Do Not Lift Your 4Runner ... Overland Build Recommended Geometry Fix - Do Not Lift Without This

[@MG2577]

Don't tighten the bushing bolt until you are sitting at ride hight. You will wear the bushing out prematurely twisting it too much. Never tighten bushing bolts until the suspension is sitting at ride hight. I see so many people skipping that step.

[@johnanderson7485]

would it be bad to do this process with the vehicle sitting on the ground under weight?

[@MG2577]

@@johnanderson7485 That's the way to do it. Sitting at ride hight.

[@wbwills2]

I Dk the answer BUT ..the devil is in the details.that is a fact ,Jackson!

[@MG2577]

@@wbwills2 ....say what?

[@SimplyThinkDreams]

It doesn’t matter if using bushings that are not bonded to the inner sleeve.

[@jel517]

I have no plans for lifting my 4runner. That said this is a GREAT video, right to the point, diagrams, slow direct instructions, and light humor. it has it all.

[@coopnhtown]

I'm watching it and don't even own an offroad vehicle HA I build cars but I really enjoy the content!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Thank you Aaron

[@RoanokeGaming]

Lol I lifted my 4runner 3 inches, she looks pretty cool! This is fantastic advise on this. I had no idea, thank you for the video

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Trying to share what I learn in the school of hard knocks 🙌

[@benkoch7593]

Dude! Follow your channel and bought a 4Runner partly because of your praises for it.

[@Chubbydippin]

Love the banter between you two brothers. It's always the perfect mix of valuable insight mixed with dry sibling pokes and 'jabbery' at each other. It would be just a compelling to watch you two going back and forth on picking out which socks are best to buy and why. Or better yet, I could see a segment where you two go to the barbershop. You could call it "Haired Down." Thanks for sharing guys.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

😂 thank you

[@michaelhanzal]

I don't plan to lift my 2024 4Runner ORP anytime soon, but thanks for making this video. It's very informative! I'm very happy with how well the stock 4Runner rides, much much better than the 2022 Tacoma I traded in.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

I hear ya. Lifting is something I due to meet a need, not looks. I think a stock 4Runner looks, and drives, amazing. Congrats on your 2024 🤙

[@jasonmacneil2256]

This is very cool of you to do this video!! Thank you, from someone who is looking to eventually lift their 4 runner safely!!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Very happy you enjoyed it Jason 🙌

[@adventurelifesam9357]

Great video. I suspect a lot of folks miss important steps like this when lifting their 4runners.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

They sure do!

[@s.wvazim6517]

​@@aired-downoverland9239hi there were did you get your correction brackets from

[@MatchEmUp_Outdoors]

​@@aired-downoverland9239 question, I have not done the suspension on my 1992 toyota 4runner, but looking at it, the lift has a drop bracket for the pan hard bar on the right side instead of a bracket raising it up on the left side, would this be incorrectly done then? Also my shocks are behind the springs are these done wrong as well, because I see yours are in front of your springs?

[@Garcias_garage724]

2 weeks later I got it all installed and WOW! I didn’t even realize it drove so iffy before. It’s a must do in my opinion. Really made the rear end feel tight to the frame of that makes sense. Great video

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Thanks Garcia, I totally agree 🙌

[@juliuscafe]

where i can get this kit? what the name?

[@Garcias_garage724]

@juliuscafe it's a panhard correction kit they have bolt on or weld on options. I can't remember where i got mine but I went with weld on

[@musgumeal]

No plan to life mine, but I stayed to watch the whole video anyway. Well done, and now I know. Thank you!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Thanks for checking it out 🙌

[@BigBluePile]

PCKs have been around forever. Most people have no idea this is even an issue and don't do it because you have to weld it in. DRKDSS makes fabulous engineered components. This bolt-in kit is a no brainer.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

SPOT ON BBP! 🙌

[@christophersmith9963]

Just wish we had a bolt on PCK for 3rd gen 4runners. Only one I've found is a weld on and I don't weld (yet).

[@aired-downoverland9239]

@@christophersmith9963 Yeah, I hear ya. You should send an email to drkdss.com and see if he’s working on one.

[@BigBluePile]

@@christophersmith9963 one day maybe, unfortunately, it's not just a signal unit bolt on design since both ends of the panhard have to be moved.

[@taylorasbell7074]

Where can I find this exact kit?

[@CaptainSkidmark74]

Bought a 3rd gen 4runner that had been lifted by previous owner.... I noticed the rear shimmy right away, added a Sonoran Steel adjustable panhard and it made a huge difference.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

That’s awesome. Keep in mind an adjustable panhard, like yours and mine, will help center the axle but won’t correct the geometry issues caused by a panhard with an angle between the axle and frame. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@off-roadingexplained8417]

Bumpsteer, roll steer and wheel hop are all worse with solid axles compared to independent suspension. These are among the dozens of things that independent suspension helps to correct. The other thing about that panhard bar not being level is that your axle is moved to the right and will no longer be centered under your vehicle. The panhard rod helps keep it centered but it does move through an arc .

