DIY room air filter experiment

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3 жыл бұрын

While pondering buying a HEPA style air filter for my bedroom, I noticed that there wasn't much info on the availability of replacement air filters for many of the units being sold on eBay.
I started looking at general purpose filters and discovered tests had been done on various household materials to determine their effectiveness as filters for emergency mask use.
Some of the most effective filter materials were paper towels, coffee filters and other similar random-lay wood fibre materials.
Research suggests that standard kitchen paper towel may be capable of filtering around 95% of 1 micron and larger particles. Given that dust tends to range from 1-100 microns and mould/mold spores are roughly 4-20 microns in size it suggests that a simple piece of kitchen towel or multi-ply toilet tissue could theoretically be used as a cheap disposable filter.
Do not use paper as a fan filter on a computer. They require coarse high airflow filters to keep things like fluff and hair out.
I designed a prototype 3D printed housing (can also be made without a 3D printer) using a standard low power illuminated 120mm computer fan to pull air through a layer of paper towel. It relies on a low volume flow of air to hold the filter in place on a platten and filter it slowly and continuously. It does this with almost no noise and an extremely low power consumption.
This is an ongoing test. Let me know what you think of it.
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@BaconSniffer578
@BaconSniffer578 3 жыл бұрын
Weigh the paper then leave it running for a week and then weigh it again. Would be interesting to see how much it collects
@SwissPGO
@SwissPGO 3 жыл бұрын
you'd have to do it in a very controlled atmosphere, or you would be measuring the moisture absorbed by the paper.
@EKUL34
@EKUL34 3 жыл бұрын
@@SwissPGO or you just have another piece that sits next to it as a control
@gasdive
@gasdive 3 жыл бұрын
You can just look at it and see the dust.
@lesto12321
@lesto12321 3 жыл бұрын
@@gasdive agree, i remember like a decade ago living in the city over a trafficated road and leaving the clothes out to dry, if you leave them 3-4 days you could see the whites starting to became gray..
@dogwalker666
@dogwalker666 3 жыл бұрын
@@lesto12321 when I was a kid if you left clothes out to dry they would turn red. The steel works has been demolished now.
@VK6NK
@VK6NK 3 жыл бұрын
"Always going to be available from your local supermarket..." 🤣 Oh, how quickly we forget.
@HelloKittyFanMan.
@HelloKittyFanMan. 3 жыл бұрын
Haha, yep, just from a year ago of this video!
@Zoso14892
@Zoso14892 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair in Scotland we had very few problems, I'd imagine there'd be even less on the Isle of Mann. That said I did chuckle at that lol
@Axodus
@Axodus 3 жыл бұрын
No, that was caused by idiots bulk buying the paper for no reason, if everyone bought it at normal levels it never would've happened, all toilet paper production is done locally in basically all countries, there was never going to be a shortage.
@HelloKittyFanMan.
@HelloKittyFanMan. 3 жыл бұрын
@@Axodus: Regardless of the reason, or if it's even a good one, the shortage still happened, obviously.
@Axodus
@Axodus 3 жыл бұрын
@@HelloKittyFanMan. the cause of the issue was stupidity; because some people don't understand the absolute basics of logistics.
@goldenpun5592
@goldenpun5592 3 жыл бұрын
Just imagining Big-HEPA knocking on your door telling you to knock this off right now.
@tylersutton2216
@tylersutton2216 3 жыл бұрын
lol
@OttawaOldFart
@OttawaOldFart 3 жыл бұрын
or giving him loads of money to take down the video
@dirkbruere
@dirkbruere 3 жыл бұрын
Patron philosopher of engineering - Mediocrates: "It's good enough"
@jasondoller9875
@jasondoller9875 3 жыл бұрын
In engineering, good enough is perfect.
@nandodando9695
@nandodando9695 3 жыл бұрын
Maths is always true, but physics is what we interact with even if there is magic, and engineering is leveraging the difference between them for use. Perfection is the enemy of the good.
@richsackett3423
@richsackett3423 3 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to use the Mediocrates riff.
@Sparky_D
@Sparky_D 3 жыл бұрын
I'd set it up with a spool to hold a whole roll of toilet paper, then have a servo to auto feed one sheet a day across the fan
@farmersteve129
@farmersteve129 3 жыл бұрын
Was thinking the same...
@peterbrown6224
@peterbrown6224 3 жыл бұрын
You could collect the sheets and use the clean side as dunny paper, adjusting the servo's speed according to your diet.
@rogersmith9808
@rogersmith9808 3 жыл бұрын
Beat me to it. Have the servo drive so slow that it would move approx. one sheet of paper across the surface of the fan per day! 👍💨
@Sparky_D
@Sparky_D 3 жыл бұрын
@@rogersmith9808 well I was actually thinking of just zipping a full sheet across at a set time of day. Pause the fan for a few seconds first, should be sweet
@esunayg
@esunayg 3 жыл бұрын
Best idea
@deelkar
@deelkar 3 жыл бұрын
Also if you want to buy fans for any filter application get "high static pressure" fans, which are quite popular with the PC watercooling community, and thus available at a reasonable price
@That_Handle
@That_Handle 3 жыл бұрын
🤔🤷‍♂️
@DingleFlop
@DingleFlop 3 жыл бұрын
They're optimized to deal with the restricted airflow of radiators that can be 40mm thick, or even more depending on the type. The lattice pattern inside them is quite restrictive, but that's how the heat gets transferred out.
@steveoddlers9696
@steveoddlers9696 3 жыл бұрын
Agree, Arctic P12 is a reasonably good one and quite cheap.
@bknesheim
@bknesheim 3 жыл бұрын
A problem is that HSP fans are rather noisy and power hungry.
@JBLewis
@JBLewis 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that I saw that Corsair had fans optimized for high static pressure and fans optimize for volume.
@penfold7800
@penfold7800 3 жыл бұрын
The only problem you are going to find is that Toilet tissue actually sheds particles of itself, so as your device draws in air and filters out dust and dead skin out of the air, it is replacing that with paper particles instead.
@iwannabeanarwhal
@iwannabeanarwhal 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many wood particles you can breathe a day before it becomes a problem. edit: actually the problem would probably be the chemicals used to treat the paper, specially for expensive toilet paper...
@11brandonminer
@11brandonminer 3 жыл бұрын
@@iwannabeanarwhal That's the reason we a 1/2 ply household. No chemicals on these booties
@MayankJairaj
@MayankJairaj 2 жыл бұрын
@@iwannabeanarwhal so does this mean if we use toilet paper that is unbleached (and eco friendly, which is sold a lot at niche shops) this could be a viable alternative? I do have a pm 2.5 sensor I'll test this out myself wrt cadr etc
@whodis5774
@whodis5774 2 жыл бұрын
@@MayankJairaj any updates
@LazerLord10
@LazerLord10 3 жыл бұрын
I have one of those HEPA units,. and an important piece of the puzzle for filters is that there is a very coarse (open) filter that catches large dust bunnies. It's almost just a fine mesh, but it can be cleaned out with compressed air. It does most of the work, and it makes the HEPA last way longer. If you just put that mesh for the fan in front of the filter, it would catch most things. But given that the main filter is just kitchen roll, there's no need for 2-stage filtering, really.
@ckm-mkc
@ckm-mkc 3 жыл бұрын
Same with mine. The material looks like a foam sponge....
