Do or Don't: Stormcast Eternals

[@pancreasnowork9939]

You can’t un-Space Marine Warhammer Fantasy.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

To be fair tho last I've heard vulkan did regret what he did plus vulkan was tricked by curze to do that or something i don't know the details other than it was all an attempt of konrad curze to pull a dark knight joker on vulkan

[@fumarc4501]

I don’t care. I hear Age of Mythology soundtrack and I’m transported to the original world of High Fantasy.

[@anguscampbell3020]

I like the -or names personally, its an opportunity to expand your vocab. Fulminator, fulminate (/ˈfo͝olməˌnāt/, DEF1: express vehement protest example: "he fulminated against the evils of his time", DEF2: explode violently or flash like lightning example: ""thunder fulminated around the house"", and in chemistry: a salt or ester of fulminic acid) So fulminators vehemently protest and are like lightni...oh shit this calling them storm-knights with extra steps. Nevermind I take it back.

[@imperialhistati2348]

If Chaos wins in 40K, Chaos really just loses…

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

@@imperialhistati2348 it doesn't

[@maxducks2001]

Fun fact: One female Stormcast Eternal seems to be confused by her appearance. It’s revealed by the end of the book she’s in that she was reforged by Sigmar as a 7 year old girl. But since Stormcast Eternals are all buff af adults, the woman doesn’t recognize the person in the reflection, never getting to see how her physical form grew up. Sad shit…

[@silentnight6810]

Aww

[@13emstr]

What book was this? Might read it one day.

[@captainscience2732]

Book plz, that sounds like a real interesting idea.

[@maxducks2001]

@@captainscience2732 I think it’s Soul Wars? Don’t quote me on that, I haven’t read the book either.

[@captainscience2732]

@@maxducks2001 After some investigation with the subreddit I have determined it's Kragnos Avatar of Destruction. Going to read it for myself to determine if it's accurate. Thanks for the reply!

[@snakething87]

Sigmar: [Makes ogre stormcast] Chaos: “Wait that’s illegal.”

[@ronanchristiana.belleza9270]

Old Ones:It's our creation WE MAKE IT LEGAL

[@Kamina.D.Fierce]

I would LOVE to see an army of Ogre Stormcasts.

[@mauser98kar]

Chaos: "Wait, that's il-" *BONK!*

[@rougenarwhal8378]

sigmar felt bad for the thunder warriors, and decided that they would watch over em so they never feel the pain of betrayal ever again

[@ThatDragonGuy]

The Emperor: "You fucking idiot, why would you want to keep the Thunder Warriors around?"

[@thetau4866]

@@ThatDragonGuy THEY DESERVE A CHANCE YOU OVERGROWN BABY OF AN EMPEROR.

[@Qardo]

Thunder Warriors did nothing wrong! SMURFS! I mean. ULTRAMARINES! MARCH LOUDER IN THE GLORY OF THE EMPEROR! (all to piss the God-Emperor more and being able to sleep)

[@lornbaker1083]

Awww.... that's sweet

[@syrienangel4137]

@@thetau4866 All of a sudden the Thunder Warriors start murdering everyone "Right... they were unstable psychopaths"

[@muffintop9120]

Fun fact: Ikit Claw exists in AoS, and has uncovered the secret to making Sigmarines. So Stormcast who are unaligned with Sigmar are, in fact, perfectly canon. Ratmen Warpstormcast is a go!

[@LS-gc8bj]

I think i've seen someone kitbash stormvermin heads onto stormcast. Didn't think much of it, but this makes it a lot more epic

[@GuthanSlayer]

uhh how? and doesnt it take a dwarven god to make the armour and sigmar to do....who knows what

[@michaelsantamaria5295]

@@GuthanSlayer it from the novel Hamilcar Champion of the gods (recommend it it very good) he a wanted rat by all the gods even the great horned rat because he been stealing all their relics and magic tomes/info

[@hades_deathgod9496]

That’s actually iffy if it’s canon or not, BL books aren’t always canon, it’s weird but it’s GW so it’s supposed to be like that

[@chaosundividedreborn]

@@GuthanSlayer To sum it up: The rat in the Hamilcar books is called Ikrit, and is a white skaven in a mechanical exosuit with vague memories of the world that was. It's all but stated that he's Ikit Claw. He tortures Hamilcar to find the secret of the stormcast reforging process, the ability that allows them to turn to lightning upon death and return to their altars to be remade and ressurected. He's eventually killed in the book, but vanishes in a blast of warp lightning upon death, reborn in his own secret sanctum.

