Do Gullwing Sidewinders Work as Surfskate Trucks?

[@obsoletepaul]

When I see you have a new video... I click.

[@68644731]

The best surfskate is a sidewinder truck in the front and a normal or inverted truck in the back with a shape similar to the Black type or similar ones. I've tested it and there's nothing better. Test and verify. To make it better, put 90 A bushings on the sidewinder truck. I saw that you said that sidewinder is not a surfskate and is analyzed wrong because you put him behind and in front. In this way it boosts more than Carver CX and You etc. Text and you will verify.

[@oadhyde]

Now in Thailand this truck is very popular. We put it on only the rear with surf truck like Meraki S5 or Cx / C7 at the front. It makes snapping much more easier. We called it cheat truck in Thailand.

[@BayMedic]

Oooo going to try this

[@silvermymothergaveme]

Very interesting

[@schloOnzo]

I got several pairs of Sidewinder 2s and i love them. Best is to use a longer, flexy board and you can overtake Bycicles LDPing. Once you're on speed it's easy to retain and to go fast, but they don't pump on slow Speedy and or with a hard board. Less chilled, more "sportive" pumping with the Gullies 🙃

[@Juan-yq3fb]

Exactly.

[@sixkiller357]

i can pump on my 42" longboard with regular trucks but i find it hard to keep my speed, do you reckon that would help?

[@marcioandre1378]

I used this truck on my Dervish and I loved, it's good to make turns and slides at low speed downhill

[@FUBARguy107]

Just got a new Sector 9 with some of these and they are so nice compared to my regular style trucks I had on my old board. These feel so good to me.

[@jamesoncampaigne90]

Set mine up with a 7° wedge and angle risers on each truck. Works super well after that, while still being able to handle some hills and slide when needed

[@briansimko1049]

Definitely not for pumping from a standstill or low speeds. You can improve the performance by using a Sidewinder in front and a regular truck in the rear, AND by also dialing in the correct bushing hardness’s for both trucks according to your weight. I have one of my longboards setup this way and its one of my favorite rides. Best on a mild to moderate decline.

[@onlinewen]

Thanks. I started from sidewinder to learn pumping. I had such hard time.

[@asselin]

I was waiting for your conclusion because I have a sidewinder and like you said: the best way to describe it is that the front trucks compete with the rear truck for pumping,

[@SurfskateLove]

Yep.

[@louisroth5941]

I’m a freestyle skater and longboarders are so rad! Love the video

[@claudneysartisessa]

I like using it just as a rear truck, it helps a lot when cornering, I've never tried using it both at the same time.

[@sandroreynaldo81]

Very good Steve!!! Very enlightening your opinion about this truck system. Through your publications I am up to date in the matter of differentials in the world of surfskate! Thank you very much, blessed brother!

[@SurfskateLove]

Thank you!

[@bradleymcdaniel8226]

I got a set before I got my blue haze cx. They eat up hills like nothing. Not the same as carver, but I do get some surfage. I dont bomb hills, so when one comes up it's nice to know I have a lot of turn radius to help kill speed

[@tulpa1940]

Looks like this may make a good rear truck in a custom setup, like if you wanted more turn rather than the lean of a wb rail adapter.

[@AintNoHatin]

Just noticed I have the same shoes. National Geographic x Vans collab, so dope!

[@SurfskateLove]

Love it! Between you and me, I'm trying to get sponsored by Vans by showcasing a different pair of Vans in every video. 😂

[@trentdean3973]

Thank you for keeping it simple , I love it

[@luisrodriges6964]

Thank you so much for saving my money. I've been thinking about buying a Sector9 complete with these trucks. Though they look hitech and cool.

[@darkrey_BriesVersion]

back in 2014, my friend let me borrow her sidewinders and i put them on my super flexy longboard. i think it was a 36 inch. I was able to bomb some mild hills and carve aggressively occasionally slide the back wheels. So in my experience it carved great at higher speeds and pumps great with a long flexy board. I also liked that it had so much lean yet remained stable. I never bombed a crazy big hill or anything with them tho

[@edhumm]

Pumping needs a more fixed rear truck to generate the forward momentum. Two super soft turning trucks will only give a tight turn not a pump. try it with a regular truck at the rear... :) check out LDP set ups

[@SurfskateLove]

Thought of that. But IMO these trucks perform so poorly (for what I want them for) that it's just not worth messing with to me.

