How Type Beats Ruined Creativity

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DJ Pain 1

Күн бұрын

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@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

Collab on a beat with me: bsta.rs/227bd24

@scaleshenry Ай бұрын

@@DJPain1 I'm the future hopefully I got some many beats time to organize.....keep me in mind homie I will reach out

@NINESKYZ Ай бұрын

Exactly Pain .. ppl so slow man it not even funny ..

@martez_da_real Ай бұрын

Lex Luger thought Kanye wouldn't like H.A.M because it wasn't a Kanye West Type Beat. He wanted to skip past it when he was playing him beats.

@KyoAsura Ай бұрын

Exactly! 💯

@TherealSIRenity Ай бұрын

Facts

@wehackedbutter Ай бұрын

I make what i feel. Whatever emotion im feeling, is how the music is gonna come out

@QFilms-tj9fh Ай бұрын

Facts

@NYCKZ360 Ай бұрын

same

@syndicate808x Ай бұрын

Exactly

@maysonstorm4956 Ай бұрын

I don't think "type beats" are inherently bad. I search them all the time for inspiration. But, I think they have allowed newer producers to skip the learning process, which can be a bad thing. Back in the day, you had to learn the entire process on your own, and that led to you naturally developing your own sound. If you think a lot of beats sound alike today, it is probably because a lot of them are using a formula and not natural progression, if that makes any sense.

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

I think that’s a consequence of technology. Type beats don’t ‘teach’ a producer to skip steps; a template, a tutorial and social media allow producers to immediately create and publish, which couldn’t happen 30 years ago.

@SabzRZA Ай бұрын

Makes a whole lotta sense fam!

@steelokey Ай бұрын

I fully agree with this comment. As I was making more “original beats” when I was tryna learn how to, then I started watching “how to” videos on KZbin & started using a formula that made a lot of my beats sound the same especially drum wise. I’ve always had good sample/sound choice but I got stuck doing the same thing. So I’ve taken a 2 or so year break on making beats & i am still stacking samples & things to get started again. Not sure where I’m gonna go with it but I wanna start learning & stop doing the same thing. Aka repeating a formula like you said.

@2coldjames648 Ай бұрын

Definitely agree!

@aye5kay Ай бұрын

Good thoughts. Type beats seem to have gone in the same direction as rappers who only listen to music from other rappers who copy rappers, thus, we have flows and patterns that have come to sound the same across various beats. If everything is catering to algorithms or expectations, then variation becomes less valuable or even thought out. Not that categorizing isn't helpful, but the categories are now defining the beat or music rather than being that extension of finding the beat or music. Maybe..

@pkizzlebeats Ай бұрын

It’s not even just type beats either beat makers just want to make a difference variation of the same beat…which is also why everything sound the same they’re not expanding their sound and growth as an artist themselves…following trends only gon get you so far…people will fw you n your music if its dope cuz u can hear it. It’s also the fact that there’s no originality in the community anymore…every artist wants to have the same sounding beat so every producer wanna make the same beat…I remember the time where u couldn’t make it in the game let alone the culture of hip hop if u was biting someone’s style…it’s a complete 180 we just need to make the music that we wanna hear or what’s in our heads instead of catering to the masses that won’t even care who made the beat they just love the song

@Justice098 Ай бұрын

I was a manager for a few artist and I just think the majority of music right now sounds similar. Real vibey…808s…atmospheric. I came up in the time when heard beats by timbaland, neptunes, Dj premier, Dr dre, Kanye, Pete rock , rock wilder , Eric sermon , just blaze, Dj quik…u automatically knew who it was or had an idea of who it was Now i can’t tell one producer from the next .

@TracyLee7777 Ай бұрын

I agree as a Songwriter and Producer I combined different things it depends on my feelings or what I am going through at moment or writing

@cdk Ай бұрын

you tube is definitely part of the problem, I'm subbed to you and only a few of your videos come to my home feed, and rarely the music, just the talking head videos (which I love btw.)

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

@@cdk yep exactly

@scottzilla_prod Ай бұрын

1000% feel this one. I only get views on one or two specific types of sounds within my niche. Anything outside of this one specific bounce and its ghost town lol

@Aliengroover Ай бұрын

You know I've been on board with a lot of your videos, but the message in this video is EXACTLY the draft I started on Threads last night. I've been involved with the whole music process since the 80s, and I can recall "oh such and such would tear that beat up" since the early 90s. Or "that beat sounds like something RZA would make". So much more to say since folks being anti-type/KZbin beats is the latest craze, but I'll cut off with this: if you still hate or choose not to understand these terms, it's more a you problem than them.

