DJI Surprise The Industry with Huge Power eBike

New DJI AMFLOW ebike with 120nm, 1000w AVINOX motor.

[@MacRogersrealestatebroker]

I can’t believe this is the first time the features that they added are coming out. This is amazing.

[@plokmko0]

Can't wait to see these in the wild !!! I would love a 250 Whr range extender for a kilowatt+ trail beast.

[@NBMBC40]

If you have a DJI drone it would be good if you could pair it to the the bike so it would auto track with some preset angels and hieghts for super quick filming and also if your bike got stolen and you had the drone it would find it and tack film/pictures of the area and if someone was riding it?

[@gsum1000]

That's what I'm hoping for. It's extremely difficult to ride a mountain bike, whilst being auto-tracked by a drone, without disturbing any of the many controls on a DJI controller.

[@RobHill00]

I hear you and that would be a great feature but I think pretty all drone laws world wide say you have to be in control of the drone at all times and line of sight and all that crap! I know people do obviously use it with active track but from a company point of view they wouldn’t be able to do that!🤷🏼‍♂️

[@cleggycyclist]

pretty sure it was confirmed in Robs previous video on the bike and specs that it already does all that (connecting to drones & action cameras) and will also transmit speed etc stats to their action camera

[@JJ_MTB_15]

Wow who woulda thought DJI. Sick looking bike too.

[@lars_atx]

Really love the touchscreen and silence of the motor. Are you able to tell us if other partners are releasing DJI Avinox system bikes soon?

[@BryceLovesTech]

If specialized or trek came out with these features, they would charge $20,000

[@Daffy0208]

I wish I had a girlfriend that looked at me the way Ferdi and Rob look at each other ....

[@nickclarkuk]

I would like to see DJI tackle an integrated motor gearbox next.

[@JohnKrakatoa]

yep or a rohloff or pinion version would be enough :)

[@matthew3136]

ZF’s next offering will probably be a contender also. That’s their forte.

[@tinman8888]

The waiting list to buy one of these will be insane. I’ll be on it haha

[@lukenukem1164]

It looks a great system so far. I will say tho the pinion system appeals to me a lot and i think thats the way the industry will go. We'll see.

[@EMTBPodcast]

Great looking bike. Would love to push one of these to the limit in Morzine....

[@davidwariaro9885]

Great stuff Rob. Super interesting and really good looking bike. Possible my next bike dependning on service avalibility here in Sweden etc. Maybe DJI will be a strong software developer for ebikes and future software updates could bring new functions, like using the screen on the frame for gps navigation would bee great.

[@dannygar1]

Be good if you could lock the drivetrain and prevent it from being pedaled as an extra security feature

[@ZohaibChoudhry-se3bq]

Similar shape to orbea rise. Really like the look of this

[@powerappleapple2500]

Levo

[@ilidiofaria]

The old one

[@chuckduck]

You are right. Chinese are great in the art of copying and stealing idea and design.

[@kevstringer01]

@@chuckduck Yes and no... there are way more last generation bikes (of every discipline) on Aliexpress/Alibaba/Temu then there are of current geometry bikes that are oem from these same manufacturers and their subsidiaries...

[@kez2252]

Can't wait to see a longer travel enduro with this system

[@ageng.raditya]

Does it has RTH system when the battery almost empty?

[@michaelcarpenter1121]

Would be amazing if Pinion and DJI joined forces

[@g.wilsondh8407]

Trunnion shock and a yoke... Good luck! Other than that, awesome bike

[@mechpade]

non-straight seat tube for long dropper post. Yup, this is their first mtb. Safe to say I'll wait for gen 2 to even consider this.

[@davidgrothen3943]

⁠@@mechpadeso like YT, canyon, trek, specialized…. I love a straight seat tube but this isn’t a novel dig to the new comer

[@mechpade]

@@davidgrothen3943 yes, I don't consider the brands you listed because they don't have straight seat tubes. As a small guy, I use all the 180mm drop I had on my small Norco Sight VLT

[@iqbang9236]

No surprise that DJI entered the e-bike market as some of the bikes are selling more expensive than some cars in the Chinese market.

[@ForbinColossus]

We need someone to *measure the true output* of these new motors making big power claims. *"Talk is cheap"*

[@zayon0170]

u think a brand would drop some big false claims? as if the web is not filled of people ready to tear them down? lol...

