Do Fighters Make Better Archers Conan Exiles 2020

[@randeroo2]

Thank you! When I read the title I was like thinking "NOOOOOO!" as I just surrounded my base with archers, I was concerned :)

[@Ropey13]

More effort went into this video than ive put into my entire life.

[@steveba50]

Thanks for doing these videos fS your efforts much appreciated

[@mareus12]

Firespark you are the best conan exiles youtuber, you go to the end of the earth to do all this, keep it going 🤗

[@josephprice6341]

I SOOOO use your videos for a guide, truly! Thank you sir.

[@Anabriella]

Awesome video. Thanks for your efforts 👏

[@neverware767]

Great video thanks for keeping me up on this stuff

[@deofol4474]

Is it possible with range the additional variable is distance?

[@alexandrecesar8297]

Please! Pretty please!! Just do a fire range damage for all archers so we now who is the best one. Is that we want to know... nobody want a archer to go on a melee... we want them on tower shooting arrows

[@devilsadvocate1597]

@2:03 have you noticed pony tails make fantastic beards?

[@MrCakedo]

The video I’ve been waiting for! Thanks!!!!!

[@zotLek1337]

What about beastmaster teimos? He is a fighter with accuracy

[@Chas-OTE]

Fighters do love their accuracy perks...

[@Kamn_exe]

Could we build for armor penetration?

[@Anabriella]

It's sooo bloody frustrating :s

[@timothyhouse1622]

When they get accuracy perks i rename them Red Shirt and put them on purge defense like the failures they are.

[@OBPRafaelSantos]

have you ever retried this on 3.0?

[@SSGoatanks]

He should have tested the relic hunter archers vs the fighters

[@woolenthreads]

With regards to the damage: It occurs to me that the default arrow is probably the bone arrow which is 6 points of damage. I think that the Archers will use the highest damage arrow they have until they run out, but they can never run out of the default arrow. So the extra "5%" is probably the thralls using the default arrow rather than the modified arrow. I suggest testing with the ironhead arrows (the flint does 6 too) which does 9 damage unfortunately the next step up does 12. If the damage is equal to the multiplier times 109 approximately, you'll have identified the extra damage.

[@filopat67]

Flint arrows are the default arrows. Those are what npc archers use if nothing else is provided for them.

[@woolenthreads]

As I said, the Flint arrows also do 6 points, if they are the default arrow the damage value should be 105-107 depending on rounding. I'm pretty certain that the special modified arrows that FS81 gave to the test thralls never got used at all. Sorry, it probably seems like I'm arguing with you, but I'm not. It's just that the bone and flint arrows do the same damage, so, whichever one is used, the result would be the same.

[@shuyostarwind6157]

I have an archer II that is lvl6 and every point has gone into acc it is hitting really hard but it's gotten 0 vit so it only has 750hp still considering leveling it to see if this continues

[@seanowens3153]

750hp? Feels bad man

[@klimsat]

Firespark, can you give a link to your test weapons mod with 100 damage 100 penetration?

[@klimsat]

I created a public mod with test weapons Link - steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1973613838

[@GregWilson04]

@@klimsat Thanks.

[@Maveroik]

Nice vid dude i rly want to use archer in game but my friends and I rent a server and do not know what it is but archer after killing something do not stop shooting to the air while walking to random point in the map for no reason, all thralls do that, happend when thralls use a bow even if the thrall is an archer or fighter, help?

[@Clan.Bourbon]

Could the mystery bonus be based on arrow type?

[@Sysiu]

(100 damage from bow x 3.36 ) + 17 = 353, does your set accuracy command reset bonus damage along with the acc?

[@willkyles68]

Anyone else know why every fighter I get comes with like 15-30 base acc and then almost exclusively levels acc? And then the archers I get always have way higher strength stats

[@afaurens]

base stats depend on the faction. High accuracy (probably) is relic hunters, high strength is lost tribe (and maybe volcano)

[@darrylelam256]

@@afaurens Yea, but their growth seems to be completely random.

[@BoildownAH]

Just a guess but Black Hand faction has easy to get fighters and Nordheimers have easy to get archers and those are the ones you're thralling.

