Do Most Mass Shooters Have Schizophrenia?

For quite some time, it has been part of the public narrative that mass shootings largely stem from the individual committing the shooting experiencing psychiatric illness, particularly schizophrenia. A new study has been recently published in the Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology titled, 'Domestic Mass Shooters: The Association with Unmedicated and Untreated Psychiatric Illness' (link below). We found many issues with this study, which we discuss in this video. We also discuss the harmful ways in which this study has been picked up in the media.
It is important to understand that while untreated mental illness may play a role in violent crimes such as mass shootings, this type of violence and mass shootings are a product of our culture and society. We shed light on the fact that sex and race and access to guns were even larger predictors of mass shootings. Also the inherent component of alienation and disillusionment from societal groups.
That aside, if we consider that yes, untreated mental illness can also play a role in this type of violent crime, society NEEDS to do a better job of supporting people with psychosis spectrum illnesses. There is a greater message here in the importance of reducing stigma (which this study certainly does not do) and increasing public education. Increased stigma will likely only serve to increase the number of psychosis related mass shootings, due to further public alienation or disillusionment, and decreased access to treatment and supports.
'Domestic Mass Shooters: The Association with Unmedicated and Untreated Psychiatric Illness' article link:
journals.lww.com/psychopharma...
Mother Jones Database on Mass Shootings:
www.motherjones.com/politics/...
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[@TaysonPlaysGuitar]

I've had schizophrenia for nearly 3 years now and showed signs of it from a very young age. It started developing when I was 15 and I'm now 25. I can honestly say I've never thought about committing a mass shooting because 1. Just because a person has schizophrenia doesn't mean they're filled with hate and lack empathy and 2. I'd gain nothing and it'd be devasting to many people. Most mass shooters have the same reasons for doing it and they are anger, hate, and resentment. Those aren't symptoms of schizophrenia.

[@GCAbleism158]

But they are a symptom of the media that stirs outrage.

[@josephdemarzo330]

Lauren you are a much needed voice for people like us. Bless you.

[@chanceDdog2009]

Metaly ill people are more likely to be victims rather than agresors...

[@Burevestnik9M730]

nope. the opposite is true. I reviewed many research studies to get to the bottom of this: THE VAST MAJORITY OF SZ/SZA EITHER KILL THEMSELVES OR OTHERS. Intentionally, this is hidden from the public (otherwise there would be reprisals). Just like there are registries of sex offenders etc. there must be registries of SZ/SZA, PD etc. and people need to know if any such patient lives in their building or neighborhood. Why? The average time from the first onset of illness and getting the first medication is from 5 to 10 years! There are no blood tests. There is no way to diagnose precisely.

[@chanceDdog2009]

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[@josephp8815]

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[@TakeFlightRaven]

This is entirely factual, indeed. Schizophrenic people in particular are 14 times more likely to be the victim of a violent crime than to commit one.

[@WaterproofSoap]

@@Burevestnik9M730 should diabetics have a registry next? How about Downs Syndrome? The "road" you've mention taking has a steep slippery grade with a cliff at the end of it my friend. Please, if you are inclined to research and expand your knowledge, study human history... particularly the parts frought with atrocities. A registry, or 'list' to keep others 'safe' is an open invitation to authoritarian abuses and discriminations. Please give your thesis some more thought.

[@MPG-ub5ke]

I'd love to hear your talk about how parenting a newborn has been like with schizophrenia.

[@CB-vt4ic]

I get so frustrated when the media mentions mental illness and crime, like thanks for further stigmatizing it! Like its only people with mental illnesses that commit crimes?! Seriously makes me so angry😡!

[@jennifermcclurkan9274]

Agree

[@josephp8815]

Ultimately we're all dead men. Sadly we cannot choose how but, we can decide how we meet that end in order that we are remembered as men.

[@lisamatonis4579]

Agreed! I’d also like to include TV shows like Criminal Minds and Law and Order that have a violent murderous perpetrator with schizophrenia as a storyline over and over again. It sets back any hope of de stigmatizing mental illness, and it’s lazy writing. Can’t come up with anything interesting? Let’s have a perp with schizophrenia.

[@yelenarotar2307]

Agree

[@zidapplip]

Thank you for bringing attention to the topic. I recently was in a mental health clinic for about 2 months. Most of the patients there had depression and/or anxiety disorders. However, one day there was a new patient and talked about his psychosis, that he is hearing noises. I have to say, even though I think of myself as an open-minded person, and I have been following you for a while now, I was afraid at first. I realized how deeply anchored the stigma was. Then I learnt that another patient who has also psychosis was bullied by her roommate and she was feeling that she had to hide her illness from others. It pains me to think that they don't feel safe, because of the societal stigma. Thank you for your channel, and your efforts to break the stigma.

[@tamarabradberry9299]

I read that article and was livid. Thanks for bringing this out.

[@imagismus]

I discovered your channel recently out of pure curiosity. I don't have schizophrenia, but BPD, so your channel came across my KZbin suggestions randomly. Keep doing the good job you're doing. We need to stop the idea that people with mental ilnesses are "nuts" or "dangerous", when most of the times, we are only dangerous to ourselves, this is why we fight so much. 🌸

[@windyb2213]

Great video, Lauren! You are opening the minds of many people! This needs to be what the news is reporting!!! (I sincerely hope your channel never gets demonetized)

[@ricardo68]

Lauren, your analytical and carefully thought out discourse and videos amaze me. Keep doing what you’re doing and thank you! 😊

[@alienreggaeradio]

Bravo! Really appreciate this video.

