THE SONGS THIS SAGA ARE FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Blind reaction to EPIC: The Musical - Done For

[@joshmartin156]

Circe is the daughter of a water nymph and Helios the sun god.

[@anastasija6866]

The Oceanid Perse( one of Oceanuses daughters)

[@elieli2893]

​@@anastasija6866 I always find the nymph's name unfortunate, because in my language that is a swear 😅

[@xivettex3493]

Annie probably led into the start of the next song because Done For transitions directly into There are Other Ways just like Polyphemus did into Survive

[@dudaalmeida4040]

Hermes is god of Messangers, thieves, travelers and a few other things. Beyond that, he is both Ody's great-grandfather or grandfather, and the biggest troll of olympus. He is helping Ody simply for the chaos, beyond him being an adventurer/traveler right now and related to him. To give you an idea of his Chaotic Neutral nature, Hermes helped Ody and also warned Circe of what he did and Ody coming, hence her knowing. He legit just wants the drama lol He is well known for just randomly helping or trolling adventurers (demi-god or not) for the kicks.

[@ericzeichert511]

Hermes sounds like, and he was portrayed as, being a bit Puckish, or Loki, or more likely, Murcurial.

[@dudaalmeida4040]

@@ericzeichert511 yup! He very much is. Also, circe is an old fling of his lol

[@elizabethscruggs8783]

Don’t forget cunning and trickery is part of his godly domain.

[@wynnefox]

@@dudaalmeida4040 I was about to say that Hermes is her ex.

[@dudaalmeida4040]

@@elizabethscruggs8783 YES true

[@hillrp1]

My rationale for why Ody told her about the Moly is that he's trying to not fight her. If all of her power comes from her ability to cast a spell on him and he says "Don't even bother. I'm immune" then maybe he can get her to give in without him having to actually draw his blade at all. Of course it steal leads into his hubris and not understanding what he's up against because Circe can do a lot more than just turning him into a pig, but I always figured that his bragging was just trying to make her back down before a fight even started

[@Zayber129]

Agreed! I think it was his way of leading with open arms, just saying you can’t hurt me how about we talk this out before this turns into a fight

[@otakugril67]

Fun fact, the plant Moly was created when a Giant (not a Cyclops) fled from the battle between the gods and giants and tried to chase Circe off her island. Only for her father the god of the Sun, Helios, to kill him in retaliation. Moly is unable to be plucked from the ground by mortals but its never explained why. Its safe to assume that because Giants are the spawn of Gaia and Uranus a flower+root born from their blood is simply impossible to pull from the ground because Gaia just won't let you separate her from what remains of her offspring even after death. 🤔 thats just a theory though!

[@icemagiciangh]

We were talking about instrument battle in the song- Odysseus’ electric guitar vs Circe’s strings. Notice how, as soon as Circe started her narrative, and “persuasion”, at the end, the electric guitar is _nowhere_ to be heard. With a sword at her throat, Circe pulled all the power back into her hands.

[@TheParagade]

Also, when Circe and Odysseus are having their back and forth, their respective instruments come to the fore, but after he reveals he took the Moly, the guitars stay prominent when she responds, showing how he has taken control of the interaction

[@aranthur]

Odysseus is telling her about the root because his biggest flaw is and has always been his pride

[@terra4822]

He even had gal to claim he is a God when showing the root. He is lucky that Hermes is chill and his great grandfather, cuz I'm pretty sure if other God give him moly, they would be offended by his gal. Sorry for my garbage English

[@theskeptic1065]

It's a last ditch effort to avoid fighting and force compromise. He's prideful but he's not an idiot

[@itsmxtwist]

@@theskeptic1065yep he was letting her know that her magic wouldn’t work on him and so would be forced to deal with him on equal ground now

[@andronixbegayaf]

