Reinier Zonneveld Makes An Acid Techno Track From Scratch

[@DJMag]

Who else would you like to see in the series? 👇

[@isthisforrealyes7194]

Zatox

[@jhm8614]

John Askew

[@discobomber]

Dave Lee

[@dinfluence30]

Calvin Harris

[@hudini1820]

KiNK

[@ReinierZonneveld_FilthOnAcid]

Thank you DJ Mag for the nice session! I saw some comments here with feedback and I'll try most of them (also in this comment there's answers to most of the questions that have been asked already), so if you have any questions shoot it under this message and I'll try to answer you. - FULL AUDIO: I'll put the link of the full audio online and put it in the comments under here later. - THE PROCESS & CREATIVITY: Basically DJ Mag comes in with a camera crew into the studio in the morning after a very long weekend of 7 shows in 7 different countries, a day after I got home. They set up there cameras and I fire up my machines. You get less than 1 hour to produce a track. Obviously, it is impossible to decide when to get "next level" creative ideas, especially after doing so many shows and being exhausted - so for the people that compare this with hits from the 90s - that makes no sense. Sometimes when I'm in the zone i make my best tracks I released in an hour or two, but I tend to afterwards zoom in on the details and mixing and mastering (that I do myself) in the months after that. When I test the tracks out during my live, I can A/B different versions of elements and see which one work best on the dancefloor, make a note and adjust accordingly in the studio. - 303 PROGRAMMING: I see a lot of people asking why I don't use the 303 sequencer. The full explanation is: 1. During my liveshows I'm so busy controlling everything that 10 seconds of sequencing is already too long. Making a 8 bar sequence on the 303 in this timeframe is impossible. Usually I also have to do it simultaneously with programming / adjusting another device, so this leaves me with 1 hand for sequencing. 2. In my experience, on my setup MIDI is tighter than DIN sync. - BASS RUMBLE TRICK?: There are no tricks for this. All the elements of the track are shown in this video and nothing is added afterwards. The rumble comes here from the combination of 1. main kick (909) 2. Vermona DRM1 MK3 kick 3. the low percussion from the Vermona DRM1 MK3. Note that all these elements overlap. Now the "trick" is to move them by hand in such a way that they pleasingly phase cancel / amplify each other and get a groove out of this, then perform EQ, add saturation, compression, add effects to taste etc. Note that depending on which DAW you use effects may mess with delay compensation and shift your individual tracks a couple of samples. That's why i resample elements all the time to be sure that everything is perfectly time aligned and there is no surprises on the export of the full track, or differences in different part of the tracks (all glitches that occur regularly if you use a lot of plugins on individual tracks and busses). Please note that normally in my released tracks I go mental on the kickdrum, sometimes when I feel like it I work for a very long time on a kick and sub bass and layer element upon element to get it grooving and give it the impact that I want (usually this involves like 20 to 50 or more single elements combined together). When finished I resample this - WHY HARDWARE? Hardware is not necessary to make a great track. A great track is a great track, no matter what it was produced on. That being said, if you want to master your tracks yourself (which can also been done in the box), it is very nice to have some hardware. The high end stuff I'm fortunate enough to be able to use in my studio combined with insane monitors from PMC really can add a couple of % sound quality that you can't (easily) get in the box. Also it is fun to move knobs instead of staring at a screen. Also you have to commit at some point to your settings and record the audio so there is no chance of endless tweaking once recorded. That being said, some of my best streamed / sold tracks ever are 100% in the box produced (e.g. Move Your Body To The Beat, Hard Gaan, Eating Concrete from top of my head, including mixing and mastering), while some are 100% analog (all the samples and sequences are hardware, all the processing hardware, recorded through an analog mixer). I bet most producers couldn't guess the % of analog in the final results of the tracks on my upcoming album for example. So if you are producing yourself and get uncertain about getting new plugins, new hardware etc., don't worry! Better to learn what you have inside out and kill it with this than knowing 100 plugins and pieces of hardware only a little bit. And for some people that think I'm some rich kid that got all this stuff from his parents: my parents aren't rich and every single piece of equipment and everything I have I paid for with money I earned myself (except the sh101, that was a bday present from my parents long ago - I love them and am very thankful that they always encouraged me to follow my dreams since I'm little). Thanks for the opportunity again and I hope everyone enjoys the stream and can maybe get inspired by it! Would love to do more tutorials or sessions when I find the time for this. Maybe january 2024 I have time to record my studio sessions and drop them on my channel! xx

[@ReinierZonneveld_FilthOnAcid]

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[@Storm-bx8kg]

ziek

[@lk0707]

Thanks Reinier for sharing with us a bit of your workflow and tools. So you mix in the same session as you produce, on the go, right ? what about mastering ?