[@manicantsettleonausername6789]

Videos like this one are so incredibly important, thank you for sharing!

[@suzannealsop3394]

We all need to take care of our minds whether we have a diagnosed mental illness or not. As humans we have seen throughout history we are capable of some horrific things.

[@Curiousboutscience]

Thank you! Well done Lauren!

[@ange8549]

I love this channel, I simply enjoy every single video

[@barbaranavin3587]

Thank you Lauren. All valid points you’ve made. Thanks for dissecting these articles. People just want to be able to neatly slap a label onto these problems when they are in fact so much more complex. Bottom line is we need to do a better job of dealing with mental illness and institute sensible gun laws. Hope all is well with your family. 🥰

[@elliebrown3221]

Very well spoken, Lauren.

[@jenjencannon3224]

Amazing work Lauren!! Thank you

[@malibu64]

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[@xx-sof-xx]

bipolar here with some stuff going on that my psychiatrists aren't sure whether it's psychotic or dissociative, but yeah, just wanted to say thank you for this video and your channel. we need to stop the misinformation and hate that is led towards mentally ill and neurodivergent people. we aren't monsters

[@JaneDoe-ij4ls]

Lauren, you are the best❤️

[@toothpastehombre]

Surprisingly comprehensive and informative. The topic of gun violence is unfortunately politicized and carries massive biases and stigmas that often prevent objective analysis and resolution implementation. Your perspectives of mental health is very important. Much of the public mindset places blame and social responsibility on the shoulders of mental health, while blatantly ignoring other factors such as access to firearms and societal disenfranchisement. The subject is nuanced, but people's minds are not. This video helps open the mind and is greatly appreciated

[@emilymontgomery3]

I do not have this disorder. I have DID, ocd, adhd and severe severe anxiety. I HATE the stigma on mental health. Like we’re all the sudden awful because we had something genetic or trauma. It’s awful that people just jump to conclusion that we’re awful people. People think I’m dangerous bc of my DID. Like I’m some murderer. You’re a wonderful person to bring this to light.

[@robertwerner5236]

Thank you for the video.

[@spenceroxford5193]

Preponderantly influential and needed topic, covered very well. P.S. I really like your hair Lauren.

[@BeautyByJuliette14]

This is so sad. i am autistic and people think the same about us! I'm so sorry!!! :/

[@queuing_jupiter535]

Same and it makes me sad

[@flyingfalcon8999]

Same here. The willful ignorence is amazing.

[@sleepyhead8681]

Same here. :(

[@macurban7946]

It’s true. And if you’re single, at 45 like me, they will involuntarily you constantly, because you are “danger.”

[@sleepyhead8681]

@@macurban7946 That makes me sick. Involuntary hospitals rarely even provide help and tramatise most patients.

[@mrblaxto]

So, so good. A thousand thank yous.

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[@josegabrielsantosdealba6247]

This is an important issue. Gracias!

[@jiriwiesner]

Thank you for your interesting thoughts, Lauren. I completely agree with your message. People struggling with mental illness need support. They do not need more stigma and alienation. They have experienced enough of that already. Be those experiences actual or imagined, that does not matter. One more argument: I am Czech and live in Czechia. I do not recall any mass shootings in Czechia in the past 30 years. I am 40 years old. I think we can expect that Czechs get ill with schizophrenia too. In other words, mass shooting are a cultural phenomenon.

[@emilialurig]

Such a great video!

[@theartofMaggie]

Wonderful coverage

[@theesotericcunt5029]

I think it's possible to 'meet you halfway' here. The study (and other studies like it) suggest that people with psychiatric diagnoses (or undiagnosed illnesses) commit these crimes while unmedicated/untreated. If you're acutely psychotic you can be dangerous depending on what your delusions/hallucinations are. But that doesn't make mentally ill people monsters; it means they need adequate treatment when they're going through an episode. If they get the treatment they deserve, they're no more dangerous than people without a diagnosis.

[@oliverxhmll]

There is a video of Nicolas cruz pretending he is hearing 'demon voices'. Even the detective didn't believe him.

[@deek3183]

"Does the demon know a lawyer?" 🤣

[@deek3183]

@Inverting the Pyramid with Joe Kopsick I'm pretty sure some of the questions the detective asked were prepped by the psychologists and were designed to elicit whether or not his actions were the result of psychosis.

[@jackwilson5542]

@Inverting the Pyramid with Joe Kopsick That is complete bullshit, pretending to be crazy is how many suspects of serious crimes try to get off easier. It was clear as day in his case.

[@veronikae6415]

Great video on a complex topic!

[@rick3747]

As an Autistic with Bipolar I, and PTSD, uncontrolled stress--lack of controlling emotions is to me, a huge key on what may set off mass shooters and random violence in general. Those with no control are just ticking timebombs and any near by weapon will do for them to exact their anger at that moment onto anyone near by. I do not have a gun or shoot anymore as the smell and sound of a gun just is too much stimulation for me. Proper diet....a big key to gut health/mental health, stress reduction techniques, Learning emotional control (beyond silly DBT stuff) weekly/monthly mental health therapy, physican visits and proper exercise 3-4 times per week are critical to being even near mentally stable for even a short period of time.

