DnD Player Sets DM's House On FIRE! | r/rpghorrorstories

[@pkmncourier2409]

The "I cast Shape Water" bit from the first story gives "and everybody clapped" vibes.

[@willropa4226]

Not to mention how that lady apparently was able to pull out a lighter, light a piece of paper, and throw it at the mini, meanwhile the rest of the party were doing nothing. Something's not adding up.

[@yaldabaoth2]

Story 1: Why did no one stop this person while she was taking out the paper, the lighter, using it and then throw it? Are they taking turns in real life, too? I call absolute BS on that.

[@soldierbreed]

Thats how i feel. There was a lot if set up for no one to stop her.

[@hatihrodvitnisson]

That detail really calls the veracity of that story into question. I feel like this one was exaggerated or made up.

[@ThePlayplay64]

@@hatihrodvitnisson I'm in the same boat. Once a fire is going it is very hard to put out. Even with a fire extinguisher it's hard to put them out let alone some... soda.. It must have been a very small fire that did not have alot of things to jump too. But how it was described in the story it kinda sounds table size. I think this was.. a bit exaggerated

[@GarkKahn]

Also by the way it's described it took a few seconds between starting the process and finally having some fire, in that time no one ask or try to prevent that from happening?

[@tinycrimester]

re: kick the fire girl or nah... why didn't anyone stop her when she took out a lighter? everyone in the room at that point made the same mistake as her and thought throwing burning objects around while surrounded by papiermache sets was somehow not a terrible idea.

[@beardiemom]

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. Why did they let her go through with it? Fire girl didn't think this through, but everybody else also messed up by not asking her what she was planning to do when she put the mini on a plate and telling her "Oh hell no" right then and there. She should definitely have to pay for the damages, but if she does and DM is fine with letting her come back, she could get a second chance. Though no more practical spell effects.

[@simonlee2769]

It's hard to tell how quick she was just by reading

[@ArcCaravan]

@@simonlee2769 I don't see how she could set up the plate and miniature (to avoid the mistake with the spray can) without anyone noticing.

[@jasonrustmann7535]

I can't believe there was any other "effects" after the spray paint. How old are these goobers anyway? Lol

[@GarkKahn]

Most people in these stories are basically npcs, unless the plot requires them to help or attack op, they just stay quiet without doing anything

[@King.kai.24]

That’s true rp right there, wizard gets overly excited about their new fireball spell and accidentally burns a house down

[@sailorsloth8183]

“No Turns” story: That’s not intelligent enemies being strategic, that’s a GM who doesn’t know how to balance encounters and is punishing the player instead of improving their skills. Yes, enemies who understand magic will know to target the guy in the back lobbing high-powered spells, but they’ll also know it’s foolish to send their entire force after one dude while other combatants are hacking and slashing at them. And why would they stand around waiting for the caster to be healed, instead of making sure he’s dead and then moving on to the rest of combat? “Unlucky” my foot. The way the GM constantly targets the player’s character, but then encourages them to continue playing the character, really gives me vibes of the story of the Paladin who was stripped of his powers for multiple levels with the excuse of “It’s for story! You’re being ungrateful!”

[@AtelierGod]

There’s an easy way to tell if the GM is targeting him. Make a new character but make it another full caster, but choose the race mountain dwarf, this gives you proficiency in medium armor. Therefore wear armor and suddenly you aren’t an obvious caster and of he still targets him it’s done for meta gaming reasons and there’s clear proof. It’ll also show his friend groups true colors, whether they are friends or just saying they are friends.

[@Jonboy2312]

That first story raises all the red flags for made up BS for Reddit karma... Or an AI-generated one, for the same purpose... There's just no way that was allowed to happen, with all the people around.

[@AtelierGod]

The girl that set the set on fire, should be charged to the fullest extent of the law! Playing with fire is the first thing we as humans are taught not to do!

[@RQS321]

The first story is insane that they actually put out the fire, after it spread to so much other things in the house. That could have easily been far worse than it was. Those were some very brave players.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@RQS321 If only they stopped the fire from happening in the first place.

[@cmhsky]

At least 2 people didn't SUCK in a crisis

[@GarkKahn]

Still raises the question What were they doing at the moment instead of preventing the fire to start?

[@LindsayHawkes]

For the First Story with the fireball girl. I'm surprised that the Dm or any of the other players didn't try to stop her when fireball girl went to grab the mini and place it on the plate, especially after the irl color spray incident with a spray can of paint on the game mats.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@LindsayHawkes Yeah, that does sound foolish of the group. I already had concerns with DM making large flammable displays for "immersion".

[@LokiScarletWasHere]

"I didn't ask how big the table is, I said I cast FIREBALL!" -wiza-- Wait... Sorcerer? Got damn.