@gmt-yt
@gmt-yt 3 жыл бұрын
"Carbon pre-filter" is the magic keyword... but, as you point out, this will complicate our design, as we wouldn't want one of those scratchy pre-filters directly touching the paper towel, lest the pre-filter take bits of the paper towel with it, ruining the benefits of both. Real HEPA filters are somehow not prone to releasing fibers in this way, which is probably one of their benefits (maybe putting our paper-towels in a "sack" of some kind could fix this, but now we have to clean or replace the stupid sack....)
@BryanHancocks
@BryanHancocks 3 жыл бұрын
It's kitchen roll. a large particle pre-filter is unnecessary to prolong the life of the micron filter. The carbon pre-filter is an odour control and not part of the design. I too use a HEPA filter that is a noisy fan ("SilentNight"). It takes about an hour to filter a singlebed bedroom. Nobody seems to be mentioning that the volume of airflow is pretty important to the effectiveness of "cleaning a room". Bedrooms are not sealed boxes and dust settles. Even if this didn't work as well as a noisy high volume HEPA fan, placing it near an open window to pull down the pollen and road pollutants seems like a great idea. Or even blocked into the open window itself. Catch it before it falls on the bed linen. Low power, constant use. Great idea.
@yanuehara8017
@yanuehara8017 3 жыл бұрын
Well, having a metal mesh would mean less waste, which, if this idea does spread, means way less waste over time.
@groundzero_-lm4md
@groundzero_-lm4md 3 жыл бұрын
I use the same principal with my camping water filter. I use a coffee filter before the main filter to get some of the larger particles out and it makes the filter last way longer.
@ObsoleteVodka
@ObsoleteVodka 3 жыл бұрын
There's this channel called GamersNexus dedicated to thoroughly test all sorts of computer hardware including fans and cases. One of the things they have demonstrated in several videos is how filters (or any similar materials) positioned right next to the fan decreases airflow drastically, so it's a good idea to have some space between the fan and the filter.
@blahorgaslisk7763
@blahorgaslisk7763 3 жыл бұрын
@Tamamo We're everywhere...
@acrodrigues1
@acrodrigues1 3 жыл бұрын
@Tamamo Oh but here are some!
@AndirHon
@AndirHon 3 жыл бұрын
@Tamamo Bless Tech Jesus
@Lagittaja
@Lagittaja 3 жыл бұрын
All hail Tech Jesus
@thegittubaba
@thegittubaba 3 жыл бұрын
Followers of tech jesus is everywhere :3
@albanana683
@albanana683 3 жыл бұрын
A couple of comments. I like the idea of the void, and making it round. If you were using a smaller fan, or didn't mind an increase in overall size, you could make the top plate larger than the fan diameter and engineer a venturi effect with a shaped chamber. When testing, you could use one of your smoke machines which would generate obvious particles for showing the effectiveness of different paper types, also it should indicate how much air is directly recirculated because of the top/bottom pressure difference and how long it would take to cycle through the air in the whole room.
@dosgos
@dosgos 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome tips.
@timteecvhn
@timteecvhn 3 жыл бұрын
Basically Major Hardware style effectively. tho he tests fan blade designs mostly. But definitely a good idea.
@CantCampThereMate
@CantCampThereMate 3 жыл бұрын
According to youtube, you posted this comment a week ago :S
@VekhGaming
@VekhGaming 3 жыл бұрын
@@CantCampThereMate Thats because Patreon-supporters get early access I assume.
@TimeFlyBy
@TimeFlyBy 3 жыл бұрын
I don't believe the Venturi effect has any application with this kind of contraption the way you may think.
@Aco747lyte
@Aco747lyte 3 жыл бұрын
I made mine using an existing 7inch fan and a circular HEPA carbon activator filter taped in front, and it works brilliantly. I bought two filters on offer for £14.99 so have a spare. The air in my little office is much cleaner and I breathe easier. I have asthma, so this DIY came out very well. I used 2in wide tape to get a good air seal, switched on my fan and bingo! It works very well. There is a video showing a 12inch box fan, and all you'll need is a furnace HEP filter and a roll of 2in tape, and it's made in 5 minutes, and that works very well because my friend made one. So it's worth doing, and satisfying for saving £££ by making it ourself. I love all your videos, Clive. Don't change being the great bloke you are. I've learnt so much from your vids. You cheer me up, too!
@mattzelonka1189
@mattzelonka1189 3 жыл бұрын
I use a disposable mask for the filter material in a small filter I have. It is not a hepa filter but it works incredibly well and has good flow.
@StreuB1
@StreuB1 3 жыл бұрын
The "buffer zone" as you call it, is called a "Plenum." :-) Nice design!!!
@f.f.s.d.o.a.7294
@f.f.s.d.o.a.7294 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, like engine intake manifolds.
@cheater00
@cheater00 3 жыл бұрын
@@f.f.s.d.o.a.7294 nice to know, thanks!
@chrissnyder2091
@chrissnyder2091 3 жыл бұрын
I think having a similar plenum on the bottom with Vents in the sides to direct the airflow not down but out 360°
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 3 жыл бұрын
Funny how the same word is used for the giant void above lowered ceilings, with Americans referring to cables rated for fire in such voids as "plenum cables".
@cheater00
@cheater00 3 жыл бұрын
@@johndododoe1411 it's because it's actually a place fans exhaust to in data centers. A void in the ceiling that carries hot air towards exhaust and also fits cables. Those cables need to sustain continuous boiling heat and obviously need to be fire retardant, also because you can't have burnable stuff above head level where it could fall on you in a fire.
@tituscassiusseverus6303
@tituscassiusseverus6303 3 жыл бұрын
Red lights calming, that's what I'll tell my passengers in a traffic jam 😁
@Mark1024MAK
@Mark1024MAK 3 жыл бұрын
Unless you’ve just blatantly driven through some red traffic lights...!!!
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 3 жыл бұрын
Tell that to the military, who use red light in rooms where soldiers and sailors ready themselves for storming out into night combat (official explanation is that the eyes in that light will accomodate to the outside darkness, but one has to wonder what they quietly found out about aggression, as the lighting has apparently been extended to groups that won't exit into the night.
@firehog
@firehog 3 жыл бұрын
Train conductor here, me too! My passengers are going to love me... or lynch me. LOL
@ZacabebOTG
@ZacabebOTG 3 жыл бұрын
I spent some time in a darkroom when learning photography in the mid '90s, and the dim red light felt quite strange to work in. When stepping out of the darkroom, everything felt super bright and cyan tinted for 15 minutes. It was weird.
@firehog
@firehog 3 жыл бұрын
@@ZacabebOTG hahhahaha I know! I did some work like that as a trainee. It was the weirdest feeling.
@MrMarty77
@MrMarty77 3 жыл бұрын
I have a pc running in my garage 24/7. To dust proof it, I built it in a car tyre with a car air intake filter as sole air inlet. I run 3 fans as exit. 2 are mounted on the 120mm aio watercooler. Every few months, I blow that filter clean with an air compressor, and when I do maintenance on my car I replace it with the car's old filter. So far it's worked great! I had no idea that paper towels were that good though. I might utilise that knowledge when I upgrade my home office's air circulation.
