DO NOT ACCEPT THIS APOLOGY FROM JAGEX - (OSRS)

[@Max-sj3fz]

Reminder that Mod Pip was the "monetization manager" heading up the Squeal of Fortune change in 2012.

[@GnomonkeyRS]

It alllllll makes sense.

[@xNSHD]

this is actually extremely important information to remember whenever you read or hear anything Mod PIp says in future.

[@Jaguaist]

Well that definitely puts this post of his in a new light, thanks for the heads up!

[@Xderda]

I'm not doubting you, but do you have a source for this that we can share?

[@bayzul7405]

​@@XderdaOSRS reddit has screencaps even RS3 wiki of updates including Squeal of Fortune in his name

[@WhiteBuddha22]

These type of apologies always make me think about the South Park episode with the BP CEO saying “we’re sorry”

[@TonyC2328]

"Sorrrry." "We're sorry..."

[@serge263]

Exactly.

[@littlewigglemonster7691]

"opens nipples flaps"

[@Alm0stbrothers]

First thing that always crosses my mind haha.. also the one where the cable company guy rubs his nipples like "Uhuh, whacha gonna do about it?" Lol

[@ally4131]

This was my first thought of what to expect before even the first response

[@colinh9454]

Its crazy that on a game like OSRS where most of us have become hypersensitized to scams in any capacity, that Jagex would try to fucking scam us like we haven't been playing this game for like 10 years on and off.

[@dommyboysmith]

Well said 😂

[@citarius_ttv]

10 yrs? I mean for OSRS sure but total RS time, a lot of us are hitting over 20 yrs. The audacity for them to think any of this was ever a good idea and for them to make an excuse filled apology.

[@tylernihiser776]

yeah 21 here started when I was 6, my brother use to have to type my password in and when he was mad I wouldn't get off the PC he'd then hack me 🤣​@@citarius_ttv

[@SCUUZEM3]

Dawg!! Lmfaoo this is the truest truth ive ever read!!!

[@BeanTaco856]

​@citarius_ttv shit if i care to log into rs3 I always have the longest term veterans cape. These guys are absolute tool-bags trying this on this player base

[@asdfhsfdtehaed]

The entire "apology" is nothing but meaningless corpo-speak. They will 100% keep trying to push this bs.

[@Rated_xv]

Perfect example of what we call Damage Control

[@FullThrottleRacing535]

If they do push this they will regret it heavily, they have no idea about our playerbase lol

[@zwingler]

Well "they" is not Jagex, its CVC Capital Partners and Haveli Investments. Im very sure the Devs and coworkers at Jagex do not want this to happen.

[@Priest_Of_Zebak]

Yes, the survey at the end of last year made me realize all is over. Espically, when everyone was happy with having official private servers, the first thing I thought if is have fun paying for all these servers you want to play on.

[@giggysmalls5803]

feels like it is written bij chat gpt

[@ethanreynolds5087]

"but we will not be reducing AFK timers for any paid membership." So AFK timer shortening on F2P, is how I read this. They're telling us their plans, not apologizing.

[@MotivatedMan]

Well now it’s just the beginning of pay to win? It’s just worded differently. Essentially pay more and you get longer afk Time

[@xNSHD]

exactly the wording is very careful and has other ways that they can add these things to the game by the way it is written in the blog. my own comment goes over a few of them.

[@Jaguaist]

This is EXACTLY what that sentence is implying.

[@psymonthe2nd]

Jagex needs to realize the playerbase isn't uneducated children. They aren't fooling the players at all, and are showing their true intentions. Unrelenting greed destroys everything it touches, OSRS will be no exception.

[@dommyboysmith]

They also forget that on 3 seperate occasions nearly the entire player base quit playing. They make 10 million a month, and don't even have player support. They're just being greedy because they paid WAY too much and realized they made a mistake. You can't go from 89 a year to 360 a year and not expect people to be pissed. They're clearly hemorrhaging and getting desperate.