[@jaredthehawk3870]

Basically Nixie IRL

[@marybdrake1472]

They are very lucky in that first story. That could have ended so badly for everyone.

[@DaMuss-e2w]

people often under estimate the speed and danger of fire.

[@marybdrake1472]

@@DaMuss-e2w Very often.

[@davidtherwhanger6795]

That Don't Work Story. This is what bothers me a lot. DM's thinking they have to nerf the Players to make the game challenging. You do not have to nerf your Players. Instead start letting your intelligent creatures use their intelligence. Goblins and Kobolds should be easy enough when they are not in there own turf, but should be absolutely deadly on their home turf. Remember the Players may not know the layout of a "Dungeon", but the creatures living there certainly do. They will have guard posts that restrict movement further in, traps to separate the invaders into smaller groups or even the odds, ambush points where invaders can be surprised from a different direction. Kobolds are expert diggers and tunnellers. Even if the Players have a map of the place, Kobolds will have built tunnels and pathways the Players will (mostly) be too big to use, but allow the Kobolds to move around the area more freely. Goblins will use their Nimble Escape and knowledge of the layout to make use of hit and run tactics to wear down the Party over time. Only standing and fighting after they have worn down the Party. Orcs are fairly straight forward and aggressive. But even they will call out warnings and get reinforcements. Having an Orc in a guard post first blow loudly on a horn or ring a gong to call out the alarm means even if you beat this (or these) Orc(s), there are more now coming. Even creatures not considered intelligent might be cunning. Giant spiders have been known to place webs on ceilings where they can be cut to swing down onto creatures below acting as a net to ensnare their prey. Or set up in pit traps where creatures that fall in would be caught in the webs and helpless. Or a pack of wolves that split up so one group will distract the Party by making like they are attacking to get the Party to deploy that way, while the rest of the pack slips behind the Party to attack the more squishy Players. In short, never nerf your Players. Instead let your 'monsters' use their Wisdom and Intelligence scores for a change.

[@AvatAR42420]

It is not bad occasionally having combats where one or more players will be at a disadvantage, but building a narrow, homebrew system, and then saying 90% of the abilities the players have just don't work isn't difficult, it is douchey. Also creatures that give out negative levels thankfully died off several versions ago for good reason. It is a feel bad mechanic. Nobody likes having hard earned progress stripped because they fail one saving throw and it sets up a death spiral where the party is getting weaker despite the fact that they are beating the bad guys...until they can't.

[@skunk9883]

Story 2 is a fine example of why session zeros are important

[@ArcCaravan]

@@skunk9883 Looked more like trolls than communication issues.

[@Slade935]

And a waffley dm. Don't get me wrong, the players are in the wrong, just the dm had no control either.

[@rootobia]

I think it would've been a harmless gimmick had she was just more concious of what she was doing. Color Spray would've easily been done with a color changing bulb, and the fireball could've been done with flash paper well above the map without any harm. I think it's actually a really creative idea but honestly even without burning the whole map, throwing fire at a mini is still a bit disrespectful after being told not to damage the map, that should extend to everything else automatically. What if the DM wanted to reuse the mini? Or just wanted to keep it and didn't want it damaged.

[@moonchock4390]

Please dont do this. Thats just the same thing with a less percent chance of this happening. You dont want to take any chances that your house burns down for some quirky gimick no one else ever needed

[@RagnarokAvatar]

Story 1: It's up to the DM what they want from them Story 2: If I were the DM, I'd reboot the campaign with my wife Story 3: After that crappy reason, I'd have the group agree to retcon the DM's actions whether the DM likes it or not Story 4: Just quit, no D&D is better then bad D&D after all.

[@vampire9545]

You mean no friends is better than bad dnd

[@ArcCaravan]

@@vampire9545 Friends that demand suffering their bad DnD are not friends.

[@StateBlaze1989]

Also, I haven't seen a squishy caster pull aggro like that since Panic Grimtongue of The Unexpectables. But even that bard could take more than one hit.

[@Allantitan]

Aye didn’t expect to see another unexpectables fan here

[@JKevinCarrier]

"Real Fireball" -- Assuming this is all true (as others have said, parts of it sound a little sus), no I would not let this person back in the game. She may be genuinely contrite, but anyone who has so little common sense or impulse control is inevitably going to cause more problems down the road. Honestly, I have to wonder if she doesn't have some kind of mental illness or cognitive issue. "Crappy Player" -- Ugh, my biggest D&D pet peeve. I will never understand why some players will go to the trouble of showing up to a game, rolling up characters, etc. only to turn around and do their level best to ruin the experience and "break" the game. No, you don't owe them any explanation, they know exactly what they're doing and asking them to stop will just make them troll you harder. When you encounter these pond scum, remove yourself from their presence ASAP and find people who actually want to play the game. "That Don't Work" and "No Turns" -- Both symptoms of the same problem, a DM who doesn't know how to balance the game. If you can't challenge your players without randomly turning off their abilities, or dog-piling on the one spellcaster, then you need to go back to the drawing board.

