DO NOT MAX JOAN OF ARC PRIME! [At least not yet unless for this reason!]

[@tiamatmichellehart6821]

From an historical context, it's somewhat hilarious that Joan of Arc pairs well with Saladin and William the Conqueror! ;)

[@Durmomo0]

I'd really love to see Khan riding again. Joan/Khan sounds like a lot of fun but so expensive.

[@Andy60GT]

Hahaha you ended up having that title for it!

[@joshbein9827]

Thank you Drago

[@yudhishthir8588]

As I discussed with my kingdom mate We all agree that jan zizka is all gonna works fine but not like flevius Flevius is special and better garrison commander as skill, utility, survival aginst swarm wise

[@arnoudrood]

I am a cav rally leader so I will be maxing her on Tuesday

[@bernardcamot3194]

Same 😁

[@pound4pound380]

Both of you please come back to the comments section and tell us what you think about her getting maxed and please test each faze before maxing her to tell us the difference

[@damnson4098]

hey bro love the video, I thought I would give some feedback, I think the way your recording software is using different sound inputs from you pc to your mic, its not too bad I just notice I only hear the in game music when you talk, not a big deal but thought I would give a heads up, keep making great videos bro, take care.

[@solidoustopher]

She'll be going behind my Nev this coming kvk. Maxed Honda is going behind XY. Can't wait.

[@Dragothien]

Great pairs

[@hiroshima99]

from my experience in kvk - xy/william and nevsky/joan for field in aoo - xy/william and joan/nevsky for field and if xy/nevsky rallying in aoo.. joan/william is viable or who have honda joan/honda also doing the job while your nevsky behind xy doing rally same apply in kvk too. im a infantry main but atm those cavalry march almost killing everything and those xy/nevsky/william(5551)/joanP is most worth investment for me to expertise. It helps my my other march guan/leo and scipio/harald to shine on field. Joan P is worth to expertise i hope it helps

[@Mo7amedR4madan]

the title of the video scared me when I read it in the phone notifications 😂

[@felixpoldermans8373]

Great video, Drago

[@preston6355]

Totally agree, she is like William with big diminishing returns on investment. Thanks drago!

[@bentate6288]

so aethels skill says "forward facing fan shaped area" while sun tzu only says "fan shape area" - since joan matches aethel i assume it will be big aoe :)

[@hezhang8843]

The devs said 6th gen leadership commanders will be after 7th gen cavs. They will introduce ranged skill mechanic and those commanders will have these skills on October

[@tylerborg8000]

Where did they say that?

[@hezhang8843]

@@tylerborg8000 It was on Lilith's weibo. There's been this drama in the CN community about customer support "accidentally" post insulting comments in the chat. One player was just asking CS questions about joan prime and 6th leadership commanders but the CS gave confusing answers and called him braindead at the end. This sparked some rage so the management team claimed they fired the guy, apologized to players, and gave this information

[@tylerborg8000]

@@hezhang8843 wow...weird...

[@arnoudrood]

XY/Joan all depends on the 4th skill working when she is secondary. Support has been saying different things to different people. Some got the message that it only works when she is primary and others got the message that it also works when she is secondary

[@Dragothien]

It will work either way

[@jeringeorge8610]

the thing on her spear looks like Henry's hair. it's all part of the plan :)

[@lelouch8470]

I think if you don’t have a secondary for XY or Nevsky and your a f2p, you should just get her to 5,1,1,1. It’s pretty decent and it’s better than wasting gold heads trying to get the last skill.

[@Dragothien]

100 double cast chance is needed imo

[@lelouch8470]

@@Dragothien but if your low on sculptures, you probably wont be able to get the 100% chance. 90% chance isn’t 100% so you might as well keep it at 50% chance.

[@maclainholland4236]

@@Dragothien if I’m F2P how many skill resets would you say would be needed to get that last skill to 5. How many should I have before I attempt to max that last skill?

[@weirdfeeling2329]

@@maclainholland4236 i personally used 14 skill resets trying to get guan to 5155 and it didn’t work.. i just expertised him at the end. You would need a decent amount of them and especially be extremely lucky

[@maclainholland4236]

@@weirdfeeling2329 good to know, only got 2 atm

[@NickyLKing]

Thanks so very very much for the information!! Thanks for all you do and all your videos 💪😎

[@paolofonio3635]

Thank you!

[@teeheeeee]

4th skill is cracked

[@tuanseattle]

I have 654 sculp and my kvk start next week. I probably can max either Boudica OR Joan by the time pass 4 open. Which one should I go for ? I already have these maxed and fully equipped: xy nevsky, atila takeda, saladin william, guan scipio. Benching YSG, Khan, Alex, Ae, Mina, CC, CM. Nebu at 5511.

