THIS BROKE OUR HEARTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Blind reaction to EPIC: The Musical - The Underworld

[@rackracket8482]

Fun fact: Odysseus mom is voiced by Jorge mom

[@Cinder5andA5he5]

I'm pretty sure Jorge said he and his mum both started crying while recording their lines because it was so emotional. On a happier note, a lot of Jorge's family is in Epic, which is fun

[@kamdenwilson9340]

@@Cinder5andA5he5 understandable i cant help but cry on that bit too

[@damiennightmaresx7950]

@@Cinder5andA5he5 HEPHITIHITISIHIHIHIHI

[@damiennightmaresx7950]

i still dont think this is a 'fun' fact it causes a 2nd boom of depression idk if i would ever want that- anyway

[@purple_doriima]

I don't think that's been officially confirmed anywhere.

[@makaramuss]

Ghost crew:... 558 men... Who died under your command Eurly: *starts counting men in panic*shit...

[@maskedwriter4088]

Eurly: Has anyone seen Elpinor? Parimedes: I think I saw him drinking wine from a chalice on top of Circe"s palace?

[@Infernosys162]

I love how every time someone new reacts to Epic, all the Winions just flock around in the mindset of "we suffered through this, now you must as well" can't wait to see yall's faces for this

[@janus9371]

It's a timeless tradition in most fandoms, and also really cathartic

[@omarsalem1219]

​@@janus9371Danny Motta just released his reaction to the good omens season 2 finale and yeah you are absolutely right

[@Agent_Purple_Cow]

@@omarsalem1219 I still waiting for that man to react to Alien Stage to suffer with the fandom, so yeah

[@area52ron]

Sad fact: all the souls singing in this song are singing their last thoughts before death took them so they cannot see Odysseus and the crew In the original story Odysseus tried to hug his mom three times only to pass through her due to her being a ghost before he finally processed that she was dead

[@icemagiciangh]

To quote Jorge on The Underworld Saga- “This is where Odysseus goes to get his heart broken! :D”

[@DnDAddictUK]

this is where Jorge sends the winions to get their heart broken too

[@Silverfox89777]

It's worse Odysseus mom was on the docks When the windbag was open she saw her son's ship getting ingulfed by the storm and died of a broken heart , Believing her son was Dead and she just witnessed it

[@Phobophiliacism]

As unfortunate as it is, due to her death of having 'heart broken' by that, some tellings say she threw herself from the cliff of Ithaca, committing suicide from the sight of her child apparently dying from the storm being released.

[@maskedwriter4088]

@@Phobophiliacism Which is why she would be with the souls of his crew because without her body being found in the ocean there would be no proper burial. Without the coins she can't pay the toll, and she probably would have known him dying in a storm would mean he also wouldn't. Now she's waiting to find him.

[@No_Named_Nobody]

Well this all got more depressing

[@perezjuarezsara5379]

​@@maskedwriter4088 I never thought of that... Suddenly this scene got all the more emotional

[@area52ron]

Elpenor is the man who died at Circe but no one not even Odysseus or his crew knew until they made it to the underworld also he was originally going to have a part in this song but it was cut out because it came off more comedic then Jay intended Here is the lines- Ensemble: Elpenor Elpenor: I died, and nobody noticed, I died and nobody cared Odysseus: Elpenor, how did this happen? When did you meet your despair? Elpenor: I drank wine from a chalice. On top of Circe's palace. And fell and broke my neck in shame. But what do you care? So many deaths happen under your reign. The good news at the end of Odysseus adventure he did go back to give Elpenor a proper burial

[@makaramuss]

The man was forgotten in his life and in his musical

[@sorinamarcu5357]

"We did not process the inventory yet. Do not throw open arms on us" Your guys innocence thinking open arms was the last part of the suffering was adorable

[@colew-e5x]

Fun fact: Jorge was originally was going to be a doctor but later decided to be a theatre major last minute in the middle of college in his 2 year in college and made a play called my heart says go

[@TheW1ntersProject]

Was looking for this

[@educatedlaziness3268]

Wanna feel worse? The end of Keep Your Friends Close where Aeolus blows the fleet back to Poseidon is the exact moment Odysseus' mother died, as she witnessed the storm blowing their ships away and thought she'd just watched him die, collapsing on the spot

[@jordanNCM]

Okay didn't need the fresh trauma.. thought I had processed this saga already!

