AOA Egotistic Legendary Stage / Hyuna shows As* Cheeks / Arthdal, Vagabond Controversy [D-K NEWS]

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[@shannon504]

Being shook over Hyna's butt at a 19+ concert is like going to a twice concert and being shook over a princes dress.

[@q.monette2643]

IT WAS VERY CLEAR THEY WASN'T READY FOR SEXY SKIRT LIFT BUTT SHAKE TEASE.

[@Mass-produced]

Lmfao

[@catalayalafaye5337]

Or that Twice is throwing hearts everywhere

[@nayonika989]

South Korea is famous for plastic surgery

[@shannon504]

@@nayonika989 why is that relavent

[@BL00PY.]

Both covering up by wearing suits or having flesh showing in provocative outfits can be empowering, the key point is the woman choosing what they want to wear, not caring what others think breaking down stigma and stereotypes on certain images/topics in a conservative society. The woman's choice is what matters and gives them power, rather than 'The Man' (society) telling them what to do and wear / when it's appropriate and isn't appropriate or to their liking.

[@AramasG]

Exactly!

[@wiscofarms4519]

Reminds me exactly of CLC's NO

[@americanojoahjoahjoah6667]

Samara Gooch THANK YOU

[@lvlychxn]

yes!

[@w8stral]

Its not men telling women what to wear. Women do that. Tell me as well. Men, 99% do not give a damn. Women care.

[@rae2549]

David's parents probably watching this video and preparing all sorts of weapons to use on him

[@jaja231]

I am glad AOA did it on Queendom stage, a show that is super popular and a lot of people will see it, but it was just an homage to Mamamoo's stage in 2016 MMA and I hate that everyone is forgeting that. Mamamoo had strong, empowering, feminist lyrics and performances since the beginning of their careers.

[@misimatokastanley]

2016 was so boring it was like nothing happened there except we got some new rookie group that have showed the crush concept and literally 2016 was the year they had their first win it was nothing there yet they were still trying to process their fanbase more

[@TheSoAngie]

And they even invited queer dancers to perform with them, knowing that South Korea is pretty conservative and anything related to be lgbtq+ community is taboo

[@mockthestars]

Misimatoka Stanley lol not really, their international fanbase was built during 2015-2016, and it was not the first time they did something related to that, they also appeared in LGBTQ festivals a lot with no shame

[@kaisama2816]

Ja Ja maybe ppl think we’re biased towards mamamoo lol but I can clearly remember mamamoo at that time nobody really talked bout them I like aoa and I’m glad Korea is reacting to stuff like feminism etc etc but it’s a mamamoo cover

[@jaycruz9518]

Queendom isn´t popular, it just has 1% in views which for korean tv is quite crap, in other words not much people watch it. Though I'm happy for AOA for trying a new concept for them and showcasing mamamoo's performance from 2016, it makes me sad that a lot of people and Kpop stans don't credit Mamamoo and just hype AOA; do they deserve hype, well yeah, but credit where credit is due.

[@katie5920]

If they're freaking out about Hyuna doing something as small as that then they'd have a heart attack if they saw some of the performances we have here.

[@TalkingAboutYooh]

Now I can't stop imagining Koreans attending an old school 2Live Crew concert. RIP

[@legionofmusic1209]

...Mamamoo did it first, I love aoa so much, but they paid homage to Mamamoo's performance.

[@Bruniiiefy]

Finally someone understands it. People thinking that they are clout chasing is hilarious. It's a cover song.

[@yoursistersaccount1638]

No they didn’t it was Jimin’s idea to bring the performers on stage because they’re her friends/wanted to make a statement they didn’t watch all of mmm performances you can watch the show and see the planning stages

[@hubrismaxim]

Except they didn’t. Go look at the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHTXfmlvnZWqhdE - it’s completely different. They weren’t gender fluid dancers. The outfits were women’s suits not man’s suits. And the dancers were a side show, not the main focus. It’s utterly different.

[@legionofmusic1209]

Dude both of you fuck off, I didnt say copy. I said PAID HOMAGE. I was just trying to say that AOA didn't try it first. I STAN AOA, but jesus christ I'm fair when someone deserves attention and recognition. Back off bitches.

[@yoursistersaccount1638]

LegionOfMusic well no one was paying homage because they didn’t acknowledge any aspect of that mmm performance there’s similarities but no one was thinking once about MMA 2016 I promise you you’re making shit up then changing the goal post cuz ur mad

[@kidcaptainwembri]

Everyone: Omg AOA groundbreaking Queendom performance, feminism and gender reversal !!!1!1 Moomoos: .... Mamamoo MMA 2016 stage / entire discography: Am I a joke to you? ❗️Edit: A lot of people liked this for the comment written above (312), but something in my head just clicked. The reason why people are so excited about AOA's stage is bc it's coming from a group that has been over sexualised their entire 8 year career. This is "groundbreaking" *for them* because it's almost a complete 180 from their normal concepts. A sexy group turning around and delivering this type of stage may be unheard of. Mamamoo have become their own standard for feminism and being pro lgbtq+ as they have been doing it their whole career, but AOA have never done anything to this extent before. I thought AOA's stage had nice vocals and the dancing was good, they even tried to interact with the audience as well which was cute, but for a long time I didn't understand where the hype for this stage was coming from when Mamamoo had already done this idea. But now I understand. It's all about the context of the group AOA themselves. They must have been pretty scared to stray so far from their usual image (which had allowed them to be so successful all these years), but they did well in this concept, and tbh *for AOA, this really was a groundbreaking performance.* As a moomoo, I am proud of their performance. As a woman, I am proud of their bravery. It takes guts to try something new on stage, especially in a conservative country like Korea where you're not sure how people will react, and also in front of the public who are used to viewing you only a certain (hyper sexualised) way. I hope AOA will continue with this kind of concept because I feel this new side allows all the members to shine much more! Whichever direction they go in the future, I hope it's done with the members' consent and their own input. This moomoo will now be cheering for AOA in the future! 👏🌱

[@AgustinaRD5]

Just nod and smile y’all

[@ajc7295]

👏👏👏👏

[@faefae0619]

Yeaaaah thank you for the comment... IT WAS SOOOOO SIMILAR TO MAMAMOO STAGE i thought i was the only one noticing that 🙏🏼thank uuuuu

[@moonhwi3754]

YE! Precisely !! Not mad just pissed that people overlooked mamamoo

[@lina-ty1zk]

Lmao shut up

[@katkaat]

Can't notice anything but his blue tongue in this video... But regarding Hyuna, she didn't even show anything. Leave her alone!

[@sugasan4669]

Arthdal Chronicles truly deserves another season.

[@blahblah4990]

I agree, it's such a great show! We need a second season or like 8 more, I'd watch them all! If it's the end, I'm going to be so pissed since I got so involved in the story and we were basically just introduced to the world (in the show).💕

[@mariaceciliatorrea5696]

True.. On how it ended, it’s clear that there’s season 2.. like wtf is that?? If it ended that way 😪😪😪

[@devvv919]

For me it’s the best kdrama so far

[@yumandak7085]

Still waiting for the new ep of arthdal on netflix

[@hao7250]

I got traumatized with that endingitcouldnt be thay ending its just not iiiit

[@ioslugs]

*_Egotistic came for my wig_*

[@btsborahae9615]

i see you everywhere @dO yoU kNoW AnNyEonGhaSeyO lol. i kNoW AnNyEonGhaSeyO:)

[@amatakyiannan4030]

Fr when I saw the dancers come out I was like yess Queen hell yess they killed the song and the dancers also killed the dance 🔥

[@jeonkhargosh1213]

AoA's did amezing 😍😍😍😍😍.. But why did people forget mamamo in suits performing with drag queens in 2016 melon music awards... Guyz it was a bop too😍😍😍... Love both of them

[@claridelpagcu4441]

I know right!!

