Do no harm: Some hospitals let a preventable infection kill their patients

[@applescotchpie3003]

A dissatisfied experience? Are you joking? It's not customer dissatisfaction, it's a dead kid!

[@nhlvideos8411]

Ikr what a disgusting institution morally and literally, they seemed like they didnt care about the fact that a child died

[@thegaminggirls2154]

I know right I think they should treat the death of the children in their care as the death of their very own child sure it will never be like losing your own kid but you should pretend like it is you should want to fix the problem as if it was what took away your child but these people treated that little girl as if she was some broken toy that they couldn’t fix they treated her like her death was simply sad but not tragic and that is absolutely disgusting to me and whoever the hell made that letter should be ashamed they even typed and sent that without even including the words this was a tragedy

[@EpicDoggiez]

Like seriously. Dissatisfied experience is something like getting a over cooked steak. Not when a child dies. It’s basically downplaying the horrible and sad death of a beautiful child. It’s disgusting...

[@launchpad7006]

@AppleScotch Pie i know,right?Like,that was a child.A CHILD!!!!And they let her die!And they should have at least try to do something about it.

[@tomsoki5738]

You have to remember that doctors see death on a daily basis and that they might save 1000 people and 1 will die it’s a fact of life you have to get over

[@blacksilver09]

It's awesome they name dropped the hospitals.

[@sbp4215]

BUT MUH DEFAMATION

[@tomsoki5738]

When your about to die you can’t really say, ‘no take me to the other hospital.’

[@raulsotelo2287]

Tom Burger I don’t think that’s the point of this video but to bring an issue to light and hopefully hospitals will be forced to change their policies to prevent these “preventable” issues.

[@celicobain8270]

He's talking about someone who lives near the infectious hospital.. like they have no choice to go there sort of and I'm sure lots have no idea of it's reputation and it's so damn sad

[@501ststormtrooper9]

Best hospital in America? A bunch of moms around you applying stuff with no experience.

[@jaclyn4098]

My mother was in a medically induced coma after a car crash, she has a condition that prevents her eyes from fully closing during sleep. So they left her eyes half open for two weeks before they finally taped them shut at our pestering (and wouldnt let us do it, weren't allowed to touch her at all) but it was too late and her corneas dried out and she had permanent damage to her vision (she was already legally blind without lenses) she needed eye drops for months and could hardly do anything for herself because she couldnt see. She eventually got lasik surgery and shes fine now but that hospital costed her thousands extra..

[@MrCamille9999]

Did you consider suing them?

[@jaclyn4098]

@@MrCamille9999 she wanted to but was already getting sued and in some legal trouble because of the crash so she decided to let it go, it was too much

[@lindam8791]

@@dootdoot94xo44 why would you ever say something like that. That's extremely inconsiderate!

[@woodstumpz3736]

Sphinx Money suing doesn’t have to just be because of one parties fault entirely. A lot of insurance companies will try to sue the party who’s driving so that they don’t have to pay for all of the damage costs. And so in that case karma doesn’t really pan out. And to be fair, she already was in a induced coma, on top of that having dried out corneas doesn’t really sound like karma, it’s sounds like torture.

[@traviswinklevoss5431]

Sphinx Money after saying that, karma will come straight back to you.

[@Elena-xz7wj]

“We apologize that you were dissatisfied with your experience.” 6:30 How disgusting it is that they couldn’t even write her a letter expressing any true remorse. Her daughter died under their care, this wasn’t some small mistake. I hope they change, or that someone down the line sues their asses.

[@gdaebb9179]

I would not be shocked if they did not even write that letter. It is a computer generated TEMPLATE response previously written before they probably opened the hospital. If we looked at everyone who gets that letter, I am sure there is no difference word by word.

[@abbad707]

exactly Human trash

[@childishknight8587]

It’s also sad that in the US medical and educational fields are businesses.

[@papaicebreakerii8180]

Musical_Me I mean I am sure that this can’t just be blamed on the US healthcare system. This is a problem with the hospital itself, it is easy to point the finger at the United States because the video was made in the US but it would definitely be easy to find an example in any country

[@nenidetic]

real apologies would be more like "I'm sorry I did this" than "I'm sorry you got upset" because it was YOUR fault, not the person you're apologizing to.

[@florallucy2053]

My cousin has been left with severe brain damage by a mistake the hospital made. She was having her appendix out and they gave her the painkiller in a tube that wasn't properly cleaned so she ended up having a double-dose. 5 years on and the hospital is still denying alot of there malpractice and it took a lawsuit to get them to admit they had done anything wrong. She's 20 now and has come along a lot since the accident but she will never talk again, she is partially blind and will need care for the rest of her life. Little, preventable mistakes shouldn't happen, period.

[@LuisRodriguez-vf1ks]

Floral Lucy I am so sorry, reading this hurt me since I had the same procedure. Hoping for the best

[@Ash-cb2li]

Floral Lucy that's so sad

[@camillemedina5323]

...so sorry

[@virgo1971]

My sister had her appendix removed when she 9, at SickKids. I had no idea there was a risk like that in the procedure and I'm glad they were meticulous about her care. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

[@bee4907]

Nameless The same thing happened to me with my oldest. 3 days afyer i got out of the hospital i had a fever of 108. I had a blood infection i got at thr hospital.

[@srisuresh1125]

My best friend died of an infection at Stanford hospital. His immune system was completely suppressed but they thought it was okay to have him share a room with another patient.

[@hairold5680]

Jesus

[@theplanetmercury3313]

wow

[@dez-m]

I am so sorry...

[@leigh7816]

gosh im so sorry 🥺💓

[@misuk3745]

Stanford should close down

[@graciegh0ul]

I have a life threatening milk allergy (though not anaphylactic, I suffer organ failures and extreme dehydration) when I was hospitalised with pyelonephritis they even have me a special red hospital bracelet to alert hospital staff. Depsite this, they gave me 5 doses of codeine that contained dairy. I was getting worse and worse and worse, I even told the nurses twice that I was having an allergic reaction but they didn't listen and labelled me as paranoid. A simple kick-start of antibiotics got more complicated as my heartbeat and temperature increased dramatically, and I couldn't even keep down water so they put me on IV fluids, anti-nauseacs and antibiotics. It took the doctors over a day to realise that the reason I was deteriorating was because they were killing me.

[@lori8885]

Aww🥺but thank God you're good now

[@graciegh0ul]

@@lori8885 Yeah absolutely, funny enough I'm actually back in hospital with a red band and a sign saying milk allergy on my door but this hospital is amazing and understand 100% :)

[@lori8885]

@@graciegh0ul 😂😂🙌🙌🙌🙌I'll pray for u

[@graciegh0ul]

@@lori8885 hahaha thanks dude 😂😊

[@via1096]

That’s so horrible. I can’t imagine your frustration

[@captainusopp6349]

This is so sad. I grew up with severe asthma and suffered multiple lung infections and pneumonia. I even had a collapsed lung at one point. The amount of times my mother took me to the emergency room just for them to send me home because “nothing was wrong, just a little asthma flare up” and the amount of times I had to come back the next day because I almost died in my sleep. Once, I was released from the hospital after staying several days there. I visited my pulmonologist and he took one listen to me and said “why did they release you? you need to be back in there” and he made arrangements to have me hospitalized AGAIN. Turns out, I had pneumothorax that they somehow missed. The amount of carelessness in hospitals is more prevalent than you think. It almost cost me my life as a child

[@andrewstuart669]

Bro same when I was little I didn't know I had asthma and my mom took me to the hospital and they gave me medicine and they told my mom if I didn't come I would had died scary

[@raccoonthrasher2920]

Nick Collins just...stop

[@cutienerdgirl]

@@501ststormtrooper9 Your mother is a germaphobe. Hospitals clean high-tech areas everyday and patient rooms when they're empty via a team dedicated to cleaning.