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Absolutely. The most unsettling bumpsteer is the one that hits at 75 mph on the freeway 😳. It’s an eye opener.

[@tokvr]

I installed some bigger OME springs in the rear on my '97 4runner and always wondered why my rear end felt wonky. Looking into lifting my 5th gen and wont make the same mistake. Thanks for the insight!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Life is filled with, “I wish I knew that before I…” 😄🙌

[@TwistedJake]

Great video. Ironically it was when building my bagged minitruck suspension that I learned about the importance of long arms and the angles on everything. All the same basic principals no matter if lifting or lowering.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

You’re spot on Jake. A lot of shops and lift mfrs don’t tell you about geometry correction, bump stop extensions, or the CRITICAL extended break lines. 🙌

[@OverlandPNW]

Great video! There is a very noticeable difference in vehicle stability after doing a panhard correction. I saw a rig with a broken panhard bar once and it was like watching a cartoon car. The caboose of that rig was like a slinky ha ha! The white paint was a good pro tip!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Thanks OPNW, great rig BTW

[@TrailTape]

@@aired-downoverland9239 I find the lack of brotherly-snark in this comment thread disgusting.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

@@TrailTape I AGREE! He’s acting all business like; he’s being a turd blossom. In fact he edited this video and took out all my slams. Did you notice it’s his rig we’re working on 😄

[@OverlandPNW]

@@TrailTape Best comment ever! I laughed out loud!

[@evil_twit]

My 4Runner never had a panhard. Probably best to leave it of instead of at a weird angle. 😊 II also removed the front stabilizer cause it was falling off. Drives like always.

[@Skybusdriver]

Scared me brother, literally purchased my suspension kit last night before seeing this video 😂 but I’ve got the pan hard correction kit added to the order, thanks for the awesome info!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Just trying to help the awesome off-roading community 🙌

[@Eagle031265]

That's an easy way to explain why you see some vehicles distorted to a side or another after the owner lifted up. Tks and cheers from Costa Rica.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Thanks 🙏

[@Seattle808]

I can absolutely vouch for this, once I got my PCK it was like night and day difference, all the sudden it handles like it’s on rails again

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Thanks for dropping the comment Seattle808, and very happy to hear your experience matches my own. 🙌

[@rob4f258]

Hey, great video! Definitely useful information. Where did you buy the panhard correction bracket? Wasn't able to find that exact on online. Please help 😅

[@skidplatedamaged]

Perfect instructions ! It took me less than an hour. Thank you. It was super helpful to go through the required tools at the beginning.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Happy it was helpful 🙌

[@SolRayz]

Actually this finally explains why I have some bump steer on my RC crawler. My pan hard rod is almost 45 degree angle. Thanks!.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Glad it helped

[@scottalpine]

Really nice job explaining the why’s and the how’s of doing that install. I was also impressed with how you can see the numbers on the torque wrench while still wearing your glasses.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

If I squint I can just make out the torque wrench numbers 😄. Thx for the kind words. 👍🏻

[@randydarling7725]

Great video and a very overlooked fix. PCKs should be standard with lift kits in my opinion. I do question if the PCK should have been torqued with the vehicle in the air though. Shouldn’t it be tightened with the vehicle on the ground at normal ride height so the bushing doesn’t get distorted like you would do for control arms?

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Torque on the ground, full load, is always best. I do it in the air because I have a lift and it’s way easier to video…and I hate rolling around on the ground to wrench on my rig. Marking the hardware with a paint pen is standard for me, and I don’t think I’ve ever had something I torque loosen up. That said, you’re still spot on, always best done on the ground.

[@drkdss8742]

Should be torque on the ground for the main trac bar bolt only if you have oem/ stock style bushing which are designed for oem range of motion as it will deflect. Poly bushings and Heim joints can be torque down any where.

[@Doomzdayxx]

"I like air impact tools, they sound cool...fun to use..." This statement alone made me subscribe 😅

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Haaa, thx 🙏 🙌

[@utubetjc]

2023 TRD ORP with KDSS. Mine handles great, very little off road so far with 1200 miles but a marked improvement over my 2016 SR5 Premium. I'll keep the OEM suspension . Thanks for your overview.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Congrats on the 2023 🙌

[@exceleratorjoshua]

I have a 3rd gen 02 4 runner that's lifted 2.3 inches in front and 2 inches in back. Never looked at this before but haven't had issues. I did however change the front bushings on sway bar/steering rack and man steering is awesome tight and responsive.

[@ddemier]

What exact suspenion lift did you get? I have a 2002 Toyota 4runner 2wd that I want to lift. Seems all the lifts are 3inch lift.

[@exceleratorjoshua]

Bilstein 5100 both front and back. Front is adjustable height. You could actually go 2.5 adjustable height in front and 2 inch back. I have medium duty springs in the back old man EMU the back never really sags even when loaded.