[@khaoulayagoubi6644]

EXACTLYYYYYYYYY

[@misimatokastanley]

I think basically mma 2016 was one of these days that mmm were not there yet cause basically in that no one intended to pay close to detail because of the big groups that were there like it's too vague but not even stronger I mean I think the performers were there for like a short time but when compared to AOA they used drag queens to showcase even more intense styles like we never got to see a deathdrop and a lot of hair whipping

[@jeonkhargosh1213]

@@misimatokastanley yes, totally agree with bigger groups taking the shine

[@bobansak2583]

@@alexgonzales9484 Imo your description would/could be the definition of "Drag Queen". For me after I researched Pinky Cheeks and their lead dancer I thought many people calling them "gender fluid" was a stretch. Also who the dancers "are" and what they represent can be defined differently even by the performers themselves?

[@sanu020]

David talking about dating culture and basically dating/doing things in secret is like,the most Indian(or maybe Asian) thing I have ever seen. My parents didn't even talk before getting married so... 😶👀 Danny saying I live alone so I can do whatever is like me now,just living away from parents fo the same reason 😅🤭

[@MickeyDee602]

When I watched the AOA performance I just thought it was an awesome performance lol. I didn't realize they were making such a big statement with the outfits and dancers, especially since Mamamoo themselves have done similar things in the past, but I'm glad that people are responding well to it and that it's sparking a conversation. All this commotion is just reaffirming to me that K-pop still has a long way to go when it comes to breaking conventions and societal "norms."

[@yayastedi]

Michelle Doering not similar things. It was almost a replica of mamamoo’s mama stage from 2016! AOA killed it tho

[@barbara_018]

@@yayastedi No, not a replica. Mamamoo's dancers were a gender fluid crew while AOA's were vogue dancers. The purpuse of their appearance was also different in AOA's performance they try to break the gender standarts and it centers around feminism. While Mamamoo started their performance with "You are the best" and the gender fluid dancers as a way to show support to the Lgbt community. Also Jimin was the one who came up with the idea of vogue dancers because they are her friends and she wanted to include them in a way (especially because it was a Mamamoo's song, their songs/lyrics scream girl power, equality etc.). So my point is, both artists did great with their performances and the DIFFERENT message they wanted to convey. So props to them both!😊❤️

[@Granxious]

@@barbara_018 Jesus christ are you alright. It's obviously paying homage to that performance it's not a debate.

[@hialyssah]

heck, this whole episode is really an affirmation of how Conservative Korea Is!

[@CatterinaPoe]

Can we just give a brief shout out to the fact that Mamamoo has been working full time challenging the status quo for women in Korea for YEARS? "Hwasa's ass" is damn important cause she's one of very few mainstream artists that's thicc af and creates her own beauty standards instead of trying to fit in. And she's proud about it which she's showing by her outfits. Her skin is not ghost-dipped-in-flour-white either and she's rocking it despite tons of criticism. Her being unapologetic about the way she looks and forcing the industry to accept her is massive for women not only in Korea. Moving on to the others - Solar's pole-dancing on stage, taking ownership of her sexuality, not taking any prisoners; Byul has been dressing in suits, ties and floor-length coats since forever, giving everyone these masculine vibes and turning heads, not giving a rat's ass about no gender roles; Wheein being mature, smooth and chill, advocating for female friendships, relying on her gorgeous vocals and dance skills to die for.. I mean.. I could go on.

[@baybeetacoo8734]

Yeah, the freshly rolled in cocaine look has to go. It really just makes them look so strange

[@kirra94]

I loved AOA's performance bc of how much research they did on mamamoo and all the elements of mamamoo they put in it. The bow jimin did at the being, I was like omg! Bc it's something mamamoo used to do a lot (especially byul), the suits, mamamoo wear suits all the time, the reverse gender thing mamamoo did in uoay and decalcomanie, and then of course dancing with feminine male vogue dancers that mamamoo did in their legendary stage of mma in 2016. I respect them so much for this and I hope they do more like this

[@shiftygirl6434]

Tea

[@kirra94]

@xing5678 because it can't be both? I'm not joking when I said I loved AOA's stage. I'm extremely impressed by them for doing it and they deserve all the praise. But when people act like (or think) this has never been done before and you inform them it's actually inspired from mamamoos mma 2016 performance people get mad? Anyway, both groups are legendary and overlooked.

[@barbara_018]

@@kirra94 It's not a replica though... Mamamoo's dancers were a gender fluid crew while AOA's were vogue dancers. The purpuse of their appearance was also different in AOA's performance they try to break the gender standarts and it centers around feminism. While Mamamoo started their performance with "You are the best" and the gender fluid dancers as a way to show support to the Lgbt community. Also Jimin was the one who came up with the idea of vogue dancers because they are her friends and she wanted to include them in a way (especially because it was a Mamamoo's song, their songs/lyrics scream girl power, equality etc.). So my point is, both artists did great with their performances and the DIFFERENT message they wanted to convey. So props to them both!😊❤️

[@kirra94]

@@barbara_018sorry, replica was a poor choice of words. I edited it. Thank you for explaining that so nicely 😁❤

[@barbara_018]

@@kirra94 Thank you for editing it and you're very welcome! 😊

[@edithkuils9727]

I think the reason why I lot of international kpop stan maybe didn't see the aoa performance the way koreans did is bc the Norms that were broken in the video are already broken in the west. Tbh we are just waiting for stuff to change this performance is helping it alot I applaud.

[@blahblah4990]

True, I just watched the performance and wasn't too shooked by it since I've seen it plenty of times (so, I'm used to it)...but I still mentally screemed "Yas! queen." I guess I'm glad that S. Korea is becoming more open.

[@cheshirecat5155]

Because we already saw Mamamoo do it in 2016 and we reacted then. This was nothing new, so to speak. AOA did great though.

[@LindaMitchell]

Exactly. If it wasn't for DKDKTV, I wouldn't know how conservative Korean society was so if I saw this performance, it wouldn't be that ground breaking me.

[@AramasG]

@Sythe jaguar I thought Good Luck performance was disjointed and not up to their usual standard. I appreciate what they were trying to do with it but think it didn't pull together as a whole very well. I loved seeing AOA doing something that was very different for them but of course as it was a nod to the songs original owners.

[@alexcyhna4570]

@@AramasG MNET put a whole extra minutes of reactions into Mamamoo's performance Go watch on without them, trust me it's far from disjointed

[@blackvelvet6165]

Isn't Hyuna the sexy icon? What else they wanted to see from her?!😂

[@yoya1117]

Bruh I don’t even understand the controversy I can’t even find any ass🧐

[@sweetheart037]

David: I'm still a virgin Also David: Oh I always lie 😂😂😂😂

[@ryzalchung8976]

Actually Mamamoo did it first during MMA 2016 where the Pinky Cheeks appears on stage first before facing off with Mamamoo.. During AOA Egotistic performance the drag performers were given more time to showcase their dance, voguing & tricks ability, for those who not familiar with drag queens that's an eye opener stage, & a good introduction for first timer..

[@Daphienie]

Yes! I like Mamamoo more but I think what made it different was that the drag performers were given the spotlight (they even stood at the front during the ending pose!) and the AOA members wore flat shoes as well. I've watched both but the performances felt VERY different. Maybe because this was unexpected from AOA.