[@niriro5741]

Y'all have to stop acting like uneducated children then

[@VacantMinded]

@@niriro5741 Shill begone.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

@@niriro5741 Here's a cookie for saying something you thought was intelligent. 🍪

[@thefallencog]

I mean that just straight up isn't true. The redditors are the lowest common denominator and they often times decide how this goes. A little more sweet talking and Jagex can slide this by. They know it better then anyone.

[@ferrariramsgobrrr]

This "apology" features the following: - framing players as irrational and overly emotional - telling us we totally misunderstood them - they didn't really do anything wrong, the problem was that we got freaked out by it it's the same playbook as abusers

[@xNSHD]

yep i read it that way as well. came across as more "that survey had good intentions but you guys wrongly assumed it was for other purposes"

[@Jaguaist]

"I am sorry that you feel that way" type of apology lol

[@TheDoomerBlox]

Hello, I'm Louis Rossmann and welcome to 'Today in how you're getting effed' hope you're having a lovely day yaddah yaddah a Very Small Percentage of 'users' who are Confused as to What We're Saying never heard this one before!

[@Neodeleux]

THIS^. reminded me of an ex lol.

[@BBoysAndTrickers]

"It was just a prank chill bro"

[@KezzOSRS]

Jagex is like an abusive partner man - "baby I promise I'll change", but their actions continue to be deafening.

[@GnomonkeyRS]

LOOOOL fr

[@tazdavis95]

Meanwhile cvc buying jagex cover up makeup and a new Gucci bag. 🤣

[@kjax139]

And yet people keep staying…so it keeps happening. Just like abusive relationships

[@niriro5741]

They have literally taken 0 action one way of the other

[@freeyourmind790]

Facts 💯😂😂😂

[@くそくらえ-p3n]

i cannot believe some of us are actually accepting this. its a total non-apology where they dont walk anything back

[@glumreaper8885]

Who is accepting this? I haven't seen anyone trying to play devil's advocate or share a sense of relief.

[@gottago1885]

@@glumreaper8885I want them to have more money

[@joncjmc42]

Selling proper support and proper recovery features or even flaunting the idea of that is arguable the stupidest thing Jagex could attempt to poll or propose. It is already a massive pain point that streamers are the only ones who can get a proper ban appeal, pretty pathetic you propose the idea of paying to receive that same equal treatment. The PR walkback damage control blog post may as well just be deleted, pathetic.

[@lebowski6061]

It’s insane to see them just dangling the carrot. Goes to show that they could actually do it this whole time, but have chosen not to.

[@saxerpillar5128]

Hope people have backbone and see through this.

[@Lead1121]

This is 100% what they expected. This is how they do it. Give you extremely egregious changes, see the backlash they know will come, implement a "change" later on that is 90% less egregious than the proposed one after saying "sorry" and we all accept it. They will increase prices again, they will add different subscriptions soon but it wont be this crazy, still we will think it's a step in the right direction because "it's not as bad as it could have been". This is a tactic and they have done this many times in RS3. Welcome to the shit storm Osrs

[@lebowski6061]

And it’s up to us to make it clear to them that we won’t stand for it no matter when or how it happens

[@EMBIKES]

Jagex played all their cards. We know now they are perfectly capable of proper customer support etc, they just haven’t done it. So now we demand all the “features” they know are possible, and we won’t be paying more!

[@kjax139]

I find it hilarious they basically admitted they have the capability for many of these things and now know they just refused to do it. And now we just can demand to have these basic features implemented or leave. Clearly they had chatGPT write this.