[@mnmseglo]

Bro, Love the Props and penmanship. Extremely Educational.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Thanks! It’s just me trying to trying to help the off-roading community 🙌

[@mikew7218]

He didn't mention you'll need a stall lift for us old farts 😂

[@Don-md6wn]

You had me at "Do Not Lift Your 4Runner". I don't see the point of it for normal people. A stock 4Runner is probably more capable off road than most drivers. I've recently bought a one owner 2018 4Runner Limited and I'm adding some safety equipment to it - rock sliders to replace the running boards it came with, and a set of 3 skid plates to protect the engine, transfer case and transmission - for when I'm driving it off road. The original owner never took it off road. I can't find a compelling reason to spend a bunch of money on a lift to replace a suspension system that isn't broken and to replace perfectly good rims and tires with ones that are slightly bigger. If my X-Reas suspension system develops a leak, as they're prone to do, I'll delete it and replace it with conventional shocks, but I still need to see a good reason to lift the vehicle when I change the suspension. The vehicle is already top heavy enough without lifting it higher in hopes of gaining a tiny bit of ground clearance and bringing all kinds of other potential issues into play. I'm more interested in having a vehicle that's reliable and functional than cool looking. I bought the 4Runner because I want to be able to get to more places that require high clearance 4WD, but the reality is it is still going to be driven on pavement 90% of the time. If there are compromises to be made, I'll make them off road with the 10%.

[@cgmiller82]

"That's what she said.".... so many times. Great video!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

😂 right! 🙌

[@ssarkees]

I love the admission: "I like the air impact wrenches. They sound cool and they're fun to use." TRUE! haha

[@aired-downoverland9239]

RIGHT?! I’ve always loved them and think I always will, even though modern battery tools kick butt 🙌

[@misternaem2103]

After having installed OME springs and billsteins about 2 years ago, I now find this video 🥲. Great video though. I now know why I always feel like my vehicle feels so weird. Out of the hundreds of videos I watched about aftermarket suspension and coils, I never saw a video talk about this!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Dang, I feel your pain; sorry man. Check out their website drkdss.com and get yourself set up. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@rogueyota]

That was excellent. I’ve been wondering about this issue ever since I completed my lift.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Drkdss did us all a solid by creating this (No, I’m not sponsored); worth the money

[@StubProductions]

There is nothing wrong with lifting a 4Runner (4th gen and 5th gen) 2” in front and 1.5” in rear. The stock suspension height is way too low in front. I recommend a 2” spring preload spacer in front from Toytec. And a 1.5” coil spacer for rear from Toytec. This corrects vehicles ride height and sets suspension where it should be.

[@Don-md6wn]

Sets suspension where it should be, because the Toyota engineers were too dumb to put the suspension of one of their most long lasting vehicles in the right place?

[@StubProductions]

@@Don-md6wn It’s set low to reduce aerodynamic drag in order to increase fuel economy and lower center of gravity for reduced roll over risk. As I said there is nothing wrong with a moderate lift. It also significantly improves appearance.

[@DaveV-jr4mx]

Yah, the front end tends to sag with age so 2" seems to put it back to normal. I did .75 and 1.5" in the back. At 3" in the front, it didn't handle quite right though, the steering seemed too twitchy.

[@StubProductions]

@@DaveV-jr4mx yeah 3” is a little high. I think the upper control arm has to be replaced with aftermarket so caster angle can be set correctly. And at that point I draw the line because reliable Toyota parts are replaced with aftermarket with question quality and engineering. 2” is a good set point for the front

[@StubProductions]

@@Greghook The spacers I’m talking about are made by ToyTec and preload the springs by a set amount providing lift. The vehicle still rides like stock and benefits from better ride height. As I said above they are must have and work excellent. They are no different in function than an adjustable coil over…except you only have one setting.

[@1999tacotrd]

Lifted my 97 6" 3bdy 3 supsn. Never knew this. I know it definitely was all over the place!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Yeah, they tend to get squirrelly when you lift them. Too bad few of the lift mfrs provide the needed parts to keep geometry and road manners in check.

[@wbwills2]

I don’t do the rocky trail hobby but have been driving a 96 4Runner since 98. have some other Toyota cars too. All OEM,follow the owners manual for maintenance & DIY whenever possible. Great truck. Goes like a goat when I do occasionally get into an off-road situation of any kind.loose gravel in the blue ridge mtns. It’s impressed since I got it. Family mountain trip this summer,heading down the mountain for some things & one of those rods had rusted out from the inside. Had just come out of a hairpin curve and R front tire broke off .tire/rim sat down nicely between the frame and the road so I was able to ride it slowly so I could be equal distance between 2 tight curves .Safest spot to stop,no place to get out of the road. Had to pretty much wing it with a recommended shop in the area & # 2 shop was able to fit me in & Finnish up with time to spare before the week vacation was over. Parts..had to go with what was available & was having the conversation on the phone. Early on a Saturday. Monday morning,mechanic called and said ready to go.was telling me what he’d done (found a couple small things that needed to be done when he got into it,so he read the parts list & explained.BUT ..Somehow,he’d done work on the RF only.We’d agreed on doing quite a bit more .work/parts for entire front not 1/2.still had time and he apologized ect. Was a good mechanic but needed a vacation of his own. He said he’d get back after it. ABS has been discontinued for the time being,there was a slight difference on a couple things on drivers side but it was ok. That was September.it started acting up last week. Appointment with my regular guy tomorrow at 9. If I were into this type of stuff. I d make sure to do my research..Reengineering stuff like Toyota trucks can get tricky I’d bet. One wrong decision could derail a project at some point down the line I suspect. Force you back to the starting point depending on what the situation is .?. I’m happy with my mechanic these days. He knows Toyotas but works on some other things. Last mechanic (my 1st Toyota mechanic was all Toyota,all the time. Aged out back in my 22R days)Anyway,said to my current guy (6-7 years now) “Would have been nice if my father had been a mechanic ,taught me,& I knew how to do all of my own work . He was a salesman..”Tim responded..”My dad was a carpenter and smiled “I thought that was hilarious. I might have even LOL’d a little,don’t recall but left it at that. Tomorrow morning we shall pick up that conversation again. Dk how it’ll go tomorrow, I don’t think it’s going to be TOO painful. Might’ve been something as simple as a dab of special sauce was forgotten. Somewhere in the 2/3rds of the job my emergency mechanic ,that’s 300 + miles away from here,had forgotten to do. Time tells all tales..take care & enjoy.

