Do All War Thunder VETERANS Think The Same? | War Thunder Spectrum: Episode 2

[@skDoger]

Whoops, looks like the outro audio got left out at around 25:27. TL:DR, thanks for watching, if you want to see a third episode, leave a like and leave some statements in the comments for other participants to react to

[@HEATSEEKR]

Would love to participate in one of these episodes. Been a player since 2014 with thousands of hours (thats a estimated guess, I grind like a mad man) but no true number to scale it with.

[@skDoger]

@@HEATSEEKR Join the Discord server! You can sign up there once we open up the admissions

[@HEATSEEKR]

@@skDoger Alright. I've been on the discord for a while but I just never figured out when and how the signups worked.

[@skDoger]

@@HEATSEEKR We announce em randomly every couple of months, you write your WT username and hope your name gets picked

[@HEATSEEKR]

@@skDoger ah I got ya. What channel are the names put in / drawn from on the discord? I'll enable notifications so I'm aware when the next time you do it.

[@Secret-gn5pf]

Main reasons for players not finding top tier fun is because how the game changes. Everything gets fast and snappy and long range engagements gets easy. Unless u adapt fast, you won't have a fun time.

[@Secret-gn5pf]

Also forgot to mention, the br compression and stock heatfs is one of the biggest painful issues in ground top tier and stock missiles in air top tier (which is partially fixed now I guess)

[@Gary_The_Metro]

I got into top tier about 2 days ago, I honestly find it far more relaxing than say, sherman vs panther combat. Because at least in top tier everyone is sort of equally... vulnerable? if that makes sense. Everyone is fast, everyone punches hard, and everyone can get punched. of course there's some vehicles that are... MMM but that's every tier. Overall I've found top tier far more relaxing than say, 5.3 to 7.3

[@titan_fx]

Low tier fun tier

[@t2force212]

@@Gary_The_Metro I 100% agree with you, as someone who has only played the usa and China tech trees so far, 5.7 to 7.0 is the worst

[@Secret-gn5pf]

@@Gary_The_Metro no spall t80bvm

[@kevinl2482]

lmfao poor seaweed. That was a very very interesting take though he had

[@RagerBoy-cc4xq]

loved how they all agreed/disagreed on stuff

[@latzulatzu5521]

Yeah I love when videos have content in them!

[@Jezza_C_WT]

Yep, this sure was a video.

[@radiacia_3511]

this was the video of all time wasnt it guys, such a video

[@TimoZSimulations]

@@radiacia_3511 this definitely was the most video ever

[@gabrielcamargo3010]

One thing that if it would be possible would make for some interesting data is maybe recruiting 5-6 veterans, 1-2 newbies and then 1-2 ex-players, it would broad a bit the demographics and maybe make for some very interesting discussions. Anyways, great video!

[@skDoger]

That many participants would make the video around 2 hours long, but a more varied mix could be better Ex-players is a great idea though, and thanks for the support :)

[@Kraus-]

@@skDoger It would be cool to do a group of noobs.

[@Android_ELITE]

If you enjoyed my voice and would like to hear more, *do not* check out my content. It sucks. Watch more of SK’s videos instead.

[@NikodemHild]

Android_Elite couldn't pick a slower tank lol

[@Android_ELITE]

*beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep…*

[@Regimentz.]

I seriously loved that ending. I was laughing so much! You all attacking eachother. One dude talking about anti-air missiles Lol 😂 keep up the good content!

[@anrw886]

These are mainly ground rb mains. I really think this should be done with a group of ground and air mains

[@toxicdragon2789]

And/Or vets like me where I’ve been playing before tanks were even in the game and i have top tier in almost every mode and nation so i have quite a broad view on everything but yeah for sure a mix would be nice since all of them mostly always went the same way for each question

[@AlexMappingHD]

Idk why, but I am one of those players who doesn't care about the bugs, grind or any other stuff - and my account is as old as when there were only planes in the game and the ground was in the test phase...

[@lematzuque]

Miau Andrei!

[@AlexMappingHD]

@@lematzuque bruh

[@onyxon7740]

@@lematzuque bruh

[@bossilays_i]

hurB@@lematzuque

[@erixon2012]

Do 7 war thunder veterans and 1 newbie like jubilee impostor videos :)

[@skDoger]

Now that's a good idea, thanks for the inspiration

[@kitkags]

1 thing they forgot about Top Tier is the HEAT/HEAT-FS as stock which makes it incredible hard to grind through modifications and APFSDS being a Tier 3 and 4 modification. Top tier without APFSDS is just a disease and capable of giving you an aneurism to be honest.

