Do 2011s work on fairy dust or what?

[@patmaloney1140]

Ben is well on his way to becoming a legendary guntube Troll. I'm happy to be experiencing this in real time.

[@Robbie6298]

“Your check is in the mail” ~Sig Sauer Corp~

[@michaelturk7237]

*"Your TQ was in the holster"

[@Robbie6298]

“Would you like to be first to try our lightweight Kevlar Sig Sauer branded foot and thigh armor”

[@Six_One_Six]

@@Robbie6298 at this point they should sell a closed bottom kevlar holster lol

[@n4d3m4n]

You're forgetting that you buy a 2011 to buy performance. you don't need to practice with it, you already bought the performance. you don't need to pull it from the holster unless you're admiring it or polishing it. it's meant to look pretty. It's performance. you've already performed by putting it in the holster. It's like wearing makeup. you don't need to prove your performance, it's just there. you bought it. no one questions it. congratulations! you must be a great shooter because it's there on your belt. *Performance*

[@dragonman96]

but the lambo never drive it type dude

[@doug9522]

The issue is the metallurgy of the extractor. After enough heat exposure and service cycles, the steel is going to fatigue, not necessarily visibly, and lose it's "springiness." That is the limitation of an extractor that is tuned by being bent into tension. Extractor systems that separate the hook and spring experience this less, but the hook shoulders and springs are still subject to mechanical wear. Work cycles be like that. My Staccato just did the same thing, the day before my state's level II match, hurt my feelings in a big way.

[@Daedalus1650]

Finally a high iq comment

[@OrionCorsari]

Finally, a BOOMING voice of reason from the wilderness.

[@chipe420]

Jesus

[@SuperTacticalcom]

yep. 1911s in general suck for this. That's why the Aftec setup is nice but they still require a bit of a break in and tuning

[@tomperez9841]

Old 1911 guys are laughing. This a common problem with 1911s. When you have a gun that shares a lot of DNA with a 1911. Your going to have 1911 problems ,in your 2011. It's the nature of the owing a 1911/ 2011. The extractor is a spring. It will eventually lose its spring tension. It will look fine when assembled. But under firing load it will slip of the case. That extractor is done. Old 1911 guys would be religious about sawping extractors and recoil springs.

[@OrionCorsari]

Yeah you’re 100% correct but…..Ben thinks all of us old guys are Fudds.

[@hectorvazquez4528]

🤣​@@OrionCorsari

[@johnm5131]

it's funny, but in the military, we had issues with the M9 all the time, and it was rarely evident what was wrong. But half the time it was the extractor, which we just replaced as part of the workflow

[@NDcompetitiveshooter]

Lesson learned. Don't let Pranka touch your Staccato ;)

[@paulherbst752]

A lot more succinct that Ben’s take! 😂

[@nimik221]

Ben: It's nonsensical the way that it behaves and I don't know what's going on. State of California: Stop attacking me.

[@mcninjatoes]

More like unicorn tears

[@just9911]

I thought it was unicorn blood? Hmmm… maybe I’m wrong and that’s why I’m having reliability issues. I wonder if a mixture of unicorn blood AND tears would be the pro-gamer move

[@StewieStew820]

I thought they ran on mag brushes

[@jearldpreacher7575]

It was the REM OIL.

[@airmann4673]

He put 25k rounds in the pistol in short period of time. Most people wont 8:21 have shot 5k rounds in a lifetime

[@Glade1321]

The issue you're having is that the Staccato runs on Christmas magic. You have to believe in it or it'll choke. Giving it to Matt was a mistake because he's a Grinch. Hope that helps.

[@hez2k]

Ben : I just wanted a punisher unicorn engraved on my pew pew. This is on you staccato. Staccato: pfft what you gonna do about it? Staccato: wait Ben, let’s not act out in anger … *Ben looks at XC* Ben : this is gonna hurt you. And yes I’ll enjoy it.

[@milspecmike8440]

I work in diagnostics for a large manufacturer, sometimes we can physically see, without ultra expensive equipment when a part comes out of spec, but many we don’t. For those, it’s diagnosis by symptom. From what you said, because of the rounds on the pistol without issue, if the chamber wasn’t filthy and casings aren’t noticeably tight in the chamber, the next I would assume would be the extractor with or without a visual cue of failure. I’m not nearly as experienced with firearm issues but short stroking or other non-extractor/chamber issues would likely produce some stove pipes or weak ejection in addition to what you had. Same holds true for the slide lock, the obvious part is probably the fix for both.