[@roybatty-]

Kept my FJ bone stock. Love it.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

It should always come down to what your intended use for your vehicle is. A stick rig won’t get where mine will. A more built rig will get further than mine, etc. I think people should start with a plan in mind of what they’ll be doing with their rig.

[@jordangaribaldo2440]

Hello sorry I might’ve missed it but what kit did you buy or what brand is it? Thank you!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

The manufacturer’s site is drkdss.com 👍🏻

[@rommelrivera1186]

Great video! Thank you. I wonder if the vehicle is designed to handle angle fluctuations in the bar. This can happen for many reasons. A heavy item placed on either side of the vehicle... a heavy passenger riding in a back seat... I wonder.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

The short answer is yes, but you want to start from zero. Thx for watching 🙌

[@edwinmedina4338]

Going to look into this, I have an 02 3rd gen 4runner with a 2.5 lift and my VSC and VSC Trac off light now on. I'll be checking my abs wires and sensors too

[@aired-downoverland9239]

I think that’s the right approach, the wires and sensors are small. Hope you find the culprit. 🙌

[@--RSL--]

Sweet thx! I need to do mine, i can definitely feel a shimmy if i go over a sharp dip in the street. 👍 Ordered

[@aired-downoverland9239]

You’ll notice an immediate difference, and I personally love an easy install. 🙌

[@--RSL--]

@@aired-downoverland9239 man you weren’t kidding. I noticed immediately, just installed it. Before the correction kit the steering felt SO light and I noticed that after the 3in lift but didn’t think anything of it until i hit that first dip and the steering went bonkers. This makes it feel factory again for sure. Money well spent.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

@@--RSL-- OUTSTANDING! I love hearing that. 🙌

[@victorquincanon4933]

Thankyou! Just bought a lifted '21 and it was done right. (I just checked)

[@aired-downoverland9239]

So awesome to hear that. Do it once, do it right 🙌

[@techiemarksman]

I recently lifted my 4runner 2inch in front and 1 inch in the rear. Do I have to this? thanks! Great informational video!

[@vorsol1994]

Great call, thanks. Ordered the fix. Installing asap.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

It’s a super easy install. Don’t forget to double torque. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@Dansal1980]

This was a very informative video…I just bought a 4ROR a few weeks ago and am looking to upgrade suspension and tires and would have overlooked this important step, so thank you!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Glad it helped 🙌

[@mattomlinson8759]

My GX470 has been raised just slightly (2" in the front, 1" in the back) - not sure if that's enough of a difference to be a major culprit in my bump steer issue, but I definitely have it, but this is the first time I've heard anyone make a correlation between the symptom and the panhard bar - very interested in seeing if an angle correction bracket will help. Had thought it was more of an issue in front end suspension geometry (somewhat corrected by more camber in the alignment), but if this helps, I'm in! LOL! Thanks for the video!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

The easiest way to check is to check your panhard while on level ground. If it sits at an angle, it’s a possible culprit. Based on the comments, this has helped a lot of people get rid of the rear end bump wiggle. 🙌

[@mattomlinson8759]

@@aired-downoverland9239 - Thanks! I’d actually done that a while back when I found Dr. KDSS’s solution & it’s not enough of an angle to need his standard bracket - the stubby one should do the trick for me based on his measurement suggestions, but it still may be enough to help. But I don’t have as much rear end wriggle as I do steering wheel wriggling/jostling over bumps.

[@mightymikee]

Bump steers occur when the drag link from the steering box (to the tie rod) and pan hard rod or AKA track bar are not parallel in the front of the vehicle. Typically applies to straight axle vehicle that steering knuckles are tied together via tie rods. Bump "steer" is not of rear suspension geometry as it has little to do with steering components. Panhard rod is to keep the axle centered under the frame as the suspension cycles. These adapters help restore the arc of the suspension cycle post lift.

