DO INDUCTION KITS REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE?? 🤔 N57 3.5" Performance Air Intake!! 💨

[@andrewb9456]

Top boys once again, creeping closer to that 500hp everyone wants to see. Id love to see the difference on the road between this spec and a deleted mapped 35d Love the work as always!

[@wedder5]

I've done DPF delete last weekend on my F31 N57D30B the sound it is realy amazing, one of the other owners already deleted the muffler hope this will not give any problems at our yearly inspection (APK for the dutch) If so I will fix it by building an muffler in it wich I could delete again easley. And for this video, I again learned a lot like all those other video's! Again many thanks as I go learning how the welld next month and I will try to welld a bigger intake I really love to maintain the car by my own and learn as much as possible of how everything works togethere. So many thanks for sharing all your experience/knowledge!

[@kisskissg60]

Great to see some development going into redesigning the standard air intake on the 30/35 bmw at last.👍

[@keithryan9314]

Dark side doing us proud with the old oil burners😊

[@ricowswave1324]

The N57 engine platforms are highly capable even a simple map can see good figures let alone upgrading intakes boost etc.

[@whatta7793]

Wish we had a shop like your guys here in the states!

[@carnut9193]

Great content and great results. Keen for some B57 testing with similar mods

[@keithryan9314]

The throttle response from the looks of it is instant 😊 Danny

[@MatthewBrooks-b8g]

Looking forward to seeing where this goes, would be interested in buying one. good work guys.

[@covingtonrace1]

Not if its sucking air from the engine bay, nice cold air feeds from outside with a box to separate the engine bay heat. What about a hot summer in town with traffic, surely its gonna heat soak breathing from the engine bay?

[@carnut9193]

If you hot lapped it possibly. However, 8.10s in the 100 - 200 is a result that speaks for itself. Looks tricky to design a high flow filter system for that space.

[@Dan23_7]

Intercoolers/charge coolers sort that out. No vehicle on the planet will get perfectly cold air sat in traffic 🤷🏽

[@stevejones224]

Turbo cars doesn’t really matter where it is as the intercooler does its job anyway so will always increase power. N/A then it won’t make a difference and may lose power

[@DarksideDevelopments]

How much power do you need in traffic? When moving, the factory cold air feed does a pretty good job at providing the filter with cold air and cooling that size of the engine bay. The 'hot' components (turbo, manifold, downpipe) are seperated by the engine at the other side. As already commented, the IAT's are mainly affected by the efficiency of the turbo and intercooler

[@covingtonrace1]

@@DarksideDevelopments The lower you start with the better surely? breathing air from the engine bay is always going to be a higher starting temperature than direct from the outside? Especially with pipework snaking around the engine, unless you have a super efficient/large cooler.

[@TeamAtterz]

So its me being boring as always but the likely reason they had to squash the stock pipe will be to do with clearance to the bonnet dictated by crash regulation and the movement of the engine (dynamic clearance). Its so if a human ends up on the bonnet the bonnet has some give before hitting the top of the engine. Looks awesome by the way, always tempted by a 435d!

[@stevenkerry3101]

great work once again i love watching these types of tuning videos 👍👍

[@okey100]

Awesome video guys loving your work on these BMW’s I’d love to get mine into you one day.

[@Wizards_Sleeve]

The return of "Mental"... YES 😁👌🏻 Nice work fellas, keep it up 😎👍🏻

[@atw4l690]

Awesome gain guy’s

[@lorisfoucart2475]

The Dragy times go hard

[@chrisberesford3879]

Would've been good too see the intake tested before the 3.5" downpipe was on really, a bit of a bigger turbo for that 35d & it'd easily go over 500hp! My 30d 425hp now, we'll see what this intake does next week back to back hopefully some good results! Maybe a 3.5" downpipe next & hopefully push to 500hp!

[@b1tter606]

Could you give an update on the intake? Have you seen a difference compared to stock without messing around with different downpipes?

[@chrisberesford3879]

@@b1tter606 I will once fitted, my tuner wasn't too happy about fitting it without a heat sheild in the place it is, I'm now 444hp/850nm, so once i rig up some cold air feeds & a heat sheild I'll get some back to back tests, without changing to a 3.5" downpipe because it doesn't make a fair test, to me the downpipe made more of a difference. This 35d is nearly 30hp more than me, but i think I'll catch it once I change to a 3.5" downpipe

[@Aizman87]

Impressive!

[@mapyn131]

Have you ever looked at a tubular exhaust manifold for these? Std manifold looks to have very unequal tract lengths.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

It's something we could look into but there isn't a lot of space around the engine for them and the 6 to 1 collector

[@H6NTY435D]

Guess i've gotta book my 435d in for more work then!

[@RealGX]

0-60 is very impressive. 100-200 not so much but nice work overall.

