[DND] People say Fighters are boring, but this is how I see them:

There's this video that popped off online a few months ago and it's been living rent free in my head for months now. Unfortunately the audio and video quality was really poor so I decided today was the day to make an HD version with a tighter edit and an admittedly shoddy first attempt at isolated audio. Hope you enjoyed!
Music:
Rammstein - Ich Will (Nazgul Instrumental Cover)
• Rammstein - Ich Will I...
Original clips:
The Elder Scrolls Online: High Isle Launch Cinematic
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"Fighter is my second favorite class ngl"
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[@Paladruid]

Hey, that's my video. I'm glad it got stuck in your head

[@marokyea99]

Yeah you nailed it man! It absolutely nailed the vibe of fighter to me so thanks so much for giving me that. Would you like me to link any more of your stuff in the description like I did with the reddit post?

[@Paladruid]

@@marokyea99 Nah that's not needed

[@Vedlom]

This is not your video lmao, it is a clip from one of the ESO trailers.

[@Paladruid]

@@Vedlom The video I was talking about is the video he linked in the description.

[@denji3397]

​@@Paladruidsay music then 😭 you confused everyone but nice music

[@pepe-zj6cn]

How I see the human fighter: "This game is turn based, and I am based so I will take all the turns"

[@TheLaluciDaniel]

this is glorious!

[@epicstyle1000]

🤣

[@jareddebeast]

I mean you can attack multiple times in one turn if you play your cards right

[@headwreak1768]

This sounds like a Max0r qoute lol and i like it

[@ethansouthwick6380]

This is what I will say, in character, for my dnd fighter character, and in-game the NPC's will have no idea what I'm talking about, as I then get to Samurai flanking action surge all over em.

[@tripps3631]

"You've been disarmed, Sir Knight! Surren-" *THWACK* "FOOL! The sword was the only thing keeping you from catching THESE HANDS!"

[@platinumchromee3191]

His hands are rated E for Everyone in current dimension.

[@Echo_1773]

damn thats good@@platinumchromee3191

[@horrorfan117]

"The sword was there for _your_ protection! Not mine!"

[@alertedcoyote7892]

Man switched from two handed to dual wield

[@PaulaAmato22]

Unless he's fighting a Monk like that then he'll be the one catching hands

[@flamefox0926]

Enemies: *Disarms him* Lets go, he doesn't have a weapon Him: *breaks the barbarian's axe* Incorrect now i am dual wielding

[@shikikankillzone4239]

*"Fool! Now I have two weapons"*

[@asteropax6469]

“My fists are Des and Troy! Together they are Destroy!”

[@ihavetheperfectplan3240]

Enemies: *Disarm him* Ha ha,he has no weapon! Knight: *kneads his fists* Enemies: Oh no, he has no weapon!

[@Sonichero151]

Much like when the Doom Slayer is out of ammo....... *IT gets way worse*

[@Punishthefalse]

@@asteropax6469 Name the fists 'Un' and 'Deux'. Add a kick and name the leg 'Trois'.

[@sweetsleeperagent]

The beginning where he turns his sword upright and into a stance just shouts, "Now remember, you all asked for this...."

[@stephencrompton4352]

That pose at the start is how you salute while holding a sword.

[@TaurusTheCrazyBull]

@@stephencrompton4352 Professionals have standards after all

[@Archangel444]

love the jack reacher reference

[@jmvt3]

“Why bother playing a human fighter in a fantasy setting when there are so many other exiting classes and races to play?” “So I can fight all those classes and races.”

[@matsh5633]

Good one lol.

[@nicholasfly5914]

And win.

[@a_angry_bunny]

I believe the fighter in the video here is a Breton, which is the closest equivalent to a half-elf in TES.

[@crassiewassie8354]

@@a_angry_bunny I mean kind of half elf but Nords are also kind of half elf I think Bretons are more elfy than nords but nords where still at one point elves as with all intelligent races Except like Argonians or something who where lizard men who learned how to talk. I may be forgetting other races who didn't come from elves but i'm pretty sure it's just argonians Feel free to correct me though :)

[@silasstryder]

Kratos approves

[@Steir12]

Elven mage: Parry this you filthy casual! Fighter: *parries this* Elven mage: *turns into catapult projectile*

[@joelsasmad]

The thing is that I'm pretty sure this is about D&D where people usually are complaining about the mechanic rather than the concept. When you have no option to "parry this" you don't feel like the badass fighter you should be.

[@Veldazandtea]

@@TheKingmetroid And how is the spell parried by a sword? If you can't stick to immersion then you miss the point of D&D. Stat sheets and numbers will never outdo immersion that makes sense. Give a REASON for a spell to be parried. In this case the fighter draws back as the casting hand misses and he counters with a fist. Can also grab the arm/shoulder. etc. If you're getting creative with it you can have a fighter toss sand/dust in the mages eyes to distract. If they're fighting in a place with sand or dirt or something. Basically being a sneak bugger like Owman from Sekiro. Or you could- I'm getting so many ideas now. I tend to main fighter in D&D computer games. Warlock and mages are also fun though (pre BG3. It's not the same when familiars don't play/talk back).

[@defalttheloner]

​@@Veldazandteausing the trailer as a basis, the spell needs casting and a catalyst or hand pointing the direction of the cast. In melee range a parry could be the Fighter, like in the clip, twisting the hand back to the user wich made her fly like a plushy toy.

[@hollowknight3342]

​@@Veldazandteaone word my man mage slayer; you can have immersion and mechanic. Or Another example could be battlemaster fighter disarming the focus of caster(focus as in the item they need to hold in order to cast the spell)

[@schwarzerritter5724]

The rogue and barbarian can survive this with a few broken bones. The mage hit the wall hard enough to shatter basalt.

[@Felix-ic1fc]

"Every good fighter is a medieval version of John Wick" -Sun Tzu the art of war

[@akedus44]

Since every optimised DnD Fighter is some flavour of hand crossbow spitting 5 1d6+10 bolts in a single turn thanks to sharpshooter and crossbow expert, this checks out. They can even go into melee range for crossbow-fu if they really want.

[@Sonichero151]

Every man, medieval or not is one murdered beloved away from becoming John Wick

[@IvanTheBikerFromSpace]

True

[@warangelthelight2077]

John wick dreams he could be an astartes. . . . . . .They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines such that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear.