[@AllTerrainFamily]

Came here to say this.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

It’s ok, some people prefer to call it “Rear steer” though the outcome is exactly the same, you flex by hitting a “bump” and it causes the rear to steer. Fact is I’m just trying to share something that worked for me.

[@AllTerrainFamily]

@@aired-downoverland9239 I don't know about that. Big the bigger issue is roll center rising as a result of the track bar not being straight. That will have an effect on cornering at speed. And that's going to be noticeable. I personally never felt bump steer in my lifted 4 runner on or off road.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

If you prefer the words “rear steer”, no worries. The end result is similar, a bump (compression) causing the front or rear to steer. All good 👍🏻

[@aired-downoverland9239]

@@AllTerrainFamily I’m all for differing opinions, everyone has to make up their own mind in the end. The fact is this, for me and many others, we are feeling rear steer, and have eliminated it with a panhard correction. If you’re not feeling it, awesome, that’s one less modification you need to invest in. 👍🏻

[@kypercarjoe153]

very nice of you to share. I have a 2004 that we bout with a 2" lift already on it. Ill check it out. Thanks for the help. God bless to you and your family my friend.

[@davidwayne9982]

THANK YOU-- it's SO NICE to see someone EXPLAIN the "engineering" change that is RuINED by lifting and not correcting the other angles... AND what about regearing for speedometer correctness too?? This doesn't even cover the engineering that changes the PULL forces that change on the transmission and engine by doing these mods.. THANKS AGAIN.. EXCELLENT VIDEO-- MUCH NEEDED..

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Excellent comments and spot on. I have re-geared to 4.88’s, which gets my shift points and speedo really close. 🙌. Happy Holidays

[@nofyfb123]

Unless you go overboard, it's OK to lift it. I have two - 2004 with 302,000 mi and 2018 with 35,000 mi. Both were lifted 2.5" at birth. The older one had eventually (@250K) UCA's replaced to correct caster but even before that, it handled perfectly, tires did not wear faster than they should've... The other one (stock except lift) has had no issues either.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Did you actually watch the video? Mine is lifted too, the video is about correcting your your geometry after lifting.

[@domenicolombardo3809]

Lmfao.. its about the rod

[@nofyfb123]

@@aired-downoverland9239 Did you read my post? The point is: it's not necessary to correct anything unless the lift is over 2.5".

[@Myotis05]

Given you lifted your 4runner a year ago, I am assuming you got tired of bump steer??? ;-) Great to see another video from you!!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Yes, it’s been driving me crazy. I bought the weld in bracket almost a year ago, but didn’t like the idea of it. As for the video delay: laptop died, corrupted video files, torn left meniscus…it’s been a rough year 😉

[@5G4R]

Just did mine! Got a shiny red one! I have 2" of rear lift and went with the shorty version. You still want a little bit of angle for when you load up your rig with gear so your track bar's not in the negative. Anything over 2" you'll want the regular height version. I have a feeling Dom @DR KDSS will be working overtime trying to keep up with new orders for this awesome product!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Yup, all true. I’m just over 2” most of the time; I’m typically level when fully loaded. Also agree DRKDSS will be working late nights 😄

[@pewterngold]

Fantastic video. Very informative. At what height of a lift do you need to adjust the pan rod angle or correct it? With all the different lift videos on KZbin, no one ever talks about the pan rod correction. I’m thinking about doing a 1.5 to 1.75” front lift on my 24 TRD ORP and a 1.5” lift in the rear. I want to keep the factory rake or close to it which is set at 2”.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Thank you, I’m glad you found it helpful. You can find the correction bracket here: drkdss.com A 2” rear lift typically benefits from this geometry correction. I’m not sure if a 1.5 would require it. The easiest way to tell is to do the lift, then check the panhard for any angle while on level ground 👍🏻👍🏻

[@pewterngold]

@@aired-downoverland9239 Thanks 👍

[@uniqedeath]

Going on 2 weeks with this installed immediately noticed the difference on turns

[@aired-downoverland9239]

That’s awesome! I immediately felt the difference; zero regrets 🙌

[@timthetrailman4563]

A little devils advocate. That angle was greatly exaggerated with the suspension in full droop. Do you have any pictures of it with it on the ground? If it is level at full droop, wouldn't it make it too long once the suspension is loaded? Great video and explanation. I will look into it for mine. As of now mine is level with 2" springs in the back.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Yes, it’s absolutely exaggerated while at full droop; that actually helps show the issue for video/educational purposes. If you not at the end, after the bracket is installed, it still has a slight left-to-right upward angle, however, on the ground it’s now flat. One great design feature of drkdss’ bracket is it has two mounting points. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@timthetrailman4563]

@@aired-downoverland9239 I like it. Thank you for the clarity. Your brother must be exhausted holding the 2oz. camera. Lol.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

@@timthetrailman4563 Yeah, he works hard 😏

[@nathanjohnson3790]

Great Job Sir!! Thanks For Caring And Sharing!! 🙂🙂🙂

[@shane7488]

Thanks for the informative video! I just got a 5th Gen 4Runner and want to get a 2-2.5in leveling kit put on it. In doing this would it create this issue or is this an occurrence when one does a suspension lift? Thanks again!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

You’ll be fine without it since you’re going with a leveling kit. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@thekelly4178]

Easy fix. Dr Kdss has a bolt on correction kit. Works great!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Agree! DRKDSS did a great job on the design and fit/finish of this kit. I’ve had the weld in bracket for a while but glad I never installed it.