[@taelorpickel2830]

Doesn't help that some nations have advantages, like USSR, which I main, it is an interesting case because Russian tanks have extremely powerful high-explosive rounds when you get to the T-64 with its 125-mm and so on and so forth. But the specifics of using HE-FRAG is still quite specific, and it is unfair that Russian or Eastern tanks have this enormous stock advantage due to the the HE round being easily more powerful and stupidly consistent compared to HEAT-FS. So basically you in your M11P has to shoot my T-80 or T-72B with a HEAT round, does little or no damage, and I or some other Russian style tank can lop a HE-FRAG into your top and you are dead.

[@domaxltv]

@@taelorpickel2830 Personally I find very little trouble with using HEAT-FS in top tier due to penetration... What does get me killed however is the significantly lower muzzle velocity

[@soupmct7847]

In my head I thought veterans would mean 5k hrs, currently I have cloaked in about 11-12k hours and spent about 9k USD with around 20k battles

[@patrickstar7]

I didn't know it was possible to spend that much on this game

[@falcon6329]

touch some grass

[@AsphaltCowboyUSA]

No veterans are the ones from the beginning of the game ;) I started in closed beta 2012

[@wambooislustigram5789]

@@patrickstar7 Easy if you want all the Event Vehicles and dont care about the Ingame Economy. I Paid like 3500€ now to get all the Vehicles i didnt get...only IS7 is Missing but its rly overpriced.

[@Blanket-guy]

@@wambooislustigram5789 bruh, after 3k h i have spend like 500

[@fazogamezzz7844]

You deserve to have 1 mil subs my dude

[@Sem_M23]

Nice video, as someone that started playing quite recently, its very interesting too listen too the opinions of some veterans keep up the nice work! (is it possible to add some background music like lofi or just beats in general)

[@BagPiper02]

Wait, this isn't the link for free Bobux, wtf Great video as per usual Sk.

[@Rosaslav]

I would like to see second round of this:) I like when veteran players talk about WT history:)

[@the1crusader832]

Could we get an relatively new player edition to this please to see how players that joined within the past 2 years feel about the game?

[@DatBoi_TheGudBIAS]

i like volumetric, game is going towards realism, and i like dat

[@aldocarulli3054]

Volumetric is not good as it is right now, but being a player from 2012 it is WAY better than it was back in OG ground forces. Every second shot was a "trap shot" (bouncing the projectile under the turret into the driver's hatch). I'm not even kidding, imagine if breech massacre was always a guaranteed one shot kill. And the fun thing is that there was a time when you had a King Tiger battling an overpowered IS6 and you could do absolutely nothing about it frontally, and the only thing balanced this fight was the trap shot. Game was a mess back then, way worse than today.

[@snackette]

Some of them guys definitely sounded how you'd think they sound.

[@chrishops]

ive been in this game since 2014 and lead a squadron gaijin has always been pain and suffering for as long as i can remember

[@jmark0623-e]

Hey! Im new on your channel and I love this idea. I hope you could do an interview from players who used to play World of Tanks that are currently playing WT

[@skDoger]

That could be cool, thanks for the suggestion

[@stonefortress7333]

God damm long time for a part 2

[@famelcose5949]

I wish these videos got more views they deserve it

[@hacxsspyderlounge7801]

Where is me?! "Warthunder Noob Edition" when?

[@rayproductionsbackupchanne3862]

i'd love to participate in something like this sometime. do i just join the discord?

[@skDoger]

Join the Discord, wait for the announcement and sign up

[@dominikscherer566]

"copters are balanced" *CRIES IN Japanese UH-1B*

[@ThePurpleMark]

This is a really good video!

[@roscoefunnydog]

Just realized that I’m technically a veteran since I picked up the game in 2013, before ground even came out 😬

[@TricaGamer]

Helicopters balanced must be a joke

[@VulcanKnight]

I played war thunder when there was only Arcade battles for ground , my laptop died and when I returned the Americans were just getting introduced

[@Shadowninja1095]

The money I spent in the game was worth it is definitely true for me. I spent over several months of time about 300 to 500 dollars on the game to grind my way up to the m1 abrams and I don’t regret it one bit. I love the abrams tanks and I still am spending some money here and there to grind the last couple of abrams and m60 tanks at top tier.

[@SoldierChamorro]

Have you done a video on Veterans thoughts on how volumetric has evolved?

[@SoldierChamorro]

Nevermind I saw it at the end.

