DIY ROOF: RAFTER'S BIRD MOUTHS

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Possibly the most satisfiying part of the roof yet.... installing the rafters. Due to the width of the roof, we had to use 2 rafters rather than 1. Bottom rafter needed Bird's Mouths cut so as to rest on the wall plate installed way back when. As long as you keep the depth and angle roughly the same throughout, it's fairly simple. Once nailed to the wall plate, we cut off the ugly feet. Once started, these when up really quickly, mostly down to a lot of measuring in earlier stages.
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[@dickster44]

Your skill and accuracy with the hand saw amazes me.

[@eviebro6004]

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[@Georges-MILLION]

Bonsoir les gars ! Je suis du début votre travail de maître ! Tout écrit en Anglais ... Puis j'ai vu l'immatriculation du 4 x 4 dans le 32 !!! Le pays des canards !!! En tout cas , chapeau ! Félicitations d'un admirateur du 38 ! Georges

[@travisthechimp7857]

Nice job on a great old building! I'm wondering if you guys added a second sistered rafter spanner & spacer block for the connection between old work and new?

[@addisonduggan9551]

It looks good Carl. I have changed all my joists and after acrow propping the sagging rafters I have been able to insert struts to keep the shape. A lot of that is after watching how you guys have been working.

[@carlroge]

Great to hear that Addison! What's next on the agenda?

[@DRJMF1]

thank you so much, GREAT TIPS using the mitre saw to cut bird mouths. Thanks for sharing.

[@BernardAguiar]

I'm enjoying your videos. It's time for you to make more!

[@felixkuriaunage4283]

Good work father and son combination makes life easier

[@darrenkastl8160]

Love the sticky note!! Lol!

[@edymolina2801]

Lol

[@filizozsandikcioglu3127]

Muhteşem yetenek paylaştığınız için teşekkürler.

[@POPO-fy9hl]

Beautiful Craftsmanship

[@adroid1127]

Lovely place you have there, nice project!

[@stevenholton438]

Couldn't you have clamped a few rafters together and done the first cut with a skilsaw perhaps?

[@linajackson4545]

Agree with the others. Loving the workmanship and care with quality work

[@denisnikolskiy6386]

awesome!!! so nice and clean!!! perfect!

[@constructionups5780]

Happy New year to you too, mate!

[@robertodebeers2551]

Excellent work.

[@reempire888]

Could you measure the angle of the other cut, use miter instead of hand?

[@Canada4Israel]

Use old radial arm saw on edge to cut the Steep angle on the other end. 12" . No guard. Hand saw the remaining depth if required:)

[@alexeiouspenski5302]

Great job Carl!!! How long do you think would it take to do this job, if doing it full time?

[@richardlongmore9301]

I have always liked the idea of notching the beams together. Taking a little notch out of boats beams where ever they cross and banging a nail straight through where they are notched together. Always hated a messy nail in the side

[@dolphinliam888]

Nice work!

[@cdbfarm65]

Great work. Thank you for sharing.

[@matthewbeville6675]

Your skills, work ethic and energy levels not to mention all the results are very inspiring. Your videos are addictive and very enjoyable. One question :- What wood are you using for the rafters, is it a type of Cedar?

[@wordimobi5765]

In France, probably pine.

[@brainwashingdetergent4322]

Looks robust! Are you using such timbers to support the clay tile roof?

[@Dominic-jb1uf]

Nice work.

[@carlroge]

Thank you sir

[@NorduvalDelmondes]

belo trabalho amigo parabens

[@MrSnibo]

Using oak for roof structures 👀You won't see much of this nowadays. Also, the thickness of wood used. This roof will outlive everyone who watches this video D:

[@michaelgnaedinger5915]

Thank you for the video, it helps me a lot!

[@gabrielgonzales8163]

buenos videos construccion work#1

[@vladisartdesign7080]

Very good work

[@AntonioPerez-hv1lp]

Beautiful place!! That my kind of architectures!! ;:-)).

[@carlosbah4623]

Genial.¡Gracias por compartir!