[@GirlsLuvGummies]

They could use the excuse that the extra funds would go toward all that

[@nZoot]

This isnt the oldschool team. I bet they are screwing too. This smells like disconnected orders from the top of the pyramid 😂

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Who cares. No matter where it comes from, I'm not paying more money

[@boofhitter21]

@@thelegacyofgaming2928 this is what people needa think, even though the OSRS jmods are one of the best people to ever run an MMO, we need to stop supporting this, they’re sadly collateral

[@dilliondantin]

This practice is the same thing that Facebook is doing with their open implementation of AI profiles on their platforms. People are saying "Oh, nobody wants this! Who wants to interact with AI profiles on Instagram?" That's the point. The whole reason they are rolling out these accounts is to see at what points real people stop engaging, or begin engaging negatively, so that they can shape their greed models going forward. This survey is the exact same. The whole point was to see "ok, we put out 10 terrible ideas... Do any of them kind of go under the radar? Oh, people didn't seem to hate option 8 as much as the other 9? We got em. Option 8 is how we will squeeze them going forward"

[@Eliwood407]

Same thing happened during the star wars lootbox debacle. Throw out multiple outrageous updates that absolutely insult their player base, only to gain their favor back by deleting the worst changes. It's a trojan horse. We're going to end up with half those ideas "but at least we can breathe safely knowing they won't do the absolute worst ones!"

[@SnugNap]

"Were sorry YOU *felt* mislead"

[@OfficialDropRate]

I think jagex forgets that this game is where it is because of OUR DECISIONS.

[@SaidinRage]

Jagex forgot that literally 100% of the OSRS community has already quit RS forever once before lol

[@sti_clone3840]

This is only the start! Do not accept any of this!

[@charliez257]

Let's not ignore that pips was the lead of monetization at one point. His side stepping and politic point was polished long ago.

[@kjax139]

“We’re sorrrry” South Park

[@Thecelestial1]

".... Sowwwy"

[@Duke000999]

It's all I can think about while this has been going on

[@banginempire5724]

"Oh you want better tech support, that's gonna be extraaaa"

[@TheTundraTerror]

They're not sorry for what they did, they're sorry for getting caught.

[@AJ_Ol]

Not good enough. Until I get a confirmation with no corporate BS that there will never be ads for any paid members and that there will not be a tiered membership system I will not be renewing my subscription

[@mikewazowski4984]

same i also feel like grinding now is gonna be a waste if this a possibilty. unless we get a solid confirmation that is clear

[@CodedGames]

The only acceptable thing for them is to say "all those good things we mentioned, we are going to add all of them without any changes to membership costs"

[@Prime1309]

Ads are basically confirmed, in the other one it said ads wouldn't SIGNIFICANTLY affect gameplay, and here they say "yeah but only in F2P... for now"

[@mikewazowski4984]

i hate ads my f2p uim will not be played ever again.

[@ellaburky2778]

They also tried to deflect blame on us at the beginning. "We're sorry you interpreted the survey this way. It actually wasn't that at all..."

[@moe3120]

80% AI generated apology then he went onto start his 4 day weekend

[@Kidili91]

I just can't wrap my head around how a lot of people are ok with ads potentially coming into f2p, not only it's gonna make an already miserable experience that's f2p more miserable but once ads are in game there's no going back it can only expand to members worlds. I have a lot of empathy for f2p players because not everyone can afford membership right away, also I started as a f2p player 8+ years ago and became a member ever since and there's a good chance I wouldn't have stuck around if there were ads around at the time.

[@MTXY91]

They don't target f2p, its too low of a REAL player count. Maybe they, at most, want to farm fake impressions from bots on those ads. They are targeting a large group of players who are not paying for members, but are buying bonds for membership. They said UNPAID membership, not membership. Also, expect to get the usual 30min or 1 hour rotation of "Watch this 30 seconds ad for 50k coins".

[@hellointernet1307]

this was a bunch of nothing, they've now shown us they can in fact give us all of these things we want so we should be getting them at no additional costs now. Thats what we as players should expect. Not let them give this statement then pretend nothing happened.

[@hellointernet1307]

Also we can expect ads now btw, "We will not include in-game advertisements in any REGULAR paid membership." but when discussing afk timer: "we will not be reducing AFK timers for any paid membership." Also implies f2p will be getting reduced afk.