[@Veldazandtea]

Sun Tzu never said that. Also the. Name. Is. Neo.

[@shmeebs387]

Sometimes you want to be Batman surrounded by the Justice League. You want to be the guy who gets by by his own strength, determination, and skill. No magic. No rage or stealth or underhanded tricks. No gods or nature spirits granting them powers, just a guy with a sword standing in front of a monster and everyone else standing behind you. In a D&D party with wizards, druids, and clerics, the plain fighter is sometimes the most unique.

[@castbet9183]

Oh yeah I’m my party my fighter has thus far dominated and owned the battlefield pushing & maneuvering the enemies to provide more advantageous opportunities for my allies. I actually killed an NPC with nothing more than my reaction & two actions

[@jago668]

I ran numbers for level 20 on the original 5e phb. Champion fighters on single targets out damaged everyone but paladins vs undead/fiends. Paladin vs undead/fiends out did fighters but you can't always pick your enemies (was 85 pts higher over the 5 rounds). Evocation wizards were kings of mass damage (no surprise). Was done on a 5 round combat. Our houserule for crits was max plus roll instead of just rolling twice the dice. So the totals would be lower for complete raw, but fighters would still be ahead.

[@shmeebs387]

@@jago668 From a game balance perspective, fighters and barbarians should be doing the most damage because they have the least utility and mobility options (though a dex fighter could just use a bow). At higher levels, you're more likely to fight things that can fly and teleport. You're very rarely able to just stand in melee and whack the BBEG the whole fight. They're more likely than other classes to need to burn their action dashing or need to wait for something to come into range.

[@ReedSolutions]

Dungeon Master : this room caused all magic render to be useless *Party member looking at fighter* Fighter : : 🗿

[@Blackout-5607]

That's why i love souls games, make a quality build, and go defeat the very gods with only skill and sheer will.

[@ST0AT]

I love that this scene has become the calling card of Fighters all over the world

[@F0wlPlay]

Fighters finally getting some love outside of the memes of them being basic bitches. :P Like "Yeah, but I'm still gonna kick your ass...basically"

[@godlymegatron5698]

Hulk Smash!

[@Pk-yi3wx]

Because this is exactly how it feels like

[@martinhill9561]

Because it was done correctly.

[@XxInfinityxXTimer]

Ninja murder hobo rogue proceed to stealth kill everything: **wait there's a fight?**

[@UselessBunny]

-Fights a 1v3 -Has a Zweihänder -Outskills them all at the same time -EVEN DIES IN GLORY -But wait no ... HE LIVES WITH GLORY

[@braveherogreenleaf6256]

THE REVERSE GRIP CROSSGUARD PARRY

[@Blowtorch87]

He didn't die. At the end of the cinematic his hand moves

[@eliotw149]

Died a legend

[@metallichurch]

-Is crushed by building -Dies -Angry at witch fuckery -Decides not to die

[@braveherogreenleaf6256]

@@metallichurch Music sauce is Rammstien's "Ich Will", and being german for " *-I WILL-* ", is now the new D&D fighter base skin theme

[@Alvadar65]

I always play a Pally, but whenever someone says that playing a fighter is boring, id say that in a world where there are people throwing fire, raising the dead, turning into all sorts of animals and bending the laws of reality to fight things, id be really afraid of the one dude fighting against them who has none of that. Just a dude with a sword, he has to be pretty damn lethal with that sword.

[@tempest3394]

@Alvadar65 Spitting straight facts my guy.

[@Sonichero151]

In a world of gods and monsters...... the most terrifying thing is someone who needs none of that to fight....and to win

[@filipvadas7602]

Literally a pitch perfect description of Guts

[@damienuldry8565]

You are goddamnn right

[@johnwolf2349]

basically the same goes for Soldier Shepherd in Mass Effect. You've got telekinetics, people that can set you on fire, combat drones, eldritch space monsters, and the best person to fight them is just Man with Gun.

[@jokervynehahaha5568]

To play a Fighter is to say, "I will distinguish myself on the battlefield not the blackboard."

[@damianallen4964]

Amen. Even when I play Paladin, I'm thinking like a Fighter.

[@icetide9411]

"I'm here to kick ass and kick ass, and you have an ass." - The Fighter Motto

[@rayanderson5797]

"And it's a really nice ass!" -The Bard

[@skell6134]

​@@rayanderson5797And combine it and we get Battlemaster+College of swords multiclass))

[@theherohartmut]

"If you've got an ass, I'll kick it!" -Wimp Lo

[@joshmariotti2844]

"You can play as any exotic race you'd like. You still have an ass for kicking." -Dave

[@gwingcommander]

I'm Commander Shepherd, and this is my favorite comment on the Citadel

[@Lizzardtong]

A druid knows the ways of nature, a wizard learned the ways of the arcane, a berserker knows how to hit hard and angry, a rogue knows how to stealthily take out a target, but a fighter has dedicated their live to the art of war. all classes *can* fight, but fighters are called fighters because they know *HOW* to fight.

[@hallowedbeyourdays]

War began with the warrior - we both stand on the shoulders of giants.

[@AQS521]

And warlocks are just lunatics hahaha

[@tacoisrocket2765]

​@@AQS521Not all warlocks are insane though. Honestly the line between a Cleric and a Warlock is pretty thin.

[@Just_som_Ottur]

Meanwhile my sorcerer ass that somehow _achoo’d_ myself into another plane of reality and am now currently drifting through the astral sea-

[@wolfgod6443]

(Spoilers for game this cinematic is from). Ironically, that knight is secretly the king of the druids by birthright.

[@thenexgamer5608]

Fighters are like blank canvases, people think they're boring because they haven't the imagination to make them pieces of art

[@coolio104]

Agreed. I was able to Make a Captain America style fighter in d&d; I've had so much fun being real creative with him than almost any other character I've made. For example, we had to fight a hag. In the morning, I put on a performance that I was a ptsd-ridden old soldier to get her sympathy/annoyance to look in my room for rats. We shut the door and went to town on beating her down. She turned invisible to hide but then I whipped out my waterskin and sprayed in her general direction, making her visible due to the floating water. So much fun.

