the results are very inspiring. Your videos are addictive and very enjoyable. One question :- What wood are you using for the rafters, is it a type of Cedar?

[@wordimobi5765]

In France, probably pine.

[@MrSnibo]

Using oak for roof structures 👀You won't see much of this nowadays. Also, the thickness of wood used. This roof will outlive everyone who watches this video D:

[@75clarkejones]

Do you just use 2 nails to attach joist to wall plate as in video and what type of nails are used ? Screws be ok to use ? Thanks.

[@avidreader6097]

Wonderful! I’m wondering why you chose not to use the Saw for the second cut by changing the angle if it, but rather cut them by hand?

[@nathano2778]

Assuming the angle was too steep for his saw setup

[@DemoNiq]

so your miter saw cannot cut the beams to that angle? You had to use a manual saw? Or why did you do it that way?

[@onlyoneamong300]

I appreciate the work and the detail. The problem is that he didn't explain what's the angle of the bird mouth and how deep should the cut be. Most KZbin tutorials explain this detail very quickly while going back and forth measuring with the ruler and the straight edge. By the end of it you end up more confused than at the beginning of it. So I give up on bird mouth online! :) Next time I'll go to a carpenter so he can explain to me the measuring part of it directly. Thanks anyway and happy new year! 👍

[@reempire888]

Could you measure the angle of the other cut, use miter instead of hand?

[@DRJMF1]

thank you so much, GREAT TIPS using the mitre saw to cut bird mouths. Thanks for sharing.

[@fezs9027]

Why did he not mitre cut the other side of the rafter as opposed to using the saw?

[@OU8Aspark]

Can you cut both sides of the Bird Mouth with the Miter Saw?

[@E-E.ADVENTUREGEARS]

USE JAPANESE PULL SAW, IF YOU CAN GET ONE. IT WILL MAKE THINGS ALOT EASIER

[@tinaloveless4895]

Nice work. Looks good.

[@barrydewhirst3947]

How dose your template relate to other roofs or have u worked out hight distance and square the buildings your in seem to be early 1800s?

[@barrydewhirst3947]

Please excuse my comment I assumed the rafters were for your place

[@Canada4Israel]

Use old radial arm saw on edge to cut the Steep angle on the other end. 12" . No guard. Hand saw the remaining depth if required:)

[@robertodebeers2551]

Excellent work.

[@laurelen9]

What a surprise to discover your videos about the restoration of our former house! Good job but what a job! Congratulations! Your videos are good too :-). Darees Familly.

[@aoibheannnibhroin9951]

Oh, you found a fool who to sell your rotten house to. Now, when he fixed the roof, you are biting your fingers, thinking why you didn't ask cash a little bit more. You sold the house and leave the new owner alone!

[@travisthechimp7857]

Nice job on a great old building! I'm wondering if you guys added a second sistered rafter spanner & spacer block for the connection between old work and new?

[@dolphinliam888]

Nice work!

[@michaelgnaedinger5915]

Thank you for the video, it helps me a lot!

[@cdbfarm65]

Great work. Thank you for sharing.

[@juhajoksu7373]

What hammers do you use? And how long are those nails?

[@brainwashingdetergent4322]

Looks robust! Are you using such timbers to support the clay tile roof?

[@gregwarner3753]

That birds mouth is in the wrong direction. The hook part is there to prevent the rafter from sliding off the top plate. As shown it is only held on by the screw.

[@rtyrtyrtyus]

That's why you have joists.

[@denisnikolskiy6386]

awesome!!! so nice and clean!!! perfect!

[@TrinaBurmeister]

I have a top plate with a birdsmouth cut instead of the rafter. I've only found one that way so far. Is the reason pure dipshittery or have I missed something? Too bad it wont let me upload the photo.

[@whiteboy32607]

That method you speak of sounds like it Weakens the top plate.

[@thomasschafer7268]

In germany we say kerve for it. We have a machine for the process. Max deep is 3cm. If the roof is flat 2.5cm are enough.