[@OcihEvE]

Prior to the mounts DLC and attributes it was a 'thing' to make Relic Hunter Treasure seeker fighters and put them on a wall with a bow. That was likely a poor decision too because there was likely always a bias to ranged with melee and bias to melee for Archer. Back then nobody delved in to the multipliers for Follower thralls though and all information was based on raw damage from the weapons and ammo. What I might suggest is you do this with no ammo. Let them all use auto fill flint. The quirky numbers might be coming from the modded ammo and a second damage addition tied to the way Ammo and Bow combine. My guess is, the ammo is actually giving a percentage of the bow and the ammo damage numbers are fake in a way. So for example, a razor arrow gives 50% of the bow where a howllowbone gives 100% of the bow for us but with a Thrall it has its own set of percentages. In the case of Fighters, that is zero but an Archer like Dina or Freya, you can find get Hollowbone effect without using Hollowbone. A Dragonebone bow and Star metal arrows will give them 200%. Everything in Conan Engine seems to be a percentage stacking system. That's why I am drawing these conclusions. Back to the Vid. No, Dalinsia isn't going to out damage a Relic Hunter treasure Seeker Archer with a bow. I know that from game play. Relic Hunter treasure Seeker Archers are from what I can tell, top dog with a bow. Not including Purge Archers. Mostly because they start with high Accuracy and aren't prone to getting strength perks the way Dina and Freya are.

[@OcihEvE]

Side note for others. I have leveled Archers and Fighters on Private and Official servers. The Archer perks on a fighter, Fighter perks on an Archer is showing up on Official servers. Private? Not so much. Are they engineering results to push us to rent servers? It does look that way to me.

[@king_locbokgaming8381]

What about the food you feed that thralls doesn't it give more damage points too

[@adrianakuzmikova1697]

11:10 he wants to escape! did you put him there against his will? :O

[@Firespark81]

I would never put a human in a pen against their will or make them push a wheel until they lost the will to live or fight back.

[@hazarddadoughboy3252]

You have to get the thalls from Buccaneer Bay and the swamp

[@cacherow]

Keep up the good work! What clothes are you using in this?

[@kennyboi01]

Sorry to seem toxic good video💙

[@Acirno]

What is the damage from thrown weapons from, I would assume its ranged, it's not grate but its fun watchin a fighter chip away then finish off with a sword.

[@Morgadus]

Hey spark, i was wondering if you could make a video about the thralls stat grow chance probability, like spawning 500 Dalinsia the snowhunter (since its the best thrall) and check how much of them got a str grow chance higher than 85, between 85 and 65 or under 65 (for example) and check their other stats as well ofc. Do that offcamera and At the video you show us the graph or so, i think it would make an awesome video since i cant find anything similar anywhere.

[@Morgadus]

I tried it myself with 100 fighter thralls (Dalinsia) and this were the results in case someone is interested: 90% STR grow chance - 3% 85% STR grow chance - 6% 80% STR grow chance - 10% 75% STR grow chance - 20% 70% STR grow chance - 20% 65% STR grow chance - 11% 60% STR grow chance - 17% 55% STR grow chance - 11% 50% STR grow chance - 2% Notes: - The probability of spawning with 60% str grow chance must be lower than with 65%. It doesnt in this case because i only tested 100 thralls, it was probably bad luck. - Of that 100 thralls only 3 spawn with 85% VIT grow Chance and another 3 with 90%. - The other 3 stats (Agi, Acc & Surv) were always between 40% and 65% so they must be limited to that(check last note). - Their Stats grow chance combined is always 295%, which means the best possible combination is around 90str 40agi 85vit 40acc 40surv. - Any value higher or lower than those might be possible but the chances are lower than 1%.

[@yosoyhansolo]

@@Morgadus That's what heroes do. Thanks

[@MrFatbard]

what warpaint is that?

[@billbell8138]

Extra dmg maybe comes from the flinthead arrow that all bow users get with no arrows equipped?

[@Zankaroo]

So can any of the pets handle the stronger bosses or are thralls in epic/legendary gear the only option for that. I mean I know the saber hits like a truck but it has shit armor in comparison, I know you listed the scorpion as the jack of all trades pet but its AI seems really stupid and doesn't attack enough where the boar seems to attack constantly.