[@Linderus]

Gnome, what concerns me most is a second point in ads part. "We will not include in-game advertisements in any regular paid membership" this wording leaves A LOT of opportunities to push ads past F2P worlds, the most concerning example is bonded accounts.

[@GnomonkeyRS]

Exactly. This was crafted in a way to leave enough SQUIRM room for them if they go back to any of these topics

[@kjax139]

Bonds aren’t free though. You are paying for a bond either in game currency or irl. So f2p means freeeee. I don’t know why this game needs ads at all but greed be greed and if they somehow justify it in their own minds the it’s f2p that gets it. A membership account is a membership account no matter how you got it

[@anthonylarson6198]

​@@kjax139it depends on if they consider bonds a "regular" paid membership. It gives them wiggle room so down the line they can say certain memberships aren't "regular" paid memberships. It also still leaves open the option of adding an ad supported tier because it's not a regular paid membership, it's an ad supported paid membership.

[@TearThatRedFlagDown]

Those are what we call corporate weasel words.

[@TheIcecreamtaco]

“We’re sorry for offering armor trimming services despite knowing full well it is impossible in game”

[@zentryx32]

i love the "not in paid membership" so instead of "Hey u like our F2P quest skills and world? then get a membership for 100 times the content" to the new "Hey u hate the adds, 10 seconds afk, and low account security? then pay more for the things we removed"

[@stephenm707]

How are they taking away account security from f2p players, they never had it to begin with.

[@anorangewithacapybaraunder2370]

"Sorry we got caught lackin, but we're going to bring this back up in future until you're numb to it and just accept it when we implement it"

[@voidous7019]

It's almost as if they've forgotten why OSRS exists in the first place. Left to their own devices, Jagex will fuck up every iteration of RuneScape every god damn time. Thank god we're vocal and don't put up with this shit anymore. Good job lads.

[@COWHATE]

"Hey, we we're planning to do these things out in the open, but we heard you. We're going to slow these discussions down a bit and do them behind closed doors now. We value your input, and we look forward to serving you these features anyway in the future."

[@theMFinhod]

I cancelled my membership yesterday, that I had active since February 2009. Feb 2009 > Jan 2025. 16 years, I was paying like $6CAD/month, but I doubt I'll ever come back. As soon as a company starts acting the way they have, it's over. The light is there at the end of the tunnel. I've been through this with Magic The Gathering, which if anyone else plays, you know what I'm talking about with FIRE design from 2019. Good video, hang in there. I'd hate to be a content creator and seeing the writing on the wall.

[@Aeryen_]

Killing it with the uploads keep it up king

[@mathewatkinson1001]

I'm so glad you spoke about account recovery. The process for recovering an account is fucking shameful. There should have already been a concrete way to get your account back - it's literally years of work for most people.

[@colton6154]

This feels like a "I'm sorry your feelings got hurt" as opposed to a "im sorry I hurt your feelings" type apology.

[@TheNamesLamar]

They just baited us with improved account security and it doesn't feel like this is getting enough attention. Like, no way they just offered to paywall industry standard practices....... 🤨

[@dilliondantin]

My brother in Guthix, I may disagree with you on some things. But good Lord are you so damned based on others THANK YOU This is NOT an apology. They asked if they could hit us with a hammer, and when we said no, they said "ok ok mb, but maybe next week we will ask if we can stomp on your foot?"

[@glumreaper8885]

We may see things differently when it comes to the best ways to design a fun game experience but we all agree that the class overlords have GOT to go

[@crashtails]

Don't say "ok ads in f2p, ok fine". That's how they start to boil frogs.....

[@ThePopeSquad]

"you saw as alarming possibilities"? No, you presented alarming possibilities. This apology is unbelievably insulting and tone deaf.

[@Blue-pk9dp]

This is the armour trimming of apologies...