[@99timewaster]

I noticed that with Hamboards. You can't generate much speed by pumping, you can only do tight turns

[@SurfskateLove]

@@99timewaster Exactly.

[@gblan]

I woulda used angled risers.

[@harrison3927]

i havent heard of those before are they better of the gullwings do you think?

[@alternator7893]

@@harrison3927 have you learned what riser pads are yet?

[@MrPorschkub]

I suggest you to use Gullwing in back Truck and than use Meraki CX C7 Slide Water borne in Front Truck. You will get a new feeling.

[@SurfskateLove]

I want a stable back truck on a surfskate. I don't think that would work well at all.

[@kopchaipoompanich8752]

Surfskate Love you must try!!! You will love it 😍

[@Sunshine-hx8uz]

Please review it with Waterborne Adapter Thank you sir

[@dfchannel7447]

you can test this sidewinder truck in the back with a yow meraki ou smoothstar in front. A Brazilian surfskate developer is using this sidewinder truck in the back o their top LINE surfskate. This Guy is Chico, their Mark is Chico's skate para surfar. Nice vídeo! Thanks

[@dfchannel7447]

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[@SurfskateLove]

That would be horrible, IMHO. What give a surfskate thrust is the combination of a loose front truck with a stable rear. With a soft, mushy, and flexible rear, you lose thrust.

[@dfchannel7447]

​@@SurfskateLoveI think that the ideal behind that is try to more closed curve in a more agressivo line whitout do drift the tail of skate. E And in Aliexpress we can found many sellers sell a combination of yow merak in front whit a truck like a glowing of 6.25" in the rear. If more stable truck give us more impulse because we dont see any street truck (no inverted truck) in the rear of any surfskate? I can understand your point, but some Sense can exist. For example, old version of surfeeling uses a truck 9" of long board in the tail and a very slim in front.

[@brettnordling2417]

They are tippy turn I wedged mine and the response was faster to Deck lean but they have to much slop due to double kingpin nit enough snap back to centre. But you for sure want a dead rear truck or you will just loose momentum.

[@surfskatepuzzle]

Sidewinders/hamboards are not bad for pumping. It's all about how you use them. It's impossible to pump these boards being in straight position, so you have to compress/extend your body when you turn - its a hard work if you are not used to it.

[@SurfskateLove]

I don't like how they pump at all.

[@psoun1541]

This is exactly right, a lot of the issue might be technique. A Shane Lai style of compression/twist/extension might work better. Curious if after more than a year of experience how you'd fare with these.

[@dragonfist]

how about putting the softest possible bushings? or using this only for the back truck (and putting a good surfskate one in front)?

[@Rideables]

Thank you, I was just wondering if they're suitable for pumping. Other takeaways seem to be - longer wheelbase, taller deck height (is it taller?) . Maybe softer bushings or releasing bushings might help, but the need for 1" riser with 69mm Carver wheels speaks for itself - Waterborne would probably not have a problem. These two-stack Gullwings can also be assembled as 1-stack with the middle layer taken out. I've seen some crazy photos on FB just recently that someone made a 3-stack gullwing but I'm really not sure it gives any advantage other than looking weird. Single-stack 50 degree gullwings with 10" hanger is probably my favorite choice on Waterborne + large wheels + 42" deck + 80 .. 85 .. 97mm wheels for longer distances and speed.

[@SurfskateLove]

Yes, it makes for a wider wheelbase and a taller ride because you need the risers to account for the deep lean. Personally, I don't find it worth messing around with at all. After riding surfskate trucks, the feel of these Sidewinders is downright unpleasant. And no amount of tinkering is going to fix it, IMHO. But always personal preference.

[@onlinewen]

@@SurfskateLove Agree with you. I have one with drop through deck. I do like to push around. But pumping? No

[@stimulus7222]

@@onlinewen is it worth it to go for the drop through and these trucks? What are the main benefits?

[@AcrylicArtsCards]

Super informative! Thanks.

[@LizaLavolta]

ty for this vid. i wanna do a blank deck surfskate and these trucks are out now

[@dougnoble5303]

Just got em on sector 9 for 10 $ complete think theyre ok nothing like carver but for 10 im stoked

[@h3rtz]

works well as a rear truck paired with a Meraki

[@songkarnclaybloom2183]

I think the truck is mounted behind the rail. for rocking with the rear wheel still touching the ground. The front of the board uses the original Truck Swing. The operation should be like that.