@fluffyblue4006
@fluffyblue4006 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent idea. Thank you for the inspiration. I like the dirt-cheap filter-medium concept of using tissue rolls. Couple of suggestions: Add a good length of clothes dryer exhaust hose to the exhaust side of this filter. That will prevent ineffectiveness problem of exhaust air looping back into the input. Use an exhaust plenum with hose attachment cylinder on the side and the fan mount on the top. The air intake / filter-medium-holder could consist of a cube shape. You'll have 5 sides for filter-medium and the bottom side for the fan. Drawback is that you will be needing something to hold the sheets in place, because your fan will only start to hold them in place when all 5 are in place. This shape would eliminate the need for an intake plenum. I'll start with a test rig, which will later be converted to a portable solder fume filter on Li-ion. If you're interested in experimenting with different kinds of fans and their static pressures and you don't have any pressure measuring equipment, may I suggest a good length of transparent aquarium bubbler tube. Fix the end of it in a vertically oriented U-shape. Put some water in that U-shape. Liquid levels in the legs of the U are equal, unless you apply slight pressure or vacuum to the other end of that tube. Set a ruler next to it, so you can put a number on the fan's performance. You can print your plenums with test ports where you can attach this pressure test tube, or just drill a hole in an existing plenum. Don't forget to plug the holes when not measuring.
@wb5mct
@wb5mct 3 жыл бұрын
Random thoughts on your project: First of all I really like what you are doing! The void will serve to even the air flow across the entire area. From tests I have run on bus radiators I can tell you that the velocity across the diameter of a fan varies a lot, even reversing direction near the center. Personally I like the square grid in your current design. It supports the filter well and produces little blockage of the filter area. If you have access to a sensitive balance you can measure the efficiency of various design elements by weighing the filter before and after use to see how much mass is collected. Probably should place samples in a box warmed by a lamp to assure dryness before weighing, and run a "control" filter unit to account for variation in cleanliness of the air. I'm looking fotward to hearing your results!
@Svensholmensvanner
@Svensholmensvanner 3 жыл бұрын
I did this a few years ago with a bathroom fan and a round HEPA filter used for vacuum cleaner (those bucket kind of vacuum cleaners had perfect size filter for the fan). No 3D printing needed, just zip-tied them together. It's ugly but really works. Filters are cheap and available anywhere
@That_Handle
@That_Handle 3 жыл бұрын
👍
@jaro6985
@jaro6985 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, something like Levoit 300 HEPA filter, xiaomi, etc. they will perfectly fit a 120mm fan on top. There are even some Ali sellers selling the filter + fan + PSU combo with an adapter plate.
@That_Handle
@That_Handle 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaro6985 , [Noted] 👍
@HelloKittyFanMan.
@HelloKittyFanMan. 3 жыл бұрын
"...And they're always gonna be available from your local supermarket." Q2, 2020: "Hold my beer!"
@LazerLord10
@LazerLord10 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if having a tapered area for the filter would help? Like have a larger filter than the fan, and have ducting that adapts it. Or have a corrugated mount that lets you put more surface area of kitchen roll on the front, which would help increase airflow.
@jonathanmathews8496
@jonathanmathews8496 3 жыл бұрын
Those are 3d prints that are available online actually. And they are super easy to model. Even something like a 200mm fan to 120mm fan adaptor could work wonders.
@Weissenschenkel
@Weissenschenkel 3 жыл бұрын
A venturi would help to suck air in efficiently, up to some extent.
@mckayver1306
@mckayver1306 3 жыл бұрын
I came here to say this and you beat me to it.
@jpdemer5
@jpdemer5 3 жыл бұрын
A cylindrical filter holder would do the trick, without having to deal with sealing the edges of a corrugated holder. The vacuum created by the fan should still be enough to hold the paper in place.
@punker4Real
@punker4Real 3 жыл бұрын
just go to the store and buy a real filter then cut it this is what i do for my A/C vents to double up the filtering (i use clear tape to attach it ) it's pre corrugated the second filter gets dirty as well
@rutgerhoutdijk3547
@rutgerhoutdijk3547 3 жыл бұрын
You could make a device that uses a roll of toilet paper and slowly pulls it across the fan opening, like a casette tape. It could run permanently for a year without touching it.
@BrucesWorldofStuff
@BrucesWorldofStuff 3 жыл бұрын
I like it! :-) LLAP
@julianhoad5784
@julianhoad5784 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a Great idea.
@Keneo1
@Keneo1 3 жыл бұрын
That would mean you have a reservoir filled with mold growing on it? You should add a way of automatically getting rid of the used toilet paper, e.g. flushing it down a drain or so...
@keithking1985
@keithking1985 3 жыл бұрын
that's a very good idea..
@keithking1985
@keithking1985 3 жыл бұрын
@@Keneo1 have it roll onto another roll enclosed top and bottom so they are not exposed to the outside air except when its rolling across the fan..
@nascar20970
@nascar20970 3 жыл бұрын
I use Swiffer dust pads on / over my filters to pre-filter the dust so the real filters last longer. It's amazing how much dust they capture.
@MMuraseofSandvich
@MMuraseofSandvich 3 жыл бұрын
Same! Also with cut pantyhose to minimize Swiffer fibers from getting into the computer.
@That_Handle
@That_Handle 3 жыл бұрын
@@MMuraseofSandvich , Interesting application 👍
@Kinnikinnick
@Kinnikinnick 3 жыл бұрын
What about microscopic life on the surface of filters though, I may be wrong but aren't these filters perfect feeding and breeding grounds for them as you're pulling their food from air in one convenient spot. In that regard regularly putting filters inside hot chamber with hydrogen peroxide seems like a good idea to me.
@Dingbat217
@Dingbat217 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kinnikinnick It depends on the humidity in the room and if you room is humid enough for the media to get wet enough that moulds and mildews can grow on it with a constant draft across it then you probably have much bigger problems. :-) Moulds and mildews grows well on humid areas because there's no airflow across it helping the surface to dry out, that's why you mostly only see it in poor ventilated areas of a room like in corners and behind furniture and so on. Ventilate the room better and it will go away.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dingbat217 With this device, airflow won't be across the surface, but into it. Mold spores and microbes will be intentionally gathered and retained by the airflow, making it a matter of nourishment supply in the form of moisture, dust and discarded skincells.
@24680kong
@24680kong 3 жыл бұрын
Having the void makes a lot of sense. Another thought: More cross sectional area is definitely better because of the decreased pressure drop needed to flow air through it. This is why most commercial filters have the wavy-shape instead of being flat. Similar to how a large pipe won't have as much pressure drop as a small one (assuming flow rate is constant). Or alternatively, a large pipe will allow more flow rate than a smaller one if the pressure drop is the same. You might even consider extending the height upwards into a square and putting 4 openings on the side with their own sheet of toilet paper. So you would have 5 openings instead of one: one on the top and 4 on the sides. But it would make it bigger in size and it might cause more recirculation.
@felixhb12
@felixhb12 3 жыл бұрын
You should make a plate that has magents where it meets the screws on the filter case so you can put the paper between them and turn off your computer without the paper falling.
@deitz6854
@deitz6854 3 жыл бұрын
I was just looking up ways to tone down the amount of dust in my bedroom and now you’ve made this video. Your timing is impeccable.
@Mark1024MAK
@Mark1024MAK 3 жыл бұрын
Around 90% of dust in a home is dead skin cells from the humans and pets in the home...
@HMPirates
@HMPirates 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mark1024MAK this has been debunked a number of times.
@ianbertenshaw4350
@ianbertenshaw4350 3 жыл бұрын
@@HMPirates 80-90% of the dust in your bedroom is dead skin , the rest of the house would have more dust from outside due to airflow and people dragging in dust as they enter the house .
@HMPirates
@HMPirates 3 жыл бұрын
@Martin Shepherd yeah, that's seems about right.