[@bakugann99]

Is it possible that the bonus bow dmg is from Armor penetration, because of they base armor that's different for every thrall?

[@TobbeDraws]

FS81:"6000-5647=553" are you sure about that? :D makes your whole test a little bit wonky and questionable... FS81 calculation skills on point :D OR am I missing something?

[@Firespark81]

I meant 353. I'm a bit dyslexic.

[@Firespark81]

Also, that's just me saying the wrong number. The math is still sound and you can do it yourself. Because I show you the numbers in the video. So no it does not make the test wonky and questionable.

[@mayconlima2857]

Fire spark thanks for all your videos, could you please let me know where this Dina is located?

[@SixBadges]

I have often found Dina near The Breach. According to the wiki, she also spawns near Freya's Hovel. conanexiles.gamepedia.com/Dina,_Master_huntress

[@larsordelmans2887]

Hey @FireSpark81 great video man. Did you notice that the damage increase is 10%? Like with the expected 20 damage from accuracy it is 120 but it is 132 which is 10% more. Keep it up!

[@Firespark81]

Hmmm... no, I did not put that connection together. That is interesting.

[@larsordelmans2887]

@@Firespark81 i will do some testing soon (probably Monday evening (CET)) to see if it always is the 10%. If i find something I'll post in below this message.

[@alucardbelmont7756]

In ps4 archers have a bug when some one hit or change to melee stop shooting

[@gam-sheicaemean8517]

Great vid sir but just wondering at the end of the vid where was thrall trying to go.

[@Anabriella]

He was late for a meeting...

[@gam-sheicaemean8517]

@@Anabriella LMFAO your great

[@flashclynes]

Is bonus damage the distance the arrow traveled before hitting the target ?

[@Firespark81]

Not that I can tell. It seems to increase with damage.

[@jay2thedub]

You did a video about how archer thralls miss alot and fighter thralls don't.

[@Acesahn]

In 2022 I wonder what the difference between archers and fighters are now? The only math we see is agility damage and strength damage.

[@Darcinda]

Great vid

[@viktorhammering6102]

Can’t find the video (or I dozed off 3 times in a row) but can’t find the video where you mention the thrall that hits harder than Arena champ?

[@findood8491]

Should I capture a archer thrall and equip him for melee (still has the bow), Or give bow and arrows in addition, to my fighter thrall?

[@rembrandtshadows]

So what kind of thrall do want to have? A melee or a missile thrall?

[@Taemien]

I don't feel like downloading a 160GB modkit to confirm this (I haven't made a mod in over a year, so if anyone has it updated could probably confirm or dispute this). But the extra damage from attacks is likely the 'combo' bonus damage. Every attack in a combo has a bonus applied, it might be 0% bonus damage, or it could be as high (IIRC) as 50% bonus damage for finishers. This is why when you use different combinations of light and heavy attacks in a combo, you see different numbers. Usually the first light or heavy in a combo has no bonus, which is why in testing a 100dmg weapon does 100dmg without STR. With that said, I'm not entirely sure the bonus from light attacks from bow is 0% It is likely higher. And its something I've noticed while playing recently playing a character that uses a bow to soften up targets before meleeing and I'm seeing higher dmg than expected. I assume that thralls use the same combo modifiers. For the sake of argument, assume the bow has 1 hit combos.

[@damonfedorick]

Its pretty clear since ive been playing after the thrall leveling system , that the title (ARCHER) and (FIGHTER) mean nothing anymore, its just about what faction you get them from.

[@bronysaiyan5236]

Mostly yeah my cannibal brute does more damage than my berserker sometimes but my Lian smokes them both by a lot

[@seanowens3153]

@@bronysaiyan5236 how are you testing that? Beserker has one of the highest base damage multiplier, pretty sure health is way higher as well, beserker would eat that cannibal hahaha

[@bronysaiyan5236]

@@seanowens3153 the rolls and perks oddly make a huge difference

[@justicegaming1801]

With all of the Archer perks I've been getting I'm beginning to think lol

[@justicegaming1801]

"You're thralls swimming lessons have really paid off you have gamed plus 5 underwater breathing but due to The Times almost drowning you lose 10 vitality"

[@TobbeDraws]

@@justicegaming1801 wth xD who gave the devs the drugs?