[@janvanbunningen6468]

Respect dude!

[@a.d.h.s.]

thanks a lot for the detailed explanation man! Please find the time to explain your low end approach! It sounds fckn nuts to layer up to 50 layers but having played some of your tunes billion times in Festvials or clubs I know for sure that your Kick/Rumble combo is one of the best in the whole industry! Really looking forward to it

[@ns3429]

As someone else wrote: Please stop with the background music. I thought that was the song he was going to create. It almost made me stop watching, but im glad I didnt. This guy really knows his shit

[@DJ.PI_music]

This man is an absolute master. It's so fascinating watching him making music with his calmness and focus. I could rewatch this video a hundred times and I still couldn't believe it, how fast he made a really good track from scratch. He is def one of my idols. I just love his fucking cool appearance!!!

[@Xusticiero]

i hope u can see him do a live set cos he's awesome too

[@DJ.PI_music]

@@Xusticiero thanks man! The day will be in December, when I got to a 2-day festival where he will be too! I’m already so hyped

[@Xusticiero]

his kick are so strong!! prepare ur chest hahahah@@DJ.PI_music

[@whendoesthisend]

Im a little confused as to how the midi is routed from the Allen N Heath to Ableton. Can someone explain ? Looks like a cool set up. Hybrid?

[@SkillGamingNL]

@@whendoesthisend MIDI is routed to the synths themself and the audio they produce is routed through the Allen N Heath which is connected to ableton. That is how interpreted it

[@jhm8614]

DJ mag on point!! we need more of these!

[@DJMag]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@baptisteouvrard6011]

He crazy right ! This is good for learning ! Thx @DJMag

[@MichaelAlbert-xv2cm]

@@DJMag pls old style classic trance and new uplifting trance toturials

[@verapamil07]

He seems really comfortable with music production.

[@MarcelNowotnik]

well he is a real one! You wont see that stuff from Stella Bossi or Lilly Palmer

[@didiermeynders]

Looks like a relaxed guy, and its funny to hear him speaking some Dutch words in between. Who I would like to see more in the series... Markus Schultz

[@imraan6405]

Hier zat ik al zo lang op te wachte! Reinier is de reden dat ik begonnen ben met produceren, thanks!!

[@szymonwieczorek2667]

finally the right approach. negative delay to compensate for latency. beautifully said

[@mika7601]

This guy is just on another level with music😮‍💨

[@v1x00z]

We love you Reinier! Simple the best dj in the world❤ come back to Chile please😢

[@nick_gurr1193]

To whoever mastered this video and left the lowend of reiner voice really did my ears a favour. PERFECT!!

[@nick_gurr1193]

@riiiiiinersonnefelt i lov u

[@molyo.142]

Best video so far on DJ mag thanks to boss Reinier for this one inspiring

[@barry_crisp]

Please more acid stuff, this was so good.

[@meneerjansen00]

The shirt, smoking a cigarette during work, Acid House = sooooooooo 90's. I love it! :)

[@JeroenvanGutsem-u7e]

he looks like an acid wizzard alchemist.

[@Nuramur]

If you have specific problems with lagcompensation, you have the possibility to set a timing offset at external instrument. If that not work you can also set an clock offset on your mididriver at Ableton options. For me it worked fine even i got a negative delay (the drum starts before midi note in grid because of lagcompensation of ableton and the own lagcompansation of overbridge tool for analog Rytm). I have 6 hardware synths (analog, digital and hybrid) and i was able to set the timing within 1ms (exept the normal fluctuations of analog components). Hopfully that helps to make your life easier

[@ricksuurd3657]

Reinier on point, technical, did not know about the midi jitter, defo taking note of this for my setup!

[@Peyre]

I have basically no interest in music production but this had me very entertained from start to finish.

[@balticgust8960]

What a Legend!

[@pjetrs]

Fun fact: Reinier Zonneveld has a degree in econometrics, which is one of the hardest studies around. So he is basically a math genius, which somehow really shows in his approach to producing music and how he just wings his live sets

[@marcellkovacs5452]

How does it show in his approach to producing music? Can you give an example?