[@Thepenitent88]

Everyone quit and demand 7.99 a month membership

[@OfficialDropRate]

I bet 90% of the dev team knew this survey was a bad idea but were afraid to say something

[@HavocParadox]

Its a "were sorry" south park meme.

[@billyvonbean]

"we are sorry we showed our hand too early, we shouldnt have given you the chance to get out before we got your money."

[@WhiTiger]

This comes across as, "I'm so sorry that you're mad. Next time we'll be more sneaky and weasel the changes we want in a way that makes you think they aren't so horrible."

[@hempdjuez]

Cancelled my yearly membership renewal on my main character just because of this and I most likely won't go back to this in the future until I see a more proper plan for the future

[@baddksounds8172]

The fact that they even posted this moronic survey in the first place shows they wanted to see what they could get away with. It’s absolutely insane. I expected a shallow apology like this. I do not buy for a second that this was just for “research” and to “generate discussion”. It’s crazy that they had the highest all time player count and wanted even more money squeezed out of people.

[@PoorSharkie]

The community has to take a coordinated break from the game to show the ability for the player count to tank. I understand some people are cancelling memberships, im still locked in at 5.95/mo so i dont want to pay more to resubscribe, but this update is so upsetting for the direction of the game. I worry that if the player count remains high and people think "oh theres no way that jagex would actually go through with that" and continue to play as usual, that the higher ups at jagex would only see like a 5% drop in subscriptions and deem it being a vocal minority and actually go through with it, exactly how it went down with EoC. Everybody that couldnt believe eoc was in beta and laughed at it didnt even log in to th3 beta cause they thought it was a joke. But the only people that actually played it and left feedback that caused it to be skewed as a 'good beta' and here we are again... The community should organize a strike day of some sort where nobody streams or logs in to show some sort of protest and actual commitment.

[@gunnerz456]

so you're suggesting a boycott but keeping your membership, got it.

[@PoorSharkie]

@@gunnerz456 no, its a strike... when you strike at your job, you dont quit your job after the strike is over. You put everything on hold to show you have numbers and support. If they go through with the stupid membership tiers i'll cancel mine and find something else.

[@cmcdonald194]

​@@PoorSharkie Strikes only work when there's no end date set for the strike.

[@PoorSharkie]

@cmcdonald194 what do you suggest the community can do to send a message then?

[@kylbarry4466]

@@PoorSharkie cancel members

[@NVS_Videos]

This apology is just them saying ads are coming to F2P and we won’t be doing anything else we mentioned, yet :) That player support is not improving

[@aurigold]

CVC bout to go down like the south tower

[@FishyRaverist]

The "ads in F2P" is a holdover from back when the game was still Browser-only. That being said, Jagex grossly overstepped their boundaries and have helped me come to the conclusion that continuing to support them after so many lies is a fool's errand.

[@Miller_637]

inb4 they don't consider a bonded character a "paid membership"

[@milii113]

On the money here, I can guarantee the reason they want to do a tiered thing is to make bonds only redeem for the lowest tier, which would probably be unplayable

[@Flokey_2]

Thank you @Gnomonkey for speaking up for so many of us! 👏 This situation is truly unacceptable

[@TheJaultman]

The language used is so sneaky, slimy and insincere. "What was intended as [...] exploring a range of ideas, you saw as alarming possibilities that APPEARED to threaten the integrity of the game..." Nah, these are alarming possibilities that DO threaten the integrity of the game. This feels like such a "I'm sorry that YOU feel that way" post. Not buying it.

[@tehpanda64]

Friendly reminder that while WoW has not increased their subscription price for over 20 years, Run Escape's subscription price has practically more than doubled.

[@ImWalnuts]

we don’t own our accounts. they are owned by a private equity firm that will look to monetize our emotional connections to them in any way possible if not now then later. your account isn’t yours- it’s just another way, such as healthcare, housing, social media, etc. that you can be monetized. this is the most depressing realization of all to me

[@ItsKungamer]

All I got from reading the blog myself was: "We're sorry you caught us. We're still putting ads and reduced AFK timers in F2P tho."