[@olivedrabperformance]

Sooooo, you can physically see…. Do explain any other way of seeing? 😂. I’m just messin with ya’…😊

[@BryanHoefer]

2011s don't run on magic dust, but historically some of the tuners do.

[@BenStoeger187]

Shout out matt Burkett

[@Steve-s7z]

At about 50K rounds my P320 X5 Legion started having stovepipes. I'd had zero stovepipes other than the 3 or 4 stovepipes in the first 200 rounds. Zero. Not being a highly trained professional world renowned shooter, my simple brain said "Hey, I bet this needs a new extractor". So I spent 20 buck and had a new one shipped to me. Installed it and moved on with my life. The End.

[@austinbuck8108]

Excited for this on my Legion.

[@leftyo9589]

i bet you didnt cry about it non stop either.

[@OrionCorsari]

“It’s my channel and I’ll cry if I want to, cry if I want to, cry if I want to. You would cry too if it happened to you.” P.S. - you have to be a really old Fudd to remember this song.

[@buscaderoticonda7270]

Hi Ben, good explanation about the frustration of diagnosing the extraction failure when the normal failure modes aren't there - totally get it. I would be interested in more detail about CZ's breaking slide stops - I've had 2 break after many thousand rounds apiece, and picked up your comment that that's a typical failure point. Thanks again.

[@nchintalapani]

The thumbnail was on point Steggler.

[@tribble1]

It was ceremonially unclean until evening after Pranka handled it.

[@machiavellireborn7541]

I wonder how 1911s with external extractors do, I know sig makes some, you should contact your new sig handler about that

[@doug9522]

Awesome

[@JohnDoe-mf5sc]

I’ve had 3 or 4 external extractors, none of them every ran right, 9mm or 45. Smith, sig, and caspian custom. All of them went black to MFG several times I have probably 9 or 10 internal guns, I’ve had 1 that had an extractor failure. Similar to what Ben is explaining. I will never own an external extractor 1911 again.

[@machiavellireborn7541]

@@JohnDoe-mf5sc Interesting, that is a bummer. Still would be good content imo

[@davefinfrock3324]

Mostly not well. SIG and the later S&Ws seem OK, but that's all third hand info. The interesting thing is FN didn't have this problem with the HiPower, but 1911s are made by everyone and his dog with a backyard machine shop. That's one of the big problems with the 1911--inconsistent manufacturing across a myriad of vendors.

[@WheelChairBlaster]

Parts wear out.. I’ve had things wear out in tools that makes no sense but when you put in a new one… hey, what do you know. It works. Don’t know why this has to be made into a mountain of wonder…

[@olavvatne7837]

Had the same issue with my Bul Armory open gun. Ended up putting in a Eemann tech competition extractor, which operates on the same prinsipal as an Aftec. This one has operated for a while now with no issues. Putting in a normal extractor is not drop in, it needs to be really adapted by a competent pistol smith who knows what they are doing. The Aftec style is normally drop in.

[@piouswhale]

My Beretta Cx-4 was same way. Shot a match and a half with extraction issues before I figured it out. The extractor had both gunk on it and the hook broke off! Somehow it would still extract 75% of the time

[@citizenresponse]

Good data point to know everyone shooting staccato should just replace the extractor every 15-20k rounds

[@PandemicGameplay]

that's pretty standard on all 1911s, usually before that

[@zact9941]

I was shooting a club match recently and heard a guy say: “I’m never violating the warranty on my STI guns again”….. and then he went on to explain how he replaced almost every single part in the gun to get it extracting again. You are not alone Ben!

[@cnclife2739]

Love my Glock!! Easy to figure out what's wrong and why!

[@madisonberg627]

It’s easy for me to tell when people don’t train a lot with their CZ Shadow because they usually have the “pretty” stock grips. And now with 2011s I can usually tell they don’t train a lot when they say “IVE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES EVER!”

[@practicepractice5719]

This comment is spot on!!!!!!