[@illefantasy]

Daphienie Let’s not forget jimin’s rap

[@barbara_018]

First of all, Mamamoo's dancers were a gender fluid crew while AOA's were vogue dancers. (So no drag queens here bud). The purpuse of their appearance was also different in AOA's performance they try to break the gender standarts and it centers around feminism. While Mamamoo started their performance with "You are the best" and the gender fluid dancers as a way to show support to the Lgbt community. Also Jimin was the one who came up with the idea of vogue dancers because they are her friends and she wanted to include them in a way (especially because it was a Mamamoo's song, their songs/lyrics scream girl power, equality etc.). So my point is, both artists did great with their performances and the DIFFERENT message they wanted to convey. So props to them both!😊❤️

[@ryzalchung8976]

@@barbara_018 I do agree with you.. Let just say it for "EQUALITY"... Since I'm a Drag performer here in Malaysia as a Muslim country it's a bit hard to be accepted. I can say I'm very fortunate that people slowly accepting my art.. (sorry about me telling my story and it's way off topic regarding to Mamamoo & AOA performance)

[@DC-pj5ti]

"I've nEvEr sEnN a stAgE liKe tHiS" meanwhile mamamoo's ORINIGAL, LEGENDARY and NEVER DONE BEFORE 》 2016 《 MMA stage exists

[@jezzyb2829]

PREACH SIS :)

[@amy_ambrosio]

*We know but we want to stan AOA queens too,* periodt.

[@DC-pj5ti]

@@amy_ambrosio and we never talked about stanning. we also want to stan south korea's vocal and stage presence queens mamamoo whose concept is originality and live performances, but you don't see us going around saying that.

[@jellyjellywowie]

Like exactly

[@kpopmoonie3973]

Jolin did it first lol

[@YongSeoHanChaeKi]

And pls. Stop the fanwars. MMM and AOA are supporting each other. It's not about who did what first. What matters is that both groups showed support to gender equality and they are truly queens for doing that. Both groups are amazing. They deserve all the love in the world. ❤

[@kidcaptainwembri]

Something in my head just clicked. The reason why people are so excited about AOA's stage is bc it's coming from a group that has been over sexualised their entire 8 year career. This is "groundbreaking" *for them* because it's almost a complete 180 from their normal concepts. A sexy group turning around and delivering this type of stage may be unheard of. Mamamoo have become their own standard for feminism and being pro lgbtq+ as they have been doing it their whole career, but AOA have never done anything to this extent before. I thought AOA's stage had nice vocals and the dancing was good, they even tried to interact with the audience as well which was cute, but for a long time I didn't understand where the hype for this stage was coming from when Mamamoo had already done this idea. But now I understand. It's all about the context of the group AOA themselves. They must have been pretty scared to stray so far from their usual image (which had allowed them to be so successful all these years), but they did well in this concept, and tbh *for AOA, this really was a groundbreaking performance.* As a moomoo, I am proud of their performance. As a woman, I am proud of their bravery. It takes guts to try something new on stage, especially in a conservative country like Korea where you're not sure how people will react, and also in front of the public who are used to viewing you only a certain way. I hope AOA will continue with this kind of concept because I feel this new side allows all the members to shine much more! Whichever direction they go in the future, I hope it's done with the members' consent and their own input. This moomoo will now be cheering for AOA in the future! 👏🌱

[@mohammadmurtaza277]

The fact David screen caps DKDK livestreams as an excuse to spend the night out is hilarious. Danny's been his best wingman and had no idea HA

[@Sophia-di9pt]

I am really confused. Does everybody have partial memory loss or why does nobody remember Mamamoos MMA 2016 performance?

[@joso244]

Aoa's stage concept is strong than that stage of 2016

[@jjjulia127]

Jo So where?

[@joso244]

@@jjjulia127 It is difficult for male to wear women's clothing in Korean society. The meaning of performance in 2016 is still very concealed, but the stage of aoa is very strong.

[@ajc7295]

Jo So bruh wth you talking about?? 🤦‍♀️

[@joso244]

@Giulia Heim girl power

[@YaelKozeniuk]

Mamamoo did this type of performance first at 2016

[@thesea7965]

The world wasn't ready for them yet.

[@aditya3465]

Not on mainstream media though, it still takes lots of Courage to do something like that, so don't try to take credit away from AOA

[@hubrismaxim]

Except they didn’t. Go look at the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHTXfmlvnZWqhdE - it’s completely different.

[@misxfitx]

yeah, in fact when they asked for vouging dancers i was like oooh so they'll call the guys that danced with mamamoo back then, that's a nice nod!

[@alextalkey4304]

Yess boosting mamamoo original queens

[@carlaojeda2104]

AOA's performance is amazing and I didn't know how it impacted Korea cuz this normal for me and it should be normalized! I personally loved mamamoo's performance and the way they made the song their's and I will root for every girl in Queendom! they are QUEENS!

[@jeonkhargosh1213]

I am not a kdrama expert 😊.. But people love kdrama's more for their simplicity and story not for big budgets... Its something already happening in Hollywood.. And people left that for kdrama's.... I think they should make more dramas like '' hotel de luna ''

[@rainymanoban2119]

"people love kdramas more for their simplicity and story not for big budgets" ..this is the releast statement ever! am too lazy to watch hollywood movies that requires a lot of knowledge and attention to understand but kdramas are trynna be like them now SMH

[@massquessoya9949]

Mamamoo deadass did that performance in 2016 MMA

[@daniellemcvay8058]

The *cough* "shut up" had me dying.

[@rosalinas7445]

My queens mamamoo are being overlooked again :/ AOA was paying tribute to a performance they did back in 2016 mma that was almost identical.

[@mariaclaraguerra6937]

It was NOT.

[@rosalinas7445]

@xing5678 I don't know if you've watched the stage I'm talking about. Of course it wasn't exactly the same, they didn't bring in the exact same dancers or anything, I probably shouldn't have used the word identical, but for the people saying it's the first time anything like this has been done, the gender role reversals, suits, etc, that's completely false because mamamoo did this during their performance years ago. If the performances weren't similar, so many people wouldn't be talking about it in the comments section. And what was the different message? Aren't both performances about acceptance of diversity/lgbtq populations and not conforming to gender expectations and roles??? Also why are you getting so mad? It's not that big of a deal, both groups are great and talented.

[@wheeinqueen]

@@rosalinas7445 he didn't deserve your educated reply, his words really showcase how they are, gg stans thinks this is a competition, and not want to see how bad the sk public watched and treated mamamoo in 2016 after their performance, give credit where is the credit

[@tyfanatic01]

@xing5678 it was literally the same! The only difference was the song! Stop lying to yourself@

[@tuni16tuni]

Wtf!?? So when Mamamoo did this WAAAAY BACK in MMA 2016: the role reversals, the girls in suits, the drag queens...it was crickets but now that someone else does the exact same thing suddenly it's legendary and never been done before!???

[@onceyouwheeinyoucantwheeout]

xing5678 no one is blaming aoa. These guys literally forgot mamamoo did this concept in 2016

[@authenticinari-fox8164]

@@onceyouwheeinyoucantwheeout tbh, idk who mamamoo even is, cant blame us for not knowing a niche group

[@onceyouwheeinyoucantwheeout]

Korey Johnson clearly you know who they are since you called them niche. Not even hating aoa so chill. These guys are the ones that needs to do research

[@onceyouwheeinyoucantwheeout]

Korey Johnson mamamoo isn’t a niche though. Internationally somewhat but they’re popular in korea

[@authenticinari-fox8164]

@@onceyouwheeinyoucantwheeout them being popular in korea doesnt really mean much when were on an english speaking platform and channel

[@chloe191]

Ok mamamoo did this in 2016 mma awards with gender fluid dance group pinky cheeks and AOA paid a tribute to the song but go off I guess..