[@Teem_Loots]

How come you're using nails instead is screws to attach the rafters?

[@Castor364]

My guess Nails stronger and most nails look reclaimed.

[@carlroge]

Screws are perfect for fixings where there isnt intended to be any movement. If theres too much movement, they are brittle and will snap. Nails on the other hand can adjust with the warping of the wood. In this case, the roof will 100% move as it dries/takes on weight - and so screws would fail.

[@Teem_Loots]

carlrogers right, totally makes sense, thanks for replying. I'm guessing you're using green wood?

[@carlroge]

Exactly, it would cost ten times more to get aged oak. This is green Douglas fir as it won't be see. If it were to be seen we would've used green oak - like we did for the a frames and purlins. Thanks for the comment!

[@rdmevX]

Thank you for the videos!

[@aggie7756]

Nice craftsmanship! Equally impressive is the ranch, the structures, and the surrounding landscape. Based on the vehicle's license plate tags, this looks to be in Italy? Very nice, I wish I could retire to a beautiful place like this.

[@bpdp379]

I saw in another video they said Southern France.

[@mariekefrohn8342]

France, le Gers

[@dariusmb]

Hi Carl, what is the reason you use nails instead of screws? Thanks!

[@75clarkejones]

I think nails are less likely to snap if stressed.

[@healing2gether]

Beautiful work! Subscribed

[@stephmo371]

You guys make all of this wood look like it's light af when it really isnt. And i don't mean just in this video. Like even the other vids with the beams an what not

[@filizozsandikcioglu3127]

Muhteşem yetenek paylaştığınız için teşekkürler.

[@waynet8327]

How do you measure to cut out so it would exactly sit on the beam?

[@teddybinette5755]

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[@Eastbaypisces]

how do you know how much to cut to put the rafters in like you did on the first one when you handed it up to the guy

[@olanieznane7208]

ABna ye

[@shalashaska615]

Why didn’t you just change the angle on your compound mitre saw?

[@a2thee270]

Probably too steep of a angle and you dont want to cut past your opposite angle. It weakens the board and can break the bird mouth. Alot of weight will be resting on that seat cut

[@Alamyst2011]

Doesnt go that far

[@baumstamm6129]

the mitre saw only goes to 45*

[@thabrooklynfellah]

There's saws who go way more than 45 just a thought

[@christianeguimaraes3675]

What is the perfect step height?

[@vladisartdesign7080]

Very good work

[@felixkuriaunage4283]

Good work father and son combination makes life easier

[@millcitymercantile]

I'm enjoying your videos. It's time for you to make more!

[@matholt1]

why didn't you full run the rafters?

[@carlroge]

good question. we didn't due to cost. getting rafters that spanned then entire length of the roof wouldve been somewhere near 15m. as these won't be seen, we split them into 2 runs to save money.

[@primalfury2011]

a bit sketchy.. but nice thick rafters for those roof tiles

[@dccandmlc]

How about a simple fixture on your miter saw to make that 2nd cut. Using a handsaw? Seems like a lot of time and effort for a less consistent cut, even with the speed increase in the video...

[@zephyr1408]

Just curious you ever sell all those little tool bags? Also do they sell a framing hammer in England? I believe those are ancient DIY hammers for like hanging pictures? I could be wrong? Amazing videos though I am hooked and subscribed!

[@katermikesch3023]

....Oettinger war dann doch der entscheidende BÖLKSTOFF? :-)

[@jimmytwizzle7836]

Is it treated timber? As it’s a necessity for prevention of insects, worm, carpenter ants etc?

[@ambilaevus7607]

Only if it's in contact with the ground is it required. I've been told treated lumber is not ok for interior framing due to off gassing of the chemicals however I've never dug to see if it's true; just been told by a bunch of people on different projects over the decades.