[@johncourtneidge]

Thank-you

[@egilvanpires840]

Um Belo trabalho 👏👏👏

[@tonebrooker7675]

real cutting edge stuff here

[@carlroge]

👏🏼

[@excelcsllc]

tone brooker Old school yes!!! Cutting edge??? not so much in here!!!

[@Acheiropoietos]

I saw what you did there.

[@501talon]

Definitely not old school... Ida got kicked off the job real quick if the bossman saw me using a clamp to get a toenail to line up. lol

[@mostafaroma6981]

Good work m'y friend

[@WelshRabbit]

Ah, making like Peter Mayle's "Year in Provence" in the Aquitaine?

[@carolynharper8331]

Beautiful workmanship. The sound effects of the sawing and nailing at high speed are hilarious. Thank you. How much is is a 4"x4"x8' post where you are?

[@sebastianstraub8910]

8 Canadian dollars where I come from

[@aggie7756]

Nice craftsmanship! Equally impressive is the ranch, the structures, and the surrounding landscape. Based on the vehicle's license plate tags, this looks to be in Italy? Very nice, I wish I could retire to a beautiful place like this.

[@bpdp379]

I saw in another video they said Southern France.

[@mariekefrohn8342]

France, le Gers

[@jussarapenhaborges1955]

Sempre fico fascinada com trabalhos em madeira.

[@johnycharlitte459]

Saludo amigita

[@healing2gether]

Beautiful work! Subscribed

[@stephmo371]

You guys make all of this wood look like it's light af when it really isnt. And i don't mean just in this video. Like even the other vids with the beams an what not

[@afieds6845]

Like the beer

[@laurelen9]

What a surprise to discover your videos about the restoration of our former house! Good job but what a job! Congratulations! Your videos are good too :-). Darees Familly.

[@aoibheannnibhroin9951]

Oh, you found a fool who to sell your rotten house to. Now, when he fixed the roof, you are biting your fingers, thinking why you didn't ask cash a little bit more. You sold the house and leave the new owner alone!

[@michaelplays2449]

Great video, thanks

[@barrydewhirst3947]

How dose your template relate to other roofs or have u worked out hight distance and square the buildings your in seem to be early 1800s?

[@barrydewhirst3947]

Please excuse my comment I assumed the rafters were for your place

[@Prorab261]

See how Larry Hon makes the house, it shows in detail how quickly and easier to prepare the rafters

[@WelshRabbit]

That Larry Haun -- one whack from Larry and the nail disappears into the wood. He was the master of the worm-drive circular saw.

[@onlyoneamong300]

I appreciate the work and the detail. The problem is that he didn't explain what's the angle of the bird mouth and how deep should the cut be. Most KZbin tutorials explain this detail very quickly while going back and forth measuring with the ruler and the straight edge. By the end of it you end up more confused than at the beginning of it. So I give up on bird mouth online! :) Next time I'll go to a carpenter so he can explain to me the measuring part of it directly. Thanks anyway and happy new year! 👍

[@colomacountry]

Thx for the vid. I think Medieval times if you were a bad boy you were sent to the basement to cut bird mouths...but at least you had a cold beer :)

[@eatmeskivys]

Now that's work , I saw a portable band saw that would have made short work out of those beams

[@fredgrosso1657]

Me too. I saw a guy on an episode of This Old House using one to cut the designed shapes on the ends of the big beams for a pergola. It worked awesome!

[@connieworcester55]

love love, love,the old stone building, and the old beams.!! somewhere in France.??

[@carlroge]

Exactly, in the Gers region. The house is the old farmhouse in the village - some of it is older than the french revolution believe it or not!

[@hasankarabulut3429]

wow simple business thanks

[@a2thee270]

Like alot of the skills. Using it and retaining it come from practice practice practice. I built house with my fathers company since I was knee high. Alot of stuff you can forget. But the key is doing it til it becomes second nature. Dad said he could rebuild the word when that time comes. And I bet he could. Smart man without a high school diploma. Very successful business man

[@formagginialtamar885]

Bello lavoro amico.

[@dickster44]

Great videos. They're addictive. Are those nails through the birds mouth really sufficient to hold all the downward and outward pressure loads from the heavy tile roof?

[@bethmorano1452]

I agree.