[@kpopmoonie3973]

It was literally a different song.... u think aoa have the time to go thru 3774374 mmm stages for one inspiration? Not to mention how jimin had the idea way from way before and is just waiting for a time to use it. The dancers that jimin personally invited were from different dance crews. Plus, mmm didnt do this concept first, jolin tsai’s 2015 mama perf was probably more iconic than all of them

[@chloe191]

@@kpopmoonie3973 Do u even know they had to cover mamamoo for queendom so they literally looked not at their MVs but award performances for inspiration. I am not denying Jimin might have had the idea the point here is they looked up mamamoo's award show performances and I am not against dkdtv crediting AOA the point is taking away the credit for their source of inspiration and that is wrong

[@kpopmoonie3973]

chloe 1. Mmm did dalca for first round so that was the only song aoa knew they couldnt do. 2. Every group watched the mnet comeback stages (not award shows.... did u even watch the ep) for the other groups songs to watch for choreo, they dont have time to watch 273473 other stages that are special stages with different arrangements and mixed up choreo. 3. Jimin had the idea before they knew they were covering mmm. Stop making everything about urselves. Jimin has been very thoughtful and creative ever since debut, she was the planner behind all of this. Stop taking credit for her ideas just because u r jealous that aoa got attention for this. Stop spreading the fake news that jimin “copied” mmm

[@Altyrell]

@@kpopmoonie3973 1st, the episodes are edited, so who ACTUALLY knows what they looked and didn't look at when looking at MMM's stuff.

[@enimisay3147]

*ARTHDAL WAS SUCH A GOOD DRAMA LIKE SOUTH KOREA MISSED OUT* it just too good uh the cast are so beautiful

[@mariaceciliatorrea5696]

indeed such a good drama, not a typical k drama out there, this drama will make you ask for more..

[@AnaMaria.Nova9]

I hope with all my heart for a season 2!!! Pleassss

[@taecive]

19:22 "mom I'm sleeping at Danny's" *Sends screenshots from lives Danny not even being aware of this makes this more funny 😂😂😂 "You haven't slept in my place once" eye- 😂😭

[@FelipeBomfim]

This Hyuna's controversy really helps to showcase the cultural differences. Here in Brazil, what Hyuna was wearing beneath her skirt is so big that it would shock zero people and would be actually made fun of. People here would say that she was wearing diapers...

[@angeldennis7042]

MAMAMOO literally did the exact same thing at MMA 2016......lol😂😂

[@ajc7295]

Mamamoo did a performance in suits with lgbt dancers back in 2016 MMA. I thought the AOA performance was a direct nod to that performance because they were so similar and they were doing a mmm cover. Surprised that it blew up when it had already been done before. I love that they are putting forward a great message though. Especially now that you’ve explained more about their history. I want to learn more about them now 😊

[@ajc7295]

Aulia Ardista Same. I think it was a fantastic performance, but it’s a shame that mmm aren’t getting the credit they deserve for this idea 😐

[@phoebeyuu4525]

Indeed. When I saw AOA's performance, I was happy because I thought AOA paying a homage to mmm. But then the story that blew up was that AOA's concept is so dang original by wearing suits and using queer dancers. I sort of understand if they said that AOA was getting out of their usual sexualized image and I'm happy for them (I start listening to AOA because of Queendom), but the way mmm getting neglected and discredited from their own original concept is so saddening.

[@ajc7295]

Phoebe Yuu completely agree 👍

[@abhignar3122]

How you gonna completely disregard the fact that mamamoo did the exact same stage (and actually sang 100% live) in 2016???? Research much?

[@Splexsychiick]

Not alot of people were/ are not checking for Manamoo.

[@DC-pj5ti]

Everybody stream Mamamoo's LEGENDARY ORIGINAL mma 2016 performance

[@Elena_lena13]

But Mamamoo did that back in 2016, didn't they?

[@alina.luna_]

Elena did they have the male dancers dressed as drug queens though?

[@marytravain5874]

Lunachka13 yes, they did

[@barbara_018]

@@alina.luna_ They were not drag queens they were a gender fluid crew,while AOA's dance crew is vogue dancers. Also the concept is not the same since both artists with their performances conveyed different messages one centered around feminism and gender equality (aoa) while the other's focus was showing support to the LGBT community and to embrace what you are (mamamoo). So yeah both performances were great! Let's not compare. 😊❤️

[@DC-pj5ti]

Do you have amnesia or something? All I am gonna mention is MMA 2016. Mamamoo really are the standard.

[@hubrismaxim]

Except they didn’t. Go look at the video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHTXfmlvnZWqhdE - it’s completely different. The outfits were women’s suits not man’s suits. And the dancers were a side show, not the main focus. It’s utterly different.

[@slapdashhallyu323]

@@hubrismaxim No one is saying it's the same to the T but the similar elements are there. They may not have shown on the show that they saw the same performance in 2016 but can anyone testify if they didn't see it before the whole show was announced or off camera or if it was edited out? Also, suits are just clothing. It doesn't need to be labeled as for who is supposed to wear them, as with other types of clothing. You still didn't get that from Mamamoo and AOA's performances? Isn't saying the dancers were the main focus allude that aoa isn't good enough to shine on their own? If it does, y'all better start having more faith in them

[@kal7222]

SLAPDASH•HALLYU aoa jimin put in those dancers cause they were her friends I don’t think they took inspiration from mamamoo for that or the suits because they came up with those ideas themselves on the show also in mamamoos performance the dancers were like a sideshow and their performance itself wasn’t about gender roles also drag queens have actually been used in lots of Korean performances before so it wasn’t very impactful to the Korean public I think also aoa has been victim of lots of gender roles and hardships around that so this is very symbolic of them breaking free whereas mamamoo has had the chance to just be themselves and free from that since day 1 mamamoos performance was amazing and the stuff mamamoos is doing is amazing too this isn’t a hate comment just trying to explain the reason why their performance didn’t get popular

[@slapdashhallyu323]

@@kal7222 You just said the same thing the person I replied to did. How is the message not impactful then and suddenly impactful now that more people are already aware? Just stick to the "new image for aoa" story line when you reply to other people coz it has more sense. Okay? Okay.

[@nayralopez3552]

@@kal7222 ma'am it was the same dance crew. And They started the Performance in a MUSIC AWARD SHOW, not in a show with 0.2% of viewers, Alone in the stage they were the main focus cause no was there to steal it

[@mamamoovotingteam3648]

This was kinda off,,, Mamamoo did perform with the some of the same dancers back in 2016 in Mgma, or MMA and No one put attention to it. Stop belittling them and your comment about hwasa is disgusting, she can do whatever she wants. It wasn't the whole pinky cheeks crew but I'm pretty sure some of them are the same

[@coconutmochi6402]

No, the dancers are all from different crews, handpicked by Jimin. That's one thing you can't say they took from mamamoo

[@barbara_018]

Y'all claiming that AOA got this from Mamamoo's award performance back in 2016 let me tell you why this is not true. Mamamoo's dancers were a gender fluid crew while AOA's were vogue dancers. The purpuse of their appearance was also different in AOA's performance they try to break the gender standarts and it centers around feminism. While Mamamoo started their performance with "You are the best" and the gender fluid dancers as a way to show support to the Lgbt community. Also Jimin was the one who came up with the idea of vogue dancers because they are her friends and she wanted to include them in a way (especially because it was a Mamamoo's song, their songs/lyrics scream girl power, equality etc.). So my point is, both artists did great with their performances and the DIFFERENT message they wanted to convey. So props to them both!😊❤️

[@Granxious]

@@barbara_018 fuck off

[@Kekekepeeps]

Watched all of Arthdal and it’s not game of thrones. I mean the only thing that made me think “this is the Korean game of thrones” was the fact main characters were dying left and right. I could see how they gathered “inspiration” like the glowing blue eyes maybe the wall but I mean game of thrones isn’t the first show to have these stages. I’ve watched other Korean shows and I’ll have to say this one has better acting and writing than most. They still assume the audience is dumb so they unveil events with the help of dialogue but I’ve come to the conclusion that is just how Korean dramas are. I will say that the cgi wasn’t that good and the blue/ purple blood looked like paint 🙄. The bear attack was awesome though.