[@indurasavant1831]

Undead player that just had his front line chaff fulminated on round 1: "15:52"

[@bluestormpony]

me a lumineth player who had 40 wardens fulminated in one turn O_O

[@RainElement98]

"Just replace the wolf with storm or something" Me, looking at the Stormwolf

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

Wolfstorm... That's the most terrifying word I've ever heard

[@torcaace]

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Wolfstorm vs Sharknado

[@DaleBryand]

I cant tell which I like more, the actual information you presented or the fact you used Sabaton

[@noahbachfrandsen1533]

both? both. Both is good.

[@8-emus]

Sabaton rocks. 👍🏻

[@riokollivier]

What song was that by the way?

[@rodan9596]

@@riokollivier that would be Metal Ripper it’s a song made up of the lyrics of other metal songs.

[@gudboah4688]

The stormcast always reminded me more of the Undead from Dark Souls. The way they slowly loose parts of themselves is very similar to the process of hollowing. Edit: after playing WAAAAYY to much elden ring, I think the Tarnished are a better comparison for the Stormcast.

[@Booklat1]

wel every souls game is the same game so does it really make a difference? haha

[@raviponso3887]

​@@Booklat1Are you sure about that?

[@Greimor967]

​@@raviponso3887yeah

[@motivateddad]

@@Booklat1 Not the lore tho (between Elden Ring and Dark Souls). Dark Souls lores states you are cooked no matter what you do, but in Elden Ring it is hopeful with very much effort.

[@snordgoodman]

Would love to see a "Do or Don't" on the cities of sigmar

[@williambailey118]

Same. I can't flipping wait.

[@gayyusmith791]

sameee

[@fumarc4501]

The Dark Elves are my favorite cities and I’d love to know their does and don’ts.

[@dylanadams9817]

I always assumed the stormcast were just worse space marines but this really opened my eyes. Why didn’t anyone tell me they were so cool?

[@pancreasnowork9939]

End Times was such a shitshow and early AoS was such a mess that they kind of got swept in with the tide of hate. Undeservedly so in my opinion but that’s more or less what happened.

[@agimb2381]

Stormcasts suffer from being introduced right after end times and it ended up being very in bad taste to most warhammer fans. Stormcasts are basically the poster boys GW would like to push over marines as it basically eliminates 98% of the negatives you always see agasint space marines. Most marine chapters are assholes and the ones that are not assholes are few and far between + are not fully free from being assholes either. Stormcasts dont have the red tape flame wars around female space marines either since they made it so both genders can be stormcasts, most stormcasts are genuinely good dudes and are not xenophobic agasint non human races (unless its chaos then they become super racist) as even orcs are somewhat tolerated in Sigmar cities as long as they dont cause trouble, and finally there are asshole Stormcasts but its flipped from marines as more good stormhosts exist over the insane zealot ones who will butcher entire cities over small outbreaks. Stormcasts are also only ever given updates at the start of AoS editions and thats it till the next one unlike 40ks constant peppering of marine releases throughout an edition. tbh I think all Stormcasts need to get liked online more is a good video game then the stigma will be lost but AoS hasnt had its Dawn of War yet sadly.

[@monekyinapanzer7357]

@@agimb2381 don’t forget that pretty much every early AOS army book go highjacked by the stormcast. Now I hate their armor which is the main turn of to me, but literally not being able to read anything without it devolving into “stormcast are so cool they saved/effortlessly beat the army you though you got a book for. Look at how cool they are. Here’s some really shallow lore about your lame army now buy stormcast” was far more egregious to me. I can ignore designs I don’t like. Unless you you keep shoving them in my face in my armies book.