[@sammysoosa7274]

Basically every producer uses mathematics. Like for how many bars u use to make a build up and a drop. Where you time your variations in your chord progression etc etc. Its all mathematics tbh. And ofcourse some good feel for music

[@bewusstsein7061]

look @@marcellkovacs5452

[@marcellkovacs5452]

@@sammysoosa7274 every musician uses maths inherently, given that intervals are ratios between frequencies

[@NOWtheband]

I get what is being said in this thread about musicians/producers using maths in music but when I improvise tracks, I never consider bars or intervals or even pitch, melody or notes. It's all feel. What I'm saying/writing is that although I am also a musician/producer who makes live Acid House tracks (without any computers or software) using machines/synthesisers, I don't feel like I utilise any mathematics in my improvisations, so I do understand what you're getting at but I think there are cases where maths isn't used. I suppose one could argue that the mere fact that I use a drum machine and that they're programmed in steps (4/8/16/etc), that in fact I am using maths...... Anyway, I hope my blah makes some sense! 🙂

[@hiddentechno8266]

TBH programming the 303 once you've done it enough times becomes muscle memory and is quite fast. It also makes you think of your pattern in terms of slides and accents more clearly.

[@formlessuk]

And you get to tap and re-tap the rhythm. Probably the best part!

[@ReinierZonneveld_FilthOnAcid]

True! I have the midi mod and got so used to it on stage with my livesets that I automatically do it in the studio too… during my sets i have just some seconds to get sequences in and i can t get that with the 303. Plus, if ableton has a hickup, all your din sync runs out of sync and you need to press stop / start in ableton (same when using 909 sequencer with ableton) - sounds like a big f up during a show

[@LEO-333-m]

@@ReinierZonneveld_FilthOnAcid you could innerclock systems for that

[@machine3lves]

Isn't it impossible to add slides without the internal sequencer???

[@bronze2181]

No, this is easily done by overlapping one note with another in whichever sequencer you're using.

[@Camea]

Amazingly talented - loved this feature 🤖👽

[@_functionless]

amaazing, appreciate the long form video.. a little slow for the average viewer but a goldmine for producers!

[@OMA_Music_Official]

Vermona’s kick is second best to Jomox, interesting he gets the click/knock transient from the 909 and low-end tune the from the Vermona then runs it through the tube to glue and extra harmonics. Would have been great to see the Rumble process but I guess it's the ‘secret sauce of the chef, fair enough hehe 😏 The pulse width mod trick with the 101/303 layer to avoid phase cancellation is pretty slick too. 303 sequencer is a bitch but well worth learning since most of the great acid lines are a result of a ‘happy accident’ on this dreadful sequencer. Plus you'd be sequencing with your ears as opposed to your eyes (if that makes sense) Great content and full respect for such an authentic and talented artist! 🙏🕉️

[@ReinierZonneveld_FilthOnAcid]

The kick bass sub is just 909, vermona kick channel and the vermona tom (drm1) - the video audio quality during that part sucks a bit - but before being run through the hardware it already sounded good. Volume balancing and sounddesign of the 3 elements get you there 90% already. Most important is to make a kick sub that fit the track you re working on

[@itsrafasilva]

@@ReinierZonneveld_FilthOnAcid and then the whole "kick bass sub" after running through the outboard gear is been squashed to hell with the L1 that appears a few seconds on the video?

[@dgsfreverknt]

we need more tracks like "I can't sleep!"!!!!

[@bluespectralmonkey]

@9:43 steppin into heaven ! lovely acid

[@devaux_nl]

Wonderful learning experience! Thanks so much!

[@nicoladicuia1978]

you are a great producer reinier

[@russcontact]

That’s a super sick setup Love the video, fun to watch

[@kris_lx]

Not using the 'External Instrument' device because of bad delay compensation is kinda strange. Just use the Track Delay function on each track, it works great.

[@brettgrano5263]

Master of sound at your fingertips .You have got it good

[@alessandrodurigon7151]

how do you say what happens at 9:16 ?. I really like tracks with those sounds, but cant find them directly. Need help from evereyone. Ty

[@Ebbelwoy]

The pitch is being modulated by an LFO

[@MrBlessup247]

Bad Ass Outboard Gear! great setup banging track :)

[@meilstone]

Nice, a good producer knows his mixing!

[@isthisforrealyes7194]

This was awesome!!!!

[@inacopia5661]

Great producer. Wish i had his talent☺️

[@AYYYEEEEYOOO]

Keep practicing and don’t give up

[@ReinierZonneveld_FilthOnAcid]

Put in all the time you can - it’s all practice.

[@acxdmusic]

wohooo insane!!