[@MattUnboxTV]

@@501ststormtrooper9 that applies to 3rd world countries' healthcare field

[@akhothegrade9664]

I get mild chest infections and I suffer from a tight chest It’s terrible I truly have sympathy and respect for your suffering a bravery

[@gtrottier8686]

This was sooo sad! I can't believe Nora caught FOUR central line infection at such a young age. At my hospital we've been 3 years without any central line infection. How come ONE patient gets it 4 times... I don't know all the details of this story, I wasn't there, but that definitely sounds like gross negligence here

[@autisticatianaralph6751]

if you were a real doctor, you would know it's central *LYME* yoᵤ lyᵢng ₛwᵢne

[@davidgutierrez8297]

You forget it's a kid. Children aren't the cleanest beings around.

[@dylanharding5720]

@@davidgutierrez8297 that's still not the fault of the kid...

[@davidgutierrez8297]

@@dylanharding5720 At the very least, it's a factor.

[@xavierlindsay4034]

@@davidgutierrez8297 They still are at fault and should have taken more measures to keep her safe.

[@89Geminian]

Nora was so beautiful, so sorry for your loss

[@nielshildebey]

Pedophiles ffs

[@TK-fy4nu]

@@nielshildebey what's wrong with you

[@ah.neat.408]

@@nielshildebey Dude she didn't even say anything close to perverted.

[@MikePlaysYeet]

Niels Smits ik people tryna hit on kids online. Just sad

[@MikePlaysYeet]

Idk what to write for my name r/whooosh

[@jinxieunlucky]

I can understand maybe one infection happening despite a hospital's best efforts, but any more than that shows complete negligence. That poor mother lost her child, and they tried to brush it off like it was a normal occurrence.

[@christianlibertarian5488]

Or the kid was immunocompromised.

[@Pallenh1]

not going to that hospital!

[@T1Oracle]

The first infection would have had me doing my own investigation.

[@danhatman3538]

After 4 Infections they would of known something was going down, but i guess they thought she was just slightly 'Dissatisfied" with her outcome

[@christianlibertarian5488]

Or maybe the child was immunodeficient, which was why she needed an IV.

[@Mal_O_Ware]

Dissatisfied? This ain't a restaurant rating. _Stanford Hospital_ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆ *DISSATISFIED* Daughter died :(

[@PriyoM1993]

This made me laugh

[@manuelschmidt00]

We won't be visiting again! 😡

[@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597]

It should be just a half of a star instead.

[@xboxcontroller4811]

0 stars for Death Hospital

[@erikeriks]

I screenshots only the absolute best comments I see, I think you earned your screenie Manw Cat

[@iLOVEpicklesBRO28]

You can really see her mum in her, such a sweet sweet girl, it's such a sad sad story. RIP Nora

[@poofsplix2003]

Ivan Kebab Remover sad but true. the more stories like this you see the less value they give you.

[@jed-henrywitkowski6470]

Her dad looks like a cousin of mine!

[@chewtoob6409]

Ya this one is so sad though.

[@nebulastaralex]

999 like one people, one more!!! Let's all respect Nora and give her a quiet moment of peace.

[@deeznutz32108]

BlusVersion2 ppl from other countries say it like that

[@amazonprime234]

"Dissatisfied" this ain't no mc deeze review

[@SomEbodyisDERP]

@Anonymous it's a fortnite youtuber, all his fans have the same profile picture. I used to have it too.

[@MikePlaysYeet]

Deeze nuts

[@lolakaone_3496]

Ha got eem

[@AliKhan-mg3mj]

tour profile pic is was my wall papaerlong ago its BUETIFUL I just wanna point that out for no absolute reason ;-;

[@mackenzie5677]

the way she handled this was so sweet, she’s still fighting for how her daughter dies two years after what a great mother 💕

[@zain4019]

kenzie barlow She’s wonderful. Bless her soul.

[@Lunk42]

I hope she sues the hospital. I think it'd be understandable that one or two line infections happen as they happened even at the good hospital but it's clear there's a major problem with the staff and sterilization when it's happening multiple times in a row leading to a child's death. They deserve to be sued if not for the money for the family and the justice then for teaching the staff a lesson that they can't just brush things like that under the rug by saying "sorry you were dissatisfied with your experience" it's absolutely unacceptable.

[@beadingbusily]

That took strength.

[@lilybrown5767]

You can't just have 4 infections happen on the same patient in such a short time span and just be like oH well!

[@rickrolld1367]

People in 2040 are gonna be like: Capitalism is when America

[@tybera1114]

No hospital is like "Oh Well" they just don't discuss it externally. This case has gone through several M&Ms guaranteed. People get their licenses pulled for stuff like this and have to deal with investigations.

[@sbiegalski6]

When I was 14, I had kidney issues and several kidney stones. I went to my urologist and he basically said it was all in my head (even though it was later revealed that kidney stones were visible on an ultrasound I had). Later on, I went to another doctor who figured out why I was having problems and helped me.

[@anabolism3636]

It's nice to have a 2nd opinion from other doctors.

[@brutalrattle]

*it’s all in yer head*

[@samuraijackoff5354]

I always say, “Do not do 1, try 2 then 3.”

[@gearshift48]

Sue the all in your hear boi

[@luminalcard8290]

This whole story is all in yer head boi

[@erikpoephoofd]

Nora's mother seems like a strong woman, I really feel sorry for her :(

[@konstantine381]

erikpoephoofd very sad

[@ErynRenee]

I worked at a children's hospital, and our Zero Hero protocols were very thorough and heavily monitored, even in my department where there weren't medical procedures being performed (I was in behavioral health.) We still had to follow protocols, and were trained every 6 months on things like glove removal, sanitizing surfaces and therapy materials that our patients and staff use, frequent hand washing/hand sanitizing, and quarantining staff who have been exposed to any contagious disease to protect their other clients, etc. We also had to check/clarify info in a specific way, and report EVERYTHING. These were very time-consuming and often tedious and redundant protocols, but we didn't complain because we knew how critical it was to follow them. Accountability was a huge part of the hospital's values. Our official motto was "Everything matters." Because it does.

[@bab027]

As an oncology nurse who deals with Central Lines everyday, it’s very easy to not let central lines get infected... I access them everyday to patients who are immunocompromised. But I also have to agree that a lot of nurses don’t treat central lines seriously. It’s very sad. :(

[@annak804]

I wish more nurses were like you

[@seanwhalen5738]

It has nothing to do with nurses and everything to do with your lack of funding healthcare in America. Those nurses are understaffed and overworked. That leads to death. Think about those nurses and that dead child next time you're voting.

[@conservativegrandpa1801]

@@seanwhalen5738 There is some level of incompetence of nurses from my experiences working there many years ago. Do not know if it is better today.

[@Bxu021]

I had a Port A Catheter and it was used for my chemo, do you know if it is a reasonable replacement for a central line or if they are for different purposes? I'm just curious.

[@orangew3988]

Bobby, do you think that Central line infections are an exceptional circumstance? Like, do you think the same outcomes could be obtained with treating pressure damage in a similar way? Or are central line infections special because you can, actually, control them. I work in a medical receiving unit, and whilst obviously we aim for best practice at all times, it's a busy high turnover unit. We are always always understaffed, I have legit never seen us fully staffed. And yknow, our patients are human. So when I think of what my version of preventing central line infections would be, I think of preventing new pressure damage, or preventing venous catheter line infections. But I can't think how we would actually physically be able to do this without more staff to be able to turn patients two hourly when they need it. Or nurses to take their time giving IV meds or fluids, to maintain aseptic technique every time a patient wants to take their jumper off. And this isn't even considering the vast majority of the time that patients actively make decisions against their best interest. Yknow, refusing turns or personal care. Or dipping their venflons in yoghurt, or whatever.

[@a.s4269]

Trying to watch this without crying was the hardest thing. Rest in peace you beautiful angel

[@MikePlaysYeet]

Angle*

[@a.s4269]

@@MikePlaysYeet no I'm pretty sure she's an angel

[@MikePlaysYeet]

@@a.s4269 shes an *ANGEL*

[@a.s4269]

@@MikePlaysYeet yes that is correct, as I said, she's an angel

[@MikePlaysYeet]

Alesha Senior angel?

[@AnthonytheLucario]

Who else got chills when he said " Nora died "

[@NMPTV]

me 😞

[@eyedropss4992]

Me R.I.P

[@crispypotato9380]

Tori Woof it was such a nice kid i felt bad for the mother

[@lacedlive7148]

I didn’t but I understand why you did

[@sin7970]

B****, I cried because the mom seemed so happy recalling those memories and when he said " Nora died.", I was so done with life.