[@Emma-nv7nz]

“Silly DBT” 🙄🙄🙄

[@WWS322]

I'm glad you are continuing to put out content. I have on going psychosis and live in the world, practically all on my own. I have been violent before and assaulted women on two occasions. Though they were not hurt physically the psychological damage could have been severe, I don't know. I do not believe in guns, I think our second amendment should be abolished. Please no comments. It was originally in our constitution as protection from the British. On another note, there is a website for people with schizophrenia and schizo affective disorder called schizophrenia.com where you can anonymously get help and support from peers. It is not a chat room, you post messages on it and other people with schizophrenia reply. I find it very valuable. And there are other less known channels by people with schizophrenia I am subscribed to.

[@peternolan814]

Hello Lauren Your video is a masterpiece. The most highly respected people in university who are doctors and professors would be proud to make a video like this. I was hospitalised three times from May 1987 to November 2007 with delusions and I, for one, am listening to you and so too will many others listen to you. I want you to feel that. I can see and feel how much pain you are feeling presenting this video pleading with the average person not to believe this so called study. This so called study could easily be classified as a hate crime these folks targeting a minority in exactly the same way all other minorities are targeted, like gay people, Jews, black people in America and the many other examples there are of minorities including a minority of one who is someone bullied online or anywhere. It's a very simple thing then to rouse a rabble who are people that are prone to being aroused who attack others anybody who is vulnerable who morph into a gang of bullies led by the bully. Anthony's famous speech in Shakespeare's play Julius Caesar is an example of that. The speech begins with "Friends, Romans, countrymen lend me your ears" and is there in a KZbin video. All the best and many thanks, Peter Nolan. Ph.D.(physics). Dublin. Ireland. I'm almost 68.

[@aaymathebest4705]

Hi Rob,I was thinking from last week,that you always give comments in these videos...I was thinking,Are you ok,or ,maybe something happened?..I saw your message today and became happy, you came and commented and also you told about your presence...We are from England....I always watch these videos and read comments....

[@peternolan814]

@@aaymathebest4705 Hello Aayma The Best, I will be 68 this coming July and I have never felt as well as I do today feeling even better today this morning than I did, believe it or not, only yesterday. In addition to having serious mental illness rooted in a primal fear of people I have also had what I can say with confidence is an extreme case of irritable bowel syndrome IBS. You can't imagine how bad I have felt since November 1971 over 49 years ago because I have had this condition. Having this extreme case of IBS conspired to wreck me. When I comment on Lauren's videos I am always trying to offer her and Rob support. Lauren has suffered so intensely and I feel for her. It's just the most wonderful event that she is now a mother and deeply loved by Rob. Lauren is trying so much to help others with mental illness and she is being very successful doing that and I hope that she will receive back the love she is giving to us. I am certain that this is happening. I know your daughter has mental illness and it's wonderful that you are here on KZbin trying to learn more to help your daughter. I feel for her too because your daughter is so young. My advice to you is to try to get an exact diagnosis of what form of mental illness that your daughter has. This is critical. Indeed progress cannot be made without a correct diagnosis. In my case I only had a correct diagnosis that I actually had IBS in January 2018 Tuesday 28 if I'm not mistaken in my local pharmacy/drugstore and I suffered for decades not knowing why I felt so bad in my stomach and the knotted with tension muscles around my stomach that warped my stomach. In my case also I had no understanding of what the anger I felt towards my mother was doing to me and I had no understanding why I was absolutely terrified of people. I now know I am terrified of people just like I am of almost all of my neighbours because I have such a hot temper such that when provoked I might commit a crime and end up in jail. This hasn't happened but the police have called to my house twice when my neighbours contacted them October 2007 and November 2014. Absolutely terrible things could have happened to me when the cops called here to my house but thank heaven I didn't react and give them the opportunity to arrest me and take me into a cell in the local police station. My neighbours are especially nasty people who are thought of by and large as being the most respectable decent nice quiet people when absolutely nothing could be further from the truth. Anyway I've made it through the rain that Barry Manilow sings about and I have never felt as well as I do today when I can expect to feel even better with each passing day. I will have to take a drug for the rest of my life however a great drug called Dolmatil(sulpiride) and I recommend this drug to everyone who has had psychosis including Lauren herself. I had stress induced psychosis so my case is different for example to Lauren's case. I cannot overemphasise how critical it is that you get the correct diagnosis for your daughter. Progress and healing cannot take place till you achieve that. I cannot diagnose the nature of your daughter's mental illness. All the best and many thanks, Peter. Dublin. Ireland.

[@peternolan814]

@@aaymathebest4705 Hello Aayma The Best, Healing came into my life one night in February 2011 around eight pm when I was getting dressed for bed. I've been healing every day since and now in the much happier place that I'm in today getting so much relief from irritable bowel syndrome IBS that caused me so much discomfort and blocked me from thinking the simplest thoughts that help make the average life bearable. For example it's just wonderful having things to look forward to and having interesting and stimulating things in life even looking forward to eating food or having a cup of tea or coffee the ordinary things that we do every day and that people on average take for granted. I know of course that when I say healing came into my life and that I began to recover from IBS it doesn't mean much or anything at all to people. I know how people feel when I feel the very same way when I hear about miracles happening to others. I'm skeptical and people are very sceptical too about healing and miracles. The reason why I say this to you is because I really have nothing else to say except that I was egregiously sick having IBS and now I'm feeling so much better but not even today ten years later fully recovered from this in my case truly devastating condition. In my case however always think about that in any event by whatever means I'm healing from IBS and at last able to enjoy life a little bit more like my daily walk including being on the Internet, like I am right now, and watching TV and enjoying 12 hours sleep every night. Some people get lucky and win the lotto and in that same way healing came into my life in a way that rarely happens to others. All the best and many thanks, Peter.

