Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?

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Brian Holdsworth

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@SaltyTribeCo Жыл бұрын

I was raised Muslim and lived in Pakistan, converted Catholic in 2019. Our God is not the same as their god.

@bigchickenfu Жыл бұрын

Welcome to the True Faith. God bless you

@lkae4 Жыл бұрын

Amen. Allah is a terrible being. The horror we see in Gaza is just a small sample of the nature of the faith from Allah.

@Jean_sans_peur Жыл бұрын

Deo gratias 🙏

@leejennifercorlewayres9193 Жыл бұрын

No, God is the same. You just got a warped version in Islam because Israelis created Islam to form an army to fight Christians. God is very much the same but Christians got the pacifist version from Israelis and Muslims got only the war version. In Islam you still have the Trinity it's just not connected and considered one, plus Israelis downgraded Jesus.

@lucas1216br Жыл бұрын

@@lkae4 there are Catholics that worship Allah, Allah is just the word used to God in Arabic.

@tMatt5M Жыл бұрын

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father and the Son.

@mikazoftstrom2343 Жыл бұрын

And St.Paul backs this up in Galatians 1:8-12 by saying that anyone who comes to you preaching a different gospel than the one already presented, let him be anathema.

@novijeruzalemnewjerusalem3036 Жыл бұрын

Amen! They don't believe in The Son of God Jesus Christ. They don't believe in Holy Trinity. It's not the same God. It's not even God.

@christophersnedeker Жыл бұрын

They believe Jesus is the christ they just don't believe he's God.

@StanleyPinchak 11 ай бұрын

@@christophersnedeker They deny that he is the Son. They profess allah has no son. How much clearer could John have described their heresy?

@BeniaminZaboj 10 ай бұрын

@@StanleyPinchakRoman Catholicsm entered highest point of idolatry since their infalible II Vatican Council where they not only calimed and make it doctrine of their faith that they and mahometans worship the same god, they also went further and said he is our common creator and thus mahometans have possiblity of salvation - this heresy was further confirmed by bishops of Rome John Paul II, Benedict 16-th or current Bishop of Rome Francis. They canonised as their saint (infalible act) Mother Theresa of Calcuta who was teaching in accordance with Roman Catholic heresy that mahometans share with them same god; but she even make it wider to include even pagan hindus. In January 2021, the Bishop of Rome, Roman Catholic Pope Francis announced a prayer intention in which he confirmed the heretical position of the teaching magisterium of the Roman Church, proclaiming error and apostasy from the Christian faith, calling on Christians to commit idolatry by recognizing pagans and rabbis - members of false faiths that do not recognize Divinity and Sonship of Jesus Christ - for believers in the same "God" as Christians, and thus for calling them "brothers and sisters" of Christians, and participating with them in prayers to a common "god" Pontifical Universal Prayer Network. Papal Prayer Intention in the service of human brotherhood: "When we pray to God following Jesus, we come together as brothers and sisters With those who pray according to other cultures, other traditions and other beliefs. We are brothers and sisters who pray. Fraternity leads us to open ourselves to the Father of us all and see the other as a brother or sister, to share our life or support, to love and know the other. The Church values God's action in other religions, without forgetting that for us Christians, the source of human dignity and brotherhood is in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We believers must return to our sources and concentrate on what is essential. What is fundamental to our faith is adoration of God and love for neighbor. Let us pray that the Lord will give us the grace to live in full community with our brothers and sisters of other religions, and not to fight each other. And praying one for another, they opened themselves to everyone. - Bishop of Rome Francis “Christians and Muslims share many things in common, as believers, as human beings. We live in the same world, marked by many signs of hope, but also by many signs of sorrow. For us, Abraham is a model of faith in God, submission to his will and confidence in his goodness. We believe in the same God, one God, the Living God, the God who created the world and brought His creatures to their perfection. - Pope John Paul II, "address to the young Muslims of Morocco, August 19, 1985

@carissstewart3211 Жыл бұрын

No. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. Three Persons, One God. Nor are the three distinct Persons parts of God as God is absolutely simple. It is therefore not possible to worship only a "part." Muslims knowingly deny the Trinity. They do not worship the One God.

@soulfuzz368 Жыл бұрын

So would it be accurate to say that Mormons and Jehovas also don’t worship the same God?

@rraddena Жыл бұрын

@@soulfuzz368correct

@carissstewart3211 Жыл бұрын

@@soulfuzz368 correct

@Qwerty-jy9mj Жыл бұрын

@@soulfuzz368 Correct, they aren't Christians

@harvestingnow1571 Жыл бұрын

@@soulfuzz368Yes ; good question/point!!

@pedronunopulquerio Жыл бұрын

Hello Brian. How can we say that we adore the same God when Jesus Himself said that who rejects Him rejects the Father?

@afterlate8866 Жыл бұрын

I agree, but perhaps Jesus was addressing Christians-in-name only? He can’t, for example, have been addressing those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Him and perhaps, for example, Muslims do not know Him. (Don’t know if that makes sense).

@FimiliarGalaxy9 Жыл бұрын

They have a concept of him but do not know him.

@PadraigTomas Жыл бұрын

@@afterlate8866They explicitly reject the crucifixion, resurrection, and divinity of our Lord. They know what they are doing.

@GummyDeer Жыл бұрын

@@afterlate8866 Your logic applies only those human beings born in islamic faith who do not propagate islam and do not read about Jesus nor lie about Jesus but live their daily life as per their own terms where as those who propagate islam read his word lie about him. Even christians do not know Jesus or heavenly father as to none of you Jesus has revealed himself and heavenly father in their real identity but you guys believe in the scripture written by jews which is the truth where as islamic propagators lie about Jesus based on deceitful scripture of satan allah.

@GummyDeer Жыл бұрын

@@FimiliarGalaxy9 They just dont have concept of him based on their own assumptions .They have their scripture from satan allah which makes them lie about Jesus.If by reading the bible they choose to lie about Jesus they deserve to be in hell with satan allah.

@BrianHoldsworth Жыл бұрын

Please notice that the question isn't, "Do Christians and Muslims believe the same things?" or "Do Muslims offer the same quality of worship to God?" or "Is Muslim and Christian worship of God equally valid?" to which the answers would be no. The question, "Do we worship the same God?" is a different question. It might be that it is the one entertained in order to maximize the effect of ecumenism and provide an occasion to say "yes". But it doesn't mean that both creeds are equal in merit or that our worship is of equal value or suitability - in the same way that Cain and Abel worshipped the same God with dramatically different outcomes or in the same way that someone who knows me superficially doesn't have the same knowledge as someone who knows me intimately like my wife. That is what is argued in the video.

@jamesms4 Жыл бұрын

Ed Feser did a post on this on his blog about this topic. Check it out. edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2015/12/christians-muslims-and-reference-of-god.html

@PFiliusDeisj Жыл бұрын

Hi Brian, thanks for the video. It was well presented, faithful to what the Church teaches. I just wanted to bring your attention to two points. In as much as Nostra Aetate should be read in line with Lumen Gentium, I’ll only focus on LG16. First, the Council states “But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, ‘qui fidem Abrahae se tenere profitentes…’ ” [“professing to hold the faith of Abraham”]. Notice how the Council doesn’t say they profess the faith of Abraham; instead, It recognizes Muslims themselves believe they do. This nuance is important. A second nuance is also important, since the phrase continues: “… nobiscum Deum adorant UNICUM, misericordem…” [translated into English as “along with us adore THE one and merciful God].” However, there is no article in Latin. The translators in English and some other languages, have use the definite article in their translations “The one and merciful God.” Yet, in many other language (i.e. Italian, Spanish), the translation is done with the indefinite article “along with us adore AN UNIQUE and merciful God.” A reading of the acts of the Council would reflect better the second indeterminate understanding. Yet, since most don’t read Lumen Gentium in Latin (official language of the Council documents) but in their own language, later writings reflect the first interpretation. Although posterior statements by Popes are Magisterium, we need to be clear what the Council taught, which should help us to read later statements.. Blessings!

@claybody Жыл бұрын

Worship? Define worship.

@jamesms4 Жыл бұрын

@@claybodyworship=old english giving honor due to a thing's excellence. Catholic doctrine. Latria=the supreme honor only worthy of being given to the Supreme Being. God....

@catholicguy1073 Жыл бұрын

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@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

Islam was originally understood as a Christian heresy. I think we can acknowledge that Christians and Muslims both acknowledge the God of natural theology (which is the same God), while knowing their understanding is faulty because their revelation is inherently faulty since it doesn't acknowledge the Trinity (and is therefore not salvific), and while still emphasizing the seriousness of heresy. I think people disagreeing with the fact that we worship the same God drastically understate the nature of what heresy actually is. You'd need to grant that Arians, Nestorians, Monophysites, Albigensians, Protestants, Unitarians, and Muslims all worship not only a different God from the Catholics, but a different God from one another, which is ridiculous. We concede nothing to the Muslim by acknowledging this.

@reinedire7872 Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@ΕλέησονΑμαρτωλόν Жыл бұрын

@@reinedire7872I second that.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

I'll also add: not only does acknowledging that we worship the same God concede nothing to the Muslim, it denies Dawahgandists entire lines of propaganda. They expect Christians to take the "we don't worship the same God!" reasoning and then, when they rightfully show the Christian wrong on this issue, the Christian's faith is shaken and they become more susceptible to Dawah. Say instead to a Dawahgandist: "yes, like us, you affirm the God of Abraham, much like the heretic Arius did, of which your heretical religion is an offshoot. Your prophet is a liar. Repent, and believe in the Gospel."

@ΕλέησονΑμαρτωλόν Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558 Amen. So important to understand Islam’s roots in Arianism and for that matter the Gnostic tendencies in Protestant thought (at times).

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

Wrong. Christians and Muslims do NOT worship the same God/god. And if you said that in a Muslim country; they would behead you! Allah is "the Best of Deceivers," in the Quran, who is "the Father of Lies," in the Bible.