[@elitheegg4119]

there's no explanation as to why she got so many central line infections other than that the hospital wasn't doing what they should've. i'm 16 currently and have had multiple central lines since the age of 4. i've only ever gotten an infection once, and it wasn't at the fault of the hospital staff. whatever happened with this little girls situation is tragic and needs to be fixed.

[@spetkkkkk]

eli the egg it could’ve also been the company producing the products the hospital used too. But hand hygiene is the number one cause of hospital acquired infections and many don’t follow it.

[@sbastianbrilyanto4722]

Well, nosocomial infections happen, but not that often. Every medical contract has inspanning verbintenis, which means the contract binds the doctor and staffs to do their best to treat the patient. So if something preventable like nosocomial infections that happens too often occurs, the hospital can be sued for breach of contract.

[@onlinemamamwom7936]

What about a hospital spreading an antibiotic resistant infection to a disturbingly high number of patients?? I’ve had multiple family members go to this hospital for a variety or issues, almost every time he staff there nearly kills someone, then every person I have known to go in that hospital leaves with an antibiotic resistant infection hat they say they can’t help with and that it’s just a risk of going to any hospital......but I have never heard of a single person picking this random infection up from any other hospital in any other city.....it seems to just be common at this one terrible hospital. They also nearly killed my uncle last week. Tried to unplug him when he was on a machine for his breathing for only a single day. My family had to plead with the idiotic nurses, then the next day he was fine and sitting walking and talking again. He would have been dead had my family not stopped the nurses. Unfortunately “do no harm” depends on what they consider to be harm, just like the video says, how a hospital views something completely changes what happens to their patients. I am unfortunately all too aware of how the ONLY hospital in my city is a cesspool for various infections and would rather risk my life going to any other hospital in any other city than risk my life going to the one just blocks away.

[@thunderino0521]

eli the egg I’ve had lines for 6 years and I haven’t had an infection once, or even an infection scare. I never even had a pain issue.

[@juntingiee2602]

Stanford sucks. Accuse them

[@sydney3170]

“We’re sorry you were dissatisfied with your experience” The experience was a child dying. That’s not just being dissatisfied with their experience. That letter is outrageous. “Dissatisfied” is an understatement.

[@cerenb7909]

they are plain heartless

[@artsyavede]

Dissatisfied? DISSATISFIED BOI THATS NOT EVEN GOING TO CUT IT!

[@pixielove25]

It's like saying "I'm sorry that you're not happy that your daughter died". Like what do you expect?!?!?!😠

[@brotaytohpotato4272]

I KNOW RIGHT!

[@greenstorm5568]

"dissatisfied". her daughter DIED you souless greedy corporates!

[@501ststormtrooper9]

My professional opinion? I think that a DICTATOR would feel more sad. Quotes around professional.

[@gdaebb9179]

It is probably a "TEMPLATE" response staff use. They probably fill in the blank (Name, date).

[@michaelnielsen3672]

does anyone know if Stanford has published a response to this video? If not, this is an open invitation for them to do so.

[@franksinatraaintmydadnah3907]

Wlydym

[@newleaksman]

frank Sinatra aint my dad nah I have never heard of the acronym wlydym

[@franksinatraaintmydadnah3907]

@@newleaksman marry us

[@quayuh2209]

@@franksinatraaintmydadnah3907 Ok

[@justsomeoneelse5942]

1k liked

[@marquisdelafayette3117]

My great aunt had a cyst on her spine. She got surgery to remove it, and the doctor ended up shaving off too much of her spine. She's totally paralyzed on one side now. My grandpa got surgery on his shoulder, and the doctor dropped a whole knife in there and stitched him up with it still inside of him. It's just stupid.

[@lizzieb1318]

Marquis de Lafayette wow.

[@its_lia8655]

Marquis de Lafayette A spine surgery is always risky, that's understandable. But leaving a whole ( the knife I'm guessing you're referring to a scalpel ) scalpel in a patient is un acceptable

[@chchchshia]

wow. same here, VA hospital left a sponge in my dad. he died of an infection due to it. I know doctors make mistakes just like the rest of us. but damn he could be alive right now.

[@plok9408]

That's really sad because it's completely unacceptable and avoidable. I have stood in surgeries and LOTS of items are used BUT every item used is documented (usually by a nurse) to insure that nothing gets left in the patient. The team as a whole didn't do its job.

[@Foreverlovely-dg7xd]

Where did that happen so I can make sure I don't go there? What they did is completely unacceptable.

[@international-arms-dealer]

"please help me feel better.." jesus that is heartbreaking :(

[@Jinkypigs]

It enraged me ...

[@hivaladeen4892]

Honestly heartbroken hearing that as well as the pictures of her all kitted up in medical equipment. She was brought into this world and unfortunately only experienced uncertainty and suffering😥 I promise that as I grow older/earn a sustainable living etc. I will gladly give my time and money to bring as much joy into those that deserve the least amount of suffering. It’s soo unfair :(

[@monicarenee7949]

That broke me down, especially since my daughter is close to that age

[@hivaladeen4892]

@@monicarenee7949 it’s awful :( I work full time and ive donated as much as I can atm. Bless the kind hearted heroes that put everything on the line to save those who have no say in this cruel war. If my £100 contributes to a collective to even create the opportunity to save a life then it’s completely worth it.

[@xOALtoFrEak900Ox]

This is way better than Buzzfeed. Love you guys!

[@hiromashimoto7551]

+David Cipriano yeah and buzzfeed has just declined in quality content

[@DA-bm2mj]

sorry but this is as stupid as comparing Forbes with Hello magazine.

[@patchoulicolt7093]

+Hiro Mashimoto and Buzzfeed seems to be scripted

[@issasloth4552]

It's less corrupt

[@danielburkeodonoghue7478]

EVERYTHING is better than buzzfeed

[@njmaag]

I'm now 19 and I had a so called "birthmark" that I was not born with and looked to be a little bump that grew over time, eventually looking like a mosquitoe bite. Eventually when I was older, 6th grade it started getting blue ring. Got a biopsy of it from my leg and turned out to be a super rare skin cancer. When to state hospital and this women was recommending a bad surgery with high rate of cancer return and said they could start immediately. Thank God my parents did more research and went somewhere else. When they told her we were canceling and not going through, she was mad, etc. Some biatch using me as a test rat for own benefit is what I see of it. Other place did surgery with less than 1 percent recurrence. Said when they got it out it was all the way down to the tendon on the protective layer right before hitting it. If I went to the first place for surgery I would have still had cancer and probably lose my leg and more money from more surgery. I talked to someone else (random guy) who happened to work at that place years later and without mentioning surgery he mentioned the one I got elsewhere. Confirms that women was bad/ using me and not caring. Because I had rare cancer, etc. This is why research has to be done for medical decisions.

[@syandalla5891]

Wow! You are brave as heck!

[@Blewlongmun]

+Ninjamaag I will continue to write this to people yes I feel sorry that people lose things but science is the killing of harmless or harmful people, organisms, or items "For the people who are still alive" yah references

[@Blewlongmun]

Daniel Broderick Umm actually there was no "ape" speech, and when did I say vaccines where bad that was never brought up even once. As for the medication I wouldn't be dead because i'm not a dumb ass who goes to strange countries and doesn't think twice I also have never broken a bone nor have I ever been to the hospital except for visiting and to see if I have anything, which I haven't. Any medication i've taken was for ADD and Insomnia which I stopped shortly after my grades plumeted, so actually I'd be just fine. So instead of thinking your right go and check up on some facts then come back and try to prove me wrong. PS after re reading your comment I need to add this note I have never been vaccinated in my life other than for school regulations and other things that require them

[@danielbroderick7609]

+Tate Amstutz The school requires vaccines for a reason. You probably believe that medicine is bullshit since "I haven't died yet". No, you haven't died yet because of those school vaccines. And because of this thing called herd immunity. Basically, herd immunity is when over 90% of the population is vaccinated, which keeps the virus from surviving long enough to kill you. Now, if I misinterpreted your statement, maybe you should learn proper sentence structure. Also, I'd like to see your sources that prove vaccines are bullshit. And while you're at it, maybe you should mention your highest level of education. I'm sure you've been taking lots of college level biology courses.