[@user-mu8ok5xf8d]

I play a dwarven fighter and the party jokes on how I’m the scariest thing in the party. One time we had to escape a big encounter while a ton of minions and a boss we weren’t ready for showed up. While everyone else was getting the plan ready to get out I held the entire force back for multiple rounds to give them time. Fighters are not to be fucked with

[@Bugga451]

@@coolio104 Magic classes getting their shit kicked in never ceases to amuse me. Imagine being a trickster hundreds, possibly thousands of years old. You've taken many people's souls and have mastered the art of magic and manipulation. Only to be outplayed by a grunt with a sword and a bucket of water.

[@yawarapuyurak3271]

You know you good at writting when the most memorable character is the human fighter.

[@Nykandros]

Fighters are boring because they're going up against a cast of mfs that can take souls & manipulate the laws of reality when all they can do is "hummdurr muh sword" before being deleted from existence by some annoyed mage lol

[@DarkArtistKaiser]

A thing I like about this is is whoever animated understood a important rule about large swords like this. *The whole sword is a combat weapon, not just the blade*

[@Grooveworthy]

yeah, that pommel strike to the kidney would actually hurt SO MUCH

[@anton.chigrinetc.96]

Not just a large sword, but literally any sword. Or any weapon.

[@botondnyitrai3128]

@@anton.chigrinetc.96 yeah, but most of the time a smaller sword is easier to handle. Less weight, shorter, so much easier to swing, you would rarely need to use anything besides its edge. But with a zweihander like this one, each swing would be a huge opening for the enemy, so you have to use its pommel as well.

[@thejoaquindead9515]

@@Grooveworthya pommel jab like that can break ribs

[@Grooveworthy]

@@thejoaquindead9515 yeah, I mean a solid punch can break ribs, let alone that.

[@GlueEater-ix9gl]

a barbarian a ranger and a rogue walk into a lv20 fighter....

[@aylix2137]

I have a question. Canonically what does a lvl 20 fighter look like? It’s not like wizards who can just increase more and more in magical power, there’s a limit to the strength and even weapon skill that a baseline human is capable of, are they magically augmented somehow? What does it look like?

[@GooseEnjoyer]

​@@aylix2137just the most skilled warrior you could find. So nothing magical, just pure skill.

[@aylix2137]

@@GooseEnjoyer then wouldn’t a lvl 20 human wizard absolutely btfo a lvl 20 human fighter?

[@GooseEnjoyer]

@@aylix2137 not really, it depends though. If they have no magic items, the fighter can win if he plays it right.

[@aylix2137]

@@GooseEnjoyer but a d&d wizard is like a low-level minor deity at higher levels, there’s simply no countering that as a base mortal without some kind of protection…

[@the_infinexos]

"Huh, he doesn't have his face exposed - he's clearly not a named character or protagonist. Should be an easy fight for our par--"

[@platinumchromee3191]

Then said party gets annihilated and yelled off a cliff.

[@emetanti]

Never underestimate a Johnny DarkSouls if you didn´t bring Heat Metal to the fight.

[@magmos6346]

Conservation of Ninjutsu in action. The faceless mobs are weak individually, but the guy who stands away from them is the most badass guy in the room.

[@Veldazandtea]

How quickly they were corrected.

[@Aceshot-uu7yx]

That, that was people fighting Artorius for the first time.

[@sadaderlangga17]

In a world where magic, monsters, and dragons exist. The fact that these fighters, these warriors who are just human could stay alive for this long, fighting in this battlefield, is a testament to their strength.

[@Sonichero151]

The greatest thing to fear is a man among gods and monsters...... who needs nothing to fight..... AND NOTHING TO WIN

[@totbot1098]

I remember someone in my party had a fighter who manage to make a fighter with an interesting personality where we thought he was a dumb champion who just bonked things but it ended up him and the DM made a deal to have his character pretend to be a champion but was secretly a battle master. We were fighting against a group of elite knights and a high level mage and when it was just him standing he started pulling out all these maneuvers and techniques and rolling really well and wiped the floor with them single handedly like a legend and his characters in lore reason for hiding his talent was because he was worried his new friends (the party) would become scared of him.

[@castbet9183]

That’s actually super cool I may use that for my Barroom Brawler Fighter

[@anomaly_jackie]

being without special powers but being able to easily take on some of the worlds strongest just because you’re skilled will never not be badass

[@aleksiheija8170]

All that power and yet you died to a piece of sharpened metal through your jugular. How does it feel?

[@Veldazandtea]

@@aleksiheija8170 Pretty good to be honest. Can you shift the blade a little to the left and scratch my itch? Aaaahhhh, that's the stuff.

[@raylenn4444]

​@@Veldazandteai cast fist on your face.

[@Nykandros]

Nice cope, but: Power Word Kill

[@anomaly_jackie]

@@Nykandros so are you coping? because no one else here is or has been

[@DillonMeyer]

He even gets to attack more often, he's using his extra actions. True Fighter.

[@MsBastard91]

I love how his skill is demonstrated there. He dodged a rogue by move to strike a caster, he used an impulse from parring barbarian's axe for a swing to his sword and most cool was a parry caster's hand into herself. Skill, reaction and no unnecessary moves!

[@Ashmega]

Pov: your entire party is drastically under leveled for a boss fight

[@pepekovallin]

"fighters are boring" My brother in Christ, you made the character

[@elijahherstal776]

I love how the Fighter uses the greatest of all powers: VIOLENCE

[@theenderdestruction2362]

I WILL ESCALATE THE VIOLENCE

[@rayanderson5797]

EXTREME VIOLENCE

[@headwreak1768]

it's not a choice, IT'S A REQUIREMENT

[@Sonichero151]

​@@headwreak1768"Violence is not a sin Leon, IT'S A NECESSITY"

[@ceryage2796]

Dude graduated from For Honor and parried,dodged all this bullshit,got revenge,kicked their ass,lag deathed in 1 v 3 what a legend

[@Legoman775]

this is what happens when a figher is not only hasted but also uses action surge

[@marokyea99]

The bane of my life as a DM

[@diegoalexanderflorestorres1781]

They are not boring, it's just that the people lack I M A G I N A T I O N

[@castbet9183]

That’s why people should take feats like: Athlete or Tavern Brawler or Mobile. Those feats get creative juices moving. I’m doing some crazy actions as a human battle master in my group

[@bok4822]

Playing Dark souls was what made me fall in love with sword fighting in general. Fighting with swords really feels like doing a deadly dance between you and your enemies. And I love that dance

[@diegoalexanderflorestorres1781]

@@bok4822 wizards are known for their preparation with magic But warriors are known for their skill! Fighting as if it were a dance!!!

