Do FSU or UNC have invites to the Big Ten? Who is the 20th School? Big Ten Expansion Update

On our live episode last week, Steve gave an update on Big Ten Expansion regarding FSU and UNC. He also talked about who the 20th team may be including Notre Dame, Clemson, and others.
Given the buzz right now, deemed an edited stand-alone episode was necessary and we hope you enjoy it.
Lastly, he discusses a new possible ACC member - East Carolina.
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[@irvingbennett1682]

East Carolina to the ACC has made sense for many many years maybe finally it could happen.

[@atgdcommish608]

I'm not feeling it for East Carolina. USF is a better academic school in a bigger TV market. Coastal Carolina is a better football team. Memphis would bring basketball prowess as well as recent football success (10 wins last season.)

[@tarheel7406]

Yes, a 5th member in North Carolina. Such worked so well for the SWC.

[@kennethmayner]

East Carolina is a logical choice for the ACC if UNC and NC State leave . Larger football fanbase than Duke and Wake. Better stadium. Large public university with a great alumni base that travels.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Love it! You were who we were referencing on the live episode. Thx for listening!

[@thomasevans-xw4xt]

ECU to the ACC makes way too much sense. It should have happened years ago. If FSU & CLEM leave, the ACC should add ECU & USF (to keep FL market), as MI is likely going somewhere.

[@tarheel7406]

@@thomasevans-xw4xt a) The ACC has always had too many NC schools as a relic of founding. b) The ACC has already preemptively backfilled. Losing "only" FSU and CLEMSON would be one of the better case scenarios.

[@stevemartinat8537]

ECU won’t get into the ACC until the two state universities leave the conference.

[@twinstalkitup]

I can see the ACC looking at UConn, ECU & USF

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Yes. That’s a solid 3 schools that should be at the top of the list with USF being #1.

[@xannyfamily1]

what about memphis

[@tarheel7406]

The ACC has already preemptively backfilled with CAL+2.

[@twinstalkitup]

@@xannyfamily1 They certainly are positioning themselves to be one of the schools called up! I can see them along with Tulane as being in that ‘wave’ of schools extended an invitation

[@twinstalkitup]

@@tarheel7406 very wise on their end to think ahead, however, perception will dictate that they extend a couple of more invitations

[@oldad3692]

I can assure you that there is at least one old FSU fan that is thankful to hear that there is a chance (still) that the Noles are B1G. Thanks for making my day!

[@Almighty5-ww1kl]

Go check out Greg Fulguar show , he says there no chalk of FSU to Big 10 , he said Big Ten wants ND 1st

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Clearly - we disagree.

[@joshjohnson7428]

Fsu will get a bid to the sec or big 10 more likely the big 10 any one who is not talking about that is nothing but click bait and don't know what they are talking about

[@505premoto]

@@joshjohnson7428Greg Sankey came out yesterday talking about how bad it was for FSU to sue their own conference and is not in favor of them in the SEC.

[@FSUMagnetic2024]

@@505premoto Fine by me. Screw the SEC.

[@desertrat1111]

FSU and ND would be the perfect mix to take B1G to 20

[@tarheel7406]

I highly doubt that FSU would be ND's named +1.

[@TrU-STaR----44]

It would be cool to see Fsu & ND play Usc, Oregon, Penn State, Michigan, Osu, Wisconsin or Ucla.

[@patrickmolloy6588]

FSU is now stuck. They will be tiny fish in either huge pond. There ain't no Wake Forest or Pitt or Syracuse or Duke or Virginia in these conferences. FSU will struggle and fail year in and year out.

[@trclark7689]

FSU to the B1G without a travel partner is terrible. We either need to be in the SEC or go into the B1G with Clemson or Miami.

[@trclark7689]

@@patrickmolloy6588 uh... the B1G literally has Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, and Minnesota. The SEC literally has Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi State, and Kentucky. Do you consider the Gators "tiny fish in a huge pond?" FSU would be on equal footing with them.

[@accnolecpanole1680]

I am an FSU fan/alum. I find it inconceivable that FSU would risk their legal procedings and incur tremendous expenses in that connection without having some assurance of admittance to a P2 conference.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Fully agree - it lacks any sort of sense for anything else. Now, if we are wrong - FSU fans/alumn should be beyond pissed with their university.

[@tarheel7406]

FSU was desperate and arrogant, so it went "all or nothing".

[@accnolecpanole1680]

I don't think that they would gamble to that extent. I could be wrong.

[@user-zj6gm2jz1m]

FSU is trying to force a change because the ESPN contract could be extended for a long time at a disadvantage to FSU. There are many possible favorable results that do not include joining B1G Ten or SEC that could occur from litigation. It may be the last shoe which needs to drop to finally reorganize college football.