[@EvolBobby]

Where can I find this?

[@aired-downoverland9239]

@@EvolBobby drkdss.com

[@007diego2]

Great video, great info. Which leads me to a two part question. Do reputable shops that do lifts on 4 Runners perform or recommend this fix? And how does a lift as well as this fix effect a factory warranty? Thank you advance sir

[@drkdss8742]

Does not affect warranty at all. Most shops will recommend it if they know what they are doing.

[@SoCalK5]

I work at a custom shop and do a lot of alignments on lifted and lowered vehicles. It’s amazing how bad some companies products are in terms of geometry and alignment.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Many are out for ax quick sale/buck, and they do it by cutting corners 🙌

[@EatCarbs]

Learn something new everyday. Thanks for the video

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Me too 👍🏻👍🏻

[@RayHarmon]

Thank you for the information. Where does one acquire this bolt-on modification? Would the Toyota dealership use this piece in their suspension kit if getting a 3" lift?

[@aired-downoverland9239]

You can get it from drkdss.com, they’re the only ones that manufacture it.

[@johntavares1231]

i sit at 8 inches in the rear on my 2000 and she rides like a dream #hawaiibuilt🔥

[@DogTownRiverRat]

Just ordered. Man I’ve needed this for a while now. Can’t wait to get it installed.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Awesome!

[@davidgodfrey7560]

Where’d you order the kit from?

[@christopherian1982]

What brand did you go with?

[@DeepSixed]

I lifted my 2006 Nissan Pathfinder 4", the shop I had do the work never mentioned this information. When I'm driving and I run over a bump, I've noticed that shimmy he mentions. Its 2am and I am tempted to go look under my truck right now to see if that Panard bar was raised. I am betting that it was never touched.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

It’s unfortunate that most lift kits, and most shops, neglect things like proper geometry; I think it should be mandatory, for safety sake. I hope you’re able to get your rear shimmy resolved. 🙌

[@cowelk]

I saw a grease zerk that seems to now be hiding behind the bracket. Can it still be accessed? Also, you showed how the axle shifted about a 1/3 of the bolt hole distance. Does that mean the axle is out of line by that amount since it lined up when leveled? And finally, do all solid rear axle vehicles have a panhard rod? Very interesting video. Thanks

[@aired-downoverland9239]

I don’t believe any zeros are blocked; I can’t think of one that would be behind the bracket. Since the vehicle was on a lift, and the axle at full droop, it likely shifted a little due to the way a panhard works. No, not all solid scores axels have a PH, a triangulated four link does not, or one with leaf springs, etc. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@johnnguyen6859]

I will never "lifted" my 2022 4runner SR5 4WD. Everything will always be "stock" OEM. Thanks for your info.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

That is what’s great about owning your own vehicle and having options to modify it out leave it stock 🙌

[@CallMeCoolHand]

Would this job need to be done if only using a leveling kit? Great video, thank you.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

No, a leveling kit only raises the front, so no rear suspension geometry change. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@CallMeCoolHand]

@@aired-downoverland9239 Well that makes perfect sense. I’m a forehead hahahaha. Thanks for quick reply, much appreciated! 🤙🏻

[@pewpew3780]

Thanks for this video. Now I can fix my Pan hard bar… what kit did you use and where can I order them. Thanks.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

I got mine direct from drkdss.com

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

excellent science and data... thank you for sharing ❤️

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Happy to share, and love helping small budding businesses that create innovative items like this.

[@OverlandPNW]

Excellent camera man as well! Where do you find such talent!

[@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD]

@@OverlandPNW so true!

[@gizmococolola]

Hi. Thanks for the video. You definitely taught me something new. 👍

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Happy it helped 🙌

[@TrailTape]

Good explanation and install guide. It's not every day we get an upload from Aired-Down Overland! ;P Surprised there wasn't an "I told you so" at 8:20.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Lots of I told you so’s 😉. Video production was the result of a dead laptop that corrupted hours of footage, a torn meniscus in my left knee, and a new job. Hoping to stay on track now.

[@OverlandPNW]

Oh, there was an "I told you so," it was just off camera ha ha!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

@@OverlandPNW Clever brother 😏

[@charlesruelas3962]

Would you recommend this pan hard/track bar lift with a 1.25 inch rear lift? Pre-load Wescott. Thanks for you video. Very enlightening. I have not experienced any of the issues in turns or dips etc.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

If you’re not feeling any bump or rear steer, then no. With a 1.25” lift, my guess would be your track bar is fairly flat.

[@charlesruelas3962]

@@aired-downoverland9239 Thanks for the response.

[@jontrotter2331]

They are currently out of stock. What a bummer! Hope they’re available soon!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

That does suck; I hope you don’t have a long wait.

