Do NOT turn your hip when kicking? | The Karate Nerd and Icy Mike

[@KARATEbyJesse]

BOOM! 💥 Thank you so much for hosting me at your dojo sensei Mike! 🙏 I have a feeling your fans will LOVE our upcoming weapons video… 😎 Take care and keep kickin’ it! 🔥

[@richarddukard8989]

How tall are you?

[@KARATEbyJesse]

@@richarddukard8989 184 cm ( 6 feet)

[@bashlivingstonstampededojo882]

Looking forward to the weapons video

[@bodyboardingchronicles602]

Nunchuck video? How to? I've been Shadow boxing with chucks. Any advice?

[@scruffy7760]

Bland det bästa jag sett på länge. Intressant, informativt och framförallt, ett gäng galna gubbar som har riktigt kul

[@rezzerwrecked]

Another step closer to Mike realizing everything he does is actually karate, culminating in accepting that side kicks are great.

[@alwaystraining54]

Thank God I’m not the only one.

[@hard2hurt]

HIYA!

[@baldieman64]

Except that Oliver ruined the theory by pointing out that it's Muay Thai. What was it that that Bruce fella said????? "A kick is just a kick" or sumsuch..

[@idleeidolon]

@@baldieman64 "everything is karate" and "that is muai thai" aren't mutually exclusive. both statements can be true. the theory technically holds.

[@sephy980]

sidekicks don't work...except when they do. haha.

[@standupmackan]

"OOooooh! That hurt!" "That's the point!" To be honest - this is the most Icy Mike that Mike has ever been, and the most Jesse that Jesse has ever been. I am laughing so hard right now.

[@hard2hurt]

we had a good time

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Someone needs more thigh conditioning 😉

[@standupmackan]

@@hard2hurt I bet. You are both cool people.

[@standupmackan]

@@KARATEbyJesse For someone always talking about his “lehg muh-sells”, he sure seem to have been stung a little. 😉

[@rtyler1869]

@@KARATEbyJesse maybe drop a few more Gedan Mawashi Geri on his legs... Do both sides :)

[@steveperks7054]

"Kicking from boxing range". Yup, adding this to the practice routine!! Thanks guys!

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Our absolute pleasure!! 🙌

[@hansihobr]

Practice Dutch kickboxing then, that's pretty common.

[@AveSicarius]

If you get the flexibility necessary you can headkick from boxing range, it's an absolutely deadly technique because not many expect it and you can drop the guard by striking to the body. Dutch/Croatian kickboxers do this alot (Cro-cop, Ernesto Hoost, though Ernesto uses leg kicks more, and so on), also kyokushin guys like Andy Hug was are really good at close range headkicking. Also kicking like this allows you to leg or body kick from point-blank range with devastating power because you can basically drop it into place. You can also grab like shown here and head/body/leg kick, which you see in several fighting styles. You just need to be really flexible (splits level) and work on kicking as fast as possible, it works better if you have long legs obviously (which is a double edged sword because you need better flexibility but if you have that you can high kick at close range).

[@AveSicarius]

@@hansihobr Kyokushin too (which is basically what Dutch Kickboxing came from in many ways). The only problem is most people don't have the flexibility necessary to kick properly at close range, even leg kicks need you to be able to bring the leg up to the side and down in an arc (like Ernesto Hoost used to f***k people's legs up) or using close range headkicking like Cro-cop, Andy Hug, or Francisco Filho. I always liked kicking like this because I have long legs and people don't expect it coming over the top, especially if you work the body first (or work the head in regards to body and leg kicks).

[@steveperks7054]

@@AveSicarius I'll definitely look into those suggestions! I've been working on my flexibility lately, although I have a long, long way to go, but this gives me some extra stuff to work on. Thank you!!

[@hornetnezt]

Dutch style low kick. Lots of Dutch guys use it because they fight in the pocket with intricate combos. Very popular with K-1 fighters too in Japan. It comes from Kyokushin Karate. Kenji Kurosaki, pupil of Kyokushin’s founder, taught a Dutchman named Jan Plas, who opened up one of the first kickboxing gyms in Holland called Meijero Gym. His fighters and others adopted that fast 45 degree angle kick method, along with the deep power low kicks the Thais use with hip rotation. Joe Valtellini, Nieky Holzken, Kozo (old K-1 fighter), Jose Aldo, Andy Souwer. All use this kick. You don’t *always* have to turn your hips over like people tell you. Different tools for different jobs.

[@audex]

i thought about this when i saw the kick, i remember the early 2000s and K1

[@SenseiSeth]

Mike “I invented…” Psgsyjfisky

[@hard2hurt]

I invent hella moves.