[@johnshaw8013]

What Dewalt fan can provide more air to a 3.0ltr twin turbo engine running over 20psi boost? The air going up the ram pipe at 100mph is going to be magnitudes more than an electric fan can produce!

[@danielmarshall4587]

Praise be.

[@BigHumz155]

Do the N57/B57 suffer from chain issues? Are the issues exaggerated when you tune them like this??

[@DarksideDevelopments]

They can have issues but the 6 cylinder diesels normally display signs when the chain is worn, a rattle from cold for a few seconds for example. It is rare the chains on these just snap without prior warning unlike the N47 engines.

[@mclovingtjuk8974]

So the old software, 3.5 Down pipe and new intake actually looks like the better drivable result, but slightly less peak power… below 2k the 3” with new intake and the 3.5” with new intake and software revision seem to both loose like 100lbft and 50 or so bhp? It’s hard to see because of graph colour - do you think cams make a difference here? It looks awesome regardless, just an interesting observation.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

This can be just how the dyno loads it up but realistically the gearbox will always drop down to above 2000rpm when accelerating so you would never notice a difference on the road. Cams would likely make a small difference on this too but quite a lot of work for smaller gains when at this level

[@mickeypopa]

This is very interesting work, I'm curious about it. 🤔 I do have a few questions though: 1) is this the stock drive train and if yes, how capable is it to handle substantially increased stress from all the extra power? 2) are egr and dpf deleted on this car, and how would the car perform with the stock setup? and 3) how much additional hardware would be required to handle all this, beside the bigger turbo and intercooler? P.S. I'm interested in 30d since I own F10 530d (July 2015)

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Best to email us but the Transmission etc all seem happy!

[@mickeypopa]

@@DarksideDevelopments Ok, thanks! 👍

[@georgekyriacou9331]

Noob question is it this or an upgraded air filter, can’t have both right? And also is a tune necessary after instalation, I am already running stage 2

[@DarksideDevelopments]

You can replace just the panel filter in the airbox or replace the full pipe and filter like this kit. Some vehicles will need software once installed to account for the extra air intake.

[@limitlessconnection]

What are the realistic gains if your turbo is stock? Ive got dpf swirl flat and egr delete with full 3.5 inch exhaust and currently 333bhp and 740nm of torque. How much more bhp could i see with this induction? Too add also stock intercooler im about to order yours 🙈

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We usually see 365-390BHP on a remap. With Intercooler and induction they have tipped 400bhp. Stock turbos are fairly strong on them

[@easyerc2226]

Ok so I’ve been waiting for this for ages 😂😂 I need one

[@craigrobinson5498]

What happened to the botten end of the graph on the 30d after in intake 🧐

[@DarksideDevelopments]

This can be just how the dyno loads it up but realistically the gearbox will always drop down to above 2000rpm when accelerating so you would never notice a difference on the road

[@mightdiesel6pot]

Impressive power figures and the 0-60 is amazing for a 1.7t family saloon. A couple of things I'm assuming: the engine cover can't be fitted due to the enlarged cross pipe diameter and a strut brace would be the same.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Yeah, engine cover wont fit anymore, not sure about a strut brace

[@davebgsi]

Does it change the noise of the car?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Yeah, you get some intake noise

[@modermonkula]

That's the only reason i fit an intake is more noise

[@chickenmatiasevich]

That’s awesome. What year cars are they? Cheers

[@DarksideDevelopments]

2015

[@JAK2308]

I’m looking at getting a 30d xdrive, considering it’s xdrive would I better off getting the 35d ?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

The 35d are are better out of the box but the 30d can also be upgraded and usually a bit cheaper to purchase in the first place.

[@kevincerin3618]

The single turbo ones also sound way better,the 35d sounds good but more like a jet moving,whereas the 30d has a deeper growl

[@andygill3837]

What's the cost to achieve this? I have a 335d and would like a little more poke.

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Drop us an email to [e-mail] with reg/vin and we can give you a breakdown of costs and power figures

[@johnshaw8013]

So how long will the ZF 8HP70 gearbox last when max recommended torque for that box is circa 700Nm

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Time will tell but we've done plenty and they are still going strong with ridiculous power

[@johnshaw8013]

@@DarksideDevelopments how much for that tune., intercooler etc... I've got am F30 335d 😁

[@johnshaw8013]

All the 335d guys round here keep recommending a guy called Glen in North Wales 😉 Do you know him, apparently he's a legend on the scene!

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We know Glen, just drop us an email!