[@catzfive]

I see a bunch of people on X saying "we will accept your apology if you remove sailing". fuck that, double down and cancel your memberships, I don't even play anymore and this is just absurd, they are killing the game.

[@BoHorn]

Sailing haters are something else man

[@kjax139]

Hilarious.

[@lunaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

@@BoHorn i read bro's comment and thought it mustve went live without me noticing somehow if people were so pissed about it. Nope LMAO

[@BoHorn]

@@lunaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa asking for it to be deleted before even trying it out lol actually crazy

[@SaidinRage]

@@BoHorn asking for the game to not be ruined before it's ruined isn't crazy lol

[@tustinbear5831]

i think ironman mode should be the default membership option and you have to unlock the GE as a feature with a more expensvie membership. they can even lock the buy slots and bank space behind membership tiers. remember jagex is a small indie company and they need to pay their bills too!

[@jamescasimir726]

Not only that, they should include mistaltian and falador as “base” regions, and you should pay to unlock the others. And items above rune? Those are unnecessary, paywall those too

[@HiMyNameIsChadd]

Jagex makes nearly £200m a year, I'm sure they can pay their bills just fine. your idea is terrible

[@burntfish123]

​@@HiMyNameIsChadd the comment was sarcasm

[@boofhitter21]

@@HiMyNameIsChaddsomeone couldn’t unlock the GE for 24.99

[@tp8025]

F2P Ads and 100% quitting. They forget the player base is 25 -40 yrs old it's not like their bringing in young players lets face it this is pure love and loyalty and they mess that up we leave they can close shop. NO ADS IN OSRS PERIOD! regardless F2P or P2P the F2P community is strong and would leave for sure. CEO should be fired for this FAKE APOLOGY! I have no issue to pay to get the ads out and remain F2P. Don't force me to have adds! Anyone that says F2P doesn't matter or have a vote is a clown.. Once they see how much more money their making THEY WILL EFFECT P2P AS WELL THEY JUST WANT MONEY.

[@ulaeie7457]

Hope jagex keeps making poor decisions so we keep getting these yap videos 🙏

[@MrFelkuro]

I took a note to the "any paid subscription provides access to the full suite of CORE game content", that could mean that the project zanaris will still be an extra payment.

[@anthonylarson6198]

Honestly they could monetize project zanaris in a way that most would be happy with, but it would be harder after this disaster. Other games have successful models around private servers. Minecraft has realms, battlefield used to rent out servers, etc. The main thing is now that they dug a hole, and decided to keep digging, people will be super sensitive to any additional monetization.

[@carlwei]

12:15 It's impossible to get support now for sure. You just can't Contact Customer Support for Cancellations now. They've literally disabled it. If you go to the Cancellations page then attempt to do so: the form doesn't load and you end up with a blank page.

[@yeah1168]

One time payment offer? Nah, just the same old monthly subscription model but with the price jacked up to half the price of AAA games. Pigs.

[@fabiopauli420]

Jagex: We have played these games before I said we have PLAYED these Games BEFORE.

[@SuperTravis5000]

Bottom line. If you love RuneScape, you need to quit immediately, or you will lose something you hold dearly.

[@DynastyTragdyzZ]

Person who wrote that article has a Narcissistic personality 😂

[@TearThatRedFlagDown]

CEOs tend to be narcissists, Machiavellians or psychopaths so that does not surprise me in the slightest.

[@Titi-oh]

The thing that makes this so alarming is that they just raised the price a few months ago which okay was due to “inflation” but this survey just doesn’t inspire any confidence in the games future, are they that lacking in confidence in sailing and all the updates they have planned?? Should I be worried? Why did they feel like this was remotely a smart idea, at all. It’s just mind boggling.