[@Jenjak]

@@francisxavier1633 I'm sorry the kick guy is Kwonkicker

[@101289teutonicguy]

As the "kick guy" in my Tucson dojo... Try it, but focus on pushing with your toe. You'll notice maybe 15% more power and maybe 5% more speed. The rest is what Oliver said about moving mass.

[@RABB1DSQ1RR3L]

I invented Wearing my apponent out by just letting him punch and kick me until he gets tired. Then I go to the hospital and he goes to jail. Its MAD. We both lose.

[@tomnaughadie]

Icy "I Invented" Mike

[@ForeverYoungKickboxer]

I used to kick like this and my little brother would always try and teach me to rotate my hips. I " grew out of it"...but of course can still do it if needed. Thanks for validating my chaotic style, Icy Mike.

[@KARATEbyJesse]

Brothers are the worst!! 🤪

[@AveSicarius]

Turning your hips is best if you have the flexibility for close range kicking, or if you are at a longer range. You generally use this (which you can find in Dutch Kickboxing and Kyokushin took) if you have a hold of someone and can't properly rotate into them, but if you watch guys like Bas Rutten, Andy Hug, Ernesto Hoost, Cro-Cop (he has some beautiful close range headkicking), and so on you can still see close range kicking with your hip turned properly. Francisco Filho also used this kind of hip neutral kicking really well, he TKO'd Rick Roufus by getting one of these in when Rick was going for a kick and basically crippled him. Andy Hug also used them like this and got a TKO in similar circumstances I'm sure. Ernesto Hoost also uses them, but tends to go for the hip turn because he focuses on kicking your legs incredibly hard after he forces a weight shift! Depends on the matchup I guess, you can throw kicks super easily like this while clinching, so it's good for MMA, but the difference in power is noticible. Many Kyokushin guys use this style of kicking though, especially while clinching or grappling, so there is plenty of evidence it works well! Probably good to have a good habit of turning the hips though, so when you decide to do this it is intentional.

[@popsiclespee3893]

@@AveSicarius I’m from kyokushin, I agree!

[@bigslow4732]

Turning your hip over isn’t just about power though, it’s harder to snap your shin when kicking with the thin edge of the shin rather than the flat part, if people check your kick and you are throwing your leg up hard without turning your hips a good check will snap your shin

[@Immigrantlovesamerica]

There is a difference between a competent fighter throwing a modified kick and a beginner using poor kicking technique

[@camiloiribarren1450]

Icy Mike is learning karate from one of the most educated karate expert in the western world and KZbin! Icy Mike is always open to learn and see applications. Love these crossovers and camaraderie

[@nicksalvatore5717]

This is called a Dutch style kick sometimes. Probably derives from kyokushin but let’s be real, prolly has an unclear, ethereal origin like almost all techniques You can throw it and still be square. I’ve seen Jose Aldo throw this then immediately sprawl even though his opponent timed it and almost caught it. It’s fast, untelegraphed and great for MMA

[@AveSicarius]

I think it is a derivation of Kyokushin technique, you see a lot of such kicking in Kyokushin sparring because they stand so close to each other in basically clinch/punching range the whole time. I was taught low calf/thigh kicks like that when I trained with a Kyokushin guy, and I've also seen them used by Kyokushinkai fighters like Andy Hug and Francisco Filho. Honestly I prefer the Ernesto Hoost method, where he simply pulls you onto full power leg kicks at point blank range, but these kicks can definitely be super effective. He also uses this form of kick though, and given that he is one of the best leg kickers in the world, I'd say that definitely vouches for it. It's like the fabled clinch-range headkick some people can throw out (I had this at one point but my flexibility sucks after lockdown) where you draw the guard away and then throw it from a range noone would normally expect a headkick from. It's more difficult under MMA rules and definitely more effective in Kickboxing/Kyokushin rules, but you can definitely make it work if you are fast enough and set it up properly. You see this quite a bit in Kyokushin competition where fighters are basically right next to each other, one will throw some body shots, bring the guard down, and snap his leg straight up and to the head. You even use a similar form and basically just swing your leg up into their head while pulling them down onto it. You can also replace the pseudo-roundhouse (not sure what else to call it) with an axe/crescent kick as well (which is what Andy Hug would do sometimes).

