Microsoft FINALLY Fixed This...

Microsoft just announced the new Snapdragon X powered Surface Pro and Surface Laptop for 2024, and they're taking aim right at the M3 MacBook Air. But can they actually pull it off?
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[@eyb0ss]

Not a single 8GB RAM option in sight, something Apple can learn from

[@ArthropodSpidey]

On the other hand, not a single windows update, virus, advertisement in sight on macOS.

[@JozefDelMundo]

And it looks like the Surface Laptops still have a fan while the macbook airs have no fans

[@eyb0ss]

@@ArthropodSpidey true, but let's not pretend MacOS doesn't get affected by malware. But screw the ads, that is still stupid to this day.

[@jaughnekow]

​@@eyb0ssa lot might switch to MacOS because of this...

[@eyb0ss]

@@nickthaskater I can't see any 8GB option on the UK website for pre-order

[@p5rsona]

$350 for a keyboard??? is microsoft smoking the same crack as apple???

[@tycooperaow]

They all are

[@davadh]

Same pipe, just different ends

[@louiswilliamterminator2887]

But MS keyboard is better since it'll break more quickly, giving the consumer to buy new better keyboard or tablet, andlre BSODs when the drivers crash

[@MackUtley]

Apple would charge $1000 and calll it the magic plus amazing never before seen keyboard because we invented keyboards. The Apple fanboys would be foaming at the mouth for it.

[@lamar310]

That is absurd and way too much for an accessory. I own the new iPad Air 13" but I'll never buy an Apple keyboard

[@BlueHayterade]

Way more excited about windows potentially running well on ARM than more goofy ai features.

[@nickthaskater]

Windows has no issue running on ARM, it's the applications that have been the issue.

[@christianr.5868]

@@nickthaskaterhopefully this chip can handle emulation better. And that more apps get native support

[@Space97.]

Same

[@enesjei]

@@nickthaskater and that's the major turn off of windows ARM. They don't have tools like rosetta 2 when they introduced windows arm...or at least they tried but failed miserably. So I really hope they solve this issue for this release.

[@nickthaskater]

@@enesjei there's an entirely new x86 emulator now, so yes it should be like Rosetta 2 now.

[@lamar310]

They lost me with the $350 keyboard. Accessory prices have gotten way out of control

[@MarioDarnadi]

It's standalone device

[@catgirl_eva]

But you can use Type Covers as old as the Pro X Keyboard. The Flex Keyboard isn't your only option here.

[@ironbolt2678]

Sure, they are expensive, but bring the value back with usability. Sure, if you 2 finger type, wasting 350, 250, 150 or even 75€ on any keyboard is a waste. If you proper 10 finger type, good keyboard is irreplacable. For example, magic keyboard for iPad is hella expensive, but nothing comparable exists that doesnt take up entire table when in use.

[@shinobusuicide]

$1100 device + $350 keyboard 😡🤬🤬 $1300 device + $150 keyboard 😁🤗🤗

[@christopherschulze3352]

A keyboard should never exceed $100… I wont even try to type on it… how can someone enjoy something like this? Could not rape it day in and out my fingers.

[@samvieten_official]

the usecase for the separation of the keyboard is actually quite a big thing if you doing art in that device. since your “offhand” can’t rest in front of your screen since you need the space for drawing.

[@commentarytalk1446]

Wireless keyboard = Variable Viewing distance so good for eyes comfort, for hands/arms posture and even for viewing height of the Surface screen for ergonomics/posture. Additionally, wireless means you can write and type at the same time if for example doing science diagrams and typing up some notes alongside.

[@Sketchupdave]

The detachable keyboard is perfect if you are travelling and the seat in front of you has a folding table. Put your laptop up high and the keyboard on your lap👌

[@YouGotPropofol]

Still no native pdf *EDITOR* Still no decent email/calendar app (mail and calendar being replaced by “the new outlook” which is a disaster. Why does microsoft not polish software?