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

@@Aliengroover 🎯

@therealajnelson Ай бұрын

That's the most solid argument for beat types I've heard yet Pain. 🔥

@OfficialHavocOsiris Ай бұрын

For what it’s worth, I also had a beef with type beats before I started making music because I just wasn’t convinced that it really was an SEO game, or that people really were trying to be different. I just thought people were content to emulate. But even now, before watching this, I didn’t even stop to think of how much of a factor the algorithm was-and how much it can fuel the beliefs that still persist about type beats

@zodiac909 Ай бұрын

This is 100% true, I tried it 7 years ago, and It completely killed my passion for making music 😢

@AKSourGod Ай бұрын

So, I'm nowhere near a the level you are with uploading, but I do feel like if you don't make a type beat that sounds CURRENT, the people don't really engage with it, until that sound becomes the norm. It's like being creatively ahead of the curve, results in algo punishment as well.

@entaprizeinc3313 Ай бұрын

Thanks bruh... very insightful

@raasquiat88beats16 Ай бұрын

This makes sense. I’m on one-off my type beat channels now. But I use the “type beat” to kinda package my beats close to what is. I also have another page and on there I do thensams thing but there my beats are more creative than the “type beat” label and I have definitely been punished that my beats don’t sound exactly like the said artist. It’s kind of depressing from time to time when you think a beat is cool and creative and the algo doesn’t push it out.

@Di6iTaLGaRd3N Ай бұрын

Learned a lot from this video. Thank you!

@KordTaylor Ай бұрын

👏🏻 I think you’re right. While many artists and particularly labels may want copy-cats beats of popular stuff, it’s the original stuff that will come out as more timeless.

@DeaupasBeats Ай бұрын

Pain, how do you feel about doing live beat reviews w feedback? I’m curious about what the community is making

@DiOneMusik Ай бұрын

Vision is overlooked in different aspects.

@مًْسًْيًْلًْمًْة-خ9ش Ай бұрын

Mad respect 🫡

@dasdabeatjunkie Ай бұрын

I think there's alot of reasons things sound the same. I stopped dealing with artists for the most part because i got tired of being given a type beat they wanted me to recreate. That's not what im trying to do. And the type beat thing, i do understand that its a way to sell more and allow artists to find a beat rhey want easier. But even just by using the term "type beat". They are literally looking for a beat that sounds like a beat someone else would use. As opposed to using descriptions only, like style, feel, genre, whatever. Once you start using established artists names as a marketing tool. Thats where it starts to lose credibility imo. Noone really needs to use other artists names in these titles. If everyone decided to stop using artist names, and only used descriptions of whatvthe beat sounds/feels like. Anybody searching for it would have no choice but to search for it that way. Now if you are making beats strictly for a certain artist, by all means. Say it was made for them. But with how similar the more popular Hip-hop has become, this whole mind set of selling beats has a big part to do with it. I honestly think its as easy of a solution as to just stop using artists names.

@scaleshenry Ай бұрын

If we're gonna go the type beat fault let's also start with the sample kits that cater to the type beat crowd.

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

@@scaleshenry I’m not blaming type beats

@scaleshenry Ай бұрын

@@DJPain1oh yes sir I understand that...I mean you have placements with Rick Ross and still make Rick Ross type beats lol. I think the game is fun with type beats.....I guess lol. Anyway I bought your bundle fire drum kits homie

@RoundtableKingsMedia Ай бұрын

This is FACTS!

@TheTonyTitan Ай бұрын

Those luxury beats you like to make helped inspire my own sound, ngl

@Heron.Demarco Ай бұрын

This is what happens when you chase clout, chase the algo, chase the eyeballs of the public. You got a bunch of creatives who decided to not only listen to the labels, but the audience tell them what to create.

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

The algorithm came first. You can't chase something that doesn't exist. Why blame the victims?

@Heron.Demarco Ай бұрын

@@DJPain1 I never chased it a day in my life. However, the road to success was much steeper. the point here is we all have a choice. It's just we often choose the most convenient of choices. We've all done it.

@mayoshanebeats Ай бұрын

Good producers I feel have the ability to hear certain artist on their beats. So many artist that have made hits didn't like the beat of the song that was a hit for them. Trust producers.

@ShaunCosmos Ай бұрын

expansive, original and stretch the bounds of the artists sound

@drewblanche Ай бұрын

Beat stars always plays random ad beats unrelated to what you’re searching for which I don’t think KZbin does in the same way cuz nobody is really promoting type beat videos with KZbin ads per se. As beat stars will promote beats with ads that you aren’t even wanting like if I’m only searching for no melody type beats all the ads for other beats that it plays in between what I’m looking for won’t be no melody type beats. Kinda annoying cuz every ad I won’t be interested in most likely..