[@Sir_Bucket]

@@pancreasnowork9939 GW really fucked themselves over by rushing the End Times. I hope they learn from it but I doubt they ever will.

[@NevaehCyanide]

StormChads > VirginMarines

[@GumshoeClassic]

Something that I personally find really intriguing regarding Stormcasts is the prospect of lost Stormcasts or those that were bad guys previously. To give an example for the latter: Tornus. Aka Torgluk. A guy who was captured by Nurgle followers, thrown into a filthpit to wallow in sickness and maggots for seven days straight, proving so resilient that Nurgle blessed him from top to bottom. He then became a lynchpin in the war that almost led to the Maggotkin completely taking over Ghyran and corrupting the goddess of life, only to be bonked by the Celestant Prime who went "Hey honestly you're kinda cool" and cleansed his soul. Now he's a Stormcast fighting *against* Nurgle (and some of his mates kinda bully him). As for the former, look no further than Trakos in the Gotrek novels. The last of his host, badly damaged and pretty much insane, but not fully dead yet. So he just trudges along, spurting lightning from the countless cracks in his armor, deteriorating with every day. A miserable existence but he keeps on going out of sheer faith and stubbornness. Also he sings a lot. Though not very well.

[@nikkmaster99]

I really love the idea of a Prime looking at a bunch of Warriors of chaos and seeing one guy and then zooming up to him and going "Hey you fuckhead I see that good spot on your soul you're coming with me"

[@IzzysIssues]

I'm currently kitbashing a Start Collecting Slaves To Darkness box into Stormcast to reflect this. It's one of the more compelling lore elements of the reforging imo

[@BlastedRodent]

The initial stormcast designs looked overdesigned and clunky to me, but with the Dominion wave I think they’ve finally overcome that awkward phase aesthetically. The new look is more sisters of battle and less abaddon the despoiler spraypainted gold, and it’s way more up my alley. If I hadn’t already committed to nighthaunt I’d happily collect some.

[@222LoneWolf]

There were some really cool parts in the first few Stormcast waves, but they did have a cartoony quality that combined with the bright gold and blue colors to often look more like Warcraft than Warhammer to me. I definitely agree that the Dominon-onward waves have done a great job at refining the designs. Now they actually look like the ancient mythology-inspired magic knights they are supposed to be, and I can honestly say that they're up there with Seraphon as some of my favorites in the current AOS range.

[@EbonFang_92]

an interesting thing, Lord-Exorcists can judge souls from enemies and send them up to Azyr to be reforged, although the times that happens are few

[@Bluecho4]

The fact that Stormcast can be "recruited" from anywhere - even their enemies - makes for a whole host of cool narrative army building.

[@samuelrodriguez9801]

@@Bluecho4 Imagine a chamber of Stormcast who used to be Beastmen from Ghyran and Ghur?

[@Bluecho4]

@@samuelrodriguez9801 Hell yeah.

[@hammer1349]

I mean the Celestant Prime had literally blasted the Chaos out of someone's soul and redeemed them, they even became a stormcast which I think is pretty cool

[@leonardhollsten8145]

Imagine a book about a slave of chaos, who due to growing up among a chaos tribe, has never known anything else but still has a good heart. During their first battle, they die against a Stormcast but a Lord-Exorcists judged their soul worthy for being a stormcast. Now they have to deal with the immense culture shock and the fact that their entire worldview might be a lie. Just so many possibilities.

[@fumarc4501]

I like your take on “great heroes of humanity” including altruism and good hearted people, not just great warriors. Anyone can be a great warriors with literal lightning for blood and magic power armor.

[@navilluscire2567]

*Anyone* can become a great warrior, weilding powerful weapons like no other, but *everyone* can become a greater person by embracing others as equals and persons.