[@finnley24]

cos they don’t give a shit

[@finnley24]

as long as they steal as much data from you as possible, they are happy

[@rjbse]

They're busy chasing trends

[@YouGotPropofol]

@@rjbse exactly. Ai is the new 3D

[@davosworks]

@@finnley24haha thats big true. And its very sad. I loved Windows 8.1 on Surface devices. It was celan, fast, fresh, designed for touch. But windows 11 is garbage for touch devices 😂

[@pepitaluna3246]

LOL at everyone in the comments saying that the price of the keyboard is a deal breaker-- this isn't the Apple ecosystem where functionality will be inhibited if you don't EXCLUSIVELY use their products. I've been using Surface devices for years and have been using a different Bluetooth keyboard and pen. My device WORKS and it does things really well. 😅 Also, as someone who writes for a living giving PowerPoint presentations in a café is not all you can do with a Bluetooth keyboard. 😉

[@BriefNerdOriginal]

Microsoft taking screenshots of your display and extracting information to feed its algorithms... What could go wrong?!

[@neonquixote5278]

At least that’s a feature you can turn off…for now. Several tv show writers just got new ideas for the fall season.

[@mist1373]

they already announced that the recall feature is entirely on-device, nothing gets sent to MS

[@peterthepanda]

@@mist1373 Sure, keep drinking the Microsoft Kool Aid. I would rather trust Somalian tap water than what Microsoft says. 😂

[@Francisco17Berrios]

@@mist1373 Yeah yeah, and Facebook wont sell your account info because they say so, yeah yeah.

[@Codyslx]

@@peterthepanda You have a google account bud.

[@gwvaio]

lol PowerPoint presentation at the cafe?

[@randy89555]

Why not, I know people who do lots of them in a week

[@JunnyJai]

Erm I think we have that sort of thing in browsers where we can look back to find out something we saw maybe last week. I think it's called "History" or "Ctrl + H" on most if not all browsers. Personally I'd rather not have Microsoft screenshot anything even if it's "local"

[@hannahtimson2526]

Microsoft says local but only open source code would verify that since we all know how much microsoft loves to sell your data

[@JunnyJai]

@@hannahtimson2526 that's what I'm saying. Especially when people have to install a "real" clean version of Windows 11 without all the telemetry an bloat that comes with it

[@ThePianist51]

2:40 Filthy Frank Human and Vomit Cake Flashback… 😂🎉

[@Jerome-iwnl]

Recall is pretty much microsoft seeing every single thing you do on your screen...

[@darkless60]

Imagine watching naughty stuff 😳

[@obalisk990]

Then remove the applications you wish the OS not to record or better yet completely disable it.

[@J-wm4ss]

@@darkless60 ah, just what i needed, an automated journal of whatever stuff i goon to

[@rano12321]

as if you weren't using their os in the first place

[@rano12321]

it happens on your device locally, unlike where ios scans every photo you take to train their ai model.

[@catgirl_eva]

I got my Surface Pro preordered and oh am I ready for it! Don't really care about all the AI stuff though. Best of all, I can just carry over my Type Cover from my Surface Pro X!

[@SanderGHovde]

does the new one support the old cover?

[@RemofRenaissance]

I’m very envious. I have a base surface pro 9 and wondering what I could get as a part exchange through Microsoft for a base X Plus iteration. I may come back to this chat to find out how you got along with performance. I’m holding out for some reviews just to make sure software I use all works well.

[@catgirl_eva]

@@SanderGHovde Yep! Surface Pro is compatible with the Pro X Keyboard, Pro X Signature Keyboard, Pro Keyboard, Pro Signature Keyboard, and Pro Keyboard with Pen Storage. All on top of supporting the new Flex Keyboard.

[@Space97.]

​@@SanderGHovdeyeah and I love that

[@glootfrootswoot]

The Bluetooth functionality used to be an add on device you’d click the keyboard to way back when the Surface line first came out

[@yungdadi]

All I hear is intel is in trouble

[@randy89555]

Lol Intel has so many clients and sells that they literally don't care. Plus, they don't depend on tsmc like Qualcomm, amd and apple

[@IvoPavlik]

All I hear is competition is here

[@Nicholas-lf4wh]

​@IvoPavlik maybe Intel will get off there high horse

[@lixiaochen6]

Intel seems to have heavily discounted their Ultra series CPU, as I noticed mostly of the laptops with them are selling at equal less price. The battery life of the ultra series is acceptable (10h vs maybe 20h on arm), not as good but if it's discounted it's not too bad.