[@danielbroderick7609]

+Tate Amstutz Also, ADD/ADHD are amongst the most frequently misdiagnosed mental illnesses. It's a shame your faith in science was shattered by your experience with medicine. What probably happened is you had trouble focusing on your schoolwork, and you brought yourself to the doctor, maybe over exaggerated your symptoms, and he wrote you a script for some meds. ADD meds are just prescription amphetamines, which tend to cause sleeplessness. Then you got a prescription for the "insomnia", and you had a vicious cycle of conflicting meds making you feel like general shit.

[@wilkinru]

We need (better?) access to this type of data in making decisions regarding our healthcare. Competition is a good thing here.

[@Vox]

wilkinru check out the interactive map about a quarter-way down page to see data for hospitals near you www.vox.com/2015/7/9/8905959/medical-harm-infection-prevention

[@Hectico2257]

You do understand that competition is a good troubleshooting tool for most businesses but when it comes to healthcare patients can't afford to allow problems like this to happen when their health is on the line, this is in fact the perfect example of how healthcare being run like businesses is a problem. Most doctors are more interested in Jewing their clients out of their money then actually careing fore the wellbeing of the person. And if you can't prove the hospital f*ked up or have an army of lawyers to take your case then you (as a client) are at the mercy of the "attidudes" of the doctors

[@Hectico2257]

Jesse Crossman I'm pretty someone's ability to produce melanin has very little to do with performance. American doctors are just cogs in the corporate machine more interested in separating patients from their money than actually taking care of them, that is why the system is sh*t. Like an overpriced iPhone, unnecessarily pay more for mediocre quality & care. I agree there are limits to what even medical professionals can possibly know, however even the stupidest doctor would know the silliness of comparing performance with genetics (which makes no sense).

[@jessecrossman5538]

Wow, I'm surprised someone so enlightened and understanding as you would use the highly offensive term "Jewing". I guess your tolerance only extends to some groups and not others. What a hypocritical piece of shit you are.

[@Hectico2257]

Jesse Crossman my apologies, /pol/ habits die hard,

[@d.e.b.b5788]

As a nurse who has worked in a dozen different hospitals, all I can say is that some administrators really do believe that a certain number of deaths and bad outcomes are just 'a cost of doing business', and they think that's why they pay for liability insurance. This is frightening, that hospital administrators actually believe that, and understaff those places because they'd rather increase profits than keep more people alive. In America, healthcare is just another business to the vast majority of administrators; all they really care about is the bottom line of $$$$$. They don't get a financial bonus for great outcomes, or fewer deaths, they get a financial bonus for increasing profits. Don't believe me? Check it out yourself.

[@molang0394]

off topic but steins gate pfp yes yes yes

[@MiMi-tj5zf]

So true

[@nathana3170]

I know a hospital administrator. He only cares about the bottom line and will plow over any person to reach his financial goals.

[@jocelyncooper1738]

@@nathana3170 that is terrifying

[@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii4222]

America, the self-proclaimed greatest country of this planet. 😅

[@jjk4891]

The doctor at Johns Hopkins looked very excited with what he’s doing to make a change. Kudos to him! Hope there’s more doctors like him and nurses in Roseville :)

[@Danzroo]

Make it Worldwide

[@lvteachme973]

Wow. I know NOT to go to Stanford Hospital. On the other hand, so impressed by the Roseville Hospital. They are true professionals.

[@Barlos69]

Hope you dont live in California

[@whosagoodgirl5846]

Barlos 69 Roseville is in California

[@queenelizabeth8145]

@@whosagoodgirl5846 i think that they were saying that because if you live in Cali and have a serious condition/injury then you might be flown to Stanford

[@Delightfulwitch]

This is terrifying. As someone who's had multiple surgeries and been through the medical system I couldn't help but cry.

[@665hp]

"The Stanford hospital killed her" Before video: *Stanford Health Advertisement*

[@nathanaelraynard2641]

Way to shoot you own feet

[@petramark294]

Deadass?

[@poolbath8281]

'MERICA

[@caseyj5637]

Welp I'm never going to Stanford Hospital.

[@SmilingSmiley11]

I also don't want to go there but sadly I was born there Yeah

[@caseyj5637]

Smiling Smiley11 you'll never escape.

[@SmilingSmiley11]

Casey J ;-;

[@usernamehasbeenvoid7671]

Casey J Oh my god. I'm starting to go there for lung problems. Now I'm second guessing it.

[@neemaamiry8947]

TheSaltyMutantEats sad man

[@jaredpuhalla5360]

The way those nurses went above and beyond to strive for zero infections is inspiring!! A lot can be learned from their efforts

[@brianfong5711]

Nurse: Not on my watch you son a church!

[@cuylerhart5298]

Lesson learned: Don’t go to Stanford Medical Center

[@Barlos69]

Whelp I hope you dont live in California. Chances are if you live in California and sustain some sort of major injury or illness you’ll be flown out to stanford.

[@peepoo3561]

Barlos 69 Even if you’re not in CA. My aunt had cancer and she was told to go to Stanford for chemotherapy, despite her living in Nevada. Nothing bad happened, it just shows how everyone who has a serious condition is shipped out to Stanford with no questions asked.

[@HuckleisMyHoney]

@@Barlos69 Stanford isn't the only place you can be transfered to. You also have other UC Med Centers as options too.

[@Barlos69]

Hσηєувєє тнє ƁƖσggєя ♡ im aware but thanks for informing me anyways, thats why I said “chances are”

[@sizzle7578]

Or, dont live in america

[@jelly.rollish9023]

not only did her daughter pass away, her daughter passed away in her mother’s arms. as sweet as it sounds, it’s awful for the mother. the mother has to live with the feeling of not “making her feel better.” that’s disgusting.

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

If I were the parents of that poor child, I'd have sued that hospital into the ground for what they did and how the responded to letting a 3 year old girl die.

[@DumbassPlumber]

Money is not gonna bring the kid back. And taking money from the hospital won't help other patients either.

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

+BILLder BURRg Money is a coping mechanism, and without the threat of action, then hospitals have no reason to improve. If a hospital lets it's patients die, it shouldn't be open.

[@Ch1l1C0nCarnag3]

+BILLder BURRg No. of course they don't. That's why it's important for victims of malpractice to pursue the hospital for as much as they can get. The last thing they want is someone hurting their profits.

[@christianlibertarian5488]

Your comment shows how distorted this video was. This was not some normal child, but rather one with a serious disease. That is why she needed constant IV therapy. That child was not going to live a long life, no matter what. More likely, if it hadn't been for the intervention of that hospital, the child would have died a six months of age. Notice they didn't say what the disease was, or why the child needed so many central lines. That would have ruined their biased report.

[@DA-bm2mj]

+Christian Libertarian you seem to misunderstand the message of this video. it's not about the kid was going to die anyway soon or later. it's about the hospital's attitude. you should go apply to the Stanford hospital, they might hire you, as you seem to share their views on how to treat people.

[@007-JamesB]

I'm surprised they didn't ask Standford for a look at how they do their sterilization process. Nor did they mention the average number of patients at each hospital.

[@007-JamesB]

ikr haha, it's hard to believe they really did not want to showcase themselves and possibly not look as bad, or could it be because vox never asked them?

[@blacklynx137]

It doesnt matter though because theres evidence in 1 how many infections she got and 2 they're response to the mother. Remember that was their truthful response to criticisms about their techniques and they basically told the mom it's just the nature of things

[@miaria]

Onshi ri It would still be useful to see their sterilization process. Maybe it would then be possible to pinpoint what the problem was.

[@VKingMD]

They did that because it doesn't fit their narrative. Central lines are always put in under sterile conditions. Standford has weekly conferences with doctors to discuss unexpected complications. Stanford is twice the size and treats far sicker patients who are more likely to get an infection. They built a false narrative based solely on a letter sent to a grieving mother by the legal department.

[@rawdata678]

The answer is Root Cause Analysis ..the manager of the second hospital named it. It's a method of assessment about events..and it searches for the real cause of the incident. I think it's derived from airplane crashes..tho. I studied it as I'm a nurse.

