British Guys Watch The History Of The Seattle Mariners (The Seattle Mariners enter the great beyond)

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[@ghostnight845]

"Imagine throwing perfect game and still losing" you should definitely watch their video on Dave Stieb next.

[@kevinmassey1164]

I’ll second that…I remembered him well, as a fan of a divisional rival. Their series on him was enlightening

[@psymar]

Also look up Harvey Haddix.

[@knightxd4]

Good recall. Perfect for 12 innings and lost on an error in the 13th. Brutal.

[@Leafsdude]

Came here to say this. Suggested it in episode 1. Really think they'd get a kick out of it.

[@hjermsted22]

I recently watched the Dave Steib story and agree… you dudes will love it

[@armychowmein8021]

I love how this was posted right as the M's play the Stros with their playoff hopes for 24 on the line.

[@swirvinbirds1971]

And just like the Mariners... It's going to take a miracle.

[@eric1393]

M's just took 2 out of 3 games from the Astros. We're not dead yet! Yet... Lifetime M's fan here. Thanks for watching this series about our stupid, miserable, frustrating, unpredictable team that we can't help but love. You'd find the weather in Seattle is remarkably similar to the UK's weather. Lots and lots of grey days. A slightly hotter summer, especially now, but you'd probably be right at home the other 3 seasons. You're right that a lot of fans love the double. I sure do, since Edgar is my favorite player. We're also exhausted of that being one of the few highlights we can look back for the last 30 years. Definitely take a glance of how the Mariners clinched the wild card in '22, since they did it in perfectly Mariners fashion. That postseason was very Mariners, as have been the next two seasons after that. Breaking the postseason drought, then immediately back into struggle and disappointment. We'll see if a miracle happens over the next week.

[@BlueSunHiredGun]

Auspicious timing dropping this one just as the flaming wreckage of our season hits the ground. I was there from a bit before this episode’s time frame, but for all intents and purposes, the entirety of this episode’s content is my fandom in a nutshell. They keep disappointing me in new and more unlikely ways, it’s almost impressive 😂

[@andrewpiro9072]

Yeah, that's the thing. It's ALWAYS different. One year you think they're definitely out of contention and they sign Robinson Cano out of nowhere. Another year you think they're looking good in spring training and they become the first $100million team to lose 100 games. Another year they trade away everyone they can to start a full-on rebuild with absolutely no expectations for the season and they start it 13-2. This year they had a 10-game division lead in the middle of summer and blew it (though it was always fool's gold given the state of the Astros pitching staff).

[@KalenDrinksH2O]

Jsyk, they now have the History of the Atlanta Falcons and Minnesota Vikings which are pretty similar in quality, as well as the story of Dave Steib. Jon and Alex never stop making classics ‼️

[@nicolasbooth3363]

Fighting in the Age of Lonliness is my favorite, if you are interested in MMA at all. The Men You Pay to be in Shorts is not a series, but a great documentary about the 2011-2012 Bobcats, the very worst NBA team of all time, which is my other favorite that I have watched multiple times.

[@philipkelly7369]

I love, TRULY love, many Secret Base and Jon Bois videos. But none of them have a better ending than the story of the Mariners. "I've selected Mariners because of the natural association between the sea and Seattle and her people, who have been challenged and rewarded by it." So beautiful. So profound, so fitting, so poetic. So perfect.

[@coburnboeder2320]

This ep of the series brings tears to my eyes

[@gintokiftw5152]

Really hope ya’ll will do this with their similar Falcons and/or Vikings ones too!

[@sambarbo2699]

Pedro Martinez took a perfect game into extra innings and lost it on a lead off double in the 10th. Also, a pitcher by the name of Harvey Haddix in 1959 was perfect through 12 innings before losing it from an error by the 3rd baseman in the 13th inning. Neither of these performances count towards perfect games.

[@psymar]

Pedro's team at least won the game. Haddix lost the game on a walkoff

[@RobertJW]

Should've nicknamed him "Harvey 'Heartbreak' Haddix".