[@SaidinRage]

Nobody fucking wants sailing, they should be worried. Sailing only passed the poll because they lowered the % to pass polls THE UPDATE BEFORE POLLING sailing, and it wouldn't have met the threshold before. This last leagues had (i'm pretty sure) the highest player count in OSRS history, and they just raised the prices from like $80-$100 a year in Sept

[@all_thescience]

Actually wild they are trying to play this off as "unfiltered research mode" with what they were proposing. I don't doubt for a second that some of those unfiltered ideas would have absolutely made it into the game if they didn't get as much immediate and vehement push back that they did. Because why else would it be in the survey if not to test the waters with what they can get away with?

[@Immortal_coil4]

I've already kicked both launchers from my desktop. They've ignored sub communities within osrs for years & now they are broadening their negligence to the wider community. What an embarrassment, they lack creativity in their updates, gas light the community & manipulate polls constantly.. osrs isn't truly created by the players especially when they ignore large segments of their player base ALL OF THE TIME!

[@MachigaMMO]

It’s like 20% apology and 80% saying they’re still going to do this again in future proposals. There shouldn’t be any proposals. That is the point. Get it through your head Jagex. These are dead ideas. The proposal should be give me better customer support and I still pay you.

[@XQwayne]

Ads in f2p? This is a way to slowly roll it out into p2p, watch

[@TomEmberly]

Lmao linking the post saying "fake apology" is hilarious, but facts tho

[@LilratbagsOsrs]

Imagine doing this kind of nonsense to RS3 for 12 years, destroying it and thinking that alone isn't enough of a survey

[@10onpump5]

‘The mere mention’ As if they proposed decreasing the drop rate of feathers from chickens.

[@BilliamJoyBoy]

I went f2p because I couldn’t afford to be a member and support my family… if you ruin f2p why would I stay?

[@coneris]

1. What is "core game experience"? Saying that they won't make anything there P2W without defining what that is gives too much wiggle room. 2. Player Support. It's crazy how every time this comes up they always have something in progress yet we haven't seen anything in years. 3. They still haven't said that they aren't doing any of these things. There's still no actionable plan or definitive line of what is or is not happening. My sub is still cancelled. It expires in a few months. I will not be renewing if this is the best response they have.

[@VinesEG.]

Rigorous and range are in the same sentence, which seems intentional... seems like they wanna manipulate.

[@brandonnazelrodt2819]

Ive gained more respect for you gnomemonkey, standing up and speaking loud and clear. Thank you for not glazing jagex updates good and bad

[@GnomonkeyRS]

I got my own ego to fuel, I don't need to feed Jagex's

[@dimitriharelik3677]

Sadly, we will have to quit again. I am one of the first ones to take this opportunity. They basically have a whole plan for this process.

[@discreet6951]

If “bite a pillow, I’m coming in dry” was a company 😂

[@Bigolegeneralkg]

No one talking about the "Mobile-only access" ?? That shit is fucking wild they would even consider restricting it to that. Jagex is still not taking accountability for fucking up. They keep apologizing and are essentially gaslighting us into believing their bullshit. The idea behind it was simple they want to extract more money from us and when it backfired they just say "sorry, we hope you forgive us". Hopefully people are smart enough to not just forget this and let it go. They need to FIRMLY admit that it was just straightup wrong to ask this bullshit. They keep hiding behind the farce that they didn't know it would turn out like this.

[@deeznuttes9340]

oh people are talking about it too.

[@stephenm707]

Mobile only is probably the only thing on there that isn’t ridiculous. Theres a bunch of people that only play mobile out of choice not because of some self restricted account but because they just play very casually. Theres probably also a bunch of very casual players that dont use any plugins, the first year or two I played I preferred the java client over osbuddy. Its basically a discount for people who already play with those “restrictions.” The team that put together this pitch are idiots for calling it restricted memebership instead of just calling it a discount for casual players. Its crazy how who ever signed off on this whole thing didnt think that the “choices” they put out werent ridiculously confusing on top of being a slap in the face with the whole +30$ a month for basic account security.