[@Veldazandtea]

@@diegoalexanderflorestorres1781 Now combine the two together. Battlemage.

[@antonyduhamel1166]

There are no boring characters. Even bog standard archetypes can be incredibly powerful or refreshing if you use imagination to tweak them a little. Personally, I like a human fighter who is Neutral Evil. Just a straight up mercenary. Drives the Paladin and/or Cleric insane because they're constantly paranoid that I'm going to betray them. And I never do. Why not? Because although I'm evil, I abide by my contract. The gold keeps coming and I'm your guy. Can't be bought if I'm already paid for.

[@PowerHouseProdigy]

As a fighter you may not be the guy casting reality-altering spells, but you just might be the guy to cut down that man with nothing but a piece of sharp metal.

[@freakyskull516]

if you can reach him alive in the first place without getting plane shifted into the 176273rd level of the abyss with your 30ft movement speed...

[@PowerHouseProdigy]

@@freakyskull516 Plane Shift is a Touch range spell. Before it's cast you're getting eight Action-Surged Greatswords into your abdomen.

[@user-ve6uu5ck6g]

​@@PowerHouseProdigy Then wizards does "animals in cage" with forcecage and the can kill it with just cantrips.

[@PowerHouseProdigy]

@@user-ve6uu5ck6g Range of Forcecage is 100ft. Range of a Longbow is 150 regular and 600 long.

[@user-ve6uu5ck6g]

@@PowerHouseProdigy Range of Invisibility is touch)

[@tooru-kun4178]

and the best part is that he not only beat three people but he beat them not using simple brute strength but skill and a complete understanding of his weapon and the weak point of the protagonist team. He's a true fighter

[@changer_of_ways_999]

I think the issue is that the fighter has the least amount of identity tied to the class. It's incredibly open ended so it requires more from the player to give it an identity. You can play any type of warrior from any culture and almost any battlefield role.

[@user-mu8ok5xf8d]

I why it gets the most feats. It wants you to load up on feats and be able to make this monster or take the asi so many times that your stats are crazy next to everyone else’s

[@yawarapuyurak3271]

now that you mention it, it is "easy to learn, hard to master"

[@shadowstrider8295]

The start is literally just "So fighters are 'basic', huh? Well here's an advanced lesson in getting your asses kicked!"

[@darkbeetlebot]

I could not help but imagine this in hank hill's voice.

[@VeryPeeved]

@@darkbeetlebot Hank Hill would 100% play a human fighter.

[@dshvd2410]

Basic? More like BASED

[@TK-7193]

fighters' are basic enemies, because they basicly kick your ass

[@CrizzyEyes]

@@VeryPeeved Hank: "So what character did you roll up, Bobby?" Bobby: "I've got a female half-elf Druid!" Hank: "That boy ain't right sometimes."

[@shan9usfc]

Gotta love precision attack maneuver You just NEVER miss.

[@boyguyjr955]

I love how he's actually swinging it around like a 50 pound chunk of sharpened iron and not a piece of cardboard

[@aallfik11]

Hate to be the "umm ackshually" guy, but zweihanders rarely exceeded 10 pounds in weight. They even went as low as 4

[@boyguyjr955]

@@aallfik11 huh... I didn't know that. Thanks for that nugget of knowledge

[@drantosilver3531]

@@aallfik11 yea but this is not your average real life zweihander tho. This one here is much thicker and wider, pretty much like a ceremonial sword. From the in game model I guess it’s around 30 pounds.

[@ethanbrown2019]

​@drantosilver3531 which is one hefty ass blade

[@drantosilver3531]

​@@ethanbrown2019It sure is. It sent the Nord flying like 10 feet away lol.

[@DomR1997]

You have to be a badass to survive as a fighter in a fantasy world with massive beasts, assassins every three feet, and people who fart fireballs.

[@Kunk_Manjeroon]

I always liked the interpretation that they were unnaturally strong warriors that have good equipment, and the other interpretation that they're just regular dudes that are putting every fiber of effort they have into every action they have.

[@AdeptKing]

Could be that they start out as regular people but as they get stronger it changes.

[@MasterGhostf]

They just get more skilled. Its a regular dude who just got good.

[@zeehero7280]

How about they are just normal dudes who became what seems unnaturally strong warriors through training?

[@chocho6766]

yeah no fancy magic they just gid gud@@MasterGhostf

[@ultrabusterninja9424]

Can someone tell me what game this is?

[@xxyoboigxx]

I always liked the physical fighter classes. They always seemed easy to understand for me, compared to other classes, and they give me that power fantasy of "This is all my strength, without the help of parlor tricks." Like think about my character just walking out of a storm of magic that was used to kill him, just to walk over and kill the opponents just seemed so badass to me lol

[@griffin5322]

The embodiment of: I am the peak of my species physical ability and I'm about to show you why that should terrify you. - Random human with a piece of sharp metal in the middle of a world shattering event.

[@PureCountryof91]

​@@griffin5322humanity is the Pinnacle of "throw everything at me, burn me, poison me. I will destroy you for it, even if I die doing so". See "Attack Of the Deadmen" for an historical analog

[@sixghill1925]

Yeah 100%. It's the guts effect.

[@rdrummer2]

Yeah physical classes are badass. No magic gimmick bullsht. Just straight hands

[@KoOkiEzRoCkz]

0:25 that punch with 1 arm LAUNCHED the Rogue. Mans an absolute unit.

[@taidghusflynnius]

Saying that, the pommel strike just before that would absolutely destroy most people

[@digitaldevil696]

For me, the best part of playing the fighter is this... audacity, I guess? The audacity of the idea of carving your name on this world with your weapon to leave a legacy if you have to. Being among all those individuals with different sources of power, and having the sheer belief that you can do it, that no matter how much the odds are stacked against you, your resilience , your skill and your competence will carry you through and it will be enough, the belief that you are enough. It is a way worth walking and a fantasy worth playing.

[@yawarapuyurak3271]

Nothing screams "badass" as defeating GODS using only a sword.