[@makaramuss]

@@jordanNCM HAH! In your dreams. When this is done we will leave with 1 trauma fpr each saga 🤣

[@area52ron]

Sad fact: like what was said in “Keep your friends close” they were right there close to Ithica only for the wind bag to open blowing them miles away and his mom was alive at that point so Odysseus wouldn’t have gone through this heartbreak if the wind bag hadn’t been opened Depending on the version Odysseus mom either died from old age or she committed suicide by throwing herself into the ocean trying to reunite with Odysseus when she thought he died after the bag was open which she witnessed never finding out that Odysseus is still alive

[@icemagiciangh]

Luke Holt, the voice of Zeus, said that harmonies of the souls were some of the hardest to do in all of Epic

[@rebeccaepperson7972]

Only Jorge could inflict emotional trauma in such an effective way over and over again yet make it so beautiful that you're left saying, "thank you sir, may I have another?" Can't wait till you both get to Wisdom Saga and Vengeance Saga

[@aizatheartificer5556]

In the Odyssey, the fleet is visible from Ithaca, and Odysseus’s family bring his mother out to welcome him home, and so she can see him first. Then the wind bag is opened, releasing the storm. Ody’s mother dies of a broken heart after seeing his ship being blown away from Ithaca, believing that the storm destroyed the fleet.

[@hillrp1]

With regards to if this is just how the afterlife is in Greek Mythology: Mostly. The Greek afterlife is split into several domains, such as Tartarus, Elysium and Asphodel. But all of that is rather moot, because in order to get to any of them, your soul has to pass the river Styx. That's what Greek funeral rites were all about. You may have seen images of bodies with coins over the eyes? Those coins are to pay the ferryman, Charon, to cross. Because Ody was unable to give his men funeral rites and couldn't give them the coins to pay their toll, none of his men can pass to the actual afterlife and are stuck in the River Styx calling out with their final thoughts on repeat until the Ferryman can get round to them. How long that is is vague and depends on the source, but often hundreds of years. That's one of the reasons that drowning was such a feared way to die in Greek Myth. Because unless your body could be recovered, there was no way to perform funeral rites, so you would just continue drowning over and over again in the river Styx. It's also why only being able to "remember them" was such a big deal in the Cyclops saga. He couldn't get his men out. He couldn't give them funeral rites. He was sentencing them to an afterlife of fear and confusion. It's also what makes Polities' appearance here all the more heartwarming. his final thoughts weren't of fear and confusion, it was of peaceful optimism. So although it's sad, it's also amazing that the thoughts he's condemned to repeat until the ferryman eventually gets round to him are at least not sad ones

[@ericsanford536]

As dark and sad as this is, the original is SO much darker on SO many levels. This is practically the Disney version compared to the original

[@xxanimneechanxx]

Fun fact that's actually Jorge's mom singing. Sorry for the punch of pain.

[@PandaBear221B]

I don’t chat in the discord too much so most people wouldn’t know it, but my mom is my best friend. I was hit just as hard as DJ on this one. I had to go have a good cry after we wrapped filming. DJ and I agree: our mums are immortal. End of story. Jay, is an incredible story teller to be able to invoke so much emotion. ❤

[@yoshurae9411]

Adding to the "sad facts", when Odysseus sings about the infant, the bells in the background are playing the infant's tune from the very first song. Another sad fact, the mom's theme is a modified version of Odysseus' theme (different key on piano)

[@kittycatzuka]

Fun fact, it's confirmed canon that the spirits are stuck singing their final thoughts. The soldiers blamed Odysseus for incurring Poseidon's wrath by sparing the cyclops Polites still wanted his best friend to keep believing in open arms His mom never stopped hoping he would come home Also aside from the lyric about it, there is another reference to the infant in the music itself. The bell tolling does the same lullaby melody that played when Ody found the infant in the first song, just a bit slower

[@ClassicDepravities]

the "I took too long" will never not get me. I lost my stepmom this year and I wasn't able to make it back in time to say goodbye. I literally took too long, if I had left the day before I would have made it.

[@Cinder5andA5he5]

When you think you've recovered from your Epic trauma from each saga, you go and relisten to it, or get new trauma from the newer released sagas. We need a therapy saga now

[@korbygrundmann2760]

Fun fact, in the entirety of the war on Troy, Odysseus never lost a single man. The deaths only started when he begun his travels home

[@jacobgalloway1392]

What is he remembered for? His absolutely amazing military campaign where he lost not a single person in the YEARS long war? Or his trip home where he lost everyone? Tough break.

[@andronixbegayaf]

20:33 want me to make that worse for you? Odysseus's mom is voiced by Jorge's actual mother

[@galexiadraws]

welcome to the crying saga :>

[@Jeff-fo3ck]

So the 43rd man, Elpenor, died because he was drinking on top of Circe's castle, fell, and was forgotten. Jorge had a song about Elpenor during the underworld, but he decided to scratch it. He left "558 men" in the lyrics as an Easter egg.

[@Articxfrost0]

The end part after saying goodbye to his mother, Odysseus is screaming out in order to try and drown out the voices of the dead. He'd rather the nightmares of his crew than face the fact that his mother died too.