[@Grenvolde]

They speak almost only for Ground Battles, in air things are different

[@skyrimn00b98]

Lol, been playing since 2013. It's always been pain and suffering.

[@GHOST_CROATIA]

Pozdrav sjevernom hrvatu :))

[@Igzilee]

The problem with paying a lot for War Thunder is that the grind is still SOO long, even with premium time and vehicles. At almost 2k hours of play, I still have nothing above 7.7. My premium time recently ran out, and unless Gaijin makes some huge changes I'm probably never truly coming back.

[@ayelmao395]

Been playing since early 2013... Complete polar opposite feelings then all of them.. big F

[@noahsawesomevids422]

Awesome 😎 and can you do a new player one who have only been playing a year or two years my favorite tanks I have is t114 and t34 calliope and t14 :) but I do want the t40 and the m4a3(105) with a bulldozer

[@5505daniel]

This videa has AAA meeting vibe to it

[@Secret-gn5pf]

Exams over? Did it go well?

[@skDoger]

Yep yep, went great. Thanks for asking homie 😎

[@Kraus-]

FR tho it's a great game and I've gotten plenty hours of fun to be worth the occasional expense.

[@mr_p_191]

i have about 500-600h in warthunder but i allways am top on the team and i can agree to most of the veterans in this video.

[@bruticusgamer1049]

most the people that complain are playing this game probly not longer then a year they just started in this game and go from a m4a1 to xm-1 premium and get kill first match by a turms and say it is op

[@brandonrashall9157]

Killed a Porsche Tiger H1 with a .50 cal... with the volumetric update...

[@inertjohnjunk]

I love the guy in the ridiculously overpowered russian AAA strongly disagrees with Gaijin being biased against any nation...

[@bigyeet8905]

Some of these guys have shockingly low hours tbh. Like playing from 2013 and only having 2.3k or from 2016 and 1.9k

[@MrBonzi-ez6ho]

Umm acktshcually, i have been playing WT since 2015 and so why wasn't i picked as a veteran??? I know i only have 200 hours but thats discrimination sk, not cool >:(((

[@DatBoi_TheGudBIAS]

do u only play 1h per month or something?

[@nicholasleon7819]

2:06 lol remember when ground rb battles couldnt really start before the entire team conspired to cap the first point just so you could spawn more than once? and then sometimes so dickhead on your team would cuck his entire team by selfishly capturing the point by himself? the game may have big problems but every version of war thunder we get is the best version

[@matheuscarneirodacosta4804]

To the last question, france is good after the 2 tier

[@patrikcarga]

Slovenian brother in here, surprised to see that

[@keithbaker1951]

Sk has anyone told you that you sound like one of my favorite fallout KZbinrs " thenapple"? I mean you sound exactly like he did. He stopped doing content years ago but I check his channel occasionally 😅

[@skDoger]

Lmao I can't say that I see the similarity, might be because I'm sorta biased towards my own voice

[@keithbaker1951]

@@skDoger at any rate this channel is an excellent channel for war thunder and I thank you for taking time to respond as well. God bless and thanks again!

[@thenathan4490]

As an Air RB player, I find top tier to be not fun. It would be fun if you are flying an aircraft with the best missiles, good radar and BVR, but it lost the essence of what made air battles fun for me. It lacks a certain dogfighting skill. It's all radars, missiles, point, click, shoot and flare. Ya can get the occasional gun kills, but dogfighting seems to just basically gone. I like jets, but the early jets with none of those advanced stuff. I prefer 9.0, where your aircrafts are becoming so good that battles tend to happen at higher, more fun speed, but you're still reliant on your guns and where dogfights remain the essence of planes. You have missiles, but we all know that AIM-9Bs are more of a situational tool than dreaded weapons that makes dogfighting irrelevant, which makes it even better. Again, not everyone thinks like me. Many like top tier for the same exact reason why I hate it. So, it really depends on the player. Oh, and the plane itself. If your aircraft doesn't have access to good BVR missiles, radar and dogfighting missile, you'll probably suffer.

[@IceGuadian]

I personally am upset at 3 things playing since 2012 The economy is terrible for the amount of vehicles and their costs The premium "packs" are terribly overpriced and theres never been any neat discount combo packs since way back In example I got a small pack where I got pz2 H and DAK with a little ge, That's a pack And last, missiles have been a terrible addition to the game.