[@peternolan814]

@@aaymathebest4705 Hello Aayma The Best, I don't know if you've been reading my replies to you and that's not a problem if you're haven't but I was saying how healing came into my life in February 2011 and had that not happened I would not have survived and I would either be dead today or close to death. No way would I make it to seventy. I may still not live to seventy anyway who knows nobody does. I have nothing else to say really of any consequence to people except that healing came into my life after a whole lifetime of suffering but people on average feel hope anyway that everything will work out for them in life when it's a fact that we all die sooner or later. We're just made this way to be born and die. You might not know the song Born To Die by Lana Del Ray and you can hear it on KZbin. In any event I'm not made to write books in that self help category. I'm a scientist and engineer to my very center even if I have been blown off course. It's up to others like Eckhart Tolle to write these books. It's up to me and all my people to advance our understanding in science and engineering. I would love to write a book now and appear on TV and radio but I'm nearly 68 and not 48. Life expectancy here in Ireland for a male is 78 and so I have on average only ten years of life left that's no time at all. My next door neighbour caused me to develop psychosis in April of 1987. He died in his nineties recently. My case is different to others. I had stress induced psychosis but now I really do have schizophrenia because I have to take an anti-psychotic drug Dolmatil(sulpiride) and if I stop taking this great drug, that I highly recommend to everyone, I will have another psychotic episode for certain. I post comments to offer Lauren a little support. Lauren has supreme intellectual giftedness and this video, that she has just made, proves that. You might think I do not have to or shouldn't comment to Lauren's videos because she gets such fantastic feedback anyway. My comments do not draw much attention anyway. I will always click on the "like" button and maybe you might tell me that that's enough and that I do not need to comment every time. In your case as I was saying it's absolutely essential that you get the correct diagnosis for your daughter. This could be an extremely difficult challenge but till you get the correct diagnosis to find exactly what type of mental illness your daughter has you will not be able to help her. As I was saying I'm nearly 68 and because of the healing happening to me I am now, at this old age, only able to make a bit more sense out of my own case. I'm thinking about something more and more lately about my nature and it's that peoples' anger and hate and aggression gets through into me inside me more than that happens on average and this could be a key thing in my life. I might be considered as an empath but I dispute what people say an empath is when no one absolutely no one can feel someone else's actual feelings as they feel them. However an angry aggressive hateful person can cause me to feel the deepest upset when it seems I cannot block people in the way people can block others from their Twitter account just for example. Absolutely everything gets right through into me inside me and I do not seem to be able to block what is actually in others the anger the aggression the hate. I hope and pray that you will be able to help your daughter but she may never in her whole life get the help and treatment that she really needs. Healing will most certainly never come into her life in the way that that happened to me. All the best, Peter. Dublin.

[@whitneypanda]

Although it does perpetuate a narrative as you mentioned I do hope that something like this study would help to increase the availability of mental health services, particularly in the US where it seems incredibly expensive for any health care services.

[@sarahgarrison9006]

I was in the hospital and homeless, I was diagnosed in my 30s

[@otispage5746]

Excellent job

[@jarrad2000]

Many studies are simply published because scientists are often rated by quantity of studies that have their name on them. I worked in a research center for a while and was disillusioned. Most of the researchers weren't idealistically trying to improve the world or genuinely discover something of worth for society, they tried to collect research funds and get their name on as many papers as possible so in the future their might be able to become a professor.

[@alyssamsipe9123]

What was the point of them even publishing it if they warned against taking the findings too seriously???

[@madeleinep7103]

This is my question as well.

[@astralscupid]

Just wanted to let you know there is a community of 27k of us over at r/psychosis if you ever feel you need a community to talk in outside of this one x

[@FUDGEWILLI]

Thank you!!!!!

[@xil3ntd3ath]

I remember awhile back before I left high school someone saw me take my meds in the office and he said you're gonna shoot this school up aren't you then preceded to call me psycho and told me to die then the next day I left high school for good that was it for me

[@layotheleprechaun]

Often people ask me if psychopaths have psychosis

[@camit9670]

@Layo The Leprechaun There is the false belief that people who are psychopaths must be having a break from reality to commit a Mass murder. This untrue and there is no empirical data to back this up. There are new studies that demonstrating one of the major warning signs an individual may commit a mass murder is a history of domestic violence. We should be looking at how to address those issues including addressing gun violence.

[@ash20453]

How did the ketogenic diet go for you? If it made you feel somewhat better in general or not. I'm not sure if that's what you were doing but I remember you mentioning something along the lines of that some time ago

[@anthonygato407]

my Grandma was diagnosed schizophrenic. its something I frequently contemplate how the majority of the things she would say that were used as the reason fornher diagnosis have recently been validated as being the reality.

[@tristan8141]

The study was probably published in the media because the study was by Stanford. Good video Lauren and Rob

[@stoneyvowell1239]

So you are saying that the media presents a false narrative.