@girlsdrinkfeck
@girlsdrinkfeck 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mark1024MAK if 90% of your dust is dead skin, u need to shower more often
@darthslackus499
@darthslackus499 3 жыл бұрын
I save used dryer sheets from when I do laundry, then I affix them to the back of my computer air intakes as filters. It collects dust pretty well and makes my room smell nice too. I change them once a week, and I can see the dusts collected and do noticed my bedroom has less dust as a result.
@umxrr8677
@umxrr8677 3 жыл бұрын
Also a cleaner pc, win win!
@darthslackus499
@darthslackus499 3 жыл бұрын
@@umxrr8677 Ya, I forgot I initially did it to keep the inside of my desktop from getting too much dusts. lol
@LCRusso997
@LCRusso997 3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit sir you are a genius.
@volactic8495
@volactic8495 3 жыл бұрын
I thought I was the only one that did this...
@jpdemer5
@jpdemer5 3 жыл бұрын
Did you notice the components running hotter as a result? Unless the enclosure is greatly over-ventilated to start with, I'd expect some loss of cooling.
@ozzymandius666
@ozzymandius666 3 жыл бұрын
The paper towel as a filter idea is genius. I've seen little 8" and 12 inch filters for hvac use, and they're about $6-$10 each, good for 90 days, thought of making a similar thing with those...but this seems to be cheaper and much more convenient. Maybe come up with a way to mount the fan horizontally, stick a few ionizer electrodes before the filter, louvres on the output side, and one of your nifty 3-d printed lamps on top. Actually, all sorts of potential. You are a real gentleman for sharing this little stroke of genius.
@MRCNC1967
@MRCNC1967 3 жыл бұрын
Nice idea! It's small enough to sit on a night stand, creates a little light, a little white noise and filters too. The toilet paper or paper towel concept works from ease of use and maintenance. At work we buy filter media in rolls but that's not something your average household would be able to buy easily.
3 жыл бұрын
Another way to measure efficiency of the filtering could be use one of those PM2.5 sensors that you can buy on eBay, to count particles in the room before and after certain amount of time with the fan running.
@That_Handle
@That_Handle 3 жыл бұрын
Checking those out. Thanks for the recommendation.👍
@XD-nj7bc
@XD-nj7bc 3 жыл бұрын
Good Idea!
@chris7868
@chris7868 3 жыл бұрын
They're accurate but for whatever reason the 2 I got from 2 different vendors had the same internal fan failure. They have a tiny 1cm square fan inside that is absurdly expensive to replace and a pain in the ass to repair
@getyourkicksagain
@getyourkicksagain 3 жыл бұрын
I like this. Place it on the floor in one corner of the room. Have it blow through some ducting and direct it to an adjacent corner of the room, near the ceiling. Have a tiny ozone generator on a periodic timer near the exhaust vent. Then have an ioniser near the ceiling, over the fan. The room is now like an efficient aquarium filter!
@markfergerson2145
@markfergerson2145 3 жыл бұрын
Or, have the fan blowing *up* instead of down, so the suction of the fan holds the paper on. You'd know it was time to change the paper when it fell off because it was too clogged to allow airflow through it...
@herrkulor3771
@herrkulor3771 3 жыл бұрын
@@markfergerson2145 when clogged it should hold it much firmer. Just imagine the extremes. Put plastic bag with 0 airflow and it will stick extreme.
@rolfs2165
@rolfs2165 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure I'd put it on the floor, though. Wouldn't it pick up a lot more dirt there than, say, at head height?
@johnmorgan1629
@johnmorgan1629 3 жыл бұрын
Turning rooms into human aquariums, sounds fishy to me!
@emilivanov5272
@emilivanov5272 3 жыл бұрын
@@rolfs2165 Well, its purpose is to pick as much dirt it can.... I would be concerned when it start to blow dirt from floor into thr air, if floor is kind of dirty
@_.tallman
@_.tallman 3 жыл бұрын
Red light in the bedroom is a good idea because when you shut it off, your eyes adjust to the darkness quicker than other colors.
@heyarno
@heyarno 3 жыл бұрын
I built something similar and use it for years now. Originally intended for soldering, I ended up never turning off some of them. In case I open my window on new years, those filters clean the room in less than a minute when I have them on full blast. One version uses a fin grid array on the output and that helps to direct the air in the direction it blows into. A unaided fan will blow most to the sides, as that is where the centrifugal force throws the air. Your idea to space the fan and the filter is pretty good. When the filter sits close, most of the air will just go in through the centre of the filter and the sides will stay clean. With a spacer like yours, the filter is used more evenly and will last longer. Maybe you can build a tower like spacer that allows for filters on the side, so the bigger filter area makes it easier for the fan to pull air through.
@MarkGarth
@MarkGarth 3 жыл бұрын
Some of the HVAC specialists on this channel would probably be best able to advise on the location and size of a plenum.
@That_Handle
@That_Handle 3 жыл бұрын
👍
@seanb3516
@seanb3516 3 жыл бұрын
Yo BC, You gotta do an EP (Electrostatic Precipitator) Filter video. High voltage...you know you want to. :D
@MrJinXiao
@MrJinXiao 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, this is my professional/academic background. Your intuition is spot on - a "buffer" will produce a more laminar flow with a more consistent pressure differential, drawing more air through the filter more efficiently. To be honest, though, that airflow isn't nearly enough for a room, unless the room is absolutely tiny and you never open a door. Dust is created and circulated constantly - A 90%+ efficiency is great and all, but a tenth the efficiency at 10 times the airflow has the same effect on the air quality of the room. Also, you may find paper towel better than TP, which may produce a lot of paper dust/lint due to its softness.
@hivolt55
@hivolt55 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Clive, I worked for a computer company in the 1980's and this company felt that that office minicomputers were more useful than mainframe computers in computer rooms. Of course one of the issues was fan noise. An article was written in an internal company newsletter that pointed out that a big fan at a lower speed was much more quiet than a small fan running a a higher speed but moved a similar amount of air. Many experiments were done with geometry of the fan blades but in general the biggest issue for noise was the velocity of the fan blades measured at the tips of the blades. I propose that the you build a bigger holder that can accommodate paper towels and a slow large fan. On the bottom of the holder build in a horn (similar to a speaker horn) to direct the exiting air away from the top of the unit and also to direct it into the room so that unfiltered air in the room is mixed with filtered air and then returned to the input of the fan. You can try different paper towels for a known period of time and weigh them to determine how well the filter is cleaning the air. If someone else had similar comments, please excuse the duplication. I also suggest Wikipedia Ducted Fan and Ducted Propeller articles.
@DinJaevel
@DinJaevel 3 жыл бұрын
Even if it fails as an airfilter, it's at least a perfect way to dry your toilet tissue!
@Mark1024MAK
@Mark1024MAK 3 жыл бұрын
Are you saying that you reuse yours!
@robc4191
@robc4191 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mark1024MAK yeah, by the third use you just gotta dry it out.
@assassinlexx1993
@assassinlexx1993 3 жыл бұрын
I just flip it over for the second use. But keep a corner clean. So you clean under your finger nail.