[@MoonMage67]

@@zayon0170 yes, companies advertise false claims regularly.

[@frankiez7414]

But the bike is is not. Just buy a car or a motorbike

[@frankiez7414]

Is anyone going to ride the fucking thing

[@kangsterizer]

@@frankiez7414 yeah theyre all allowed to look and touch but not ride it? wtf.. something does smell fishy.

[@Grow.YT.Views.306]

Mind blown!

[@carlmeyervideo]

@RobRidesEMTB you promised us a video review of using it out on the trails/wild, when is this coming? Me and 1,00,000 others very keen to see that! Thanks heaps

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Definitely. I have a production bike on the way very soon!

[@jefftru937]

Must be super expensive since this is another hype video with no mention of pricing. Not “pricing isn’t available yet” just no mention like money isn’t a factor.

[@donniedarkomtb7048]

Price range starts from £5k at standard spec

[@calastro2577]

Dang that cheap

[@alcapone4242]

Pro version round about 10k

[@Bengy22]

0:55 Worth noting its the most powerful 250w* rated motor on the market. Bafang has multiple offerings that are more powerful, but are above that 250w rating

[@_Jake.From.Statefarm_]

Hey Rob, for future videos with new motors (or even some known motors) can you state the crank mounting type for those who want to swap to shorter or longer cranks. I had to order FORX (which I love but they were imported to the US from AUS) because Fazua's mounting is different that the others... Great looking bike. I wish this was in my Heckler SL =(....

[@TCK71]

Looks stunning.

[@Rammers13]

Wow this looks incredible! 👏🏻 👏🏻👌🏻

[@Kx0195]

But how much is it gonna be? The whole system just looks so polished.

[@SeeWildlife]

Stupid money, like the industry as a whole.

[@Kx0195]

@@SeeWildlife exactly my friend. I bet the whole set up will be a £8-10k bike it's ridiculous.

[@_Jake.From.Statefarm_]

Well not everyone can afford a top of the line product but a lot of people can. For every complaint there are 20x the purchases. There are cheap products available on the market if money is an issue.

[@SeeWildlife]

@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ Top of the line doesn't mean you are not being taken for a dipshit.

[@DaBinChe]

DJI looks to have the best integrated system. Sad of all those others that been doing it for years with several generations and still got a 5bar battery indicator, seems so antiquated, LOL. DJI just blew out every emtb maker. This is like when the Iphone came out and BlackBerry had its pants down.

[@iBeaver1973]

Am, all mountain... when do the En, enduro and Fr, free ride, versions come out?

[@michaelcarpenter1121]

Won't the 120 of torque stretch the already thin chain? wouldn't I still be better off with the Pinion MGU?

[@whitest_kyle]

Crazy how quickly the industry is moving!

[@carterbilawchuk]

I like how it doesn't look as fat as all the other e bikes

[@brucesavory3257]

Was there any mention from Mr DJI if they would be coming up with a longer travel option any time soon? Great bike!

[@Treys_Waterboy]

My turbo levo has all that except the screen isn’t touch screen. Really looking forward to this bike, but maybe not so much now.

[@garth62]

LBS support, reliability & spares availablility, especially in UK conditions will also be major considerations

[@northeastrc2725]

Never riden an e bike but been researching them this one sticks out realy nice

[@eaze7324]

Be careful, once on an E-Bike, especially E-MTB you can't go back. Don't test ride unless you have a real purchase interest, I'm not kidding

[@MrSupermugen]

@@eaze7324 100% even the biggest ebike haters can fall into that trap.

[@CarkeekW]

@@eaze7324 100%

[@fredEVOIX]

I do less than 400miles/year of muscular mtb it didn't stop me from making a 60miles 4773ft mountain up and down recently with less than 100miles of training oh and I'm 25% overweight I can do it but I'm destroyed for 24hrs after that I rented emtb twice 1st one mostly flat around a lake 43miles going in eco mode coming back in turbo mode felt like I did nothing no sweat not tired, 2nd time up and down 1 mountain + another mountain pass 6600ft ascent ! this time yes I was tired and ran out of battery right before parking but like the 1st time a few hours later it felt as if I did nothing, emtb are motorbikes anyone that tell you otherwise isn't honest on that last rental most of the ascent were 1:3 33% or 1:2 50% slopes most of them on dirt or grass not roads or mtb trails but pedestrian hiking trails there's absolutely no way you can do this on muscle power emtb are great fun but it's not sport it's recreational entertainement, on strong motors the pedaling is just pretend 25kph 15mph is almost your minimum speed because in 2-3 pedal push you're already at that and that's all you'll see unless you climb, and in fact on our 1st flat road rental our average speed was 16.7mph above the limiter we were shocked by how easy it was and were constanly over-pedaling the bike, note that I didn't say I didn't want one I actually do but as a "green" legal and silent motorbike that will allow me to go on mountain trails that were too remote to reach without one, I hike a lot but sometimes the trails are too easy and long for regular walking an emtb would make more sense