[@swewiking432]

i have almost 4000h in WT and i have played almost from 2012

[@RhuBin02]

damn really nice too see people having similar opinions like yourself,been playing since 2016 too spending money on this game has been hard to me i have a email on my wt id which i made when i was a literal brainded teen hadnt verified previously so now i cant remember the password and neither cant i recover it so iam stuck with just a warthunder id in which i can purchase thing only using steam which takes off every discount the game has currently put in so i have to buy things at full prize so yeah not too nice for me is it ,when i am looking towards purchasing things .hope there was a way to contact gaijin about this

[@jeicob5867]

Hey bro, could you make a video explaining anti-air ammunition of self propelled artillery pls :D

[@skDoger]

Anti-air ammo is pretty much the same as aircraft ammo, and I already made a video on that, so you might want to check that out

[@jeicob5867]

@@skDoger oh thx, I already watched your video and its really helpful. Love ur content man, keep like this :D

[@willnorman1078]

Back in the day was far better. Historical events that had completely full lobbies like guardian angel, battle of britain, flight of swallows, battle of kursk etc with objectives that actually took more brainpower than cap point and kill enemy. Seriously if you never got to play guardian angel i pity you. Far better BR balancing and no compression at the end of the tech tree. Mig 17 vs Sabre was the most balanced the game has ever been. Now we have at 8.0 the gepard and other radar AA pieces and your expected to run cas against that in a meteor somehow as well as a lot of other bogus like the sheer amount of prototype vehicles in the game based largely on incomplete data. Been playing since at least 2013 since i have the old guard but i will say, as a spectacle and with "wow factor" the game has improved. Graphically mainly but in most gameplay and mechanics ways i would say its gotten worse over time. Events are barely ever run now and if they are they are pretty much dead lobbies. The tiering system is a complete joke from 8.0 upwards and gaijin have started to incorporate the moba sales model for new vehicles with the majority of the top tier jets and new premiums being absolutely busted for a few weeks when they first release and then being nerfed down to sane levels.

[@mtxdp4392]

how can you be a veteran and say that gaijin doesnt favor the top 3 lmfao. usa germany and russia bring in the most revenue to the game so they receive the most additions and theres no argument about it thats just a fact

[@RaptorR2]

hes finaly back :)))

[@darthdoggo7324]

And then Operation S.U.F.F.E.R has arived

[@jimmy1104]

Hmmm all 2016, I played it since 2013 before tanks and beta in aviation. Before the ranking system we have today. (1-20) feel like this is inaccurate.

[@Scaddams]

Darn I coulda been a 2013war thunder vet, played when only Russia and Germany had tanks

[@ProbablyAEuropean]

SEVEN AND A HALF THOUSAND HOURS WHAT THE FUCK

[@Brother_Rony]

"unironically american" 👌

[@briappa6670]

I actually like ships more than tanks and aircraft, but not in WT. There are very few ships, and the gameplay is... weird. If they gave the mode a little more love i would play it a lot. That is not a big deal, because i still love tanks and planes, but in case of naval i still prefer World of Warships.

[@extraacc6203]

Can you make a jet fighting tutorial?

[@toysoldiernerio7172]

back in the day sucked. you could get physics killed by the map with invisible rocks.

[@ReloadingMoreAD1966]

Awesome 👍👍

[@fazogamezzz7844]

0:48 wtf I have been playing for 2/3 years active now and i have 2.900 hours

[@fishpasteboo5097]

Dude, are you okay?

[@fazogamezzz7844]

@@fishpasteboo5097 yeah sure how are you? I only have square eyes and no life outside of my room

[@DatBoi_TheGudBIAS]

i have almost 3 yrs, 2400 h

[@fishpasteboo5097]

@@fazogamezzz7844 I see. Welp, snails own u now, ur beloved can’t ask for refund.

[@Oberschutzee]

why niels is not with ss hat instead?

[@AsphaltCowboyUSA]

I play since closed beta 2012. Still love and hate the game.

[@mindfreak078589]

“Gaijin is biased towards other nations” Nobody mentions the fact that Russian top tier tanks had a stealth buff that greatly reduced spalling and ammo detonation. Don't even get me started on the weird ass ricochets and damage you'll get on lower tier Russian vehicles.

[@recruit4015]

To be honest I've never understood people that keep whining about Russia, the nations balanced in my opinion in top tier any player who knows where to shoot will kill A t72 or t80 in shot and I know from both perspectives never seen less spawling only bad shots that people try to excuse....... over 50% of top tier russian tanks get shot once and detonate I see it everyday lmao. And as for mid or low tier Russia its the same thing if you know the week spots its really easy to kill them heck I one shot t34s from the front with a 75 sherman and the kv 1s are also 1 shotable the weird bounces happen to every tank at every tier in my personal experience the most tank that I get that with is my Leo 1 I've bounces t30 shots before or had shots that pen and barely do damage that's a game issue not Russian bias. It really is a skill issue most of the time and when it's not its a bug that happens to everyone...