[@tarheel7406]

@@accnolecpanole1680 "I don't think that they would gamble to that extent." From the FSU perspective, what's the gamble?

[@garyscott4847]

The fact of the matter is that until FSU announces they are leaving the ACC there will be no conference offers to FSU. No conference wants to get caught up in FSU's lawsuit with the ACC.

[@Scotty-thrive-tribe]

yeah .... what do you think an offer is? a willy wonka golden ticket !!??? youre under NDA, and a signed offer is usually a binding LOI the lawyers signed off on. each side retains an external law firm and negotiate through and by that i mean set up zooms they and 7 juniors all sit on to bill ya for the whole hour, "taking notes" aka writing emails and double billing

[@Burdick033]

You missed the Texas Oklahoma announcement…. No word about them leaving the big 12 until they said they were going to the SEC. All these conversations are happening NOW.

[@garyscott4847]

@Burdick033 Difference is the Big 12 media contract was expiring so Texas and Oklahoma were free to leave without any remaining financial obligations so their was no need for lawsuits to exit the conference to join the SEC.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

How quickly we forget they left a year early and negotiated a settlement with the big 12. They KNEW where they were going.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Bingo

[@JC-FSU78]

Thanks so much for a great show. It's too bad that so many who disagree are so disagreeable. I believe your source for the simple reason that what he says makes monetary sense. And money will drive what happens in the future just like it has in the past. When the Big 10 has a Florida school, the cable companies Will begin to carry the Big 10 Network , creating tens of millions in new revenue. And this money is why FSU is better for the Big 10 than for the SEC. By whatever metric you use, Florida State is an elite national TV draw. Eyeballs mean dollars. FSU is probably worth more to the networks than the payout they will receive. So, not only do the Big 10 and the networks want F$U, they want F$U now. So the real question is not if, but when. And you have to ask yourself why Fox and the big 10 would want to wait an extra year to start collecting. If they wait till after August 15, all this money available in 2025 is flushed. Maybe they won't make it, but my guess is that they are doing everything possible behind the scenes to rake in 2025 TV money. And the ACC would be Wise to negotiate while that money is on the table. So it's maybe a 15% chance FSU is out for 2025 and 70% for 2026?

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Thx for the great comment. We would agree with your odds. Much more likely to be 2026.

[@dlksjax]

Finally, a plausible scenario that fits what is happening right now! First, FSU and Clemson have yet to give notice to the ACC that they are leaving for 2025. Should that happen before the upcoming Aug 15th deadline, we will know if things are proceeding. The Grant of Rights litigation poses as the impediment, neither can move forward until there is clarity in that situation. It is reasonable that since the ACC is already suing the two schools, they may decide to proceed and give notice, like Maryland did when it chose to leave. The difference this time is it may move slower to avoid potential litigation between the two conferences

[@tarheel7406]

If FSU and CLEMSON alone are leaving, that would mean either indy or BIG12.

[@RedMage409]

Tarheel7406 is going to be crying in mommy’s basement after this.

[@Scotty-thrive-tribe]

lmao

[@tarheel7406]

Huh? FSU to the B1G is a win for UNC under most any scenario.

[@thatcollegefootballguy]

I actually brought this up in a video of mine. He was more worried about Florida State paying a steeper price to exit than Clemson or UNC.

[@ChrisSadowski-pp1np]

No, he wants UNC in the SEC.

[@tarheel7406]

@@thatcollegefootballguy "Worried"? Again, the smart ACC strategy would be to settle with and release FSU for the max cash it can get. That would remove any FSU interference with the ACC settling with and releasing the much less hostile UNC/CLEMSON for far less cash but with future scheduling commitments.

[@accnolecpanole1680]

I enjoy your well reasoned "broadcasts" on Big Mountain Sports, and I hope that you are right with respect to FSU and the BIG. The BIG would be my choice for FSU if they leave the ACC.

[@stevemak8620]

I believe that you guys might do well to look closely at the metrics of these schools. TV ratings, attendance, Academics, Dollars (of all sorts), etc. Each team that has found a new home so far in re-alignment has had metrics suitable for their landing spot. The PAC schools that join theB1G have metrics in the upper end of their new league. Texas and Oklahoma have metrics that are very much in the upper end of their new league. All six teams will add to the pies. Good metrics are key. I love UNC, for instance, and UNC has cache' of sorts that could get it over a hurdle or two, for sure, but if adding to the pie is as important to the next round of re-alignment as it was to the last round of re-alignment, then UNC is right where it belongs already. Indeed, the only schools that would add to the B1G and SEC pies, according to the metrics, are FSU, ND, and Clemson. Nobody else is even close.

[@tarheel7406]

This story is now 3 years old. Think holistic/relative value within a closed P2 world. That UNC is a (if not the) top target of the SEC and B1G has been consistently reported. Instead of denying, try to understand why.