[@bernardinotj]

Longboard shape could work with carvin (surf simulation) trucks?

[@elvergalarga6016]

Wonder how they would do with a tkp on the back. With inches of risers of course

[@SurfskateLove]

They have too much of what I would call a "mushy" feel. No bounce or spring. So there's no modifications you could do to these that would make me like them personally. But to each his own.

[@Lehite]

Just beware of tearing the meniscus in your knee when trying to pump on a board that doesn’t want to pump easy if you haven’t adapted yourself to that board. A few years back I did my knee in trying to pump on a carpet down a long corridor, there was too much resistance. Thankfully I recovered with physiotherapy and I can pump again now.

[@henriquecavalcantipequeno7212]

nice vid. would you recommend a model of trucks that are good for carvings and slalom but stable enough to ride pools and bowls?

[@SurfskateLove]

Carver CX for sure!

[@KiteBird31]

Hello can you try this system only for rear truck with a front surfskate truck please (ideally waterbone). It could be a good alternative to rear adapter to have lean and turn, but better shape to drop un bowl. Thank you for all your tests

[@michaell8002]

I agree with you however I am only 5'6 and I have these trucks on a 30 inch cruiser board with concave and I love it on small hills and smooth surfaces. It's definitely difficult to learn IMO but to me, it's worth the effort along with my Waterborne. I agree though this is not a surfskate truck whatsoever. Great vid🤙 stay well

[@TheReal_DeanD]

Damn. No wonder Zumiez was blowing these out some time ago. Well I'm stuck with a pair and will have to make do. On the Sector 9 channel they made these look like real fun on the Barra Soap deck with a super short wheelbase.

[@ryanonthirdearth]

These are one of my favorite style trucks. That being said, they are not a very smooth surf. They have more of a bounding sort of surf style to them where you inject a huge amount of force at the Apex of every cave that’s how I always get the best result.

[@sganzerlag]

I have these trucks on a 27 inch mini cruiser deck. Definitely not great for pumping. However, I really like them for cruising around town. They turn a lot sharper than regular TKP trucks and lean a lot more too, which I like. I agree, though, that these are not for surf skating.

[@lowtechleon9874]

I wonder if they make a good backtruck for a surfskate with cx in the front...

[@letsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoletsgo]

I read for surfskating, the back truck is like an anchor , meaning it should be quite stiff. This got me thinking, waterborne surf adaptor upfront , gbomb tortion tail out back ?

[@SurfskateLove]

Correct, the stable rear truck acts as fins on a surfboard to produce thrust.

[@mrafitzy17]

Have you ever tried pumping on stock Paris trucks?

[@Jayeadgbe]

I'm going to try one of these as a rear truck with a Meraki front...

[@SurfskateLove]

That won't be good. It will have the same effect as sidewinders on front and rear. What gives a surfskate propulsion is the combination of a radically turning front truck with a stable rear truck. With a mushy, floppy rear, you can't get propulsion and pump nearly as well.

[@Jayeadgbe]

@@SurfskateLove I just tried it and worked pretty nice actually. More lean which I like, and very carvey. I also use a waterborne adapter with 78a bushings on the rear of another board with a Meraki, which works great. It''s nice to be able to dial more lean with less turn, which makes med/high speed riding feel way better to me. Board gets a more surf/snow powder feeling angle instead of mostly edge pressure at speed.

[@theoriginalrabbithole]

Thank you..SO MUCH for saving me $100.00! I have a longboard and I'm looking to replace my Indy 215s with a "carvier"? lol truck for pumping down the bike trail. Great info! Keep up the good work! *Liked & Subscribed. Edit: Ever ride Ace AF1 77s(9.5")? I have the 55s(8.5") and 33s(8") and love them!

[@samplays9253]

Hi there. If I bought 10” ones would they work on a 9” board? Thanks

[@kelchuk2]

I agree these are not the best on the flats. I did use them on a couple of decks paired with Waterborne adapter and rear adapter. It is a very smooth, carvy ride, especially with soft wheels. But, compared to Paris V3 trucks on same setups, there is a loss of speed on the flats and uphill. Thus, in my opinion, this setup is good for those who like riding Waterborne setups and want to change it up with another setup. Personally, if I want a break from my favorite board with Waterborne and Paris V3 , a rare ride would be sufficient. Could have more use riding small grade roads with marginal speed where you want the great turning radius on a rough road.