[@Eastbaypisces]

how do you know how much to cut to put the rafters in like you did on the first one when you handed it up to the guy

[@olanieznane7208]

ABna ye

[@zephyr1408]

Just curious you ever sell all those little tool bags? Also do they sell a framing hammer in England? I believe those are ancient DIY hammers for like hanging pictures? I could be wrong? Amazing videos though I am hooked and subscribed!

[@mariagonzalezpiquer8899]

Me encara tu trabajo

[@dccandmlc]

How about a simple fixture on your miter saw to make that 2nd cut. Using a handsaw? Seems like a lot of time and effort for a less consistent cut, even with the speed increase in the video...

[@65895555]

Your location looks like the set of an old Clint Eastwood western movie.

[@romeomartinez685]

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[@romeomartinez685]

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[@makena70danielmascas]

Excelent video! Like 👍 from România 😉 🍷

[@thomasschafer7268]

In germany we say kerve for it. We have a machine for the process. Max deep is 3cm. If the roof is flat 2.5cm are enough.

[@fezs9027]

Why did he not mitre cut the other side of the rafter as opposed to using the saw?

[@andrewwalsh1652]

Great video - really enjoyed it and very informative and helpful.

[@user-sx7tf4lg5i]

I have a top plate with a birdsmouth cut instead of the rafter. I've only found one that way so far. Is the reason pure dipshittery or have I missed something? Too bad it wont let me upload the photo.

[@whiteboy32607]

That method you speak of sounds like it Weakens the top plate.

[@williamlewis8741]

greetings are you employing the the 10/6 method or the american 12/6 for the rise of the roof ?

[@carlroge]

Hey William, we had to follow the rise of the existing roof, so not sure exactly what it was. We ran a line from the apex to the new ring beam and used that as a guide

[@WelshRabbit]

Interesting nailing technique. Sounds like woodpeckers. Definitely not the Larry Haun style: two-whack (one to set and one to drive home) 16d nails.

[@gregwarner3753]

That birds mouth is in the wrong direction. The hook part is there to prevent the rafter from sliding off the top plate. As shown it is only held on by the screw.

[@rtyrtyrtyus]

That's why you have joists.

[@8460437]

From the look of the construction the roof will last another few hundred years.

[@carlroge]

That's the plan sir!

[@gabrielgonzales8163]

construccion trabajo#1

[@WelshRabbit]

Where is that Mafell P1cc super-duper jig saw when you need it? Last month I had to cut 40 rafters. Hand sawing was "not going to cut it" -- literally as well as metaphorically.

[@kiri5104]

Hienoa työtä Kyllä se sulta käy👍🇫🇮

[@75clarkejones]

Do you just use 2 nails to attach joist to wall plate as in video and what type of nails are used ? Screws be ok to use ? Thanks.

[@mfsolutions]

Lots of comments about the 2nd (shallow angle) cuts you did with the handsaw. There is no way to cut these with a mitre or skill saw (to that depth). In Canada pretty well everyone has a chainsaw (and a few know how to use them) I would have done the second cut with the chainsaw.... OR a reciprocating saw with a wide and long coarse blade.

[@carlroge]

yeah nice idea. one thing i like about hand saw is the workout!

[@carsongoodman5581]

Sawzall can do it

[@mfsolutions]

@@carsongoodman5581 we call sawzalls reciprocating saws because it sounds cool.

[@carsongoodman5581]

Gregory Dalton hahah any recip saw is a sawzall and a circular saw is skill saw in my book. Mitre saw is a chop saw😂

[@antoniocarlospereira3538]

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[@kofmum9632]

Is the building in Italy?

[@chiwy909]

In what year the house was built?

[@avidreader6097]

Wonderful! I’m wondering why you chose not to use the Saw for the second cut by changing the angle if it, but rather cut them by hand?

[@nathano2778]

Assuming the angle was too steep for his saw setup

[@Tomhohenadel]

Wow, most of the work done by hand. Pneumatic nailers would be beneficial and impact drivers for long timberlock screws. Nice work, very exact

[@carlroge]

But that's the best bit!