@Multipurpose_Bagel Жыл бұрын

It's funny; "religious indifferentism" is itself a religious belief.

@Ezekiel336-16 Жыл бұрын

I prefer the phrase "religious relativism", seems to hit the pseudo-reality on the head much better.

@decluesviews2740 Жыл бұрын

Overall, this is a good video with a helpful analogy. Lest people get the impression, however, that this doctrinal stance began with Vatican II, let me point out that it is the position held by Pope St. Gregory VII, the Catechism of Pius X, and in the scholastic tradition (St. Robert Bellarmine, for example). I have not yet found any statements from the magisterial tradition to the contrary. Dr. Ed Feser, the well-known Thomist Philosopher, has a great article explaining this teaching on his website. It’s similar to Brian’s presentation here in its basic argumentation but with more philosophical jargon and a slightly different example of the difference between sense and reference. It’s a good read for those struggling with this topic.

@daltonburroughs3811 Жыл бұрын

When Muslims claim we worship the same God they are just absolutely wrong. Our God is the only one and much different from the Muslim god. Just look at the difference in our cultures to see how much different they are.

@Qwerty-jy9mj Жыл бұрын

The culture is different, the worship is different but both say they worship the only God that exists. So if there is a God at all, it must be the same.

@daltonburroughs3811 Жыл бұрын

@Qwerty-jy9mj check my other comment to see why this is not necessarily true. We are claiming to worship the same position of one true God but we mean different beings when we talk about it. Same position, different beings means we don't worship the same God.

@Qwerty-jy9mj Жыл бұрын

@@daltonburroughs3811 If this is the criteria, then Calvinists worship a different God than Catholics

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@daltonburroughs3811, you are correct! Except Muslims don't claim to worship the same god as the Christian God. Allah is "the Best of Deceivers," in the Quran, who is "the Father of Lies," in the Bible.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@@Qwerty-jy9mj Just because Islam worships one god, does NOT make it the One True God. Islam worships one false god, Allah who is "the Best of Deceivers," in the Quran, and "the Father of Lies," in the Bible.

@ahmetg6452 6 ай бұрын

Oh yeah . The Holy Trinitiy is unacceptable for a Muslim. Because , Islam defines God as an omnipotent creator and owner of everything , far beyond human conception . Oneness of God is the basic pillar in Islam. But , it is the same in Judaism as well . Therefore, it is the decision of some priests , who decided to redifine (during the Nicean Council in 4th ceuntry) the notion of one God within the concept of Holly Trinity. Respect to believers of all religions and to non-believers too.

@oldmovieman7550 Жыл бұрын

The very fact of the Trinity view of God which Christians adhere to vs the Tawhid view of God which Muslims adhere to means we can’t be worshipping the same God. It’s not just a difference in details, it’s a difference in nature. It’s like talking about “Jim” but the “Jim” I am thinking of is a World War 2 vet and the Jim you are thinking of is in 9th grade and plays JV basketball. On this same note, post resurrection Jews also worship a different God.

@markpugner9716 10 ай бұрын

I disagree. Playing off your example, it's like we're talking about the same Jane, but you are married to her and I haven't seen or heard from her since she was six. I have all sorts of ideas about who she is, but I'm wrong. We're still taking about the same person, though, and the fact I'm getting things wrong doesn't change that.

@Mary-ux7pp 6 ай бұрын

How did we get the Old testament at the worship in the a different God the god in the Old testament the Torah is the same God in the New testament I've never seen such confusion where are you getting this from

@oldmovieman7550 6 ай бұрын

@@Mary-ux7pp I never said that the God of the OT is not the God if the NT.

@RASharma11 5 ай бұрын

Yes, Muslims too believe that Jesus would be back on the last day when God would judge humans. Muslims too believe that Jesus was born out of the Virgin Mariam. But the Muslims believe that Allah alone is God, when Jesus is a prophet. It’s a mere belief, not however the truth, and especially doesn’t align with Christian belief. Christianity is based on the fact that Jesus is God and the Son of God. Muslims however believe that Allah or God is too divine to have a son, or has no co equals. Hence Jesus is assigned the role of a prophet by Muslims. Here, it’s noteworthy to understand that Allah means ‘God’ and the name Allah is not a personal proper name for God, but only means God. Jews worship the same God as Muslims. In fact, Jews pray in mosques, to Hashem (Jewish God and the father of Christ, revealed as Yahweh or Jehovah in the OT and as God the Father Almighty in the NT). Jews worship the same God as Muslims in mosques. Masjid al Aqsa in Jerusalem is one of the holiest sites for Jews, which is primarily an Islamic mosque. The Great Wall in Jerusalem is the holiest of Jewish sites. The Jewish God Hashem or Yahweh is the Father of Jesus, Jesus himself was a Jew. Hence, we are led to conclude that Allah is the Father of Jesus and Jesus is the Son of Allah. But Muslims however hold belief that Jesus Christ is a prophet since according to Islamic beliefs, Allah is too divine to have a son. But faith prohibits Muslims from recognising Jesus as the Son of God or God, but Jews, Christian’s and Muslims have God the Father in common and we all worship the same creator who is God the Father or Yahweh for us Christians, Hashem or Yahweh for Jews. The ways of describing him and Godhead are different in these three religions. Theology, eschatology and culture are three different terms. Christianity, Judaism and Islam showcase three entirely different cultures, but their theologies and eschatology are overlapping and have a lot in common. The Ten Commandments found in the OT given by God Yahweh hold good for Christians as the Ten Commandments given by God the Father Almighty. Muslims too subscribe to the same Ten Commandments as given by Allah in the Quran. Similarly, a lot of characters are the same between Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Jacob is Yakoob, Moses is Musa, Mary is Mariam, Jesus is Isa. Abraham is Ibrahim, And so on. So yes, Jews, Christians and Muslims share the Father in common, believe in the same eschatology (theology of the end times) and believe in the same Ten Commandments and believe in the same creator God. Three roads leading to the same destination. One is a beautiful highway going through mountains, lakes and valleys - Judaism. Another is a highway going through cities and towns with restaurants, hospitals and hotels- Christianity (think of confession, mass, anointing of the sick etc) Another is a highway going through a thick, dark, dense forest - Islam. They all lead to the same God. Amen. Kyrie eleison, Christe eleison! ✝️

@Farras_Liu 3 ай бұрын

@@RASharma11i have been read testament and quran , i can ensure you if this is a same GOD. 1. We belive God make a earth in 6 days stop in 7 day. 2. We belive True Ancestors Is Adam. 3. We belive Judgment day . And there`s so many but i can`t write all... And the fact i don`t know why in my homies , there`s still insist if this different , but there`s somone believe too, if this same... At the end , let the GOD settle this difference in the Judgment day. May GOD bless us.

@soulfuzz368 Жыл бұрын

After some of the Christians I’ve met in the last few years I’m not sure they all worship the same God either. Great video btw

@Qwerty-jy9mj Жыл бұрын

That's a pretty cavalier thing to say

@soulfuzz368 Жыл бұрын

@@Qwerty-jy9mj fair enough. I made this comment based on my neighbour who is a lesbian Anglican pastor who has two adopted children that are transgender. I have a few friends who are strict orthodox Christians and they would most definitely say that she is worshipping a different God. It would be interesting to see how she would answer the same question though. My guess is that she would say yes. I find this topic fascinating.

@Qwerty-jy9mj Жыл бұрын

@@soulfuzz368 Well, on the one hand these are baptized Christians, on the other, what they do couldn't possibly constitute worship or perhaps it could be a form of self worship which amounts to satanism.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@soulfuzz368her god is progress, and it is a false god

@youtubeKathy Жыл бұрын

TMNT.

@christinahughes196 Жыл бұрын

There is no way Allah is our God, absolutely no way. And I have this from former Muslims as well as learning about Allah from the Quran.

@lordgoji1004 6 ай бұрын

It is allah transulation to english to "the god" which means allah is our god

@PopCultureCatechism Жыл бұрын

Very well nuanced. Every Catholic should read Nostra Aetate. But I agree (as does Lumen Gentium) that the commonalities found in other religions in no way reduces the need for evangelization.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

An actual sober take in this comment section, instead of hysterical screeching? Wow!

@Ezekiel336-16 Жыл бұрын

If you read Nostra Aetate in full and closely you'll notice that the hierarchy still wants us in the laity to evangelize everyone, all while they are restricting the clergy from doing so. Given that, they are explicitly telling the clergy to disobey a direct command from our Lord and Savior (which none of the clergy is bound to obey since it is a sinful directive). It's easy to miss that due to how long in the tooth the document is, and how often they are talking out of both sides of their mouth in a seeming effort not to offend anyone (except Jesus Christ). In Christ, Andrew

@RASharma11 5 ай бұрын

@damienparoski2033 Жыл бұрын

My dear brother, I think you are approaching this topic on a bit of a relativistic bend. Your analogy of two different individuals talking about you and still encapsulating who you are does not fit this discussion. Let us take your example and run with it. Let's take a perfectly faithful Catholic who talks about GOD and HIS Justice and Mercy and a Satanist who talks about Free Will and Choice! Both are referring to virtues of GOD. Are they both talking about the same god? Let us take the Catholic GOD and the god of Islam. One of these talks about Love and Compassion and the other professes endless war and enternal sex with virgin daemonettes! Can they both be the same god or is one True GOD and the other a false god?

@StanleyPinchak Жыл бұрын

Yes, test the spirits. “Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” (1 Jo 4:1, DRC)

@oggolbat7932 Жыл бұрын

The difference is that both Catholics and Muslims refer to the same person as God, the God of Abraham. We just differ over the specifics. Islam is just a Christian heresy, just like Arianism, Mormonism or Jehova's Witnesses.