[@JB-ki4of]

Khadijah Said Honestly I was so into the show I forgot about all of that the plot and characters were amazing

[@lasttofirst3335]

I just wanna say that YES, AOA did a great job but saying that it was the first is just a lie...SNSD's Mr Mr was about female power that they performed with suits as well and They also brought Transgender people in the scene in Holiday song and they also had that cute image so....

[@rosalinas7445]

Yeah, even AOA's performance was a direct tribute to mamamoo's performance at mma in 2016 where they did basically the same thing, but people seem to be glancing over that :/

[@ajc7295]

last to first The performance is also HEAVILY inspired by Mamamoo’s 2016 MMA performance. I know they were covering mmm, but the suits and lgbt dancers etc is literally a direct copy of that stage.

[@emrykin7127]

Also, Every international knows AOA’s performance was amazing, but things like this is not as shocking for international fans. Most of the west has already broken free from these expected gender-roles and we are just glad to witness the continued growth everywhere in the world. I hope the it continues past just this performance.

[@andreazetino812]

The fact that AOA it’s being praised for using suits while Moonbyul has been dragged for doing the same, and you guys only referring to Mamamoo to say that Hwasa is only looking for shock with her outfits just disappoints me, you forgot this was an homage paid to MMA 2016 and even if I am happy that AOA has open a door the door was unlocked by Mamamoo before

[@DC-pj5ti]

STREAM MAMAMOO'S LEGENDARY ORIGINAL MMA 2016 STAGE WHO PERFORMED FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME WITH GENDER FLUID GROUP PINKY CHEEKS IN FRONT OF EVERY ONE

[@DC-pj5ti]

@xing5678 girl first learn how to count. last decade means 2009-2019. and we are talking about kpop. all that aside, this still doesn't change the fact that they copied mamamoo's entire stage💋 now stan mamamoo and lee hyori who is mamamoo's and especially queen hwasa's fan.

[@DC-pj5ti]

@xing5678 what's the correlation here luv? lmao. we are talking about korean acts that did this kind of stage in the last decade and since your first "argument" wasn't valid you're trying to push something that doesn't even stand. jolin isn't korean. we are talking about kpop stages in the last decade. tell us more tho, it's getting interested.

[@authenticinari-fox8164]

@@DC-pj5ti you do know koreans copy styles from all over the world right? first they copied US music down to the rap, then they started copying south american and latin styles starting with KARDs stuff. you would be a fool to think they dont draw influence from everywhere when they have been since the late 2000's with stuff like Mirotic coming out as early as 2008

[@DC-pj5ti]

@@authenticinari-fox8164 you do know that we are talking about a pretty homophobic country where gender fluid groups that seems usual to us are actually something unusual to them ... even in this day and age. AGAIN. no one said that mamamoo invented shit, all their fans are saying is to give credit where is due. their PERFORMANCE, not the music genre, not the gender fluid dance group, not the suits, their PERFORMANCE was copied and that's a fact.

[@authenticinari-fox8164]

@@DC-pj5ti i mean if you say so, tbh i havent watched either performance cause idgaf about either group, AOA are has beens and Mamamoo i have never heard of till i saw the spam in comments

[@edev6070]

Only thing I’m going to mention MMA 2016.

[@psam2135]

I got goosebumps back then.

[@selenatautolo2199]

YAASSS exactly what I thought when I saw AOA's perf

[@arizwasseh1639]

"in the past decade" I laughed at how he was lowkey dissing what hwasas done and then said that because MMM literally did that 3 yrs ago buttttt k

[@12SailorLover21]

Leggo MooMoo's I can’t blame DKDK for not mentioning it if it’s not what the general Korean public is talking about. For some reason Korea wants to credit all of those concepts to AOA forgetting that Mamamoo did it first. Might just be a timing thing. Its unfortunate but happy these issues are being talked about

[@psam2135]

@@arizwasseh1639 they need views 😂

[@Hyescapism]

I think it's amazing that AOA let men perform in women's clothes where the overall concept was confidence and power. It's not like the usual where it's supposed to seen as comedic and hilarious. I gained mad respect for AOA after seeing that stage.

[@ajc7295]

Kenneth T You should check out mmm’s 2016 MMA performance 👍😊

[@rosalinas7445]

I agree, it was such a great way to pay tribute to mamamoo's performance at mma and then also make it their own.

[@LindaMitchell]

I need to look this performance up.

[@7mbbxmonstax440]

Please do talk about Park Bom issue and didn't mamamoo did this before the whole concept?

[@paulthe2mikolajdupontsrens586]

Karl Strass what happened to park bom?

[@arizwasseh1639]

A reporter compared her to a s*x doll I believe

[@alexcyhna4570]

Yes Mamamoo did

[@paulthe2mikolajdupontsrens586]

Ariz Wasseh that’s fuckiing bullshit. She isn’t an no sex toy. She an gorgeous woman. Even though she isn’t my bias or favorite of 2ne1. But she still an gorgeous woman

[@barbara_018]

No, Mamamoo's dancers were a gender fluid crew while AOA's were vogue dancers. The purpuse of their appearance was also different in AOA's performance they try to break the gender standarts and it centers around feminism. While Mamamoo started their performance with "You are the best" and the gender fluid dancers as a way to show support to the Lgbt community. Also Jimin was the one who came up with the idea of vogue dancers because they are her friends and she wanted to include them in a way (especially because it was a Mamamoo's song, their songs/lyrics scream girl power, equality etc.). So my point is, both artists did great with their performances and the DIFFERENT message they wanted to convey. So props to them both!😊❤️

[@hikariuchiha977]

This reminds me of that Bollywood actor whose like 50 now, unmarried and still jokes that he's a Virgin 😂

[@undramaticfanofworld9862]

who's the one you're talking about ?! Does his first name start with 'SA' and the surname is the biggest ruling thing in Bollywood stating with 'K' ? :)

[@bst6677]

Are you talking about the man who drives car on footpath?

[@lawrinedsouza4021]

17:35 my Indian ass couldn't relate more.

[@palakgupta4744]

That's what I was thinking when David said that

[@shreya446]

oh yes.

[@henaakhter9111]

omfg same

[@elisemaitre3176]

Mamamoo is really above their time. You all love to steal and discredit them for your own favs. This AOA stage is a full cover of mamamoo 2016 stage. I'm not saying that AOA were bad but the girlies didn't fo anything new. You all just hate that Mamamoo are doing their best for kpop to improve.

[@coconutmochi6402]

They didn't invent it even if they were first kpop group to do it, by that logic no one can do anything after someone does it first because its immediately "stealing". And AOA never said they're first to do something like that

[@sbyoutub3]

Mamamoo: *be different from other people* Knetz: zzzz Someone: *did the same as mamamoo* Knetz: whoa whoa whoa it's so groundbreaking tHatS sO gReAt

[@Shayri01]

Mamamoo’s moonbyul wears formal suits very often. I think Aoa was only doing what mamamoo has been doing since their debut, singing about female empowerment .

[@lyazzatbekish3371]

It's very strange that I thought that you are going to make good research in terms of the fact that Mamamoo did the same thing in MMA 2016. Disappointed a but, since trusted that you put efforts to the research.

[@arizwasseh1639]

MMA 2016. you might want to watch it...