[@DaMuss-e2w]

I mean one of the first things I remember learning as a child was respecting fire, and getting my bottom paddled for being careless with my crayons and felt pens. As an adult she feels comfortable with using a can of spray paint and throwing burning paper inside someone elses house? Where is the maturity and respect?

[@kurisu7885]

Honestly, I would invite the spell effects person back, and would allow her to continue on with the spell effects, with heavy restrictions, namely NO flammable materials and NOTHING that can cause permanent damage, so no paint or corosive stuff. In fact I'd say maybe encourage other methods, maybe stuff like LEDs or little sounds if they're inclined to try that, could even get the DM in on it if they like to try new play set effects. Make it into a project.

[@reptilexeno2638]

didn't even need to read the title to guess what one of the stories was gonna involve. I recognized the character in the thumbnail and immediately could tell fire was involved.

[@jbktpl1245]

Whose the character?

[@reptilexeno2638]

​@@jbktpl1245 Agata from hi3rd. Technically she only appears in the second eruption manga.

[@starbird3939]

Story 1 I would be furious. She was reckless and ignorant, and she knew from before not to make irl spells. I don’t think I could trust her again in my house.

[@CaseyWilkesmusic]

What about the rest of group watching all this happen and not saying anything? The minute a lighter comes out I’d be going “nahhhhh.” But the whole group let it go on. I’d keep the group together if everyone is still having fun/getting along. Just put some serious thought into what all happens at games. Are people drinking too much? Etc.

[@ArcCaravan]

The DMs setup was an accident waiting to happen and nobody intervened until after the fire started.

[@pulsefel9210]

a skill tree system for magics makes sense for classes that learn magic over time, but classes that get their spells from heritage or worship it falls short. honestly just making the classes where it can make sense use it would have been fine.

[@CreatureFeatured]

If story 1 is real, which I doubt, imo they should absolutely NOT allow that girl to return to the game. We're taught not to play with fire as small children, and her thoughtlessness of lighting a fire around PAPER props- which was also her breaking a table rule that had been set prior- could have cost the DM's house and/or resulted in serious injury, and they were just lucky that it didn't end in the worst case scenario. She should take her reckless idiocy and disregard of rules elsewhere.

[@atiredfloridian777]

I call BS on the first story, like how did nobody notice the girl had a lighter and stop her when she brought it out? Also, the player grabbing a soda bottle, having the clarity of mind to crack a joke and putting out what had to be a decent sized fire? Yeah, no way it happened.

[@terencebc]

What do you MEAN considering keeping her? She should be in jail.

[@dragonsontv4412]

Many years ago while I was young, I was going to cook something for my mother and I, there were some napkins too close to the stove top. She called me, I went and came back to find the napkins ablaze. I went to the sink, grabbed a cup and filled it with water and splashed it on the napkins. Fire defeated.

[@TheDoomsdayzoner]

Me, who has a busy life and whos DM has busy life: - "But whyyyy? Why would you do that, why would you do any of that?!! If he stops living by a fire, there will be no DnD!"

[@bradywomack9751]

Ok. The dingbat doing actual effects for spells and catching house on fire should be sued with charges filed though I’m not sure how much you can get out of a 14 year old. The character wanting to smear poop on the wall would spend as many game sessions with the party in the cell till they quit “you smell the strong odor of shit”. The reinvented wheel is have to be there to see. No combat in 5 months! Tell the DM you are not dressed as a magic user and if you’re a tortal you should be made into soup.

[@Darkloid21]

I’m doubtful of story 1. You’re telling me no one at the table stopped someone from taking a lighter and lighting a ball of paper on fire?

[@Lothmar22]

Last story: sounds like someone needs to magic jar into a tankier body while a party member (or their new body) carries their primary body in an adamantine chest with an air generating magic item.

[@namelesswanderer9315]

These players, by that point, do not deserve a "come to jesus" talk, they deserve "rocks fall and you're all dead" which is what they got.

[@BBMorti]

Ah, a fire mage

[@StateBlaze1989]

Last story: Yeah... Naw, this isn't "bad luck" as the party put it; the DM is blatantly targeting OP's character. The dude has gone almost half a year without being able to take a single turn in combat, has enemies magically spawn around or even above him to instantly down his character, has said enemies even wait around for OP to be healed jist so they can attack and down him again, and DM's response of "the enemies know you're a caster and know to prioritize such" smells like a barn's worth of bullshit. I get they're your friend group, but good lord, I would probably leave the table whenever combat started just so I could actually go participate im something for once.