[@atgdcommish608]

@@tarheel7406 Stanford has won more football games this century than North Carolina. And is in a bigger media market. And is a better school. And has a better athletic department across all sports.

[@tarheel7406]

@@atgdcommish608 Yet was considered by the B1G and rejected ~and~ is of no interest to the SEC. UNC is: a) 1 of only 2 remaining true southern flagships outside of the SEC. b) 1 of only 6 P4 original public ivys. c) 1 of only ~5 men's basketball blues d) 1 of only 6 that have finished 20x+ Top 10 D-Cup e) 1 of only 3 that have won the D-Cup f) Half of the only college basketball rivalry of national interest UNC's athletic brand is international, recognized by the colors alone. This story is now freakin' 3 years old!

[@waynebennett745]

Serious question for B1G: HOW LONG will y'all wait on ND BEFORE taking another path? You're not certain ND will ever join. *Just asking as this was presented in another KZbin video.

[@tarheel7406]

I suspect that the B1G would take UNC+1 while waiting for ND+1. Securing UNC+1 (UVA) may make options further south of more interest.

[@user-zj6gm2jz1m]

It is surprising if Florida St. has any invitation from B1G Ten. What a legal mess that could result. I would think B1G Ten is too smart for that.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

You do know that every school that has recently left their conference willingly has known where they would end up prior to a formal withdrawal, right? USC UCLA OR Wash TX OK You think that just happened out of circumstance and luck?

[@user-zj6gm2jz1m]

@@TheBigMountainPodcast PAC 12 had expiring TV and grant of rights. USC has potential problem because it nixed BIg 12 merger while possibly negotiating exit strategy. However, no tv contract & Washington St. & Oregon St. got temporary windfall so probably no damages. Big 12 had expiring Tv contract and grant of rights in near future. Big 12 settled so a nonissue. But ACC has potentially long range TV contract & grant of rights & is under litigation. Totally different situation. Since B1G Ten & SEC recently poached teams resulting in implosion of PAC 12 the legal liability is enormous. I would tread more carefully about actual invitations if I were you.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

You totally missed the point.

[@user-zj6gm2jz1m]

What point would that be? I don’t believe Florida St. has a spot reserved in the B1G Ten. Do you understand that the B1G Ten has 9 of the top 30 research universities in the USA averaging over 1 billion per school per year. Most of the schools are in the Top 50. Florida St. does not appear to be even in the top 100. Where do other ACC schools rank: North Carolina is #12, Duke #9, Stanford #10, Pittsburgh #16, Georgia Tech #17 ($1 billion per year). Most of the ACC is in the top 100. Do you see why Stanford & Cal wanted to be in ACC. Do you see why USC, UCLA & Washington did not want to be in Big 12. Other non B1G Ten schools in top 30 include Texas A&M, Florida & Vanderbilt. UCLA & Cal were tied together but the state authorities eventually relented with a compromise to give Cal approximately $10 million per year compensation from UCLA share of B1G Ten money. Academics has been an important part of B1G Ten President’s concerns in the past. Have the ADs taken over the schools. I hope not. Part of the marketing allure of the B1G Ten is its academic side. It makes it different than the NFL. Florida St. and Clemson fit better in the SEC or Big 12 from an overall standpoint. Now Florida or Texas A&M would be a different story.

[@lenmux]

Everyone likes to bring up how FSU isn't an academic fit for the B1G, but much of these opinions seems based on flawed assumptions rather than facts. FSU has been in the top 50 academically and is currently in a 3 way tie for 53rd (along with U of Minnesota). They are in the middle of the pack academically in the ACC and would also be in the middle of the pack in the B1G. They are also well along on the Path to AAU membership. FSU is a perfect academic fit for the B1G.

[@trclark7689]

Thank you for this video. There are so many stupid people that honestly believe that FSU doesn't have a landing spot in the top two conferences.

[@tarheel7406]

Curious... For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC (and B1G)?

[@philcasesa8626]

We want to be in the B1G! Go Noles --------;;-->

[@basedjiren3889]

If they are worried about media ratings then why would they not look at the 3rd team in viewership Miami? Especially over UNC, Louisville, UVA, etc

[@atgdcommish608]

Agreed, Miami is the bigger football brand and better TV draw.

[@Doc_Boots]

They probably are looking at Miami but no news comes out because they are private

[@basedjiren3889]

@@Doc_Boots hopefully

[@Bbbmurr]

It will depend on if fsu will wait. next two bigten teams will be either fsu and notre dame sooner or Miami and notre dame later

[@tarheel7406]

Why and how can ND move prior to 2036?

