Darts of Death: A Killer Thrown Weapons Build | D&D 5e

[@GypsyScot1]

I like the idea of picking up Weaver's Tools proficiency with Student of War. A master of needles both in combat and out!

[@elliotbryant3459]

I like it! That would also be cool on a battle smith artificer build with returning weapon. Maybe the steel defender is their mannequin

[@GypsyScot1]

@@elliotbryant3459 Oooo that is a fun idea. A tailor-artificer!

[@KuaEtus]

And you can make your oun nets 🐈, i like this. Add medicine to have acupuncture and you are done.

[@KissMyConverseFool]

my thought was pick up medicine and be a deadly medic

[@neebogreebo2052]

Would probably be worth stapling 3 levels of assassin rogue onto the end of this build. High level ranger doesn't get us a ton, and assassin rogue turning our opening round of 6 attacks with action surge and sharpshooter into an absolute freight train of damage.

[@Черныйрусский-ь7б]

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[@CivilWarMan]

One D&D does allow for a few pretty interesting thrown weapon builds, since the Hexblade's ability to attack with their casting stat is now part of Pact of the Blade, Pact of the Blade Warlocks can pick either Wisdom or Charisma as their casting stat, and if the Pact weapon has the thrown property it gets the returning property as well. So you go Pact of the Blade Warlock, potentially multiclassing into Ranger or Paladin depending on which casting stat you choose. For your Pact weapon, choose a Trident, and then get the Weapon Mastery for the Trident so it has Topple. So you stand back and throw your Trident at the enemy, using your Wisdom or Charisma, and if you hit them you force them to make a saving throw or get knocked prone. If they save, you throw the Trident again and try to force another save. If they fail the save, you close the gap, wield the Trident two-handed since it has the Versatile property, and attack at advantage with a larger damage die.

[@emjayd1393]

Maybe add 2 lvls of artificer specifically for returning weapon with +1 mod. Never collect those darts or daggers cuz its coming back each time you throw it😄

[@aquartertwo]

If you're gonna do that, you might as well do Battle Master 6, Artificer 2, then Battle Master the rest of the way, with Archery (Quick Toss lets you reload, you get the weapon back anyway, and Archery helps with Sharpshooter more than TWF). You'll unfortunately swap your tertiary with INT > WIS for the multiclass requirement, but that also opens up an ASI for Ritual Caster (Wizard), which opens up a ton of utility options like Find Familiar, Phantom Steed, Leomund's Tiny Hut, and Rary's Telepathic Bond.

[@Diamondpigman01]

Haku and Zabuza basically made Naruto Popular

[@shawn55648]

Believe it!

[@TheElectrikCow]

I've had a fun Dart based character that I've wanted to play for a while, basically just take at least 2 levels in Artificer to get the "Returning Weapon" Infusion, and literally just make a needler from Halo. Flavor it so that instead of just one needle, each 1 damage is it's own needle. After that just try your best to get the Archery and Thrown Weapon Fighting Fighting Styles through whichever means you wish.

[@Deffy_Dhuck]

If you want a different version, my current character is a Horizon Walker Ranger/ Soul Knife Rogue. If your DM allows homebrew, look up Throw Weapons Master Feat. Basically its like a mix of crossbow expert and throw weapon fight style. The one version Im using is with a bonus action you can throw two weapons with the offhand at two different targets. Horizon walker gets 2 things haste at lvl 9 and distant strike at level 11. the feat, distant strike and haste allows 6 attacks in one turn with movement, but instead of focus fire its more of a scattershot. Works for my party since they are more focus fire so I can chip others in advance :)

[@pedropaesmauriz9388]

Where can I find the Throw weapons master Feat?