[@CarkeekW]

@@fredEVOIX you arent going fast enough, the upper body workout is noticeable on proper terrain , to get the full effect that you are missing you could be peddling with the same effort as a conventional but going faster , you are riding it like a conventional bike climbing at 15kmph instead of on the limiter at 25 and doing the same number of laps in 1 hour as you would in two normally. Its ok though , no one is forcing you to get an ebike and if you do invest use it as you wish , its yours to benefit from as you want if it makes sense to you, the same way my bike is mine to be that spark that returns the fun to the sport. Yes it is a motor bike by definition and its the perfect balance allowing it to ride any trail unlike a yz426 which you couldn't compare a (250w) ebike to . I love seeing regular people able to enjoy the forest with me through an ebike, some become hard core riders from an achievable start into the sport, other rely on the motor for life , so what.

[@mr1982davies]

nice system

[@MrMartinSchou]

I hope that keypad feature has an extra feature to randomize the buttons. Walk past any building with keypad locks, and you can VERY quickly identify the numbers needed to unlock it.

[@Ferdigrapher]

But not the sequence of the numbers.

[@MrMartinSchou]

@@Ferdigrapher Sure, but since most of those things will have a 4 number pin (like the lockscreen on your phone), even with 4 different numbers, that's still 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 different combinations - so 24. As opposed to 1,000 without that info. And if it doesn't have good lockout protections, it's VERY easy to punch in 24 different combinations as well. This isn't rocket science or brain surgery - it's basic security. It being a touch screen doesn't make it magically immune to these things.

[@Ferdigrapher]

@@MrMartinSchou ok, thanks for that input. I will talk to the developers and we will change it.

[@MrMartinSchou]

@@Ferdigrapher It would be a very good idea to talk to people who do actual hands-on security research (which is definitely not me). It is mind blowing to watch videos of professionals who specialize in this kind of stuff basically waltz through stuff that LOOKS really secure, and even more so when they then point out things like "it is currently 2018 and this has been an issue since 1992".

[@CarkeekW]

its a good idea and only a firmware update from reality

[@MarioGoatse]

This is super interesting. I’m very excited about it. However, the most important thing to me is how they intend to service and support it. I can take a Bosch ebike into any bike shop, and they can work on it, or apply for warranty replacement and such. Will DJI/Amflow have a dealer portal that’s also open to other bike shops? How exactly does it work?

[@axiomic]

well at least they have an extensive network providing warranty support all over the world for their DJI drones. Fantastic service from my experience. Can imagine they'll handle it ok.

[@MarioGoatse]

@@axiomic I really hope that transfers to their e-bike systems. It does sound promising

[@Arturito2017]

I’m curious have you all seen the CYC proton motor that you can add to normal bikes to make it into an EBike. It would be cool if you reviewed it.

[@eaze7324]

Is the amflow coil compatible

[@rpals5412]

P R I C E

[@alcapone4242]

Big interest here in this bike but no sram fan. A shimano version would already 've been ordered. ✌🏼

[@BlackFlag94]

An EXO Rekon tyre?! Are they for real?!

[@dskgranite2894]

VSA VLOGS FROM🇮🇳 ❤

[@charliewilliams5589]

How have they managed heat build up? Stark Varg (albeit an mx bike) is a comparable paradigm shift in the norm...

[@smelker]

Can u record a strava run?

[@alexioflexio8818]

yea but would you buy it over an MGU bike now?

[@xavicon64]

Now they need to make their version of a onewheel

[@johnmfjw]

When will this bike be available in the UK?

[@messylaura]

your video titles should mention the item being talked about, i tried to find some but alot have generic titles like "this e bike is nuts"

[@djSpinege]

I was onboard until a comment about DJI Products (not just drones) being banned in the USA got deleted.