[@Bbbmurr]

@@tarheel7406 it would take ND and NBC to negotiate with the bigten and NBC

[@tarheel7406]

@@Bbbmurr That doesn't address all of ND's ACC entanglements or why ND would leave. Again, why and how can ND move prior to 2036?

[@daviddejesus5376]

Interesting and entertaining. Great show. I'm looking forward to football season.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

We are as well! Let’s get to some FOOTBALL!

[@Scotty-thrive-tribe]

we promised norvell we are out this year so weve had a plan to play next year as ...like a ND schedule with clem/Miami/NC/ND /nc state. we even have one for this year if they are to withhold our payment for last year. alford is a G, even though we are accused of causing a ruckus and reckless, there is so much we have not fought back with to encourage a settlement from the cabal we call the acc, disgusting group of humans (shhhh)

[@tarheel7406]

LOL... You think many ACC schools will schedule FSU out of conference after going scorched earth? I suspect that none want to be seen voluntarily associated as things stand. MIAMI would be the most likely. I see FSU having to play in the BIG12 in other sports with a football scheduling agreement for the privilege.

[@FSUMagnetic2024]

@@tarheel7406 Money talks. ACC schools will still want to schedule FSU, it will be one of their most (perhaps the most) profitable game of the seaon. FSU is looking out for the best interest of the university, fans, and donors - the same applies to any other university.

[@Scotty-thrive-tribe]

@@tarheel7406 i get why you don't automatically believe a rando post/poster on youtube. but, its already been agreed to. sure, yes, absolutely, we could get jackjawed in countless ways. every school listed was cooperating at some point. to your point fsumag, they have to find a replacement to come to them, where the opponent is not even aware if they will exist tomorrow let alone a home and home. or have to find an away game and with the same issue and thats an effin nightmare. we would he the highest rated game they have all year, by far, especially with the storylines. if its an away game, espn gets us for FREE. so believe me or use critical reasoning skills, even our president could follow, maybe. hopefully. probably not : (

[@tarheel7406]

@@FSUMagnetic2024 Delusional. The ACC is already planning on the assumption FSU is leaving. Maybe the bottom half would schedule FSU for gate, but the top half can find alternatives. There was an unofficial ban on playing MARYLAND, and it was much less hostile when leaving.

[@FSUMagnetic2024]

@@tarheel7406 if I want to know the truth about FSU then I will ask FSU.

[@jfc3691]

ECU has the most rabid football (and baseball..fwiw) fanbase in NC, but like all non P4 schools, need cash infusion to make the next jump. ACC has a history of mostly going for good academics though (sans Lousiville) and at least somewhat respectable basketball. ECU is rated more like a Texas Tech or Miss State academically...and flat out awful in basketball. Seems far-fetched. USF on the other hand

[@TheToddFather1969]

I am a native of North Carolina and a UNC fan. If the state of NC thinks it will lose money by letting UNC leave, the politicians will never let it happen, even If it hurts athletics.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

That certainly seems to be the case right now.

[@tarheel7406]

The state would lose money if it forces UNC to depreciate.

[@TheToddFather1969]

@@tarheel7406 The State loses money regardless, in my opinion. Nobody thinks of football when they think of NC, even though it is a prevalent sport. Either join the big time leagues or be forever relegated to a local or regional club.

[@tarheel7406]

@@TheToddFather1969 Since the ACC will deplete down to the BIG12's Tier 2 level. the smartest thing for the State of NC is to allow UNC to go to the SEC to pull in finances from there and keep the ACC alive with NCSTATE+ being new tentpoles. UNC is an international rep for NC.

[@atgdcommish608]

California let UCLA leave, without Cal. And forced UCLA to pay a cut of the B1G loot to Cal every year.

[@terryfox9344]

Since I have believed for the past year that FSU will ultimately end up in the B1G, I have no problem with what Steve is saying. I would however, use different words to convey Steve's comments. Penn State's AD does not have a vote on the question of which schools should receive a conference invitation or when such invitations are delivered. However, based on his conversations with relevant parties, he feels confidant enough to predict that the B1G will choose to invite FSU at some point in the future. The comment on UNC also makes a good deal of sense, but again, I don't believe that rises to a certitude either. Thank you very much for this information.

[@FSUMagnetic2024]

Penn State's AD is probably conveying the approval of its administration.

[@webmoore4353]

Soooo…who joins FSU to B1G eventually? ND is not motivated. Clemson not really a fit, but maybe? Miami?

[@EdD-it1zs]

2023-24 ACC Football Media exposure value: FSU: $381.6M, 2. Louisville: $165.7M, 3. Clemson: $154.8M, 4. Miami: $136.2M, 5. Duke: $109.3M (TV/Social via Nielsen)” UNC is not even top 5 in the ACC. Florida State is more valuable than most teams in the Big 10 and SEC.