[@justicegaming1801]

@@TobbeDraws dont know man😂😂

[@adrianakuzmikova1697]

is there some heavy armor that gives heat protection and bonus encumbrance other than ugly basic heavy armor?

[@Kull707]

Adriana Kuzmikova silent legion

[@adrianakuzmikova1697]

@@Kull707 I know about silent legion, but it doesnt give bonus encumbrance I need. I need +9 encumbrance and heat protection on heavy armor.

[@Kull707]

Adriana Kuzmikova flawless Yamatai demon armor - bonus encumbrance, two bars heat resistance. Maybe DLC (took it in a raid).

[@adrianakuzmikova1697]

@@Kull707 that is medium armor. I need heavy armor with heat resistance and bonus encumbrance. it looks like basic heavy armor is the only set.

[@hoolahoopa91]

Maybe the extra dmg is coming from crit hits.

[@adamdusenberry6455]

Beast master temos. That's the best fighter thrall archer.

[@timrichie9788]

I think in some cases where a fighter gets all archer perks then they may be better than their average archer. Depends on perks I believe.

[@filopat67]

You tested this with every npc having the same accuracy and got this result, and it's fine and correct. However I've noticed that all my fighter thralls have higher probability to level up their accuracy and all my archers have higher probability to level up their strenght, and almost always when they level up fighters do get more acc and archers more str. As you show in the video accuracy has some secret multiplier and the result of this test could be different with "real life" fully levelled npc's compared to these unified test thralls, because while archers base ranged damage is higher than fighters, the accuracy bonus those fighters get and archers don't get may be significant at the higher levels.

[@Firespark81]

in extreme cases yes maybe a fighter will do more than an archer but it is going to be a rare case with a crap archer. Acc does add more damage but I think the hidden damage is from the bow itself.

[@darrylelam256]

@@Firespark81 Sadly I seem to be always facing those extreme cases. My archers never seem to get good ACC growth while my fighters do. I mean why the hell does a fighter start with 15ACC and 100% ACC growth, yet a archer starts with 0 ACC and 45% ACC growth?

[@altrego9866]

Да. Вот и скажи теперь после этого что игра просто про выживания. У меня от цифр голова кругом)))

[@TheSlitTickler]

Before these updates wasn't it fighters who did higher dps with bows?

[@bokvarv1926]

try this with a lvl 1 character, just to see if the damage bonus there is related to levels. I have noticed that when in single player and I admin my self to 60, without alocating anything to attributes, I stiil get a boost to both stamina and health, so it could be you actually get damage bonus from levels

[@bronysaiyan5236]

You dont get any buffs of attributes could be what armor you were wearing

[@tenthgen4947]

how did you get your hp so high i cant get mine over 500 no matter what i do. i only use offline though

[@Firespark81]

mod

[@markwaldonjohnson]

I keep trying this game and love it but can't handle losing all my stuff every time I die. Is there a way to stop this happening? Thanks for vid.

[@iperc3pti0ni50]

Yes, are you playing on ofícias? Or single player?

[@markwaldonjohnson]

@@iperc3pti0ni50 I play the single player and I choose the option that says you will not lose all your stuff when you die. I deleted the gisme and reinstalled it but still the same. Think it's bugged out or something. I give up with it.

[@Sherralyn]

Once logged on, go to settings, then server settings. In that section there are many options to choose from including NOT loosing weapons when killed. It really helps

[@markwaldonjohnson]

@@Sherralyn Thanks

[@OBPRafaelSantos]

you can also tried some RP servers or any servers that says " keep inventory on death " on the server description

[@mikewhitaker2880]

seen the title and had the thought.. wow had the same issue in D&D games... of course in d&d the rules do make fighters better at ranged combat than archers... and trust me.. the math dont lie when an archer get maybe 6 dice dmg verses a fighter getting 9 to 12 dice dmg...

[@lordHumpfOr]

What the heck is even a Nordheimer Berserker? Never saw them ingame and cannot find them at the wiki.