[@arminius6506]

Because they aren't banned and you guys are uneducated

[@mfrfpv9079]

That's just wireless devices probably why they want the ebike market now😊

[@djSpinege]

@@mfrfpv9079 The Ebike has wireless GPS, LTE and Bluetooth. Honestly as many sensors as drones too. If DJI wanted to stop this bike from moving or block it with Geo fences, They could. Anything that transmits is talking about being banned so that's why it's a sensitive topic here.

[@calastro2577]

When will it be for sale? Is it a trail bike? What is the proce?

[@bostondye3736]

That is the next gen levo we've been waiting for... with the fsr style linkage, it's not even hard to picture s-works on the down tube. 😅

[@revansland]

Can you also ride this bike too, or is it just a mock up

[@horserun2551]

I want it in white

[@robnaughton405]

ha - these days when I ride my peddle bike around all these Ebikes i feel like im riding a horse and buggy in a nascar race

[@jacko101]

But... can you de-restrict it?

[@simony2801]

Give it a break.

[@jeremybarber4693]

Will there be a 170mm or 180mm version?

[@aeromtb2468]

does it come with 259gram drone and action cams?

[@Derbloon]

Specialized has almost the same electronic lock just without the map feature yet

[@Treys_Waterboy]

Yep. Every feature he mentioned I was like wait my turbo levo has that already that’s not groundbreaking. 😂.

[@michaelc3977]

Wow, I can't believe the 1000w model is only £1100

[@holger_ger3391]

The software features are really great. In the end, the motor is also limited to 250 watts. What remains is a relatively light package 100-300g lighter than the competition. 

[@CarkeekW]

the motor is 1000w peak and 250W continuous nominal declared power , make no mistake this is a wolf in wolf's clothing

[@djm8027]

They are not limited

[@MarioGoatse]

I think the ratings are a bit like Japan’s gentleman agreement of 276 horsepower. Some cars like the GTR say 276hp, but they actually do closer to 350. 250w is just its nominal rating. If it’s capable of 1000w peak power in 30 second bursts, then you’ll never be wanting for power

[@The_Arby]

Another video Rob...Your liking this DJI alot 🙂

[@roysigurdkarlsbakk3842]

How much does it cost?

[@wildtrek1250]

I'm just waiting for DJI to announce next that this new Avinox motor will allow bike's to hover for safe landings, just like their drones, especially if you launch jumps like a dead sailor and are heading for a collarbone breaker 😆. Seriously though Rob Rides EMTB, this new tech looks absolutely ground breaking and will sure make anyone currently building (or buying) a lightweight, low power SL emtb to think again. I mean, 19kgs for a full fat 120 nm, 1000w emtb? Hell yes! SL's are officially dead.

[@lewis71980]

Won’t 120Nm need a stronger chain?

[@ChannelZeroOne]

How much is it? I guess it is not for sale as of yet.

[@CarlosAntunesMTB]

What about the exo's... no one talks abou the exo's...put in a 38 and a pair dh casing tyres + pedals an you have 22kg. No doubt the system is great im also very happy to see it coming out, but we have to be honnest, fair and put all the cards on the table. 😊

[@eaze7324]

It's a trail / am bike not Enduro and they were honest in the spec, much carbon tbf

[@davidgrothen3943]

Levo SL don’t come with 38 and DH case. Also DH case tires and a 38 don’t add 3 kg. More like 1.5kg, but not everything needs to be overbuilt.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Check my proto with 38 and DH tyres, 20.93KG www.emtbforums.com/threads/dji-avinox.39215/page-2#post-555266

[@Narinjas]

For safety, please add a Fingerprint sensor, so you can enter the code with dirty hands in the wild, but on a street, in the city, where people can see the Pass-Code, please add the fingerprint sensor, for "easy" security...

[@Carrigans_photography]

how much £$??

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[@buntysimmons2565]

Are dji going to make a road bike :)

[@Lou-f]

Did you get to ride it? Also the seat tube looks a bit too long for a decent dropper.

[@The.JZA.]

The law says that the average power output can't be over 250w over a certain period of time, right? So does that mean that this motor would crank out the power for a while and then drop down to a much lower power state to stay within the rules?

[@streddaz]

I'd be interested to know how that is worked out. the 250w is average power but almost all motors make well over that in peak power, so there must be some way that the 250w average is achieved.

[@The.JZA.]