[@marial709]

The first two episodes of Vagabond were so good!! For me, I loved Suzy’s acting! Idk why there’s so many hate towards her :( You can see that she’s definitely improving from WYWS and Vagabond. It’s still only the first two episodes so please don’t give up on her!

[@Zero-wk5sz]

Me too..I loved Suzy's acting... unfortunately..she received so many hate comments about her acting..🥺 💔

[@Chill_Jill]

Hi Danny I'm sorry you're sick I hope you feel better soon! I don't watch TV either!! 😉👍💕

[@sujini0818]

No offense but AOA’s queendom cover is a homage for everything that is MAMAMOO. Jimin’s bow. The MMA2016 stage of MAMAMOO with the gender fluid dancers. AOA did their research. If it was just a cover and a copy, how can it be legendary? Could have done a bit more research on your part perhaps? :)

[@fightfannerd2078]

true

[@lessonsinseconds3771]

Korea is really a biased and partial place and it gets clearer with AOA performance. When Mamamoo performed this concept of suits with drag queens, no one notices and no one feels empowered. But when other GG copies the same concept without proper references to the originals, they create sensation, goosebumps and legends. I have been stanning Mamamoo since 2015 and all these years I have felt, as an international fan, very neglected and biased and under appreciated. I wonder how the girls would feel in their own country! when all their goodness gets ragged under the fact they don’t have the beauty that satisfies the society. Sorry guys but this is heart breaking. Edit: The opinion that I had at the beginning (got up to 300 likes) changed a lot. My comment got a lot of responses where some were nice and others (not so much). So, at the end the takeaway is MMM and AOA performances were exposed to very different audiences and hence the varied response or in other words, attention. MMA 2016 performance could only appeal to mostly the fans who came to the event whereas Queendom opened its door to the entire nation. Their individual performance were both empowering and iconic. Now AOA might have mentioned about the MMM 2016 performance of Mamamoo and it might have got edited so things are pretty unclear in this regard. Also the stage concept of AOA in Queendom and Mamamoo in MMA 2016 are very similar yet a little different if you closely follow the show. At the end, after all the edits, we can just expect filtered contents for buzz.. So people who are scrolling the comments to taste the War between Moomoos and Elvis, it is a deep conversation 😅 but at the end, there is no denying that AOA gave an exceptional performance and broke past their moulds proving their real talents getting better by each rounds whereas Mamamoo also performed to their best and supported all other fellow colleagues with upmost cheer. ☺️

[@whatreallymatters571]

True. It's when "visuals" or pretty people do it, it's more shocking or something. Naww Mamamoo was creating lengendary stages way before AOA copied them.

[@sergel02]

Fatema Binte Mujibul the stage seemed like an homage to Mamamoo considering they used the same troupe. Part of the reason AOA’s stage was so powerful was the combo of the lyrics, Jimin’s rap, and the fact that AOA was always sexualized with their clothes and dances. They finally got to show a different side that juxtaposed with the drag queens.

[@lessonsinseconds3771]

sergel02 I also agree with you on the points of how they showed their talents and came out of their sexualised identity. But there is a thing called intellectual property. Many people are saying that it’s fine as long as the message goes through. But that’s not the case. When you borrow an idea, you referred to it. It’s that simple. I agree there were other elements in their performance that also contributed to making their performance successful and iconic. But the most important thing that made this performance iconic is their suit and the drag queen that are borrowed. It’s not okay to borrow some one else’s legendary stage and pretend it’s theirs! Watch MMA 2016 performance of Mamamoo and then let me know what you really think... I will be waiting for your honest opinion. ☺️

[@savvyjoonie]

I AGREE WITH YOU 100%..MAMAMOO DESERVES SO MUCH MORE...EVEN IN THIS EPISODE THEY DIDNT EVEN MENTION MMM's PERFORMANCE.DANNY SAYING HE HASNT SEEN THIS KIND OF PERFORMANCE IN THE LAST DECADE..I GUESS HE FORGOT ABOUT 2016 MMA PERFORMANCE..

[@sergel02]

Fatema Binte Mujibul oh I have and it was a fantastic and daring performance at the time and still is. They aren’t the first though to do that. Jolin Tsai, Koda Kumi, Ayumi Hamasaki, and others have done very similar things before MMM or AOA. Heck Solar’s part during Good Luck was similar to some of Koda Kumi’s lives for her concerts. There were some differences for sure in AOA’s stage as well. The lyrics of course. The lack of heels which ended up being more important than I thought it would (MMM still had their high heels on), the dance, the use of the dancers, etc. AOA certainly isn’t the first one to do it in Korea and since they are covering MMM it is a reference to them IMO, and credit is due to the original planners. But AOA made it so impactful through a mix of the stage the clothes the lyrics and how they used the dancers.

[@shinshin_8003]

To people who 'never seen a stage like this before' : GO AND WATCH MAMAMOO'S MMA 2016 STAGE df Also I'm thankful to Aoa for doing this performance. At least some ppl will now acknowledge what mamamoo did 3 years ago...

[@CutleryWonder]

Queendom is great, I'm really enjoying it. AOA did well but you're right, for a western audience there was no shock factor. I'm glad they did it though.

[@savvyjoonie]

Ohhhh...David You Naughtyyy boyyy😂😂😂😂 Also yeah AOA's performance was Awesomeee..but MMM did this before but it wasnt talked about as much as it should have..MMM is really Under rated man...Danny saying he hasnt seen this type of performance in the LAST DECADE..I mean did he forget ABOUT MMA 2016 whr MMM did this type of performance..They deserve so much more...MMM are the Queens KOREA doesnt deserve ..

[@bonaalmeida8473]

Some are forgetting that hyuna is an ARTIST and she is doing a show to entertain people , stop acting 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@Firefly-ie3qc]

Dating scenario is similar in India. Those conservative values are still going strong and sex before marriage is heavily looked down upon but for some stupid reason elders are okay with strangers boning each other on the first night of marriage. Also, sleep with as many people as you want after marriage but do it before marriage, you'll be DISOWNED.

[@nehakiran525]

" disowned is a bold statement, more like social isolation and scrutinized is more accurate. Indian here, and arranged marriage is shit in India, how do u expect to share ur life with sm1 without even getting to know them?

[@Firefly-ie3qc]

@@nehakiran525 you're right. I think the parents' reactions to pre-marital sex varies a lot. I have friends whose parents wouldn't hesitate in beating up there twenty somethings over this but then I have friends whose parents would mostly get angry and threaten to get them married off asap.

[@nehakiran525]

@@Firefly-ie3qc yikes, I really don't like such out dated thinking, its so ironic , these are the type of parents who would only want their children to take either doctorate or engineer ing, and arranged marriage after tht, they really believe tht this is the best way of living without considering the circumstances and consequences.

[@maouAOUT]

A much belated thank you for your thoughtful and insightful commentary about the AOA stage.

[@tuni16tuni]

AoA were clearly paying homage to Mamamoo's ORIGINAL performance from way back in 2016 and that's when it was really "never done before" but y'all love to pay them dust...