[@seanowens3153]

Mounds of the dead

[@lordHumpfOr]

@@seanowens3153 thats the cimmerian Berserker. Nordheimer was early access only. You can spawn them in via admin menu and some mods also add it back to the game.

[@loremaster8475]

the stats when u look at them most fighters have more + to agility and accuracy then archers. this confuses me lol add that with melee ability and survivability. you would think Fighters on the same tier own Archers.

[@tovarishchsimonov289]

U can use those T4 bearers

[@HerbAlWays03]

I have a named barrier with 18,000 hp 😊

[@klimsat]

Relic Hunter Treasure Seeker [Fighter]. He has the greatest ranged damage. Just check him it and show in next video, please.

[@Anabriella]

*looks for newspaper*

[@timothyhouse1622]

He has already done the range multiplier for it. NO, it doesn't.

[@klimsat]

​@@timothyhouse1622 No? Are you sure? So who has the best range multiplier?

[@BoildownAH]

@@klimsat Apparently tried between RHTS archer and Volcano named archer. But he didn't show us the value from Sepermaru T4 archer so that could be it too.

[@Biggarou]

They are counting the points you put into the skill. so if it takes 4 skill pints to move up one rank they add 4 points to damage.

[@jipieeee]

@Firespark81 Pretty sure the rumor that fighters do more bow damage comes from the time before the mount update when a) bearer thralls had highest damage of all fighters b) Relic Hunter Treasure Seeker fighter thralls had higher range modifier than their archer counter part. It's rather common that such information is distributed slowly and turns into urban legends long after their source was patched out. Further more, the test in which you shot an arrow onto the thrall with 1000 HP and dealt 105 in one go and then another 1 damage just a second after comes from the BP_AC_Buff_Crippled_Arrow. Look it up in the dev kit, the buff has a "Damage per Buff Tick" value. That does explain why the thrall's HP went down from 895 to 894. Not entierly sure where the other 5 damage are comming from, yet. :-/

[@klimsat]

DT_ComboRules 1.05 damage multiplier for a light shot for any bow

[@jipieeee]

@@klimsat Of course, that's it. *facepalm*

[@shadexdemarr]

@@klimsat There's that .05084 we were seeing.

[@no0b796]

Do a named archer that starts with 30 acc forgods sake

[@haraldrobinson7951]

this is just base values though and surely other stats and the developement of the thrall will vary and could be different outcomes all the time.

[@Firespark81]

Just ACC which I pumped up in the test thralls to show that archers always hit harder.

[@yakyuk337]

Ok, another good video. Thanks. In my hunt for named archers I got a Varpnir with 30 str and 10 vit. right out of the box. So I made a fighter out of him. He is currently lvl 6 and appears to kicking butt. Is this just a total fail? His survival is highest growth chance and second is str. His Smdb is at 32% and acc at 7%. He has 9 in acc at this moment and 39 in str. Thanks!

[@MikeTheNFT]

You're correct - he'll be bad, because his melee modifier is so terrible. Go grab a Berserker from the Mounds or Lian near New Asgarth (both 100% chance to spawn) and they'll do like 3-4x as much damage as that Archer, even with all his strength.

[@aspiringadonis1253]

I honestly dont know where any good bearer spawns are, is there any charts online of spawn locations of thralls you know of?

[@musticegames]

catch cimmerian beerer lvl3 did lvl 20 18k+ from The den or Hyborian bearer lvl 3. did lvl 20 18k+ hp kill unnamed city skeletons with ur bearer get fast lvling .. one skeletons giving 16k xp ;

[@zoddbaratheon9231]

Best place fr t4 bearers i go is black galleon, theres a t4 bearer spawn southeast of asgard near one of those sniper posts, although i dont think t4 bearers follow faction attributes as the ones i find near asgard still has best stats in survival n vit

[@dlwatib]

conanexiles.gamepedia.com/Thrall#Named_thralls_.28tier_4.29

[@squalltheonly]

Bro just go to the den. Bearers for days.

[@tylerray.]

Why does the archer thrall vapnir spawn with 30 strength if its an archer?

[@Asriel_Cypher]

@Aronco Where do I check Race Bonuses?