[@stoneyvowell1239]

@skepticskaterr Not at all about the media, what surprises me the most is that people can't see how obvious it is. A lot more people want to intentionally deny reality, and they call us the mentally ill for knowing about our break from reality that causes us to understand reality better.

[@stoneyvowell1239]

@skepticskaterr I would mostly agree, but the reality is most people don't want to understand. If they understood they wouldn't be justified. It's so much easier to blame everybody else than to look into yourself.

[@stoneyvowell1239]

@skepticskaterr I'm glad you found a very small section of people who actually have a reason to care. Most people think they care by virtue signaling and spreading a superficial understanding of mental illness without understanding even their own mental illness or that they could even have one (even though you cannot have just one mental illness). Just like the media, as long as they have somebody to blame they really don't care, until they have a reason to.

[@baneverything5580]

I moved to a new location and the neighbors are afraid of me and think I`m evil because they found out I have schizoaffective disorder. The neighbor`s dog was in my yard and he came over to get it and I said Hi and he wouldn`t even speak to me.

[@roxdonado240]

Sweetheart, people are always afraid when they are ignorant on issues. Give them time, I am sure they will do some research on this mental illness which is like other illnesss, but those are more known subjects like diabitics, cancer etc. I am praying for you. You sound like a warrior. 🤗 Tight cyber hugs🤗

[@TheJr478]

That's awful, man. Some people just suck.

[@baneverything5580]

@@roxdonado240 I created a channel to try to help people with prepping for power outages. I just bought a new guitar, speakers, a mixer, and a new microphone and will be uploading a video of my new guitar and sound system as a test later after I get a few beers in me. Check it out.

[@baneverything5580]

@@TheJr478 I`m afraid they might hurt ME or burn my house. Seriously! I`m staying with my sister until I get moved onto a lot she`s letting me put a travel trailer on down the hill. A neighbor asked her, "Aren`t you AFRAID of him living with you!" She replied, "HE`S MY BROTHER!" I`ve never done anything but help people. I`m a musician and sing about a thousand songs. I`ve given as much money away as I`ve ever spent. But I had to move here to get help when my symptoms got worse and I attempted suicide. But my sister helped me get to doctor visits and I finally got disability after two hospital stays and a few trips to the emergency room because of suicide attempts. I suffer every day from this and am doing everything I can just to survive it and I`m scared to death.

[@roxdonado240]

Load them here if possible... If not, please do send full details on how to watch you play. P.S. still look out for the beer intake and stay safe. 😊

[@ChaosMagic]

I'm so depressed and got schizoaffective disorder how can u get over it

[@Josh-hy3em]

Thanks for covering this. The stigma being a young white male with this illness is terrifying. I avoid the topic with a 30 foot pole.

[@yeti892]

Mainstream mostly writes the bad stories, ignoring the vast majority of non problematic schizophrenics. Feel better about that. 👍

[@macurban7946]

Oh, I’m 45. It much worse for me now. I wish I was your age again. If you’re single, at my age, forget it. I’m finished.

[@yeti892]

@@macurban7946 your not actually, there are plenty of people needing a middle aged person, 45 is not old. Stop buying into that mentality of I'm old I don't stand a chance, kids think your old. But, an 80 year old would say your young.

[@jonagreen7323]

@@macurban7946 my dad is 60 and just married, there is always hope brother ✊

[@michaelcloutier7463]

Boo

[@garryentropy]

great lighting

[@stormfire1995]

I absolutely love that you stand up for this the stigma around all menal illness is absolutely a problem.

[@lattemacchiato3223]

Very informative video❤

[@sageisnotaplant99]

Schizophrenia can contribute to mass shootings but schizophrenia does not makes you a mass shooter

[@James-uw2xh]

It’s insane on top of dealing with the terrible symptoms people with sz also have the worst stigma

[@velocitygirl8551]

Is your jump suit thingy from Anthropologie? If so I have the same one lol

[@TikkunOlamEighteen]

While most people with mental illness are not violent, there is a correlation between mental illness and violence. Multiple teeenaged school shooters have had untreated mental health conditions. Most people with a mental illness will never resort to physical violence. But there is no denying the fact that mental illness impacts human behavior. If left untreated, emotional or physical abuse can occur more frequently than in a healthy population. People with mental illness are more apt to suffer with addiction, self-harm, and suicide - all acts of violence. Mental illness should not be stigmatized but most people who commit mass shootings are not mentally well. Healthy people don't shoot dozens of people. I love your channel and find you inspiring but the truth is the truth. Most mentally unwell people will never hurt a fly and most mass shootings are committed by the few who will. You are an advocate and have your own bias and that is very different than being a medical professional, forensic psychiatrist or researcher. Many studies have small patients cohorts. That doesn't automatically diminish findings. You want this study to be false. I just don't believe it is.

[@Catlily5]

@@nataliajedrusik6265 In the USA you cannot be locked up in a mental hospital for only hearing voices (unless it was more than 40 years ago). Now you have to be a danger to yourself or others to be locked up.

[@TikkunOlamEighteen]

@@nataliajedrusik6265 I don't think a healthy person commits mass murder. If someone is evil, they are either spiritually unwell or have a problem with their frontal lobe or sociopathy.