[@Dragothien]

Get boudica 5551 and Joan go 5xx5, then finish boudica off then work on Joan

[@razorfists]

Boudica is the play here, Joan will kinda make your cav marches awkward and you'll have to bench Saladin for her while Boudica will instantly activate a new march paired with ysg

[@genericsp4788]

Any change of heart since then?

[@maclainholland4236]

Would u say I should focus on Nevsky first or Joan?

[@Dragothien]

Because nevsky should really be maxed, I’d focus Joan, get her 5xx5, then focus nevsky to max

[@babayaga335]

I need secondary for Saladin, im not gonna max the secondary, is William 5551 still the Way to go ?

[@marky1846]

LOL at khan... he will be swarmed and focused before those skills kick in.

[@LOLLMFAOLOLLMFAOLOL]

I will max her on the 1st day 🥰

[@m.h.a.2404]

Guan scipi Salah will Xy honda Jeanne nevsky Bouty nebu What do you think? Any suggestions or substitution?

[@Dragothien]

Looks good. Maybe split up boudica and nebu and make them primary or their own marches. Otherwise it’s top tier

[@mirai.24]

nowadays: Guan Scipi Gorgo Liu Che Nev Joan Huo William Bou Zhuge

[@m.h.a.2404]

@@mirai.24 😂 I haven't played this game in months, how's the game?

[@weirdfeeling2329]

agree with all of that, but lets be honest getting 5 x x 5 commander is unrealistic almost😅

[@Dragothien]

Def doable. 5115 is unrealistic but 5225 or so is achievable

[@b.c5396]

4th Skill only works If Joan is primary commander or na?

[@bogdandumitru9450]

What do yo think about Bert / Joan? Bert does skill dmg whenever is attacked with skill dmg (his expertise).

[@pcarchitect2995]

why no subtitles ???

[@sleepysud]

Bold of you to assume that we can! Already behind with Scipio P not yet done 😂 and Nevsky and Boudica P to start

[@Dragothien]

That’s the point! I wanted everyone to know she didn’t need to be maxed to be effective :)

[@ericbuton478]

so i have nevsky expertised and planning to work on william currently (2111) to pair with nevsky, should i work on Joan P instead or should i stick with william?

[@Dragothien]

Get William to 5551 and get Joan to 5xx5, then finish William

[@ericbuton478]

thanks!

[@c.j.reynolds512]

I’ve been thinking about Chandra/Joan for his damage buff. If you do some testing give that whirl :)

[@jerrylarios6398]

I have 12 skill resets I'm ready to get get her to max first and fourth skill

[@terrickhuang7626]

wonder how mechanism and firing rate goes if joan pairs with Xy.

[@terrickhuang7626]

THE pair can be super meta if xy's defense debuff can apply on joan's scared banner. meaning 2 times of scared banner can be influenced by the debuff, imaging how much more dmg can dealt

[@micoman4939]

I think i wanna keep my NevWill pair. Do i pair Joan with my 5511 XY or my expert Saladin?

[@Dragothien]

If you want more damage go XY, if you want more tankiness go Saladin

[@micoman4939]

Good to know that my nonexpert xy is as viable to use as my expert salad depending on priority. Thank you

[@christophersmith9349]

Attila/ nev + JoanP / Takeda double rally ?

[@FAKE_Tgltn_Dz]

i called her "Joan of Dmg Prime"

[@xskayz1390]

Terimakasih sudah ada terjemahannya bahasa Indonesia 👍

[@josephcorleone2691]

Hi Drago, would you consider doing nevsky or Joan Prime.i just have 390 scuplture

[@Dragothien]

Joan prime 5115 then max nevsky

[@tylerborg8000]

So many commander options...was going to spin Honda but now idk

[@sharbandarrimau8448]

😳😆🙏 Wow I agree with you bro✌️👍👍👍

[@Distructors2015]

Just skill reset 5 times and last chance I had only got 5333:( rippp lol

[@avatazutara]

Joan unleashed next week and also a + museum Khan relic 40+attack + 40+ health 🌝🌝

[@tf-ok]

lol where did you read that from

[@luv2motorboat]

@@tf-ok I would also like to know this lol

[@leohumbarelly861]

Greetings Drago! Great vid ty. As a mostly F2P who just returned to the game and is in SoC with all Commanders, should I just skip Nevsky and go straight for Joan, pair her with expertised Baibars first and wait for the next OP Cav Commander?

[@DDKKAY]

Nevsky is the strongest now. You can make him 5551... then Go Another commander 5551.

[@sugihonotjandra2296]

@@DDKKAY no, if you invest on nevsky the 4 skill is a must max, so for me at least 55x5 or just expertised nevsky

[@xskayz1390]

Semangat terus

[@leonlim533]

How abt Bertrand Primary???