[@MWH12085]

I guess it could depend on the relationship. If she was genuinely sorry and paid for any damages, then no ban.

[@vigo0santiago]

Do you want someone who doesn't have enough commonsense not to light flammable items INSIDE your house hanging around?

[@ArcCaravan]

@@vigo0santiago Considering nobody stopped her when it happened and it's possible she learned her lesson, another chance isn't completely unreasonable. Also didn't help DM covered their area in flammable objects.

[@theofficerfactory2625]

Story 1: This has to be fake. They had plenty of time to stop her from doing that. If it is not fake, I; personally, would be so irate that I would demand financial restitution to pay for the damages and demand that she helps rebuild the sets or have charges filed. She has proven to be an extreme liability and a health risk to all who associate with her. I do not tolerate stupidity.

[@KnucklesxReala911]

Having in mind the story end with them wondering if she should be invited back, I can see most of these fellows a bit empty head

[@ArcCaravan]

@@theofficerfactory2625 It could be argued they're all a liability for letting her use the lighter near flammable objects for a game.

[@arnoldschpeiker7887]

First story: everyone but the two that put out the fire are idiots, including OP. I mean, he just sat there and had no instinct to try and put it out?

[@DaMuss-e2w]

I'm surprised no one tried to stop her when she pulled the lighter out?

[@ArcCaravan]

@@arnoldschpeiker7887 Those two could have also tried stopping the fire from starting. And the joke felt in bad taste.

[@namelesswanderer9315]

At the point the DM is hardfocusing you to keep you dead, and playing every enemy to be a strategic mastermind to keep you down, immediately do what the guy did - "I am not having fun and want a different character. If you need this niche, give it to someone else who isn't me, someone you like enough to let enjoy it." Real friends or not, the other option is to just be "that guy" who immediately picks up the phone and phones out the moment it happens and "huh? what's going on?" during every turn while stating you haven't had a turn in months. I would rather spend no time with my buddies than spend bad time with them, and this is a bad time. Either the DM will desist his behavior which ruins the fun for his friend, or I am going to rib the DM really hard and just Monty Python the rest of my tenure, maybe a bunch of fourth wall breaking snarkiness. "I will have fun, and if you play the game in a way to block my fun from happening, then it will happen at your expense BUDDY".

[@garrettgarner438]

I’ve heard of campaigns going up in flames but this is ridiculous.

[@MarquisLeary34]

Okay, and up next in the "Why playing Dungeons and Dragons is too dangerous these days" rolodex, let's add ARSON! Sex pests, people pulling knives, people pointing guns, threats of arrests, lawsuits, assault that results in broken bones, now "getting your house burned down."

[@nyxxthewry]

She would have been gone at color spray. 😂

[@sandpiperr]

Doge is way nicer than I am! Story 1: I would have laid into fire girl, I don't care if she was already crying! She clearly has no regard for other people's things or feelings, since this was the second time she ruined the sets that the DM made. Only, this time she actually caused damage to more than just the set and could have burned down his entire house! For me there would be nothing to think about when it came to whether or not to kick her out of the game! She's an adult, she should know better. Story 2: Again, are these people not adults? Why should the DM have to be responsible for sitting these people down and explaining like a Kindergarten teacher what they did wrong, when they clearly didn't give a single S about the fact that they upset the DM. Story 3: This is just a bad DM.

[@bsabruzzo]

One time in adventures League the regular DM couldn't make it so a substitute DM took over and played a module I don't know which one but it was something to do with a cave and a lake and something like that. The only two people that showed up besides the DM and me play goblin rogues and I played a halfling monk that used a whip is weapon, kind of based on Indiana Jones but shorter. We were joking around and acting silly because this wasn't an actual serious game, but the DM wanted us to be serious after a while. Eventually we ended up all writing raptors and finding the McGuffin at the end but we did it in a serious manner in such a way that the DM just started cracking up because we were serious about it, because he asked.

[@annageorge8406]

When I mashed 2 TCoE puzzles together it was for a haunted house.

[@greenchilistudioz4537]

First Story: She seem to never grown up to realize that breaking toys to be immerse to brutal play time by yourself is different from what you seen in shows and movies, took things literal and made irl attempt on fireball and not realize that was stupid move. Second Story: They clearly don't care about Op's world building, just doing some internet trolling with murderhoboing, quite the shitty situation indeed. Third Story: Classic case of DM miscomnunication, bullshit rules with bit pinch of DM vs players mentality (maybe lol) Fourth Story: Sounds like DM might attentionally made game tougher for the OP, hopefully they sorted it out.