[@FloSchmdt14]

This is almost as important as Pedro’s perfecto, but I once took a perfect game into the 10th on MLB the show and lost it on a double with 1 out that drove in the ghost runner and ended up being the winning hit

[@KG1995.]

For the Hall of Fame caps it used to the players themselves choose which team they want or if they played for multiple teams and did not want to represent a team they can choose to have a blank cap. I believe they changed where the hall of fame works with the players going in to determine which team that player had the greatest impact on.

[@NickKaminski1980]

Many "favorite " moments as a Mariner fan. Watching Jr.'s consecutive game home run tying record on T.V. as a brand new Mariner fan from the Midwest. Watching Chris Bossio get hurt in a brawl the day he came back from the injured list. Listening to Edgar's winning double on the radio. Listening to Niehaus' broadcast every summer day. NOT Bobby Ayala. Being in the Kingdome watching Johnson make a run at a single game strikeout record, pitch a complete game, and lose...and see the longest home run I've ever witnessed off the bat of Mark McGuire. Watching A-Rod turn a double play without even coming close to stepping.on second base. Watching A-Rod come up to bat his first time back in Seattle as Monopoly money rains down from the stands. Watching John Marzano fight Paul O'Neil, and subsequently, hearing fans boo O'Neil every time the Yankees came to town. Being at the last game in the Kingdome Being at the first game at Safeco. Getting slapped in the face by reliever Frankie Rodriguez's glove while he was trying to shag fly balls in batting practice. 2001. Mike Cameron's four homer game (going back to back twice with Boone) and very nearly getting a fifth. The commercials! Watching the Mariners win at Fenway in 2000. Watching the Cubs beat the Mariners at Wrigley (my home ballpark) in 2007, with Pinella managing. Watching Ichiro break the single season hit record, from an Olympia bar. Watching Griffey one last time as a Mariner and Johnson pitch his last game in Seattle as a Giant. Sitting in the King's Court multiple times (and almost receiving the turkey leg). Seeing my all-time favorite ballplayer, Edgar Martinez, become a Hall of Famer. Lou Pinella as a whole. But my absolute favorite moment is one day game the summer of 1997, sitting in the outfield in the Kingdome watching Lou Pinella. I was looking directly into the dugout, watching Lou sit in his customary spot in the far corner. He was constantly kicking his legs, and then I noticed he stopped as soon as the pitcher threw the ball. He started again as soon as the catcher caught it. Did that the entire game. Never saw that before then. Didn't see it when he managed the Cubs later on.

[@Jarl_Throthgar]

I'm pretty sure Roger Szmodis was just Posiedon himself at this point

[@rockinmel1]

M's fan since I moved to Seattle in the late '80s, and I watched this series when it came out (essentially a gift during Covid lockdown) but it's been so fun re-experiencing it with you. One factor not mentioned here: in that 2014 season when the M's finished just one game out, the team a couple of times held Felix back for an extra "rest day" that would, um, coincidentally move his start to a Friday or Saturday. Staying in rotation and starting one more game might have been the difference that year, but it really appeared that the team was more concerned with bumping attendance. More effects of the Howard Lincoln era.

[@Soundersandusmnt]

you should react to the mariners clinching their first playoff appearance in 21 years next!!

[@bleachedbrother]

I agree that having an announcer for each MLB team is special. As a kid growing up in the 70's and 80's, I have fond memories of watching my Yankees on WPIX Channel 11 and hearing Phil Rizzuto, Frank Messer, and Bill White call the games. The games and their voices become one identity and that becomes part of the soundtrack of my youth. I get emotional when I watch old games on KZbin and hear their voices. The home run calls, the funny personal stories...make me smile.😅

[@chrisb.8758]

Game score is not a stat that’s seriously used for any baseball analysis. It’s more of just an interesting stat to sum up how impressive a pitcher’s stat line for a particular game was, in a single number. It’s good for things like this video, it’s not being used by anyone in the front office of a baseball team.

[@Vivieldi]

The cherry picking part of how game score was used here is that most pitchers taken out after 5 and 1/3rd inning are not having a great game. Anyone having a dominant performance is likely to keep pitching. Though as they say who cares.