[@JohnSmith-ys4nl]

@@nataliajedrusik6265 You don't get "locked up" in an asylum for being schizophrenic anymore. We aren't living in the 1950's. Today the mental hospitals (at least in America) are reserved for criminals who also have mental disorders. Most of these people were ordered there by judges. The old (non-criminal) mental hospitals were shut down in the 1970's. Back then if you were schizophrenic, you lived in an asylum by default, usually against your will. It's not that way today.

[@Catlily5]

@@nataliajedrusik6265 The hospital decides if you are dangerous based on reports from the patient, family member, police, mental health professionals etc...

[@Catlily5]

@@nataliajedrusik6265 If you tell a mental health professional you are hearing voices you probably would get diagnosed with a mental illness. Not necessarily schizophrenia because there a few different illnesses that could lead you to hear voices.

[@psychedlicsouljam1995]

💟💟💟 love from Ontario Canada

[@zidapplip]

Publishing a study with limitations is not always a problem. It opens up the way for further research, so it can be valuable. Obviously, there are also some natural and ethical limitations. It's probably not feasible nor ethical to have a controlled study group to see if anyone's going to commit mass murder. Especially since they are in the study, it would become an ethical responsibility to stop the person if and when there is a sign that they are going to commit any crime. And I think they had the best intentions to include that the study should not be relied on. Unfortunately, the media doesn't always do the responsible thing.

[@animal_cookie]

It’s a really hard line to walk between science, science communication, and mainstream journalism. I’m a physical scientist, so I’m not perfectly familiar with social science research, but a lot of the time, scientists will do a study and then present the findings and their interpretations, and it’s almost expected for the authors to acknowledge limitations of their work. Scientists look at trends and correlation and then several, hundreds, or thousands of follow up studies are done to paint a fuller picture, each study a little imperfect but adding a piece of the puzzle. However the media will often over-interpret trends/correlation as causation (correlation =/= causation!). I’ve even had journalists tell me point blank that their job is to write a compelling story, not do a book report on the research study. Now, I’ve not read the publication and I wouldn’t be qualified to assess it even if I did, so I’m not defending their work, but I do know this happens a lot with studies in psychology, medicine, climate change, clean energy, etc. Bad science absolutely gets published which is why a single study never suffices to answer a big topic question like this

[@animal_cookie]

Also I just want to clarified that my thoughts here are about my own frustrations with science communication and mainstream media, and not at all a suggestion that anything in this video was wrong or misplaced. Constant questioning and discussion of scientific methods is such an important part of the scientific process, especially when it comes to ethics! I hope the PI does respond as it will be very telling about their motivations

[@retzy911]

Lawyers like to use mental illness to try to defend their own clients in an attempt to win their case. My husband and I recently were watching a movie based on a true story where a person committed a shooting at a camp and the lawyers told him to say he was mentally ill, at first he did but he ended up saying that he wasn’t. We looked it up and it came up to be true this person just wanted revenge on some politicians and targeted their kids at a camp. I believe a lot of cases are like this. All they care about is winning a case for their books, therefore they use mental illness as a scapegoat. Which is just wrong.

[@tylergannon7398]

The thing is with schizophrenia it’s really hard for it to go undiagnosed. It’s extremely difficult to live with you’re not likely to reach 40 years old with it and no one ever have a clue.

[@Slidehhy]

Why aren't you likely to reach 40

[@biggmc665]

Hi laren can you do a vid if covid affects schizophrenia or other mental health or make it worse please I'm really interested coz I'm abit worried lol thankyou

[@emale03]

Such a gorgeous, intelligent spokeswoman- KUDOS!

[@mohanbahia7362]

Love your videos from United kingdom

[@benjaminsolomon3807]

Thank you for the video Lauren,most mass shooting got to do with politics,specially in the USA. I have been living with schizophrenia for 9 years,to be honest I don't tell everyone that I have schizophrenia,I tell people that I got depression because people think we schizos are violent and dangerous people,the only way people can be educated about mental health is through movies and series. I live in South Africa am a straight guy but what am impress the government as allowed movies with homosexual characters and now most people in the country starting to accept them. We schizophrenic need the media to change people's conceptions about us,before in South Africa people were looking at gay people as demons but now after the media as portray them as normal humans people no longer see them as demons I repeat am not gay just making the example

[@maurias1040]

All of these differences making humanity separated from the truth.

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

I'm really frustrated that people bringing up schizophrenia in regards to mass shooters. As I understand it, most people with schizophrenia aren't violent and when they are, they more a danger to themselves than others. It's also frustrating because I do believe that mental health issues lie at the heart of public shootings, just much more common issues. We have a real problem in this country with the way we think about mental health. People act as though you are either mentally healthy, or you have a life changing disorder. This is like thinking the only people who are physically sick are the ones covered in sores and boils or presenting with a freshly severed limb. I would go so far as to say that the majority of Americans are walking around in a state of mental impairment that we should not even consider calling healthy. I think we accept levels of stress and trauma in our daily lives that our minds were never designed to take. I think we accept social structures that deprive us of the basic necessities of social health. I think it's no surprise that there are people operating at a level of emotional impairment so high, that they can see their way to committing mass shootings. I don't think these people have anything in common with the average psych patient. First of all, the average psych patient is actually getting help. I sincerely believe that if we can normalize preventative mental health services, we can go a long way to reducing violent crime of all types, including mass shootings.

[@Sarablueunicorn]

Anyone can commit a violent crime, psychotic or not.