[@GalSep2508]

nope, recall sounds like a privacy nightmare. I truly hope that it doesn't become standard on regular Windows versions

[@whyrulikedis8248]

just turn it off?

[@djalil_YT]

Cool video! I’m still happy using my Pro X, but I hope this is a sign they’re finally serious about ARM. Honestly, five years later native compatibility should really be 100%.

[@DNKI]

It's been long overdue for sure

[@michaeldyer6378]

350 for the pro keyboard is just obscene.

[@Toss3]

It's 7000 SEK for the keyboard and pen here in Sweden - that is just bonkers.

[@extra4542]

Another use case is for the wireless keyboard is that you can connect your surface to a tv and use it from your couch. Also for artists, this is huge bc you can draw on the surface while keeping the keyboard to the side for keyboard shortcuts. They showed this in the ad but i don’t think non-artists understand how useful this is. People have been using workaround methods with other accessories/keyboards for years

[@thebozzIDW]

I’m really looking forward to the reviews of these, I’ve been holding off on buying a MacBook Air since the announcement of the snapdragon CPU in the first place. I’ve heard that the laptop, allows for upgrading the SSD, which to me is pretty much the reason I would buy it over a MacBook Air

[@tohur]

bruh Recall is a privacy nightmare and makes sh*t easier for hackers/scammers .. keep dat crap away from my PCs

[@SoundJudgment]

They expect you to run the computer with BitLocker always turned on... so you get the privacy protection that way, at least.

[@tohur]

@@SoundJudgment bitlocker is only good IF your PC gets stolen.. if you are logged into your PC and get hacked while using your PC or leave it logged in you ARE screwed

[@0123jhl]

My Biggest concern is compatability for x86 programs.

[@argonaut502]

Computers storing tabs and applications that you close is something...

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Something Mac has done for a few years and Linux has done for decades. I think Windows 7 even offered a similar feature.

[@zurgmuckerberg]

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 yes but not to this extent

[@oriondewitt]

“PowerPoint presentation at a cafe” -person who has obviously never had a non-KZbin job

[@DNKI]

You'd be surprised how many pitches and brainstorming sessions happen in my area like this

[@mevrael]

Wait till you see how consultants like me present on their iphones to CEOs in the evening in a busy Chinese restaurant 🥲

[@ktech4246]

Bit harsh, I take it you are not in management/sales? Can't say powerpoint but I'm always pulling out my laptop to show clients/collegues in a cafe

[@adequatequality]

Lmaooo, I can genuinely never take people that "work" at coffee shops seriously. Like forreal, is answering emails and pretending to work on a tiny screen the sum of your job 😂

[@SwastikDash-pj8wi]

Ned? How’s Peter doing? Oh shoot! I forgot you forgot.

[@miguelhamrol6567]

I watched this video on a Surface Pro. They sell the keyboard separately? Apparently, they're learning from Apple and the iPad.

[@idontwanttochooseausername]

iPad os is isn’t a keyboard centered OS and everything can be done using the touchscreen, Windows on the other hand is a Mouse and Keyboard/Trackpad centered OS with a lot of stuff not working well with touch, so I’d say it’s even worse.

[@Space97.]

​@@idontwanttochooseausernameexactly 💯 we should tell people this stuff evertime they ask for Mac os on the iPad

[@akin242002]

Finally, 16GB of RAM on the Surface Pro base specs! Dell Latitude, HP EliteBook, and ThinkPad T14s: Are we a joke to you?

[@cuerex8580]

For some reason, Microsoft always finds a new way to make everyone disable all their telemetry addons. 😅

[@janojimenez8187]

The detachable type cover is so the screen can be over something, now your neck doesn't work. Fake keyboards have been doing it since gen 3

[@justinloutoo5248]

I miss the Surface book lineup ..I own a Surface Book 2 and love it

[@kindofanmol]

So excited for these!