Jorge sometimes requests artists to make official animatics for some parts/songs. One of the first songs this happend was actually Done For, which includes the Cyclops-Chimera fight. In this video he explains all the reasons behind it! kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4iYqqWMp857Y68si=uJdycscWC3uXYl_5 Basically, the Cyclops is the monster Odysseus is knows the best

[@Ansixilus]

Fun fact about the idea that "men are pigs": this part of the Odyssey is basically the first ever literary connection there. You could say the idea, as something discrete enough to iterate on, originated here. About the Moley and Hermes' warning, it's not specified why mortals cannot pull moley from the ground but that it's not a problem "for the deathless gods", which implies that harvesting it would kill a mortal. Once harvested it's not inherently dangerous to mortals. Hermes warned that Ody might die simply because the moley leveled the playing field, it didn't assure victory; thus, Ody would be going into a life or death battle, but with winnable odds.

[@maddibrook7]

Hermes and Circe are exes, so you can imagine he was trying to mess with her

[@BGTitanAvatar]

God I love Circe so much. Her voice is just… ugh. It’s so good. I’m really hoping you do Gigi’s animatic for the next one but of course I’ll just have to wait and see. There’s just a lot of character choices I love in that animatic. Anyway, genuinely adore the harmonies in this one, as well as that beat. I also just enjoy that we see that Ody and Circe’s motivation is the same. They’re both just trying to protect the people important to them.

[@Taizu314]

Hermes is a son of Zeus so he’s Poseidons nephew.

[@slayterb2245]

Ody tells Circe about the flower because he’s already eaten it and gotten the power. She can’t remove it from him because her power won’t work on him. So it’s like “why not brag about it? She can’t do anything about it.”

[@ailenguglielmone4140]

In fact, if I remember correctly, I am not sure at all.but I think Circe is the daughter or granddaughter of the titan Helios, if you look closely at the animation of Anniflamma she has a sun on her dress that represents him in addition to her eyes and ears so to speak when I use his powers at the beginning they were yellow too (if I'm wrong please correct me, sorry English is not my first language)

[@otakugril67]

In most Greek origins, Circe is the daughter of the sun god Helios and the ocean nymph Perse

[@ailenguglielmone4140]

@@otakugril67 Thanks for the clarification (⁠^⁠^⁠)

[@Miden05]

I recommend continuing with the Aniflamma animatic for the next song, it keeps the tone and is true to the events that happen in the album.

[@xulitalita3027]

I agree!

[@halfknight2310]

I’d say this or Gigi’s

[@RacketEPIC]

not really. Circe doesn't strip In There Are Other Ways lol

[@Miden05]

More than the strip, I was thinking about how it makes it clear that both are uncomfortable. Odysseus's painful expression and Circe's resentful expression while she seduces him expresses, in my opinion, the whole theme of the musical: what we are willing to do for those we love and what we become. . Odysseus in the end remains faithful, tempted but faithful... and as much as I love Gigi's works I didn't see enough temptation in his animatic, Odysseus seemed very reluctant from the beginning... almost angry and confused rather than tempted and guilty .

[@RacketEPIC]

@@Miden05 fair enough i suppose, personally speaking, i don't think Circe would "look" uncomfortable visually (tho, deep down, she would) Regardless, i do understand what you mean, but I'd like to correct you on stuff, first off, the main theme of the musical isn't actually "when does a man become a monster" it's "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves" and secondly, Gigi is female, she uses she/her regardless, i still find Gigi's animatic better, frankly because the "post seduction" section of the song is far better, There are Other Ways isn't just Circe seducing Odysseus, it's Odysseus gaining Circe's assistance, and Gigi's animatic does that far better in my opinion, especially the section telling about the Underworld

[@rhov-anion]

Hermes is the guy who sets up the drama and then sits back sipping tea. "Dawling."

[@jacobgalloway1392]

Keep in mind what Hermes said to Odysseus about the power of the plant, it only lasts until you’ve beaten your opponent. And what does Odysseus say to Circe after he kills the chimera? Yeah… the power is gone.