[@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666]

Self insert, Got it. Nothing wrong with that and don't let any redditor freak tell you otherwise.

[@Nykandros]

Yeah but then you get hit with "Power Word Kill" by a mage who has REAL audacity & is on his quest to usurp the gods themselves. Tragic

[@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666]

@@Nykandros Right? I can see the Busted Dunamancy Wizard or bard going "Shut up, Basic sword incel! Strong Power Word kill!"

[@jasonhenry8067]

@@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666*laughs in D10+4 HD*

[@wenexplosion5538]

Im a fighter... I rolled a nat 2 and still manage to hit stuff. And can attack 3 times a turn. And if im feeling frisky i attack six times and lets not talk about my maneuvers because I don't want to take all the glory in a fight.

[@benjaminholcomb9478]

Wizard: *casts meteor swarm* what fight?

[@benjaminholcomb9478]

But yeah, ngl, I do love playing a fighting guy.

[@braveherogreenleaf6256]

I play monk/fighter - Samurai spirit and flurry is pretty sick

[@supremecaffeine2633]

​@benjaminholcomb9478 Funnily enough, a high-level fighter with 16 con and average hp would survive a meteor swarm that dealt average damage.

[@Celticassassin23]

@@supremecaffeine2633 Hi im here with the math, meteror swarm does 40d6 damage 20/20 on bludgeoning and fire which is an average of 140 damage (40x3.5). A fighter with 16 con at level 17(min level a wizard can cast meteor swarm) has 157hp (13+((6+3)x16)) which means they will barely survive with 17 hp.

[@stevenroyer9380]

More games need a villain that’s just male human fighter, it’s incredibly intimidating when done right like this. (That guy is the main antagonist of this expansion btw lmao)

[@aleksiheija8170]

Technically he is a half elf but I get your point.

[@eldesconocidosenork5981]

He's the hero on my book (idk TOS's lore)

[@lilblock3564]

​@@aleksiheija8170How are bretons half elves?

[@aleksiheija8170]

@@lilblock3564 Technically yes. They are more human but they have a mixture of human and elven blood

[@lilblock3564]

@@aleksiheija8170 But does that make them Half Elves or does that just give them elven ancestry?

[@C0XKR04CH]

Casters will see you slay a mighty dragon with your greataxe and say "He lacks the magical prowess to cast a spell"

[@fido5642]

I swear a game could have the most biggest number of different races and classes but i'm going to straith up choose the most plane, generic, european, king arthur looking human knight character and go kick some ass

[@hollowknightwithagun4554]

Same here dude same here

[@LordVader1094]

Respect to my brothers of vanilla supreme

[@_Irrelevant]

Knights are the coolest option. No exceptions.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

Longbowman Reporting for duty, Sir!

[@Asian_Jesus.]

Nah, in a world full of mystic and calamitous danger, my character would be a poor serf-turned-levy. Moulnourished with ragged clothes and equipped with a moldy stick with a rustic steel barb at the end. Truly a legendary hero destined to defeat dragons.

[@gryphonbotha1880]

I usually play spellcasters, but my favourite combat moment in D&D was as a fighter. I charged an enemy mage with my polearm. They cast Shield to deflect the strike. I drop the polearm and shove them prone. Action Surge, grapple, pull them towards my allies, draw my sword and then stab with advantage. It was amazing. You can have all the mystical power in the world, but at the end of the day your body is still a sack of meat.

[@fredfry5100]

You know, I think that's one of the problems with the warrior vs mage issue in modern fiction. Any mage that achieves relevance has acquired the super durability + healing factor package that makes them basically low level super heroes, and they get to learn martial arts on top of that. They have to much going for them.

[@Peter_Turbo4]

@@fredfry5100 *I* *CAST* *FIST* x9001

[@fredfry5100]

@@Peter_Turbo4 🤨

[@Peter_Turbo4]

@@fredfry5100 You quite clearly have never experienced *STANDING HERE!* *I REALISE!*

[@Nykandros]

"You can have all the mystical power in the world!" *Brags about defeating a wizard using level 1 spells* lol fighter cope is best cope

[@k_balu-8104]

"I don't need magic to beat you, only sheer skill and enough MOTIVATION" (God, i can already hear Vergil's voice in my head)

[@kosmosthetruthteller6420]

Wizard: bro stabilize me! The situation I’m in right now:

[@crunchybotrightnow4472]

He's not basic, he's BASED.

[@maycontainnuts3127]

i love playing human fighter the most. its like being in a world of magic, pacts with demonic entities or gods, strange spiritual abilities born from a connection with nature and deciding "fuck that im going to be a guy with a pointy stick." the other party members may laugh at you, but when something needs stabbing with a pointy stick, theyre all gonna wish someone was there to do it

[@shmeebs387]

Exactly. In a party with a sorcerer with magic ancestry, a cleric being granted power from his god, and a warlock borrowing eldritch power from a demon, the guy with nothing but a sword is the most badass. And all those other 3 are going to be standing behind him when push comes to shove.

[@CrizzyEyes]

It's the classic isekai fantasy, and I roll my eyes when any of the game designers (Larian Studios was most recently guilty of this) are surprised that roughly 50% of players pick Human Fighter. Look how popular isekai anime is. Every time the main character is just some normal person, sometimes granted a special ability. Having a normal person to relate to helps a player experience all the strange shit in the world. When the shit stops being strange, then eventually interest moves into making other types of characters.

[@castbet9183]

Totally my party is very caster heavy we have a: Bard, Cleric, Sorcerer, Wizard & our Rouge who’s well a rouge. Then there’s me the Human Fighter who’s been throwing down with orcs, wizards & everything between with my sword & barehands

[@C0XKR04CH]

​@@Maddoxoxoxbro pulled up to a video about human fighters and got upset people are talking about human fighters 💀

[@jeromeace1282]

I mean, its not like the fighter is the only option Paladins and barbarians are right there lol, and that's just for melee

[@oilybat3269]

“NOOOOOO THE CLASSES AND RACES ARE SO DIVERSE BE CREATIVE!!!!!!!!1!1!1!1” “Human fighter, knight subclass.”

[@lockout6896]

This is honestly the perf3ct example of what a fighter is to me.he is. Not rage and brute strength like a barbarian.still very strong but they are pure skill and martial prowess and tactician

[@christianlevy1439]

The swordplay in this one trailer is better than any other I have seen.