[@GordotheGamer]

I remember those 2016 rangers. One of their starters had two of the weirdest stats: A.J. Griffin had a terrible era of 5.07 but had a 7-5 record that year, that season made zero sense. He would give up like 4 runs but the rangers would score a massive amount when Griffin was on the mound. Edit: All major teams in America has their own announcers for radio, and other than the NFL, they also all have their own duo to be announcers on TV.

[@sk33t_38]

you guys watched this at the perfect time because the Mariners just ended their season after having the best rotation the franchise has ever had lol super on brand

[@benrose3753]

Check out History of the Atlanta Falcons next

[@writingalias4401]

There's a song by a Seattle Rapper named Macklemore called "My Oh My". It's a song that's basically just about the 95-97 mariners. Enjoy! A reaction would be awesome, but make sure you listen to it either way. It makes me cry sometimes. :D

[@jzko3116]

Celebrating about seeing the padres on a list, despite the fact it was the list of teams that have scored the fewest runs in a season in mlb history, is really hilarious for some reason.

[@dk240996]

Other than the Dave Stieb series which you definitely should check out next, Jon and Secret Base have plenty more baseball videos to tickle your fancy, for instance "How to score 10 runs in the first inning and lose" is brilliant.

[@TheLetsPlayBaseballCurse]

Two things I wanted to share: 1. I'm so glad you guys enjoyed this. The crew at Secret Base (and Jon in particular) do amazing work as you can see and have already seen, and I hope you guys watch more! Their series' on the Vikings, Falcons, and Dave Stieb are really good if you're looking for a series, and their video on the Micheal Jordan Bobcats team is a good (long) movie too. 2. Can't exactly pitch a perfect game and lose, but one can be taken to extras, or a no-hittee can be thrown and lost. Both have happened before

[@andrewpiro9072]

Continuing the Mariner's weirdness; they finally made it back to the postseason in 2022, after two decades. They swept the Blue Jays in a best-two-of-three series in Toronto, then faced the Astros in the ALDS. The first two games were one-run and two-run losses in Houston . Game three was the first postseason MLB game in Seattle since before the iPod was released. It went scoreless into the 18th inning, when after over six hours of gameplay the Astros scored a run and the M's couldn't answer. The Astros swept the Mariners by out-scoring us by four runs over 36 innings.

[@armychowmein8021]

in 2019 the Mariners were not considered to have good playoff odds. So Dipoto (the President of Baseball Operations) used the season to "rebuild". Part of this was sending away veteran arms that were "expensive" and rotating through a billion arms from their farm teams and from waiver claims. Also, many of the guys they overworked in this season likewise got hurt, thereby requiring the M's to use even more pitchers. There were guys with less than 3 total innings pitched for the Ms. Likewise, there was at least 1x where a pitcher was called up or claimed and failed to make an appearance due to getting hurt prior. 2019 was comically dysfunctional

[@EldritchAugur]

These same guys also did a series on Blue Jays pitcher Dave Steib that is very similar to this one. Another excellent series that is worth checking out.

[@DuYarvish]

Been looking forward to this all day! That scenario that you threw out about throwing a perfect game and losing actually did happen to Rich Hill a few years ago. He threw 9 perfect innings, but after 9 innings, the score was still 0-0. He went back out for the 10th and gave up a walk-off home run. It does not officially count as a perfect game

[@anthonyallegra5771]

close, error in the 9th. but still had the No Hitter going.

[@curtisbme]

Love that you guys are watching this. It is spot on for Seattle fans and how we felt when the stars left. Not mad, just appreciative of the time they spent here. Arod was the only one I recall that we really didn't like. Was young, cocky and arrogant and nothing like Griffey. Was known in around the seattle club scene of being an bit of an asshole back then. When he left for bs deal we were more like 'don't let the door hit you on the way out' vs other players. Ichiro was a sad loss but we got it. Go get paid as much as you can for the remaining years and maybe get a ring you won't get in Seattle, you earned it. I was lucky enough to catch one of his home runs in 2011 so I think about him every day as I have the ball on my desk in a display case.