@@streddaz Yeah agreed. Sometimes when I’m doing a continuous climb I feel like the motor power cuts back a bit on power after a while but if it gives me 600 watts (Bosch Gen 4 is what I have) for x amount of time then it would have to drop to well below 250watts in order for the average to work out to 250. I feel like the 250 rule needs to be amended to allow for higher average power. Maybe 500watts and 1000 watts peak?

[@fredEVOIX]

​@@The.JZA. will never happen unless you want to pay taxes have a license plate on the bike wear a real motorcycle helmet and be required to have a driving license for it emtb are already illegal motorbikes even at 250w, the current laws are the best they could make to stop ebikes from going wild, the rate of accident and injuries already skyrocketed in 2-3 years with ebikes without limitations it would be deat instead

[@milocuevas]

no everybody wins, our wallets certainly dont haha

[@tasarasforever]

Ok but are ever going to ride it?

[@A3Kr0n]

My bike uses all off the shelf parts that can be purchased from a variety of vendors. I also don't need a tracking app on my phone to use it. Lastly, it's made in the USA. Your move sir.

[@mustclime5311]

Is it waterproof? What does a drone company know about waterproofing?

[@jamcguire100]

On the AMFlow website it now lists the PL model as having a peak power of 850W and 105Nm, have they reduced the max power available from this motor at the top-end or is this a derated model?

[@MesquiteBicycleWorks]

Looking for an opportunity to acquire one...

[@NomanKhan-jk2ql]

What's the top speed

[@andreyhello2367]

Shiit it was not my greatest decision to get flat mortgage a few months ago I need this bike)

[@enricobononi8655]

How does it compare to FZ or new TQ motor?

[@jiripechota7]

ZF 😂😂😂

[@robhaskins3068]

All very technically advanced but Do we really need more power than 90Nm and does lightweight actually matter. Don't forget TQ first had a 120Nm motor in a Hiabike that faded away. If they were really forward thinking it would be very silent and have a manual change Rohloff hub, belt drive with tucked in front tensioner .Alternatively they should have gone down the excellent Revonte twin motor automatic type system path. We need to say" Goodbye Derailleur" but without the coffee grinder uphill sound of the Pinion MGU. E=Mtb²

[@RonCGooglePage]

How much?

[@shellderp]

who is going to leave one of these out of sight?

[@Zetler]

This frame looks like a Dengfu.

[@ilidiofaria]

😅

[@MarioGoatse]

Lmao. Dengfu makes tons of frames, and they’re going to look similar to other frames on the market. There’s not a lot you can do to make it truly unique

[@porroco]

It should be put in a test side by side with shimano ep801

[@jpravetz]

Reliability, warranty, water ingress protection? Support? If it's like Specialized, no way

[@coco7290]

Specialized don't even have a factory, its just bunch marketing sales setting in the office design to babble biger profits,

[@TheMiguelosky]

just one thing...because the bike is done in M-L-XL-XXL size why not use a rear shock and cinematic with a ratio under 2.5 even 2 will be good to not blow off the rear shock...

[@NotAnonymousNo80014]

You can get an instant notification via LTE or Bluetooth telling you that you don't have an e-bike anymore...

[@Roaming50]

But at least you'll have GPS tracking through LTE until the thieves figure out how to disable it.

[@LeSoarien]

Owning a Greyp emtb since 2020 that already had all this features even more with an embedded eSIM. Unfortunately, brand closed their doors. Ok it's DJI and I trust all electronics is well implemented. I think they bet the success of this bike on the powerful motor primarily. Let's talk about reliability in 18-24 months and see what will be fixed in Gen 2 version. Non removable battery (to save weight I suppose) is simply a nogo for me!

[@nitraM321]

wow, anti theft system, password, great ! what makes it so much heavier than, lets say, the Orbea Rise ? i guess tyres battery and heavier motor ?

[@Connoroliverryan]

How much

[@UmarAsifqureshi]

the frame looks a lot like orbea rise M

[@MrSupermugen]

You guys breifly talked about 'other players in the game' While this is true, Modern pricing gets destroyed because of it, the more guys there are you used to see a fight for lower pricing, now its about pumping out new stuff and all the pricing is extremely high to make up for lack of market share....

[@jimmyz5831]

Probably be outlawed in the US.

[@onetime242]

But can it be derestricted for riding on private property?

[@mtbalandin9594]

More pressure on a drive train that will wear out even faster. I’m not sure if this is the answer to many of the problems e-bikes have.