[@InquisitorThomas]

When you think the Stormcast are Space Marines but it turns out they were actually Necrons.

[@redwillow1853]

Fun Fact: Unlike the Space Marines, the Stormcast can talk with one another about doubts they have with Sigmar's plans without some asshole screaming, "HERESY!!!" Also lore wise they actually have personality unlike most of the Emperor's angels of death. On top of that they actually do give a shit and value the mortal factions they work with.

[@mattmetawolf8634]

The difference is space marines are not as pussy as your fucking Stormcast fellows not to mention they’re far more interesting because they don’t need to always talk about their feelings they get shit done

[@d.n5287]

​@maltheri9833**cough leandros**

[@guilhermeanselmodecarvalho]

Ok, one of the few times I get an advantage for being Brazilian in the warhammer, so I'm gonna boast. Most of the words you said doesn't mean anything come from Latin, so for Portuguese speakers it's pretty easy to understand. Fulminator comes from the world fumes, so they turn their enemies into fumes(dust) or something like that. Fun fact, in Portuguese we say someone is fulminating if they are angry, the whole angry/red/hot connection that exists in every culture I've been in contact with.

[@thekinginyellowmessiahofha6308]

Fulminate is to violently decry someone. I like your definition more.

[@hughmilner7013]

Latin "fulmen, -inis: lightning, thunderbolt; crushing blow" - so yeah, just secretly a storm-related word instead of outright one.

[@Bluecho4]

Mechanically, another advantage to Stormcast is that while they can be allied with other armies, they can also naturally be souped into Cities of Sigmar. 1 in 4 units in Cities can be Stormcast, and that's true regardless of what city you're running. They can be slotted in directly with no mechanical or lore issue. Which is great, because Cities is already a soup of a half dozen Old World armies. So if you're a long-time Warhammer Fantasy player coming to AoS, you probably already have a force of elves or dwarfs or Empire troops. You can easily grab a few Stormcast models and stick them in. (Which you might have to, since not all unit types from the Old World made it into Cities, or got spun off into their own armies). A good way to use Stormcast in a Cities army is to choose units that plug up holes in your strategy. Stormcast do a little of everything well enough that a unit or two can fill a role your army doesn't naturally fill.

[@chaosundividedreborn]

Hell, by picking a certain faction you can have a cities of sigmar army where: 2 in 4 are cities units 1 in 4 is a stormcast and 1 in 4 is a sylvaneth/kharadron overlords/daughters of khaine unit So you can really have a massively mixed army.

[@Bluecho4]

@@chaosundividedreborn Lumineth, too.

[@ejmongrove372]

I wasn't a fan of SCE originally, but that was because I'm not a fan of the hammers of sigmar scheme but man, once I saw how they looked in different colors, I was sold. I now have 2 detolfs of SCE, and I'm expanding my stormhost and their lore with COS

[@Zatiih]

Anvils of the Heldenhammer best color scheme.

[@Bluecho4]

For a while, I've kind of wanted to grab some Stormcast and paint them like stone statues come to life. The lore would be that they're a company that went up against a god-beast called the Ur-Gorgon, a huge snake with a petrifying gaze. The beast was brought to heel, but much of the company were turned to stone (along with hundreds of regular soldiers). They sat in Azyr for a while, as monuments to the fallen, until someone figured out how to animate them. They're still stone, but they can move and fight, which is all you need in a fighting force. If I were to make a full army, it'd probably be a Cities of Sigmar list full of "Stonecast" and loads of historical miniatures as Freeguild. Plus maybe a kitbashed Charybdis to represent the blinded and tamed Ur-Gorgon. A full army of stone.

[@justanotherdreamer.8669]

@@Bluecho4 I know very little about AoS but that is a freaking wild idea😂 I love it

[@candrian7]

When Stormcast first came out I hated them, they were big chunky soulless golems but something clicked when the Sacrosanct models were released and I love them now.