[@taegenbrown2894]

These 6 videos are now in my top 3 greatest DN Reacts anything 1 Ted lasso 2 history of the Seattle Mariners 3 Nick buffalo Bill's franchise live streams Great Job guys, been a great 6 week and every Wednesday I've been looking forward to it, I'm rooting for the Padres and Seattle now that Oakland has been eliminated

[@recoveringdaydreamer]

Bill James, the person who came up with the ‘Game Score’ stat, was the father of sabermetrics in baseball (otherwise known as ‘advanced baseball stats’). It took time for the value of his contributions to be recognized, but once that happened, it kickstarted a revolution in the way baseball strategy is thought about, and even the way the game itself is played. Without Bill James and his contemporaries, we wouldn’t have gotten to WAR, or launch angle, or spin rate, or anything else that we consider to be new age. So yeah, Game Score is a legit stat to measure Felix.

[@aTofuJunkie]

Next Year 2025 is Ichiro Suzuki's 1st Year of Hall of Fame Eligibility. 2027 is Felix Hernandez's 1st year of Eligibility.

[@TheLastMetroid50]

King Felix's first year is also next year, not 2027

[@egadgo]

When Jim “Catfish” Hunter was elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame, he had a very hard time choosing between a New York Yankees hat and an Oakland Athletics hat. He ultimately chose his plaque to have a hat with no logo.

[@nicolasbooth3363]

I was at the game when Felix hit that grand slam, I am a Mets fan and was crushed because I was expecting a pitchers duel between him and Santana, the Mets pitcher who was also fantastic. Felix also got injured and came out of the game early! I was 11 years old and it was my second Mets game ever, cool to be there for history now, but it sure didn't feel like that at the time haha.

[@davidpost428]

So glad that you've now had the experience of this terrific series and have a heafrt for the Mariners, a very interesting club. Our travails continue with the best pitching staff in the team's history undernined by a lack of hitting and an attack on MLB's strikeout record for a season.

[@everypitchcounts4875]

The Battered Bastards of Baseball is a must watch

[@qriusjorj38]

Great reaction and dedication to such a long, but entertaining, series. Cheers!

[@LoLotov]

I don't think there's ever been a perfect game version, but another very rare pitching feat (that the mariners also accomplished in the time frame of this video) is the COMBINED no hitter. That's where after the starter has to come out despite throwing a no hitter, the bullpen then finish out the game without giving up a hit themselves. This theoretically could be done in a game where the starter was perfect, then the bullpen was perfect as well, but I'm pretty sure that just a combined no-no is already even more rare than a perfect game. The one the mariners threw was by an old journeyman workhorse called Kevin Millwood, no hits through 5 and a third, easily his best start of the season. Threw his elbow out on his last batter, was injured for weeks. The bullpen picked him up where he fell, and five more pitchers through the end of the game didn't give up a hit. It was a really special game, yet enother mariners moment that was like the ending of a movie.

[@psymar]

Once again here to comment that tiny Hereford FC, in the National League North, do have their own team announcer, on their own team radio station, Radio Hereford FC, which you can hear live on their website from anywhere in the world -- which is a big reason why I've continued to follow them despite living in the US.

[@grimmturd]

I lived in a suburb outside Seattle from '94 to '96, but wasn't paying attention to baseball at the time. I was told by many people there that the climate west of the Cascade Mountains, the Pacific Northwest area in general, is basically the same as that of Britain. I heard those are the only 2 areas in the world with that unique, year-round climate. Not sure if that is actually is true, but it seems fitting that the 2 of you are reacting to this series.

[@psymar]

at 34:00 it's important to note there aren't 2 outs. The batter is *supposed* to be out, he's just supposed to delay being out long enough to let Ichiro score.