@kimvibk9242
@kimvibk9242 3 жыл бұрын
Nice one...you almost had me spitting out my coffee! 😂☕
@Marksetter
@Marksetter 3 жыл бұрын
I hear that the market for pre-loved toilet paper is as yet unbelievably untapped, as is the market for teflon toilet tissue.... go for it lads
@tobbleboii5988
@tobbleboii5988 3 жыл бұрын
11:11 "(toilet paper) is always gonna be available in your local super market" yeah, bout that... loved the video! I've built my own battery-powered charcoal-filter for soldering and it's the best one i've ever used! Quiet, portable, elegant, compact. If you're into soldering, i highly recommend you build one yourself. It's a fun weekend project and is good for your health. Also, once you've soldered with a fume extractor, you never wanna go back :D
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 3 жыл бұрын
But i like the smell of solder in the morning.
@ealingbadger
@ealingbadger 3 жыл бұрын
Ditto! (I'm pretty sure somebody declared that snorting rosin like this caused cancer but then even HP sauce causes cancer... if you dip the rat in it for weeks...)
@tobbleboii5988
@tobbleboii5988 3 жыл бұрын
@@stargazer7644 same here :D but since i've gone mostly lead-free i gotta say it doesn't smell nearly as good. I've got some natural flux my parents found in a tree tho, which smells really nice ^^ (fume extractors still rule.)
@volactic8495
@volactic8495 3 жыл бұрын
I have an air purifier from a company called Idylis. It's one of those whole room purifiers and in the instruction book for it literally says to just buy carbon and HEPA filters in large sheets and just cut it to fit inside the machine
@Thuddster
@Thuddster 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video, BC! Several comments to make: 1. You absolutely do want that space between the fan and the filter media. This space is called a 'plenum' in the HVAC/aerodynamics world. For one thing, a plenum keeps the filter media away from the individual 'pulses' of air pressure that are created by each fan blade as it passes a(ny) given point on the intake-side just above the blade path (and thus, avoiding a 'fluttering' effect). But mainly it increases efficiency, as when the filter media is held just above the fan blades (as your multi-hole plenum-less design would do) the fan motor hub blocks any airflow through the filter media area directly in front of the fan hub. Depending on the hub size relative to the overall fan diameter, this can be 10% or more of the filter surface area. Using a plenum lets the entire filter media surface area flow air, so it is less restrictive, filters more air per minute, and better uses the whole filter media. 2. consider using a very coarse wire mesh instead of the grid of PLA in your design, to support the filter media. The diameter, spacing, and total count of the grid supporting the media will have a major effect on the total airflow, a small effect on the noise, and will affect the filter media use (big fat grid lattice blocks any airflow through the grid supports themselves; the wire in a wire mesh is usually round in cross-section, so less restrictive than a flat plastic cross-section). It is (always?) a tradeoff in adequate filter media support vs airflow restriction/media blocking. 3. The tiny little clear rubber/silicone 'buttons' you have used for the feet on your prototype are a bit too small, and probably too stiff, to best isolate any fan vibrations. I'd use a softer silicone/rubber foot, that is thicker (taller) and softer for that. FWIW, I've been using a good ol' 20" 3-speed box fan cheapie for room air filtering. I made a simple frame of 1/2" square-section wood, with a chicken wire mesh stapled to it to support the paper towel (2-ply, only the best! lol) filter media, for room-scale air filtering. I just use a couple pieces of gorilla tape to hold the frame on the intake of the box fan. WAY cheaper than using OTC HEPA filters. I keep one running 24/7 on low speed, to tame the kitty-litter dust menace in my cats litter box area, and it works great. Pro Tip: When you go to change out the filter, first unplug the fan, and then use a spray bottle with water to lightly spray the filter media BEFORE you disturb the filter. That way, the dust/pollen/yuck stays stuck to the filter paper and doesn't just get back into the air from handling. Really helps. Tip#2: If you need to filter out a room really quickly, take the filter into another room and spray just a little Endust (or similar dusting agent) onto the filter before returning the filter to the desired room and running the fan. It makes the filter extra sticky to dust and really loads it up quicker...make sure whatever dusting agent you use, is pleasing and not full of irritating chemicals if you are sensitive to those. Love your channel, always interesting. You Scotch-re-distiller-you! :-)
@StubbyPhillips
@StubbyPhillips 3 жыл бұрын
You should buy the "extra soft" loosely rolled toilet paper so you can have the privilege of paying twice the price for half as much.
@AAAyyyGGG
@AAAyyyGGG 3 жыл бұрын
I got caught out by a certain 'quality' toilet paper maker's products appearing in one of the cheap supermarkets. The inner cardboard roll was much bigger than their normal products, therefore less sheets, hence the cheaper price...
@jmonsted
@jmonsted 3 жыл бұрын
Real men use sandpaper.
@dangerotterisrea
@dangerotterisrea 3 жыл бұрын
@@jmonsted wire wool!
@Lagggerengineering
@Lagggerengineering 3 жыл бұрын
@@dangerotterisrea Toilet brush!
@Pyxis10
@Pyxis10 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lagggerengineering Cacti.
@tituscassiusseverus6303
@tituscassiusseverus6303 3 жыл бұрын
Now we know who's been hoarding all the toilet paper 🤣. Wish I'd seen this last week just spent out on a mid range hepa filter, oh well when the filter needs replacing I know what to do.
@ianwright6502
@ianwright6502 3 жыл бұрын
I wondered if this would start another toilet paper shortage!
@DrDAC-go7hs
@DrDAC-go7hs 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. My girlfriend is allergic to pollen and recently we invested in an air purifier. It's really just a big fan with 4 different filters for dust, pollen and other particles as well as some kind of sensor for air pollution levels. The filters are very expensive, so hearing that paper towel is an effective air filter is very interesting indeed.
@GNARGNARHEAD
@GNARGNARHEAD 3 жыл бұрын
air quality is no joke, I like it, and am looking forward to seeing your progress :)
@rasmis
@rasmis 3 жыл бұрын
For the next iteration, I'd consider automatic replacement of the filter. Imagine ancient scrolls. But motorized. So you'd install a new roll of toilet paper once a month.
@dcallan812
@dcallan812 3 жыл бұрын
Great idea, and if it wound is self back onto a roll you could use it for the intended purposes too. 😱 🤣👍
@dosgos
@dosgos 3 жыл бұрын
Challenge is not redistributing the dirt from the old filter back into the room.
@dbatch2826
@dbatch2826 3 жыл бұрын
We use an air monitor at work that functions exactly as you've described. It takes a representative sample continuously for 31 days.
@getyourkicksagain
@getyourkicksagain 3 жыл бұрын
@rasmis That is genius! Maybe a synchronous motor but geared externally so low that a single sheet passes by per day.
@kiefac
@kiefac 3 жыл бұрын
@@dosgos maybe a container with a slot that holds the used "filters"? Like a paper shredder without the shredder. Or with the shredder, but I think that would just launch the particles in the air (though it may help cut down on the volume the paper takes up?). For the motorized setup, I think a stepper motor would work better than a geared synchronous motor. Would be more expensive than a single motor and a power supply, and it would have to be controlled externally (arduino micro?), but I think the fact you wouldn't have to find or print some sort of gearbox would make up for that. Also, if you wanted to use paper towels for their presumed better filtering ability than toilet paper, you could probably just saw them down to around the same width. Then it would last even longer, you'd get 2 or 3 rolls for the price of 1. Finally, I wonder if an ionizer attached to this would help. It would at least help collect the bigger dust particles, but I'm not sure of the efficacy on microbes.