@badthomist5232 Жыл бұрын

If "worshiping the same God" means "believing the same things about the Absolute Reality when engaged in religious worship thereof" then, no, we don't "worship the same God." If "worshiping the same God" means "being in a worshipful orientation toward Absolute Reality which exists independently of our doctrinal beliefs and theological ideas while others with different beliefs and theological ideas are also in a worshipful orientation to the selfsame, identical, and independently real Absolute" then the answer is obviously yes, we DO worship the same God as Muslims. What's more, if "worshiping the same God" entails having a substantially identical theology, most Christians don't "worship the same God" as most other Christians. Certainly it makes no sense to affirm that Christians worship the same God as Jewish people who deny the Incarnation and the Trinity while simultaneously denying that Muslims worship the same God as Christians because Muslims deny the Incarnation and the Trinity. That's simply indefensibly idiotic, and the fact that many Christians would affirm that they worship the same God that Jews worship but not the same God that Muslims worship demonstrates that people base their answer to this question on irrational prejudices, not rational principles.

@frausto4086 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for addressing the topic of Muslims and Catholics. Your insights are greatly appreciated. I would like to encourage Muslims to explore the possibility of converting to Catholicism. May God bless you, and by God, I refer to the Holy Trinity.🙏🏼

@tradicnykatolik_sk Жыл бұрын

He is following false religion and modernism, of a false church after Vatican II. Acts 4,10 and 12 - "Be it known to you all... by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, ... Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved." 1 John 2:22 - "Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father, and the Son." 1 John 2:23 - "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son, hath the Father also." You will loose salvation believing and embracing what Holdsworth embraces. I say in true charity.

@universeman657 Жыл бұрын

@@tradicnykatolik_skthe gates of hell have not prevailed against the Church. The Pope is always going to be the head of the Church, until the end of the world. Sedevacantism is a dangerous and false ideology.

@conquer5058 Жыл бұрын

No thank you

@Mary-ux7pp 6 ай бұрын

The Catholics are the ones that made up the Muslim religion just look it up they murdered a Jesuit because he told the truth the Vatican wanted Jerusalem so they used and made up the Muslim religion so the Muslims will go after the true Christians and Jews .in the end times Vatican would look sweet and kind the Vatican was also in with Hitler wake up

@afterlate8866 Жыл бұрын

Christians believe in a triune God - three persons in one God; Muslims do not, so how can He be the same God? How can something as radical and fundamental as this, reveal the same God? To use Brian’s analogy would be to say something like: ‘Brian is Japanese with dark hair’ whilst others say that ‘he has red hair and is Canadian’. Would we really be talking about the same person? (Yes, I guess you could argue that in both cases he is still a person!). Christians believe in Jesus being God and Man; Muslims believe Jesus is simply a prophet. There is a huge difference - we cannot downplay this (there are many other important differences, but these two are fundamental) and we must not brush these aside. We also have more historical records regarding the existence of Christ than we do of say, Julius Caesar, and we have two thousand-plus years of Church history and the writings of Church fathers to refer to - so hardly mere ‘opinion’ with only little evidence. None of us should be arrogant about our faith, as faith is a gift from God and can easily be lost, yet important differences have to be stated with humility and conviction and conviction has been, and is being, eroded. That, is the problem.

@awreckingball Жыл бұрын

There's only one God. Mistaken ideas about Him do not mean we somehow no longer worship Him but a 'false god' instead. If this were so, most Catholic would worship a false god at one time or other. For example, Catholic children often hold mistaken ideas about the Trinity, the two natures of Christ and other complex doctrines.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

Allah is the Best of Deceivers, in the Quran, who is the Father of Lies (Satan), in the Bible. Different Gods. The pagans don't worship the One True God. And Muslims don't worship the One True God. Muslims are unbaptized pagans, who worship 1 false god.

@lorenzolozzigallo2589 Жыл бұрын

God bless Brian. I thank him heartily for standing up in the general cowardice of our time.

@eleazarpalma6917 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this! As Catholics we believe in the Trinity, that is the very nature of the God we believe in. Muslims do not. While it is true that both creeds believe there is One God, is this enough of a reason to say we believe in the "same" God when something as substantial as the Trinity is at stake?

@JdAskins99 Жыл бұрын

By that reason should we conclude that Abraham, and Moses did not worship the same God as us? They believed their God was a singular being. There is even a lot of evidence to suggest the early Hebrews believed their God was just the greatest god among many. This is called Hebrew Henotheism. I would say that idea is even more of a difference than the single God having a trinitarian nature.

@eleazarpalma6917 Жыл бұрын

We can't conclude that though because Abraham and Moses are directly related to the history of salvation in the Catholic Church. Christ coming and redeeming the world was the fulfillment of the time of Abraham and Moses. Islam started almost 600 years after the death of Christ. All of revelation and truth had been revealed already when Islam started whereas Abraham and Moses awaited patiently for the fulfillment of the law. This is not a fair comparison.@@JdAskins99

@catholicguy1073 11 ай бұрын

Yes because it’s the belief of one God as there can only be one God. Simultaneously that’s also not to say their understanding of God is radically different from the Christian understanding. Lastly by saying it’s a different God leads to stumbling blocks for atheists when the say what God? The God of philosophy and the universe, The God of Muslims, The God of the Jews, the God of Christians? The simple answer is it’s all the same God with different understandings on the nature of God. Now I think Christians can easily demonstrate this with the God of the Jews and Philosophy being the same Christian God. Touch harder with the Muslim understanding however when being more nuanced about the differences we can further show there is only One God. Hope that helps

@catholicguy1073 11 ай бұрын

@@JdAskins99as the Hebrews views on God progresses they learned that their is only ONE God, the True God, God of the Universe. They rejected the Christ so they’re understanding has not developed as much but it’s the same God as the Christians, not a different God

@gandalfolorin-kl3pj Жыл бұрын

Brian: NO. Psalm 95: 5: "For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils: but the Lord made the heavens." This was repeated by St. Paul, and by all the Church since the invention of that religion which St. Thomas calls a heresy. Those who reject the Holy Trinity are not merely praying wrongly. They are praying to a god who is not God. This is why that religion is not true and why we cannot say that we worship the same God as they. Your belief that Vatican II and subsequent popes have stated that we do, in fact, worship the same God must be squared with what the Church has decreed in all the previous centuries. So we are to conclude that all the doctrine on this subject from the time of the First Crusade onward till the 20th century is wrong, and now this one Council and the recent and current popes are right? This is illogical as well as injurious to our faith. What the Church has always taught is protected by the infallibility guaranteed to the Church by Our Lord. Those changes from this teaching in recent times, regardless of whether they come from a Council or a pope, are aberrations which cannot be reconciled with what the Church has always taught. This doesn't make Vatican II into a bogus council or the popes into false popes. But it does mean that we must adhere to what the Church has always taught and not with recent innovations. We must pray to Our Lady for assistance in these difficult times. She has promised more power than ever to her Rosary if only we are faithful to it every day.

@Psalm_xxiii Жыл бұрын

Well said!

@NathanMcDevitt Жыл бұрын

I do fully appreciate the savage joke at 5:10. That was hilarious. Definitely made me chuckle.

@king-sal Жыл бұрын

Muslims, Christians, and Jews worhip the same god (which Christians call "the father"), Allah is just the Arabic translation to the word "God", just like how "Elohim" is the Hebrew translation to the word "God" .. only difference is muslims believe jesus is not the son of God, but a prophet of God, a prophet that they love as much as Muhammad, they do not believe that a God can die or rest or need to sleep or eat or drink like how jesus died and slept and ate

@Salvert Жыл бұрын

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@YankeeWoodcraft Жыл бұрын

Facts. Even the Catholic Church teaches this... CCC 841 "The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

@1960taylor Жыл бұрын

Buddy, you’re some guy who has a KZbin channel. Don’t get carried away.

@Lukebarca Жыл бұрын

I don't find this as a good explanation it seems like the same argument he uses to disqualify Islam is the same argument that Protestants used to disqualify Catholics from being Christian because there is an emphasis on works .

@daltonburroughs3811 Жыл бұрын

I think a better analogy is having a king and citizens of that country serve and obey the king. Then comes another person claiming some other random king exists and that's who we should follow. Both groups say they follow the king as a position but clearly mean different people. Thus the Christian God is the one true God and the Muslin god is a false god (maybe a demon/fallen angel, maybe just made up by Mohammad) who is trying to claim the same title and is just an imposter.

@iBringDaLULZ Жыл бұрын

But wouldn't that analogy gloss over how the Muslims incorporate the Old and New Testaments in their theology? To put it another way: does not their use of many if the same scriptures as Christians and Jews, in addition to their own scriptures (the Qur'an) to explain the nature of what God is and isn't, necessarily imply a shared target of worship with a divergence of understanding of God between the three religions? The channel "Ready To Harvest" did an interesting video called "Are Mormons, Muslims, and Catholics Christian?", and I think it offers interesting overlapping insight into this matter on Christians and Muslims worshipping the same God.

@daltonburroughs3811 Жыл бұрын

@@iBringDaLULZ Muslims "incorporate" the Old and New Testaments incorrectly by contradictorily claiming Mohammad was both prophesied about in the Bible but also that the Bible has been corrupted (just to set the record straight, Mohammad is not prophesied about in the Bible [unless you count verses like Matthew 24:24 or Galatians 1:6-9 warning us about false prophets] and we have Biblical manuscripts older than Islam that match up with what we have today so it has not been corrupted). Mohammad came around claiming to worship the same God, then though his supposed revelation describes a god completely counter to the God of the Bible. If anything, the god of Islam is just an imposter of the one true God of the Bible. So again same in position but a completely different being. Claiming Muslims woship the same God as Christians is naive, bordeline blasphemous, and a massive oversimplification.

@Troy-Moses Жыл бұрын

Sorry brother, but if we are to follow what you just described, then the Israelites should not have been judged for making the golden calf -- they were "to some degree approaching the same God", as you claim at 7:50. HOWEVER, *_"All the gods of the nations are idols",_* is David's claim.