[@AveSicarius]

@@paragon1782 Very much so, Dutch Kickboxing (or Kyokushin to some extent) is a great place to look if you want to use a close range fighting style but you still want to kick. Check out Ernesto Hoost for a dutch fighter who specializes in that style of fighting. I'm not sure if Valtellini uses DKB, but his style is very close to it (close range boxing combinations backed up by serious leg kicks), but I think he's based in Muay Thai. Though honestly it's sometimes hard to differentiate, because there is a lot of crossover with MT and DKB, you can even see this style of kicking by some Muay Thai guys in MMA now, especially to the calf.

[@KN-op3et]

I was going to say the same thing. The Dutch style low kick is very much like that.

[@douglasmacneil4474]

As Jesse said, most of the original ryu styles had them, as did the old school Okinawan style. Kyokushin doesn't really train it, but we do end up doing it at times

[@securemindsetofficial]

If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much!

[@hard2hurt]

We did a video on traditional vs. modern weapons on The Karate Nerd's channel coming soon, so go subscribe: kzbin.info

[@DeezyP]

Dang it, I was hoping I'd already be on there.

[@zyzz9780]

Spider-Man no way home is the greatest crossover Icy mike: hold my head but

[@AlexanderGent]

I'm looking forward to that one! Did you every get any HEMA gear for sparring? 🤔

[@KARATEbyJesse]

I’m editing it as we speak!! 💪

[@Diogenes2077]

Wow in this video it seemed a little like you were that guy. I mean you kicked Jesse hard when he wasn't prepared to get kicked. Still a great video.

[@akashuriken]

..this is a principle that comes back in classical japanese schools. Basically you drop your point of gravity, so your mass goes down. That downwards energy can be converted towards everything, kicks, punches, grap n pulls. If you keep everything as relaxed as possible, you can generate a sh$tload of power. Props for finding that out from pure experience😄👌

[@midshipman8654]

Is it just a Japanese principle? seeing how its a major part of wrestling and most other clinch stuff as well.

[@akashuriken]

@@midshipman8654 eeh, its in my experience that in japanese arts they are fully aware of shifting mass and redirecting the kinetic energy, they implement exercises that make you practise and understand this principle. But the downwards movement is key I think...

[@Annokh]

Body punches using this movement are pretty nice for a variety of reasons.

[@RaderizDorret]

It's also a thing in some styles of boxing where power is generated by "sitting" on some punches.

[@senseihidaoshi3565]

Do you know the name of these techniques or any resources that describe them? I wanna do some more research :) thanks for the comment

[@dacedebeer2697]

As a guy that went from karate (Uechi) to Kickboxing/Muay Thai styles, I appreciate the power in the latter, but the former is faster and has more options, and there is definetely such a thing as strong enough, specially with well placed kicks. There's no wrong kick, only wrong moments to use it.

[@jkphilosophy101]

That is my exact conclusion from Karate to Kick boxing

[@edgardo9003]

A kinteki geri is not wrong, but when used in a tournament that doesn't allow that kick is a wrong moment. How about this? There's no wrong kick, but using a head kick in a boxing match is a wrong moment.

[@Reason1717]

Having Jesse and his Brother as guests was really wonderful. So much knowledge in one room!

[@liamcage7208]

Full Contact completion or striving for the "perfect" technique as part of the "art" in martial arts; Self-Defense really lives in the world of good enough. What I mean is, don't pass up an opportunity to hit someone while defending yourself simply because you can't do it exactly the way your instructor said to.

[@raleighdavis4416]

Exactly Take what the opponent gives you even if it isn't exactly what your hoping for as you will unlikely get that in a real fight so throw what you can at what can hit and go from there!

[@jeffreyfigueiredo1740]

This is by far absolutely priceless! Kinda brings tears of joy to watch Sensei Enkamp and Icy Mike work together and exchange ideas like this with no egos. What a sick video guys!!! Please I beg of you to do more of these. Well done.👍🏽

[@regularguy3202]

I’m 57 and just started taking Taekwondo w my 12 year old son. I wish I started waaaay back but such is life. I love your video and style! Thanks man!!

[@deecampbell.rva-2]

Awesome! Y'all have fun!

[@_Pauper_]

Here's to starting when ya can! I am also "late" to the party but I love it.

[@stormskenpo]

That...was freakin' awesome! You guys don't know how wonderful this is and how good it is for my soul. I am a Karate Nerd as well, and someone who loves MMA. This is martial arts and you gentlemen are acting like martial artist! Hopefully, this will spread faster than the damn virus!!!! Respect!!! Oss!!!

[@KARATEbyJesse]

That makes me so happy to hear!! 😇

[@illestlines2408]

osu!