[@bronysaiyan5236]

The ranged damage is apparently taxed with a 6.5% tax like in NV so seems like bows have tax lmao

[@musticegames]

@Firespark81 What ur tatto name mate ? i think this dlc tatto, so dlc and tatto name? i ask second time i hope this year u answer me :)

[@Firespark81]

Derketo dlc iirc

[@joe.4879]

Now I know who to slap on the face

[@Jinouga502]

The race of your character has hidden stats. That's where you get 32 bonus damage from the bow. Different races give different bonuses for different things.

[@Asriel_Cypher]

Where can I check this?

[@dtrain9771]

Wrote it on a sticky note, got wife to read... "fighters do more range damage" SEND HELP!!!!!!!!

[@MyYingYangification]

My thought is the difference in range adds bonus damage.

[@Firespark81]

Nope tested that. :(

[@rune7343]

They say that alissa snowhunter is the best?

[@Chas-OTE]

Dunno if she's the best, but she hits like a Cimmerian Berserker. But you do trade a small amount of damage (a .02 damage multiplier according to one video here) for at least 2000 more health. So I'd say she's pretty damned strong.

[@TobbeDraws]

Dalinsia

[@Anabriella]

Berserkers actually hit a little bit harder than everyone, oddly. Their damage multiplier is 3.92 compared to dalinsia and the volcano fighters at 3.90. That's before attributes and armour bonus damage though. Edit: somehow I missed Chas' comment

[@seanowens3153]

She's a fighter not an archer

[@C8XDx]

less penetration for bow they might have balance with more dmg

[@AjabuDaGreat]

The beastmaster is a fighter with high accuracy what about him

[@zourin8804]

Archers still really don't functionally contribute anything to any situation besides needing ten or twenty of them to do the job of one fighter. Rate of fire is low, accuracy is abysmal, damage is laughable.

[@hexenbladez5064]

Wouldn't The Archers use the higher damage arrows which they come with

[@Firespark81]

It does not matter what they use their damage output using a ranged weapon is higher and will always be higher on most occasions. The exception being if you have a fighter thrall that has a damage output that is close to another archer you have and that fighter killed it in acc and your archer does little to no acc then the fighter may be able to come close. But if you are only taking into account the best of the best thralls then it does not matter archers will always hit harder than fighters.

[@mensamlucerna4220]

I thought their default ammo was flint arrows regardless of race, area and level, has that changed too after the leveling thralls and mounts update?

[@torabisu188]

100 damage bow with 0 damage arrows + 50% ranged damage bonus from accuracy + 3.36x ranged damage modifier = 504 damage, not 531. So where did the extra 27 damage come from? 100 damage bow with 0 damage arrows + 50% ranged damage bonus from accuracy + 1.12x ranged damage modifier = 168 damage, not 177. So where does the extra 9 damage come from? 531/504=1.05 177/168=1.05 Mystery 5% damage bonus for both archer and fighter?

[@shadexdemarr]

Not certain but it is interesting that they are both .05084 of the total damage. So somewhere 5% is getting factored in.

[@scarabey77]

Pretty sure a Dogs of Desert/Black Hand T4 Fighter will do more damage than any T4 Archer, except for the Dogs/Black Hand T4 Archers because they start with 30 acc

[@BoildownAH]

No, they won't. I tested with Black Hand named archers (who also start with 30 accuracy) and they do less damage leveled up than a basic Sepermaru named archer or a RHTS archer at level 0. Talking about with a bow, of course. And considering archers have better ranged multipliers than fighters, you're just wrong here. The sad fact is that the hidden multiplier is significantly more important than the stats you can see. The stats you can see only serve to separate thralls of the same type. And among those thralls of the same type they'll all likely end up within a few percentage points of each other once leveled up.

[@Bubbles99718]

Seems to be a massive payoff for sticking better arrows in em

[@rodrigo1881]

I will gladly slap them and send your link lol

[@Kull707]

We raided somebody after he hit us a few nights in a row. His archer thrall too half my life with one shot. No idea why his archers hit so hard. Some of us were wearing Silent Legion too.

[@iDreamFly3rZz]

Probably a lvl 20 archer with proper stat growing, yeah it really hurts.. Thralls are OP atm, need a damage nerf ...