[@TheParrotEnthusiast]

A perfect game can be accomplished by one or multiple pitchers regardless if the game goes into extra innings as long as they don't give up a hit, walk, etc. Perfect games are so unbelievably rare - in the 155 year history of MLB, only 24 have been thrown (about one per decade). In fact, it would be 11 years after Felix's perfect game before Domingo German would accomplish this in 2023. Mariners are still technically in the playoff hunt and just beat the Astros today...🤞

[@IsYouAWizard]

Game Score is pretty good at telling you how dominant a pitcher was in a sinle game, but that's about it. It's very simplistic and doesn't provide much information, and isn't predictive. It has a use, but you'll really only ever see it mentioned when somebody has a really dominant game, usually a complete game with a lot of strikeouts.

[@soultrax101]

There are a few different videos that I could recommend about the perfect game beyond the 9th inning question. The one that comes to mind at the moment is a Foolish Baseball about the saddest no hitters. There might be a Secret Base video about it as well (along with the Dave Stieb series that would be a good follow-up to this series.) Long story short, the MLB had to formalize the rules a few decades ago and (among other things) decided that if you go beyond the 9th inning with a perfect game and blow it in extra innings, it doesn't count. Also, the Dorktown and Foolish Baseball videos on Rickey Henderson should both be added to the list, as well as the other Dorktown series'.

[@kevinmassey1164]

Their series on the Vikings is fantastic

[@qriusjorj38]

I would love to see Secret Base do a series on Minnesota sports, in general. Of the 4 major sports, the only titles we have, that still exist, are two World Series Championships, one of which many consider the best Series of all time. Decades of almost, but not quite. Our only bright spot are the Minnesota Lynx, with 4 titles.

[@KevinQuinn81]

Prior to 2001, it was the sole choice of the player as to which cap their Hall of Fame plaque had. Since then, the Hall itself has the final choice but only after thorough research and consultation with the player. Sometimes, they will put someone in with no logo on the cap if they are well associated with multiple teams.

[@patrickstasyszyn291]

You guys need to watch their series on Dave Stieb, a pitcher for the Toronto Blue Jays which was the other expansion team along with Seattle in 77. He probably had the unluckiest and most underrated career in sports.

[@everypitchcounts4875]

Josh Harrison hit a walk-off homerun to lead off in the 10th inning ending Rich Hill's No-hitter.

[@philipcross6733]

Too be fair. The Mets taking and paying the Cano contract was part of what the Mets gave up to acquire one of the best closers in baseball from the Mariners. Still a terrible trade and Brodie didn’t last long. But some context for it. Also y’all need to watch the Dave Steib story they do. It’s so good

[@BeefPapa]

Indeed, Diaz was the hook that made the deal palatable.

[@TheCpadron19]

32:21 Those four runs were also the only runs the Mariners scored that entire game. The Mariners won 4-2, and Felix came out of the game early because he got injured covering home plate.

[@chrisb.8758]

Re: Hall of fame hats, it’s technically up to the hall of fame but they basically always do what the player wants. Some players have chosen neutral hats. Mike Mussina split his career very evenly between the Yankees and Orioles and didn’t want to choose.

[@FuckYoutubeAndGoogle]

Mussina still should've chosen the Orioles, although I do get why he didn't. If he had, they would've retired his number and built him a statue.

[@taegenbrown2894]

Great video series 👍 loved every video

[@DNReacts]

Appreciate it 🙏🏼

[@Avocado11]

Marniers were my 2nd favorite team growing up, primarily do to Griffey (had a framed poster on my wall). Stopped following them after Randy and Griffey left.

[@maxterbait4438]

“Close to a heart attack” describes every padres fan over 30

[@Raudoc2k1]

The Mariners have been my team since the beginning. Being born in Seattle its only natural. I was fortunate to get to watch that '95 season unfold. That group became to be known as the "'95 Dream Team". Though I have not been closely following MLB as of late I will continue to root for the M's. Yes I would love to see them make it to the World Series (and win), even if they never do it doesn't matter. It's not about rooting for the underdogs for me. Its about rooting for my home team. No matter if they are having a smoking hot season like in '01 or never making it above .500 and finishing dead last with the worst record in MLB history. There are so many better teams out there but I don't think there is one that can put together such a story book season like the Mariners.