[@Diamond_Dude30]

In Ireland, car crashes make it onto national news

[@undefinedobjective]

I was actually thinking this exact thing when they said that crashes don't make the news.

[@Diamond_Dude30]

Its_Ghost maybe its because of Irelands lower population?

[@undefinedobjective]

+MrForestfirefan Yeah I would say that's most definitely a main factor.

[@sspoirier]

Car crashes make national news here in Canada also.

[@stevieboy8297]

+s poirier America just sucks

[@Fingasinurass]

When the mother said her daughter said “hold me”.... my heart shook. Tears overflowed.

[@luccorvus]

"We apologize that you were dissatisfied with your experience" ... That is what I call an understatement....

[@gangstaberry2496]

When my mom was 17, she broke her back in a car accident. Because she lived in a really poor neighborhood, the hospital was severely sub-par; they examined her and said she was fine to go home. To this day she suffers with back problems. This summer she went to one of the best hospitals in Dallas, Baylor, to get a surgery for her neck. Sorry, I don't remember the name, but basically they put some machinery in her neck to replace some weak vertabrae. My mom lives alone and I traveled from Chile, where I live, to make sure she recovered well. The night before I was going to leave, she fell on the floor, with her neck swollen. After many hospital visits and scans, we found out that one of the screws in the machinery was not the right size. She had to spend weeks in the hospital getting strong treatments for the infection caused by the screw making a hole in her throat. I think the saddest part for me was that, although I saved my mom's life by taking her to the hospital that night, I had to leave soon after so I could return to work. She was alone for weeks dealing with the same doctors that messed up her surgery. Those few weeks at work, I just kept picturing her, alone, with strong back pain from the uncomfortable hospital beds, a weakening immune system due to the strong anti-biotics, and spending hours with no one to comfort her or support her.

[@stxnw]

gangstaberry2496 Then you shouldn't have left for work, you workaholic.

[@muhammadizzhakimbinramli3431]

In his defense, without him working, no one would be able to pay for his mom’s bills

[@stxnw]

Muhammad Ramli There's a thing called a loan. There's another thing called savings as well.

[@littlelittleboiboi5797]

CroSs xD He could have been fired for not returning for work.He probably ran out of leave

[@stxnw]

littlelittle boiboi If you live in a first world country, emergency leaves are allowed.

[@skankinwitch5180]

I have a central line myself (I need metabolic stabilizers that are not able to go through my digestive system due to its acidity. (I have EDNOS in case you were wondering)) and the fact that this hospital let a little girl die sickens me... I could've been that little girl.

[@gridg1896]

Sorry to hear that... I hope you get better

[@finnbaraoidan9930]

But with todays medical marvels, you CAN be a little girl! :P Also get well soon :)

[@tropicaltundra6409]

well your werent that girl and people die everyday it is unavoidable BUT the hospital should of followed basic code and thier Hippocratic Oath

[@japeuncuit1087]

It is if it was preventable.

[@andrewgoth581]

Does that make it ok then?

[@sistersnatched1463]

My grandma was always going to the hospital complaining of pains in certain places in her body. They did multiple scans and found nothing... A week or two before she died, she felt really unwell and took an ambulance to the hospital. She was found to have multiple areas that had cancer... my family was very sceptical on how this wasn’t seen earlier as she was going in for all types of scans throughout the years before she died. She would literally go every other week to her doctor... I think she was failed by the nhs and she could’ve lived for many more years to come. RIP grandma Peggy.

[@paltheporg7821]

I’m sorry for your loss.

[@themusther161]

RIP Grandma Peggy

[@cerenb7909]

RIP. Im sorry

[@asunflower7993]

RIP I'm sorry for your loss

[@pranavr4017]

My condolences, I’m sure she’s in a better place now.

[@leaspeer3323]

Another problem is actually listening to patients When they say there’s a problem, many times they are blown off as not knowing what they are talking about

[@editedbylaurel]

Yep. I was once told that I hadn't dislocated my knee by an emergency room nurse when I had watched it dislocate (it had gone back in place by the time I got to the hospital). They were convinced I hadn't dislocated it until they did an x ray

[@poolbath8281]

It's probably the worst thing possible when your doctor ignores you. it Can you leave you in a physically and even mentally unhealthy place. I would've been able to and the abuse in my life much sooner had my doctor just listen to me

[@robertyoung2819]

This happens a lot at to Me at the VA clinics and hospitals I have no alternative I need help... They have almost killed me a couple times... It is quite sad... I am just a number... They are just wanting their paycheck...

[@dullheadedfreak]

"Oops we killed you child, uh oh, sorry. :c" - Stanford Hospital

[@eneeley-205]

but they didn't even say sorry

[@giuliab8484]

Elizabeth Neeley It’s a sarcastic sorry

[@getbaked6420]

Rest in peace Nora.

[@EmilyChipMusic]

In november, I was having severe pain in my side for weeks, and i could not keep any food inside of me, and even any water. As i was in the ER, they told me I might have a stomach bug and told me to go home, and wouldn’t give me any meds. A couple weeks later I was in the ER and for the same things because i couldn’t take the pain. My lipase was in the thousands as a teenager, and they immediately gave me morphine and rushed me to a different hospital via ambulance that could better treat me. Sometimes doctors just refuse to listen to their patients. I had bad pancreatitis for weeks but i suffered alone for a long time because I doctor dismissed it as nothing. There are so many issues in hospitals that need to be addressed, thank you for this video.

[@minimooster7258]

oh gosh, my heart when she said how Nora died😢. My heart goes to her family❤💙💚

[@nicoleilag]

+minimooster My heart broke when she was talking about Nora saying "please help me feel better".

[@auliasky]

+minimooster Cried my eyes out. Myself a parent. It breaks my heart even more because I know what it's like to have a child, and for him to be taken away from me? Wouldnt know how to cope.

[@minimooster7258]

+xxXSalty_Viper420Xxx I'm so so sorry the way you find joy is by calling other people names for having emotions.

[@minimooster7258]

+xxXSalty_Viper420Xxx I'm beginning to wonder, do you think that by insulting people you will somehow make yourself more?

[@stickmanjoe7051]

+minimooster He's just a troll, ignore him.

[@honestlyaram9211]

died in her mother's arms. omw I'm depressed now. I would never be able to deal with something like that. I could even hear a tremble in his voice as he said it.

[@Liuhuayue]

It was a pretty awful outcome, that's true. I consider her having passed away with her mother holding her a positive rather than a negative part of the story, though. It would have been better if she had survived, but still, it wasn't the worst way to go. It would have been worse if she had passed while her mother wasn't by her side.

[@AdamButLike..IfIHadTime]

That's not what depression is

[@Rissy617]

as a nurse, you always want to prevent these things and we always talk about them and the data on preventable issues on our floor (trauma med-surg in a big city). but sadly in this time, healthcare is a business in the US, a patient is a number. unfortunately, I think many hospital administrators are more concerned about the numbers, having the best rates in the city, least amount of infections (which usually equals a "full" payment from insurances), better ads to attract more patients, etc vs if humans suffer. However, they also want to reach those numbers the cheapest way possible, which can relate to less staffing. Inadequate staffing multiplies the risk of complications! for example, skin care is very important when you're stuck in bed, but if there's not enough staff/support to turn you often, clean you immediately after you went to bathroom, etc you're more likely to have skin breakdown (which means less payment from insurances, which is what matters to admin). my boss always demands "better numbers" (we have good results essentially) but we already work so hard you don't know what you can do! and inpatient care in US is getting busier and more acute (aka more dangerous for patients and staff) and they still want to make cuts. sometimes, the hospital is so full, we have ICU level patients who can't get transferred due to lack of space so you have them as a patient with four other acutely I'll patients!! wtf! so dangerous!!! and they wonder why nurses strike... it's so frustrating 😡

[@DBZHGWgamer]

You contradict yourself there.

[@wise0beast]

no clue what the other guy's taking about. instead, i feel you; thanks for sharing!