[@recruit4015]

Nobody mentioned this "stealth buff" because its not true and if they did change something its had 0 effect on gameplay if you take average shots expect average outcomes

[@mindfreak078589]

@@recruit4015 Bullshit. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d366iJWljrdrars It absolutely did help their insane winrate they had going for a while.

[@DatBoi_TheGudBIAS]

bro, the weird ricochets and stuff, its called angled armor, a thing russia is very known of

[@mindfreak078589]

@@DatBoi_TheGudBIAS Hur dur yeah no shit Sherlock. I'm obviously talking about when it doesn't even make sense for the shells to ricochets according to the in-game values. Simp harder.

[@thecatbims1795]

I play since 2019 and have 2300h in game and a 3.4k investment

[@brunowskijr]

Let's get it dogger

[@MYyGUN]

Hey where's da Canadians at bro

[@P455w0rds]

Spend money when you only have a stable income

[@mossion]

To be honest, nonsense of us are addressing the real issues. Why has WT become so boring. Same maps Same start points Same vehicles being used Ridiculous up tiers There are too many planes at times Need way better balance and diversity Should have some matches that only light tanks and motorized can be used. Endless heavy tanks is so boring

[@skDoger]

Fair points

[@shadowcarthage]

Back in the day was when there were tanks in the game.........oh my no wonder you think things weren't better. No the old times, the true old times that's when there were 4 tech trees all planes nothing else. back when you could make money in high tier without premium. now those were the days.

[@pemioi]

I've been warthunder since basically day 1 and I remember when I first played it and it was like what 3 tech trees and only planes and it sucked I hated the game

[@starfishif9103]

damnnnn

[@Abdullah-mn6sw]

What's volumetric?

[@skDoger]

Back in the day tank shells didn't have a height or width, they were pretty much a single pixel. After an update though, Gaijin added actual sizes to shells, hence the name volumetric shells. This meant that hitting small weakspots got a lot harder, which caused some controversy even to this day

[@sweadishikeameatbalsguy5200]

rouskis

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

I also like volumetric. I hated pixel sniping. I think volumetric nearly always makes sense from a physics perspective of a real round impacting at the angle and location it hits. OTHER THAN RUSSIAN MBT SPALL SLIDERS, I feel like nearly every shot's damage result makes sense spatially for the round hitting where it hit. That said, I've had a ZSU-57-2 bounce my dart from an XM-1 at 400m and deal 0 damage (I think it's in the XM-1 video I have posted) and a few other strange ones, but I'm talking 99.9% of my rounds behave as expected from the distance, angle, and impact point. The old pixel shooting system felt so cheap and overly arcadey; the present-day state of volumetric is flat out better. Overlapping armor and round size "feel" correct. While I'm here, increase spawn cost for heavies and lower their BR .3 across the board. Make them breakthrough tanks that cost a lot more SP instead of slow medium tanks relative to their BR because they get uptiered until their armor is ignorable. This used to be how they handled it, and as soon as they changed their spawn costs they started being nerfed with BR raises until they became useless slow mediums. The beauty of the spawn cost system is you can decide how much impact a vehicle is allowed to have by changing their spawn cost. A vehicle with twice the impact can cost twice the SP and be twice as important to kill instead of raising their BR until they have the same or less impact as lights and mediums because their armor doesn't matter.

[@staffelkaptain4518]

Ew he enjoys naval

[@LaloSillymanca]

Please come back ): Make this type of vid about aircraft also about the new west Palestine update ( THIS IS A JOKE IM NOT SUPPORTING EITHER ONE DONT GET OFFENDED)

[@skDoger]

Don't worry I'm not gone, new vid coming out in September

[@LaloSillymanca]

@@skDoger Ugh oh

[@VulpseiusFox]

Dog pile on seaweed!

[@Nicitel94]

Why you booing him, he's right! xD

[@0desumilde11]

Seaweed deserves the hate XD I hate volumetric so fucking much, everytime I shoot a weakspot just so the machinegun or the optics to just eat the whole shell

[@Stavros-e4u]

And like

[@Stavros-e4u]

1 view

[@fuel147]

Im better than all of these noobs

[@CatWithAOpinion]

ok

[@a39tortoise40]

ok

[@StrikeWyvern]

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[@patroller1592]

ok