[@guilhermebotelho8691]

As someone who has always been a short guy, it gives me to great satisfaction to see Icy Mike kicking ass

[@Almosteasyese]

This is very similar to the cut kick they teach in Kali, so I'd like to run an observation by you on this: it's supposed to be harder to counter/check. The reasoning behind that is that it's less telegraphic, less committed and the leg is straighter. So, it's harder for them to see. Also, if they do see it it's easier for you to change trajectory or stop. When I chamber my knee or load a thai kick, some people will jam it immediately or ready their check. If they go to jam this , check it, or round kick me first I can turn it into a front kick or an oblique kick. I also love that you made that point about being powerful enough. Given that this can hurt people with good targeting, if your style is really mobile then you gain more by being able to fit this into your timing and constant exploitation of angles.

[@_Pauper_]

AH! maybe that's where I've done this. JKD or FMA.

[@jadenng7569]

I do Kyokushin and my coach taught this kick to us about a year ago. The kick is usually thrown at the end of a combination i.e. jab to the body, cross to the chest, left uppercut to solar plexus, then the kick. No one at the studio uses it very often, but it is most commonly used when sparring a larger opponent or getting out of a tight space.

[@taichistudio2965]

Good to see you guys doing vids together! The snapping/whipping quality of that kick reminds me of some of the close-range kicks we train in the WTBA :)

[@Shamus16]

Not trying to be sappy but god damn watching this video made me so happy. It’s so good to see modern and traditional martial artists sharing their knowledge in a playful setting. 11/10 sir, solid video👌

[@blakedove2263]

That’s very similar to the Dutch Kickboxing style low kick. I watched one Dutch kickboxer describe “Sitting on the toilet” as the hinge part of throwing the Dutch Style low kick.

[@kermit1211]

that's because Dutch KB has its roots in Kyokushin Karate

[@jeregamm]

I'm a former TaeKwonDo guy who's recently started Isshin Ryu. The kick where he steps to the side then does the short kick is one of the 8 basics that I'm learning. It felt so strange as a TKD practitioner, but the more I practice, the more I'm seeing its value. It's about getting off the centre line but still attacking to there. While not a super powerful kick, hitting someone in the ribs or gut will open them up to the closer range strikes.

[@painandpyro]

For any Tekken nerds out there, I wonder if this is similar to the sort of straight leg low kick Jin uses to end certain combinations. I know the developers modeled his style after karate, but I originally thought they had just messed up a proper low kick, but now it looks like maybe they were going for that specific technique

[@treacherousjslither6920]

Ah a man of culture I see

[@TheMasterMI6]

I think ur on to something here. Also high five for also having this specific venn diagram of interests

[@TheRealNickG]

Nice!

[@Haychmma]

@@treacherousjslither6920 street fighter is better :/

[@wasabi5338]

@Alma its basically kyokushin in tekken 4. They said he went to Brisbane to study Karate and Brisbane at the time had a big kyokushin dojo.

[@corychartier7961]

My mauy thai instructor actually complimented me on using different kicks from other styles at different ranges in sparing. We should always be expanding our arsenal.

[@NeptraK]

I remember Akihiro Gono threw these kicks in one of his first UFC fights, and Joe Rogan kept commenting on how he thought his kicks lacked power. Later in the first round, the kicks were taking their toll on his opponent, and Gono finished the fight.

[@leftocastpunx83]

Rogan coming from a TKD background where there is never "just enough" power. You are always looking for max power. Not surprised he would think like that.

[@splatbubble]

@@leftocastpunx83 Well, perhaps that's his mindset (about never just enough power)... but I would argue that in TKD the goal is basically to throw pretty much any kick, with good power, off either leg (left or right, front or back), with the same ease, fluidity and speed that you could throw a punch...just with the power of yer legs. The only problem is, it takes a ridiculous amount of training and flexibility to get to this point. So I can imagine folks might spend their time training other things where the payoff is a bit quicker? Just my two cents. Thank you.

[@David-ty5jk]

@@splatbubble not any kick just tkd style kicks coming from Savate like karate did

[@danieljanzon6488]

Liam Harrison and Alex Pereira use this type of kick every time. Very good video, thank you

[@kingcurtis666]

Loving all these cross over videos featuring Jesse and Oliver. Being a short guy as well, I also tend to do these sort of kicks at a close range. Great video!

[@christophervelez1561]

Dude these crossover videos are amazing! Also that kick seems kinda cool. In mma sparring are you getting taken down kicking up like that? Given that your leg is traveling upwards on the outside? Or is it so unconventional that your opponent isn't going to catch it?