[@ShortbusBoss]

Since when could you pump a long board without pushing off the ground 😮

[@JayDeeTee]

Again you are like the wiki for surfskate heaven. What trucks would you recommend for 47“ longboard with the intent to surfskate cruise cities/beach boulevards?

[@SurfskateLove]

Lots of stuff will work, it just depends on the deck (width, wheelbase, flex, etc.). I currently have 10 custom setups between 50" and 60", and the ones that have worked best for them are: Carver C7 and CX (with 85a bushings on front) Waterborne Aquilo Meraki Abian Pro Bottom line is, just play with it and see what works best. Good luck and have fun!

[@JayDeeTee]

@@SurfskateLove going for a 60“ Koastal drifter 2 and will try my yow and carver cx c7 first. Did you ever check revenge torsion Alpha Trucks? 🙏

[@gustavoplaza_]

I have a long longboard 127cm, with inverted longboard trucks, common ones, can someone tell me if installing double kingpin trucks would be a good fit for something intermediate between cx trucks and inverted lb trucks? I would like to be able to have a classic surf vibe on the board. Thanks.

[@SurfskateLove]

I think you're much better off getting a real surfskate.

[@gustavoplaza_]

@@SurfskateLove Thank you!

[@StickandBrickGames]

What about a waterborne in front and one of those in back?

[@SurfskateLove]

That would be awful. Probably worse than just Sidewinders on both front and rear. What makes a surfskate work is the combination of a radically turning front truck with a stable rear truck.

[@raydylem]

I have a Sector9 34 Fortune Ft. Point. with the surf adapter and Sidewinder 2's on Orangatang 70mm 83a and I'm loving it. As a lifelong surfer it's the closest I've felt to actual surfing. Love the customization the Waterborne adapter has given me to set it up the way I want it.

[@kelchuk2]

I have tried Sidewinder 2s and Waterborne on a couple different setups from 31-33 inch and 9.5-10 inches wide and settled on one setup with the Steve Steadham board from Powell Peralta. On top of that, I have altered washer/bushing setups, truck tightness, etc. Like yourself, I too, like this setup and the long list of customizable options. Like yourself, I had a long surfing history in my 20s and 30s. However, I have other Waterborne setups with Paris V3s that I like too. One edge Sidewinder 2 and Waterborne(with rear adapter) has is a very smooth ride.

[@brit4632]

Make a video of this board!!

[@musk-eteer9898]

thanks, i decided on the waterborne adapter instead.

[@straight2curveus]

What if you put 1 on the back of the yow. More lean?

[@SurfskateLove]

Makes it mushy and wouldn't pump as well. Thrust on a surfskate is generated by the combination of a loose front truck combined with a more stable rear truck.

[@sgtsalty307]

What about the Sidewinders on a Waterborn? Would it be a good idea?

[@Rideables]

Would likely be uncomfortably tall for some, and wheel-bite prone.

[@SurfskateLove]

No way. Both of them individually are very divey. Together, it would be WAY too much. Unmanageable tip/lean.

[@Rideables]

@@SurfskateLove single layer sidewinders on harder bushings or even soft knuckles is my long distance choice though for waterborne.

[@sgtsalty307]

@@SurfskateLove Thanks. I use the sidewinder II Trucks for regular cruising, but im highly interested in a surfskate option.

[@robsonrobson4999]

@@Rideables Isn't a single layer sidewinder a "normal" TKP truck?

[@barrydworak]

One inch risers? I have a longer torso and shorter legs. My anthropometry is not freakish or anything, but I REALLY notice tall risers. Pushing on this thing with 1" risers sounds like slacklining on a longboard. 😁

[@surfskaterelaxation8616]

Dear Steve where do I get bushings for the yows id like some ultra hard ones.I looked a few days no results

[@SurfskateLove]

I'm sorry but I don't know. Can't you just use any bushings though?

[@surfskaterelaxation8616]

No aparently not their are different than on a normal cruiser.No worries I ll keep looking Thanks

[@99timewaster]

2:09 is that your daughter recording? I see her reflection on the door

[@SurfskateLove]

Yeah she films all my videos.