[@TheRuneTail]

Story 1: Little firebug woulda been thrown in jail for that bs. She was told no more player effects and she still did it so she broke a rule and NEEDED to be kicked Story 2: Those players KNEW what they were doin and wanted to ruin the game don't put this on the DM

[@m.struck6535]

Story 1: Well, since nobody stopped her and it was a genuine accident, sure. Of course, all "Special Effects" would be off the table for now and there would numerous harsh words and a pause to let things calm down, especially since al lot of work was lost forever, but, again, nobody stopped her, inluding the DM. About the damages: in Germany we have something called a "Haftpflichtversicherung" for that, an insurance that pays in such cases.

[@melsky]

She already promised not to use any potentially harmful spell effects. I would never let this person in my house again.

[@DaMuss-e2w]

I would feel nervous living in the same block as her lol, be extra careful to make sure my fire alarm is working.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@melsky The table should have acted while she prepared her "immersion" stunt.

[@RickMeyers]

I’m going to call BS on the first story. On top of everything just being insanely implausible, I highly doubt in an emergency situation that saw the DM flee the house, that someone would waste even a second to deliver a quip before trying to extinguish the fire.

[@vortega472]

Thanks indeed Luna, I almost forgot to make a comment. You're keeping me honest.

[@flexiblenerd]

My first thought was that yeah, she should be banned; she's done something physically damaging twice now, so most likely, it's going to happen again. But what you say does make sense - IF she sticks to it and actually doesn't do any more special effects. Because she DID seem sorry and apparently was even okay leaving if that's what they agreed on, so...yeah, I dunno, I'm more of a follower than a leader. I'm prone to deferring to someone else.

[@Whurlpuul]

🗣 Luu na, loo-oo-nah

[@Herisheft]

I have hard time believing the first story. Paper mache would not catch fire that fast from a small piece of paper, and without anybody being able to react fast enough to just slap it with their hand to put it out. I call bs on this one.

[@l0stndamned]

The first story sounds rather weird and I wonder if some exaggeration is going on. Personally I'd have kicked the problem player after the spray-can moment before she even had a chance to set stuff on fire. I agree with Doge's assessment that different monsters should have varying ways of picking who to target based on intelligence, situation etc. DM looks like he's deliberately targeting OP.

[@TeamNerdHerd]

WOOOO LOVE YOU DND DOGE!!!

[@ganmerlad]

As someone who makes things and can spend days and weeks doing even small-scale things, I would be beyond furious at the girl in the first story ruining my work with paint and would need much apologizing and prostration to even continue. Then there would be a strict and final rule that there are absolutely no 'special effects' allowed beyond using your voice. Her putting a plate on the map should have caused alarm. Her lighting a wadded-up piece of paper on fire should have made the group freak out with a chorus of "What are you doing?!?" but no one did. Her thinking it would be ok to melt/scorch someone else's mini with fire is not normal. Then to have a joke made while there's a huge blaze of the map and all their papers when the whole house could burn down? I kind of wonder if the story is real. Just saying the DM made 7 massive maps out of paper mache when he *had never played before* makes the whole thing suspect to me. One, sure, to see what it's like. But 7? And each one 2-3 feet tall and 8' x 4' in size? Did he live in a warehouse or sleep in his closet?

[@zerothehero6100]

Dude, I don't care how sorry you are and if it was an accident. If you set my house on fire, we're not friends anymore.

[@Remoniq]

Well, the fire were a new one.

[@matthewjaniss4103]

Me and DMs have had shouting matches, but damn... WTF is wrong with yall, its a game.

[@ketrava0425]

I'll be honest. I've met players like the ones in story two, and I can almost guarantee.They were doing that on purpose to get the gm to quit, because they get some sort of rise out of ha ha, i've made this many gms quit This is why your your advice of pausing the game and talking to him about seriousness, and if it didn't happen shutting, the game down is a really good idea, because he would have been able to see nope, these are just trolls

[@JoshtheOverlander]

I would personally give the player in story one one last chance to do her object gimmick, but have her run every possible idea she has on how to simulate her spells by the DM first before letting her do anything

[@ArcCaravan]

@@JoshtheOverlander I'd just ban any object gimmicks. The DM's large flammable creations were enough of a hazard while the same results could be made with images on computers.

[@JoshtheOverlander]

@ArcCaravan I can understand that point of view, for sure. And considering the risk to the DM's house, yeah, nobody would blame him. Hell, I'd probably say the same in the DM's shoes, honestly.

[@NikkiDoesStufff]

The fire story is clearly fiction. Whoever wrote it has quite the imagination. 🙄

[@absolutfx]

Of all the stories that didn't happen, Story #1 didn't happen the most.