[@hard2hurt]

I probably get taken down LESS kicking like this because you recover faster and land squared up to defend it.

[@christophervelez1561]

@@hard2hurt cool! It’s awesome to get to talk to KZbin celebrities! Love the content man. If I get stationed in DC I want to swing on by and join a class.

[@johnpjones1775]

I’d also wager the close range makes take down attempts even harder as well.

[@cfgp41]

It seems useful, but your head goes into a deadly range that you no longer have movement for

[@burt2800]

Plus it's harder to read and you can occupy them with your hands by punching, pinning, or covering up lol

[@cmdrjontomasson5510]

I am loving Jesse's tour. Really interesting topics being discussed. I am getting more and more impressed with everyone involved. I especially love this video which is a discussion of why something works, and its context in traditional martial arts. It would have been really interesting to see a bit of kata with the Kourtney Kardashian kick in it, to see what the old masters thought about what combos work with it. Also drills involving it, to see what conditioning they thought was important. This is also a great example of how sparing with creativity is a great learning mechanism. It is an example of the practice/theory/practice sandwich mechanism of learning. The initial sparing provides the context (hey this seems to be working), theory can be looked for (old katas had this: when and how is it used in those), and further sparing reinforces the lesson.

[@eljoelo2459]

The Karate Nerd is a wholesome guy.

[@streetsurfer00710]

Actually, this reminds me of both Wing Chun and Tae Kwon-Do kicks, believe it or not. In Wing Chun, the idea is to kick while simultaneously boxing at same time, ie, ideally 3 limb (2 arms and 1 leg) simultaneous attack and defense all at same time. So, the low kicks have to be within boxing range without turning of body or hip to not telegraph the kick and lean back. In modern S. Korean TKD, they practice rapid fire low kicks without turning or thrusting the hip for speed over power. TKD also has other close range but higher kicks that require great flexibility such as the ax kick to the collar bone or even the crescent kick to the temple. But, what you did in this vid could be interpreted as a modified form of vertical front roundhouse kick. It’s great to explore the full spectrum of range and angles of kicks.

[@nunninkav]

The out/in crescent/axe is my secret sauce. You don't see it coming until the side of the foot is basically eye level. Glad you mentioned it, I'm not the only one .

[@TheNakedWombat]

Ahh the axe kick. I remember all the stretching required to get to practicing that wonderful kick. Those were the days.

[@nunninkav]

@@TheNakedWombat do you have to kiss your knee, while standing like a flamingo?

[@TheNakedWombat]

@@nunninkav It gets my lovers excited.

[@patzamudio]

"make space or take space" love it. Thanks for pointing out that every kick doesn't have to be max power with hips totally open (exposed). "quick and effective" none of that "fancy" stuff is gonna work in tight. Utility. People commenting on bag work "you gotta turn your hip over" - haha, yes! Most have no idea what I'm really considering with much of my training, which is a lot of what you guys discuss here. Love it. you guys work very well together, including Oliver at the end. Thanks for the lessons.

[@CH-qw6yy]

We teach a very similar kick in close distance. We use it in our self-defense as a way to break balance or interrupt the attacker to help close and get control of them either by a takedown or control technique such as a hammer lock. This technique is used by some police and law enforcement. One of our higher level instructors was the close combat/hand to hand lead instructor for the North Carolina State Patrol and they used this type of kick a lot.

[@CaptJaipreetJoshi]

Its always good to learn traditional ma's to have better understanding of concepts of combat. Oss to @KarateNerd

[@copytechful]

I haven't watched this video yet but when I teep I turn my hips over and fully extend my leg and hit with the ball of my foot like it's a spear. I call it a snap teep. It's a a snap kick and teep combined. Meant to hurt as opposed to mean to create distance.

[@hard2hurt]

I'm not mad that you commented without watching the video... I'm mad that people 7 people *liked* it! wtf!

[@PuBearsticks]

Sounds like you've invented the side kick lol

[@lupacchinobros]

Now you need a camp on how to do the Courtney Kardashian style of peekaboo kickboxing!

[@blockmasterscott]

My two favorite channels together. This is an early Christmas present for me. 😊

[@legacycole4862]

Seth and Jesse are my favorite but I love icy mike to

[@Lionheart_Kickboxing]

We have this as a drill. We do kicker vs puncher close range ONLY. Like head to head fighting. The emphasis for the kicker is in shutting down or trapping the hands and kicking the legs from close range bye shifting angle slightly, pulling hips back during kick, or moving the opponent. then attacking

[@BeReadySelfDefense]

Love the kyokushin and Dutch style kickboxing kicks. Those mofos draw power from nowhere.