[@MickNelson-fb2qk]

yep, 2011s need a constant cleaning and assessment during hard use......I keep spare parts for everything

[@Osprey1994]

I guess? My old manager who was also an instructor, shoots more than most people, and he doesn't have problems with his 1911/2011's. He shoots both Glock and 1911/2011's almost exclusively, and he would always go down to bullets and shoot at least 100-200rds per day just to keep himself sharp, and that's not even factoring in the students he had coming through for private lessons, and the formal classes he has each month, or the competitions he goes to. Dude would have 1000rds through a gun in less than a week easily. I mention this because it's a preface to my idea that Staccato is having problems. They had an issue with the P and then they are having an issue with the XC... I'll be curious to see what the heck was causing the extraction issue.

[@PnP-td1mt]

I shoot 2011’s/1911 DS pistols exclusively. I find my self f$&king with them in some manner constantly.. my little project LO pistol flat out won’t eject certain cheap ammo.. leaves the cases in the chamber as Ben’s XC does.. runs my competition Supervel and badlands 147’s all day long. Same with 124g PMC… Put a red dirt trigger in my heritage P19.. had it go rapid fire on me yesterday due to the over travel screw coming loose 😂

[@hrnfw4818]

@@practicepractice5719 LOK GRIPS RULE

[@Dilemma6796]

I wonder if the supplier for the XC extractor was the same as for the slide release in the P. In any case, I get Ben's dissapointment in the difficulty of identifying the problem with the gun and the part(especially with a range full of Staccato knowledgable shooters). This leads to a general inabilty to reasonably predict when and why a part fails. Predictability is a big part of reliability. The internet is full of "1911 extractor random change at 'x' " mantras that generally don't have an evidence based reason. Staccato themselves don't publish a maintenance interval for the extractor (at least not on the website- I did not get an owner's manual with mine). Maybe a Weigand gauge (measures extractor tension) would help (testing to see if the part is losing / has lost / isn't holding tension), but that is a pita amd still just spitballing.

[@BenStoeger187]

You understand precisely the frustration.

[@leftyo9589]

learning curves tend to come with some levels of frustration.

[@claybee12]

My XC has broken 2 extractors. Staccato wouldn’t send me a replacement. Dawson Precision Has them and I keep back ups. 20K mix of duty and practice ammo.

[@TheStapler9000]

I just started down the 1911/2011 path. Its been a rocky start, to say the least.

[@mrgoodkat8567]

The slide stop issue is think is the random “wtf” moment. Probably a bad batch of parts as you mentioned before. Shit happens. The extractor, id almost put money on it that if you shoot that xc the same way you were shooting it with the oem extractor, itll shit the bed in 25k rounds again. Its just kinda the service life of that part. Its just that you are shooting at such a high round count and time level, that a gun such as a 1911/2011 that for the most part has much shorter service lives for high wear parts, you are going to see this type of shit way more frequently that the average “high volume” shooter or even a normie like me. Hilton Yam has said before that his 1911s that were meant for a specific role, he always kept two of the same gun because one would almost always be down for parts or major service

[@rustyreckman2892]

I didn’t understand before but not it makes perfect sense. The 1000 rounds to turn your gun was pretty eye opening.

[@colostomybag9367]

"Over the counter ammo" 😂 As opposed to your prescription stuff😂

[@dar5647]

A lot of comp guys buy some specific ammo to run really soft or hand load their own. hes just stating it wasnt anything out of the ordinary.

[@BTX406]

Thanks Ben I get it. Extractors are definitely the mystery 1911/2011 part with the damn fitting and tensioning. I figure Staccato is eventually going to go to externals on all models to end that. FWIW, I wouldn’t have changed any recoil springs or fooled around with that stuff. If the gun doesn’t EXTRACT you fix the EXTRACTOR. End of fix. Curious to see what Staccato says about your extractor and forgot about the slide stop. ETA I bet they just say chunk both used/put in new/drive on.

[@OrionCorsari]

I hope he’s listening to this very sound advice. Failure to extract - clean and then replace the fooking extractor!

[@BenStoeger187]

For what it’s worth I wouldn’t bother changing recoil springs either. I let the certified staccato armorers go through the process they were taught by staccato. I thought that would be good fun.

[@BTX406]

@@BenStoeger187 I just dont get that, maybe they will fill in that blank. I figured the hotter ammo expanded more against the chamber walls than lower pressure rounds and the already worn extractor couldn’t hold on enough to pull it.