[@tarheel7406]

Spotted the below figures lurking the USCAR message board: From Nielsen: ACC Leaders in Media Exposure Value (Last 3 Years) 1. Duke men’s basketball ($995.0M) 2. UNC men’s basketball ($892.5M) 3. FSU football ($795.2M) 4. Clemson football ($677.1M)

[@sean6131]

Once again we’re talking about football which makes the most money. The basketball success has meant nothing for the perception and value of the ACC and there’s the fact that FSU has been down.

[@EdD-it1zs]

@@sean6131 From 2015-2019 FSU averaged 2.27 million views per game which is top 15 right next to Texas. That's the worse stretch in decades for FSU.

[@tarheel7406]

@@sean6131 No, what's relevant is expected holistic/relative value is the future P2 world.

[@briggsofdisaster]

See you soon Notre Dame! I am inevitable. Sincerely, The Big Ten

[@laser187386]

How many other major National brands are there? It feels like Clemson ND and TAMU are the only ones left?

[@MichaelSmith-xb5cp]

TAMU a national draw? I don't agree....It can only be ND

[@basedjiren3889]

Miami is one of the most recognizable brands in the country. Everyone recognizes the U so they will have a spot in the Big 2

[@seekingthetruth2748]

​@basedjiren3889 Miami has the worst fans, all fair weather fans. There is just a handful of fans that show up at the home games. Home games are only sold out when FSU is going down to play Miami. The numbers of viewership isn't that good either. Last thing: it has been 20+ years since Miami has won anything.

[@KeithR-n3y]

Miami WAS a brand. Miami has crowds when they play FSU and big time opponents. Whenever you watch Miami highlights at home it's an empty stadium. The B1G Isn't interested in Miami. Better hope for for SEC

[@atgdcommish608]

@@basedjiren3889 Agreed on Miami, but why would they pay the enormous ACC exit fees to make the same amount of money in the Big12 as they make now in the ACC? They are waiting for a B1G invite.

[@boweevil8390]

No not yet.

[@mr.bigglesworthyoumagnific4281]

So what I'm hearing is don't expect much movement in our life times, I think that's fairly accurate..

[@atgdcommish608]

2036 is only 12 years away.

[@atgdcommish608]

No ACC teams have any invites yet. The exit fees to leave the ACC are still way too high. They need to wait until the lawsuits are settled, and the exit fees reduced somewhat.

[@joecartwright9221]

The Television 📺 Networks will make the decision on who gets into each Conference. ESPN WILL NOT EXTEND THEIR CONTRACT WITH THE ACC AFTER 2027. The Power 3 Conferences will be the Big 12, SEC & Big 10

[@tarheel7406]

Delusional.... a) Networks can't force an unwanted forever decision by a conference. b) There won't be a peer P3 c) ESPN will ~100% renew the ACC deal

[@stevemartinat8537]

FSU as an independent maybe their best option after buying their way out of the ACC. ACC schools then should not schedule FSU in any sport.

[@tarheel7406]

The BIG12 would be a better option. FSU is now so disrespected; it would be difficult to create a decent schedule without some connection to the B12.

[@DocSkirv]

The ACC is toast, if the seminoles and Clemson go, ESPN opts out. Then UVa, VaTech, Miami, UNC all bolt too. This would push Stanford and Cal back west, and probably SMU.

[@tarheel7406]

The ACC easily survives as a Tier 2 sans CLEMSON and FSU, which would depreciate in the BIG12.

[@DocSkirv]

@@tarheel7406 not without ESPN. Sorry, Appalachian and east are not backfills that create revenue dollars. It’s dominoes. Watch em fall.

[@tarheel7406]

@@DocSkirv CAL+2 would not have been added sans ESPN approval and assurances. Why would ESPN not renew? Remember that the following conference got ~$30Mper: WVU (small state low prestige flag) CINCY (G5) UCF (G5) BYU (special/unique P5 remainder equivalent) HOUSTON (G5) IOWAST (low population state #2) KSTATE (low population state #2) OKSTATE (low population state #2, solid overall sports) KANSAS (vanilla flag, blue basketball) TCU (G5 equivalent) BAYLOR (G5 equivalent) TXTECH (G5 equivalent)

[@DocSkirv]

@@tarheel7406 Florida State and Clemson developed after. Once they bounce it’s over.

[@tarheel7406]

@@DocSkirv LOL... Granted over a longer period of time, but the BIG12 lost its top 6 (net) and is now `~33% G5 equivalent and survived as a Tier 2. That's the benchmark. CAL+2 were added on the assumption that UNC, CLEMSON and FSU would leave,

[@tarheel7406]

Of course UNC is off the table for the B1G. It's rejected the B1G in the past and is now ~100% to the SEC when/if. That's been the situation for ~9 months.