[@TheNEOverse]

Not at all a coincidence that Dutch Style takes a fair bit after Kyokushin.

[@shhshh8945]

alex perieras calf kick is exactly this

[@IceWyte]

Love the content you guys are putting out for this collab. I love when Jesse comes to town everyone is a student again.

[@xeejhay22]

i really love how both Jesse, his brother, and icy mike respect each others martial art and opinion, unlike other people who think their martial art is the best out of millions of arts

[@Docinaplane]

My karate teacher's teacher was a black belt under Mas Oyama. My teacher taught me that straight leg rising kick Jessie did on you. We used it to lift, distract, and off balance our opponent.

[@BradYaeger]

I was taught that kick by a Kenpo instructor in the 80's and also teach it as a "cut kick" . I use it as part of entering in punching range where I dont want to un-square my shoulders.(like you guys also said) Either use the ball of the foot or shin or even knee.

[@Fiebi95]

Check out Artur Kyshenko's kicking style! He learned it from Masato and there's a YT video where he explains it. He also explained it like the second guy: Bringing the force forward, not to the side. My trainer learned from Kyshenko and I tell you: those kicks without turning the hip come SO fast you don't see them coming and they fucking hurt

[@aYoBinitie]

Liam Harrison and Bad Company kick like that

[@frankiegodinez8864]

We actually do this in Kyokushin, when my Sensei taught me close range low kicks, he used to tell us to kind of “sit down on the kick”, seemed silly, but by “sitting” you create the space needed to create power. I can tell you it works and getting kicked like this hurts like a mofo.

[@zacharycovell6308]

It's cool seeing you guys work in person, the video of Mike's karate lesson over Skype was awesome haha

[@RoninMinistries]

The hip drop created the proper distance without all the shuffling or angles. Obviously not great form but very good adjustment and use of and creating range. You don’t want to overturn to much when you are “toe to toe.” Always fun to watch.

[@Q.Lawrence]

I'm going to call this the M. Bison kick. He squatted into his roundhouse kicks.

[@danielquezada1546]

If I can like this thousands of times I would! This was great two of my favorite martial arts instructors and teachers comes together it couldn’t be more perfect.

[@brandonpearman9218]

This dropping your hip back is common in a few kung fu forms as well. There are some great applications for it because most people dont think you can kick from such a range/angle.

[@RafaelSaiyajin]

Savate, Tekyon, Tkd, have low, middle, and high kicks, since ages. Nice to rediscover and experiment. 🙏🏻 A hug from Lima, Perú.

[@scrolls9375]

Kazuya from tekken does this combination

[@justaregularguynamednoah1581]

I always love seeing martial artist from other styles getting together and sharing knowledge.

[@thejodyjourney219]

It's kind of a cresent kick, if not a diagonal whip kick. I agree, not all strikes need to be full force. Like, with this kick, it can attack the pressure point along the thigh or simply uproot your opponent. There's your standard power moves and there's varying degrees of force as well as variation in technique. Maybe we can call this the 'hinge kick', since you have to hinge to get it lol!

[@zkassai.audio.2]

You can also just do what Jesse did, which is throw it at the floating rib area. As Mike shows, that HURTS.

[@Buli0n]

Guys are genius. I love their chemistry.

[@AnnaKuznetzova88]

We have similar kick to this in taekwondo but stance is much different

[@hard2hurt]

same same but different

[@1worldma]

It's very cool watching all the crossover videos from you guys lately. This particular video is a lot of fun, because we call that style of kick (that's essentially a leg made into a bar) a shovel kick and you can throw it with the hip , no hip, or hinged hip just like you guys explained beautifully.

[@timadams3979]

I come from an art that uses lots of emphasis on hip rotation. I have also trained with arts that used a much more relaxed, whip-style kicking technique; I notice that many of the old guys in my type of art have had knee and hip replacements as they age--just saying.

[@Jenjak]

I notice a lot of people from everywhere have hip and knee replacement. It seems it's just a thing when you get past 50 yo.

[@KevinLeeVlog]

I do something similar and I called it "shin guard" that I use in clinch or grappling position. Gonna have to show you next time!

[@stuartpaul9211]

I can't rotate my hips round for some reason, thats how I kick naturally

[@hard2hurt]

Yes you can. You just choose not to. It's ok, just don't go around saying (or believing) it is because you "can't." You can.

[@AdamTuxTengler]

"I accelerate my hard parts into your soft parts" ... I finally understood why I like martial arts. Thanks for changing my life Oliver.