[@kraftik5300]

only thing that can top this is tralier for Lords of the fallen, where kinght fights with his zweihandler.

[@pedrovieira8363]

Pov: You're Ashen one, and you finally got tired of dying to that unfair group of npc who just team up into you at the grand archive.

[@Lenro_Zhi]

Claymore and zweihander bros unite!

[@thatd00doverthere19]

This is an oddly specific comment that I can also relate to a lot

[@gaszwyn449]

@@Lenro_ZhiDs3’s zwei 1h r2 trivializes every npc encounter lmao they can’t even get close

[@asteropax6469]

That pretty much describes my 1st time completing the grand archive! I decided to try out some different equipment in there instead of progressing for a while and encountered those 3. Got creamed. Switched to my trusty Claymore and destroyed them in 1 attempt.

[@Christopher-eq1rn]

Fuck the grand archive

[@andrew2044]

They say it's basic but sometimes it's fun to roleplay a character without a deep backstory or extravagant build Fighters just get the job done and that's why I love them

[@multidimensionalcenturion9863]

In a world of magic, being able to get so angry things hurt less and literal gods a man picks up a sword and goes "Yeah I'll have a go at it." You can't say that isn't atleast a little badass.

[@concernedthanos6725]

The thing that makes a fighter go from boring to this is what makes the difference between a villain and a super villain Presentation

[@furyassassin]

Megamind would be proud.

[@Veldazandtea]

I'd say immersion. The fighter counters in a way that makes sense. You do realize countless movies and games show fighters in bad presentation, right? Game companies fool players with presentation for many reasons. So your argument is flawed there. Immersion though? That's what it's about. To have things "make sense". A game that pulls fighters off well if "For Honor". The pacing. The ideals. The motivation.

[@furyassassin]

@@Veldazandtea I just heard the loudest and most obviously audible whoosh in all of history right here. Someone has clearly never seen Megamind.

[@defalttheloner]

​@@Veldazandteawhile i agree with what you said, I'm obligated to whoosh you for that mate. 😂

[@bandi642]

i think rolling how your fighter flourishes and does sick stuff, instead ofsaying i strike, just gives immersion that makes it amazing

[@GrievousKhan]

A blade singer, a barbarian, and a rogue meet a lvl 20 fighter...

[@user-li5cr6wv5b]

Lvl 20 fighter is godlike. This guy is just very good, which makes him lvl 15.

[@echothegecko2875]

The appeal to a human fighter to me is the same as guardsmen in warhammer. It could literally be anyone alive right now. Magic isn't real, but with enough practice and dedication, anyone can be a human fighter. It helps ground the setting and makes it all the more special when some regular dude with a sword is kicking ass in a setting where people can summon pillars of fire from nothing... though I usually go with spears.

[@mvmsma]

The maybe you should fuck off of fantasy games and go play something more realistic like Chivalry or For Honor

[@alyantza]

I love how the second crossguard comes into play catching the elf's sword right before she resorted to magic. That part of a sword is called a "parierhaken" and has been added to provide more protection for the user, especially to parry strikes that would hit further up your arm, like the shoulder area.

[@johnathonharker266]

"Why play a Fighter?" "You know how good a Wizard is with magic and how good a Rogue is at Infiltration? That's how good the Fighter is with every weapon in the world."

[@michaelkeha]

And yet a Bard can still out duel him, a barbarian is tougher, a paladin has the same mastery of arms but also can smite

[@zeehero7280]

@@michaelkeha the bard can only out guitar solo duel him. A fighter doesn't do sword "Duels" he simply kicks the ass.

[@C0XKR04CH]

​​@@michaelkehabro what are you smoking, bard beating fighter in melee gtfo out of here - paladin does NOT have the same mastery of arms, let's see you play an archery paladin bozo

[@jeromeace1282]

Meh, the game's bias towards magic shows up even then. Druids are the best infiltrators by virtue of being able to turn into tiny animals, and the spell casting rogue is he best thief of the bunch. Also, I don't know how the paladins doesn't kick more ass than the fighter, in melee anyways, they're also the true "martial anti mage" compared to fighters

[@thomasvlie1]

multiclass as eldritch knight , now the fun begins , full AC stacking with booming blades proccing everyone and there mother , god its glorious

[@izmochazi]

I literally did this in my first D&D boss fight. I carried my step mother and my brother through the encounter and it felt AMAZING.

[@z3rozx]

Lvl 20 fighter sees a spell. Casts counter spell. Back hands puny caster.

[@Robert_Paprika]

The thing with fighter is their ability to use heavy equipement like they were light stuff. There's nothing scarier than a fighter rushing your backline

[@itsy-bitsyspider4172]

I'M A PIONEER, I"M AN EXPLORER. I'M A HUMAN, AND I'M COMING. I'M ANIMATED, I'M ALIVE, MY HEART'S BIG, IT'S GOT HOT BLOOD GOING THROUGH IT FAST. I LIKE TO FIGHT TOO. I LIKE TO EAT, I LIKE TO HAVE CHILDREN. I'M HERE! I'VE GOT THE LIFE FORCE THIS IS A HUMAN, THIS IS WHAT WE LOOK LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE ACT LIKE, THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY WAS BEFORE US. THIS IS WHAT I AM, I'M A THROWBACK, I'M HERE. I GOT THE FIRE OF HUMAN LIBERTY, I'M SETTING FIRES EVERYWHERE! AND HUMANS ARE TURNING ON EVERYWHERE!

[@dannyb2239]

Alex Jones is a genius.

[@davidkoudelka10]

Who else saw this on one of the edit videos with his face over a WH40K character?😂 (The grey knight one specifically?)

[@MaximilianonMars]

"YOU'LL NEVER DEFEAT THE HUMAN SPIRIT!! YOU'LL NEVER DEFEAT GOD!!! YOU'LL NEVER WIN!!"

[@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus]

They need a Alex Jones edit for this now

[@ion_force]

I read this in the voice of Alex Jones.

[@ashleywalker6931]

This is kind of amusing cause everything here, even parrying the spell and reflecting it back at the caster, is something you can do in Pathfinder 2e

[@MayHugger]

Damn bro, that’s crazy.