[@area52ron]

He’s telling her because he’s already eaten it or took a bite

[@lalberto987]

I recomend for the next video, still watching Anniflamma

[@arthurzackaryabrin]

Pretty sure Odysseus summons the Cyclops because it's so far the most terrifying an powerful creature that ISN'T a god he has witnessed the power of on his journey. He had not lost a single man of his crew UNTIL they faced the cyclops, so it makes sense that he left a huge impression on him. PLUS, Hermes told Ody that "all you need is imagination", Ody can most definitely accurately imagine a cyclops if he was traumatized by it......

[@area52ron]

What you said about him summoning a cyclops it could be both

[@area52ron]

Did you notice in the flashback there were *four* nymphs but in the present there are now *three* nymphs P.S Odysseus men were not the reason for that it was another group that came before them

[@megansaunders3579]

Also, as a result of auditioning for Circe - when she originally auditioned for Zeus, I believe - the singer for Circe, Talya Sindel and Jay are dating. They got together as a result of her getting the part for Circe, and they both do a lot of really funny Tik-Toks and KZbin shorts to promote Epic.

[@Tumanakoking]

We love an empowered girlie 💖💖💖

[@maalmaal56]

A small detail I think a lot of people miss is that the creature Odysseus creates to fight her chimera is a cyclops. Like the scariest most haunting thing he can think of is polyphemus

[@rulab]

This song was not what I expected...I swear every singly song in the Epic Musical is a SWERVE and I am here for it! Thank you Panda for joining DJ on these reactions again! :) Thank you for reacting to Epic DJ, it's so cool to see how much you love them

[@nekodecim2363]

So about next song...if you prefer more soft animatic, go with GiGi...AniFlamma can be...a little brave in her animatics. there is nothing +18 or something like that, it just show more

[@shanajeangedeon9060]

Yeah, both are good but Anni's are a bit more bold and slightly more angular(that's the best way I can think to describe it)

[@darkelysium658]

i personally vote gigi's other ways, as it'll match with puppeteer!

[@elizabethscruggs8783]

Anniflami for other ways!

[@LadyGreensleeves33]

Mostly Hermes is a mischief guy, though in some myths he's had a previous relationship with Circe as well as some myths atating Ody is related to him. So, could be equal parts trouble making, messing with his ex, and helping his grandson? 😂

[@astellis11]

Oh yeah, Odysseus summoning a Cyclops is canon in both Epic and the original story (i believe)

[@nudgificator]

As far as I recall there was no summoning in The Odyssey, the moly just made it so that Circe's transforming potions wouldn't work on Odysseus.

[@Macabrellian]

It's original to EPIC.

[@raizor639]

Please keep with this artist for the next song please 🥺 🙏

[@OKAMIKITSUNE1]

Yes in the canon of Epic the musical Odysseus summon a Cyclop, certainly because he lost his best friend to him. Odysseus could have lost the dual if he manifested a weak creature.

[@astellis11]

Wonderful video as always. The frills on Circe's head are either an artistic choice by AnniFlamma OR related to something else in ther mythology, i dont quite remember. BUT she is the daughter of the sun god Helios, so she is somewhat godly but not quite

[@boowind4432]

She’s the daughter of Helios and Perse, an oceanid (sea nymph)

[@astellis11]

@boowind4432 ahh THAT makes sense

[@Gh0stlyfool]

Hermes is the son of Zeus and a minor goddess I can't remember the name of for the life of me. So this would make Poseidon his uncle, since Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, Demeter, Hiesta, and Hera are all siblings, Zeus being the youngest of the big 6. Aphrodite is more like a great aunt? Her birth was weird so it's hard to pinpoint her relation to the pantheon. This would also mean Athena, Apollo, and literally all of Zeus' offspring are his half-siblings.

[@xulitalita3027]

Please continue with AnniFlamma's the are other ways! ❤

[@ShyyGaladriel]

I prefer Anniflamma’s other ways if you haven’t already recorded it.