[@horisontial]

I am 100% with you, but it might just be a pilot study, although I agree the methodology is flawed to say the least. The problem is that media reports on whichever published study like they were all conducted to the same standard.

[@sandywhat2429]

We must make sure the researchers aren't the perpetrators? There is no legal resposibility to disclose the medications involved in these mass murders, when perp was put on meds, when meds were raised. This I believe, plays a huge part.

[@flossyarchibeque7394]

I find it unnerving so much of the news and information out there is biased and presented as facts leading others to make dangerous assumptions yet the truth is banned if it threatens any part of the system that is profiting from vilianizing certain populations and groups.

[@colinlmacleod3385]

I read about this before. There was a study done somewhere by someone. Sorry for the poor bibliography lol. but they said that 1% of schizophrenics are violent, and 1% of the regular population is violent. So with that equality, it seems hard to think we as schizophrenics are any more dangerous than anyone else. In my humble opinion, we are more dangerous to ourselves than to anyone else.

[@TTTT-oc4eb]

Although not always diagnosed, almost all mass murderes and serial killers have a "perfect storm" of mental illnesses - very often a combination of at least one personality disorder (especially B-cluster PD like Narcissistic, Anti-social, Borderline & Histrionic) and development disorder (especially Asperger & ADHD), but also in addition often Bipolar and/or Schizophrenia. One of these disorders alone is not enough to make someone a killer. But each additional disorder makes the mental state of the person much, much worse. You will NEVER find a mass murderer or serial killer who isn't extremely mentally ill. Extreme childhood abuse + head trauma/brain damage + B-cluster PD + autism/ADHD + Bipolar/schizophrenia = killer combo.

[@Catlily5]

What proof do you have?

[@TTTT-oc4eb]

@@Catlily5 www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/05/21/study-finds-significant-portion-of-mass-murderers-and-serial-killers-had-neurological-disorders-including-autism/ www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1359178914000305 www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2634865/Recipe-serial-killer-revealed-Childhood-abuse-autism-head-injuries-common-murderers-study-claims.html www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00223980.2016.1175998 www.intechopen.com/books/autism-spectrum-disorder-recent-advances/autism-and-school-shootings-overlap-of-autism-asperger-s-syndrome-and-general-psychopathy

[@TTTT-oc4eb]

@@Catlily5 It is VERY important to state that being autistic, bipolar or schizophrenic is ABSOLUTELY NO HINDRANCE for being a genuinly good human being. BUT if you add a B-cluster personality disorder on top, everything changes - especially if they are on the malignant scale. Malignant narcissistic personality disorder is an extremely serious condition - it is as close to pure evil as possible - it is combination of NPD, ASPD, sadism and paranoia. In short: An extreme sociopath. And if you add autism and/or bipolar and/or schizophrenia in the mix you have an explosive combination. You have several disorders that feeds off each other and makes everything a billion times worse - with the malignant NPD as the central disorder. You have extreme aggression, rage, hatred, sadism, singlemindness, black-and-white thinking, obsessions, delusions and psychosis - all in one, single individual! Modern psychiatry is basically clueless about how to handle or diagnose such extreme individuals. When Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik was evaluated by basically all the best psychiatrists in the country in 2012, the diagnoses were all over the place, and nobody could basically agree on anything. Childhood abuse, malignant narcissistic personality disorder, aspergers, tourettes, schizophrenia were all mentioned - in fact it is possibe that he suffered from all of them! Both his mother (BPD) and grandma were mentally ill and very abusive and his father was absent. Psychiatry is an enigma and more or less qualified guesswork by people, who for the most part, are not mentally ill themselves. Very few psychiatrists will ever have to deal with extremely mentally ill people like Adam Lanza, Anders Breivik, Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer. Personally I think the spiritual side of mental illness is overlooked and underestimated - these people are possessed - there is simply no better explanation for it.

[@macurban7946]

It ain’t easy being sleazy.

[@Catlily5]

@@TTTT-oc4eb I read all but the top study that you sent me. I think they aren't too sure about what is going on, but it is something to look into more. They really need to learn more about the brain to be more precise about labels.

[@MvGirl29]

I'm not American nor do I usually comment, but I'm just tossing this here in the hopes that it will encourage the algorithm draw more views to this video. This critique is very thorough and well-articulated, and I really hope that it gains some attention, because these types of studies are incredibly harmful. Also, from a non-Western/American perspective: to me, it seems a little ridiculous to draw a correlation between mental illness and mass shootings, when mass shootings are not that common around the world, but mental illness is something that exists in EVERY country.

[@cherivansant6811]

As the parent of someone with schizoaffective disorder that has been diagnosed for 23 years, I would like to know how you are so obviously functional.

[@patrickanarchy-official5662]

Schizophrenia & Schizoaffective disorder occur on a vast spectrum of symptoms & functioning levels. I also have been diagnosed with both of these. Many people don't think I have it either. But, It's a common misconception.

[@jonagreen7323]

It is called medication, also it varies a lot, this is pretty basic stuff that you should easily know if your own kid has had bipolar to schizophrenia. 23 years and you didn't know there is functioning people with schizophrenia? Wtf

[@jonagreen7323]

How the fk have you had a kid with a mental illness yet you have done no research on it, get your shit in order.