[@ZioBlu]

The detachable keyboard is obviously a must-have for artists, because you can have access to all your shortcuts, while still using the screen in a mostly horizontal layout

[@techzolute]

This is amazing. I've never wanted to jump ship from Windows. Now I'm even more glad to remain with Windows. Snapdragon X here we go.

[@videogamenoob100]

Great vid Ken! I'm in the market for a laptop and I think this is going to be be a good choice

[@SomeOne-p6f]

So is this full Windows or a watered down version for ARM? If it can't run all the native apps with the minimum of hiccups,, it'll be just like previous attempts at this.

[@raye_0948]

Hope the batterie of the surface pro will finally be more than 4 hour

[@MohamedDanielHassanKamara]

Wow! Bro, you are good at your game. Keep it up. You have just earned a subscriber.

[@benb4946]

I’m curious about that orange chair in the background on the left. Does anyone know what it’s called?

[@spicytuna5227]

Got the 8gb m1 air and still rocking solid even working on it , mostly browser tabs plus some excel . All day battery too , SSD health is nowhere near 90% . Always apple from now on , no shitty drivers and fan noise to bother.

[@nickthaskater]

$3,600 CAD for the Surface Pro X Elite Wi-Fi w/ 32GB RAM, 1TB, and the new keyboard cover w/ Slim Pen. Laugh my freaking ass off. Still wasting a whole port for the Surface Connect crap. Just give it another USB-C port. Recall may store the source data on device but you can bet it's sending that encrypted data via telemetry.

[@darluok23]

I’m sticking to the 16/512 model and will order a keyboard from eBay 😄

[@bartekm4280]

Have you add oled screen? Its + 500£ in UK. Mad…

[@nickthaskater]

@@bartekm4280 yes that is including the OLED

[@randy89555]

​@@bartekm4280why get a screen that's gonna burn out in a year or two

[@nickthaskater]

@@randy89555 OLEDs haven't worked like that for years.

[@Acepilot8Gaming]

Watched the Austin vid in the morning and now I'm watching Denki on my meal. Good life

[@yannpoco]

The future looks bright for Microsoft but Windows still needs A LOT of polishing. That white-flashy dark mode, buggy animation when pressing Control+Tab, and two setting panels, etc. Who knows when will they fix them? Maybe never. So I will stick to my iPad/Macbook combo for now.

[@C_R_O_M________]

I'd use a wireless keyboard with the track-pad on the side for the surface pro and connect it with a wireless dongle through one of the thunderbolts. Much much cheaper, less portable yes, but not by too much.

[@karunanidhinirajkamal6379]

The keyboards seem already oil-soaked at the palm rests at an angle. Not sure how many months the materials will last, especially if you are in a tropical country with sweaty hands.

[@oledevo]

And here I am installing ancient games on my 2010 Acer 5551G dual core.

[@Debra-s3j]

Denki Awesome Video. Thanks so much enjoyed. 💯✌️

[@TheNewBloodDan]

But also rounded corner displays!

[@Ronjourelreyes]

Bro amazing quality video, so glad you're making content.

[@Indiarocky_rags-sr4ld]

Now the surface 11 will be a direct rival not only to MacBook pro, air but ipad might lose the competition

[@idontwanttochooseausername]

This has the same starting price as a iPad Pro in Europe and with windows being the os I doubt this will compete with Tablets, and costs 500€ more if you want a Oled screen which the iPad Pro already has and with the same storage options it’s 350 and 70€ more expensive for 512gb/1tb models.

[@SanderEvers]

@@idontwanttochooseausername Except the iPad is a usable device without a keyboard. A Surface is not. Windows 11 is not optimized for tablet use, at all.

[@VicharB]

In the meantime I am looking forward to 13-14" ThinkPads and EliteBooks with AMD Zen 6 with better battery life, till then I'll stick with my 7840U/32GB with 2TB Samsung 990 Pro. I hope with Zen 6 we will get 70-100 TOPS on NPU and then I can use AI locally on the device, w/o cloud = privacy invasion, as per my opinion. As per AI today, I'll use it under my tertiary account, so everything is not under one roof, be it Microsoft/Google/Apple.