[@IceLordCryo]

For the first story, I think it'd be alright if she stayed to play. A) it was an accident and not intentional or done out of spite, B) she apologized and seemed willing to accept responsibility for what happened, and C) no one was (seriously) hurt. Lessons were learned and that should mean something

[@austinjerome5447]

Yeah no, so what if the whole house burned down? "OOPSIE I SOWWRY" hell no. How do you disrespect someone's house like that. Any sane adult wouldn't do it in their own house, it's not safe to do in somone elses.

[@IceLordCryo]

@@austinjerome5447 I do think there is no "correct" call here, as it's entirely up to the DM. You are correct in that serious damage was done. We were only given a snapshot of what happened, and we weren't there. *IF* the DM is willing to have them back, I see no harm, but it would also be extremely understandable if they did not wish to have that player back

[@WaveShock007]

Started with a spray can and then went to the fireball thing...yeah I'd be afraid the 3rd time its a Taser when she casts shocking grasp or lighting bolt.

[@swishfish8858]

​@@WaveShock007 I'd have her back on the condition that these "immersive spells" be banned from the table. No more spray cans, no more lighters. Just play D&D like a normal person. If you really want that immersion, bring some full-color photos of cool spell effects, or make minis of them!

[@watcherofmemelords7967]

​@@swishfish8858that sounds fair to me, I mean photos and minis add to the immersion effect that won't cause damage to anything.

[@axelwulf6220]

I kinda want to know about these horror stories from the POV of the problem Players/DMs

[@solan7978]

Play with fire and you're going to get burnt!

[@DaMuss-e2w]

in this case someone else got burnt.

[@dracawyn]

Super curious what prop she would have brought for power word kill

[@The482075]

The Fireball Sorcerer story reminds me of Nixie from Deerstalker Pictures.

[@ragnose1]

first story, just have a rule that all effects have to be agreed on by the table before being used. Just incase. Also perhaps suggest stuff like paper mache that has little flame effects on it rather than real objects inherently. the creativity is inspiring, but it definitely needs control and direction. Hell i could even imagine like, making a lil lego thing that has an expanding sphere of fire looking stuff. technic is damn powerful.

[@jaredthehawk3870]

The girl in story one sounds like they were IRL Nixie from Deerstalker productions 1 for All

[@Infovorousness]

First story: She’s stupid but you’re all almost as stupid to have just sat and watched the pyrotechnics. I’d let her back in but I feel like there needs to be an actual adult supervising all future games

[@willropa4226]

Story 1: This sounds fake, it's got a few holes in it. That lady had enough time to grab a plate, put a mini on it, grab some paper and a lighter, light the paper, and throw it at the mini, meanwhile the party was doing nothing. Or when that other girl somehow used 3 2-liter bottles to put out a fire that had spread across the table and to other nearby objects while simultaneously cracking jokes about it. To me, some things aren't adding up. Story 2: TBH, I understand that feeling. I've been in a few campaigns where there's always that one person who moments into the start of it will say that their character is gonna go take a dump. I always hate those moments since I want to take things a bit seriously, not so serious where each encounter is handled like Seal Team 6, but serious enough where we don't have these moments. Just, c'mon people, just because D&D is make-believe doesn't mean that anything goes, have a bit of decency. Story 3: Yeah, I've said it in a few other posts, DMs, unless there's a hecking good reason, keep your hands off the players' characters. Nobody likes being rendered powerless in D&D, so instead of taking away the powers of the characters, find some clever way to work around them if you want to, not to the extent of Achilles' heel, but like what WotC usually does with some monsters being immune to non-magical attacks, it's limiting but fair. Story 4: Would I recommend going Munchkin on the DM? I'm just saying, the feat Alert would REALLY put a wrench in his gears (+5 on initiative, no surprise rounds on you, unseen attacks against you are regular advantage), there are probably some other feats that would work too. I'm just saying, if this were happening, challenge accepted.

[@minty9245]

An entire party of redditors, yeah no surprise that’s how it turned out.

[@noahbu]

For the first story, I wouldn’t want her back cuz there’s a really clear lack of common sense that I wouldn’t wanna deal w 😭

[@alexanderslowikow9131]

They all lack common sense, though. When OP mentioned a spray can, i thought she suddenly lit the spray on fire and noone had time to react. But they literally watched her bring out a fire resistant mat, putting it on the table, taking the mini she wanted to burn, placing it on the mat, crumpling up a piece of paper and lighting it on fire. With the normal flow of a game, I also assume she anounced what she wanted to cast beforehand. And they all, including the DM, who made the giant paper mâché set pieces sitting right next to the table, just let it happen.

[@DaMuss-e2w]

@@alexanderslowikow9131 Seems like a scene from community to be honest.

[@Sumting-r7r]

I don't think that story is real. But if it was, I would not feel comfortable letting anyone that stupid back in my house.

[@dakotastein9499]

see...this is why sorcerers shouldnt have INT as thier dump stat.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@dakotastein9499 Along with the rest of the party.