[@orphancrippler9526]

@@iDreamFly3rZz they already got one recently and anyway thralls shouldn't get damage nerfs since they're retarded and having low damage output would make the trash

[@bronysaiyan5236]

I got 1 shot while running right past them and got caught. So the accuracy they can have without structures being in the way is unreal

[@iDreamFly3rZz]

@@orphancrippler9526 you mean they would be decent tanks ? Yeah that would be great... They can solo dongeons, one shot players, 1v1 wild bosses ... What more do you need to consider them OP?

[@orphancrippler9526]

@@iDreamFly3rZz They need to be this OP since they would be otherwise trash for base protection during raids, since they're AI is awful and any raider worth his salt knows how to cheese them.

[@GregWilson04]

Firespark, it sounds like maybe the archers are not THAT much trash lol.

[@LordZervo]

lol

[@woodie232323]

Maybe it's based off the arrow, and coding for the arrow and when damage of arrow =0 then the arrow resorts back to the basic arrow the game gives the thrall??

[@torabisu188]

@FireSpark81 I got an Anja the Dervish, an archer from a purge. 15 str at 65% growth rate, 30 vit at 80% growth rate, 0 acc at 50% growth rate. Awful archer stats but excellent fighter stats. How would she compare to Orvar Battleborn, her fighter counterpart? Do fighters get a mystery damage bonus to melee? Would Anja still be a good archer?

[@musticegames]

@FireSpark81 bro what ur tatto name ?

[@no0b796]

What happen to "archers are trashhhhhhhh" Archers are not trash all ai is dumb but they will still 2 shot ur ass ez ... U dont have 10k life like he does on official

[@hoopaswagg]

What if the archer has more strength attributes than acrcher attributes

[@NvTeddy]

Obviously

[@NasserFisch]

xD getting 60 accuracy the legit way maybe in 100years

[@darrylelam256]

I've had it happen once, to a stupid fighter.

[@danv2888]

Well now becasue of the thrall update you can have fighters who do more damage. If all they get is accuracy perks.

[@Firespark81]

but archers do more

[@bronysaiyan5236]

The [ARCHER] gets a multiplier even if the archer has 20 acc and the fighter has 60 then it might be even

[@MikeTheNFT]

The fighter would literally need like 200 Accuracy to do more than a basic Archer due to the inherent multiplier of each.

[@kennyboi01]

He acts like the percentage damage increase is the only thing that matters. 2.35 with 70 acc is better than 23 acc with 3.4. You dont even understand. It doesnt just matter about % also some thralls are more fluent and work better

[@BoildownAH]

False. Do the math and you'll see your'e wrong. Check Firesparks earlier video on melee damage multipliers for the damage formula.

[@kennyboi01]

@@BoildownAH i did and im not wrong. He did not test what im talking about so dont talk like you know.

[@Forthrmany123]

This update fucked up Conan exiles I loved it more when the treasure seekers were strong enough to take down a boss now they die after fighter the red mother

[@Sysiu]

(100 damage from bow + 10 damage from acc ) x (1 + 20% from acc) = 132

[@woodie232323]

Good math but acc =0 so the multipler is +10*0 that makes +0

[@no0b796]

Alright let me clear this up. Since ppl just gone make 12 videos and never figure it out. Fighters that start with 30 str and get gruel and get points into str when they lvl up will end up the best melee aka janos liam.... The same goes with archers named ones that start with 30 acc and get all accuracy points... Will end up as the best... None of these archers he is showing is gonna be the ones u want to lvl... It will be named archers from pirate ship or buccaneer bay.. Your welcome...

[@Kull707]

No 0b I got Vapnir and he has zero accuracy to start with.

[@no0b796]

@@Kull707 whats ur point i said nothing about vapnir he is 🗑 garbage?

[@Kull707]

No 0b saying I agree with you it’s the stat they start with. Not all archers make good archers. Which archers do you suggest?

[@no0b796]

@@Kull707 dont remember there names and i changed there name but they came from buccaneer bay/ pirate ship / jungle / dessert. They started with 30 accuracy and have about 70 now.. Not alot life but i just have them on my base on pillars

[@Firespark81]

The best archer is not what the video is about...

[@NiceNoice]

I figured it out 2 years ago the coding is trash there problem solved