Do Heavy Arrows KILL More Deer? w/ The Ranch Fairy | Hunters Advantage Podcast

In today's episode, we sat down with Troy Fowler, aka "The Ranch Fairy." Troy is an expert in arrow lethality. We discuss the benefits of heavy arrows, high FOC, tuning, what drives penetration, and more. If you want to build the deadliest hunting arrows possible, this podcast is for you. Make sure to subscribe for more episodes.
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[@NoSkunkNation]

Dude troy is a real dude who deserves alot more. He really does help the general public and average guys like us. He says he answers questions and he really does when ya message him. Not like alot of other guys. Humble dude.

[@huntersadvantage2.0]

He is a beast. We really enjoyed talking with him. He is doing a lot to help the average joe.

[@Lovenlife139]

Very genuine person. We need part 2 CB

[@johnathonarnold9070]

Like that you have Mr Fowler a fair shake. He emailed me several times and helped me get my Apollo kit shooting bullet holes and the finished product is on its way now. No one else does that. Now to tune the broad heads

[@buckshot0203]

Haha was just going through my old bow junk and came across my old overdraw and it made me laugh hearing Troy mention it

[@daveyboy8907]

But back then this was a free country..Awesome quote from Troy.

[@quintenbullard2921]

I shoot a medium heavy arrow as the average dude (515-565 gr). I went to that because I was having issues with mechanicals. So I’d rather deal with the yardage thing and i have missed a buck because of it. But I’ll take that over shooting them perfectly broadside and coming out of the guts or only getting one lung. At the end of the day shoot what you’re confident in. Just be critical so you confident in a sufficient setup and not just getting by

[@huntersadvantage2.0]

100% agree.

[@steelereels7500]

Love listening to your guys's podcast also keep up the good work and good luck this season

[@HUNTERSADVANTAGE]

Thank you man. We really appreciate it!

[@C.Fowler]

Great show guys… Lots of good info… 😊👍

[@huntersadvantage2.0]

Thank you, brother!

[@casanovafrankenstein8875]

Never seen an over draw? 🤯

[@christoon7848]

Find the Waddell video where his mechanical literally bounces off the deer inside of 40 yards I think it was and then remember this entire conversation with Troy

[@covidcrotch1960]

Thanx

[@glennl9630]

Truth!

[@steelereels7500]

Florida's in the house glad I stepped into this industry as a bowhunter and not to Archer RF and Darrel Burnett have really put things into perspective for me as a common human being

[@african7498]

This notion that a lighter arrow gives more leeway when distances needs to be quantified. A 370gr arrow at 300 fps zeroed at 20m will drop 6 inches at 30m. A 550gr arrow at 246 fps will drop 9 inches - both can comfortably miss or wound - this highlights the importance of getting distances correct. Light arrows are not those flat shooting machines people seem to think they are. It will take the heavy arrow 2 hundredth's of a second longer to cover 20m.

[@sethhussey5804]

The analogy for the downrange KE is throwing a baseball vs throwing one of those plastic kids toy balls... everyone who's ever done it knows the feeling difference intuitively

[@HUNTERSADVANTAGE]

That’s a great analogy!

[@austinphillips9966]

Hamskea makes an overdraw mount for their new rests

[@apexpredatoroutdoors8308]

People that want to discredit RF typically misrepresent his information. They tend to focus on one of the factors, and ignore the rest. Twelve factors are just too many for some.

[@african7498]

An Easton Axis 5mm with 200gr head will weigh a total of 550gr with 3 blazer vanes with 16% FOC.

[@chrisruzsa2798]

Archery is a science and there is two types of archers. Ones whom want to hit the target. The others whom want to go through the target and they do not mix. However i used fix and mechanicals and using mechanicals again. If you are using a light setup you have to use fixed heads. Heavier i do believe can handle the mechanical because of the energy dump factor. 0.7 momentum will drop to 0.4 at impact and still go through. You never want to hit heavy bones anyways probably single bevel will do a great job but anything should go through the bone if the weight is good and foc is good.

[@bennypapino3670]

Mechanicals might work on high foc setups but why would you when you even said a single bevel is better?

[@chrisruzsa2798]

@@bennypapino3670 good question. It depends on the kinetic energy machine. If you are using a crossbow the mechanical advantage will absorb a lot of the power on impact causing the passthrough to deplete its energy not skipping off hundreds of yards into the ground or forest. The bolt will pass through and drop ideally. They also benefit a lot from heavier bolts because of their inefficiencies. Vertical suffers with mechanical and really perform the best with fixed and single bevel. There are reasons for both and where both work the best and some setups work great for one form of archery but not so great in others.