[@jayportland]

Yeah that’s a good technique for us vertically challenged practitioners.

[@jon8864]

The blonde dude is tall, he does it.

[@randombencounter263]

What's old is new again. I love seeing obscure stuff from super traditional martial arts brought back into a modern context.

[@EskiltheWanderer]

I love the open-minded enthusiastic creativity at play.

[@boereburger6762]

Great video!!!! You made a good decision to bring the brothers into your video. Jesse is a great Karate ambassador, and you guys, with Seth, explore what other arts have to offer, and after training in martial arts for 50+ years myself, and eventually competing in kickbox and MMA, i respect all arts, some more than others, but all have value.

[@alvarotudor3239]

Wow!! The Karate Nerd and his Brother, with Ice Mike?? The Multiverse its all over right now!! Great-ins from Brazil!!

[@TheVulgarSkill]

I've seen similar mechanics/ideas in kicking, including kicking from the clinch in Southern Chinese Kung Fu like Pak Mei as well. Which makes sense since old Karate comes from Souther Kung Fu but also good ideas are universal. Great video!

[@AcrossGenres]

Kicks from the clinch/grappling range are my favourite. Glad you guys highlighted these things. Everything evolves and it's nice to see different styles combining their strengths. Mike you should look up AshiHara and or Kudo !

[@austinwiebe2648]

We often do those hip back kicks in Taekwondo, very effective if you do it right, especially the rat tail whipping roundhouse that icy mike mentioned. Keep up the good work icy mike👍

[@kirstienicol8099]

This makes a lot of sense. After training taekwondo far range style I was initially confused by short range Goju ryu karate when we did not turn back foot in side kick and quite different hip motion. But the Goju ryu side kick targets no higher than knee level and tries to be concealed with way more central initial motion than taekwondo. The core body during side kick is also way more forward facing than sideways in TKD. It’s all about range!

[@LgLegion]

I love when different groups of people start to realize they have so much in common and start to get along and share knowledge with each-other. Oh, sorry typo *different forms of martial arts*

[@micktrickmp]

This Friendship is priceless

[@steveperks7054]

Just saw this one after watching Sensei Seth's. CHRISTMAS CROSSOVER PART II!!

[@SpicyIguana]

This Kick is also used by the 8x Muay thai world champion Liam "The Hitman" Harrison who's known for these kicks. I'll be honest I've been practicing this kind of kick myself since I'm a smaller fighter. He's done a couple seminars where he said he doesn't fully rotate his hips into his kick either because it takes too long to recover. So when he throws his leg kick, it's coming up at an upwards trajectory. But first things first, it's important to know where the power comes from in this kick. First he mentions that he doesn't take a complete step into his kick like a muaythai fighter would, but almost skips into is like a little hop. His foot and heel almost on the inside on the opponents stance while his kick goes straight up to the outer thigh. He said to picture a clock where your foot starts on the ground from 6 o'clock to 4 o'clock. Think of it as chopping the tree upwards. But hey who knows l, if you practice this kick long enough. Hopefully you will have a kick as fast as Liam Harrison.

[@Thadnill]

Ah, as a Brown belt kyokushin practitioner, this is indeed something that we use when we're in really close range/inner pocket fighting, because in those circumstances you won't usually have the room, space or time to throw a full powered hip kick. It's very fast and effective. Nice video Osu!

[@danidsds]

From close up you can also do: - Inside leg kicks, - knees to the thighs (inside and outside). - knees to the body. - Heel to the outside of the leg (extend leg and then flex hitting the thigh with the heel). - Leg sweeps and hits to the back of the shin (with the heel or the instep arch). - outside kick to the back leg. - soto mawashi keage to the face (you can do it from really close up if you have some flexibility). - Jumping spinning back kick (tobi ushiro geri) with the heel to the liver. - falling kicks (jump back and kick while falling, usually the head). - Low kick but while keeping your leg flexed and pressing your shin into the opponent's leg muscle. You use your body weight instead of speed to cause damage. - Jumping knee to the face (if you're taller :P ). You can also move your back leg a little further back than normal to then shift your weight back quickly and strike with your front leg.

[@Lucifer_M0rningstar]

It looks exactly like Kyokushin style kick. But it's also a kick in Muay Boran as well as Muay Chaiya.

[@michaelbenner3641]

Like you are reintroducing this. This type of kicking was covered during my JKD training back in 85.

[@scottgarner7290]

Great vid- exploring discovering creating thru collaboration. Old and new interacting to find truth. Love these guys for their humility and desire to share process.

[@MartialartsUnleashed]

That's actually really interesting. Love the concept.