[@vintage_15]

and finally, that weird design at the back where it is thicker is gone, one of the best looking windows laptop because of that imo

[@mdzaid5925]

350$ for a keyboard, at the same time you can get a very decent chromebook for the same price.

[@Space97.]

Yeah but I do love that you have to ability to use all of their old keyboard covers

[@jasonmelo9379]

He said he would give us pricing and doesn't mention the price of the OLED

[@tomk8711]

As a MS employee thanks

[@keng8883]

$999 for the LCD version, add another $500 for the Oled screen. Yikes!

[@DrPhoenix75]

the $ 500 is for OLED + X ELITE As the LCD ones ship with the XPLUS

[@Nicholas-lf4wh]

Microsoft banned a xbox user for recording a baulders gate scene using built in xbox recorder. He never shared it with anyone but Microsoft apparently sees everything you say and record on there platform. They still took data of users on windows even when toggled off. Trusting Microsoft is asking for trouble

[@bestechYtBotBH]

350 dollars for a keyboard for one of these surface laptops is base iPad territory. That is definitely for shame alright. The accessories is where these companies get ya 😮

[@endymir3X]

Sounding dope so far

[@jamesherbert7943]

Then turn the recall feature off instead of moaning about a feature some people may want/use.

[@alg003]

For the price, you can get a pretty powerful laptop, a pretty powerful oled tablet, and not have to deal with Windows 11. And given Microsofts recent moves making windows as awful as possible, I'd say this is a win.

[@ilibraci]

The problem with the old windows arm devices was that the old Qualcomm SoC were so underpowered. Instead the M1 was always very powerfull do of course Roseta could emulate everything perfectly fine.

[@KimWhackyAdventure]

they wait for the perfect time to drop this when semester ended therefore people already woulda purchased their items , if they could drop better at a better time then we coulda used this product for the semester

[@obi-wankenobi5332]

this guy on hunger strike or smth

[@uptoolsYTK]

This might be the first time I considered to buy a high end PC Laptop since years. Did they fix things in the new rebuilt Windows version? Like control panel?

[@dnldnl4880]

So agree that the keyboard is same price as iPad keyboard my apple

[@tony3stark]

what is the windows 11 build number?

[@5tereo1]

is anyone else dubious about recall

[@huuishuu]

me. that really leans into the "windows is spyware" thing.

[@murogae]

Over here, it is probably a legal spyware

[@arcadeportal32]

I only have windows on my main PC, Linux on the other. Windows "opt-out" knowingly recording my screen scares me more then the Xbox One Kinect honestly. Even with the "Local Only" tag. I don't trust it esp when you can't see what it is doing. This PC is Dual Boot with Windows and Linux Mint & I am about to do the full switch.

[@89boopathy]

Its seems to be very creepy

[@Space97.]

It's ai though?

[@RobertTowell]

For some reason they chose you have to go with Black to get the 32 Gb RAM and 1 Tb version. Black is the least appealing of all colors. Will we find out if they are going to fix this? If you buy an elite laptop for such a high price being limited to a finger print collecting case ruins it.

[@MarioDarnadi]

It's the most sold version

[@RobertTowell]

@@MarioDarnadi We find the black devices show all our finger prints. Any time we have a snack we needs wipes to clean the devices.

[@KopiGu]

in fact it's made like Iron Man's PC with the Jarvis artificial intelligence integrated into the computer, it's impressive 😅😅😅😅😀😀😀😀😀😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄

[@kamruzzamanuzzal3764]

so it will save all the snapshots on device.... which means it's gonna get filled up pretty quick?

[@0xKazuto]

I really appreciate 16gb on the base model. Then again, it is a windows platform. IF they fixed the Modern Standby, i will sell my macbook, iPad and immediately switch to Surface Pro

[@mmjm8003]

Time to learn Linux I guess.

[@chariftredano144]

where is spiderman bro ? :D

[@matnojje]

256 gb is not much for storage.