@phoenixcatholic5367 Жыл бұрын

Brian, I think Vatican 2 is a little more nuanced than you give it credit for. IIRC, LG says that Muslims CLAIM to worship the God of Abraham. This is quite far from an assertion that they DO, in fact, worship the God of Abraham. Furthermore I do think that one has to ask the question of how far off do you have to be in a description of a person or thing to realize that some one is talking about a different thing. EG: If I were to describe you as a short, fat, dark-skinned man from Nigeria who had a career as a hitman for the mob. I think we would both agree that though I may be applying the name "Brian Holdsworth" to this man; he was absolutely NOT you. My own working hypothesis is in the middle. The Bible gives us the true image of our Heavenly Father. The Quran describes the same God as seen from the satan's perspective.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@phoenixCatholic5367 Several excellent points! Best refutation of that I have ever read. Additionally, Allah is "the Best of Deceivers," in the Quran, who is "the Father of Lies," in the Bible. And your point that V2 states that Muslims CLAIM to worship the God of Abraham is an important point. Especially since Muslims are supposed to practice TAQIYYA, approved lying to promote Islam.

@EasternRomeOrthodoxy Жыл бұрын

🇷🇺☦🤝☪️🇵🇸How about stopping with your Islamophobic lies, hah? All (true/orthodox) Abrahamic religions believe in the same God - YHVH THE FATHER - and only the epistemology which we derive from that fundamental principle is the difference: ours is the correct one, theirs is the corrupted one, but we love all Abrahamic faiths as long as they come from their own original source, while rejecting completely the pagans, Protestants, and reformers of all faiths. I was once accusing the Pope of teaching heresy, but Lofton convinced me that it's impossible, unless you don't believe in the Orthodox doctrines. I don't like this weak Pope as person, but on the seat of St. Peter he doesn't teach heresy, so I refuse to attack him as the fake "Orthodox" do.

@billbadson7598 Жыл бұрын

_"LG says that Muslims CLAIM to worship the God of Abraham. This is quite far from an assertion that they DO, in fact, worship the God of Abraham."_ I don't know, man. Every time I hear someone say something like this, I imagine a bunch of people praying to God, and the Devil just flying around trying to catch the prayers and intercept them and laughing like Dick Dastardly, because secretly all their prayer power is going to him instead of the intended target of their prayer. If I say a prayer and am intending to pray to the One God, can evil forces just steal it out of my mouth when I had no intention of praying to those evil forces?

@EasternRomeOrthodoxy Жыл бұрын

@@billbadson7598 You was already discredited as an Islamophobic devil yourself, so I suggest you just🤐And also stop speaking in acronyms like shallow Americans - speak clearly, no one knows what is an LG nor DO!!!

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@@billbadson7598 LG should NOT have repeated the false claims of Muslims, especially since Muslims are supposed to lie to promote Islam, called TAQIYYA. Muslims do NOT address their prayers to "the One True God." They address their prayers to Allah, who is the Best of Deceivers in the Quran, and the Father of Lies, Satan, in the Bible. Satan can sometimes answer requests, as we have heard of contracts with the devil.

@josephabiti Жыл бұрын

Christ and Mohammed are so different that whatever verbal acrobatics or majestral gymnastics you do, you can't reconcile them. Why are our established churches so weak to proclaim the truth of Christ? You don't win spiritual battles by comprising truth in the name of a fake "peace." In the name of peace, you have turned our church's into a wellbeing cult. You proclaim the truth with boldness, and you face the quencequnce with humility and love.

@reinedire7872 Жыл бұрын

I believe Dr. E. Michael Jones would agree with this take. Same God, different understanding, which is largely faulty when it comes to Islam. Kudos for tackling this issue, as I can see there are some hurt feelings in the comments over this rather reasoned and sensible argument. Logos is rising!

@miroo4097 Жыл бұрын

Not the Same God. The muslims say Allah is Father to no one, and the only relationship we could have is that of a slave to master. Islams only limit on weather you can have sex with a women is if you are married and you can fit inside her (there is no age limit and they expressly promote polygamy). In islam their have is one of debauchery and unending sex... literally. In Islam allah literally describes himself as The Greatest of Deceivers. When Mohammed confronted in the cave he believed it was a demon and was going to kill himself to save his soul from possession. Until his Pagan Wife and her brother convinced him that he was a messager of allah. In the Quran the call Jesus Isa which isn't Jesus's name in Arabic (remember the Quran is supposed to be flawless and without error) it was Yasu. Then there's the fact that hat Mohammed got god to approve of prostitution - sorry "Temporary marriage" for a night so they could lay with whores. Then there is where Allah "spoke" through Mohammed and gave him and his sodiers to rape married women as long as they aren't muslims......NO they aren't the same God. Oh yeah i can not think of one of gods prophets who married and slept with a child while middle aged. For reference Mohammed was a 53 yr old man who married Aisha at the age of 6 and when she was 9 slept with her. It gets worse she was still playing with dolls and on her swing when he lay with her. In Islam dolls are traditionally considered idolatry so only recognized prepubescent child were allowed to play with them. Christ took up a chorded whip to drive money lenders and heathens that polluted the temple what would you think he would say to even the thought that Allah and God The Father are the same.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@miroo4097God in Islam and God in Christianity are both the God of natural theology. Ergo, they're the same. We concede nothing to the Mahometan by acknowledging this. The one way you'd disprove this is disproving natural theology, which would disprove Catholicism.

@mikazoftstrom2343 Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558you’d have to explain this further for me to concede this. Mind you, I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just not convinced.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@mikazoftstrom2343 do you know what natural theology is?

@mikazoftstrom2343 Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558 from what I remember it’s establishing doctrines from rational arguments rather than revelations. This is why you need to explain your argument better because both Islam and Christianity are based on revelations. So on face-value your argument appears false.

@novijeruzalemnewjerusalem3036 Жыл бұрын

Besides, they don't believe in Son of God, Jesus Christ. They don't believe in Holy Trinity. How it can be same God? It's not even God.

@SchofieldRex Жыл бұрын

People nuance a topic to death until it fits into official catholic documents. Any person who doesn't affirm The Trinity, including mormans, Muslims, unitarian, ect, do not believe in the chirstian God. Why is this so hard? I genuinely can't belive the "one true church" doesn't affirm this. Catholism is so divorced from the original Christianity.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

Vatican II and the 1993 Catechism are both wrong. Christians and Muslims worship different Gods.

@StanleyPinchak Жыл бұрын

Ecumenism is a slippery slope to heresy.

@Forester- Жыл бұрын

Your comment seems to implicitly deny that God can be known through natural reason. If the one true God can only be known through the Trinity, and the Trinity cannot be established without recourse to revelation, then we can't recognize the truth of God through natural theology.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@@Forester- You jump to silly conclusions. The Holy Trinity is not a function of natural reason; but Revealed Truth. Islam does not rely on natural reason for it's theology of Allah. Islam has a developed theology of Allah's character, as "having no Son" and being "the Best of Deceivers." Both of those point-blank contradict Catholic theology of the Holy Triune God.

@Forester- Жыл бұрын

@@francikoen The original comment says that those who do not affirm the Trinity do not believe in the Christian God. The Trinity cannot be established by natural reason, the obvious conclusion of these two points is that the Christian God cannot be found through natural reason. The one true God can be found through natural reason and since we cannot identify the the Trinity apart from revelation we must conclude that anyone who believes in the God of natural theology does believe in the Christian God but has an incomplete view of God. You didn't say anything to demonstrate otherwise.

@harrygarris6921 Жыл бұрын

I think saying Muslims and Christians worship the same God is just one step further than Protestants claiming that they have unity with each other. It’s essentially saying yeah, we disagree on all of these extremely important doctrines, but if we can figure out one thing we all agree on, such as the Bible being the highest source of authority, we can claim we’re united on that alone. It’s the same thing between Christianity and Islam. We disagree on almost everything but we at least agree that there is one God who created the universe out of nothing. So we can pretend like the other stuff isn’t important or not something that ultimately “determines salvation” as Protestants say, and therefore we have unity.

@BrianHoldsworth Жыл бұрын

I agree. You could call it a cheap tactic to encourage dialogue.

@paologat Жыл бұрын

Acts 17.23 comes to mind. For as I walked around looking carefully at your shrines, I even discovered an altar inscribed, ‘To an Unknown God.’ What therefore you unknowingly worship, I proclaim to you. So, according to Saint Paul, even the Ancient Greek could be said to worship the true God - albeit unknowingly.

@GummyDeer Жыл бұрын

Jesus did not come for peace but Truth.Peace achieved through lies has no worth whereas truth achieved through harshness is worthy in the eyes of God.

@penanceixx447 Жыл бұрын

Your analogies made sense to me. I was taken aback when I'd recently read this in the Catechism, but upon giving it a charitable read in order to test my own, admittedly emotional, presupposition I came to a similar understanding. I think we, the laity, and arguably even diocesan clergy tend to think colloquially whereas those that comprise the Magisterium think scholastically. Colloquially, heck no do Christians worship Allah and Muslims worship Jesus. But if you strip away all the preconceptions and associations and dilute the question to its rawest, most basic elements, then the answer is "technically." Perhaps a more palatable way of saying it, for Christians at least, is that Muslims worship Jesus, they just don't realize it (which isn't altogether different from how we might say pagans were worshipping demons and they just didn't realize it). May God bless you. Thank you for all that you do, and for tackling tough questions like this even knowing you'll get heat for it. The insightful perspective you provide is always worth it!

@mikazoftstrom2343 Жыл бұрын

I don’t think so. If you ask a Muslim if they worship Jesus, what would their response be? You can’t put words in their mouths with some sort of “charitable” interpretation. The only thing that can be said is they “think” they worship the God of Abraham.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

Falsehoods are NOT charitable. So it's NOT charitable to claim Catholics and Muslims worship the same God/god.