[@ArcCaravan]

REAL Fireball - That setup felt like an accident waiting to happen. As for the firestarter, worst case scenario is she wanted spotlight after DM made full IRL environments for game. Though it seems more likely they just got too excited at the idea of making DnD more interactive. Her regret can be proven by covering for the damages, though I don't think any of them should go so hard on DnD effects. Picking out sounds and pictures should be enough. Crappy Player - That sounded more like DM getting trolled by jerks than needing to have proper conversations on what the campaign should be. Maybe if the players hadn't laughed at how mad they drove the DM. May all their games never be horror story free, and all their players problems for them. That don't work... - That spell system sounds like it could work with some tweaks, like letting players replace prerequisite spells if they won't use them or allow evolved spells to not count as a new spell learned. That dungeon sounded like an anti-magic dungeon for a spellcaster party but so much worse. Feels like an example of why some people aren't game designers and really shouldn't be. No Turns - Definitely sounds like justification to be allowed a new class that can survive. Maybe a homebrew class like the other players that gave what you wanted while being better balanced for homebrew campaign/party.

[@rainraven9881]

There's no way I'd let fireball girl back in my game. While it's true no one stopped her when she pulled out a plate, I can't really blame them for that. Honestly, if a player did that to me my first assumption would be something benign but difficult to clean, like glitter. The actual fire probably happened too quickly for anyone to do more than scream "NO!" Which... honestly it sounds like she'd be the type to have a several second delay in processing that, by which point the fireball would be thrown. Since she's honestly sorry I likely wouldn't stop being her friend, but she'd never be able to set foot in my house again as I wouldn't be able to trust her not to do something else that's colossally stupid.

[@VierteMann]

Player does a reckless thing that causes fisical damage and harm, op goes "I feel bad for punishing the player for doing a stupid thing that caused damages and harm" Don't, she deserves her punishing, this is a direct consequence of the first warning you gave them when she used the spray paint, this is the same train of thought just with worse consequences and is a sintom that she is used to screw up and just get a light pat on the wrist (not even slap) or not taking other people serious, she deserves to be kicked, there are consequences to our stupid actions

[@scottharrop6720]

I wouldn't eject the fireballer. However, I would put my foot down on a new rule and outlaw all future effects.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@scottharrop6720 That sounds like the best option considering it's an accident.

[@vampire9545]

Ummm, in last story no dnd is better than bad dnd means no friends for op

[@ArcCaravan]

@@vampire9545 Or have friends outside of DnD.

[@frybreadtoast1840]

i'll say this unless you've actually put out or stopped someone whose doing stupid shi~ you dont know how you'll really react to a situation. freeze response is more common for a large majority of people so go easy on those people in the group. sadly the woman who put out the fire prolly was in a similar sitation before which cool had a main character moment yass. but alas she prolly thought "oh no not again."

[@Michaeljack81sk]

Sorcerer isn't mature enough to play DnD (or anything else) with adults. Also why on earth did no-one stop her before she started setting things on fire?

[@ArcCaravan]

@@Michaeljack81sk None of them are innocent due to letting her start the fire after placing flammable objects around.

[@Michaeljack81sk]

@@ArcCaravan I agree, I was being kind. None of them sound particularly mature to have let her get the lighter out and set the fire in the first place, then to run around screaming for help instead of dealing with it is even worse

[@ArcCaravan]

@@Michaeljack81sk I had my doubts about the group after large paper mache sculptures were brought in for "immersion". Like there's safer ways to accomplish that.

[@Michaeljack81sk]

@@ArcCaravan Yeah, like having an actual imagination and not needing props

[@ArcCaravan]

@@Michaeljack81sk I was more referring to getting pictures or sound effects on their computer, but honestly you're correct that imagination is a better alternative to risky hazards for "immersion".

[@lagartopunkarra]

The Fireball girl in the first story... no, she should be kicked ASAP, even by accident she almost set the DMs house on fire by being reckless, and she needs to see the consequences of her actions.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@lagartopunkarra I'd feel more inclined to agree if everyone else didn't just sit back while she prepared her "immersive" fireball around the flammable objects DM placed around for the same reason as the firestarter. Her whole setup was based on trying (and failing) to avoid the problem her color spray immersion caused. So it's not like she can't learn from her mistakes.

[@dorianleakey]

Story 4 just makes me depressed, why do people pic up these shitty ideas about NPCs being smart and use them in shitty ways, where their smartness is expressed as if they are sentient chess pieces?

[@ArcCaravan]

@@dorianleakey Not even smart, just obsessed with one target while rationalizing letting other threats slide with no sense of self-preservation.