[@PerplexedArmadillo]

We had an Aelf Stormcast in "Soul Wars" and a Duardin Stormcast in "Black Pyramid" btw, but it is worth pointing out that whose where both written by Josh Reynolds who has been let go by GW for "disagreements" over writing. He also was implementing a Beast of Chaos called Ghosteater who essentially was turning to Sigmar. On the Reforging side of things it is not just Nagash that affects the process (he in particular mess's with the "Anvils of Heldenhammer"), The way to think about it is upon death a Stormcast gets Reforged pretty much like a literal broken piece of armor. So when the 6 Smiths look at the broken soul that has come to the forges they re melt it down and try to remove any impurities. So if a Tzeentch sorcerer cut the head from a Liberator afflicting him with change magic from his cursed sword it leaves a slight mark upon them, when the 6 Smiths see this they do their best to purify the soul back to a usable state. The problem is this purifying process can't distinguish between chaos corruption / Nagash's taint / WAAAAGH!! energy or just basic mental trauma of being torn in half by a Jabbaslyth so they just blanket clean it which causes the flaws. The flaws are also not just mental, Some Stormcast come back with translucent skin, multiple voices or just lightning instead of hair. The most famous one (Another Josh Reynolds creation so take with a pinch of salt) is Gardus Steel Soul who essentially with his pure faith in Sigmar acts as a direct link to Azyr which gives other Stormcast or any faithful extreme healing factor and cleansing power. Just some things I wanted to share, most of it is from various books but a lot is from the ttrpg Soulbound.

[@jakerooke174]

I’d honestly see lightning hair as a bonus rather than a bad thing

[@callusklaus2413]

It's highly unlikely that I will ever do AOS, as my salty ass was burned once but That soul degradation is really cool. I would paint a legion to reflect it. I would call it the Marble Host. They are the most unlucky of all stormcast hosts, repeatedly being annihilated to the last in a string of defeats. Their armor has lost its luster along with their souls, ashy dust rubbing off their armor staining tattered cloaks, their breastplates looking like cracked marble, forged back together again and again, molded together with gold like Japanse pottery. Most members have forgotten their previous lives, even forgetting their first years serving Sigmar. They are bound to his will like wraiths, their loyalty replaced with bitterness for something lost they can't quite remember. As a result, they hit like trucks like the other stormcasts, but an anger at what is lost motivates them to crush choas skulls. Feel free to steal the idea or scheme, it's all yours.

[@geoffreyprecht2410]

So, the Lamenters chapter of Space Marines if they had a "respawn but sadder this time" button. I dig it.

[@chuckn4851]

So basically a good-guy army of superpowered, severely schizophrenics and manic-depressives combined. Interesting!

[@callusklaus2413]

@Mister Jane Doe I wish I could, it's just.. man, I had eight thousand points of high elves and three thousand points of Brettonians. It's hard to come back from the feeling after getting burned like that, you know?

[@Mbeluba]

@@callusklaus2413 don't come back, just ingore gw and continue playing warhammer fantasy battles. this new, highly marketable and devoid of substance and style aos is not worth getting into

[@jonathanwatson4484]

That some real dark souls... I love it

[@rivereclipse2186]

God im starting to really like fantasy way way more than 40k

[@nicomurder]

Nooooo why

[@ironduke5058]

More? No. Coming to find that it's actually interesting as well? Yes

[@SOHellKite]

AoS is king

[@teejay1646]

I made my choice the second I saw gloomspite gitz Grateful Dead Goblins won me over after seeing like 3 of their models

[@stratigangames508]

I think I'll always prefer the aesthetic and vibe of the Imperium, but I like the storytelling in Fantasy/AOS better. Guilliman's return definitely made me enjoy the Imperium a lot more. Rather than just being shitbags for the sake of it, it makes it more like the last embers of what once was, burning and fighting to keep the fire burning for a little bit longer, to hold out hope for a better tomorrow, even as that hope grows ever more dim. I never liked the "Everything is shit and will always be shit" mantra of 40k. I like having a tiny shred of hope.