[@stephenballard3759]

Holy flying c*** we're already past the overdrawn? Is like people don't even know what an overdraw is? God. I remember standing next to guys at the archery range, shooting a PSE bow with what we called "hatchet cams", and a 22" 2512 aluminum arrow, 90 grain points, etc..... Those bows used to sound like a rifle going off. Smack! So loud, they'd make a guy jump. I guess i'm old cause I still think of that is new. I remember when parallel limbs became a thing. I remember all the things they were doing to quiet down those loud bows.

[@Lovenlife139]

Is nock tuning done before fletching? My store bought GT Hunter's come pre fletched, if i start turning the nock in different positions it throws my cock vain off. Thanx guys. Respect from Central/West Texas

[@evanniblett225]

Knock tune fletched arrows with broadheads on and mark what will be your cock fletching with a sharpie and in the future fletch your arrows with the same color vanes So you don’t have an odd color pointing a weird way if that’s something that matters to you

[@Texaslivinoutdoors]

Outside of using a range finder your pin gaps are way bigger with a heavy arrow makes it harder to guess and shoot your pin gaps. You should of asked him why he never shoots TAC with his 700+ grain arrows

[@huntersadvantage2.0]

I'm assuming becuase your max range would probably be 50 yards.

[@Texaslivinoutdoors]

@@huntersadvantage2.0 I hate how this heavy arrow argument only focuses on hitting hard. If you can’t hit it doesn’t matter how hard it hits

[@huntersadvantage2.0]

@@Texaslivinoutdoors why can't you hit it with a heavy arrow?

[@Texaslivinoutdoors]

@@huntersadvantage2.0 if your bows max range is 50yards and the animals at 65

[@Texaslivinoutdoors]

@@huntersadvantage2.0 or if your arrow has a crazy ark to it and there’s a branch hanging down a faster flatter shooting arrow would help

[@michaelvstheworld3680]

If your hunring arrows weigh less than 700 grains you probably also buy tampons for your mangina which is just one of many problems in a microcosom of more serious issues in your life.

[@huntersadvantage2.0]

I can't stop laughing. :D

[@michaelvstheworld3680]

@@huntersadvantage2.0 🤪

[@toddbradford4700]

No tampons usage here. Just someone sitting back and laughing at dumbasses who have been gulled into shooting arrows so heavy they have the trajectory of a coconut thrown by a 3 year old. And all because they obviously can't tune their bow well enough to get a pass through on a deer with anything less than a 1000 grain arrow and a 2 blade broadhead. And who convinced them of this? A man with a nickname that sounds like he should be on a gay beastiality website. LOL! And of course he sells the stuff they need to build these rebar arrows with ridiculous FOC ratings. So of course he has no reason to BS them. LOL! If you need a 700 grain arrow and a single bevel 2 blade broadhead to get a pass through on a deer then something is seriously wrong in Hooterville. Your bow must be so out of tune that the arrow is coming off the rest sideways. LOL!

[@cray-z7404]

STOP SHOOTING TWIZZLERS AND START SHOOTING ADULT ARROWS - (RANCH FAIRY )

[@toddbradford4700]

Stop having a gay name like Ranch fairy and have an adult name. I think that's a better quote. LOL!

[@Texaslivinoutdoors]

The reason pros don’t care about high FOC is because they know how to shoot there bow and bare staff to tuning is only necessary when the front of the arrow is steering it because you have to much FOC.

[@ParasitikOne]

Half the pros that target shoot 80-100 yards have videos shooting 30yard deer with swizzle sticks and the arrows get 5-6 inches of penetration and the deer runs for 300-400 yards…. Because their wobbly arrows have no ass behind them and aren’t flying like darts… they flex and direction on impact

[@stevendrake477]

No one who knows about heavy arrows, and foc says to just toss on a heavy insert and broadhead. This is talked about by anyone who actually knows anything about this subject, there's a balance, regardless of weight to much is to much. You need to look at the spine, the length, what nock you use, what fletchings you use, the fletching length, the fletching width, how much the fletching weigh.and more. There's also a range with foc that works the best without hindering anything. Dr Ashby starts good foc at 19% that's not hard to get at all. Granted for ultra penetration you could go up to 60% but 19 it fine. With a proper arrow the front pulls it and the back maintains the flight. If it's tuned it doesn't matter the weight or foc. You have to tune things. Not just screw on a Walmart rage hunt, shoot the animal mod body, get 3 inches of penetration with a wobbly Walmart arrow and then have the deer run 400 yards and get a tracking job. I'm at 550 grains, 19% foc and every animal has died in eye sight. Lol no one says you need a 900 grain arrow. There's a range.