[@BriefNerdOriginal]

No worries, Microsoft will save everything on their remote servers. Convenient, right?! 😂

[@tycooperaow]

I mean most people rather be in favor of cloud storage vs on device storage

[@idontwanttochooseausername]

@@tycooperaow I have never met a single person that would rather have some files on a slow cloud than on on-device storage.

[@ericwolford5685]

At least you can upgrade the SSD.

[@idontwanttochooseausername]

@@ericwolford5685 Is that really sure?

[@FirstandLast.]

Disabling Recall if i get one of these

[@jakez6851]

Recall = Switch to Linux or another OS. Microsoft we ain’t interested in your nonsense.

[@kingofstrike1234]

recall is justifying MS to SPY on YOU

[@tellus.aflame]

Jesus Christ please fix audio levels

[@The-macman]

I'm still waiting for windows to stop bluescreening, then restarting, then bluescreening again, yes I have tried putting a fresh ISO on it but it still won't boot, microsoft has fixed nothing, all they've done is make a 13 billion dollar shell on chatgpt and charged me 150 dollars for spyware i mean windows

[@mikksaia8373]

1:08 WHO DOES THAT

[@richi2870]

I am so happy to see a golden laptop for windows, i loved the macbook M1 with the golden colour and now i can get it with windows 🤤

[@johnwelk3842]

What about the surface go? Are there plans for a new 2024 model?

[@tuqe]

iPad vs keyboard for your laptop, same price

[@JimParshall]

Trivial nitpick the blinking lights on your mic hurt the presentation. This is my opinion maybe it is a bad opinion but previously I didn't notice blinking lights now I did and they are distracting me from what you're saying . Other than that awesome presentation as usual I expect nothing less from you are always very professional understandable and quality

[@tbud3734]

Isheeps must be burning inside looking at RAM size. However i believe all these arm crap will fail big time, the prices are too high starting with apple. Innovation not accessible to mass will not be a success in long run.

[@reianae.smiley8573]

Am I the only one here who’s excited for the new Surface Pro? ‘Cause there’s a lot of saltiness going on!

[@lorenzopesci3350]

No fanless design?

[@randy89555]

No one cares. But I prefer a laptop with a fan they won't throttle in important moment

[@violinsontheblock]

I don't understand why north americans tend to think x86 to ARM translation is hard i could do it myself you just need a powerfull chip to do so, windows has been so for years, i mean come on the ship they were using was just a phone soc slightly higher clocked how can i expect good result from that ?????????????????????????

[@andrerodrigues1886]

need a magic keyboard like for pro…

[@mafiamtg]

Sniff sniff, yeah it smell like a sponsor, like.... "yeah fuck privacy" "they fixed...." "they fixed how to stole ur data without reducing your performance, and without having to pay for expensive servers running copilot, now you my little customer, runs copilot, and just send ur data to me, it sounds like something bad, but hey you can search the last sxcam u had with ur girlfriend... or boyfriend... or your uncl.... , OR HEEEEEEEEEYYY if you don't have money you can only search in the timeline your parents credit card, so yei why not, it sounds bad but not that bad"

[@la10sooony]

Does it have 5g connectivity?

[@SoundJudgment]

5G is an option. Yes.

[@raxlyy6416]

Can they outsmart rtx series laptops?

[@gamelauncher9821]

Why remove the Intel chips for a Qualcomm 🤨honestly I was looking for the ultra Intel chip as well as the Nvidia 4000 series. It’s still expensive or even more. They still prioritize the features on the surface pro rather than the laptop no OLED for the laptop FYI.

[@idontwanttochooseausername]

Arm chips are much more efficient, so they are much better for mobile use.

[@AleCardenasRealtor]

Are you the guy from dave2d´s youtube channel?

[@yannpoco]

Intel is shaking. 😂

[@Kalimatullah_Yoh1-1.14]

snapdragon chip....hmmmmmm are applications optimised with this chip?

[@prntm926]

But its “microsoft”, fck em.

[@Dave102693]

Can you game on it?

[@DNKI]

I'm curious to try out games both in x86 emulation and hopefully native as well. Asked about it and with the caveat that it's obviously not gaming hardware, I'm told it *could* be surprisingly decent for the odd gaming session here and there