[@WoTMike1989]

Will Joan Prime’s 4th skill do the extra pop on her own primary active skill as a secondary?

[@Dragothien]

Yes

[@WoTMike1989]

@@Dragothien thanks! Was curious about that with the XY pairing

[@imaduzumaki1807]

I was so scared hhaha

[@suntzu2675]

better wait for sun tzu prime to come

[@XMasshypnosisX]

Very good summary drago. Im maxing joan for next big battle. Im bringing 3 cavs out of my 7 marches. So 3 cav, 2 inf, 2 archer. Would you do xy/joan, saladin/mina, nevsky/william or would you do khan/joan, xy/nevsky, saladin/william. Problem with khan he gets rekt so hard. And minamoto 30% debuff is really nice. So what combo would you Pick out of: mina, xy, joan, william, nevsky, sala, khan. Which commander not to use. All expertised.

[@aidilfikri3764]

xy nevsky, sala will, joan khan

[@Dragothien]

Have Honda or mehmed?

[@박재민-f8g]

Dont use Khan until he gets a relic. Mehmed is a better secondary.

[@XMasshypnosisX]

Not expertised. Honda only unlocked. My 6 march lineup will be xy/joan, nev/William, guan/scip, boud/Henry, gilga/nebu and harald/Alex. Thats all skilldamage marches. So the 7th gonna another cav because I have a 3rd cav gear setup. So i can "only" use one of those. I dont invest now into Honda when every 2-3 month a new super OP commander will be released. Thats why I thought mhm whats the best combo there. Khan is cool for procc damage, single nuke etc. But minamoto got that 30% debuff and Museum buff...

[@tf-ok]

whale

[@uffalo3633]

Just here to give a like and say the eagles are winning the SuperBowl. Great vid drago

[@Dragothien]

I mean…every team playing the commanders looks like they’re headed to the super bowl

[@uffalo3633]

@@Dragothien 😂😂

[@williamsheppard8738]

I don't think it works like that I think there will be more down time possibly 8 to 9 seconds because it kind of has to load up before your skill goes off but maybe and just maybe you are right about that and if so I already got him and that's definitely what I will be using because he's expertise and just sitting there doing nothing

[@Dragothien]

It’s how it works. It will go khan fire skill - Joan fire skill - khan fire skill - Joan fire skill

[@tayall8667]

Joan P 4th skill is just like khan when he is 55555

[@maxlove1985]

Why skill difference ?

[@casualgam3r19]

Pro advice. RoK one oh one. Never ever max legendary commanders on day one. If your low spender f2p. I have been advocating that for ever.

[@Miss.Nagatoro]

Try to get Nevsky at 5515

[@quyenhuynh2727]

@@Miss.Nagatoro Nevsky should be experted .

[@smontana9520]

Ppl whale uo to vip 17 for 5% all damage so hell yeah a skill which has thst is worth it.

[@Dragothien]

You have to think for vip, it’s insane because it’s not just for one march but for all marches. Makes it a lot more valuable than just 5% damage on one commander

[@smontana9520]

@@Dragothien fair point. Joan still looks amazing I think I'll have to max her 🤣

[@nighty2023]

The 4 nuke seems cool idea, problem is it will never happen because of the 10sec cooldown of Joan 4th skill. You won't be abble to proc this twice in 1 cycle because of that ;p

[@Dragothien]

The cooldown happens after the first trigger. You’ll still get the first trigger

[@nighty2023]

Ha yes I was thinking at 5 nuke if the expertise of khan procs the Joan skill my mistake. What do you think about chandra first and Joan? Chandra gives 40% all damage then Joan launches two skill enhance by that might be great double nuking impower!

[@jeromelariviere6606]

Hi Drago, appreciate your content! Little question, would you advise a small/mid spender in the beginning of kvk 2 to smash khan wheel as he is going to be a longer investment now?

[@Dragothien]

Not really, you’ll be having a lot of commanders to catch up on already without having invested in khan. This was more for the older players who all maxed khan earlier

[@ymcsupremacy8308]

You asked drago but imma just answer now, there are higher priority comms, even in kvk 2 those are Saladin and Alex which will run you 1080 gold heads already, the point of bringing back Khan is that if you have benched him, you might bring him back, if you don't have, he's not that great that you should expertise him imo

[@benthatguy5221]

attilla joan is going to be something for sure

[@d0sxxgaming94]

Love the content 🥰

[@pound4pound380]

Joan Prime and William is a 4 threat combination of AOE damage, Rage support for ther troop, defense support for other troops, and damage support for other troops. The rage stacks. It has some sort of survivability with 20% conditional defense and 10% health plus William removing skill damage bonuses. I like the Khan option too and want to see just how was 4 consecutive nukes readjustes the trade in a battle.