[@dorianleakey]

@@ArcCaravan Thank you, thats what I mean, individually they are dumb and self destructive in their quest for optimum tactics against the group. My DM slips into the mentality often,

[@TankNode]

The fucked up AI slop thumbnail the girl aint got no damn ARMS just a FLOATING HAND

[@DaMuss-e2w]

Lol so the playing with Fire Sorc Girl was Literally Qara from NWN2!! Yeah playing with fire is a bad idea, especially indoors.

[@ArcCaravan]

@@DaMuss-e2w Especially after covering the area in flammable objects.

[@megatronjenkins2473]

(rolls a 16, feeds Nipsey's enemies to the almighty Algorithmo of DOOOOOM!!!!!)

[@7thsealord888]

Story #1 - Yup, the moment Sorceror started messing with fire was the time to loudly say "NO!". Obviously, she had no damn judgement whatsoever. I feel most for the DM, who had evidently put a lot of time and effort into those sets and nearly lost his house - whether that idiot was allowed back or not should have been 100% his call, imo. Story #2 - Another of those instances where you have to wonder why the DM didn't pull the plug a lot earlier. Story#3 - So, this DM had the Players go to the trouble of building characters to fit his magic system, only to arbitrarily "switch off" all the magic anyhow. Yeah, don't bother coming back. Story #4 - Player really needs to have a serious sitdown with the group and point out this specific statistic. Using his character that way might suit the rest of the Party, but it doesn't suit him,.

[@Doodle1776]

The second story could have ben solved with one response by the GM several times over by the GM just saying, "No." Player: "I want to do this dumb thing." GM: "No." It's that simple, just say no. That really bad advice that you always have to say yes or "yes but" to players actions is the worst going around.

[@dracone4370]

I think Doge might enjoy looking through the source material for Magical Kitties Save the Day!, it could fun to see Doge stat out his kitties for Magical Kitties Save the Day! and share their character sheets whenever they show up on-screen moving forward

[@AvatAR42420]

The group REALLY should have stopped this girl when she pulled out a lighter.. I applaud her enthusiasm and creativity, but she does not think through how her actions will effect her friends and their property. I mean even if it worked as intended, unless they are paper minis, minis are expensive and throwing fire at one your don't own is bad manners. I think she needs a serious talking to and a probationary period. Creativity and ingenuity is fine.....but don't harm anyone or their possessions. This story does strain credulity a bit as I can't believe that a group of people actually sat through the production of her getting out the plate, pulling out the lighter and the paper and actually lighting the "fireball". Also I am surprised this group didn't have an issue earlier with Firebolt. It is quite rare to run into a sorcerer that doesn't have that cantrip as it is pretty good.

[@kevinsullivan3448]

Lack of common sense is not a reason to ban a player, unless it never stops. I'm all for players using props to represent spell effects, I made colored templates for AoE spells back in the 80s, but I never thought lighting something on fire during a game would be a good thing. Bad players exist, most are sociopaths, narcissists, or both. Sometimes a good player can be influenced by a bad player to act stupid. Playing games with randos is not a bad thing as you can use it to find good players to invite to a 2nd game. Just use throw-a-way scenarios for the rando games. The Dumbgeon Monster in the 3rd story should be beaten with his, her, or its books. The job of the DM is to apply the rules fairly across all PCs and NPCs, not 'win' against the players. The goat sucking DM in the last story gave a stupid and false excuse for being the biggest dick at the table. "Every sentient being on the planet knows you are a a glass cannon and target you exclusively." is such a dick move as to make me use foul language. The DM is NOT your friend and you need to exclude that douche bag from your life.

[@Saysquatsch]

So you had a real life Nixy on the table!🤣 #1forall

[@CooperAATE]

Overslept and missed being early to DTT 😢

[@RiveroftheWither]

I'm sorry but too many people in that first story are really, REALLY stupid. Obviously the fireball girl is the most stupid for playing with literal fire but she's not the only one. They know that paper is flammable but not PAPER mache? No one at any point during her whole set up thought to stop her? She should have been shut down the moment she pulled out a lighter. Now there's an actual debate as to whether or not she should be kicked after almost burning down someone's house because she was too stupid to know that throwing a paper ball on fire is dangerous... Because she was sorry and didn't mean to? This is just asinine...

[@zangryomani1257]

... So fire girl was def brain dead right?

[@beardiemom]

As were the rest of them. She went through a whole process of setting all of this up and nobody suggested that that might be a bad idea. If someone did that at my table, the moment the mini went on the plate, I'd ask what they're planning and shut it down when they reply.

[@clericofchaos1]

I call bs on the first story. No player gets THAT invested in any campaign and if they do i honestly hope they never have kids and win a darwin award.

[@swishfish8858]

You've clearly never been to the degen side of the game store, lmao.

[@clericofchaos1]

@@swishfish8858 degen? Is that short for dengenerate? Like the fate games?