[@riananderson1970]

What kind of power could I get from a 335d with a downpipe?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

M57's we expect 350-360 and N57's we get 365-390bhp

[@kevincerin3618]

Can you put the cover back if you run this intake?the engine cover*

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Unfortunately not, no

[@keithryan9314]

For that level of power rear wheel drive would be like a bull in a China shop 😂

[@ZKRITTEX]

This are xdrive

[@MyEduard2010]

Do you have solutions for N57 oil pumps? i think they need an upgrade:))

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We've not come across any issues personally yet and we've not got any upgrades but it's something we may look into

[@MyEduard2010]

@@DarksideDevelopments It`s a common problem for N57 that after 200k km it start to eat rods. Looks like the oil pump it`s not doing it`s job very well. An improved oil pump and a heat shield for the bottom of the engine might solve the problem

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We'll have a look into it!

[@IT_Scientist]

How do you get 400hp on it? I barely have ˜300hp with +-650nM on my F11 N57D30A Stage1 with 2.1bar and my intake is different the big round one on top..

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We have a tuning guide here for the N57's - www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/Blog/tuning-the-bmw-x30d-n57n-n57d30a-30-diesel-engine/ For any further advise on parts, drop us an email to [e-mail] with reg/vin and we can help you out

[@stephencoll236]

What kind of increase would WMI add to this setup?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

should be similar to other projects.

[@stephencoll236]

Nice, so with WMI and a revised tune it might hit 500bhp. Incredible work as always. I've got a 435d running your intercooler and a quantum tune.....saving up for the 3.5" downpipe, WMI and custom tune, cams too ideally....

[@TheDragerboy]

So is the blue 335D on Hybrid turbos??

[@DarksideDevelopments]

It is yeah - www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/bmw-f-series-35d-40d-performance-hybrid-bi-turbo-upgrade.html

[@radoslawrojek7032]

750 lb-ft ? When the zfhp70 box will give up then ??

[@DarksideDevelopments]

It's a ZF8HP in the BMW, they are strong boxes

[@radoslawrojek7032]

@@DarksideDevelopments surely 1000NM is too much

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We've tuned a few with similar figures that have been going for years with no issues

[@leeantoniades8744]

NVM. Hold my beer.

[@marcelhartmans]

When you do this for the M57?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Not sure yet, might be something we look into

[@marcelhartmans]

Better question, is it necessary because I’ve heard that on the M57 it isn’t really a problem?

[@flam7469]

Still looking for an air intake replacement for a 2009 730d. Anyone???

[@DarksideDevelopments]

drop us an email to [e-mail] with reg/ vin and we can take a look for you

[@flam7469]

@@DarksideDevelopments did that beginning of the month, you guys said there's nothing suitable. :(

[@joshhiggins4186]

What’s the full spec on this?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Not got one unfortunately, but it's had the intercooler, Hybrid turbo, x50d fuel pump, injector upgrade, custom remap and exhaust to name a few

[@Apaperformance]

Any 1/4 mile test?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

We don't, it would be interesting to see. The 100-200kph results are good comparing them to the OG battle times.

[@Apaperformance]

​​@@DarksideDevelopments 100-200 yes very good and 0-60 very good so 1/4 must be 11.5 or lower

[@degraves6367]

Does this fit us market 2014 535d x drive

[@DarksideDevelopments]

It should but drop us an email with your VIN and we can confirm - [e-mail]

[@danijel8781]

why you dont make for e90 n57?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

The airbox design is quite a bit different on the E90 but something we will look at

[@mapyn131]

is it losing power on the airbox below 2000rpm?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

This is just how the dyno loads it up but realistically the gearbox will always drop down to above 2000rpm when accelerating

[@lewisconnell1234]

Anything for b57

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Not as of yet

[@IamHerbers]

what rims are you using on 330d?

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Which one?

[@IamHerbers]

@@DarksideDevelopments On the black F30

[@otacon4065]

Get your Section 59's out of the LADS!

[@NStarvo]

I want everything mentioned lol

[@DarksideDevelopments]

Drop us an email to [e-mail] with reg/vin for the full list of parts and costs including labour ;)

[@zanarif8310]

If you get your car here, you might aswell have bought and M4 in the first place

[@lilvfr400boy]

Problem is the m cars will being doing 15mpg doing this , less torque so won’t have the same feeling inside. Obviously the m will handle far better and sound arguably a little nicer (not that you can hear them a whole lot when inside ) but can see why someone would do this

[@zanarif8310]

@@lilvfr400boyyeh mate fair play .. pros and cons

[@lilvfr400boy]

@@zanarif8310 definitely, last week went in a friends r32 that’s been supercharged and his m2 stage 1 - mentally the r32 felt so much more dramatic with the noise and torque etc but the m2 speed wise was next level 😂 stage 2 335d x drive is the fastest diesel I’ve been in and that felt like a missile as it was to torque strong 🙂 hard to compare the two without seeing numbers on a draggy or similar

[@BigHumz155]

Way, WAY more torque than an M4 and much higher fuel economy

[@jamesianson8586]

3.2s :----) that is rs6 pace....

[@DarksideDevelopments]

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