[@candrian7]

You missed out how Stormcast units can be included in Cities of Sigmar armies and vice versa. Suddenly they really do feel like the elite heroes they're supposed to be.

[@andrewnewell1142]

The authors have done lots to make stormcasts more interesting over time

[@galling2052]

Including the notion that occasionally losing does not make a faction worse, but infact better in every way as it gives their struggle meaning... and keeps them far away from turning into plotarmor polluted bland mery sues

[@joshwenn989]

@@galling2052 I think that's genuinely the problem with a lot of wargame fluff - it's very hard to give a faction a very major defeat and then justify them coming back to fight again, especially with all of their special characters still alive (see Vigilus Ablaze for a _really_ blatant bit of plot armour related to this with Abaddon and Calgar

[@M3RUL3Z]

@@galling2052 i'd rather have noblebright paragons that will stay true despite being put through the wringer than douchebags who can't physically lose a single battle (fuck you ultramarines)

[@icholi88]

They will never wash off the blood of WHF nor are they anywhere near as cool as the baroque designs of the Empire or the actual Sigmarite powerhouses of the warriors of Sigmar. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4WuY5Kvhtabpc0

[@LordVader1094]

@@icholi88 Based and true

[@hammer1349]

Vandus Hammerhand, Lord celestant of the Hammers of Sigmar was a blacksmith that fought against chaos warriors with nothing but his tools. Now he rides around on a dracoth and swings a jock off hammer around the place. Was also one of the first stormcast models released and still pretty much holds up to this day

[@birdknight6616]

Honestly, I wish the Sigmarines were less of their own faction and more of a unique version for each god or something, to be elite units in each faction. That would make them stand out a bit from Big E and the Space Marines, I dunno.

[@АрвигБадмаев-и1э]

But each god already have dedicated faction - Sylvaneth for Aralliel, Daughters of Khaine for Morathi, Lumineth for Teclis, Fyreslayers for Grimnir, etc, each having an elite choises for themself. And stormcasts can go with alliance on tabletop with almost any Order faction (apart from Lumineth)

[@birdknight6616]

@@АрвигБадмаев-и1э Well yeah, that's kinda what I mean. GW leans more into those guys as the god-chosen elites rather than JUST Sigmar's boys.

[@FishySpiderGuy]

@@birdknight6616 So chaos legions? You'd end up with your Regular Marines, Death Guard, World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Emp Children... They'd all be nominally the same thing with some different bits attached to them, like Celestials in DnD.

[@phoenixx913]

Well I mean the fact that they are practically immortal and are imbued with a portion of a gods power and just respawn on death makes them pretty unique compared to space marines who aren't immortal and are gone for good when they die. That's a pretty big difference. Space marines are more like normal super soldiers where as the stormcast eternals are more like angels.

[@OnlyRoke]

That sort of is the point tho. Almost every faction has its own Stormcast take, so to speak. Orruks have the Ironjawz, who are just giant Orks that wear a fuckton of armour. Nagash has his bone golems the Ossiarch Bonereapers. The mortal chosen warriors of Chaos (Blightkings, Blood Champions, Myrmidesh, Arcanites) are roughly on the level of a Stormcast as well, and so on.

[@beargrill42]

These videos, along with some others, have really opened my eyes to age of sigmar.

[@bjornancraite2266]

The Imperium has a bit of "not giving a shit about dying" too, living saints like St. Celestine, the Sanguinor, and the legion of the damned, which i personally believe are likely made from the souls of the astartes killed at Istvaan. Chaos just has more of it because of warp fuckery.

[@destructivepanda5226]

At first I was like “meh they’re cool and all” with these guys, but currently I’m in love with them after I realized the Stormcast are basically the Hollows, Slayer of Demons, Hunters, the Tarnished from the Soulsborne series but in AOS These guys are much cooler for me because of that, imma get some and paint them in Dark Souls armors and maybe make my hero Solaire \[T]/

[@anonymysable]

Yes, thank you : you deserve a subscriber for finally being the person that say good things about my golden bois :)

[@zoidsfan12]

I very much understand liking the aesthetic of the Aurelian masks. That is the big thing that stuck out to me about these guys other than them looking like custodes when I first saw them too.