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

Does the Tv play ‘random ads’ too, buddy?

@ZonymaUnltd. Ай бұрын

The goal is to have rappers and vocalists find a musical vibe they can jive with. Doing what’s best for the music is what counts.

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

true

@RutherfordBcrazy Ай бұрын

the best and brightest is found amongst their peers, every genre is a type of collaboration. The problem is the copy paste type beats

@SamKlimat Ай бұрын

When I make beats, it's not to meet a certain type, but to express my creativity. If I then name a beat after a rapper, it's because I hear the rapper on it, but I'm sure others would fit too, that's just my personal feeling. When uploading to Beatstars there is also the section: who do you hear on the track? I think the approach is quite good because I don't have to force myself into any patterns, apart from a certain framework like boom bap etc., which doesn't limit my creativity.

@Sneakycat1971 Ай бұрын

It helps for two people to work together but it would also work if the producer just produced what they actually liked instead of what they think other people like.

@davidleeroth357 Ай бұрын

There are some really good type beat producers out there. I think they do it to get their sound out there. Also there are some producers who put instrumentals out there that sound exactly the same. I like Aram, Scandi, Yogic beats, they're great producers. I get what you're saying tho

@yuppppooooiiiuyyy Ай бұрын

Thanks Pain.

@ladislaufazakas8980 Ай бұрын

Yes, you're right, techno, rap, music that offers a lot of beats is devoid of feeling. Not necessarily the creativity but the lack of story. I think that if you had an AI make rap music it would be hard to distinguish it from one made by a human.

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

@@ladislaufazakas8980 I didn’t say any of this and try to make AI Americana, gospel, rock, etc and the same applies.

Ай бұрын

yes type bests fucked us up

@broussardbeats Ай бұрын

I could be wrong but i think Spotify might be the next big platform to implement something that would help producers in a big way.

@Philgrandin Ай бұрын

No better way to make a genre even more repetitive and generic to confine yourself to a box of only this way, at this tempo, with this break. Its kinda crazy that with all the services providing packs and build a beats the creativity goes down on my end, or ill get stuck feeling i gotta find exactly what I need and ignore everything else in the mean time. I can still impress myself at times with chopping things up but i feel alot of my music sounds a bit similar, but back when i had to use what i had and the options were slim i would make something that i was proud of as i took something and completely changed it to make my own melodies out of it and learning on the job(hobby) so to speak by messing with this seem so it sounds much different because i just used this one last time. For myself it was much more of a creative process of using sounds i normally wouldnt even think to use. I even had bangers on the first mtv music generator for playstation 1. Unfortunately i dont have the time to just sit for hours and experiment as life gets in the way. Solid video though. Much appreciated.

@diamenace96 Ай бұрын

Just did this with an artist, you’d be surprise what you come up with, sometimes you don’t like the direction each other going in….after the jousting, the end product is more than you imagined. Also know this is more work and compensation. But you get what u put in. I miss the 90’s $500 was the minimum producer fee. That allowed you to be more creative 😂

@GrinchDaGoonBeats Ай бұрын

The algorythms are the problem, unfortunately i started to play this game as there is no alternative for now, but i feel like im on the edge of loosing any hope lol

@DJPain1 29 күн бұрын

That's how I'm feeling rn

@TrapgeniusBeats265 Ай бұрын

Things are changing every day in music/ type beats! That's today's generation that's all!

@Omnitual Ай бұрын

As someone who has sifted through hundreds if not thousands of type beats, there is definitely a lot of unoriginal stuff - and the ones who make some insanely quality stuff don't always float to the top, especially if they're not feeding the algorithm. Not worth getting worked up over the artists used to label their type beat, it's an approximation and it works well enough. I would say the people searching for beats also need to train youtube to suggest stuff by actively searching rabbit holes for quality. A lot of good producers have organically been suggested to me (PUIA, Mike Lakes, Hazzey, Mont the Beatmaker)

@ghost-user559 Ай бұрын

Creativity is alive and well

@JaeyeBeatsII Ай бұрын

REAL AF!!!!