[@ryder98307]

Parrying the spell could be interpreted as making the save

[@CrizzyEyes]

@@ryder98307 They mean there is literally an ability that lets you reflect a spell back at the caster for Fighters

[@behemoth9543]

Smashing the mages spell into her own face like that just looks incredibly good.

[@theodenmannix4362]

I love this "realistic" fighting so much more over fancy fantasy jumps and whatnot. Beating someone with less grace and more with your fists is so satisfying to watch.

[@williammiller4768]

Armored Fighter: “The fists go where I put them. And nowhere else.” Seriously, this dude has total awareness of his surroundings. Every action slides into another. No wasted moves. No extra steps. Even the swords weight factors into his style. Absolute Respect.

[@wumbosaurus9121]

He’s like Optimus Prime in the sense that he gets into the rhythm of the battle, each movement leads into the next, always anticipating what the coming attack is and countering accordingly.

[@user-oi5eo6mv9i]

That's how you must fight with Two-Handed Sword. Thing's weight is massive compared to other weapons and it's hard to swing it constantly. That's why you and your sword have to be in constant motion and make use of your inertia. If you stop you're becoming a lot more vulnerable

[@isaacflett1321]

⁠@@user-oi5eo6mv9iThat’s true but it’s easy to overstate the weight of even a large sword, it’s only gonna be around 5kg which isn’t too hard to move with two hands. Still useful to use and be aware of your momentum but you can also shift direction quickly.

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

Well, actually he was flailing around really bad and has a bit too much of telegraphing in his motion... It's just a) they did it way worse and b) they didn't coordinate in the slightest. Although still looks cool, it looks way better than might have been

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

​@@isaacflett1321most of 2h swords are around 2 kilos, 5 is the top edge of the list.

[@bonzwah1]

0:23 this has always been my favorite combo from this cinematic.

[@kidvex5741]

Even back then " the good ol' 1 , 2 " Was a thing

[@levantdiggerus3473]

"You ain't gonna die from this, but god, are you gonna wish you had, boy."

[@anyderrosek9272]

"Hey DM, I've been playing For Honor and I wanna play as a Fighter" " (Sighs) ill get my directional attack homebrew rules ready "

[@mroffice8166]

(One of my first DnD Parties DnD party): Tiefling Warlock: Some people got the real problems Dragonborn Rouge: Some people out of luck Halfling Bard: Some people think I can solve them Crab Wizard: Lord heavens above Human Champion Fighter: I'm only human after all, I'm only human after all, Don't put the blame on me

[@snakehorde]

ok, so fighter can not be basic IN COMBAT as long as the player playing it can describe his actions in exact details to have such fights with tactics and manoeuvers like those shown in this video. like a fighter that listens to exactly how the fight is going and is able to respond to everything the DM throws at him. the difference is between : I strike with my sword and I take my sword in Mordhau and strike with the guard while doing a step back to retreat from his threat range and recreate a neutral situation.

[@Kronosfobi]

The second you say that someone is bound to ruin it with ;"uhm, You took illegal action, wait for the next turn"

[@Awuga]

The difference is "does your DM just say Hit or Miss during a combat round or does your DM describe how an attack hits you, or how you deflect the attack, or the actions an anemy takes to avoid your attack, or the impact your attack makes on the enemy" If the only thing your DM says is "two hits and a miss, that your turn?" After rolling 3 attacks then ofc fighter will be boring.

[@CrestOfArtorias]

@@Awuga Even if you go basic action order, you can still do what is in this video. DM: they attack you, the Barbarian misses but the rogue hit. Fighter: I use my reaction to use parry to reduce the damage I take. Rolls D8 + DR from Heavy Armor Master > way lower damage than before. OR Fighter: I use my reaction to riposte the Barbarian. Next turn. Fighter: I attack the Rogue. DM: You hit, its a crit. Fighter: I use sweeping strike to hit both the Rogue and the Barbarian. Its all about knowing your options.

[@better8655]

​@CrestOfArtorias he stopped a spell, and broke a weapon. Neither of those have normal rules.

[@CrestOfArtorias]

@@better8655 Grab the casters free hand. Its not an explicit combat option, but nothing prevents you from attempting or doing so. You may also attempt to attack the weapon, just like you would attempt to target a door or chest. Dealing damage and destroying it eventually.

[@RogueFox2185]

“It is a 1v3 and I’m STILL soloing!” -The Default Human Fighter

[@skell6134]

It would be more of Half elf here tho cause Breton

[@CrizzyEyes]

"hang on I'm still looting" - the rogue "hang on I'm still boning" - the bard "I got stuck in a trap" - the cleric "Fine. I'll do it myself."

[@battlecorgi8695]

Fighter is a great class for beginner and veteran players. Easy to learn but tons of fun because of easy resource management and the fact you’re unstoppable. Oh, what’s that? You want magic? Eldritch Knight. Definitely my favorite class all around because everything you do feels badass and it’s almost never not useful to have a fighter

[@user-xu5tf6hb6q]

🤡

[@user-mu8ok5xf8d]

Rune fighter is also nuts and still has that magic feel. My dwarf rune knight straight up makes it ridicules to defeat my party if they don’t focus me first.

[@SERPENTONORTHAM1992]

One day, I will be able to play a fighter in a campaign. All Fighter classes have so much flavor and together with many Feats and ASIs can make incredible characters at the hands of people who have the imagination.

[@user-mu8ok5xf8d]

@@SERPENTONORTHAM1992 one that I want to play to high levels is Cavalier just because one of their main subclass features is a better version of sentinel and pole-arm master combined witch means you can take more feats and still have the best feat combo in the game

[@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666]

Gunslinger Fighter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything

[@imeleventeen]

I think one reason we love this build in a fantasy world is because with all these super natural powers, it feels more like an underdog story, and who you rooting for to clap cheeks? Your home team the humans. A human standing up to all these fucking things with just metal and will power just gets me fucking hyped

[@theseer6196]

*tries to cast spell. he grabs your hand, looks you in the eyes, and whispers* "No, u"

[@alanolex3962]

As a wizard, always remember to keep a fighter friend handy.

[@aleksiheija8170]

For those moments when s#it becomes personal and decide "F*ck that guy in particular" you unleash the fighter.

[@castbet9183]

Yeah I was in a Tournament & last remaining competitor was a Wizard & I made a Bee-Line for the Wizard. The Wizard gave me an attack of opportunity and I obliterated him

[@gaAssault34]

Can confirm as someone who played the shit out of the various fighters in 4e and 5e WE ARE THE BACK UP PLAN.