[@Deffy_Dhuck]

@@pedropaesmauriz9388 5e . tools anywhere on that site, there should be a "manage homebrew". click on all the boxes, i dont remember which module it was. then feats, and it should be there

[@pedropaesmauriz9388]

@@Deffy_Dhuck Thanks! 5etools is really helpful, I didn't know there was a homebrew table there

[@Deffy_Dhuck]

@@pedropaesmauriz9388 Aye, I love that site :D I didn't know either, it was until I saw the blue box im like what this? XD

[@pedropaesmauriz9388]

@@Deffy_Dhuck lol I'm going to test it right away! XD

[@bukharagunboat8466]

I did a build in 1E with UA. Starting as a high strength Fighter before switching to Thief. Throwing 3 darts per round with double specialization is very messy. With 18(95) strength and 17 Dex that is +5 to hit and each hit causing d3+8 damage. Like the video's build the character used a shield. Also in 1E ALL the damage from a sneak attack was multiplied up, so for this character the large Strength bonus gets multiplied. Having said all that Dart is badly done in 5E. At the very least it needs the Light property to allow one to be thrown as a Bonus Action. The OneDnD playtest allows two Light missile weapons to be used in the same turn like this, which is also an improvement.

[@drfeelgoodinc.]

I made a similar character but Strength-based with Artificer 2 Fighter 9. With his returning weapon and a shield, as well as plate, he had a 21 AC and was dishing out a minimum of 18 damage an attack (now that was with archery fighting style and thrown fighting style together, talk to your DM to see if they'll allow both together).

[@Cpt_Corsair]

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[@jacobyullman5005]

The only problem with this build is that it might not technically work RAW, which If it were me I would allow but some DMs may not. The issue is that Sharpshooter's "power attack" function specifies "Before you make an attack with a ranged weapon", and thrown weapons aren't *technically* ranged weapons, they're melee weapons with the Thrown property. Just like how attacks with Unarmed Strikes count as melee weapon attacks, but aren't melee weapons, you can make ranged weapon attacks with thrown weapons, but they aren't ranged weapons (Archery would also not work with thrown weapons RAW). It's confusing and personally I'd allow it at my table, but some DM's are pretty hard-set when it comes to rules as written.

[@RenoKyrie]

Want to know what does work with throwable weapon? Lightning Arrow, yes you can esentially make Lightning Net

[@thejesteramongfools]

Actually Darts are ranged weapons with the thrown property so they 100% work by RAW perfectly fine with both shapshooter and the archery fighting style. But since most other (all but the net) are melee weapons with the thrown property they would not work with either the style or the feat you are correct there. So Dart yes, Dagger no. Better to go with dueling fighting style instead and use throwing axes if you want that route.

[@Litchert]

Fun build! I hope to try it soon :D The only change I would make would be to go with a Halfling race as opposed to Vuman. It slows the access to Sharpshooter down a bit, yes, but it gives us the Lucky class feature which synergizes well with the Lucky feat later on (and is just nice to have in general), and almost all of the subraces have good options for this build. I'd probably go with Lotusden for the free Spike Growth once a day, or Lightfoot for Naturally Stealthy. Ghostwise would also be good for the added benefit of telepathy to keep you silent while sneaking around. Can't really go wrong.

[@MemphiStig]

And in your down time, you can hustle people in the pub, or just play with your cousin Roman. In AD&D darts were occasionally popular, for certain classes, in spite of their low damage, because they had a high rate of fire. However, RAW, combat darts weren't like pub darts, but more like lawn darts (RIP, Jarts), so you couldn't wear crossed bandoleers stuffed with darts and be a killing mochine. I like this idea tho. As ever, it's not the weapon, it's the wielder.

[@Synamint87]

Nice thrower build.

[@PaintballaJkilla]

15 base min damage is nice for a set of D4 weapons. possibility of 75 min dmg all said and done. pulls some weight

[@bijnahonderdeuro]

This is actually a fun monk option with focused aim + sharpshooter + ki empowered strike shenanigans. Darts get a bump every martial arts die, too. Fighter 1, monk 6 gets you the FS plus the loop, then you can grab ranger for archery and gloom stalker, or rush fighter for battle master. Kensei is good to guarantee the BA attack, but shadow works well with the ninja flavour. Alternatively, you can use a shortbow and grab archery as your first FS for a DPR boost early on if you don't mind losing some flavour.