@iamroxx7595 Ай бұрын

Being in the studio with a artist is not my vybe especially while im making beats rather make it on my own with no1 around

@dimestop5336 Ай бұрын

it draws vocalists, type beats, your reaching your target audience, the vocalist wants some knowledge of what to look for if i want rock (i dont), it would be Queen Springsteen type beat, lol, producers will always get some lame duck saying that sounds like ? all beats sound like someone, because as individuals we are inspired by what we hear, we give our interpretation, i love your beats Pain, i sing and rap bars to them all the time, i just can't afford you as im broke lol, your beats led me to MEC i now know lots more about the industry, I'm a student of yours, even tho I'm way older, only ever commented once before, i have studio produced work. i actual done one of yours last year, had a few thousand listens and a bookfull of comments, i gave you credit, i just shared to my music community, they loved it, your tag's in it too, it was a great fit, lol i hid nothing, it non commercial, sorry but i felt i had to fess up, i been following you ages, i feel like a Judas lol i'd only just started with my voice. its even got the title 'Dam This Pain is hurting' 😂I've got some front you have to or you get eaten

@JamesFTB Ай бұрын

Exactly why I said before I won't make type beats... IDC if it gets me where I want to be faster, I just feel it puts a mental strain on you to think like someone else and not yourself for me personally. Plus I don't think artists are so one dimensional that they only like one style of beat, image/brand or not.

@slumdrumz371 Ай бұрын

Missed the whole point fam no one actually makes type beats, it’s just for marketing content.

@JamesFTB Ай бұрын

@slumdrumz371 I didnt miss any points you are because I'm talking about what I said on another video of his in which I did not disclose. Stop trying to start an argument for no reason. And a quick search in your bar tells you plenty people make type beats, obviously it's only for marketing. I'm saying I keep my thought process in the art itself separate from that. Don't go in about missing points when you're the one doing so.

@slumdrumz371 Ай бұрын

@ people just make the beat they make and put a type beat name on it that’s what dude said in the video. The beats are original, some people just make a certain type of music, it’s for marketing.

@slumdrumz371 Ай бұрын

You said you would not make a type beat dude literally went over this same convo in the video when the guy said he could hear Kanye on it therefore it’s a Kanye type beat. That’s why I say u missed the point. If you see an artist on it then it’s a type beat if you don’t hear anybody on it then all u did was make a whack beat.

@JamesFTB Ай бұрын

@@slumdrumz371 I know what I said, what you're not understanding is that I'm talking directly to dj pain who replied to another one of my comments on ANOTHER VIDEO. He made another video about type beats that I commented on months ago and he replied to MY COMMENT. I'm talking to him not the people in the video. And I gave my personal take on why I'd never make a type beats even if it is only for algorithm's sake. Dude like I said I'm not about to indulge your need for a debate go play with someone else. There was no point to miss. This post was my personal take on the topic. That is all. You misinterpreting and internalizing my comment is your doing not mine.

@kaboombeats6185 Ай бұрын

All producers should check out this new platform where you get paid for your beat plays. 💯

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

man don't start

@JermaineLowden Ай бұрын

I always thought that type beats were beats that you could hear that artist on

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

@@JermaineLowden if only I said this 😂

@JermaineLowden Ай бұрын

@ I think about it every time that I finish a beat and I get their cadence in my head to see if it fits the track but I stopped putting type beats in the title because they were killing the type beats producers but I’m about to start doing it again

@bluffgawd Ай бұрын

Am I trippin or did illmind not even bring up type beats lol

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

4 seconds in, I say, “it got me thinking about my opinion of type beats” then I further distinguished between Illmind’s opinion and the context of my video, drawing a parallel.

@bluffgawd Ай бұрын

@ gotcha. I didn’t draw the same parallel. Thanks for ur perspective

@JayfkProductions876 Ай бұрын

I feel like he's barking up a tree bcoz I think every composer wants to be in the room but that's a gate kept privilege. Composers gotta get their tracks out in the world somehow & usually it's the artiste who request a particular type, it feels like we can't win

@dave3987 Ай бұрын

Type beats are like generic product from a factory line nothing original about it. Even the “Top industry producers” steal from underground unknowns. Where do you think new styles come from I can name several “producers” and artist who are fakes!

@gphyzz2934 Ай бұрын

Originality is still there ,just not appreciated or revered

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

@@gphyzz2934 not encouraged at all

@mitchellrcohen Ай бұрын

King of creativity has spoken 😂

@mitchellrcohen Ай бұрын

1 day ago posts 3 type beats lol

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

@@mitchellrcohen You're a professor and not only can you not follow a pretty simple video, but you use your day off double-trolling?

@CrisCozy Ай бұрын

So if you make a drake type beat and Nas uses the beat is it now labeled a Drake/Nas type beat? Or how about a Drake/Nas/Jcole/Kendrick/West Side Gunn/Lil Nas X/DMX type beat. When you create type beats you box yourselves in. Just create your own sound. A lot of it is just chasements. Get a 9-5 and make music after work and stay away from desperation mode.

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

I think what your hypothetical scenario is proving, as I said in the video, is that "type beats" don't exist. It just a keyword used for marketing. It's not a perfect description of what a beat needs to sound like.