[@Dzeccu]

Insane ! As a beginner I was completely lost 😅 but watched in amazement of his skills 💗

[@DjSicEm]

lol same. This guy puts on a hell of a performance

[@TheYaq]

his songs are really clean

[@sabofx]

🎵Lekker bezig Reinier! 🎶🎹😋

[@wackerburg]

Interesting, yet confusing here and there 😀 First at 11:15 sequencing the 909 via MIDI is tighter than using its internal sequencer, then at 11:32 Reinier talks about having MIDI jitter. I never was happy with triggering my 909 externally and also I prefer syncing it via DIN sync. The 303 sequencer is not complicated at all imho. That's an urban myth which gets repeated for decades already and when you actually use it, you realize it's pretty straight forward. That punk attitude is cool though 🤠

[@Daniel-ot8gg]

I agree, the sequencer is not super hard, I just hate that you cant see what you are doing

[@kaitracid3168]

I love the tb 303 sequencer. Don’t think I could ever program a tb 303 line with midi. 😂

[@Acideezee]

I got my TD3 and TB3 for free because some people can't handle it and get frustrated and when I show them how to handle them they say: Fuck it, it's yours 😅😅😅

[@ReinierZonneveld_FilthOnAcid]

For my liveset I’ve been experimenting with all kinds of ways to sync. Biggest problem with din is that when ableton has a hick up the din synced devices will afterwards run out of sync. Furthermore, the midi jitter is just a couple of ms, the random inaccuracies of the 909 when din syncing are way bigger. Every time the sequence gets triggered again it will be too late or too early compared to the ITB by magnitudes more than the setup here… it s a pity i love internal sequencers. There is ways to get sample accurate midi also video audio triggering (which is too much hassle to setup during touring for me) that gives almost sample accurate results!

[@wackerburg]

@@kaitracid3168Same here 😂 I am so much quicker with the 303's sequencer. And it's also more joy 🎉

[@elPatzzo]

@Reinierzonneveld you are the Best! See you at Contact Festival in Munich 🫶🔥🔥🔥 let’s Rave together!!

[@davidyoudontcare3562]

and what, 30 years later, there it is, the good old 303. we will never see such products again ever.

[@ditsomusic]

Mad scientist at work

[@andrewmacnally8962]

Unbelievable set up!!!!

[@jj19n11]

yo more tracks from scratch dj mag!! this is so cool!!

[@ahmedabdelaziz1298]

That’s brilliant my friend 🤘🏻

[@Pauluz_The_Web_Gnome]

I used to smoke a lot during sequencing, but I've quit smoking for 14 years now! Weird to see someone still doing it in 2023

[@toonseten]

Are you still on acid? Who cares.

[@audian666]

prolly not the only substance he sequences on ;)

[@Pauluz_The_Web_Gnome]

@@audian666 🌿

[@florisr9]

@@Pauluz_The_Web_Gnome I doubt he does weed

[@DiegoJGorzynski]

At 13:00 I always had this problem with the kick clicking.

[@mattjox2760]

THIS DISTORZION ON ACID IS CRAZYYY !!!

[@oriionxlll3741]

This is gold.... Stevs DK

[@mattjox2760]

THANK YOU FOR THIS !!!!

[@daanbaas2962]

Nice video 👍It's great to hear that genre boundaries are dissolving, with techno using nineties and naughties goa-trance sounds a la Astral Projection's Mahadeva: 👌

[@godot5082]

Great choice of synths.

[@et__fy]

That analog ashtray

[@strangehermitage2299]

Which cigarettes are best for mastering?

[@thebasicmaterialsproject]

nice ! i was recording each lane to a dennon solid state recorder, long way round making stems!

[@super-ulitka]

Very focused approach, pleasure to watch :)

[@michaelpumo83]

This guy is working like his Uber is about to arrive 🤣

[@gerryverano5290]

Absolutely amazing!!!

[@straightforwardAcidTechno]

That was awesome!!great video

[@crispy833]

That chair looks comfortable!

[@TheProducerSchool]

Legend🔥

[@egress.techno]

AWESOME! 🖤

[@aliasfd345]

interesting. so a drum synth like the vermona is teh always working sub-kick-answer for your kickdrum? he says he uses an g and an b as sub-kick? 2 sub-kicks? please help :-)

[@ReinierZonneveld_FilthOnAcid]

Just use whatever you want but be very careful that everything is aligned in such a way that it gives the impact and groove that you re looking for. In the video the kick / sub is 909 + vermona kick and tom (drum1) channel but ypu can make it with any source you want (also samples). When i produce on the road (hotel, flight etc) it s all laptop based - i like to use operator and some samples for kicks then and get back to them in the studio for detailed shaping

[@snap8626]

you guys need to do one with Barry Jameison from Evolution. notably since he had a track on every single mix cd from about 1992-2005, no matter who the label or dj was

[@nashmyer7971]

Having this be your production prosses looks so fun. Dream to build a refined hardware work flow for my style.