[@crownlexicon5225]

Unfortunately, darts don't scale with the martial arts die. Monk weapons are "shortswords and any simple melee weapons that don't have the two handed or heavy property" Darts are ranged weapons, not melee. Dedicated Weapon from Tashas may circumvent that, however, depending on your interpretation

[@HamburgerHat1]

@@crownlexicon5225 kensei monk can make darts their ranged monk weapons.

[@Theonemanoffire]

Also the “needle weapons” from Naruto are called ice picks I believe

[@simonacerton3478]

They are based on a real weapon called a shaken, pronounced shah ken IIRC

[@ThespianDevil]

In Naruto, it’s Senbon IRL, it’s Bo-Shuriken

[@yiklongtay6029]

Darts actually refers to small but heavy javelin-like missiles. So when you pair it with a shield, you kind of make me think of Roman infantry men

[@glitchking666]

Definitely fun build, gives a bad (damage wise) weapon a good use

[@CyclopsWasRight]

It's like you can read my mind. This is very close to my Ninja build.. It's a shame darts are the only ranged weapons with the thrown property. I reflavored them as shurikens.

[@DnD_Daily]

Nets happen to also fit that category but require a very different build!

[@CyclopsWasRight]

@@DnD_Daily Due to that fact, I rarely even consider them. The One D&D version appears to be a better fit. Hope it stays the way they've shown it.

[@jorenthar9186]

Wonder if kensei monk would be any good

[@jeffchong3901]

Absolutely - a battlemaster/kensei with sharpshooter, focused aim and ki fueled attack would be nasty The synergy is real once you hit fighter 1/kensei 6. Missed a sharpshooter attack? Use focused aim to hit and trigger ki fueled attack for a bonus action sharpshooter dart. Hit both of your attacks? Spend a ki point for deft strike, get bonus damage and again trigger ki fueled attack for bonus action dart. At higher levels, the battlemaster quick toss and precision attack add more value. And because of kensei weapons, all attacks are magical.

[@Ama-Deus]

Played something similar : battle master 5 rest in rogue ( can't remember the subclass but it might have been tief, in order to get fast hands ). And was doing 3 attacks i think at lvl 8, it was pretty fun his name was Niko/Riko ( people called him the liar , but he had 2 personalities on even days he was niko on odd days he was riko, one was a soldier type while the other one was a womenizer ) noone found out about his personality until i told them after his death :))

[@JoshuaSmith-hl1xj]

Unfortunately it starts to suffer early mid to late game when physical damage resistant enemies become more common. U need to have a homebrew magic item like a pouch of magical darts or u need to go kensei monk/fighter/ranger.

[@Razdasoldier]

Maybe dip artificer. It keeps the magic spell slot progression going and returning weapon fixes the damage issue AND increases the damage output slightly.

[@JoshuaSmith-hl1xj]

@@Razdasoldier while that is decent choice I wouldn't multiclass it with ranger since then you would need 4 stats at 13 or above. Ranger needs dex and wis, artificer need int, and since your likely within 30ft of melee u need atleast a decent con. Monk just has simpler stat investment.

[@Razdasoldier]

@@JoshuaSmith-hl1xj So instead of an Str: 8, Dex: 15, Con:14, Int: 13, Wis:13, Cha: 9 (Custom lineage for 17 Dex and SS) you want to go 4 extra levels in an unrelated class. This would take you down to 3rd level spells and spell slots max instead of 4th level spells with 5th level slots.

[@elliotbryant3459]

@@Razdasoldier Even worse actually, you would have to go 6 levels into kensei to get magical weapons. Dedicated weapon and ki-empowered strikes don't make weapons magical. You're better off redesigning the whole build at that point.

[@arcanerecovery2567]

I would go gloom stalker 3 and then battle master for the rest. I know I would have to wait all the way to 8th level to get extra attacks (that's when battle master would reach 5th level) but this gives you what you need from gloom stalker (it's 3rd level abilities) and way more levels in battle master will only give you more maneuvers and superiority dice, and higher dice. You will be better off in the long run even if you suffer a little in the short run.