@justintimber5058
@justintimber5058 3 жыл бұрын
I would recommend to enlarge the air void further. The so called air void (duct) smooths the turbulence produced by the suction above the fan blades. And it elevates the suction power if it is made longer. I would experiment with a double that long air void. Even I propose to place a taper shaped air distribution / guide below the fan that smooths the out flow of the air to the sides. A apron like air guide at the edge of the outlet pointing some degrees downward can reduce the feed back to the intake. All these thoughts are to smooths the air flow out of the fan. Less turbulence more efficiency. That's my two cents.
@catfish552
@catfish552 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent! I had a vague idea like this some time ago, but it didn't get any further than salvaging some old computer fans. Now I'll have to actually build something! Paper tissues as filters are brilliant, that's a part I wasn't sure how to solve.
@louisgilliland6617
@louisgilliland6617 3 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing idea, please do an update video after testing it. To see how much it can filter, how often you replace the filters
@dosgos
@dosgos 3 жыл бұрын
There is some good DIY air filter advice at a site called air-purifier-power. DIY ideas on foam prefilters, reusable activated carbon, bulk filter medium...
@gamingenius
@gamingenius 3 жыл бұрын
You should build an automated roller so that you can stick an entire roll of toilet paper on it and have it cycle one sheet per day/week/month. That way you don't have to deal with it until the roll is empty.
@COBARHORSE1
@COBARHORSE1 3 жыл бұрын
At work we have huge HEPA filters that do exactly that. It's controlled by a pressure switch, and will advance the paper when it's clogged sufficiently. For the toilet roll, a small motor geared down to very slowly advance the paper should work.
@elvinhaak
@elvinhaak 3 жыл бұрын
Better yet: make a roll on the other side that rolls up. When after 50 days or so the roll is full (and the other empty), carry it to the toilet to use it for its main perpose. Actually, when adding a slowly turning system like a clock-motor to roll it up, you have a fresh filter-replacement all day long.
@paulgray1318
@paulgray1318 3 жыл бұрын
Then you would have a used roll that would still have other uses, not that I can think of one - but the second hand toilet roll market is one of those untapped markets just awaiting for a suitable product. Edit add - could glue them to back of some cardboard and sell as nano-particle fine sanding paper - tada :)
@userPrehistoricman
@userPrehistoricman 3 жыл бұрын
@@elvinhaak that would just make the bathroom very dusty
@IsmaelEscobedo
@IsmaelEscobedo 3 жыл бұрын
Paul Gray could be very useful for compost for the garden or lawn
@diymaster1121
@diymaster1121 3 жыл бұрын
Funny thing is I was just thinking about making an air filter unit because I have a lot of dust in my room... And now you upload this lol. If this works you saved me a lot of money in filters.
@adamdavies6248
@adamdavies6248 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic idea! Really good for the home mycologist too, as running something like this in a room wood decrease the risk of contamination by mold spores, and also filter any oyster/lions main/etc spores which aren't to good to breath in too! fab idea! Thanks! 😃😃
@fluffycritter
@fluffycritter 3 жыл бұрын
I would think the air void would help if only because it'd do a better job of distributing the air pressure across the whole filter. It probably doesn't need to be very deep though.
3 жыл бұрын
I would've liked to see the paper after being in use for a few days.
@Citizen5000
@Citizen5000 3 жыл бұрын
Used TP tends to be yellow or brown, not sure how it looks after a week of constant use but it would prolly smell awful.
@tylersutton2216
@tylersutton2216 3 жыл бұрын
me too
@HelloKittyFanMan.
@HelloKittyFanMan. 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on what type of use! 💩
@richardbrobeck2384
@richardbrobeck2384 3 жыл бұрын
What nice simple design Clive !
@marksterling8286
@marksterling8286 3 жыл бұрын
Looks really interesting and anything that can help keep dust down is good for me. More video please
@ZeedijkMike
@ZeedijkMike 3 жыл бұрын
Nice project. I use kitchen towel as "filter" in my robot vacuum cleaner. Works better than the original fiber version - and as you point out, easy to replace. I think the bigger/larger distance between inlet and outlet the better circulation of new (dirty) air. Less air short circuit.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, use a HVAC pipe or put it in the center of large furniture like a couch or table.
@calumthomson2108
@calumthomson2108 3 жыл бұрын
“You can always get it from your local supermarket” March 2020 - “We’ll see about that”
@spikekent
@spikekent 3 жыл бұрын
Clive thats brilliant, I never thought paper towel would be any good for filtering. I think the Air Void is a good idea, if nothing else, it will reduce the recirculation a little. I'm thinking this would be perfect for capturing dust therefore reducing the frequency of the need to dust the furniture too. Looking forward to more on this ingenious project.
@triplefret
@triplefret 3 жыл бұрын
Nice build Clive, I have been doing something similar for soldering using recycled fans - 12v fans run at 5v are quiet, and benefit from being stacked to increase pressure differential. I started using N95 vacuum cleaner bags to make masks when they were unobtainable, and the offcuts from that are perfect for this purpose.
@larrywilliams8010
@larrywilliams8010 3 жыл бұрын
I remember eons ago an ashtray that had a fan and filter built in. It worked best if you didn't actually use the ashtray. And didn't smoke.
@jamesplotkin4674
@jamesplotkin4674 3 жыл бұрын
My Da had one and all it did was to spread filthy smells throughout the room toward anyone near. Didn't come with a charcoal filter.
@garbleduser
@garbleduser 3 жыл бұрын
Use two plates forcing convolutions into the filter paper to increase surface area!
@nunyabinniss201
@nunyabinniss201 3 жыл бұрын
Ok Clive, you finally tickled my synapses to the point I just had to jump up and respond. In a past life I was a flowbench pilot, and have had my digits in many a port and orifii (word?) trying to get the best out of whatever was thrown at me. Just remember....you asked ;) I would use the bigger fan, but only after chasing around the edges of the fan blades with a sharp x-acto blade to trim off any and all molding flash and imperfections. Radius any blunt or sharp edges. Even do the same to the inside of the housing, anywhere air will travel past a corner or edge. Also your idea for a plenum (air void, in Clivanese) is a good one, as the blades would create pulses passing so close to the twalet paper, resulting in possible additional noise (turbulence). Less turbulence = less noise. A plenum is basically a reservoir, of air in this case, and air does 'stretch', so any pulses or noise may be lessened being further away from the aforementioned square of butt tape above it. Also, a round housing to match the diameter of the fan blades would help with aerodynamics, as the air wouldn't have anything to 'crash' into...yep, turbulence and noise again. Also would possibly increase the flow volume slightly, not having to fight with the air that just crashed into the square corners on a round inlet. Having a tapered, or funnel-shape, to the round plenum would smooth things out even more, with the entrance being larger than the bottom. Possibly with a round fan grate found on many computer cases. Round wire will flow a bit more smoothly than a squared-off grid as you have currently. Also it would allow a larger piece of bunghole buffer to be set on top, increasing the swept area of the filter, while also being less restrictive...and allowing even more air in. I could keep going, but I've already started to put myself to sleep. Best of luck on this development project, and remember to keep your thumb away from the filter...nobody likes a hole in their TP. Salutations from the southeastern Michigan swamplands.
@williamharlan1714
@williamharlan1714 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Clive... I love your videos, you clearly explain and keep the time efficient! On this project I like the side draft as the more effective unit. The design with circles might lesson airflow with more solid material around the holes than just the cross hatch pattern. It might clog the filter media quicker. and you probably won't see the pattern with the paper on it. Thank you for all the research you do for us.