[@Scotty-thrive-tribe]

plus bball! sec is the best now

[@tarheel7406]

@@Scotty-thrive-tribe The SEC is the worst P5 measured by the Final Four: Final Four Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024. 2020 N/A) ACC: 9-5-3 B12: 5-3-2 (Excludes OK; includes Houston) BIGEAST: 6-4-4 SEC: 5-0-0 (Includes OK) B1G: 7-3-0 (Includes Oregon & UCLA)

[@DavidKreitzer-ng2fe]

UNC rejected the idea of leaving the ACC period. It would have rejected the SEC, Big 12 and PAC as well.

[@Scotty-thrive-tribe]

@@DavidKreitzer-ng2fe oh so they rejected the idea of athletic relevance

[@DavidKreitzer-ng2fe]

@@Scotty-thrive-tribe UNC gonna UNC, they had a cheating problem as well.

[@huskerjpg]

North Carolina and Virginia make a lot more sense than FSU, Clemson, or Miami. BB bluebloods with occasionally good FB is better for Big10.

[@tarheel7406]

Neither UNC nor UVA appear available to the B1G. Then what?

[@basedjiren3889]

UNC and UVA have 0 tradition and are dumpster fires. They are not that coveted

[@tarheel7406]

@@basedjiren3889 Delusional....

[@arronfrazier7873]

Wrong! Its about CFB. The Tv partners are going to see, its about CFB! UNC and Virginia doesn't come close to Miami and FSU playing Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, USC or Oregon in FB!

[@tarheel7406]

@@arronfrazier7873 Curious... For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC (and B1G)?

[@HasBeen-en3ue]

Your Penn State source ain’t connected if this is his forecast.

[@heartbreak25]

Agreed.

[@basedjiren3889]

😂 FSU is becoming too much of a headache for them to overlook the lack of AAU accreditation. They better get it quick

[@atgdcommish608]

Academics don't matter any more, only TV. The B1G passed on Stanford and Cal, even at partial shares, even though both have great academics and great athletic departments across all sports.

[@sean6131]

We are a headache in the football field and the rest is nonsense.

[@tarheel7406]

@@atgdcommish608 So ignorant... Academics is a material factor. No once claimed it was determinative.

[@user-zj6gm2jz1m]

All Carolina Conference would be a terrible name for schools outside of North Carolina.

[@StormyCyclone]

We all know you don't have any connections. National respected people are telling a different story. FSU at a full rate means you have to pay WU &OU the same. Big 10 is waiting on ND & it's partners period.ND brings media deal from 1.7 billion to 2.3 billion, of coarse anyone that host Genet--s can't be anymore than speculation. You guys definitely are a G5 podcast.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Clearly, this isn’t the podcast for you. Not sure why you would post this comment but we hope you feel good about it.

[@robertgibbs6480]

All of this detail about Big10 having an awaiting invite for FSU has been debunked. Not true . no awaiting invite.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Debunked by who? Our information is as recent as this month.

[@waynebennett745]

I know it's FSU's decision, but B1G: do you REALLY want a 5th team impacted with travel? 🤔

[@atgdcommish608]

East Coast travel is nothing compared to West Coast teams flying all over the country now.

[@LoCoVANole]

FSU will be in the P2 when it’s all said and done. The Carolina schools…not a chance.

[@aprilholli]

The “no aau” fans are going to cry when fsu gets into the P2 lol and it’s going to be beautiful

[@tarheel7406]

Such denial....

[@LoCoVANole]

@@aprilholli All that nonsense reminds me of Forrest Gump - “stupid is as stupid does.” If memory serves, Forrest was an SEC fanboy.

[@FSUMagnetic2024]

@@aprilholli Fine by me as long as FSU collects the cash. All these schools yelling "no AAU" have had many research advantages over FSU, but FSU has stiill continued to improve dramatically in academics (even without a medical research facility). This is no longer case, so stay tuned.

[@stevemartinat8537]

FSU should be careful what they wish for. They will be an also ran in the B10 or SEC.

[@Wasaychwrowser09]

I would really enjoy going to the B1G over the SEC.

[@Mike-sp7zv]

Lets play fill in the rival blank. 1. Texas : Oklahoman 2. USC : UCLA 3. FSU : _______

[@EdD-it1zs]

Miami and Florida

[@reacting2sjws598]

Based'

[@francoisdillinger9992]

Why do you guys discus Mountain West Football? Neither of you have connections to the MWC.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

You have to have an inside connection in order to talk about something. Wow. That’s news to us.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

We would suggest you find a channel that suits your needs as we are clearly not it. Or maybe you just like being a negative Nancy. And if so, we are here for your enjoyment.