[@maxweatherhead943]

Bro I love Naruto, we need a hashirama ESC build with like taijutsu + nature magic. Could we get one pls

[@DnD_Daily]

We'll put it on our list! Awesome flavor

[@maxweatherhead943]

@@DnD_Daily thankyou

[@DracosDiabolis]

I'd shave 3 maybe 4 lvls off Ranger. And add in Soulknife Rogue. 1 - 4 Soulknife 5 - 15 Gloomstalker 16 - 20 Battlemaster I'm just spitballing the build. So 1-20 how you wish. But don't forget to use Guardian of Nature (4th lvl spell) for 1d6 force damage. And with a forgiving dm. You could almost run this and a throwing art duel wielder. Would have to map it out tho to see if it's possable. Awrsome build. As always. Got my brain meats turning. Tho would switch from v. Human to half elf for elven accuracy. ☕️

[@elliotbryant3459]

-I would consider taking Fighting Initiate-dueling, since you're only wielding 1 dart at a time with a shield, the damage from dueling and thrown weapon fighting stacks.- Might also want gunner for when an enemy is next to you. edit: dueling + thrown only works with thrown melee weapons

[@antssa2558]

dueling is for melee weapon only

[@elliotbryant3459]

@@antssa2558 Oh crap! I remembered that it works with thrown knives, since those are melee weapons that can be used for ranged attacks, but ya knives would preclude sharpshooter.

[@Finnssssss]

That's the trade off between using daggers or darts. Darts qualify for archery and thrown fighting styles as well as Sharpshooter but not dueling style. You also have have something else to throw a dart as a bonus. Daggers can benefit from dueling, thrown or dual wield styles but not archery or Sharpshooter. However you get to use your bonus action to throw a dagger with your offhand for free as per normal dual wielding rules. Or you can do a Str build and upgrade to hand axes.

[@jbw065]

How does this stack up against a more fighter focused dart build like Colby’s? Which do you think is more powerful in combat? The utility aspect of the character will totally go to this build as ranger is super versatile but I wondered if it is superior in combat as well?

[@Theonemanoffire]

Okay something I’m curious about, if I cast darkness as a gloomstalker if someone has devils sight they still can’t see me right?

[@antssa2558]

they can as devil's sight and dark vision are different abilities and work differently

[@elliotbryant3459]

There are 2 types of Devil's sight. 1. Devil's devil's sight: Magical darkness doesn't impede the devil's darkvision. 2. PC's devil's sight: You can see normally in darkness, both magical and nonmagical, to a distance of 120 feet. [available as a warlock infusion, astral self monk and an inferior version for shadow sorcerer -who can't see through it if others cast it] 1. The kind devils have. If you were in an area of normal darkness when the Darkness spell was cast, then they can't see you. If it was dim light, bright light or a light source has entered the area when/since the spell was set up then it gets more complicated. It could be argued since you're technically still in darkness [for yourself], the spell is still affecting you [enabling umbral sight], not the devil here. Or it could be argued that that aspect of umbral sight doesn't affect you, but other's perception of you, in which case they would be able to see you. 2. Relying on darkvision is taken out of the picture since they're seeing you normally here, there's nothing for you to evade. Also should be noted, you would need outside access to the darkness spell since it's not on the ranger or gloom stalker list

[@Theonemanoffire]

@@elliotbryant3459 it’s not too hard to do considering drow race

[@elliotbryant3459]

@@Theonemanoffire right, or tiefling

[@C_A_I_N_N]

id be curious to see some homebrew of a 'way of the thousand poisons' monk subclass where your starting level 3 ability is to be able to create from your body and ki, poison with as you level, the value of the poison you can create increases with at the start, your limited to basic poisons around 50gp cost at most but with each milestone, you get the ability to create more and more potent and varied poisons as you learn to create poisons that apply charmed or sleep or madness or confusion or calm and with the base feature of you yourself being IMMUNE to poison as you invibed the deadly tonic of 1000 poisons and lived and now are learning to harness the roiling mass of poison within yourself that also has granted your body immense regenerative ability as that was the only way your body could survive it but it still came at the cost of your vitality (you heal for all poison damage you deal but your HP total gets halved making it so you become this interesting type of monk who wants to stay at range using things like needles cause you cant take many hits but when you do take one, you can likely heal most of it off by the time your hit again) with really it just being this fun almost like alchemist monk but in the best kind of monk way that also gets around the annoyance of needing to CONSTANTLY buy and stock up on supplies with maybe even the ability to heal your party of poisons and disease and stuff ;D