[@tylerjones9309]

The amount of number pithers used has been slowly going up since expansion of games, pay, health and injury. Pitch count is part of all of that. Pitchers also decades ago didn't rest four days between starts so the number of pitchers on a roster is far higher than in was in the 1900s-1970, I think that's probably close in guessing.

[@M00159]

Hey guys! The NFL will be in London on October 6th!! Jets vs. Vikings. Are you going?? If you are, you should do a video and then show us!

[@watrandy99]

As far as the hat on the hall of fame plaque, the player himself is given the decision to choose what team uniform/hat he is depicted with. Therefore, Randy Johnson chose the Diamondbacks logo for his plaque.

[@gretchman]

Welp. Time for me to cry again.

[@deonlepharaoh]

Game score stat in basketball is a pretty good stat so I imagine it's similar in baseball. It's probably the only stat that can be used on it's own to judge a player by without any need for context....at least that's the case in basketball

[@psymar]

Regarding the more pitchers being used, I think there's one more roster spot than there used to be, but I also think teams are more likely to be hesitant to bring back an injured pitcher quickly instead of having someone else fill in.

[@tigersmurf]

A few years ago (after this video was made), the Mariners did finally end the playoff drought. They even beat Toronto in the wild card round including an incredible comeback in game 2! When they played at home in the divisional round against the Astros in game 3 of the ALDS Felix Hernandez threw out the ceremonial first pitch. And in true Mariners fashion, in honor of King Felix's legacy, they proceeded to lose 1-0 in an 18 inning game. Once again, providing King Felix with absolutely zero run support. This season will mark the 4th consecutive year the M's have played at .500 or better and that will likely include only that one playoff appearance to show for it.

[@monkeyboyjonathan42]

I recommend a couple of ESPN 30 for 30 documentaries. Catching Hell (about the 2003 Cubs) and Four Days in October (about the 2004 Red Sox. Anyway, Go Padres!

[@psymar]

You're right that run differential isn't important, but it does have predictive power. A team with a big gap between their run differential vs their win-loss record in the first half of the season, you should base your second-half expectations more on the run differential.

[@KevinQuinn81]

There are no rule limits on the maximum a pitcher can pitch (just some minimums now). The number of pitchers used increasing is solely due to teams not willing to push pitchers later into games but that is due to both trying to save arms as well as analytics saying that pitching through an order a third time is very bad. Rosters limits haven't changed too drastically over time.

[@deonlepharaoh]

The Vikings or falcons one gotta be next...

[@patrickfergusson4496]

You should react to Secret Base's deep rewinder series on the history of the Cleveland Cavaliers, "Chosen." It's not a Jon and Alex production and it's a different style, but it's every bit as good. It's producer and narrator Seth Rosenthal is excellent.

[@KevinQuinn81]

If they did another baseball one, I would vote for another team that hasn't won before like the Padres but they already did the Falcons and the Vikings for football and those were equally epic.

[@buddsmigglejibb]

The Mariners are such a weird franchise. It's fairly likely that this year's team who likely won't make the playoffs would have a better team for postseason play (elite pitching) than that juggernaut 2001 team.

[@jraymond1988]

13:45 I think that with the new rules (ghost runner on 2nd in extras) that it is much easier to throw a perfect game and lose. In fact, my MLB The Show character has already done it twice. (In the minors)

[@jraymond1988]

7:48 The 2024 Chicago White Sox just beat that total with 507 runs scored.

[@carteljameson8395]

Check out their series on Dave Stieb too.

[@psymar]

You're right about the White Sox this season, who were 24-69 on June 21 before embarking on a stretch in which they went 12-51 before finally getting a 13th win on Tuesday, September 24th (yesterday in my time zone!) I'm also shocked the Rays are on that list. The other franchises on that list are all historically pretty good with, aside from the white sox, 10+ pennants and several World Series. The Rays, on the other hand, finished last in the AL east every year for their first 10 years of existence... and have apparently been pretty good since? Huh. Shows how much my health issues have taken me out of following baseball...

[@dragonhearted3234]

You can lose a perfect game if the extra inning runner placed on second base scores, but it goes into extra innings.