[@OrionCorsari]

@@BenStoeger187 Like you said in this video Ben, the armorers course is bullshit. Their inept attempt at a very simple repair only confirms what you said.

[@practicepractice5719]

2011’s doing 2011 things……😊

[@Qpoueoor]

I’ve wanted a 2011 for a while now. I’m pretty used to a low maintenance gun so I’m holding off for now.

[@the4x4pig]

The issue is not the staccato. The issue is your knowledge of the 19/2011 platform. It’s not acting nonsensical it is doing exactly what they do, you are just not familiar with it. The extractor has always been an issue. They either break the hook eventually or lose tension. You’ll figure out a regular maintenance schedule or you’ll get sick of it and shoot something else. It’s all good either way.

[@run_N_DoubleB_gun_N]

Came for the comments! You put 19,000 rounds thru a gun, you have to expect some wear. The tolerances on them are a lot tighter than a Glock, CZ, Smith, etc... If I was going to war, I would want a CZ or Glock! But then again, how many soldiers even carry a sidearm, Socom, maybe? Plus this gun has a hidden feature. You drop it, and it fires automatically. Not in the holster like the 320, that would be patent infringement!

[@DanDannyDanielleBob]

Reminds me of when I first started driving my GTI. Great car for what it is, then slams me into limp mode. Go to 2 different dealers on 3 different occasions. They ended up replacing 3/4 coil packs and wires. All parts checked out fine but didn't want to work together. After that frustration, no answer on why but went on to 10 years of issue free driving. There is something about trying to get a little extra out of a platform that I am too dumb to understand.

[@travispowell2471]

So a few years ago at our club several guys got into STIs for Limited maj. And boy were they having a lot of problems. All of them had Cracked slides and other metallurgy related breakages. One guy had 3 of the same pistol (15 k worth) because he had 1-2 of them being repaired continuously. Always took forever to get them back. So my question is. Is Staccato the same ownership and manufacturing as STI was? Or is it an all new company with new tooling, manufacturing, engineering? Or was this just a rebrand and push towards 9mm pistols with hopes of better longevity?

[@Mrjohnnymoo1]

I was trying to say this last time, and it got wrote off, I’ve had it happen before. The vast majority of companies are using materials that gets inconsistent tension when it wears. It isn’t like there is just one company making those parts either. I had one of the old spring steel extractors, and you couldn’t just bend it for tension because it would just bend right back to where you had it. Almost all the new ones you just bend them. It basically is fairy dust

[@stevailo]

Love my 2011 but I agree. Not being able to tell if the extractor is perfect or completely fucked is frustrating and probably the single biggest drawback of this type of gun

[@croe4525]

So a design that’s at least 113 years old is a bit more finicky than guns made recently. Who would have thunk it. Since the extractor is the spring as well as the claw, I would bet it is more tolerance sensitive. If I could afford 30k in ammo, I’m pretty sure I could afford a thirty dollar part once in a while. This is like complaining that the tires on your Ferrari wore out faster than the tires on your Prius.

[@onpsxmember]

When you talk about Glocks and your high round counts, what breaks and needs replacement on them and at roughly what round count? Do you see cracks more on Gen 3/4 or 5 after what round count? If you still have that extractor, have someone check it out under more magnification. There may be small fractures at the hook that the naked eye can't see. Stay on it why it happened.

[@Longshot762x51]

Seems like more issues than you should have after paying 4k for a handgun.

[@19Clutch69]

Its a mechanical device.. he shoots more than he norm

[@blacktreasuremaster]

This is really concerning for all the LEOs switching to staccato.

[@halbritt]

LEOs don't shoot that much.

[@packerjansen12]

@@halbritt Lol its really not. The only cops that are putting more than 5,000 rounds through their duty Staccatos will already have the knowledge about the kind of finicky maintenance that they require. The ones that only shoot during qualifications and mandatory trainings and shooting a couple hundred a year (if that) will never have these kind of issues.

[@halbritt]

@@packerjansen12 that was my point.

[@kodiak7964]

@@packerjansen12 still overpriced for no reason lol

[@dariuswilliams7509]

Maybe guys like milspec mojo but most LEOs dont shoot😂

[@laskalives]

Staccato is going to come back and say the failures are due to RemOil.