@akkudakkupl
@akkudakkupl 3 жыл бұрын
The thing with HEPA filters is that they positively bind the particles inside so when you are changing it you are not releasing the particles back into the room 😁
@teslatrooper
@teslatrooper 3 жыл бұрын
Remove the toilet paper with a vacuum cleaner, any dust coming off will be sucked with it.
@windshield11
@windshield11 3 жыл бұрын
@@teslatrooper but how good is your vacuum cleaners filter? Are water ones as good as paper or what?
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 3 жыл бұрын
You’re a sucker for marketing wank. How does a hepa filter magically do that?
@lightweight1974
@lightweight1974 3 жыл бұрын
You work for big HEPA I see.
@akkudakkupl
@akkudakkupl 3 жыл бұрын
@@lightweight1974 Nah, I just work in industrial maintenance :D
@goofybrained6929
@goofybrained6929 3 жыл бұрын
What you designed is perfect for a bench solder sucker.. pulls away from face and the circulation would be perfect. Try that and see what flux etc is gathered. I concur with Mark Garth.. use your HVAC friends and have a plenum review. (Just had a flash of five bearded wonders with overhead spot light on tiny fan all smoking cigars and pondering). Also you can by bulk HEPA and MERV filtration media, but can also take apart a low MERV comercial filter.. sometimes cheaper.. like a 3M filtrete and 'take it to bits' . I like the idea of just having it suck the media - at least for bench and like an electronics room filters. easy to change when you think of it.. have a slot on side for media. haha could also print one for bathroom and have TP roll pull over fan :/ ? dual use - first filter then err no waste anyways)
@petebowcott8348
@petebowcott8348 3 жыл бұрын
Great idea Clive, Thanks
@brianmasson2120
@brianmasson2120 3 жыл бұрын
Back in the early days of home PC water cooling a company sold an acrylic air void for the radiator (car heater core) that actually made a big improvement in cooling because we didn’t have fans designed to deal with the airflow restrictions of a radiator. I think this is a really good idea and would love to see a single or even dual 12cm fan housing, as there are many 12cm fans available that handle static pressure much better without making a ton of noise
@henrybecker2842
@henrybecker2842 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Clive, Very smart idea IMHO I think it makes sense to have a cavity as you designed. I think the cavity will negate or absorb any turbulence at the surface of the spinning fan .
@ForTheBirbs
@ForTheBirbs 3 жыл бұрын
While the multiple circular holes are aesthetic I think the first version with the cross bars would be better. The air flow of the "holy" one would be restricted as less open surface area.
@BRUXXUS
@BRUXXUS 3 жыл бұрын
Hexagons would also be a decent choice
@strehlow
@strehlow 3 жыл бұрын
You won't see the holes when the filter is in place anyway, so just matching the wall of the fan as closely as possible for support and a seal would be best.
@ponemark
@ponemark 3 жыл бұрын
Good idea Clive, would never have thought paper towel could be that effective. An old speaker cabinet comes to mind for a unit as we all dont have 3d printers.
@railgap
@railgap 3 жыл бұрын
FEMA and other folks worked out the best improvised HEPA-grade air filter was pushing rolls of toilet paper through a solid baffle with holes cut into it. This was for fallout shelter purposes, so filtration of very fine particles was a criteria. You make many holes in a big baffle and put many rolls through the holes (they should fit tightly) in order to bring down the (parallel) resistance to flow. Still and all, a positive displacement pump or something with a lot of vacuum is required.
@TechBench
@TechBench 3 жыл бұрын
"They're always going to be available from your local supermarket..." -Famous Last Words. ;-)
@JaredClarkBoaz
@JaredClarkBoaz 3 жыл бұрын
Found myself a new project 🤷 Having outdoor/indoor pets means dirt and dust on everything, and this seems like a good idea to me 👌
@Will-sc3hw
@Will-sc3hw 3 жыл бұрын
I was planning on building a room filter of sorts myself after becoming fed up dusting my room constantly. Your design looks great. However I don't have access to a 3d printer right now. Great content as usual!
@mrstrellis4468
@mrstrellis4468 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Clive. You do need a chamber in front of the fan to assure good performance. Don't exactly know the theory behind it but it is definitely needed. We manufacture electronic control equipment for micro hydro systems and on our panels above 60kW the heating require fans with a spacer between heatsink and fan. We make our own from steel and they are 20mm deep. Commercial ones are about 30mm but our experiments showed 20mm is just as good. Love your channel. Keep up the splendid work. Best regards John W.
@ryanroberts1104
@ryanroberts1104 3 жыл бұрын
I like this...I've been doing something similar with a 20" box fan in my shop for years. The fan sits on some wood legs and basically blows on the floor just like yours, and there is a 20x20 furnace filter on top. Not micron level, but it definitely helps in a room full of dust.
@tbelding
@tbelding 3 жыл бұрын
I have a box fan, and I just stand it up in an empty space, and the pressure from the fan holds a fiberglass filter against the fan itself.
@ryanroberts1104
@ryanroberts1104 3 жыл бұрын
@@tbelding Yep, especially if you get a finer grade of filter. I use tape but it isn't totally needed. I would be curious on the science behind the air void on top, I have no idea if that would change anything. Mine does not have that.
@tbelding
@tbelding 3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 They're called plenums, and they do assist. I'm not absolutely certain, but I believe they help even out the overall air flow - that's why cars have both exhaust and intake manifolds that are shared across all of cylinders, rather than venting them separately. I'm sure that you can find a 'why does it' on an HVAC site.
@ryanroberts1104
@ryanroberts1104 3 жыл бұрын
@@tbelding Right, but what, if anything, does that do for something like this? How does "evening airflow" help in this situation? It's not an engine with multiple cylinders, or a house with multiple vents.
@tbelding
@tbelding 3 жыл бұрын
@@ryanroberts1104 From personal experience with these fans (I'm an IT tech), they tend to have a tumble zone around the blades, so they're really only pulling in narrow 'slots'. Remember that there's the frame of the fan on the _other side_, and the hub of the fan is huge in comparison to the blade length. Having the chamber means that the suction on the bum wipe is much more even.
@ianbuilder
@ianbuilder 3 жыл бұрын
ive done this i recommend A very strong fan 12v 0.45a-5a and waiting around a month with it on full blast 24/7 you will see a slight decolorization so it does somewhat work
@rogue3
@rogue3 3 жыл бұрын
I decided to look for an alternative to those expensive room hepa filter devices several years ago. Ultimately I ended up just getting a few $20 box fans and taping 20inX20in hvac hepa filters to the back. Obviously these aren't very quiet even on low but they move VASTLY more air through the filter medium than even the beefiest "room" filter and for considerably less cost.
@ScottTancock
@ScottTancock 3 жыл бұрын
Chamber between fan and filter: good idea. You are correct about it regulating the geometry of the air flow and using more of the paper. This in turn reduces the air resistance and increases the flow rate. It might be interesting to experiment with baffles to straighten out the air flow and reduce vorticity in the chamber, and possibly even ducting to direct the air out the sides after the fan.
@TopEndSpoonie
@TopEndSpoonie 3 жыл бұрын
Air void yes, but for the holes, I would imagine that the more open that it is the better. So, the filter support needs to block as minimal amount of air as possible, while still supporting the filter.
@f.f.s.d.o.a.7294
@f.f.s.d.o.a.7294 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. There are many readymade fan grills that could be used for this.
@Okusar
@Okusar 3 жыл бұрын
This is correct. Gamers Nexus has done a lot of testing and experimentation on various computer hardware, including demonstrating that drilling more or larger holes in the fan grill of a poorly performing computer case can drastically improve the airflow and thus its cooling potential.