[@BoBByp213]

so, your saying joan will be a primary nuke down target in the field. lol

[@ReapeR-zl4kj]

Minimum skill for joan??

[@Dragothien]

I literally say it and put it on the screen multiple times

[@HorizonHoppers28]

5151 is that good for her

[@blotes2476]

Khan+Joan? I'll just wait what osiris champs will pair with joan.. but good content anyway

[@KrakenOnDiet]

On paper not that great but on openfield she will be something else.. at least that's what i think

[@sheiro76]

Unoptimized build, why don't you use the work of Wick Gaming. He already analyzed and shared best talent tree for Saladin which can be implmented almost entirely to Joan.

[@Dragothien]

I think your comment was wrong in my last video and continues to be here. Saladin uses conq tree which isn’t available here.

[@sheiro76]

​@@Dragothien Sorry I just rewatched and I missed the first talent tree you presented ! It's exactly the one I was thinking about. My bad !

[@sanzo7787]

those normal attacks will hurts any swarmers even for 1s, so joan is actually a semi anti swarm commander 🙄 i doubt khan joan will fire off 4 skills, but joan 100% will cancel out khan 30% , imo

[@Dragothien]

Swarmers only take counterattack damage, but normal damage does factor in slightly to counterattack damage

[@Dragothien]

And it’s confirmed khan Joan will cast 4 skills if khan procs

[@janihaavisto79]

I won't I only enough to get her unlock3d. That's it. Need heads to better purpose.

[@_surajbhandari_]

Yeah I've been pretty much disappointed with Joan when you compare her to nevsky. It's like a downgrade instead of being a same power lvl com.

[@youngtalentsgenerationz]

lmaooo its for 1 second , calm dlwn guys scene i laugh hard

[@bravebeanyo565]

I put 400 into her. Kind of regret it. Should of used on Nevsky. Got too horny for Joan. Oh well. Also, i used 6 reset scrolls and still got shafted on skill rng. 5532 , some shit like that. God damn it. Need anther scroll god damn it. Im only 300 days into the game, so i will have to use Saladin/Joan for my first SoC. Im only 60mill power, as a f2p , so i try to field max 2 marchs for field, otherwise it gets to expensive. Hopefully Sally/Joan dont get melted too fast, i intend on using my field for murderballs for the most part. Do you have any helpful tips for a noob.

[@mitchellgirt725]

Getting 5115 will be hard though lol

[@Mateo183]

You can try skill resetting a bunch of times

[@Dragothien]

5 something something 5

[@bernardcamot3194]

Scipio Alex nevsky Williams Joan mehmed

[@JustRed_Titan]

Commander that still not released and we are still talking about them to don't expertise 🤣🤣🤣

[@fatpedro5588]

Sounds like Epic Joan is better than Prime Joan

[@salahsuleiman9993]

I think they must create a new seasons of kvk same soc commanders can't use in kvk2 .. Because we cant catch with those new commanders .. This game keep force us spending money .. Lol they think their is no another games out their or what !!!!

[@yudhishthir8588]

I think see is gonna be ok not great Like harald does alot of proc How much he is necessary not at all on field Joan does alot of aoe but so does others And tiny amount of boost which is not big deal

[@pound4pound380]

Harald hurts his self. I'm assuming she'll be better than him and she also has 10% health.

[@yudhishthir8588]

@@pound4pound380 how does he hurt himself like arte? You are saying main thing what harald is known for is bad? Stacking attack in trade of defence is bad? Rethink otherwise no one would have used it

[@yongluo7121]

yeah, Joan P is not good enough to spend gold heads to max...

[@redareda4771]

I think it works 5111

[@arnoudrood]

The 4th skill is very important

[@bernardcamot3194]

5515

[@bobbydavis7411]

Lol first you say khan Joan will be too tier now don’t max her 😮

[@glembaj]

I'll skip joan. 11-15 secs skill rotation is too long for most of kvk battles, I mean kvks are all about murderballs, either you murder enemy in a few secs or you get murdered lol. Even with rage boosters so to speak, it's still 7-10 secs, and most of players don't last that long except perhaps peeps with pakal/haralad and full crystal tech. So i guess joan is only relevant with 1 on 1 battles which is in kvks never, so what's the point of having joan and her 4th skill 🙄

[@Dragothien]

Having used her for half a kvk, I wouldn’t skip her

[@kkplaysgames1995]

First

[@manievanzyl9441]

Wont work of shes secondary

[@bobbydavis7411]

Khan won’t make the field 🥹