[@scarletjester7831]

Some of my favorite times in D&D were as a Fighter. They may not cast spells(subclasses that are casters aside) or have the ability to talk their way out of a problem, but they'll definitely make heads roll when one comes

[@felixgutierrez993]

That Knight in the end went: That helmet isn't HISTORICALLY ACCURATE *SLAMS

[@commander_jat0580]

I love this guy cause he reminds me a lot of the clone troopers with the fin and the visor.

[@DadeHudson93]

He's not just your typical "fighter" tho, thats a Breton Knight, how many fighters you know have the ability to dispel or negate magic lol

[@Themanwiththeplan1899]

That’s the ascendant lord

[@freakyskull516]

i think he just slapped her hand down making her hit herself with the spell my dude...

[@Kn33Capper]

​@@freakyskull516 Well in TES Bretons do have the ability to negate and absorb magic, so you can see the confusion

[@tyrone3371]

Eldritch knights no?

[@VultureXV]

Maybe fighters should know antimagic techniques. I mean... Somatic components are a thing. A mage cannot cast fireball if his hands are broken, etc.

[@gato23]

"Whats a warrior without weapons?" "a Warrior still ! ! ! " - Beast Wars

[@endlessnoodle3056]

In a world full of exotic gimmicky races and all sorts of fancy classes, no one is as special as just a human who needs only a sharp stick to be stronger than all of them

[@valkenx6758]

I just like the fact that the animators knew what they were doing with this fight scene

[@TreilahTheDegenerate]

That’s usually how animators work, yes

[@mateodemicheli2420]

I will homebrew a new kind of passive for characters with specific weapons or common ones but with a 20+ Strength that is going to be called "Epic Strength." I would be that once round with one common attack that you hit, you make the creature (of Large or a smaller) to make a Strength/Con save, the creature is pushed 5fts, if it fail the save they fall prone, if not it doesn't happen anything besides of the push. PD: The song is Rammstein Ich Will

[@Kira110lol]

Why homebrew it? That already exists... It's the Crusher feat, the Shield Master feat, Battlemaster class feature... ?

[@jaceg810]

Congratulations, you discovered the shove action, handing it out to martials once a turn for free is a neat idea though

[@Kronosfobi]

Thank you for the song

[@DandDgamer]

Basically push+topple masteries in one. Looks good to me

[@oddfreaks6452]

In a world of magic, monsters, and abnormal feats of inhuman and etc…what is one person with a weapon and determination to do? Outclass them all the best way you know how. -a Human Gunslinger (Samurai Fighter sniper build)

[@thegreatlemmon7487]

basically human fighter at level 3 compared to every other class at level 3

[@stanleyholmes1266]

Did he just karate chop that ax handle like nuthin?

[@marokyea99]

Yes. Yes he did.

[@SilvanianPirateKing]

Reminds me of how my halfling battlemaster started a fight with the secondary dragon slaying party at the finale of Icespire. "We were here first to kill the dragon. You're just going to have to give up." A grizzled 3 foot something man wielding a longsword twice his length steps out and says "Oh yeah? Well I don't see you with a dragon killing sword."

[@Gabriel_TR]

I always loved human fighters because other players play exotic races to make their character more unique and, while at first sight i'm just the plain boring guy, In the background you better believe that guy has 10+ pages of backstory and a Shakespeare level character depth

[@jessewillason2064]

Yeah because you don't have to spend as much time on the character itself because it is a little basic you can afford to spend more time on the backstory and make really compelling good characters I play fighter almost exclusively sometimes I dabble in a little cleric

[@RandomInternetStranger]

One of my favorite characters was a Human Fighter based on Goblin Slayer, from an anime with the same name. The low Charisma was really fun to RP, ironically. Having a character that constantly discards weapons and such is a fascinating concept.

[@jocosesonata]

The best part is that most of the sword strikes would probably just bounce off his armour. The axe _might_ still deal some damage though.

[@kraftik5300]

you need blunt weapon to acctually wound someone in plate armor.

[@mcarrowtime7095]

@@kraftik5300 nah, pikes were go-to anti-armor, and a big axe could do some real damage. basically, anything long or heavy enough

[@Zax-dq5sr]

@@mcarrowtime7095 basically blunt and pierce more effective against armor than slashing, but a long pikes need some distant to be able to pierce effectively

[@mcarrowtime7095]

@@Zax-dq5sr large swords (like Zwei handers) were also used to beat armor in some cases, mostly because they were large and heavy enough to do damage.

[@Zax-dq5sr]

@@mcarrowtime7095 large swords are mostly combination of blunt and slashing

[@sherzadhashemi5561]

Man really said, fuck your magic and then proceeded to beat up the barbarian o.O😂

[@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285]

I'm always amazed when people infer that the fighter is a "boring class" when you can look back through history at the soldiery and warriors from around the world and build characters that emulate them; Egyptian charioteers, polish winged hussars, Aztec jaguar warriors, Roman Centurions, Welsh Longbowman, Swedish Vikings, Indian Rajput... All of them can be created using a thimble of effort and imagination without having to delve into a bazilion sourcebooks.

[@gloomboy1639]

The sorcerer, warlock, and wizard have Counter Spell. Fighter has backhand.

[@braveherogreenleaf6256]

*ICH WILL!* -THAT REVERSE GRIP CROSSGUARD PARRY WHEN THE LADY CAST THAT SPELL THO-

[@frogthetoad6773]

I'm pretty sure he's supposed to be something like a eldritch knight given that he is a bretton.

[@shadiafifi54]

So let's see: probably Battlemaster, has Mage Slayer Feat (countering the Elf's spell), Great Weapon Master Feat, Unarmed Fighting Style, and _maybe_ Great Weapon Fighting Style? How high is this guy's level? Seriously gotta love all the extra ASIs a fighter gets.

[@erickchristensen746]

As badass as the “Fighter” was, truly. The Barbarian, Rogue, and Sorcerer did put up a great fight as a team.

[@TheLaluciDaniel]

As a team! key word there, and it still was a boss fight for them

[@EffortLevelZeroProductions]

But remember, as a team. Bro still almost won that against a team of 3. Still lived after losing