[@chaosawaits]

As someone who works in a hospital near Stanford and having worked in Sacramento/Roseville area as an EMT, I have seen many nurses and other hospital personnel coming in/out of a room without sanitizing their hands. A big issue with hand sanitation is with C-diff precautions. Anyone who walks out of a C-diff room must wash their hands with soap and water even if they made no contact with the patient while inside the room. Just last night, while in such a room, a nurse tried to leave without washing her hands. I told her she must and she turned to me and said, "oh, be quiet." That same night another nurse left the room without washing his hands because he wanted to use the sink down the hall. So he walked down a clean hall with C-diff infected hands and contaminated the common area.

[@lilq2746]

That's why, hospitals kinda suck. If you go to a independent medical office, you get a lot more care along with happier professionals.

[@mirandawhite5247]

I cannot express how disturbing it is to hear about healthcare professionals not washing their hands, especially after leaving infectious rooms. As a patient once with C-diff, I can relate and understand the severity of this. C-diff is very contagious and when I had it after I got my appendix removed they isolated me from other patients. Doctor and nurses had to gown up before they entered my room and wash their hands before they left, so they wouldn’t spread it to other patients. Even when I was discharged I was asked to take bleach wipes home to disinfect my house, so those around me wouldn’t get infected. As the video addressed, some hospitals view infections as plane crashes, “an unacceptable problem that needs investigation.” Other hospitals view them as car crashes, “just a tragic event of a risky business.” Allowing infection to spread due to negligent behavior among our healthcare professionals is extreme issue that needs to be addressed. Washing hands is very important in medicine and there are many reasons why we do it. We do not wash our hands to simply prevent germs and diseases from spreading, we wash them because it’s the ethical thing to do. As a health care professional, you have a duty to your patients and that is to prevent harm to them and give them the best care you can provide. As you pointed out, many nurses unfortunately do not. Not washing your hands is intentionally being negligent. And for those hospitals who address this as a car crash, just a tragic event, is also intentionally negligent because they know the risk behind not washing their hands. The nurse’s duty is to prevent harm to her patients and coworkers by taking extra precautions so the infectious disease does not spread. The nurse breached this duty by not washing her/his hands. By not doing this, the nurse’s affected party is at risk. Poor choices like this is a failure of the standard of due care because healthcare professionals are not taking appropriate care to prevent harm. I completely understand your frustration and more importantly I stress that it’s beyond unethical for healthcare professionals to allow preventable infectious diseases from spreading.

[@analisapena3086]

“Dissatisfied” Bro this ain’t a dress with no form that you got from Amazon.

[@aydenandrews8765]

I work at a hospital. It is unbelievably easy to spread diseases and hurt patients unknowingly or because of unknowledgable nurses. If you dont wear the proper gear in EVERY patients room, you are risking the well-being of EVERY patient in the hospital. Hospitals do realize that this is true- and do take measures to lower that number. But ultimately- a hospital is a business. If they had a solution that could eliminate accidental patient death but it came with a heafty price- they would absolutely not consider it. They are looking to maximize profits in every corner. This is just the truth.

[@gabemerritt3139]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 Still working on margins though, if sanitizing a whole room, using six pairs of gloves, and hiring another well trained nurse costs more on average than the 1/1000 chance of an infection without those procedures the hospital will cut out the practice. I'm a capitalist it does more good than harm, but it's hard to say where to draw the line at what is acceptable.

[@gabemerritt3139]

@@bosstowndynamics5488 One of the primary reasons capitalism sucks for healthcare is basic supply and demand. A sick person needs care, and will give anything for it. There is practically unlimited demand if their condition is bad enough. There is all to often no option for the consumer/patient to say no deal and wait/look somewhere else.

[@yoursnotmine1996]

It's only a business if it's allowed to be. America has one of the worst healthcare systems in the world. Cuba has better healthcare and everyone has a right to healthcare. It's the same in the UK where I'm from.

[@GrainneDhu]

As I watch this, I am sitting in my hospital room (yay for wi-fi!) with a central line installed. I know which type of attitude I hope this hospital has.

[@mauz791]

Hope you fine rn

[@GrainneDhu]

@@mauz791 Thank you! I was discharged a few days ago and everything is fine. After watching this video, I watched anyone who touched that central line like a hawk.

[@mauz791]

@@GrainneDhu lmao nice. I never had a central line, only a cannula. Lucky me I guess. Also, how many gloves did they have while handling the line?

[@GrainneDhu]

@@mauz791 , for just hooking the antibiotic solution to the line, they used a single pair of gloves after washing hands (plus special sanitiser caps on the ports). For changing the dressing that held the line in place, they used two pairs of gloves, everyone including me used masks and they draped me with sterile towelling to maintain a sterile field. They were super, super careful. I asked how long it had been since they'd had a central line infection and the nurse said she wasn't sure but she thought it was 6 or 7 years. She went off to check for sure and said that according to their records, it was nearly 10 years.

[@mauz791]

@@GrainneDhu Cool! At least something worthwhile the 10 year challenge.

[@sadientra9663]

This is such a great video. It's sad that people have to do research to see which hospital is best when ALL hospitals should have high standards. These are people's LIVES. I bet if those nurses were operating on their own family they would have tried harder. What a shame.

[@brunettelion17]

Every day we are trained to treat each person with the highest of care, nothing is perfect but the level of effort does not waiver based on the patient. We are actually not allowed to treat a person of interest in order to maintain that standard. The reason there are hospitals that are considered to be better out there is because of things like funding and employee experience. Both of which are very high in variability

[@monaymonay7446]

Alexa Dipeso bullshit every hospital and clinic I've been to all the medical staff have treated me bad only some stopped once I complained but the current clinic I go to has treated me terribly throughout my entire prenatal care. all we are is a paycheck very few about 2 percent of medical personnel actually care about patients.

[@missccarr89]

Sadientra to me the hospital wouldn't take accountability for their own mistakes which to me means they do not aren't interested in how the patients are so no doubt they really don't show interest in their staff's long term effects, just the implication of liability bothers them.

[@elizabethf5574]

monay monay right my dad got surgery and the nurse he got to clean and dress his wound was very rude and unprofessional she kept telling my dad that he shouldn't yell when she cleaned out his wound. which we ended up finding out later that she was supposed to give him pain medicine before cleaning his wound to prevent pain/ the cleaning being difficult. we found out from another nurse who actually followed correct procedures with my dad later. And she was telling him that he should be complaining ( first nurse told him this).

[@hellohowareyou9745]

You can feel the unwarranted passive-agressiveness in saying she was "dissatisfied." VERY unprofessional.

[@mirpandas]

Infectious control nurses are so badass.

[@JavierOcampo]

+mirpandas I know right!! they're heroes!

[@LibertyForAll-l3q]

what is point are you trying to get thorugh? Why is it wrong to show appreciation for the nurses they save lives, pretty muhc the definiton of a hero.

[@LibertyForAll-l3q]

Yes but there is a reason to why they pursued those careers and it's more than just money since they don't earn that much and their work schedule is terrible. If you just want money then there are thousands of better professions that are more comfortable than being a nurse.

[@LibertyForAll-l3q]

But doesn't it make them more of a hero that everyone can do it, but they are the ones doing it? Also the only reason why life rescuers say things like it's just a job is because they're trying to be humble and don't want people to critize them because they get paid rescuing people.

[@lv2279]

Farmers are heroes too!

[@ninrey19]

I fear that because of Vox's superior quality videos compared to other news-outlet type channels it will lead to an explosion of popularity and channel growth which will cause the quality to decrease. Million sub channels don't make the same kind of content that channels the size of Vox make. It feels kind of like when a show that is aired for a long time. You notice a redundancy in the episodes. Things like reusing plots from older episodes, lack of originality and spirit. It'll feel corporate like.

[@Vox]

The Flying Nimbus Thanks for your comment! This is something we think about a lot too, and we're going to do our best to make sure that doesn't happen :)

[@parkerflop]

It is my fear as well.....

[@williamcarrington4960]

my fear as well

[@royaltyler1]

+Vox Well it's good to know that you're at least anticipating it. I trust that you'll make it, you guys seem very educated and I think if you do your research like you do with these videos it'll end up perfectly fine ^~^

[@kekkocheng]

+The Flying Nimbus 90% of suddenly-popular channels fall from this. Just knowing that Vox know about this and anticipate it months ago just make me relieve, you know?