@Rachen1992 Жыл бұрын

It honestly seems a bit more of a semantic game than anything. Muslims worship the same god as a catholics as much as the ancient Greeks or the native tribes man. It's sort of similar to when St Thomas said that even the heathen like Aristotle can touch on divine truths. But just like so much that plagues the post modernist catholic world is ambiguity. One might be able to say that they are the same god technically but all it does is makes things confusing and unclear like many things of this pontificate. I do not understand why statements like this keep being said when they do nothing but drive people from the faith or lead those of weak faith even further down that path. It provides no good and is imprudent

@mikazoftstrom2343 Жыл бұрын

@@Rachen1992 can’t argue with that.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@@Rachen1992 The manipulation applied to make the false claim that Catholics and Muslims worship the same God is a semantics game and worse. Technically, Catholics and Muslims DON'T worship the same God. That the Muslim false god has *a few characteristics similar* to the Holy Trinity, does NOT make Allah and the Holy Trinity the same God. Allah is Satan; and Satan mimics Almighty God. So the idols, Satan deceives unbelievers with, will have a few similarities with the One True God.

@rdsmith8031 Жыл бұрын

Islam does not accept the Trinity and regards those who do as Polytheists. It would be useful to try to address this question from the Islamic point of view. Relying on Christian sources to "explain Islam" is akin to using the Koran to "explain Christianity" This

@bertpenney3526 Жыл бұрын

I have believed that Catholics and Muslims worship very different deities for a very long time. If you look at all of the Prophets in the Bible (and, I would include Jesus in that group. Yes, Jesus is far more the a mere Prophet, prophesy was a big part of His Ministry), they all had a few things in common: 1) the Jews are the chosen people of God; 2) the Jews have strayed from God; and 3) all of the Prophets provided a reconciliation strategy to get the Jews back on track. Yes, the individual prophecies were different in the actual reconciliation strategies but all had the same goal. Then, around 600 years after Jesus, along came Mohammed. He is presented as another in the long line of Prophets of the same God Jews and Christians worship. Yet, instead of recognizing who the Jews are and helping them to reconcile with God, he proclaimed that Jews are vermin who need to be eradicated. I can't see how anyone can believe that Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same God.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

CCC 841 Do you deny the Magisterium of the Catholic Church?

@bertpenney3526 Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558 Of course not. If you read CCC 841, you'll see that it says, in part, "these profess to hold the faith of Abraham". That does not mean that they actually _do_ hold the faith of Abraham, just that they profess to hold it. Evidence suggests otherwise.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@bertpenney3526"profess" is not used in any nuanced or technical sense within the source documents in V2. We really dont't concede anything by acknowledging this. Are Arianism and Nestorianism worshipers of different gods too?

@bertpenney3526 Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558 It doesn't have to be used in any nuanced or technical sense. Profess means to claim something is true that may or may not be true. Maybe Muslims believe that it is true, I don't know. But, this isn't a discussion on whether certain Muslim beliefs are true or not, it's a discussion on whether the god of Islam is the same as the God of Christianity. I believe that they are different, others disagree with me. Arianism and Nestorianism are both offshoots of Christianity that share most beliefs with Christianity but hold some beliefs that are heretical to Christianity. That does not describe Islam.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@bertpenney3526 You are totally correct!

@TnOrchidguy Жыл бұрын

Thank you, brother, thank you - your clarity of thought is always appreciated.

@RASharma11 5 ай бұрын

@EdgardoSilva-od3td Жыл бұрын

Brian you totally nailed it with your analogy. It’s very hard for people that know Islam and Christianity to understand why would someone say is the same God.

@نسيتكلمةالمرور-ذ5ب 7 ай бұрын

It's hard for Christians not for muslims

@RASharma11 5 ай бұрын

@danbeaulieu9575 Жыл бұрын

Keep up the good work Brian. I do understand what you're trying to say and I agree with you. It's just that it's very hard to explain this in a way that everybody understands it in the way the church is teaching it. If the church teaches it,you better believe it if you wanna be free from deception? Satan always strives to get you to disobey or doubt holy mother church because without her you will be deceived. Don't forget that the gates of hell shall not prevail. It is impossible for the Catechism of the Catholic Church to teach error.

@EasternRomeOrthodoxy Жыл бұрын

@@Roman-Labrador It doesn't matter if it is dogmatic or not - you are a Protestant heathen not a Christian. We Russian Orthodox don't like this Pope, but it is impossible for him to teach heresy or error from the majesterium!!

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@EasternRomeOrthodoxydidn't you just say you're a Muslim? Disgraceful, lying Mahometan.

@danbeaulieu9575 Жыл бұрын

The catechism of the Catholic church is part of the teaching magisterium ,therefore it cannot err.

@EasternRomeOrthodoxy Жыл бұрын

@@danbeaulieu9575 Exactly. These people have no reference at all and are ignorant on the basics of our faith, and I am saying that as an Orthodox. They talk as Protestants. The seat of Peter is infallible schism or not schism!

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@EasternRomeOrthodoxyyou're a Muslim and you're lying (Taqiyya). All part of your faith, I guess.

@raggedyman2257 Жыл бұрын

But the differences are fundamental, not superficial, or a difference of emphasis or quantity of worship.

@thomas-hall Жыл бұрын

They worship demons, not the same God. Moreover, how can you square this with "he who denies the son denies the father"? Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future by Fr. Seraphim Rose is a great book on exactly this topic. Highly recommend.

@Qwerty-jy9mj Жыл бұрын

There's a separate argument to be made that the quran is a demonic revelation but that wouldn't mean that by natural theology Muslims didn't come to eventually understand that there's only one God

@collingdale1 Жыл бұрын

I guess Jews worship a different God because they don't acknowledge the Son?

@Hebrew-World Жыл бұрын

Every single Hadith in islam that writes negative things about woemn were written by Christians 300 years after the prophets death. Become chaste for 5 -10 years and then study the Koran. God will open the truth for you only if you are worthy enough for his hevean . For that you need to be pure hearted. Truth be told you will always hate Islam or maybe all religion as a matter of fact. Make your heart pure. Become absolutely chaste. Body and heart. Do not do any sin even by biblical laws. Do not watch any lewd films or have any sort of acts that makes you worship another human being. For example thinking of people or getting into sexual relationships with someone. Stay sinless for one or two years and I swear on my life that you will become a believer of God and maybe even Islam. I have seen people who I have shown a million evidence to get them into believing in God religion Islam or even Christianity or Judaism which also came from the same god of Abraham, but they all hated religion even more violently. Then I realized god doesn't want them to worship Him or call into Him because God only allows the free hearted the sinless to believe in Him and come inside His religion. I promise you indeed you will become a believer if you become absolutely sinless. I challenge you to do it. And you know the funny part? Many many Muslims I personally know my own neighbors and my college classmates left Islam and completely started a war against all Muslims and Islam despite growing up in a very religious environment and being Muslim all their lives. I was so scared I thought once what if I become like them all? Then I realized that they all started sinning , sexual relationships with partners worshipping their lovers ,illicit erotic films, masturbating etc. I literally took at least several dozen interviews of ex Muslims and I swear every one of them were involved in some kind of sin. Yes some Muslims sin too but maybe they forget or repent really sincerely or feel so guilty that somehow god still keeps them inside religion because of their remorse but these people were proud sinners and they all I mean every single one of them left god and His religion. And I think these people are sexually active and still in islam are too dumb to obsess over sex. So please don't be upset at me and follow my challenge for one year to 5 years and come back and tell me if your heart is still the same. It’s not worth it to lose a true religion because of worshipping some lover. Every lover will take another lover the day you die. Why worship their body and leave religion. Why not try my challenge? You can fool everyone but never yourself or God. God only wants the purest heart to worship him and thus he makes everyone who is obsessed with selfish desire or lust or too much worshipping of other humans and too less love to leave the folds of his religion.

@billbadson7598 Жыл бұрын

_"They worship demons, not the same God. Moreover, how can you square this with "he who denies the son denies the father"?_ Do jews worship the same God as Christians?

@thomas-hall Жыл бұрын

Modern Jews? No. The Jewish prophets and kings? They are Christian and worship the same God.

@LeBillionn Жыл бұрын

Whenever a Muslim tells you that their god is the same as ours, say this: “I believe Jesus is God. He is one of the 3 persons of a Triune God. Do you?” Muslim: no There we go.

@agncxrx 8 ай бұрын

You just proved a christian god is not god of jews, i.e. of the original abrahamic faith

@thedon978 Жыл бұрын

Ask a Muslim if we worship the same God. Naïveté can be deadly, my friend.

@BrianHoldsworth Жыл бұрын

Which is why I don't form my theological beliefs based on the opinions of Muslims. 😉

@awesomemccoolname7111 Жыл бұрын

@@BrianHoldsworthI would hope not.

@anthonylaveque5612 Жыл бұрын

Ask a Muslim if the worship the holy Trinity my God was crucified, died and was buried, on the third day rose again. Obviously that doesn’t mean Muslim are not good people but my lord is the king of kings and the prince of peace.

@Qwerty-jy9mj Жыл бұрын

Muslims tend to say all worship goes to allah

@leejennifercorlewayres9193 Жыл бұрын

Yes, they do. Israelis just inserted lies into Muhammad with remote mind control weapons. They created Islam for an army to fight you.

@LottieMatiskella Жыл бұрын

This has been happening over the last 60 years. If you know what is in the koran, it does not appear to be the same God. I would like to know what was the magesterium before Vat. 2. I was brought up that we could not go to any other service at any time.

@latindwarf8173 Жыл бұрын

Vatican II. is not wrong. We both worship the God of Abraham, but they have some horrible views about him.

@Mike-qc8xd Жыл бұрын

Vatican 2 that explains alot

@controversialcatholic Жыл бұрын

Thank you for making this video. Even though I disagree with your conclusion, I appreciate your willingness to tackle this sticky subject in such a cordial manner, knowing full well that you'll be harshly criticized regardless.

@BrianHoldsworth Жыл бұрын

I'm honestly surprised by that. I basically compared Islam to the worship of Cain...

@tMatt5M Жыл бұрын

@@BrianHoldsworth But you see God the father was obvious to Cain. But the Trinity has now been revealed. God is Triune. If you take a leg out of the three legged stool the whole thing falls over.