[@rannot4611]

Good info. Looks like stuccato has a metal comp issue, get in under xray. This usually happens when designs are not fully tested.

[@packerjansen12]

Personally, I am not all that surprised that after 25,000 rounds, the extractor was worn out. Its prolly why Staccato is moving towards an external extractor with the new C line, I wouldn't be surprised in the next year or so they phase out the internal extractor design for their line of pistols.

[@AlexS-zr2nb]

Man a 5"/4.5" with the 17rd grip external extractor C line staccato would be nice

[@robertwatson818]

My Glock extractor has AT LEAST 200,000 rounds through it.

[@packerjansen12]

@@robertwatson818 That's awesome to hear, we all knew that Glocks are not the same as 2011s. Glocks are robust and most certainly have their advantages.

[@dar5647]

​@@robertwatson818 glock is the only pistol brand where i can hear a claim like this and think its true lmao. People hate em for some good reasons but anyone who is really in the know is a glock fanboy.

[@ethanaldridge1639]

After every one of your videos, KZbin recommends that I watch your video, "Do you regret the Staccato XC?" Is the KZbin algorithm trying to tell us something?

[@bcjaliu]

Either Pranka limp wrist-ed it..or …his toxic thoughts of hate and disdain hurt its feelings and made it fold like a cheap suit.

[@Daedalus1650]

Obviously all you need to run your staccato is a full CNC mill and a universal constructor

[@Osprey1994]

1911's are weird for sure. I ended up having to bring mine to a gunsmith, and he figured it out in a matter of seconds...not being able to figure stuff out on my own has made me hesitant to rely on the gun for competition. If it chokes again, I'll likely relegate it to a fun gun, or I'll just have it fixed and then sell it.

[@James_the_not_so_magnificent]

By fairy dust, do you mean Cccocaine? Yeayah!!! Fairy dust. 😂 That's so Metal. Dr. Rockso approves.

[@trailblazingfive]

So if the part looks same - extractor; but doesn't work and a new one works wouldn't that mean that it got damaged due to fatigue? I mean you cycle a piece of metal N thousands of times and it stops behaving as expected that's text book fatigue.

[@partyboy3d]

Unrelated to this case but an example of can’t figure WTF is going wrong, i had a similar issue short after replacing CZ extractor & spring. Thought i got a bad replacement but after replacing it again and new oem spring plus a bunch of amo found it a had a case of a bad batch of ammo, the cases were out of spec. The gun ran with any other ammo. Had this happen twice in two years with CZs & 2011 i shoot with American Eagle and with another i can’t remember (fiocci or aguila). I buy ammo by the case, it’s a batch thing. Ammo QC is shit!! Just like Aguila 115g a few months ago was chronoing at 122PF. Also Fiocci 115 which usually gives close to 140PF had a batch few weaks ago shooting 124PF. Same day same gun chronoed 124 Fiocci and got 138PF

[@georgecook5120]

Ben, I think the 2011 slide is based upon a 1911 design, correct? Here's a video from Bill Wilson talking about 1911 reliability. He talks about the extractor and how it needs to be constructed in order to facilitate reliable feeding. Maybe this will be helpful in your situation. Best of luck!

[@reidhampton6799]

If the extractor looks the same as a new extractor with no apparent cracks or deformations, then the spring constant k (or spring force lbf per displacement) could’ve decrease me even if it returns to its original shape. That is the only thing I could think of. But that would take testing brand new vs that extractor.

[@tmgjurassic3738]

I do not like the Staccato XC, my gripe is the level of maintenance. The spring is so light that if the rails get gunky at all it will not go into battery. If you go with a heavier spring, you are kind of defeating the purpose of having an XC. At that point just get a P with the comp on it and call it a day.

[@ACGBLR]

How is going with a heavier spring defeating the purpose of the XC?

[@tmgjurassic3738]

@@ACGBLR You notice the snap, it feels different.

[@XRKNIFEANDTOOL]

Cant wait to buy ppls old wallered out staccatos in 15 years

[@jasonstevens5943]

Ben knows!!! He should have put an Aftec extractor in before he ever dropped the hammer on a live round. I'd be willing to bet that he even sells them on his website! 🤣🤣🤣

[@ShootingSportsandAccesso-sd9li]

I'm starting to think their love language is words of affirmation, which is why they didn't run for Pranka, who doesn't know how to do that.