[@milanvanik8701]

It's modification of low roundhouse kick, I seen it in kyokushin, kickboxing and muay-thai as well. Bdw can be very effective if you in moment of impact bend your leg and hook opponent leg behind the knee with you foot and pull it towards you to destabilise (pushing hips forward while pulling legs in can help develop more pulling power) . Hope I was clear, English is not my mother tongue

[@unclepeet937]

Rarely comment on videos but that kick is also dangerous to the thrower. I am a kyokushin black belt and I’ve studied Muay Thai under Evilazio Feitoza I can tell you that you’d better be wearing shin guards if you throw that kick. Please let me explain: Your shin is shaped like a ruler(more or less). When you turn your hip over yes it gets more powerful we all know that but it also exposes the ‘blade’ of your shin(or the edge of a ruler. Grab a ruler and hold it so the she’s are up and try and bend it. Not so easy right? When you kick the way you are showing you expose the flat side of the ‘ruler’. Turn the ruler over now and bend it. It bends quite easily. If you connect with that flat side against a checking shins blade you are breaking your leg or at best saying “OWWWW!” very loudly. Kyokushin is no pads so we know this very well. This is actually why some UFC fighters have broken their legs from checks look closely: a lazy kick that fails to pivot and expose the correct part of the shin. Sorry for the long post.

[@unclepeet937]

On a side note, when this happened to Anderson Sliva the only person I know who explained it exactly as I just did above was Bas Rutten(also a kyokushin black belt). He explained this as the reason Silva broke his leg. So if you disagree with me don’t get angry with me go get angry with big Bas I put the blame on him haha!

[@hard2hurt]

I don't get checked a lot, but noted.

[@xSaBBaTHxx]

Love these guys. So cool to see them collab! 🙏

[@darque1860]

Jesse and Oliver are awsome!!! Love those guys. Such awsome teachers, and passionate about karate, and mixed martial arts, and the culture their in. I've learned so much, from just watching their videos, they have re lit My passion for martial arts, and inspired me to do better, be better. To Be more patient. And to shut up, and listen. Icy Mike as well. Love your channel bro!! U get into some pretty good topics. And I have learned alot from u as well. I'd come to your gym, but I'm all the way in Wisconsin. But thank you guys, for all the good info over the years. You have all participated in helping alot of people find Karate, and mixed martial arts. It's life changing knowledge. And definitely somthing more people should get involved in. Keep the traditions alive, and never lost. It's humbling, and enlightening. Thank u guys!!!!

This is so fun seeing you next to one another, and Oliver too! NOW I'm waiting for impression videos :D

[@MonsteR_NuggetS]

Great video as always Mike. A somewhat obscure example of this principle I've seen is in the Metal Gear Solid V of all things. Whenever Boss initiates a cqc takedown, it's usually a combination of punches and close range leg kicks followed by a throw, and if I'm remembering correctly he always drops the hip for the kick as opposed to bringing it forward.

[@rollingsteady3107]

Just seeing these two men on the same set means it's going to be a good day!

[@3gnomesinacoat448]

I love Jesse, he makes every video like it's the first video about karate ever made

[@donelmore2540]

I like the exchange of ideas and techniques. Nothing is WRONG if it works.

[@thewarriorandthegarden1562]

I'm loving these collaboration and different insights plus ur commentary and comedy it's literally perfect

[@makaiev]

This is the kick Master Milcey used to humble the black belts back when I was doing tkd (wtf), but didn't understood thoroughly it back than... But while walking back he just whipped his foot into the teachers torso and they always made the "oh, I f*23d up" face... I love how its like its a step until it isn't... That is REALLY HIGH LEVEL and Mike just do it casually with perfect timming...

[@nathanarmstrong7636]

I love how Mike is like I'm open for info teach me.

[@jamaljones6125]

Good stuff mike! I was always taught don’t punch in kicking range and don’t kick in punching range. Thanks 🙏🏾

[@CreamTaters]

i do tkd, and whenever i am a little too close to my opponent during sparring i’ll switch my feet while moving backwards to bait them to chase me. then i’ll change the switch into a jump rear leg round/front kick while moving backwards. it’s pretty effective and sets me up for another kick with the rear leg or reverse etc

[@davidkailer5522]

Oh man, this made me so happy to see. Worlds colliding in the best way

[@stephenellis6601]

This is great. For years I saw Cung Le apply this, and although the technique wasn't very aesthetically pleasing, dude was an amazing kicker that broke Frank shamrock arm.

[@floriansalihovic3697]

I love these collaborations!