[@VLNTN333]

The woman talking about her daughter is so incredibly strong I expected her to burst Into tears a soon as she started talking about her

[@zlatkajupe]

They gave my mom the one medication she was deathly allergic to when she was put in a drug induced coma for extreme breathing issues. It's quite upsetting because she passed away and technically we could have tried to sue but who has the money to fight a multi billion dollar legal team.

[@camrynbruh3444]

when I move when I'm older I'm so going to research hospitals. If there are hospitals out there that treat death like that; I'm not even going to think about living near them.

[@williamcowan4936]

Lol go live in some imaginary place

[@alexmeza3594]

William Cowan that’s the goal. To make it a variable that one doesn’t need to think about that option

[@adaharrisonn]

Camryn Hahn lmfao. Good luck buddy.

[@RadioForYahweh]

the negativity in the world shocks me every day

[@alize0623]

Camryn Hahn That’s very responsible! Also check their prices for medical care! :)

[@donna2569]

“Dissatisfied” Yeah we are clearly in a restaurant and they found a hair in their food This is not a dissatisfaction, this is just I can’t even explain it, her child died, this is sorrow and sadness and anger not just dissatisfaction

[@gabriellekdrew]

Line infections are 99.99 % preventable! I have had one for 8 years and never had one knock on wood. Hospitals are not diligent enough and just except them as something that happens. WRONG! She should sue otherwise the hospital's will never learn! 😢😷🏥

[@hughes40]

wait what-ta ya mean you have had one for 8 years??

[@gabriellekdrew]

I had a line in my body for 8 year and just recently got it remove, because I grew out of it!😷🏥🏨🏩 (Then got a new one)

[@toaster8907]

+WonderGirl+ what does it feel like having a rubber tube in your body

[@gabriellekdrew]

People always ask me this but to be honest it doesn't really feel like anything, except sometimes tender, but thanks for asking I always love informing people on the topic! Awareness is extremely important!

[@toaster8907]

+WonderGirl+ Thanks

[@nancymcnafferson3192]

The part that got me was “we are sorry you were dissatisfied with your experience”-type message. She didn’t go to a restaurant, she lost her daughter.

[@fitnesswithsteve]

Why does their video "why do cartoon characters wear gloves" have over five times more views than this? This is a very important issue that needs to be seen!

[@nyree7876]

Probably because the cartoon video is fun and light, while this is dark and kinda depressing... although yeah, it is super important. But I don't think most people go on KZbin to get sad.

[@ek07305]

Think about it this way. The fact that is it covered by Vox with a great following gives substantial spotlight to the issue than they would have had if they hadn't covered the story. In other words, the views they have now is probably the most the issue could have in a very long time or until someone very renowned passes away due to the same infection the kid in video died from. Bottom line.

[@NB7281]

Stephen Mason now I wanna know why they wear gloves

[@camisereed5188]

KZbin algorithm

[@misange137]

Wow, this makes me so happy that I work in a hospital that makes patient safety it's top priority. It's heartbreaking to hear that any other place of healing is taking harm so lightly. Patient safety is a serious issue that always requires a serious solution. Unfortunately, finding those solutions require trial and error, because of the various factors that are inherent to germs, viruses and bacteria alone, but hopefully, through staff and patient education, we can bring these down to zero.

[@RadioForYahweh]

Mel Thank you for getting it. it's all about getting to that magic number zero. It will take time and research and development and practice but it will happen if everyone is willing to climb aboard

[@stephaniem9561]

Mel Well said. It comes down to accountability. We are never going to eliminate mistakes completely. When they do happen, a root cause analysis should be done. People have to be willing to speak up.

[@josearce599]

The people that disliked are the doctors that don't care about the patients.

[@datlittledragon]

Her last words where, “Please help me feel better.” Then…she died… arms on her mother’s neck. ;C

[@_vicoliciousgambino8882]

4:47 "Please help me feel better" 😔😔❤❤ I kissed my daughter after listening to her!

[@clambismable]

Its interesting because Stanford Hospital has such a world-renown reputation and access to probably the most funding out of any hospital in the area (with exception of UCSF) while the hospital doing such great work is Sutter-affiliated, not the most well-regarded nor funded hospital network. Goes to show its not only about money (although its definitely a massive factor) but also workplace culture as well.

[@TheMabes69]

Means nothing...I did clinical rotations at U Penn and the place was filthy

[@jasmineangie4652]

I was admitted into Stanford University Children’s Hospital when I was 15 years old. I was diagnosed with epilepsy. They did a brain surgery on me to remove seizures cells that they had found active. I have a huge scar on my head the size of a horse shoe. They shaved my head. I was very scared because I didn’t know what was going to happen to me. I was just a kid. My parents were making all the decisions for me. Thankfully I survived and I was in such hope that the operation would stop my seizures. 14 days later I had a seizure. All of my hope was crushed. So my life went on with having seizures. When the neurologist and the brain surgeon found out that I had another seizure they just seemed to wash their hands of it and gave it a “ Well, we tried”. Because of the brain surgery and the location of where they needed to cut, I had to re-learn to walk and talk again. It was all for nothing...

[@mariageorgieva6245]

@@jasmineangie4652 So sorry this happened to you ;( i'll strive to become an amazing nurse so this never happens!

[@niffernurse]

It’s about the clinicians at Sutter Roseville, they nurses on the Vascular access team are the ones who drove the zero CRBSI culture.

[@isaacrivera.colorado]

one death is a tragedy, 1 million is a statistic

[@gunt111]

Isaac Rivera my man I'm sure if 1 million people died at once it would be a tragedy and a statistic, same with the one death

[@kelseyking1710]

I had to get an Iv to my heart due to an infection in my heart and lungs. We call it a PIC IV. The procedure where they inserted my line into my heart was exactly they way they showed in this video, During my procedure a nurse tried to come into my room just to let me know I had a vistor and the PIC nurses would not allow her to enter since they already sanitized everything in the room to begin the procedure. I live in PEI, Canada. Give our population being so small and the fact our hospital (QEH) takes every precaution needed is what needs to happen. Especially within a larger population where procedures like this are more common more lives are at risk. No mother should have to bury her daughter.

[@rachelnstephens]

I've worked directly with hospitals, which is why I tell everyone I'd rather give birth in the woods than in a hospital. The amount of laziness, incompetence and pushback against ideas to prevent errors boggles the mind. I finally had to quit.

[@williamcowan4936]

Rachel Stephens lmao go give birth in the woods

[@alphadragon7645]

Rachel Stephens then YOU should continue to work in hospitals as u will set a gd example

[@ian1064]

Rachel Stephens lol if you are in my country you never give birth in a hospital anyways

[@NitroIndigo]

There was once a story on the UK news about a woman whose child died shortly after being born because the midwives were arguing. The saddest part was that she had a photo of the baby.

[@TheNicolombiano77]

I’m sure the woods have a higher standard of safety lmao. Dumbass

[@emmacowles9697]

omg the way nora died made me cry

[@annalittle4857]

What happens when you have plane crashes, car crashes, and medical harm? Grey's Anatomy

[@TheFadedFate]

truth

[@JamietheFangirl22]

Yep!

[@audobone]

Let's not forget bomb blasts, storms and shooters running all over the place.

[@namiecheng1998]

Okay, but where's the lie here?

[@apex9580]

??

[@DJoee]

The hospital in Roseville is where my grandfather received treatment. He sadly passed away but the amount of care and kindness we all received from the hospital staff was incredible while he was in the ICU.

[@Tip_2]

that's nuts that Roseville has one the best hospitals, my two little brothers were both born in that hospital

[@chaosawaits]

I was surprised that Sutter Hospital had such a good reputation as well. I'm from the area as well and worked as an EMT. Though Sutter was not the worst, they certainly weren't the best either. Of the main hospitals in the area: Sutter, Kaiser, UC Davis Med Center, and Mercy, I would have guessed UCDMC.

[@birgittabirgersdatter8082]

What, you mean you might have had two little sisters if your mother had chosen another hospital?

[@evewhoo]

Birgitta Birgersdatter That's not what they mean at all....