[@makena70danielmascas]

Excelent video! Like 👍 from România 😉 🍷

[@williamlewis8741]

greetings are you employing the the 10/6 method or the american 12/6 for the rise of the roof ?

[@carlroge]

Hey William, we had to follow the rise of the existing roof, so not sure exactly what it was. We ran a line from the apex to the new ring beam and used that as a guide

[@davegoddard5638]

Why would you use a large tipped marker pen to mark out the timbers??? A blunt handsaw.. And remove more than a third of the timber making it useless and prone to break under pressure??? Maybe different building techniques...🤯

[@RMMaryport]

Ever put a roof on?

[@davegoddard5638]

@@RMMaryport Only once or twice...

[@65895555]

Your location looks like the set of an old Clint Eastwood western movie.

[@romeomartinez685]

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[@romeomartinez685]

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[@andrewwalsh1652]

Great video - really enjoyed it and very informative and helpful.

[@Macron87]

Did I miss where the birds mouth angle came from?

[@adroid1127]

Lovely place you have there, nice project!

[@williamwoody7607]

Jeez I wish you’d called me, I’d have lent you a jig saw for that second cut.

[@michaelplays2449]

Great video, thanks

[@addisonduggan9551]

It looks good Carl. I have changed all my joists and after acrow propping the sagging rafters I have been able to insert struts to keep the shape. A lot of that is after watching how you guys have been working.

[@carlroge]

Great to hear that Addison! What's next on the agenda?

[@MGBUSHCRAFT]

Hola.Sr. qué ángulos le puso?

[@Tomhohenadel]

Wow, most of the work done by hand. Pneumatic nailers would be beneficial and impact drivers for long timberlock screws. Nice work, very exact

[@carlroge]

But that's the best bit!

[@carlroge]

Also the screws were getting to hot with the driver. Slower was safer

[@WelshRabbit]

Interesting nailing technique. Sounds like woodpeckers. Definitely not the Larry Haun style: two-whack (one to set and one to drive home) 16d nails.

[@constructionups5780]

Happy New year to you too, mate!

[@POPO-fy9hl]

Beautiful Craftsmanship

[@KingParisBuckingham]

Which country is this? Certainly not usa???

[@blue-sj4lk]

There’s always someone who thinks they’re a pro in the comments that believes the technique isn’t common practice yet the technique used will have the same effect 😂

[@zephyr1408]

Uh. Forget the tech i am a carpenter but just amazed at how they cut and framed that roof (I watched the full monte) with basically Old curved claw hammers with no “Arse , also know as ass” on it to frame with! That’s amazing!

[@josearredondo6979]

Por que no uso la sierra para aser el otro corte

[@carolynharper8331]

Beautiful workmanship. The sound effects of the sawing and nailing at high speed are hilarious. Thank you. How much is is a 4"x4"x8' post where you are?

[@sebastianstraub8910]

8 Canadian dollars where I come from

[@kiri5104]

Hienoa työtä Kyllä se sulta käy👍🇫🇮

[@WelshRabbit]

Where is that Mafell P1cc super-duper jig saw when you need it? Last month I had to cut 40 rafters. Hand sawing was "not going to cut it" -- literally as well as metaphorically.

[@chiwy909]

In what year the house was built?

[@ncatboiz8817]

Why are you not using a circular saw

[@gbwildlifeuk8269]

The birds mouth rests on the wall plate and when the roof goes on the weight pushes down and outward, which is correct. Your wall plate restraining straps prevent the wall plate lifting and twisting off. Or they would do, if they were fitted correctly! Your restraining straps are on the wrong side of the wall! They should be fastened on the inside.

[@brainwashingdetergent4322]

Can you share a time stamp where it’s easy for a layman to see what it is you a referring to.

[@retireearly7223]

Maybe alternating inside and out is optimal.

[@retireearly7223]

@@brainwashingdetergent4322 the restraint straps were installed in the prior video. Their the metal straps screwed into the wood plate on top of the cement (also nailed into the cement on the outside wall face. The commenter believes they should be lashed to the inside wall face. He may have a point. I would do both inside and outside.