[@k.e.5110]

no hate towards AOA, however they basically copied Mamamoo's MMA 2016 performance. Mamamoo performed in suits, with men dressed as women in tight clothes and high heels, and had parade of males walking around... 'copied' was a bad choice of words, my apologies. I do watch Queendom, they're all established artists not trainees looking to debut. When you cover someone else's song, you wanna make it your own, put your own twist on it while still respecting the original artist. I respect AOA as artists even tho i do not listen to them and I understand why everyone was shocked because AOA's previous concepts that often sexualizes them wether it be the dance and/or clothes. It's just ironic that there's so much praise for that performance when Mamamoo do it at MMA 2016 and no one said anything

[@sltslt24]

I mean they where doing a Mamamoo song

[@aluminetroncoso7509]

I dont think that AOA has copied mamamoo. They just followed the path

[@Kimnojam]

It was a cover challenge, did you watch queendom? The decided to stay true to the mamamoo concept. When mamamoo did aoa's good luck they totally changed it and didn't remotely feel like aoa at all

[@literallyanything227]

What a stupid comment 😂😂😂

[@sltslt24]

@@Kimnojam but that was actually the point of the challenge. The challenge was not to cover the song like a trainee. The challenge was to make the song your own and truly show how much of a queen you are. I think this is the reason Gidle was such a disappointment. It looked like artist singing fire not gidle's fire

[@singularitystigma7086]

I don't care what y'all say, arthdal chronicles was amazing and I am really hoping for season 2.

[@iru8563]

Singularity & Stigma they said there won’t be any season 2

[@singularitystigma7086]

A girl can dream tho😁😁

[@natilanunez7977]

BRUH I LOVE IT, It’s more than just another fantasy drama to me, it shows how greed and power can corrupt and mold human behavior. It really breaks my heart if this is the end. 😭

[@blahblah4990]

I'm hoping for like 5-8 more...😂 I'm so invested in the story, so i'd watch them all.

[@fantasticandbeautifulvanes5852]

It's filmed soo badly and the acting is terrible.

[@Drewski217]

SO proud of AOA - they have proven again why they're such industry veterans and as an Elvis from the beginning I'm so proud.

[@heloooguysss5731]

But mamamoo also had vogue dancers during one of their performances

[@kpopmoonie3973]

So did lady gaga, lee hyori, madonna and jolin tsai

[@barbara_018]

No Mamamoo's dancers were a gender fluid crew and the message they delivered was different from AOA's. The two performances might look similar but they are different. Though both still have a great message to convey.

[@kpopmoonie3973]

i said jolin performed at MAMA and lee hyori is a kpop singer

[@blackpinkforeveryoung4436]

@@barbara_018 AOA's performance was inspired by Mamamoo, it's a Mamamoo cover so it's expected. The only diff bt the performances were that AOA sang another song and lip-synced almost the entire thing.

[@barbara_018]

@@blackpinkforeveryoung4436 Mamamoo's dancers were a gender fluid crew while AOA's were vogue dancers. The purpuse of their appearance was also different in AOA's performance they try to break the gender standarts and it centers around feminism. While Mamamoo started their performance with "You are the best" and the gender fluid dancers as a way to show support to the Lgbt community. Also Jimin was the one who came up with the idea of vogue dancers because they are her friends and she wanted to include them in a way (especially because it was a Mamamoo's song, their songs/lyrics scream girl power, equality etc.). So my point is, both artists did great with their performances and the DIFFERENT message they wanted to convey. So props to them both! Also the girls didn't "lip sing" you can hear their voices clearly... It's just that they got a back track also playing (which I admit at times it gets louder than their voices) however all kpop idols in occasions like this one use back track so... Idk what you're going at... 😅

[@marrra]

If that's how Arthdal ended, WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY DOING IN THE 3RD PART??

[@shubhamkulkarni7547]

DKdk news is doing an amazing job. You're helping the International kpop community with what's happening in Korea and in Kpop. Thank you so much guys .🤩👍👍👍

[@moomootdherll732]

I'm here for queendom . Mamamoo & aoa both really did a great performance ❤️

[@doritosareyammy]

i found out from the comments that mamamoo did the same concept so now i feel bummed out that i found it atonishing

[@ikra291]

That and AOA were watching all of Mamaoo Vids and were inspired which ws the Queendom task

[@g.h3874]

@@ikra291 not inspired copied lmao

[@marushinunakamura527]

Don't be bummed out! Just acknowledge that Aoa did this as an homage to Mamamoo and go enjoy Aoa's stage! They were very brave and also did a very good job covering Mamamoo's song and were so confident! We moomoos just want people to know this is an homage and not an oryginal concept. It is still okay to be amazed with Aoa's performance tho - Mamamoo were always confident and defying gender roles, but this is a big thing for Aoa and I am really proud of them

[@hialyssah]

don't be??? i mean it can still be astonishing in its own way. fans need to understand that acknowledging other's success or brilliance doesn't take anything away from their own or their faves'.

[@noranems668]

Mamamoo did the same thing at an awards show right?

[@edev6070]

Anonymous Author yes MMA 2016

[@poejirin1076]

Yes MMA 2016

[@fourthcave6680]

But i think that situation is totally different with this. One is watched by international/koreans fans and the other one isn't only fans also normal koreans citizens. So it makes sense why they react like that. (Sorry my english is not the best ;;)

[@4withsun77]

I expected a lot from you guys. I thought you guys of all people would do more research and see that mmm literally did that during MMA 2016. Im really disappointed.

[@sbyoutub3]

Me: *unsubsribe dkdktv*

[@joebahar6711]

so AOA did a cover of MAMAMOO like literally.. even to the very stage concept MMA2016... but of coz you didnt mentioned that right... legendary my a**.. do ur research first.

[@sarahishere100]

Hey they're just telling us what's happening there in korea. Plus mamamoo doesn't have the same image as aoa. When mamamoo did it it was amazing but they have already made their feminism views public but aoa has a sexy image where they usually singing about being in love. But it is true that mamamoo did it first

[@barbara_018]

Mamamoo's dancers were a gender fluid crew while AOA's were vogue dancers. The purpuse of their appearance was also different in AOA's performance they try to break the gender standarts and it centers around feminism. While Mamamoo started their performance with "You are the best" and the gender fluid dancers as a way to show support to the Lgbt community. Also Jimin was the one who came up with the idea of vogue dancers because they are her friends and she wanted to include them in a way (especially because it was a Mamamoo's song, their songs/lyrics scream girl power, equality etc.). So my point is, both artists did great with their performances and the DIFFERENT message they wanted to convey. So props to them both!😊❤️ As for AOA's performance becoming a bigger deal was because 1. Korea at the moment is struggling with gender equality since Korea it's still very patriarchal and feminism is still shun upon. And 2. because AOA so far have had sexy concepts (for which they were harassed a lot by knetizens... Calling them sluts etc.) so I guess for them it was a big surprise to see this side of AOA. 😊

[@joebahar6711]

@@barbara_018 i agree with alll of ur points but just a one question.. who was the first girl group idol in SK to bring a non-binary group to the stage? that's it.. thats the main question... and honestly.. the act of jimin calling her friends to be included screams that she had at least watch or seen or known about Mamamoo's previous stages.. the coincidence is just to big. 'To cover Mamamoo, in suits with non-binary dancers but claiming it was not inspired by Mamamoo is the biggest B.S that i've ever heard..' and my post was about the pricks calling the stage legendary. when not only it wasnt the first performance to be done like that in SK, MMA 2016 is a bigger stage compared to a low rating reality tv show... AOA was awesome,the performance was good, I've always like Jimin as a top-tier rapper. but give credit when credits is due..🙏😐

[@barbara_018]

@@joebahar6711 The first girl group to bring gender fluid dancers on stage would be Mamamoo and they still remain the first since AOA introduced us to a new/different group of dancers which is vogue dancers. Also we cannot claim things we haven't seen... She could have lied or actually said the truth. Jimin in Queendom said that she wanted to include her friends for a long time and that now seemed the perfect chance maybe because she got inspired by Mamamoo or because she had the feminism centered idea already set on her mind... We will never know for sure. Also about the suits... Other groups have wore them too Mamamoo It's not the first or Last group to do it and I think AOA did it as a way to make contrast with the vogue dancers and as a slap to the ones claiming they only wear sexy/revealing clothing. As for the stage being legendary... It is. Both stages are and the messages both stages wanted to convey were well portayed. As for Koreans not hyping Mamamoo as much I have already left 2 reasons above and a third would be that maybe they where not yet ready for it. 3 years It's not a small amount of time. Korea takes baby steps each year honestly though they are still behind compered to the West.