[@gijs_d]

I just got a slide surf skate board, and need some help The front truck is self-loosening, do you have any tips on preventing this?

[@SurfskateLove]

No, I'm sorry but I haven't heard of this.

[@gijs_d]

@@SurfskateLove thanks for the quick reply, i will look further for an answer

[@MrFreezook]

I'd like to see you Surfskating without putting you back foot on the tail for a change. Try it out. You will understand what this tiny change does, and how it could be beneficial for style

[@SurfskateLove]

Asking sincerely: how do you explain that people are all over the board on this? I’ve had several trainers say to put your foot as far back on the tail as possible.

[@jasonhoffman218]

You've made want to buy skate/surf board,have to see who's manufacturing

[@JoshuaTClark]

Excellent demo….honest review….you are an amazing surf skater!!🛹❤

[@ReluctantReader]

How a lot of flex can seemingly make but ultimately break the concept of pumping trucks.

[@SurfskateLove]

Yep.

[@copyright24]

I completely disagree with the conclusion about the truck itself, specially at 6:45. These truck are insane carving machine but you need to redo the test with a stiff board and more speed, all the video you were with a very low speed so the trucks doesn't shine at all this way. You don't need the riser if you also put them a bit tighter, specially if you're getting more speed. And that's my opinion but I've always found the "surfing" trucks just something for beginner or kids. A pair of Paris with good bushings and you can pump for long distance with it easily, steadier and more versatile too.

[@SurfskateLove]

We have different preferences. The fact that I can't pump at low speeds is the whole point for me. And I'm not interested in LDP, I'm interested in surfskating.

[@mgconsulting2570]

Cara eu comprei um conjunto desses truck e não gostei. Nada é tão bom quanto o Carver.👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Bahkxng]

hi. i'm from thailand🥰

[@Benjahmind]

Put em on a long board and they work well

[@SurfskateLove]

I won't like the mushy feel no matter what board they're on.

[@dougnoble5303]

Watch the sector 9 videos spotlighting the sidewinders if that doesn't change your mind I believe it's all about skill and less about equipment watch when they give legit surfers sidewinder 2s

[@logame6770]

what is the board?

[@SurfskateLove]

Carver Greenroom

[@68644731]

The best surfskate is a sidewinder truck in the front and a normal or inverted truck in the back with a shape similar to the Black type or similar ones. I've tested it and there's nothing better. Test and verify. To make it better, put 90 A bushings on the sidewinder truck. I saw that you said that sidewinder is not a surfskate and is analyzed wrong because you put him behind and in front. In this way it boosts more than Carver CX and You etc. Text and you will verify..

[@SurfskateLove]

Well, no one can say which is the "best surfskate" for anyone else, because we all have different preferences. And I test products as they are, not modified.

[@68644731]

@@SurfskateLove almost all surfskates use a different truck in the front than the rear and as you said that the sidewinder is not a surfskate with two identical trucks I am explaining that it is being used in the same way as other surfskates. And if you test it, you'll understand that it runs better than the Carver CX, which is your favorite, in my opinion. Test and check the wheelbase can be 15 inches between holes to get 17 inches for you. when I say it's the best it was just to provoke you to try it because it's really good. The back truck you have to see which one will look better and test until you find it. The back truck can even be one of Carver's needs to deal with. I already sent this tip to sector nine but as I don't have tel access and I don't speak English I don't know if. write a text and tell me if it's good or not please and if you like it let them know they will be glad to know i am an inventor and i have the ability to find solutions where sometimes people don't

[@68644731]

@@SurfskateLove the great advantage of the sidewinder is that you can combine two bushings with different hardness and have the best for what you want.

[@68644731]

@@SurfskateLove And you can also choose the rear axle that best suits you. Normal, inverted or even one of the carver or others like revenge etc

[@dendea7]

I think must be reduced wheel base

[@robrod8220]

Put it on atleast a 39'

[@EkapolTharasiriroj]

It might pump better if you put a normal truck in the back.

[@SurfskateLove]

Thought of that. But I don’t like how they feel anyway so it wasn’t worth it to me to mess with them.

[@patinadorsincero]

Alguém um dia resolveu chamar de simulador de surf esses trucks Gullwing, mas não! Eles não são simuladores. São apenas trucks com boa capacidade de curva em longboards.