@lyterman Жыл бұрын

His conclusion is straight out of magisterial documents. Not trying to be controversial or mean, but you aren't permitted as a faithful Catholic to disagree.

@tMatt5M Жыл бұрын

@@lyterman I guess St. John the Apostle and Bishop Athanasius Schneider aren't faithful Catholics then. Who knew.

@lyterman Жыл бұрын

@@tMatt5M In the off chance that you're genuinely asking in good faith, I'll answer. Assent isn't owed prior to magisterial teaching on something. That is why Thomas Aquinas held a position on the Immaculate Conception that is not permitted to a faithful Catholic today. Even with that caveat, there is a sense in which we can say that Muslims don't worship the same God, the sense that Brian explained in the video. But denying that there is a sense in which Muslims worship the same God as we do is a direct denial of magisterial teaching that is owed assent. Be careful with this, brother.

@iBringDaLULZ Жыл бұрын

The channel "Ready To Harvest" did an interesting video called "Are Mormons, Muslims, and Catholics Christian?", and I think it offers interesting overlapping insight into this matter on Christians and Muslims worshipping the same God.

@RASharma11 5 ай бұрын

@davidfleb Жыл бұрын

Doesn't the same argument apply to Judaism?

@StanleyPinchak Жыл бұрын

St. John says the answer is the same. Do they have the Son? If no, then they have not the Father either.

@YourBoyJohnny94 3 ай бұрын

No. God revealed himself to the Jews but not to the Muslims.

@trad-lite Жыл бұрын

The thinking of the Church on some current matters is already dated and decades behind. That's how far and fast things have taken a nose dive.

@kaleidoscopio1041 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for giving me this information to meditate. I have been reading how difficult it has been for the missionaries to reach out to the Muslim world and to convert them. In the core of my soul, I pray that more and more Muslims open the eyes of the faith and accept the Trinity. One God (same essence) and three persons (creation, verb, and spirit).

@salimkongoi6853 10 ай бұрын

We Muslims don't worship a man God....we worship the creator of the heavens and earth not the creation....we are not polytheist

@CarlJancorda 9 ай бұрын

As we are christian we're monotheistic

@leexmass 6 ай бұрын

@@CarlJancorda nah worshipping a man and a 3 headed God is pagan

@vu7904 Жыл бұрын

Using this logic, we can say people who worship Bal or Hindu Gods are also worshipping the Christian God.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

That's actually not correct. Hindu "gods" are not the God of Abraham/God of natural theology. Baal is also distinct from Yahweh in the Bible, so that too doesn’t work.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558 The Muslim god is also NOT the God of Abraham. Even if Muslims CLAIM that; it's NOT true. Allah is the Best of Deceivers in the Quran, who is the Father of Lies (Satan) in the Bible.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@francikoenif you aren't going to address natural theology proper, I don't care what you have to say

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558 You aren't going to address actual theology. I don't about your misinterpretation of natural theology.

@billbadson7598 Жыл бұрын

@@francikoen _"The Muslim god is also NOT the God of Abraham. Even if Muslims CLAIM that; it's NOT true."_ You are a liar

@bldbar118 Жыл бұрын

The theological evidence is not in dispute, but there are significant practical and cultural differences that CAN make a very REAL difference (for individual practitioners) that lead to a “different” God concept at the end. It is important to understand this “ending difference” does not point to an “initial difference.” It’s also important to say if two people end up with different God concepts then they do indeed (despite any theological points) “worship different Gods.” I hope whichever side people fall on they can see theology and practicality can have different lived realities that are BOTH valid and deserving of serious consideration in this question.

@mousakandah5188 Жыл бұрын

The earliest Christians and Saints who encountered Islam did not treat it as a different religion They treated it as a Christian Heresy The belief that Christians and Muslims worship the same God is ancient and dates before Vatican II for centuries.

@craigbritton3213 Жыл бұрын

Am I hearing you accurately? I want to be careful on this issue as far as I can be. So-the gods of the nations surrounding Israel under the Old Covenant, by your reasoning, must be seen as the one true God simply worshipped in a God-displeasing manner? In a word, "Doggone it! I dropped my baby into the fire. But that's just my way of worship. Don't accuse me of having a false god." Although I understand your position and have read Vatican II, I believe the issue goes "further back" to the issue of God's self-revelation. We know the God we worship BECAUSE He has made the step toward us in that revelation. And the record of what He has revealed we have in Holy Scripture. What has been "revealed" to Muhammed and those who accept his message is a very different god indeed. And that's where the discrepancies break your argument. Otherwise, the issue is only and always how WE INTERPRET God. That's a precarious position at best. Thank you for all your great work and your fair-minded and kind approach. Open to discussion. God's peace.

@tMatt5M Жыл бұрын

I won't unsubscribe but I did dislike. I can't square V2 with 1 John 22-23. If you deny the Son you deny the father. How can you worship a father you deny? Bishop Athanasius Schneider agrees with my position btw.

@leejennifercorlewayres9193 Жыл бұрын

Yes, they do. Israelis just inserted lies into Muhammad with remote mind control weapons. They created Islam for an army to fight you.

@BrianHoldsworth Жыл бұрын

It's possible to direct worship towards God without knowing him accurately and without that worship being of much merit - again the Cain and Abel example in the video. That's the argument made in the video. Please reconsider your reaction.

@tMatt5M Жыл бұрын

Cain and Able clearly worshiped the Same God, but it's 2023 and the Trinity has been revealed. The Bible clearly says if you deny the Father you deny the Son. Bishop Athanasius Schneider takes this position in his book Credo. Which does have an imprimatur.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@@BrianHoldsworth You are wrong. Allah is the Best of Deceivers, per the Quran, who is the Father of Lies (Satan), per the Bible. Totally different Gods. And "Allah has no son," per the Quran. Islam denies the Son, so they deny the Father. You deny the truth.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@francikoenyou're hysterical .

@paologat Жыл бұрын

Dawkins is a master of rhetoric, but his reasoning leaves much to be desired. Paraphrasing his quip: I don’t believe 2+2 equals 3, or 5, or pi, or Graham’s number; so I would be justified in rejecting one more answer, namely 4.

@awesomemccoolname7111 Жыл бұрын

No. Next question please.

@leejennifercorlewayres9193 Жыл бұрын

Yes, they do. Israelis just inserted lies into Muhammad with remote mind control weapons. They created Islam for an army to fight you.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

Next question: how do you square this answer with CCC 841? Do you reject the Magisterium of the Catholic Church?

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558 Catechisms are NOT infallible. There are several errors in the CCC. Muslims don't worship the same God as Catholics. Allah is the Best of Deceivers, in the Quran, who is the Father of Lies (Satan), in the Bible.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@francikoenwhat other errors are there in the CCC? How are you gauging these "errors"?

@awesomemccoolname7111 Жыл бұрын

@newglof9558 I'm a Protestant, so I reject a lot of what the Catholic Church teaches. I was raised Catholic, which is why I find channels like this one interesting.

@Forester- Жыл бұрын

Catechism of Pope Pius X 12 Q. Who are infidels? A. Infidels are those who have not been baptised and do not believe in Jesus Christ, because they either believe in and worship false gods as idolaters do, or though admitting one true God, they do not believe in the Messiah, neither as already come in the Person of Jesus Christ, nor as to come; for instance, Mohammedans and the like.

@FranciscoGarcia-mc8gj Жыл бұрын

Great job, Brian. I understood your point and agree. I have relatives who are Muslim and from what i learned from them about Islam is their understanding of God and form of worship is very different but "technically" the same God. It comes down to the way Islam came to be versus the way Christianity came to be. There is good reason to question the legitimacy of Islam based on how it was started. Not getting into that here in the comments.

@adamr9670 Жыл бұрын

Recently while thinking about this topic acts 17 and John 4 came to my mind. If it can be said that the pagan Athenians worshiped God but did not know him (intimacy) or that the samaritans worshiped what they do not know (intimacy) then can we not extend this same concept to Muslims? Or else would we have to suggest that God was pleased with this pagan worship? Certainly not!

@fionasmith6868 Жыл бұрын

No not the same God

@MPFXT Жыл бұрын

Yes - Brian! I appreciate your courage to speak up for Magisterial teaching on a controversial issue with a balanced view... AMDG

@ronmartinez2766 Жыл бұрын

Amazing. This video has been posted 52 minutes ago, and already there are 76 comments as of my posting this one. And what is obvious in the majority of these comments is that the response is to the title of the video, and not the content. Many of ya'll comment with strong opinions without even watching the video! One of the symptoms of our times.....😂😂😂

@mikazoftstrom2343 Жыл бұрын

To be fair, some comment in response to someone else’s comment.

@gavasiarobinssson5108 Жыл бұрын

I confess to this. I dont have to watch the video though.

@CaptainIvanDanko Жыл бұрын

If our God is a trinity, and theirs is not (from their own mouth), then NO we do not worship the same God. If I said to my friend at work, "Hey, do you know Mike?" And they were like, "Yeah, I know Mike. His son is Jimmy right?" "Noooo, this Mike doesn't have a son." Are we talking about the same person? Negative.

@pammilner7161 Жыл бұрын

Our God is a God of mercy. Can Islam say this? Don’t think so.

@billbadson7598 Жыл бұрын

Can judaism say it?

@AhmedOmran-ut2tz Жыл бұрын

😂

@sololoquy3783 Жыл бұрын

Well, they proclaim they worship the same god, but the nature of their god is so different, that it might be more honest to just say they're different. Think of God as the proper hierarchy of values, as put by Jonathan Pageau. The Chritian God have something like love and logos at the top, while the Islamic Allah have something like might and submission at the top. The rest of the hierarchy might be the same, but due to the different placement of what's really at the top, it trickles down and twist, so that "the fruit" is all together different.

@TPBass1224 Жыл бұрын

Nope.

@leejennifercorlewayres9193 Жыл бұрын

Yes, they do. Israelis just inserted lies into Muhammad with remote mind control weapons. They created Islam for an army to fight you.