[@georgecook5120]

It sounds like Staccato is the KTM (a high-end dirt bike/adventure bike) of guns. When they run, they run great until they don't.

[@Zzero5728]

1911/2011 Extractors are straight up forged out of melted fairy dust 🧚‍♀️

[@abledemo1]

This is my problem with the staccato line. Most (not saying all) staccato owners don’t shoot them much. And yea i guess you could say the same for any gucci 2011. But these are being sold as duty pistols.

[@ianaquila1858]

Amazing with all the shooting that you’ve never replaced Glock extractors, aside from the weird case you explained here. Maybe other companies should take note??….

[@donovanx85]

Own a p model it’s fun to shoot;however, set up a Glock like joel parks article, and haven’t had to worry about it. 👍

[@davidwheeler7246]

Extractor probably lost its springiness .

[@Warhear87]

Was the issue with the slide stop specific to a certain mag or mags? 2011 mags are notorious for needing to be tuned. If they are out of dimension you’ll have all kinds of feeding and lock back issues. I had lock back issues where the follower was locking the slide back early with a round still in the mag. Modifying the throat of the mag fixed the issue and prevented early lock back.

[@CA.0verview]

9:47 plot twist , the xc assembler use to work at sig. Xc warrant wound cover use error of the product xD

[@mooktemas6800]

The newer staccatos with external extractor should be more reliable.

[@billangell6478]

Everyone always says 19/2011’s are “expert” guns and require more care and tuning. I think it’s mostly a load of crap, and if it was someone other than staccato that has everyone fangirling this would be unacceptable even to them.

[@MikeMcTigue-o8f]

This video explains the 1911/2011 extractor situation. "kzbin.info/www/bejne/jp6WpKZpjbKErq8" The extractor is losing spring tension which is not visible. According to Atlas, the extractors are tool steel instead of spring steel so they will lose tension with lots of shooting. Spring steel would be preferable but just not available. They show how to check the tension, but my take is after lots of rounds it would be best to just replace the extractor. Dawson Precision has them in stock.

[@_swampyankee]

You didnt tape the grip safety down with goontape, maybe thats your problem. You need more stickers and logos and less ammo through it and it would probably work better.

[@sandlapper942]

Thanks Ben. I will stay with my Glocks and Berettas.

[@loupuleff571]

I thought even with the new extractor you were still having some issues ? Normally extraction issues relate to over pressure and or chamber issues maybe needs polishing ??

[@realmongolianhours6502]

This is why a lot of us 2011 guys use aftec extractors. Another commenter went more into detail on why spring and hook separation is more reliable than a tensioned flat. To be fair to the gun with how many rounds it’s had an extractor is a small price to pay as long as it fixes the issue. The caveat to that is that if you plan to carry a 2011 for duty just know the limitations of the platform.

[@Gun_Dork]

That has to be frustrating where you have to throw parts at something to get it to work.

[@OrionCorsari]

No argument there. If you’re smart though, you can narrow down the suspect part(s) quickly and efficiently. That is until you let a couple of armorer Bozos sell you a bill of goods. How many parts do you throw into a gun when it’s failing to extract? One and only one and then you move on. And you don’t start throwing in a bunch of new parts AND change ammo because you are introducing too many variables.

[@gansior4744]

every 1911/2011 seem to be just so depended on toleration between parts. Maybe they are just too fancy for actual use

[@bach1958]

There is no such thing as a drop in part with a 1911. There is a bit of a learning curve in fitting a 1911 extractor.

[@Desertpunk1986]

I feel like the recent silence after getting the X5 is due to…..maybe liking it?! Lol

[@someguy325es]

I’m really surprised staccato still uses the old 1911 leaf spring extractor. That is an antiquated shit old design.

[@ThugShakerActualMcTactical]

It's crazy that staccato uses a 110+ year old extractor design in a gun made current year. External extractors are simpler to fit, diagnose, and wear less. Maybe I worded this badly. "It seems silly of staccato to have made race and duty guns without having changed one of the biggest failure points of the original 19/2011 designs".

[@PandemicGameplay]

series 70 are all standard dude....

[@ThugShakerActualMcTactical]

@PandemicGameplay name another duty/comp gun that's not a 1911 that has the long ass internal extractor, that even the 1911 dudes say fails often. I mean I guess external type extractors are super old too but they've clearly been proven better as well. Series 70 or not it is a design from 1911 that stuck around for traditions sake.