[@DerrickParr]

The guy who fell off the roof of Circe’s palace was named Elpenor he originally had a part in this song but it was cut due to it being too funny.

[@area52ron]

The lyrics that Odysseus mom sang can also be given to Odysseus dog As his dog had been waiting and waiting for his owner to return and he is still waiting at this moment in the musical but time is running out as age is catching up to the dog who is still waiting and hoping for his owners safe return

[@jscorpio94]

In one of the animatics of "Keep your friends close", the crew is seen very close to Ithaca. Odysseus' mother saw the crew and also saw when the storm reactivated and the ship flew away. That's why she believed that Odysseus had died and she died of desolation.

[@Salinaut]

The guitar motif at the beginning of this song (and shows up in a lot of other songs) is Ody's theme. Fun fact: Ody's mom's theme is the same exact thing, but on piano, and in a major key.

[@area52ron]

Fun fact: when Odysseus voice is high like we see him begging to Circe and in this song it’s Odysseus showing vulnerability as there are some strains where he’s trying not to let his vulnerability get to him and sometimes failing

[@westcoastg6480]

IT MADE ME CRY WHILE I WAS DOING MY HOMEWORK 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@chlistens7742]

as said in other places Wanda Herrans sang the part for Odysseus's mom ... so J's mom is Odysseus mom.

[@dammdami17]

I literally cry every time I listen to this song

[@dustyroo666]

have to admit that after this saga came out, i couldn't listen to Odysseus moms part without literally balling every time. this is heart crushing in every meaning possible.

[@jsmalls911]

I don't know how you ended up choosing this specific animatic but I glad you picked THIS ONE! i name dropped this one in the comment section of the last reaction you guys did for "there are other ways" and was really hoping you chose this one and you DID!!! Thank you both! You were moved emotionally the same exact way I was when I first heard this song! I love it!!!

[@ShyyGaladriel]

TheeArteest is one of the most slept on animators in the fandom. If I can possibly convince you to react to their version of Different Beast I would be so happy. But even if you’ve already reacted to a different version just please watch it anyways. It’s absolutely insane how good it is.

[@hahgay69420]

His mum sang her,also she cried during it too

[@jokerjay5020]

When odysseus was close to home and the wind bag was open, his mom was at the dock and saw his ship get blown away she assumed he died, and she died of a broken heart soon after.

[@MesoJoe]

You know what's heartbreaking is that the bells are the infant's instrument. From the crib music to funeral church bells, it's all the infant. It hints here just how much the infant plagues him

[@Majesticskyyy]

Yesssss this is one of my favorite songs, can't wait for the premiere! How emotionally destroyed were you guys 😅

[@Dark_Wolf_846]

Extremely sad fact: way back in keep your friends close, Odysseus and the crew were so close to home that everyone on the island could see them including Odysseus's mom. After that they all saw the ships all get blown away by a storm that came out of nowhere. Ody's mom then walked in the water to die thinking her son died as well. I repeat SHE DIED TO BE WITH HIM. We don't deserve mothers 😭😭😭

[@rulab]

This song is beautiful. And Ody's mother's voice is phenomenal. The lyrics were soul crushing but her voice just made it for me...whoever she is, she's wonderful... Thank you Panda for joining DJ! We appreciate your input so much. Thank you for the reaction DJ, knowing how much of a self-proclaimed Mama's Boy you are, I'm not surprised this one hit... #HerdLove

[@liminalpsych]

Ody’s mother is voiced by Wanda Herrans, who’s the real life mother of Jorge Rivera-Herrans (Odysseus). It was apparently very emotional for them to record this, too; she hadn’t thought before about how it would be for Jay when she’s gone.

[@sorinamarcu5357]

10:34 ME MAN ELPINOR WAS REMEMBERED! you goys should watch Jay talking about elpinor and a cut part of this song where ody talk to Elpinor in this song but because it was too funny and ruined the rest of this song was out

[@dark5994]

14:15 welcome to the epic fandom well all are always thinking the same

[@Lunf4y]

Yeah shuffle with us because of this song

[@BGTitanAvatar]

All I hear is pain. The part with the mom hurts my soul more than Polites. I have such a weakness for mom stuff in stories so that part always gets me. Crying currently actually so… yeah. The fact that it’s Jorge’s mom just makes it worse. She apparently cried during every recording of her part is … oh boy.

[@sippy1850]

His mom died after she see his ship being blown away in the ocean saga as they was close to ithica

[@BiasFree]

This is my favorite song in the musical so far. It's closely followed by Legendary. Which you'll get to in a couple sagas from now.