[@carlroge]

Also the screws were getting to hot with the driver. Slower was safer

[@nonamebeforesuccess1047]

hero designer thanks you give us achance

[@freddyaudreyolinga1621]

Cool

[@rawkrentals]

How come you're using nails instead is screws to attach the rafters?

[@Castor364]

My guess Nails stronger and most nails look reclaimed.

[@carlroge]

Screws are perfect for fixings where there isnt intended to be any movement. If theres too much movement, they are brittle and will snap. Nails on the other hand can adjust with the warping of the wood. In this case, the roof will 100% move as it dries/takes on weight - and so screws would fail.

[@rawkrentals]

carlrogers right, totally makes sense, thanks for replying. I'm guessing you're using green wood?

[@carlroge]

Exactly, it would cost ten times more to get aged oak. This is green Douglas fir as it won't be see. If it were to be seen we would've used green oak - like we did for the a frames and purlins. Thanks for the comment!

[@rdmevX]

Thank you for the videos!

[@williamwoody7607]

Jeez I wish you’d called me, I’d have lent you a jig saw for that second cut.

[@juhajoksu7373]

What hammers do you use? And how long are those nails?

[@jimmytwizzle7836]

Is it treated timber? As it’s a necessity for prevention of insects, worm, carpenter ants etc?

[@ambilaevus7607]

Only if it's in contact with the ground is it required. I've been told treated lumber is not ok for interior framing due to off gassing of the chemicals however I've never dug to see if it's true; just been told by a bunch of people on different projects over the decades.

[@danstine4440]

You saw so quick haha, this made me laugh. Good job though

[@christophevaurs3107]

C'est de la restauration à l'anglaise cela fait peur .( la liaison entre l'alba , le chevron et la panne ).

[@christophevaurs3107]

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[@MrSammotube]

Vous devriez élaborer ...

[@hansfritz9180]

Good Boy. I need you here in Germany! :D

[@hansfritz9180]

@@rabiel7797 Haha....

[@patrickhayes3099]

There are hundreds of journeyman carpenters in Germany working to become master carpenters. They work cheap and will not disappoint. I had a few projects in NorCal and we had at least 10 spend a summer with us.

[@hansfritz9180]

@@patrickhayes3099 My posting should be ironic, dear Patrick!

[@hansfritz9180]

Oh du hast mich durchschaut!

[@patrickhayes3099]

@@hansfritz9180 oops, I missed the irony. Tee hee, I was about to connect you with pals who are master carpenters in Deutschland. Keep up the humor & irony training Bruder.

[@matholt1]

why didn't you full run the rafters?

[@carlroge]

good question. we didn't due to cost. getting rafters that spanned then entire length of the roof wouldve been somewhere near 15m. as these won't be seen, we split them into 2 runs to save money.

[@primalfury2011]

a bit sketchy.. but nice thick rafters for those roof tiles

[@DemoNiq]

so your miter saw cannot cut the beams to that angle? You had to use a manual saw? Or why did you do it that way?

[@dariusmb]

Hi Carl, what is the reason you use nails instead of screws? Thanks!

[@75clarkejones]

I think nails are less likely to snap if stressed.

[@ilayisaevich78]

Привет) твоему трудолюбию и большому количеству полезных навыков можно позавидовать! Great job man!

[@blue-sj4lk]

There’s always someone who thinks they’re a pro in the comments that believes the technique isn’t common practice yet the technique used will have the same effect 😂

[@zephyr1408]

Uh. Forget the tech i am a carpenter but just amazed at how they cut and framed that roof (I watched the full monte) with basically Old curved claw hammers with no “Arse , also know as ass” on it to frame with! That’s amazing!

[@OU8Aspark]

Can you cut both sides of the Bird Mouth with the Miter Saw?

[@art1muz13]

SUCH A GREAT TEAM. WHERE ARE YOU GUYS IN RELATION TO THE PLANET?

[@bpdp379]

I saw another video that said they are in France.

[@GiC7]

Nice

[@ajones8699]

Even making sure the rafters are the right way up...

[@carlroge]

Well what rafter would wanna be upside down?! 😱

[@LeerparaCrear]

¡Great!

[@KeckerErt]

Der Oettinger Kasten xD

[@geraldobarbosa5262]

muito bom