[@ducla3429]

you need to loose the front trucks a little bit

[@SurfskateLove]

All that would do is make it even more tippy and harder to pump. IMO, they're not even worth messing with.

[@davegladstone4151]

@@SurfskateLove you might consider tuning both trucks, tighening the back truck hard on the lower kingpin (the one that enters the baseplate) to lessen the tip of the board, and then gradually tighten the kingpin which hold the hanger, little by little with test runs between the gradual tighening. Additionally changing to higher durometer bushings (just a few dollars to experiment) on the lower kingpin, and depending on weight and style possibly all four bushings on the rear truck..... Tuning your equipment to your style and preferences goes a long way with regards to all equipment.... it is good to remind yourself that in most cases, the equipment is not custom built with just your size/weight/skill level in mind, as most products are made to cover a range of weight and size riders.... tuning will take you a long ways with much of your equipment; and you may discover that as your skills progress, you will need to re-tune as those skills become refined. If you want the same feel as what you presently liking, you may want to consider using a surfadapter on the front instead of a riser, and tighting the rear up to achieve the feel that seems to be for you at this particular time... Peace young Jedi

[@SurfskateLove]

@@davegladstone4151 Thought about messing with them a bit. But IMO, they're just not worth the hassle. No matter how much time I put into tweaking them, they're never going to come close to what a good surfskate truck can do.

[@nemocacihlas4876]

Wedge the front de-wedge the back

[@diegoitalia3117]

Never liked that truck neither for longboard... Gullwing chargers 10" are way better but of course not for surfskate. The back truck anyway must be a normal stamdard kingpin truck... Then maybe try with angled riser on the front truck sidewinder. In that way less lean more turn. But it s not gonna work good as the specific surskate front trucks

[@SurfskateLove]

Exactly. Not worth even trying to modify.

[@DunderHead.5000]

More of a 'lean' board for hill bombing or something.

[@salariasking3980]

Sidewinders will pump comfortably in a longboard at mild downhill conditions. Been riding these since 2013 as a substitute for the original trucks. Yeah not for surfskate.

[@dougnoble5303]

Do revenge

[@SurfskateLove]

I'm not a fan of those, either.

[@Lehite]

Gullwings are probably best suited for land paddling.

[@luuxii]

Awful trucks

[@MrFreezook]

Now that Surfskate Trucks exist - Sidewinder trucks are kind of pointless - I feel sorry for the Sidewider company. defeats the purpose

[@SurfskateLove]

Agreed.

[@noelartuz2361]

Sorry sherif But I disagree. Since Waterborne came to the scene the use of the Sidewinder with the rail adapter on the back made the carving game even better.Many people has been using this setup for long time now. You just can't use them for the front. But definitely Sidewinder is the choice for the back and Caliber trucks on the front because they have no rake. That's what makes Waterborne awesome.You build it the way its right for you with many different combination and choices.you are never stuck with factory settings. Sidewinder+ rail adapter combine will give you more torque uphill and on the flat especially .They are fluid together. I know because I've been rocking this setup for one whlole year now on a 27" wheelbase with ease. Also a lot of Eboard are using the same design as (Sidewinder 2) on their factory setups. And no Sidewinders are not Surfskate trucks I don't know where that came about and don't feel sorry for them because they probably got more buyers around world then all Surfskate companies put together.lol

[@robsonrobson4999]

@@noelartuz2361 Are you sure that placing the sidewinder with the rail to rail adapter at the back has more than just the effect of rising your tail?

[@robsonrobson4999]

I have to try them out in combination with a dropthrough board. Not for a surfskate though! They are very easy to turn trucks without any wedging. So they do have their uses. And Sector Nine (the producer of the sidewinder truck) won' t have any problems because of the rise of surfskates ;-).

[@MrFreezook]

@@noelartuz2361 duuuude 🥴🤙go have fun with your waterborne + scorpion /spider deck + TKP in front + double ginormous sidewinder at the back , and god knows what wheels, yeah... no problem , I won't stop you. A whole yeah.. 🥴🤣

[@dragon1indo162]

One thing I've noticed about all these videos is all you people are matching up the wrong Deck with the Sidewinder trucks you can't just put any deck on there and expect to carve

[@SurfskateLove]

Which is another way of saying they don't really work well as surfskate trucks...