[@andronixbegayaf]

Fun fact; all of the souls in the underworld sing what they were thinking when they died... Yeah

[@Na0k1_757]

Silly fact: Those that live in the underword are repeating the last thoughts they had before passing

[@PoeticFoe]

Fun fact: The original story and this consider that one man to be "forgotten" because he got drunk on Circe's island and died from falling down. So unless you know the original story you wouldn't be entirely aware of what happened to this 1 additional loss when originally there was 43 men under his command. It was meant in this saga as more of a jest and humorous moment, Jay even said he had thought about writing a part or even a song for this one soldier but found it ironic that he was "forgotten" and left it as the forgotten soldier who got drunk and fell to his death, essentially *kek* himself.

[@Mecha_Neko]

"558 men" Rip Elpenor lmao In the actual Odyssey, after the wind bag gets opened, they get blown back to Aeolis (the wind god), Ody asks for another wind bag and gets told no, so they sail back to Circe and shack up there for like a year to recover and resupply. During that time, Elpenor gets drunk and passes out on the roof of the palace, and when he wakes up and tries to roll over, he falls off the roof and breaks his neck.

[@ellenvictoria7572]

Jay's mom play Odysseus mom!

[@justinfralin301]

As a lot of people have said. Ody's mom is sung by J's real mom. Alos the spirits all song thier final thoughts

[@ellenvictoria7572]

❤❤❤

[@Taizu314]

I hope Jorge makes a fortune off of Epic.. because he owes us emotional damages.

[@CarterBlack-s5z]

Just to let you know odyssey mom actually died in the song storm in the ocean saga because she thought that he died so she drowned her self

[@pmookie]

no matter howmany times i hear the mom part ..it keeps bringing tears to my eyes , first time i heard it i was bawling my eyes out

[@marip5520]

Wait till u hear the rest of the saga (emotional whiplash)

[@mrdiamondore1014]

Well, he has worked on this for five years. .

[@anyathepanther7977]

Yeah, Hades is just a place where you hang out. According to legend, if you die and did'nt get a propper burriel, your soul will get stuck in the river styx for about 100 years before you can move on. There are diffirent parts of the Underworld. I only know Styx and Tartarus, but there are diffirent places for diffirent souls.

[@chebikitty5566]

Sad fact(Kinda): it is likely that all the soldiers and polities are here because they didn't get a proper burial and couldn't cross over into hades properly, what does that say about his mother.

[@colt1903]

So yeah, Odysseus' mom killed herself by walking into the sea and drowning after she saw his fleet get blown away by the storm in Keep Your Friends Close. She didn't want to be waiting for him forever, so she killed herself. And now she really will be waiting for him forever. Wanna know why? No? Too fuckin' bad cuz I'm telling ya anyway!😈 In Greek Myth and culture for the time, proper burial rites included putting a pair of coins over the eyes of the deceased. These coins were meant to pay Charon, the Ferryman of the Dead, to take you across the River Styx and into the Underworld proper. No coins? No passage. You're left stuck in the Styx for all eternity, never to pass into the afterlife. Basically, without those coins, you're damned to an eternal purgatory. This is, more or less, the closest thing Greek Myth actually has to the Abrahamic Faith's depiction of Hell. Hell is a fiery purgatory from which there is no escape that the damned will burn in for all eternity until the end of Time itself. The River Styx is a similar purgatory where the damned are trapped until the end of time itself, except it's not as torturous as Hell is. That said, it likely existed in Myth to fulfill the same purpose as Hell- which is to say, it's a punishment for those who act against the wishes of the Gods. Because when you think about it, what more likely way is there for you to die and not receive a proper burial than by angering the Gods and having them sink your ship, or strand you on an uninhabited island, or strike you dead with a bolt of lightning? Anyways, back on topic, Ody's mom assumed he died in that storm, which means he would have died without a proper burial, thus trapping him in the Styx as a Lost Soul for all Eternity. So, she killed herself by going into the ocean and letting herself drown, intending to trap herself in the Styx for all Eternity so she can he with her son. However, Ody survived, as we know. And seeing as how he's most likely gonna make it home and subsequently be given a proper burial when he dies of old age or what have you, that'd mean he'd get to go into the Underworld proper. His Mom, though? There's no saving her. She's damned herself to the Styx. Waiting. For a son she'll never see again. Have fun crying yourself to sleep tonight!😊

[@bradleybarnett1469]

I'll do the warning for you.Please do not put on the captions for no longer you. They contain massive spoilers that you're not supposed to know about until after you have watched the next several sagas.

[@makaramuss]

So you didnt have oppurtunity to process infant yet? I hope you had time for open arms before mom 😂

[@drucelia2247]

you guys aren't going to survive Argos. Don't get me wrong Underworld really messes with us but the emotional trauma isn't done

[@CarterBlack-s5z]

When you do no longer you please do Gwendy ND2 studios please it is a good Aramaic and do Gigi for monster please