[@Texaslivinoutdoors]

@@stevendrake477 that’s cool! I shoot a 450grain arrow with like 12-15% FOC with a mechanical broadhead and all my animals die within eye sight🤷‍♂️ guess I’m just a better archer

[@stevendrake477]

@@Texaslivinoutdoors I have too lol that's not the point you were making, what this podcast was making, or what the heavy arrow debate is about. This is the argument every time. Its always oh I used this or that and it's always worked. That's fantastic! And I'm happy for you. But at some point it MAY fail for whatever reason. I'd rather have a plan b in that situation. Its really that simple. I'd rather hit the deer and have it ethically die vs what a ton of influencers do. Shoot them back, lose the deer then need a tracking dog. I'm not trying to have the animal suffer because of something I had control over. Alot of people act like it's normal to find the deer 15 hours later. I used sever mechanicals last year, all 3 deer I shot they passed through, left the best blood trail I've ever seen, and the blades held up perfectly. 2 years Ago I shot a single bevel. They worked but barely had blood. This year I'm shooting something different. Depending on the bow, and the person taking a ethical shot then most mechanicals are fine. But I know if my set up wasn't good, and a deer was a certain distance, or my set up sucked I'd pass the deer. Most people just shoot without any regard. Good luck this year!

[@Texaslivinoutdoors]

@@stevendrake477 the point I was making spend more time shooting your bow and less time worrying about FOC and arrow weight cause you might make a bad shot. I shot heavy arrows for a few years and the cons out weighted the pros for me. Good luck to you too👊

[@WMBCS]

No you are more likely to miss with a heavy arrow. More drop/arch substantially more time of flight It literally is the worst thing you can do if you hunt in pressured area

[@stephenballard3759]

Ashby and Fowler disproved this to my satisfaction.

[@jeromymixon11]

heavy arrows do not carry speed down range, if so the shot put would be thrown 150 yards. a heavy foc is a crutch for not knowing how to tune a bow.

[@bennypapino3670]

Whatever you say buddy

[@toddbradford4700]

@@bennypapino3670 He's right. So maybe you should listen.

[@gregredmon5142]

@@toddbradford4700Lol, no he’s not, the data has been shown.

[@toddbradford4700]

@@gregredmon5142 If you have to shoot a arrow that weighs as much as a section of rebar with an insert, weight tubes, front over cap, brass spacers and a 200 grain broadhead in order to get decent arrow flight then you don't know shit from Shinola and can't tune a fracking compound bow. I have bow hunted for 40 years now with both recurve and compound bows. All this heavy arrow stuff and adding more weight up front has relevance to tuning a recurve or longbow for good arrow flight. And it costs you nothing because the average shot when hunting with a recurve is 20 yards and in so arrow trajectory is not much of a concern. But flinging these 700 grain arrows with a ridiculous FOC from a compound is unnecessary, screws your arrow trajectory and makes a minor miscalculation in range far more likely to cause a miss or bad hit. I am shooting a 430 grain arrow with a 100 grain broadhead and it flies PERFECTLY out of my compound. There is nothing on the North American continent that will survive that arrow placed behind their shoulder from my bow as I have proved many times. But by all means run buy another Ranch Fairy test kit. LOL! Maybe he will send you some KY jelly along with it. When you are being screwed you should at least have some lubrication. LOL!

[@evanniblett225]

Man light arrow guys are like leftist they get so defensive when someone disagrees

[@robertporteus7700]

There's no such thing as a fool proof arrow 350 to 650. Shoot what works for you and the type of game your huntig.

[@reddawng43x91]

Bs

[@reddawng43x91]

Let me tell u all this once, shooting a stupid stiff over spined arrow / adding 600 grains up front all that does is “ cover up and hide flaws in your bow tune” ! Period! Just like fletchings covers flaws!

[@stephenballard3759]

Other way around. Goofing around with weak arrows because you just HAVE to hit 300 fps, shooting a 75 gr broadhead etc. Is just covering up problems. Fletching a ping-pong knuckleball out of a tortured wheel-bow until it pretends to act right.......