[@jeffreycrowder2866]

Way to make a dart more viable. Interesting

[@medoh]

Wanted to do a samurai build but found that the popular builds for it were kinda bland. Didn't wanna just do a bow build or GWM or PAM. But a character that throws darts at high speed in huge amounts? Now that's something I can sink my teeth in.

[@RenoKyrie]

Gloomstalker Build are deffinitly something else Its Arcane Trickster with no Cantrip but hey, you get way more Utility Spell since you have Druid List and not Wizards AND more Spells in general Also unlike Rogues you have more projectile capability

[@lmsimao77]

I would use bugbear racial option. You all know why.

[@ericpeterson8732]

I was excited until you went gloom stalker. Haku doesn't sneak around in the dark. Isn't it possible to make a dart throwing build that focuses on sharpshooter and throen weapon fighting style and just tries to maximize the number of attacks? I'm not adverse to sneak attack or some other way to increase damage per dart, but I hate gloom stalkers for the playstyle. It's a selfish playstyle, like the shadow sorcerer's darkness feature. Yeah, it gets you advantage, but it messes up your allies unless they built for it. Hunter ranger would be better for horde breaker and eventually volley. And conjure barrage. That feels like Haku.

[@matthewlenard8346]

Hello D&D Daily I hope your day is going well, I thoroughly enjoy this build you have presented. This build is very powerful and not to be messed with but RAW game mechanics does not give you six attack with what you have demonstrated. Rules as written you only gets extra attack when you have made the attack action, action surge and dread ambusher are bonuses to an attack that you have already made, hence you can make four attacks on your first turn with this build. This being said a lot of DM'S nowadays through out the core rules and build a world of their own where anything is possible, but in that world where the rules don't exist there is no optimizing against the DM.

[@DnD_Daily]

Actually RAW action surge let's you take an additional action on your turn, which can be made to use the attack action, and if you have the extra attack feature you can attack a second time when you take the attack action. Dread ambusher states that if you take the attack action on your first turn in combat, you may make an additional attack as a part of that action. Meaning your first attack action has 3 attacks (extra attack + dread ambusher) and your second attack action from action surge would also have 3 attacks.

[@matthewlenard8346]

@@DnD_Daily You can only take the attack action once per round, action surge is a bonus to an attack you've already made that gives you one extra attack and just one. A level five fighter gets extra attack an action surge allowing them to attack three times once per short or long rest. Applying the mechanics that you have demonstrated would allow a level 20 fighter two gets six attacks on the first round of combat and an additional six on the second with a two handed greatsword and that is just not how that works.

[@nicoalsplanzen1712]

@@matthewlenard8346 Action Surge Starting at 2nd level, you can push yourself beyond your normal limits for a moment. On your turn, you can take ONE additional ACTION. Once you use this feature, you must finish a short or long rest before you can use it again. Starting at 17th level, you can use it twice before a rest, but only once on the same turn. So a LVL 20 Fighter would acutally have 8 Attacks in his first turn, since he gets 3 extra attacks at this Level when he takes the attack action

[@matthewlenard8346]

@@nicoalsplanzen1712 Let's say that I am echo knight fighter at level 20. Let's say I am using two weapon fighting and i have picked up the dual wielding feat and I am fighting with morning stars. I take the attack action that gives me three attacks. On that attack I use attack surge that will allow me to make one additional attack as a bonus to the attack that i have already made. On that same turn I use unleash incarnation that would give me one additional attack as a bonus to the attack that i have already made giving me five attack and then I bounes attack with my off hand allowing me to attack three more times and that is how you roll for eight attcks in a single round. Note the echo would of had to have been summoned on the round prior.