[@vzdragon]

no ones talking about it because its the most sane one there. a mobile only or PC only option for those that play on one that is cheaper isn't a bad idea like the others proposed

[@kjax139]

There are many mobile only players so I get listing that as an option for those people. It’s not forcing everyone to do mobile only…..

[@TheDarkZeroGame]

This is like if jagex was a person in a relationship and to "help strengthen and grow the relationship" asked, "What if I just straight out cheated on you. And anything I already gave you, you'll need to give me something in return for. BUT in return, I will also listen and care more for you than before." Then wonder why the person left them after just asking those raw and unfiltered questions. "Come on, it was to strengthen the relationship, I was in strengthening mindset. Searching and prodding those tough questions."

[@jadenrldavis]

Hey GM, been watching you on and off for a year now and I just wanted to say I really do enjoy these rant videos on the game. Guides are nice but being able to hear you voice genuine opinions rather than light hearted banter is really entertaining. Keep it up, I hope your voice is heard when it comes to this greedy situation from Jagex.

[@droctogonapuss2191]

They really underestimate us if this is the best they can come up with in response to our outrage. I don't have faith in them at all right now, and I would rather quit the game I love than fall victim to their predatory schemes.

[@onfik]

Man I think jagex should "apologize" by: 1. Giving all existing members 3 free months 2. Giving all new coming members 80% off for the first 3 months 3. Giving all of us a a 25m stack in the bank (lol jk) But the first 2 yea And as well as saying full out - "ok yea we fked up this is on us we were greedy and tried to slum more money out of you with Giving zero tangible value back to the player

[@alvatrous]

also lets remember it's not one bad pvp update that will kill this game. it's this kinda shit. stay focused. push back real hard.

[@raelyndelmonte608]

If i ever see an ad while playing runescape I will quit then and there. Jagex has forgotten the blessing they have that is OSRS

[@OldG-t3u]

Introduce large shock value disagreeable options at the beginning, followed by an apology, and then partial implementation of the original proposal. Seen it in multiple other video games. If this isn't met with 100% rejection from every player, portions of this will still end up in your game. Seriously, do not take this sort of thing lightly, do not take this laying down.

[@ethannieves8201]

We need people to continue with the follow-through to say that the "Lesser changes" aren't okay either. Jagex is not holding up their end of their current Membership deal already - They can't get away with changing the price again.

[@JD-iz9fr]

They already messed up i already quit

[@zacharywinters3845]

The people that just bought this company I don’t think they realize nearly most of the people that played the game quit when eoc came out. I got no problem quitting again for years if I ever play again. And that’s kind of alarming how the dude said that people are OK with this. How the fuck are you OK with paying for a membership and then having ads like what the fuck are you dumb? Paying for account security and support?? Like wtf..

[@YehImLeo]

Jagex is somehow unaware we all grew up playing this game and know what a scam is, they're not armour trimming me with this weak ass "apology".

[@YAMMAMMA]

Honestly, this was all just a seed for an imminent future and i think a lot of people were waiting for something like this to finally break free from this time suck. Streamers and content creators need the people to be hooked in order to pay the bills. Wake up brothers and sisters.

[@BornSenior]

Customer service and account security paywall sounds like a great plan, im willing to pay -5 a months for all those years we should have had those already

[@steamhearteyes]

Gnomonkey somehow looking even more like a middle aged lesbian than before. Great job

[@GnomonkeyRS]

Thanks!

[@tazdavis95]

Simply put i think we all need to band together and ask for an apology from the CVC. Its not fair to throw jagex and its mods under the bus for their decisions and especially mod pip. Getting that appology would show the cvc that the players run this game not jagex and they need to be reminded!!

[@MetalGearSalad]

Most OSRS players have been hurt before (EOC). We're now cautious...

[@lunaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

to be fair they pull this stunt every year and the game is still more popular and better than its ever been before; people will forget about this outrage like they forgot about the price hike last year and the RS3 battle pass before that etc