[@arirahimzadeh]

That is One Fine Piece of Studio there ; ) WOooO . Style yo . Finest Gear

[@HarryGileis]

we need oliver heldens next!!

[@jandegroenteman]

You are watching a master at work

[@s4lome792]

would love to see a drum tutorial by this guy

[@natanXDDD]

Great stuff, thank you 🎉

[@trapoviejo]

This is the way

[@FuzeEdit]

Thanks Mate for that nice view of ur setup, If u use the track delay instead of the External Device, will it stay in time after reboots? I hate the fact to always set my midi delay before playing or after a crash

[@KikiDupris]

so fun and so special

[@d3maccus]

is he recording each of those hardware synth lines and changing the pitch in the daw? or live sequencing them in the DAW over midi?

[@wodl]

Masterclasssss 🫶🫶🎧❤️ (in Amsterdam we say 'eindbaas'

[@downcode]

Excellent ! Some serious gear on display :)

[@jimigrok]

nice thanks a lot for showing your work ;-)

[@TheTwistWood]

Karren Maar 🐐

[@NOEL-004]

I literally love him. He is such an inspiration😎

[@daanothoff]

And figuratively?

[@NOEL-004]

🤡

[@oscarherrerar.3496]

this is gold

[@mikroflake23]

Wow thanx! 😊

[@magicsmokebeats]

I liked, cool dude, professional in his craft Who I would like to see more, Hozho or Hot Sine 82

[@ELPEZPATO]

¿Qué utiliza la Allen & Health Xone 92 como audio interface?

[@sebbonneseb6096]

jemig ik kijk zoveel op youtube vanalles en nog wat. haha en nu jou ontdekt. echt zo mooi om te zien de vakmanschap ervaring en gevend moois🌺 moi was(en mischien weer in het nieuwe jaar) lasser voor denk dik 20 jaar. was er zo goed in en kon het ook zo goed uitleggen en humbel. nooit naast mijn schoenen gelopen. maakt het mooi vind ik. ingv terug naar jou. dankje van het delen van deze maak van een fijne acidmix. love it💜 groetjes uut zeeland

[@famousarmystudio]

one day this gear will be on Reverb as "kept in a smoke free studio" 🤣

[@lk0707]

haha !

[@DUBLDENM]

I don't think I would ever be giving up a 303, Sub 37 or SH-101 after managing to acquire them 😅

[@lewishamel8105]

“One bassline , two leads: one rolling”

[@asparuhhunev1395]

Ik kijk al heel lang naar deze video

[@jonkeren]

Talented guy

[@robertpeters6340]

Goede uiteg. Betrek je maat erbij dit nummer, geweldig 😊

[@shadowmoon5445]

amazing

[@housearea]

the maestro!

[@bewusstsein7061]

great work ❤❤❤

[@richardthayer5907]

This guy is cool.

[@Leequid960]

Super intéressant merci

[@marcus268]

What is wrong with the external instrument in Abelton? I.e what makes the delay compensation bad?

[@Preset]

I think his point was that it is a bitch to compensate for both external and internal instruments at the same time, so he prefers to just work with his outboard gear

[@ReinierZonneveld_FilthOnAcid]

When running certain plugins (or a lot of them) Ableton tends to miscalculate in the box delay caused by plugins and “external instrument” shifts it s timing then too. If you send out midi and get audio back this happens way less frequent. For me very important to be aware of this for my live workflow. Stick a cpu heavy vst on an external instrument and record audio afterwards and before - you ll see the difference in timing.

[@XHALE303]

Just wondering, is a TB303 with MIDI also able to record/send the cutoff sweeps etc?

[@B-a_s-H]

With the right mod, yes. The MidiBass303(sequentix) mod can (only) do cutoff control, but I've seen more extensive mods like this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqm3aWath9d4g9U

[@XHALE303]

@@B-a_s-H Hey thanx, altho it isn't clear if you can record the parameters, looks more like a fancy midi controller. 😊👍

[@matbellum5380]

What's the monitoring at the bottom? Thanks a lot.

[@ReinierZonneveld_FilthOnAcid]

PMC

[@bamiteam]

Toch weer wat bijgeleerd 😁