[@francoisdillinger9992]

Not a negative comment, just curious why two guys from PA talk about MWC. I personally find it refreshing to get west coast conference news.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

On your last comment to us you said that we LIE and that we were hiding something by not using “real names”, yeah that may have put a negative taste in my mouth for your user name. So yes, I assumed you were being an troll.

[@kriscobb-xi1wq]

A&M by 2026 in the BIG TEN never say never look at ucla usc oregon really cmon man doesnt make sense plus A&M is closer to BIG TEN instead of the schools i mentioned,

[@ChrisSadowski-pp1np]

Yes, Greg Swaim has been reporting that. Their AAU and they hate Texas.

[@rickroth1836]

ND will join a conference eventually! The Big10 makes the most sense but we will see, when the conferences get to 20 or more teams ND will have to join one. At that point the conference teams will only play two non con game and they will be weak teams to prepare for conference play & ND as a independent will not be able to fill there schedule with power 4 teams, because the conference teams won’t give up a scrimmage game against teams like Akron or Toledo to get ready for conference play. When the conference’s become super conferences you will only see big dog teams meet in conference play & you will only get to see big dog non con matchups in playoffs & bowl games. Big10 & SEC matchups & if ACC survives & not picked a part & if Big12 can add some big dog teams to there conference will only happen in playoffs & bowl games. When the get to 20 or more teams the will play a 10 game conference schedule & a conference champion chip game I would lay money on it. If you have 20 teams & one is your every year rival game you have 18 teams for scheduling . So play 10 game schedule you can rotate ever other year to play ever team in your conference with one team being your rival that you play ever year so you face every team in conference every two years. Or this I would prefer better, you could play the same 9 teams & your every year rival for your 10 games two years in a row for a home and home then rotate to the other 9 teams for a home and home that way if a player stays four year they will get to play against every team in their conference twice. I think that make more sense wether you rotate every year or every two years a four year player will play against every team in the conference twice.

[@tarheel7406]

The SEC and B1G only going to 20 each isn't likely a deep/wide enough consolidation to keep ND out of a separate Tier 1 playoff.

[@rickroth1836]

And you know for a fact, the Big Ten or SEC is only going to 20 teams how do you know they don’t go to 24 you don’t. I didn’t say Notre Dame would be kept out of playoffs. I said when the conferences get that big they will no longer schedule Notre Dame outside the conference. They will go to 10 game conference schedule and if Notre Dame can’t schedule big dog teams They will be stuck scheduling group of five teams, Appalachian State, Troy, Toledo, Ohio bobcats and that will most definitely hurt their rankings. They’ll never get a bye week because the top two teams in all four conferences get in that’s 8 right there with an at-large bid for sure to group of five that’s 9 more than likely going to have two teams from the four major conference get in as a third team from that conference because they’re 11-1 or 10-2 that’s 11 teams plus ND. All it would take would be to group 5 teams one 12-0 & the other 11-1 and that could throw a monkey wrench in the whole thing for Notre Dame they wouldn’t get picked over one of the group of five teams but you could depend on how good they thought Notre Dame was compared to the group 5 because there schedule will be weak.

[@tarheel7406]

@@rickroth1836 You wrote that 20 OR more would be enough to force ND. I've written for over 2 years that 24 would so force. Scanning the rest of your comment is just my now ~3 year old analysis. Congrats.

[@rickroth1836]

@@tarheel7406 That may be true & ND can do what they want. All I am saying is in my opinion the chances of Notre Dame being in a conference versus independent once the conferences get to 20 teams or more, is more likely than not. That’s all I am saying it will not keep Notre Dame out of playoffs if they stay independent, with the exception of a fluke year. I also have been saying for a few years at 20 to 24 teams it’ll be a 10 game schedule. The big 10 already plays nine and teams just won’t give up one of it two dummy game for practice to schedule Notre Dame. For instants Ohio State could be playing USC, Oregon, Washington, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, Michigan State, UCLA all in one year if you have 10 conference game with the potential of an 11 team if you get to the big 10 championship, you could swap out a few teams and replace them with Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, or Maryland all capable of beating you & still would make for a tough schedule. So why would you schedule Notre Dame it would be stupid and I think any other conference that becomes that big SEC and the others would do the same I’m just saying it’s gonna be a team scheduling problem for Notre Dame when it gets to that point. To be honest, I think, at some point in the future, maybe not for another 20 years or longer it’s gonna be like the NFL with two major conferences & will meet in the playoffs to decide who wins the championship. MONEY TALK and if the money is there, it will drive it to that. The big 12 has some good teams in it but really doesn’t have big powerhouse name teams in it anymore and the ACC is barely hanging on and if they lose Florida State, Clemson and North Carolina, they may crumble.