[@rockerfaerie2]

chaosawaits agreed, When he said they were going to Sacramento, I was sure he meant UCDMC. I was very surprised to hear Roseville. I don’t have any experience at SRMC but I just know the UCD has a better rep.

[@niffernurse]

@@chaosawaits it’s not saying that it’s the best hospital, it’s saying they were (and have been) nationally renown for their Vascular Access Team and their zero CRBSI. UCD could have a couple a week. You can see the data on the state website.

[@angelahagerman5003]

I lived like 5 minutes away from Roseville I am very proud and happy to hear that they are so amazing at focusing on these major (but sometimes not seen as major) issues I hope I work there one day as I want to be a nurse 💕

[@paytonfowler2733]

“Dissatisfied with your experience” that’s what you say when your reviewing a restaurant

[@lzh4950]

In my country IIRC some reviewers had been sued by food outlets over their negative reviews

[@tamari1910]

@@lzh4950 tf?!

[@InsertTitleHere-]

To be very honest - after watching my grandpa in the hospital for months (he got better and left!!) and seeing how that hospital worked.... if this kid got 4 line infections, it was probably because of the preventable mistakes of a single nurse or technician. My grandpa was visited by the same 5 nurses and 2 doctors over and over for all those months, the total number of hospital staff who cared for him was 7. It was on his chart who checked him and what they did, we could see the chart without asking because it was printed on his wall and the nurses and doctors wrote on it daily like a calendar. Most likely, a single specific hospital staff member, whether it was the doctor or a nurse, is the one responsible for the repeat infections and death. Remind me to never seek care at Stanford hospital - they obviously never investigated it and that person is still working there, uncorrected and a danger to patient health.

[@michaelafritz7891]

I drive by Stanford Hospital at least twice a week now I’m going to think about this every time

[@flamflam6652]

Nora was so beautiful 😭

[@wii3willRule]

Even if she wasn't, she was a little child.

[@SrijanChakraborty]

vox team, you are doing a commendable job by bringing to light such issues. this is such an eye opener. thank you

[@d.g.5468]

Short answer: yes! This is 100% preventable!! My grandfather had a central line for a while because he needed treatment at home. At 17 years old I was giving him the treatments every 6 hours including in the middle of the night, and I managed to keep it clean and free from infection. DO BETTER!

[@marcietheillest3679]

*An estimated 0.3~0.6% of deaths from preventable accidents globally and you focus in on a small proportion of them. *No risk analysis of the claims of the risks of going to hospital shows a lack of inquiry and a clear editorial intent. *No risk analysis specifically with regards to central line infections. *No credentials are given for Claire and no additional experts are presented to back up the narrative of safety procedure failings in the hospital. Her specific grievances are never outlined. *No evidence is presented that the first hospital has not implemented the procedures. *Many claims are made about the administrative and working culture in the second hospital which is secondary to the primary procedures regarding secondary lines. No evidence is presented that shows that the culture presented in the second hospital actually reduces infection rates. Again, there is no supporting evidence of a contrast with the first hospital, aside from the opinion of the editor.

[@YourBuddyDidi]

+Marcie, the Illest That type of journalism would cost a lot of money and time. I don't know if a media outlet like Vox would be able to fund something like that. Though all your points are very much legitimate concerning the validity of the argument in this video, I would not discard it as this little report still is a fraction of a picture we otherwise would never see. It might not bring all the answers and proper comparison, but maybe it is the beginning of the formulation of the question.

[@SianaGearz]

It would have helped a lot if Vox allowed some benefit of doubt in their piece, a bit of allowance for things that they couldn't take into more careful consideration just by at least mentioning them.

[@OleHestetun]

I love Vox, so damn high quality on their videos

[@oleslazouka891]

Ikr

[@thesonicravn870]

Ole-Andrè Hestetun How about deceptive videos.I feel so terrible for the passing of that young girl. But there are a lot of things to consider before blaming the hospital. Including what kind of budget they have, the training they have gotten and her pre existing health issues. This video didn't give enough information on the other hospital where that poor girl passed. I'm sure these doctors are not bad people, and I can almost ensure that they tried as hard as they could to save her. And they may have been doing everything right, the only thing we have to go on is the mother. She may have thought that some things seemed out of place and they actually were. It also seemed kind of "shock value." they never brought up another case, and continued to compare the situation to the girl. they didn't talk to any other patients in that hospital. They also show clips of her whenever they can to burn it into your head. And it works because it is a tragedy but that's one case. (that they referenced) A large part of this video isn't talking about facts just Nora. And how do we know they take a "car crash mentality" what evidence do you have to prove it? They may have taken what try learned from this and incorporated into another case.

[@dowiee2694]

Ole-Andrè Hestetun Especially that highlighting effect.

[@kaytlen.bruck1287]

I cannot believe that 210,000 deaths a year are associated to preventable harm in hospitals! The fact that that is more than drug overdoses, AIDS, and breast cancer combined sickens me. Going to a hospital should not be a risk, people should not be harmed in hospitals. Simple things like a central line infection should be prevented and watched closely. Too many doctors and nurses are too relaxed when it comes to sanitation protocols. Infections like these should have a zero tolerance policy. There is always something that can be done better, some different intervention to prevent an error. Instead of just expecting infections to happen hospitals need to start viewing them as a defect. Health care professionals need to have a more preventable attitude towards patient harm.

[@jaredmabbutt6142]

You clearly don't understand the medical field at all. There are many factors that are nearly impossible to control. Like patient's skin getting dirty after they leave or a tiny bacteria getting in is almost impossible. Most procedures have many regulations that are meant to stop this stuff from happening. Hell I got a minor infection after getting a shot because I took off the band aid too early. So don't beat on the doctors they have to tell people that their loved ones might die and most (not all) want you to live a long healthy life so they don't have to see you as much. Also thinking hospitals cause more harm than help is what kills a lot of people.

[@jojo-pd4ii]

Um your numbers are off honey

[@happysloth3208]

Doctors and nurses are human. We all make mistakes no one can really be perfect. It even says that if you read a consent form at a hospital before consenting to have a treatment. It sucks but there is always a risk of an unfavorable outcome in life.

[@laurent1144]

@@jojo-pd4ii Those are the numbers given in the video and the same numbers in my healthcare textbooks.

[@iBeFloe]

No doctor or nurse is “relaxed”. We’re heavily trained on this & there IS a zero tolerance policy. Doctors & nurses aren’t robots. Mistakes happen. People are human. And most try their absolute best to prevent it, but because we’re all human there are some who aren’t as strict with the procedures. Let’s not forget about tech’s either. Various people play a factor into the patients health. That includes the patient themselves as well. It’s not always the doctor or nurse’s fault. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it’s the tech’s fault. Sometimes it’s the patients fault either on purpose or their immune system.

[@jennyholt948]

I have had several of these on myself and no one has ever explained the dangers that come with it. Thank you so much.

[@Pippychan]

Rest in Peace little Nora. You didn't deserve the pain and sickness you were put through in life. May you finally know peace.

[@justinwinchell12]

I was born in that second hospital!! Go Sutter Hospital of Roseville for treating their patients right!

[@weirdviews6113]

Cool

[@carljohnson589]

Disatified? Her daughter has died because of them “we apologize”

[@ArtamStudio]

Surprised they didn't give her a coupon towards her next visit

[@kimchi8022]

I’m so sorry Nora..you seemed like such a sweet and kind girl. You didn’t deserve to go so early. We can all tell that you lived a life full of laughing and love. You’re no longer in pain.

[@randomquestion7592]

The hospital in our city left my older sister when she was just born in a cold room, she had to be moved to a different hospital because they didn't to anything to help her. She had to stay a two weeks next to a bloody heater to warm up.

[@jauume]

I'd understand Nora got one infection, because sometimes life happens, people make mistakes, this is a huge mistake and should have consequences, but 3 more? That's unaceptable

[@Redorgreenful]

I love how the spotlight is on nurses. Nurses doing the research, nurses taking the steps to fix the problem. They deserve that commendation.

[@consciouscool]

I had surgery and got an infection while there. My doctor says, Yeah, the hospital is basically the worst place to be. Signed myself out, went home and never got another infection while I healed.