[@marcosilva4660]

porque no hace los dos cortes con la maquina???????

[@kofmum9632]

Is the building in Italy?

[@colomacountry]

Thx for the vid. I think Medieval times if you were a bad boy you were sent to the basement to cut bird mouths...but at least you had a cold beer :)

[@8460437]

From the look of the construction the roof will last another few hundred years.

[@carlroge]

That's the plan sir!

[@connieworcester55]

love love, love,the old stone building, and the old beams.!! somewhere in France.??

[@carlroge]

Exactly, in the Gers region. The house is the old farmhouse in the village - some of it is older than the french revolution believe it or not!

[@alexeiouspenski5302]

Great job Carl!!! How long do you think would it take to do this job, if doing it full time?

[@mfsolutions]

Lots of comments about the 2nd (shallow angle) cuts you did with the handsaw. There is no way to cut these with a mitre or skill saw (to that depth). In Canada pretty well everyone has a chainsaw (and a few know how to use them) I would have done the second cut with the chainsaw.... OR a reciprocating saw with a wide and long coarse blade.

[@carlroge]

yeah nice idea. one thing i like about hand saw is the workout!

[@carsongoodman5581]

Sawzall can do it

[@mfsolutions]

@@carsongoodman5581 we call sawzalls reciprocating saws because it sounds cool.

[@carsongoodman5581]

Gregory Dalton hahah any recip saw is a sawzall and a circular saw is skill saw in my book. Mitre saw is a chop saw😂

[@matingpamathew1986]

How to measure the bird mouth please help

[@arinaivanova7005]

hallo, what is dimentions of the rafters

[@carlroge]

good question. from what i remember maybe 125mm x 75mm

[@celsogamarra6360]

No toman terere?

[@AntonioPerez-hv1lp]

Beautiful place!! That my kind of architectures!! ;:-)).

[@mikeday4399]

Why not mitre the bigger cut and handsaw the smaller cut? Why not run them all through one angle then change the angle on the mitre and run them all through again? Both options would of been quicker lol.

[@carlroge]

angle's too accute for chop saw

[@incorrect1844]

Straps should be fitted from the inside not the outside

[@tonebrooker7675]

real cutting edge stuff here

[@carlroge]

👏🏼

[@excelcsllc]

tone brooker Old school yes!!! Cutting edge??? not so much in here!!!

[@Acheiropoietos]

I saw what you did there.

[@talon501]

Definitely not old school... Ida got kicked off the job real quick if the bossman saw me using a clamp to get a toenail to line up. lol

[@Adrianbacon-c9q]

Nice video, invest in a paslode!

[@carlosbah4623]

Genial.¡Gracias por compartir!

[@carlosta3049]

It took you a very long time to cut those by hand when you can just align and slice them with the circular saw at once

[@2Casual]

Bro what country are you in? It is beautiful!

[@romainhtw5250]

He is in France, car's plates are registered in 'Gers', south west of France.

[@patrickhayes3099]

Is am surprised that local historical codes allow modern materials, I assumed you'd have to follow the norms for when original building was constructed

[@Dominic-jb1uf]

Nice work.

[@carlroge]

Thank you sir

[@ajmalshabir4089]

This video is only for professionals.

[@art1muz13]

SUCH A GREAT TEAM. WHERE ARE YOU GUYS IN RELATION TO THE PLANET?

[@bpdp379]

I saw another video that said they are in France.

[@formagginialtamar885]

Bello lavoro amico.

[@ДёняКосцов]

А поменять угол на стусле ?

[@guwop2234]

do they not have timberloks in europe? looks nice but u guys are way too slow

[@billk6952]

You didnt explain anything..????

[@ilayisaevich78]

Привет) твоему трудолюбию и большому количеству полезных навыков можно позавидовать! Great job man!