[@psymar]

Yeah, under the current rules. That requires a perfect game of 10+ innings though; only 26 have even gone 9 innings, of which 24 were thereby perfect games, and 1 was Pedro's that got broken up in the 10th. Only Harvey Haddix has ever taken a perfect game through the 10th, and that was broken up in the 13th.

[@dragonhearted3234]

@psymar yeah it's crazy unlikely but knowing baseball it'll happen someday

[@markwilliamson4628]

Reds pitcher Johnny Vandermeer threw two consecutive no-hitters (but not perfect games) in 1938.

[@Pete_Finch]

Anyway surely people have recommended the history of the Atlanta Falcons by Bois and Rubenstein next

[@NatTurnerswitBurnerz]

A pitcher can't be saddled with a loss if he throws a perfect game. A perfect game means no hits, walks, hitbatsmens, or errors. 27 up, 27 down in order. If his team doesn't score, he gets a no-decision. A pitcher can throw a no-hitter and get the loss e.g. In 1990, NYY pitcher Andy Hawkins got the loss in a game @ Chicago. He threw a no-hitter through 8 innings but the Yankees lost 2-1 because of walks and errors. He pitched only 8 innings because they were on the road.

[@joshntn37111]

Seattle missed the playoffs by only ONE game ONCE again in 2024. Damn..😂😂

[@psymar]

Game Score is a pretty subjective statistic as to whether you like it or not, but it has the benefits of being simple and straightforward. There's two versions though. The original starts at 50 and adds 2 points per inning from the 5th onwards; the new version starts at 40 and adds 2 points per inning period. Both subtract two points per hit. Old version adds 1 per out plus 2 per full inning from the 5th onwards, and subtracts 1 per walk, 4 per earned run, and 2 per unearned run. New version adds 2 per out, and subtracts 2 per walk, 3 per run (earned or not), and 6 more per home run. I think I prefer the latter as it places more emphasis on keeping things under control after a fielder makes an error with 2 out: all runs scored in the inning after that are unearned, even if the pitcher subsequently allows a grand slam. The new version also gives a slightly higher score to the outing both versions recognize as the greatest pitching performance in history: May 6, 1998, Astros at Cubs, when Kerry Wood put up 9 IP, 1 hit, 0 walks, 0 runs, 20 strikeouts. 105 by the old formula and 112 by the new one. There were only one or two balls hit out of the infield that day and neither was the hit, that was an infield single by Ricky Gutierrez. Oh, and this was Wood's 5th career start.

[@aTofuJunkie]

As an Asian American, Chinese and Vietnamese Mixed. I wished there were more Chinese or Vietnamese Representation in the MLB, but none come to mind to the caliber of my 2 favorite Japanese players... Ichiro Suzuki and Tsuyoshi Shinjo. The latter being an SF Giants/ NY Mets player that was so eccentric on and off the field.

[@HaloDiv]

You guys need to check out Rain City Redemption!

[@MossFauna]

PLEASE watch their series on Dave Steib and maybe even the Vikings/Atlanta Falcons

[@Pete_Finch]

Getting awful is…awful. Just like Jr., I’m right there and everything hurts all the time

[@RobertJW]

Guys, your playlist for this series is not in order - this is the last on the list. The second last is episode 1. Please either put this first or move the rest!

[@superjonh1000]

Stark Raving Sports has a video on Griffey and Kobe called "A Contrats of Fate" where they talk about both players retirement game. Griffey in a lof of ways is comparable to Kobe in talent and charisma, although by the end of his career he was very unathletic and carefree in comparison to Kobe. Still they were very important players for their respective sport, and Griffey's last game was a very sad way to end it, no one knew he was retiring. It is very telling of how unfair baseball really is. He is arguably one of the best players of his generations and never played in a world series game. It is rare for baseball players to have a retirement run such as Derek Jeter had. Most of my baseball idols from the last few decades such as Lincecum, Prince Fielder and even Felix Hernandez retired with injuries or were sent to the minors after some bad season and never made their way back up. Hernandez still tried to make a comeback and signed with a minor league team in 2020, but because of C0vid he opted out of his contract. He was 34 back then, fairly young for ballplayer of his caliber. Baseball is probably the most difficult sport to have consistency and with the insane influx of players coming and going, it's very easy for you to retire without anyone noticing it.