[@jontrotter2331]

@@aired-downoverland9239 wow! They just responded to email saying maybe mid-week! That’s impressive response time!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

@@jontrotter2331 That’s unexpectedly great service; you don’t see that often these days

[@Baebon6259]

I have a lifted Sequoia and I have to continuously steer left & right every time I got on the freeway. Steering rack was recently replaced so I don't think it is the steering rack but rather the panhard rod since mine is at an angle rather than horizontal.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Well I hope this gives some ideas on a fix. 👍🏻

[@wannabecarguy]

Maybe you have a wheel under the fender on one side and maybe it's sticking out on the other side?

[@bgt595]

Great video... Slight question though, since that panhard rod has a rotation due to suspension drop and lift is that something that needs to be torqued when on the ground in its neutral position?

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Re-torque in the neutral position is always best practice; same goes for suspension, etc.

[@하얀거북이-l9h]

Dont be too hasty. if the threshold angle has to be more than 5 degree, that means a 3.5"+ lift at rear . Check your math here TAN(5) = x / 40 , so x = 3.499

[@daviddelucia9507]

Just bought a used 4runner sr5 with a lift and fox suspension kit. suggest taking it to toyota mechanic to check if it was all done correctly and if im in good shape or any mechanic would be able to inspect?

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Never a bad idea on a vehicle you haven’t built yourself David. The piece of mind is likely worth the cost.

[@thesikadchronicles385]

Did you make the bracket yourself or can it be bought somewhere? Amazing video, by the way. Appreciate the info!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Thank you 👍🏻. The mfr’s site is drkdss.com 🙌

[@rohannlacost4371]

Thanks for the video, good to know that need to be adjusted as well. Where did you buy the parts? Can you put a link? Thanks

[@aired-downoverland9239]

The manufacturers site is drkdss.com 👍🏻

[@altcode1510]

Great video. Please link to purchase the part please? I am lifting my 4runner in two weeks. I am getting some parts and tools. Thanks

[@aired-downoverland9239]

You can purchase direct from drkdss.com. Hope your build goes well.

[@Deltakingca]

Yup I got everything set on my 3rd gen and I will never lift it due to too much issues itsngood enough to get u thru places

[@hukmnpew8727]

Thank you for the content, love all your videos. Question, who makes this correction kit?

[@itr0863]

Dr. KDSS makes it.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

You can get it at drkdss.com; the quality is exceptional, he includes grade 8 hardware.

[@danielvoulkos8274]

475 Comments....wow....pretty good (or not). I can't go through them all to find where to get the kit for the ride. Could you please advise. Put it in your comment would help us all.....unless I just didn't see it. Thanks so much for your work. Just got my 98 yesterday, lifted, going to have to look tomorrow.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

You can get it from drkdss.com. Enjoy building out your 98 👍🏻👍🏻

[@danielvoulkos8274]

Never mind the ask, I found it in the comments not to far down. For you other guys they are; DR.KDDS and run $205. Looks like they are out of them until August.

[@danielvoulkos8274]

@aired-downoverland9239 Thanks man, going to enjoy your site. Subscribed minutes ago and trolling for goodies. 72 here, been driving an FJ60 for 19 yrs. MY 'DARLING' hates my new LOVE. They'll get along soon enough. New girl pretty much ad I would rig out myself...me amori.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

@@danielvoulkos8274 Out until Aug??? Dang, that’s a real bumper. I’ve had mine on for a while now, and been Offroad with it several times, and nothing has listened, bent, etc. (had it up on a lift last weekend).

[@zedxrom7867]

That's an interesting product, never seen it before, my panhard is raised, but the bracket is welded to the stock axle, it's made by Eimkeith. I guess your bracket is less of a permanent solution, I'm curious about reliability.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

I purchased the Eimkeith bracket as well, but never got around to welding it in. Both serve the same purpose and should perform without issue if installed correctly. As shown in the video, I used a paint pen to mark the bolts position to note if anything moves. So far so good.

[@zedxrom7867]

@@aired-downoverland9239 nice good to hear, good option for those not wanting to modify stock parts.

[@drkdss8742]

@@aired-downoverland9239 it’s way more reliable then the weld on version. A thicker bracket welded to the top of a thinner oem mount is not it. Trac bars side load the mount. The oem mount is thin in some parts and i have proof of how the weld on version can be dangerous to some one who doesn’t cycle their suspension and end up using the bracket as a bump stop. This bolt on version spreads the load all around the oem mount and inside ! If you break it after it properly torque down. You prob died ( not funny) and don’t even care about what broke.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

@@drkdss8742 Excellent response from the DR 👍🏻🙌

[@mochachoco1820]

What would have been helpful to the biewer is the information on the fabricator of who manufactured the bolt on adapters and where to purchase from.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Like drkdss.com?

[@willroser4492]

Recommendations for if youre doing a weld on kit? Like order of the steps when removing bar?

[@aired-downoverland9239]

I have a weld on bracket but never installed it, so I don’t have real worries experience. In would only disconnect the axle side of the panhard, weld in short sections to avoid heat build up, ensure the ABS line is out of the way, protect other areas by using a welding blanket. 👍🏻

[@biezey]

Great video… Link or info on where to purchase the kit?