@Pesos_Beatery Ай бұрын

💥

@bruceleeds7988 Ай бұрын

Yep, Type beats are a cop out

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

@@bruceleeds7988 wait I never said that

@theheartstringvirtuoso Ай бұрын

Back in the day it was popular songs to cover and jazz standards...you kind of have to play whats already in the heads of your crowd....at least labels for your genre so they can find you..everyone will be searching for that new pop hit right? so now all you have to do is ride those coat tails ..when it comes to creativity I I'm all for it! Sample! Steal. Plagiarize! Interpolate. Cover. Don't box yourself. .but.Ive given up on the type beat hashtags ..Lately I've been trying sarcasm like " experimental noise type beat" and "unhindged avant-garde cacophony type beat" 😂 better to be awful than unoriginal right? i can't take myself too seriously. But yeah, we're prisoners to SEO and algorithms now..... I'm not ready to bow down yet.

@Harlem-Instrumental Ай бұрын

Your beats can be dope & different. Just being different without being dope still sucks. Being dope but not different isn't interesting, but at least it's some what enjoyable as much as it's forgettable.

@7thangelz Ай бұрын

Yeah, just by changing the name of one type beat vid, what little views i got (20 - 60 over time) is cooked

@Gooooberx Ай бұрын

I kinda hate collabing with rappers. When I make you a beat and you're to scared to tell me "i pass on this" or "change it make it better" then that's it. No more collabing or free beats.

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

Communication is almost always the problem

@SIDotaku Ай бұрын

I disagree with Illmind entirely. Even Timbaland and other top producers PRE-make beats with a specific artist in mind. The idea that an artist will just sit and wait while you browse through a thousand hi-hats and figure things out is ridiculous and VERY inefficient.

@Sneakycat1971 Ай бұрын

Cookie Cutter

@divinedemon86 Ай бұрын

Type beats always came out as unoriginal & pretentious to me. I just started uploading projects to my channel and the first beat is literally labeled "ME type beat." Not with all that chasing sounds.

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

@@divinedemon86 😂

@slumdrumz371 Ай бұрын

I think people are looking at it wrong. I honestly Believe that anyone buying a 20 - 50 dollar beat is probably not a serious artist and you really don’t need the actual stems so you can just rip it from KZbin. I think using your beat page KZbin or otherwise is really just a way to discover artist and work directly with them.

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

@@slumdrumz371 so ‘old town road’ wasn’t a serious song? It was a $30 lease.

@slumdrumz371 Ай бұрын

@ no it wasn’t it became one. I don’t take dude seriously as an artist. Do you?

@slumdrumz371 Ай бұрын

@ also if the goal is to get a one off from a 30 dollar beat. Then just play the lottery. If you want to work seriously you have to produce directly and get that back end.

@slumdrumz371 Ай бұрын

I see type beats as just any other type of content.

@Wellykproductions Ай бұрын

3rd in here 😅

@ROGAROEBI Ай бұрын

Well well well

@SOULPHUR Ай бұрын

Type beats is a biter art form and illmind is right because the artist sucks when he can't rap on anything he hears the beat should be a challenge to the artist a beat should be free art form of originality

@mobbossgambino Ай бұрын

Not for me. I do wtf i want. Type beats be damned.

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

If you make beats for a living, how do you market them online without using the "type beat" SEO method?

@Pointguardtheory Ай бұрын

I respectfully disagree. I would argue that more producers on KZbin have the artist in mind before they make the beat and call them (such and such)type beats. It is a small percentage of KZbin producers that make their own unique beats and think that a type of artist would sound good on them, then label them type beats.

@DJPain1 Ай бұрын

@@Pointguardtheory that’s fine with me, we’re supposed to envision somebody using our beats if we’re producing for artists

@Cardoza.Nsmg3 Ай бұрын

Na I think beat makers know what they need to make yall probaly jsut hide bc you want to make money! 💰 right? Maybe yall saving for that big day and that momentum where everything is happening in the right way.

@Cardoza.Nsmg3 Ай бұрын

I see a lot of cool beats but most are jsut lacking, imo I think we all want to have those special beats, most beats I hear aren’t special. I look up a lot of underground beats but a shit load of beat makers I follow jsut kinda are stale af. I think If I went to get a beat done from scratch for my voice, it could turn out better than me searching for beats. But, I think it’s difficult doing that bc maybe most don’t look for their favorite beat maker and give em a chance and or we lack funds to pay for it OR we want to go to local music studios and depend of these people and lack the confidence to go through with it bc they might be ASS SHIT and or both we lack the funds.