[@cherivansant6811]

@@jonagreen7323 I am very involved with the care of my son and my question was genuine. He has zero awareness that he is ill so even with medication that keeps him out of psychosis, he would never stay on medication if he were not court ordered and if we were not his guardians. All of you obviously are cognizant of your illnesses and are able to participate in treatment

[@jonagreen7323]

@@cherivansant6811 does he still hear the voices and see the hallucinations even when on medication? That means the medication isn't working. If he has been on the same medication for 23 years...it stopped working a long time ago imo, they always stop working once the body grows an immunity.

[@sararao8429]

I would never hurt anyone except myself

[@anabarnes4654]

Very interesting. I read about other studies where it said that most of the mass shooters were on some kind of psychiatric drug and there might be a direct relation. I can say from my own experience, that when I was first diagnosed with depression , and prescribed antidepressants I went manic and DID NOT know what I was doing! I almost died unintentionally and to the best of my knowledge could've done anything without knowing, because of the drugs.

[@ikoukas]

Also they do not count the incentive for the perpetrators that survived to blame the assault on mental illness to have better court outcomes

[@SreejaCv]

Hi Lauren. Can you talk about what happened in Brazil. Where a black man was brutally killed for being a schizophrenia sick? Thank you🙏

[@Endgame7]

47 years old, ended up homeless last year. I am intelligent and well spoken so no, I have not been associated with psychosis. How do you convince someone of this when you are intelligent and communicate well?

[@WDBsirLocksight]

Its not easy and eventually you may be called attention seeking or facticious. I am in the similar boat with ASD and psychosis, none of the other believes in these diagnoses and there from multiple providers. Speaking well may not mean intelligence, though it does in the providers eye. Your conundrum is something I've been challenged with since I was kid - challenged due to disorders and challenged due to public perceptions/assumptions by outward appearance. Yet outward appearance adds to "realness" of the experience plus the assumption externalization is associated with severity.

[@f4ptr989]

People want a scapegoat so they can point to that instead of doing their jobs and exploring what the actual problems are.

[@hackthis1767]

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[@whatrtheodds]

I think common sense would tell you that a mass shooter wouldn't be mentally well when such a horrific incident occurs. Healthy people don't shoot up groups of people. This isn't stigmatization. It's not about isolation it's infact showing how important it is to care for people who are struggling and that they require support.

[@JuliaZuzannaSokolowska]

YES Maam!!! MORE treatment opportunities for mentally ill and LESS uncontrolled access to guns. Amen.

[@andreisdarkside9991]

No!!

[@martinkesson4443]

It's all down to personality. Only you know if you would kill someone.

[@sharnistevens1428]

Its not exactly that. I have worked with plenty who are psychotic. While some have a personality type that indicates they have no problem assaulting others for secondary gain, in psychosis it seems to be driven from fear. Some people feel they must kill someone else before that person kills their family - or they may think by killing someone, they are destroying the devil and saving the world. The delusions are unique to the individual. But any time I have known for an attack to occur by someone experiencing psychosis, they were clearly distressed and even fearful at the time. They don't have the ability to plan a mass shooting when they're in this state. The ones who do mass shootings are generally able to carefully plan. Those who kill multiple people as a terrorist act - its a whole different story for those people. They generally have beliefs of martyrdom, hard to say if they are delusional or factual.

[@classical421]

Yesss 👏🏽👏🏽

[@toribielewitz6082]

How do you feel about police pulling people over in unmarked vehicles?

[@crazyeyes666]

the last study I looked up it actually said the opposite, cause i was actually curious, I know a schizophrenic is not any more liiely to commit a crime than your average person but when it came down to a mass shooting the first word that comes to anybody's mouth sane or insane is Crazy, so i was just curious

[@kaybailey-jones3740]

I find it interesting that the report states undiagnosed and I medicated, rather than undiagnosed and not receiving help. Say......is their bias somewhat drug based and their need to push this?

[@justinsepter1]

Who the fuck gives this a thumbs down? Thank you Lauren~

[@laurahire7208]

I hate that the mentally ill are blamed for violent crimes. More often than not the mentally ill are likely to be the victims of abuse and violence than the perpetrators of violence.

[@kurshay8291]

Maybe if we had better healthcare in the US.. 🤔

[@genieeudy8931]

I have chronic anxiety with some agoraphobia especially in group setting where I feel trapped. Trapped as in I would make a scene if I were to get up and walk out like a meeting at work. I have a thoughts of being afraid I would blurt out loud weird comments, which I’ve never done… really weird right? I also remember feeling like in high school people could hear my thoughts. I take 40 mg of celexa for anxiety but I haven’t been diagnosed of anything else. I have struggled with depression too. I haven’t been diagnosed with anything else but it makes me wonder about myself. On your topic I think there are evil people out there and they could happen to have schizophrenia or not. I don’t believe this causes someone to shoot. I think people want to put a diagnosis on bad behavior instead because it’s so hard to understand why someone would want to. My opinion is isolation from society and violent video games. It could be a combination of things like abuse and circumstance. I just don’t believe we go crazy and want to shoot people. People with mental illness have good hearts just like people with mental illness may be just a bad person but not because of mental illness.

[@delia5588]

Hi Genie. The intrusive thoughts regarding people hearing your thoughts, sounds like it could potentially be obsessive impulsive disorder. Do you have other sorts of intrusive thoughts? If it takes up a fair amount of time in a day and induces anxiety, you may want to look into some helpful tools for this condition.