[@Newbobdole]

Legally -inadmissible approaches to staying awake on long (~1,700 mile) drives: Drive at night Caffeine Roll down the windows Change lanes Hold your arm out the window Keep [adult videos] playing on your phone

[@qriusjorj38]

Sadly, there are pitchers who've had no-hitters, and I think perfect games, through nine innings but their team didn't score any runs. By definition, it's impossible to have a perfect game and lose, sorry. Hell, you can pitch a full game, not allow any hits, and not only be tagged with the loss, but not credited with a no-hitter.

[@psymar]

Perfect game doesn't count if it's broken up in extra innings amd it's happened twice. Pedro Martinez lost one on the first batter of the 10th hitting a double but a relief pitcher came in and his team won. Harvey Haddix, however, had a perfect game through 12 innings for the Pirates in 1959. The perfection bid ended on an error by the third baseman; after a sacrifice bunt by the next batter moved the runner to second he intentionally walked Hank Aaron (a reasonable choice), but the next batter hit the ball over the fence for what would have been a walk-off home run, except Aaron saw the lead runner cross the plate and, not realizing it was a home run, walked off the field after touching second, meaning the batter was then called out for passing him upon reaching third, and it goes down as an RBI double and a 1-0 loss for Haddix.

[@joshpavlik3343]

To my understanding yes indeed the perfect game would be carried over into the extra innings so it could be lost in extras. Also Trout is currently 33 and will be 34 next August

[@FizzyCape]

It does continue, and Pedro Martinez lost just perfect game in extras once

[@Center1240]

Wrong, you must pitch the whole game for it to be ‘perfect’. And if it is ‘perfect’ you can not lose the game.

[@joshpavlik3343]

@@Center1240 that literally what I said that it would be lost in extras when carried over from the first 9 innings. Secondly it could be a combined perfect it would apply the same as a combined no hitter

[@FizzyCape]

@@Center1240 you actually can lose a perfect game now with the new extra innings rule

[@Center1240]

@@FizzyCape good point, and how stupid the Manfort Man rule is!

[@rallycapandstanding]

Good thing the Mariners did make it to the playoffs in 2022 but lost to eventual WS champ Houston

[@AlecJosephson]

13:38 it wouldn’t qualify as a perfect game if you lose in extras due to a hit or walk, however I’m not sure what would would happen if the runner on second that starts there at the beginning of the inning scored the winning run

[@whypick1_]

Yep, still angry Junior wasn't a unanimous HoF selection (and instead Mariano Goddamn Rivera was the first) even though I haven't cared about baseball in ages.

[@meechriney]

You should watch the reminder for the diamondbacks World Series win in 2001.

[@omalleycaboose5937]

Dave stiebs documentary is great

[@onedaysoon5351]

A perfect game would only be perfect at the completion of the game. You can't throw a perfect game and lose because a perfect game entails no baserunners, and you need baserunners to score runs.

[@faithnfire4769]

yeah that no-hitter and still loosing... happened, poor rich hill

[@jayjayjames2332]

No, losing in a perfect game is not possible in the traditional sense (and it's not considered a perfect game just because you pitched 9 innings). You can lose a no-hitter game based on errors/walks. BUT, now that there is a runner on 2nd to start extra innings, you could lose a game in which you were perfect, as two routine outs can result in the runner scoring. So you could have a guy that pitched 10 or 9.2 perfect innings (depending on top or bottom of the inning) and lost... This is why the runner on 2nd rule is dumb (people can score at no fault of the pitching team). Do 1st base if you have to have someone on.

[@nathanboyd8453]

It has not changed it is still fuck Pay-Rod or A-Roid.

[@jimbo3]

if you lose, it wasn't a perfect game

[@jimbo3]

also i love that you guys are baseball fans now