[@estah97]

Hyuna’s backup dancer went ‘and I oop’ 😂

[@fightfannerd2078]

0:50 I don't think he understands what feminism is about? Girls can do sexy concepts & there is nothing wrong with it

[@nininoona]

Correct. They can do sexy concepts. But when they are made to do them, that's not feminism. It's sexism. When they choose to do them of their own free will, to empower themselves and state unequivocally that they are proud of who they are and their bodies and themselves as women; needing no approval from others; that is real feminism.

[@fightfannerd2078]

@@nininoona no thats man hating i didn't talk about forcing anyone to do anything but i agree with you that you don't need to appeal to anyone but thats not what i was talking about? both men & women are sexual & social beings true confidence is not being ashamed of your body

[@alexcyhna4570]

Are everyone just going to ignore AOA's stage was inspired by Mamamoo's Decalcomanie stage in 2016? And let me remind you, Mamamoo did it on a big awards show and not a program with 1% ratings And yes here we are, forgotten and discredited lol

[@srsh12345]

The clip at the end with Jessi in Rap Star was awesome. If possible, drop more of those great tv moments. It gives me something to look up after watching your video. Thank you.

[@jjjulia127]

I even don’t want to watch your video about “ikonic performance”, guys, and it makes me very sad because your videos are always interesting and help me to understand Korea. I’m from Russia, and moomoo from 2016. And I was disappointed watching that AOA’s performance, really, it was so obvious that the idea was from MMA 2016... So, I hope you will watch it too. Watch EXO’s and BTS’s reaction (fancams) on this LEGENDARY MAMAMOO’s stage. And after that - watch AOA again. The main idea of my speech: If you want to cover MAMAMOO (like Seventeen did, for example), you need to invent smth new in MMM’s style but not stealing it. And if you decided to make a video about smth, be ready for negative comments, if you didn’t make a research about topic. Sorry for my English, the emotions took my brains and put them away)

[@ajc7295]

jjjulia127 I agree with you (and your English is great 👍).

[@jjjulia127]

Ashley Clarke thanx a lot 😘

[@innerato8781]

Lmao mamamoo did it first yet yall sleep on it but when another group does it's legendary. While boldly lipsyncing too? Yalls standards low lmao

[@ohyeah2498]

Stay salty yall. Lol

[@ajc7295]

lulu 42147 👏👏👏👏

[@innerato8781]

@@ohyeah2498 u literally proved 0 points but go off ig

[@maielor6377]

I never understand why fandoms have to tear down other groups to raise theirs up. Smh.

[@innerato8781]

@@maielor6377 im not tearing anyone down lmao its the truth yall just cant have this conversation yey

[@CrookedOrange]

I love DKDKTV but that Hyuna section is cringey. Hyuna is her own woman, she is not looking for your validation. That is what empowerment is.

[@kiranbaig7573]

i don't want arthdal chronicles to end like scarlet heart. i mean viewers were expecting season 2, but unfortunately there was non. so let's hope for the best ...

[@nuestbugi1677]

New subs here. I watched few videos before but didn't bother to subscribe, 1 thing that got me here is this kinda segment or topic cuz as non Korean and just a simply follower of all things in Korea this makes me more understand what is going on around rumor,scandal,good things happening in Korean industry, I saw articles in soompi allkpop that's all the access I got but don't bother to open the link and read it, but this just simply like listening, put on your earset, put on your phone to you pocket and do what you want to do,it's like radio 🙂, so love it. Thank you.

[@onceyouwheeinyoucantwheeout]

Love you guys and not hating on AOA. I loved their stage but please do more research. Mamamoo did this type of stage before with the suits and drag queens back in MMA 2016. Don’t just go and discredit their performance because that is legendary

[@nininoona]

In the western world, what Hyuna did was absolutely tame. So, from my point of view, I didn't see anything wrong with what she did. However, I understand why someone from South Korea would find it inappropriate, considering how (overall) it is more conservative than my particular country. I do not agree, however, that she should have had to clarify or apologize. Shaking/Showing her backside is NOT the same thing as flashing bare body parts. She was well covered and all you really got was a shot of her shorts. Kpop girl groups wear even skimpier outfits and do even more "inappropriate" dance moves (in regards to Korean conservative thinking) that should raise more eyebrows than a few seconds of her little shake. Also, just to clarify one thing you said about AOA's performance. Those dancers were NOT Drag Queens, they were men dressed in drag. There is a huge difference between the two.

[@SirenRising]

Nini L I don’t see the issue with Hyuna when male idols get on stage half naked all the time humping the air. It’s a clear bias.

[@TheWickedForest]

When ever i get confused about anything going on in Korea i just come to your channel cause you both always give so much information on why it's a big deal there and clarifying things us English speakers miss or just don't understand

[@duckydoes]

“I’m not on tinder” ... Cue the ‘why you lying’ song. 😂 That whole conversation was hilarious.

[@yoongyoong8490]

I think that the international audience didn't really comment on the big impact this performance made on the korean public because we're pretty accustomed to these kind scenes. I'm not saying that all international people are super exposed and accepting to these kinds of manners but stuff like this has been exposed pretty frequently to a lot of international people.

[@capucine9601]

Calling a*a perf legendary when the actual legendary perf happened 3 years ago but nobody noticed it 😑

[@mariaclaraguerra6937]

Are you so scared of aoa you have to censor their name?

[@123exo2]

Let’s take a moment to appreciate how AOA , a group known for sexy image and who blew up because of their sexy songs or men praising song like heart attack , made a 180 degree turn and showed such a powerful empowering performance like this. Not only they put out bold feminist statement, suits not feminised with flat shoes and all. And back dancers dressed in skimpy clothes and high heels/make up / jewellery etc and given front stage and highlighted . Above all aoa wore dark lipsticks and had darker makeup so they completely threw their sexy image out of the window. There is a reason this stage blew up in korea even though the stage has been done before differently by many musicians but not on the way aoa has done. Learn to read between lines and situation.

[@romi6374]

I felt soooooo freaking happy watching that Performance. Absolutely loveeee the concept. Everything about it was sooo cool. The girls were soooo beautiful and cool.

[@audreyy3057]

Danny ru ok? That t shirt's scaring me...

[@zoie4000]

Why is that?

[@zoie4000]

@Black To Grace I read some of the words but, I'm not understanding why OP is scared? Did I miss an episode where Danny talks about his shirt? Is he supposed to wear it when he's upset or something...?

[@linaahm7499]

he was always open about his mental health :p

[@FEIthful88]

Can we just rain them with MAMAMOO MMA 2016 PERFORMANCE VIDEO? They are the root of what aoa do for this concept this time. Everyone who say the other way is just blind and being ignorance. DUH

[@ma-ri-ko]

Thank you for everything you do, I’m really glad to hear AOA’s performance is being met with congratulations! Things get scarier for queer folks more often than not, I’ll take all the wins we can get 💖 bless y’all for the context you provide

[@misswildflower]

I wish you would stay consistent with your research (as you have somewhat been with previous content) in regards to ' aoa - a new era of kpop, introducing feminism and gender reversal'. This doesn't happen overnight and is a pretty bold and far-reaching statement. Are we just going to ignore mamamoo's revolutionary MMA 2016 performance and pretend it never happened? Or the fact that aoa's performance was literally influenced by MMM's concepts and ideals? I do think they did a good job but credit should also be given where its due.

[@mareiketimm5835]

I really enjoyed arthdal chronicles💚 it was really nice to watch