@benry007 Жыл бұрын

Allah has 99 names, none of them are Yahweh. Allah was the name of a local pagan god. Muhammed claimed the old testament prophets but he had no right to. When Muhammed first had his revelations he thought it was a demon, his wife convinced him it was an angel instead dispite the fact that she didn't see it. Sometimes first impressions are correct.

@endrickdonitz6669 Жыл бұрын

Short answer: no. Long answer: quran 5:116 and quran 4:171 I recommend The Critical quran by Robert Spencer. And hey look up "god's two right hands" too its wild!

@markpugner9716 10 ай бұрын

Are you saying that it's because they reject the divinity of Jesus?

@Johannes-bu6np Жыл бұрын

Muslims deny the Trinity - therefore they deny God as He has revealed Himself through Jesus. The Jews do the same. They absolutely do not worship the true God, no matter what they subjectively think. There is only 1 God who has 3 Divine Persons in His inseparable Being - Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If you deny one of the Persons, you deny the whole God. You cannot worship only one Person of the Blessed Trinity without worshipping a false god, because in principle you deny His other Persons, which is a denial of His Unity. Any other read on this is condemned heresy 1000 times over. Read the Creed of St. Athanasius! The Newchurch has led many to unwittingly deny this dogmatic truth by playing/praying with heretics/pagans/jews - which are all false religions. There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, because only Catholics have the true worship of the true God with all of its necessary revealed truth that comes with it. Deny one truth of the Faith and you do not have the true Faith but a fake faith that cannot save. Blessed be the one and only Triune God now and forever!

@StanleyPinchak Жыл бұрын

The Orthodox are correct to condemn Ecumenism. It is fraught with perils and heresies are its fruit.

@Anonymousduck161 Жыл бұрын

Short answer: no Long answer: also no

@mangaranwow2543 Жыл бұрын

When two persons had a talk with a man, and the first person hears from the man, i have a son, and the second person gets the reply, i have no son. Did the two persons talk to the same man? Now the first person asks the man how he views other people, and the man responds, i see them as my children, while the second person, asking the same question gets the reply from the man, i view them as my slaves. Did the two persons speak with the same man? Now i could go and make these comparisons all day, but i think it is better for Xians, to discover these for yourself, since it will then be ten times more powerful. If we want to reconsile Islam with Christinanity, we would have to let go of so much holiness of God, that would remain is an entity not worthy of worship.

@mikazoftstrom2343 Жыл бұрын

Good points, all. I think they say Islam and Christians worship the same God only in that they both believe it’s the God of Abraham. That’s really the only characteristic the two have in common.

@joan8862 Жыл бұрын

No Catholic is trying to reconcile Islam with Christianity.

@billbadson7598 Жыл бұрын

_"When two persons had a talk with a man, and the first person hears from the man, i have a son, and the second person gets the reply, i have no son. Did the two persons talk to the same man?"_ Do jews acknowledge Christ as one third of the trinitarian God, or do they consider him a false preacher? Do jews and christians worship the same God?

@mangaranwow2543 Жыл бұрын

@@billbadson7598 Jews acknowledge that the Christ figure is God in the flesh. You can also read that in the bible, old and new testament. And the 1st commandment the Jews received says± Shama Yisrael, Yaweh, Eluhenu, Yaweh Echad. Three Gods, are referenced here, but they are one. If you have more questions, i am happy to answer them.

@StanleyPinchak Жыл бұрын

@@billbadson7598 Modern rabbinic judaisms have anathematized the "Two Powers" of heaven understanding that many jews of Second Temple period held.

@collingdale1 Жыл бұрын

I'll wait for Michael Loftus to fact check your video 😎

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

CCC 841

@Jean_sans_peur Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@Marchondrez Жыл бұрын

Follow Bob at speakers corner or Sam Shamoun or christian prince, Jay Smith etc... their God Allah and ours Yahweh are not the same. Also they don't have a name for God i.e. Allah which simply means God in Arabic.

@agncxrx 8 ай бұрын

God should not have a name lol. Yahweh is just a word from hebrew language. God has existed long before hebrews and their language and this word "yahweh" came into existence

@lsimmo78 Жыл бұрын

The Muslim god is the antithesis of the Christian God.

@Psalm_xxiii Жыл бұрын

I have to disagree on this one. Muslims do not believe in the same God, because our God is a Trinity, always was. Therefore the God they worship must be a false one. Thats like saying, anyone can make up their own God, just so they can say they're not atheists and we have to agree with it to legitimise our own claims for our God. That is exactly what you shouldn't do, that weakens our argument for the one true Trinitarian God. It doesn't work that way.

@YankeeWoodcraft Жыл бұрын

Then you disagree with the Catholic Church... Catechism of The Catholic Church 841 "The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

@Psalm_xxiii Жыл бұрын

@@YankeeWoodcraft This was never taught prior to Vatican II. I agree with Jesus Christ who is the head of the Catholic Church. Read John 8:39-59. Jesus says In verse 42 "If God were your father you would love me". And then verse 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires.

@danbeaulieu9575 Жыл бұрын

Even though we don't fully understand this teaching you have to believe what the church teaches. In the same way the Church has always taught that there is no salvation outside of The Catholic Church. But everyone should know that It doesn't mean that only Catholics are saved. As soon as you're baptized you are automatically part of the Catholic church even though you are visibly outside of her. But if the Catholic Church ,if it where possible was to go out of existence, nobody could be saved.

@joan8862 Жыл бұрын

I also understand it to mean that if a non-Catholic were saved, it would not be by their religion, say Buddhist, Hindu, etc., but by the merits of Jesus and His Catholic Church that others can be saved.

@danbeaulieu9575 Жыл бұрын

You are absolutely correct you understand the teachings of our church

@krelly90277 Жыл бұрын

Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

CCC 841 Do you deny the Magisterium of the Catholic Church?

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@vipinjoseaGod in Islam and God in Catholicism are both the God of natural theology and are the same. This does not mean that the Mahometan understanding of God is correct. I, too, am disgusted with their fallacious understanding of God. With that said, it's still the God of Abraham. It's still heretical. I don't know why Christians get so bent out of shape about this. You concede nothing to the Mahometan by acknowledging this. In fact, you deny a Dawahgandist a whole line of propaganda by acknowledging this.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@vipinjoseawhy was it understood as a Christian heresy for the first millennium of its existence?

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@vipinjoseathat's great and all, but what part of that claimed that Christians and Mahometans don't worship the same God? You guys think these concedes so much more than it does. Islam is a false religion and Mahomet was a liar, murderer, pdf file, false prophet who was likely under demonic influence. With that said, Islam and Christianity are both natural theology religions. Ergo, the God in each religion is the God of natural theology. The revelations are different, so there's irreconcilable differences about the nature of the God of natural theology between these two groups. Differences aside, it's still the same God. You kvetching about how terrible Islam is isn't going to convince me (a. Because I know how terrible Islam is, and b. It doesn’t actually argue with mine or the Church's main point here). Try again.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558 The CCC is NOT Infallible and it is WRONG. Catholics and Muslims don't worship the same God.

@AFutureLegend Жыл бұрын

What is that beautiful light behind you on and where can I get one? ❤️ 😊

@andresnunez9830 Жыл бұрын

No!

@leejennifercorlewayres9193 Жыл бұрын

Yes, they do. Israelis just inserted lies into Muhammad with remote mind control weapons. They created Islam for an army to fight you.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

CCC 841 Do you reject the Magisterium of the Catholic Church?

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558 Catechisms are NOT infallible. The CCC is wrong in several places. The answer is NO.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@yvonetubla7682 Did you catch my drift?

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@yvonetubla7682 You finally caught on!

@andreas8185 Жыл бұрын

William Lane Craig have written an interesting answer to a muslim asking him a question about God being all-loving - loving people before doing good deeds and before haveing the right faith. Islam don´t view God as all-loving. The Quran repeats time after time that God does not love unbelievers and sinners. They have a very different God.

@saialluri9582 Жыл бұрын

So an all loving God burns certain people for eternity for not believing in him?

@andreas8185 Жыл бұрын

I had similiar questions before I converted to Catholicism and had to study a lot of apologetics to better understand issues like this. One very short answer: All Christian denominations don¨t believe in suffering in hell (like the lutheran Church of Sweden that denies hell). Some believe that the burning-stories in the Bible are parables and only means the death of both soul and body - like the atheist believes death is the complete end of life. The Catholic Church belives in hell and prugatory. Purgatory can be seen as a cleansing and training camp for heaven (Christian heaven is not a fun place if the only things you care about is vices, so you need to train your vices away and start to appreciate the good things like heavenly music and love of all people). Catholicism doesnt claim to know of any persons that God has punished with hell - not even heathens and great enemies of the faith. It only claims to know about persons being in paradise (saints). God does not actively burn people in hell. But God gives everyone freedom to deny God. Hell is existence without God. In hell you are completely segregated from God, and that only happens becouse those persons themselves shuts God out from their souls and choose themselvses to not be on good terms with God. @@saialluri9582

@saialluri9582 Жыл бұрын

@andreas8185 this is quite interesting. Thank you for the response. So if that really is the case, why all these conversion missions, etc, that we witness in history? If a person that's relatively decent goes to purgatory let's say because his major fault was not being a believer then isn't it possible that he will eventually receive God's grace and join him? If this is the case, why do we such fanatic acts of violence in the name of the bringing the people to truth as in the case of the Goan inquisition among others? Even today, we see them exploiting an individuals poverty etc to gain converts and in the process create conflict. How is this love exactly? The response may be that bad people do things using God's name but clearly you can't put aside the correlation when you consistently see atrocities being committed.