@calvinjenkins6900
@calvinjenkins6900 3 жыл бұрын
I was startled that there were week old comments on a 13 minute old video, but then I remembered Patreon existed
@Tejvir7
@Tejvir7 3 жыл бұрын
Ok good for you
@calvinjenkins6900
@calvinjenkins6900 3 жыл бұрын
@@Tejvir7 Congratulations! Your attempt at condescension has failed miserably!
@lilmatt1914
@lilmatt1914 3 жыл бұрын
i was also very confused thanks lol
@shadowdraxx
@shadowdraxx 3 жыл бұрын
If Patreon was on more platforms I’d use it but yeah I can’t afford Premium, direct channel support and Patreon
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
The Patrons already have the MK2 video with 3D files. Coming soon.
@Gainn
@Gainn 3 жыл бұрын
I built one years ago with a fan either side of a spherical "expansion chamber" that had some foam in it. the amount of dust that thing pulled out was unreal. using a black orchid hydroponics fan that's inserted into and old car airbox/filter now and that works really well. Even better if you can exhaust to the outside and use a lighter filter medium.
@brianmicky7596
@brianmicky7596 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Clive, yes void is wanted , All the Best Brian
@coolfrost6
@coolfrost6 3 жыл бұрын
Add a bog roll holder, and a small motor to gradually draw draw the paper across and roll it up on the other side. Maybe use the some clock mechanism, e.g. Flipclock.
@jockwalker24
@jockwalker24 3 жыл бұрын
This is why I scrolled down before commenting. Exactly what I was thinking. Maintenance free for ages.
@digitalwallis
@digitalwallis 3 жыл бұрын
Oh Your right i didn scroll sorry
@LordmonkeyTRM
@LordmonkeyTRM 3 жыл бұрын
Someone watched Technology connections yesterday 😂
@coolfrost6
@coolfrost6 3 жыл бұрын
@@LordmonkeyTRM guilty as charged
@LordmonkeyTRM
@LordmonkeyTRM 3 жыл бұрын
@@coolfrost6 😃
@maddscientist1644
@maddscientist1644 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome idea Clive. I know its off topic and all, but can you please do more of your old Trash Cooking? Me and the wife both love those videos!
@EggBastion
@EggBastion 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@paulsto6516
@paulsto6516 3 жыл бұрын
The buffer/plenum is important. The longer the better, 1/2 to 2 times the cross section. The filter area needs to be increased 50 fold. And still I think the system capacity is going to be disappointing. But, it's the fun of the build. Thank you for sharing what you do.
@LariFariYoutube
@LariFariYoutube 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, Clive.. I have recently built a wood lathe with the same style of air filtering for the motor and the electronics cooling. (PC fan + furnice filter fabric) The only difference in my version is, that i have made a much bigger "Filterbox"....to give me more filtersurface. The void in front of the fanblades helps to straighten the airflow. (...kind of flow straightener..) I like the toilet paper approach. Its so simple and ingenious...
@user-pv3rq6ei9r
@user-pv3rq6ei9r 3 жыл бұрын
It's also possible to make cylinder with mesh on the side and closed top, then roll toilet paper on the side, this will make much bigger surface for a filter
@iiiiicp
@iiiiicp 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about doing a air filter for my bedroom using a cross flow fan but your idea plus bigclive's sound good too and I have the parts to make it
@designworksdw1949
@designworksdw1949 3 жыл бұрын
If you were to fold pleats into the sheet it would increase air flow and filter efficiency by turning it into a depth filter.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
That makes it harder to seal the edges against air bypassing.
@JordanReese
@JordanReese 3 жыл бұрын
Instead of folding pleats, you could make 2-4 TP sheet sized spots for the filters.shapes that come to mind are either triangular or M shaped.
@Zadster
@Zadster 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, it would just need 2 3D prints to clamp the paper between 2 sets of alternating vertical slats and a surround. The frames would have a zig-zag embedded which clamps the edges of the paper, sealing it. A bit of a faff to design, but it would improve efficiency.
@bluepantherofdeath
@bluepantherofdeath 3 жыл бұрын
@@bigclivedotcom you could make it somewhat like a small cabin. Double your filter area and make a nice aesthetic. Just have the cabin roof as your air intake.
@That_Handle
@That_Handle 3 жыл бұрын
🤔😑😶👍
@12villages
@12villages 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect coincidence. My budgies peaked their heads into our AC vents and chewed/destroyed the internal PP filter mesh. I was going to buy a new filter but now I'm thinking of sticking some layers of paper towels. Thank you.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom 3 жыл бұрын
For high air throughput it would be better with the large area concertina filter.
@Pscfreitas
@Pscfreitas 3 жыл бұрын
The air void is a goog has the buffer advantage and reduces the recirculation of air by getting it further away from the fan. I tested that concept while trying to make my computer fans run more quiet and it worked quite well. The temperature went down by reducing the air recucirculation and I was able to recuce the fan speed to a bearable noise level.
@gerrybvr
@gerrybvr 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen carpentry workshops that use kitchen rolls for filters on the giant sawdust extractor vacuums. Far cheaper and just as effective.
@TonyRule
@TonyRule 3 жыл бұрын
Cheap and reasonably effective, but objectively not AS effective.
@elvinhaak
@elvinhaak 3 жыл бұрын
@@TonyRule For sawdust probably just as effective, only less effective on finer particles.
@pe5erbarnes
@pe5erbarnes 3 жыл бұрын
You can buy sheets of carbon or hepa filters cheaply for eBay and cut to size. That's what I use for my soldering fume extractor
@adamdavies6248
@adamdavies6248 3 жыл бұрын
The air void will help create laminar flow, as in a laminar flow hood (I'm no expert) but the air void is a great idea to even put te flow, laminar flow hood design is rather interesting! Thanks for this, it's a really great idea! 😃
@terrencesauve
@terrencesauve 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of wood working shop owners also posted really good videos using forced air furnaces filters. Many use that in combination with a cyclone to remove the finer dust with the furnace filters. The cyclone typically only remove the shavings because the bags arent that great.
@pinball30
@pinball30 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to see the change in current draw with the different materials
@nigelbaxter6525
@nigelbaxter6525 3 жыл бұрын
On a slightly related note, you could change the paper when the power consumption reaches a set level.👍🏻
@PatrickLeeUS
@PatrickLeeUS 3 жыл бұрын
Put an ionizer in it to attract patricles.
@robinwells8879
@robinwells8879 3 жыл бұрын
I like it! Possibly a cylinder plenum chamber above the fan that can be wrapped in sheets for a greater filter surface area with a consequently lower resistance to flow and perhaps even a UVC LED contained within for additional sterilisation if such exist. I have been looking at these for some time now as a good idea for allergies. I use a dehumidifier in the winter because dry air is easier to heat and it has a built in filter but mine needs work on the control unit I fear.
@Adscam
@Adscam 3 жыл бұрын
Like many people and yourself have figured out, an air void is a good thing. It is actually called an air plenum chamber. It equalises pressure, reduce sharp corners for the air stream and reduces noise. Bigger is better generally. As someone else has already stated he uses the disposable masks for the filter element. It is made with Polypropylene PP spunbound and melt-blown nonwoven fabric. You can also buy activated charcoal inserts for some types of masks. If you choose to use the disposable masks filter media, try to 3D print a mound on the intake side. This will spread out the folded pleats in the mask. More area equals less pressure drop and higher efficiency rate.
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