[@aired-downoverland9239]

You can get it from drkdss.com They seem to go in and out of stock, but they’re a small manufacturing outfit, so I get it. 👍🏻

[@biezey]

I’ve been going down a KZbin rabbit hole with 4Runners lately and I just realized that mine is different from the one in your video I think. Do they make them for 3rd Gen 4Runners?

[@bmcantrell619]

I had my 4Runner lifted (Bilstein 5100's) without the PH kit for over a year. Had one welded on after everyone said I needed one. I took it off a week later. It drove terrible with it on. Looking back, my PH Rod was less than a degree off already. Wasted a few hundred bucks

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Spot on. The real test is to look under your vehicle on flat ground; if the PH is flat, or like yours, close to level, no need to change anything. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@maxdexpeditions]

Good info I dint think they offer a bolt on option 👌🏼

[@aired-downoverland9239]

I hope the info is helpful; thanks for watching.

[@danscomprider]

This does fix your geometry for the most part but it would be advised to get an adjustable trac bar and measuring frame to outside tire to get it 100% centered

[@aired-downoverland9239]

100% agree. You’ll note I have an adjustable trac bar as well, I just didn’t cover that in this video. 🙌

[@josezelaya8362]

Great video! Looking into lifting my 4runner this helps a lot. Where did you get the kit for this job ?

[@aired-downoverland9239]

I bought it direct from Ironman 4x4

[@andrewresler8626]

Is there a link to this correction kit?

[@peterolfert7477]

Great video. Thx. How much angle is too much? I have a slight angle in the panhard bar. Not nearly as significant as the drawing. Thoughts?

[@aired-downoverland9239]

If it’s minimal with the vehicle on the ground, and you never feel the rear and move (bump steer), I’d leave it as is. How much lift do you have in the rear?

[@drkdss8742]

On a level surface with vehicle on the ground on its own weight. Measure from the ground up to the center of the bolt on the frame side. Then do it on the driver-side. If the difference is 1.5-2.5 I would do the shorty. If it’s taller then that then do for the regular height. Under 1.75 you don’t really “ need” it but it’s more like you should want it knowing the axle is alittle pulled over to the passenger side and the geometry is a little off. Some one sitting taller at say 3” or more will really feel the difference vs some one under 1.75”

[@isms80]

Hi, excellent video, I have a question, what would be the difference between using the bracket to level the panhard versus using an adjustable panhard? Is there any advantage/disadvantage with the adjustable panhard? Somewhere I read that for every inch increase in suspension height, you should increase the length of the panhard 1/16 of an inch. Greetings from Quito - Ecuador.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

An adjustable panhard can help keep your axle centered as you lift a vehicle, but it will not correct the geometry of the panhard as you lift the rear end. If you have a correction bracket, you shouldn’t need an adjustable panhard because the axle should be sitting in the stock location.

[@silverrunner8687]

Great info! Is there a height requirement to add this? Like they recommend over 2.5 lift to upgrade the UCA’s. I’f you were doing a minimal lift (1-1.5”) would this be beneficial also?

[@aired-downoverland9239]

I think it would, but you’d use drkdss smaller bracket, or, use the lower mounting hole on the taller bracket.

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

I haven't seen the bolt on style kits for the panhard bar extention only ones I have seen are the weld ons but might be different for the 4th gens which are usually the same as the 5th gens hmm might have to see if I can find this kit for mine

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Check drkdss.com to see if they have it. 🙌

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

@@aired-downoverland9239 appreciate the link very much the website actually says it will work for my 4th gen v8 so going to order one up that helps a ton

[@aired-downoverland9239]

@@AntonioClaudioMichael Glad it worked out!

[@jmoonies_racing2642]

Thanks for the informative video!

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Happy to help

[@vangwizard]

Does this go for the gx470 also? Great and very informative video.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

It goes for any vehicle with a panhard where the rear has been lifted enough to throw off the stick geometry. 🙌

[@Garcias_garage724]

Ordering a bracket this week I can’t deal with that wobbly rear end feeling anymore

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Good call! I bought the weld-in bracket last year, but just didn’t feel great about it. This bolt-in bracket is crazy beefy; you’ll love, and the install is cake (granted, this old guy has a lift) 👍🏻

[@OverlandPNW]

I was actually amazed what a difference it made. 4Runner really feels planted now when I drive. I used to think, wow this road is really bad ha ha

[@vilojrrobert9323]

Thanks a lot for this great advice! Where can I find the hardware for the Pan Hard Correction Kit? I have a 1.5 lift on the rear. Thank you, Bob.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Bob, you can find it on drkdss.com

[@zacharybryant4254]

good video. just a little fyi, any bushing that has teeth in the sleeve or the sleeve does not rotate freely, that bolt needs to be tightenend down, when the vehical is at rideheight. if not, a certain amount of pre load is applied to the bushing, which can lead to premature tearing of the sleeve from the bushing.

[@aired-downoverland9239]

Absolutely correct Zachary