[@Tal469]

Haven't noticed it being asked but do you carry your guns?(other than work of course or going to the range) if so which one? also is there a gun you would consider as gtg for both competition and carry?

[@cdt996]

I feel like a brand new Ferrari can fail in a lot more complex ways that aren’t immediately apparent than an old Honda Civic, but maybe that’s just me…

[@BenStoeger187]

I feel like comparing a staccato to a Ferrari is crazy but that’s maybe just me…

[@chris3M2C]

$2000 cash, where do I send the check?

[@LucyMcGillicutty-gz4yo]

Out of curiosity... Was it extracting the case when the slide was racked by hand?

[@llocin]

will his slide crack in under a year?

[@angelopanetta]

Thanks for the explanation, Ben. I’ve been following the staccato videos very closely. As a staccato owner I Enjoy the platform very much. So let me see if I understand the current situation. Seems to be no rhyme or reason why the extractor failed. When looking at it, nothing wrong could be found (hence the frustration) but once it was replace, the gun is now working. Is that where we are ?

[@BenStoeger187]

Yup. This is consistent with what 2011 experts like Wampler tell me is gonna happen. The extractor may be good for 10k and may last 70k… no real way to predict what is gonna happen.

[@leftyo9589]

there is a reason, the extractor is a consumable part. well if you actually shoot much. 98% of people dont shoot enough to hit the failure point.

AFTEC extractor

[@jeremiahmaddox7755]

10-8 Performance has a test where you fire with no magazine. This is supposed to test the extractor and tension. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHS0dqWPmL93m6Msi=ney3NV0yfblM0cVP&t=467

[@mikevarnerzski]

I agree, 1911s are problematic to diagnose. So when you say it isn't extracting, your viewers are going to give out many suggestions as to what could be wrong based on our experiences. It doesn't mean we don't have a clue, it means it could be several different causes. Welcome to 1911 land.. it's just how they are. 1911 guys are used to it.

[@OrionCorsari]

Yes it COULD BE DIFFERENT CAUSES but the FIRST CAUSE that should come to mind when a gun fails to extract is the EXTRACTOR!

[@mikevarnerzski]

@@OrionCorsari yeah that's why most of the comments were about extractor tension.

[@imhotep561]

Ok, so know you know exactly what the problem is when it happens again after shooting 25k rounds through a 2011 and it should be easy to identify.

[@YdoIneedahandle869]

Can you shoot frang ammo with a comp?

[@BenStoeger187]

I sure did

[@Six_One_Six]

2011's are ridiculously finicky...all of them. For what they cost, it SHOULD be the opposite. The 2011 nerds should be calling them glock killers all over the internet at several thousand per copy.

[@erict4851]

So it’s not the Miata of pistols?

[@slqer]

Miatas are cheap to buy, cheap to maintain, and reliable...

[@halbritt]

​@@slqer and handle well, so... Glock?

[@slqer]

@halbritt probably Glock but definitely not Staccato 🫠

[@erict4851]

@@slqer Glock is like a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry in my opinion. Nothing sexy about it, but reliable as hell.

[@tinle6874]

welcome to 2011 world ;D

[@2011Rick]

It's a 1911 with a double-stack mag. 1911s can be very reliable. They do require cleaning/lube at some point and depending on spring rate/ammo maybe the recoil spring needs to be replaced after several thousand rounds. I've got 100K rounds in one of my 1911's and never had the extractor fail, 20K rounds through a Staccato P without issue. 2011s don't have to be treated as Gucci guns, but they are not Glocks. Shot what you like.

[@halbritt]

"Can be". I don't think anyone is debating that. The main complaint here is predictability. Even the failures Ben has experienced don't represent proof that they are not reliable.

[@socomelite1]

I think the 1911 / 2011 is just a shit design. Most firearms you can just mail order or pick up locally a part. Replace it and it’ll run like a top. As the design doesn’t require a part that needs to be finely tuned.

[@claymac2011]

It was designed in 1911 and we're still talking about it 2024. I hope we're still talking about striker fired pistols in 100+ years.

[@xtreamar1550]

Ben I’m curious if you’ve had this issue with any other firearms around the same round count