[@tarheel7406]

@@rickroth1836 Again, if the B1G is only going to 20, it has to stand pat until ND will move. In contrast, the SEC going to 20 means 4 max from the ACC, so I will assume: a) FSU is forced out to the BIG12 b) SEC adds UVA, UNC, DUKE, CLEMSON That Tier 1 leaves the 4Cs completely uncovered, Kansas is a hole, FSU is disposable but still a major #2, other near peer #2s in large states left out, etc. If the P2 plans to control basketball and other factors as well, there are specials/brands like STANFORD, MIAMI, etc. In short, an 18-team B1G and a 20-team SEC isn't deep and wide enough to host a separate playoff that retains national interest and legitimacy, so ND can remain outside,

[@CarlaJenkinsTV]

Neither team does. FSU 63-3 Orange Bowl loss to Georgia is why both the SEC and Big 10 have backed away. Regarding UNC, football is where's the money is at. The Big 10 hasn't won March Madness in 24 years but is the richest conference. When that UNC person hollering 'higher dollar league', he's not going to the Big 10.

[@tarheel7406]

Silly rabbit, a few game outcomes are irrelevant. UNC has rejected the B1G in the past and is likely to do so again.

[@garyscott4847]

That game has no impact on anything. 14 starters opted out of that game in protest of FSU nor being selected for one of the four championship slots. FSU played mostly 2nd and 3rd string players in that game.

[@BreezeFrey]

Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful.

[@teddillon7739]

Lol stupid troll post. Try harder next time.

[@paulwhitley5515]

Any new “unalives” in Columbus today? 0-3 Carl

[@krudolph22]

No AAU no Big ten

[@GregsDisneysadventures]

AaU not a requirement for membership for B1G

[@rickker20]

Big 10 is not taking Florida’s state

[@teeduck]

Big ten wants ND/ Stanford. They are # 19/20. FSU does not have a spot. Your intel is wrong. Dig deeper.

[@TheLaron2006]

Stanford no

[@thatcollegefootballguy]

Notre Dame isn't going to the B1G until at least 2040. I have heard this talk about Notre Dame to the B1G for over 20 years. It still hasn't happened yet and I highly doubt it'll happen in the next 20 years. You bow down to Notre Dame. Notre Dame doesn't bow down to anyone. That is exactly what they believe. Like it or not.

[@teeduck]

@@TheLaron2006 they are a pair. U will see

[@TheLaron2006]

@@teeduck give me one good source

[@teeduck]

@@TheLaron2006 me

[@Size-11]

Hey, I’m not buying the nonsense about FSU😂

[@kriscobb-xi1wq]

FSU is not a AAU school BIG TEN wants AAU Schools which A&M is so never say never BIG TEN wants to get in Texas and they got cali in there league which really doesnt make since.

[@A1Googler]

Florida State DOES NOT HAVE A BIG TEN INVITE

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Correct - as of today, they do not have one. However, they will get one once they are able to get out of their current situation. We tried to be very clear about this point.

[@FSUMagnetic2024]

@@TheBigMountainPodcast 5:49 you were very clear. Thanks for posting.

[@douglaszickefoose921]

I enjoy the videos. It sucks there are so many illiterate people who do not comprehend what you're reporting. Maybe you should add a disclaimer message in big colorful letters for them before the videos, lol. Go Noles!!! 🍢🍢🍢

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Thank you. People misunderstanding or hearing what they want to hear is just part of the gig.

[@rogermartinez8606]

Does this guy really know if FSU has a guaranteed invite to the big 10 or is he just pulling stuff out of his butt? I expect it's the later.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Great comment. Thanks so much.

[@tarheel7406]

I'm relying on the consistent reporting by professionals (which this channel is not), but nothing is certain.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

Understandable. We have never claimed to be “professionals”. But Steve does have connections at PSU. Take it, or leave it. Totally fine by us.

[@tarheel7406]

@@TheBigMountainPodcast I intended no slight. Lots of other tubers claiming inside info take the opposite position on some of these matters. I claim no inside info but rather rely on history, actual recent events, credible reporting, and general consensus beliefs. Soon after the TX/OK news, a B1G reporter stated that earlier failed talks had been revisited with UNC. Soon after the USC/UCLA news, a FOIA disclosed exchange proved that UNC contacted the B1G to confirm that interest remained. Since then, there's been a power shift at UNC, after which the B1G considered UNC lost. This explains the premature addition of WASH/ORE and the B1G looking for alternates. I see no B1G interest in CLEMSON, which wouldn't have started litigation unless it had a secure coattail to the SEC from UNC. The political interference in NC is unexpected, which has caused chaos. The B1G really needs to land ND and/or UVA/UNC (teams of very high SEC interest) to make +FSU and/or other #2s an expansion win. Adding #2s in SEC flagged states alone is a public realignment loss.

[@TheBigMountainPodcast]

No slight taken.