@andreas8185 Жыл бұрын

@@saialluri9582 Perhaps others here can give a better answer. I will try, though. There is a teaching that the fullness of faith are only within the Catholic Church. So if we look for God´s grace we are more assured getting it being close to Christ, who ultimately decides if we go to heaven. The Church is Christs mystical bride and body, and the people in the church are members of that body. The church also helps in keeping us on the right path on good terms with God and with the right faith in Jesus. Historically the teaching about salvation within the Church (and not outside) was stricter. But there has always been room for the biblical teaching in Romans chapter 2 and other places, that God judges everyone according their own conscience, because God put that coincience/law in them as human beings (all human beings). The Church should not be indifferent when it comes to the faith of people because everyone needs, at least at their final moment or at judgement after death, to be able to say Yes to God (and no to ungodliness). We don´t know what counts as being sufficient when it comes to following the conscience God has given our nature/essence. I think we need to be able to see our own foults and be willing to ask God for forgiveness, mercy and salvation. So we should not be hardened followers of philosophies, ideologies and religions that makes us unwilling to hand ourselves over to God and God´s will. That would be dangerous. The Church has made a lot of errors with horrible concequences for people throughout history. It has apologized at different points in official documents and in speaches by popes. But it is difficult of course to just accept an appolgy after so many cruel things being done. We also want to understand why. The easy answer is that the errors comes from men and not God. Historically there was more emphasis on law, doctrine and judgement among many theologians in charge, rather than love, conscience, natural law, tolerance and acceptance of free will. When it comes to the natural law/international law/human rights, it is something that church theologians and canon lawyers only gradually developed after actual situations occurring and it was completely undeveloped at the beginning when som european nations became global empires. Some of the evil being done by christians was being enforced by secular wordly rulers, rather than clergy. Sometimes even clergy opposed. But I think you already know and understand a lot of these things.

@KA-uk9sp Жыл бұрын

Short answer: NO, NO, NO ! For the details watch full video ;)

@leejennifercorlewayres9193 Жыл бұрын

Yes, they do. Israelis just inserted lies into Muhammad with remote mind control weapons. They created Islam for an army to fight you.

@ishofarabia 6 ай бұрын

As an ex Muslim, I must say I have a hard time understanding how the church can say our God is the same as their god. I have never met an ex Muslims Christian, rather they have become Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox, that believes we worship the same God as Muhammad. The difference is not just in their description, but their nature in itself.

@rraddena Жыл бұрын

NO, their god is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; the TRIUNE GOD.

@leejennifercorlewayres9193 Жыл бұрын

Yes, they do. Israelis just inserted lies into Muhammad with remote mind control weapons. They created Islam for an army to fight you.

@markpugner9716 11 ай бұрын

Why not? How do you know?

@rraddena 11 ай бұрын

@@markpugner9716 history and by reading their koran. Nope, not the same God.

@markpugner9716 11 ай бұрын

@@rraddena But why not?

@rraddena 11 ай бұрын

@@markpugner9716 I told you.

@Charlotte_Martel Жыл бұрын

Here's the real question: is the God of the Bible and the Book of Mormon the same one? Mohammed's presentation of Allah was heavily influenced by interactions with Jewish/Christian merchants, so it's easy to see that He is a continuation of the Biblical god (at least in theory). Joseph Smith's god OTOH is strikingly different from the God of the Bible and is a physical being who is physically intimate with human women. Not remotely the same god IMO.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

Mormons are henotheistic and do not worship the same God as Christians, Jews or Muslims.

@Arkangilos Жыл бұрын

The god of Islam has traits more akin to Satan than to the Christian God.

@Devoted_Catholic777 Жыл бұрын

We obviously worship the same God but have very different understanding same with Christians many Christians have very different understandings of God but we still worship the same God they just have a false understanding. Also I got distracted skipped back through the video and cut to Brian saying he had to go to the washroom on the video out of context found that funny

@Polack21 Жыл бұрын

And this is exactly why I'm so thankful for the SSPX

@Polack21 Жыл бұрын

@@Roman-Labrador They are faithful to Tradition and have always been within the bosom of the Church. Archbishop Lefebvre will be canonized a saint in the future.

@Brian17177 Жыл бұрын

That's interesting because you'll find in St. Pope Pius X's catechism that Muslims admit one true God. Are you not in agreement with your groups namesake own catechism?

@tMatt5M Жыл бұрын

@@Roman-Labrador St Joan of Ark died outside of the Church

@tMatt5M Жыл бұрын

@@Brian17177 Admitting and worship are two different things

@Brian17177 Жыл бұрын

@@tMatt5M Admitting meaning recognizing and believing in one true God. Meaning they are not different deities.

@elvolvasky69 Жыл бұрын

No the islam is an arian heresy

@leejennifercorlewayres9193 Жыл бұрын

Yes, they do. Israelis just inserted lies into Muhammad with remote mind control weapons. They created Islam for an army to fight you.

@Qwerty-jy9mj Жыл бұрын

islam is a nestorian heresy.

@RedOblivion7 Жыл бұрын

By calling it a heresy you are implying it is the same God that it is being worshipped.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@RedOblivion7do Christians and Muslims both not worship the God of natural theology?

@RedOblivion7 Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558 I am responding to the fact that he said no

@michellemarie1197 Жыл бұрын

Hey random question in your background where did you get that lantern thats on your bookshelf? It looks pretty and warm, i would love to gey oje

@billyhw99 Жыл бұрын

No.

@leejennifercorlewayres9193 Жыл бұрын

Yes, they do. Israelis just inserted lies into Muhammad with remote mind control weapons. They created Islam for an army to fight you.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

CCC 841 Do you reject the Magisterium of the Catholic Church?

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558 Catechisms are NOT infallible, so Catholics can and do reject parts of the CCC, without even a venial sin.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@francikoenDoes Fidei Depositum agree? Does the Catechism not have a nihil obstat/imprimatur?

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

@@newglof9558 Bishops Schneider's book "Credo" has an imprimatur and his book disagrees with you and agrees with me.

@leemichelesweeney2614 Жыл бұрын

Please explain meaning of: Exodus 20 3-4 You shall have no other gods before me. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God.

@YankeeWoodcraft Жыл бұрын

In context, God was talking to the Jews when they were pagans. In the context of this video, Muslims accept the God of Abraham which makes them believers in God. Plus, the Catholic Church teaches clearly that they do believe in God: Catechism of The Catholic Church 841 "The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

@AntonAchondoa Жыл бұрын

Short answer is yes, all Abrahamic Religions worship the same God. The key differences are in the understanding and descriptive language used to gesture toward God. From a Christian viewpoint, Muslims simply misaprehend Jesus' Divine and Human nature as well as lack a concept of the Trinity.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

This is correct and the comments on this video are ridiculous and histrionic.

@miroo4097 Жыл бұрын

The muslims say Allah is Father to no one, and the only relationship we could have is that of a slave to master. Islams only limit on weather you can have sex with a women is if you are married and you can fit inside her (there is no age limit and they expressly promote polygamy). In islam their have is one of debauchery and unending sex... literally. In Islam allah literally describes himself as The Greatest of Deceivers. When Mohammed confronted in the cave he believed it was a demon and was going to kill himself to save his soul from possession. Until his Pagan Wife and her brother convinced him that he was a messager of allah. In the Quran the call Jesus Isa which isn't Jesus's name in Arabic (remember the Quran is supposed to be flawless and without error) it was Yasu. Then there's the fact that hat Mohammed got god to approve of prostitution - sorry "Temporary marriage" for a night so they could lay with whores. Then there is where Allah "spoke" through Mohammed and gave him and his sodiers to rape married women as long as they aren't muslim......NO they aren't the same God. Oh yeah i can not think of one of gods prophets who married and slept with a child while middle aged. For refrence Mohammed was a 53 yr old man who married Aisha at the age of and when she was 9 slept with her. It gets worse she was still playing with dolls and on her swing when he lay with her. In Islam dolls are traditonally considered images which is forbidden so only recognized prepubescent child were allowed to play with them. Christ took up a chorded whip to drive money lenders and heathens that polluted the temple what would you think he would say to even the thought that Allah and God The Father are the same.

@francikoen Жыл бұрын

The correct answer is NO. Muslims and Talmudic Jews DON'T worship the same God as Catholics. Allah is the Best of Deceivers, who is the Father of Lies (Satan), in the Bible. Jews reject Christ and blaspheme Him. Neither Jews nor Muslims worship the God of Abraham.

@newglof9558 Жыл бұрын

@@francikoenwhatever hysterical boy

@christophersnedeker Жыл бұрын

Didn't the jews calling Cyrus the great messiah suggest they and zorastrians worship the same God? If they worship the same God despite their differences wouldn't that suggest muslims do to?

@YankeeWoodcraft Жыл бұрын

Catechism of The Catholic Church 841 "The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

@miller4190 Жыл бұрын

lol no. Here it is in Spanish: lol no

@leejennifercorlewayres9193 Жыл бұрын

Yes, they do. Israelis just inserted lies into Muhammad with remote mind control weapons. They created Islam for an army to fight you.

@信者の男 11 ай бұрын

Considering that's beyond human understanding what is God and thus we only have approximations or pictures of what He is. They do worship the same God, but Wahhabis (so-called Muslims that liken God to His creation) do not.

@Kelgoran Жыл бұрын

I met a former Muslim once who became Christian after reading the Quran. The Quran has a special reverence for Christ. I'll be the first to admit that I believe that Jesus is the only way, and I believe that Islam has an imperfect, if not false, understanding of God. But I think the emphasis should be on sharing what we know about Christ, not criticizing false religions. I would prefer to show Christ's love than to judge others.

@jamesbuchanan3145 Жыл бұрын

Yeah that's all well and good, but false teachings must be called out where they are found. Christianity fought *wars* against the demonic religion of Islam for centuries. Do we have to be so harsh about it now? *Maybe* Islam is a *conquering* religion. Don't think they're going to be as nice about it as you are.

@Ezekiel336-16 Жыл бұрын

Saint Paul and the prophet Elijah disagree with you. Judgement is a blessing into salvation when it's used to wake up those who are blinded by false beliefs and related practices. Judgement always comes before salvation does. In Christ, Andrew