[@lantheeireannach5772]

Sound! Glorious sound! My eardrums are tingling with utter delight! Oh glorious delightful sound!

[@Lampman.]

Ngl I like the WH fantasy more historically accurate armor as many games dont do historic armor justice or make it rusty or over the top or impractical, but seeing fantasy efficient armor straight out of our worlds museum with shiny solid metal round plates colorful plumes and colours and swords idl kinds preferred it over eternals

[@Distruct10]

I feel you, legit my favorite part of WH fantasy was the real life historical and cultural inspirations for many of the factions, government/societies and their equipment while still giving them all a fantasy twist. having more feasible weapons, armor and gunpowder technologies made the world much more engaging and interesting for me, felt more real in a sense.

[@navilluscire2567]

I never understood the whole idea of *"fantasy armor"* as terms, like that's sopposed to have some unspoken or well understood definition or criteria. Why can't armor and weapons look actually functional AND still be blessed by the gods or enchanted by ancient sorcery? Why do people think realistic or believable armor and weapons HAS to look bland or not ornate or not allowed to have that weathered and worn look, *to have that hand me down charm to it?* We have PLENTY of examples of armor that looks baller and flamboyant while STILL not sacrificing much if any practical protection yet most people don't seem to know this. And even for the more "plain" looking stuff I see nothing wrong with someone preferring less flashy stuff, are people just going to ostracize someone for daring to not look like a peacock on steroids and not let them into their dumb little clubhouses? Yeah I can get thematic consistency I have no problem with adhering to that but I feel like there's still plenty of room for those with more modest tastes, that one can appreciate the beauty in more function over form *because functional is beutiful in its own right.* But anyway that's my little rant on the subject, I just hate when people say a well drawn and inspired armor and weapons is somehow not fantasy enough or is too bland just because it doesn't have oversized poldrouns or doesn't include swords literally the size of its wielder!

[@izzymosley1970]

I haven't seen this whole video yet but I'm enjoying it so far and I like how stormcast eternals are made more than space Marines because for being a space Marine you have to basically get Lucky enough for space Marine chapter the recruit you while you're still a child and then get lucky enough survive the training before stormcast eternals you become one due to your actions not where you were born or because you got a magic surgery so I like how stormcast eternals are made more than space Marines.

[@galling2052]

Dude i like how you can explain things in a way that just defuses everything negative i have felt towards it... I mean realy before this i thought Stormcast were just spessmuhrieens which spred their infestation to more media. But now i feel content! and though it pains me as a tyranid fan not to ask for their feature first and formost, I would realy like you to cover primaris and grey knights next, just so i can stop internaly puking each time i see them!

[@pancreasnowork9939]

Glad to hear I could help make them a bit more appealing! Primaris would likely be lumped in with the Space Marines, though I'm still not 100% sure on it. Gray Knights would get their own video though, fear not! And I will of course cover the bugmen one day as well. I love the bugmen.

[@ZombieMonkey7]

Love how you can make a faction sound so cool when I previously had 0 interest/respect for them before even when knowing a bunch about them.

[@oomsou5018]

It took me a bit to warm up to the Stormcast cause I just saw them as Space Marine fantasy edition. But looking a bit deeper and seeing some really sick as hell models I kinda like them. This video was definitely informative and made me appreciate them a little more. Still though nothing will tear me away from my Beast of Chaos army, even if the stormcast have really really cool cavalry.

[@augustocarnevale1900]

4:38 Fantasy was high fantasy as well. The world was artificially created by some aliens to experiment ways to fight back some daemons from another plane of existency. And thats just the beggining 9:19 lol, khorne wishes 15:52 fulmini in italian mean lightning or thunder

[@antoniosanchez-qd4cg]

It's a high fantasy that lasts fantasy

[@kacpadestro8086]

Your definition of high fantasy is bad, following your logic every fantasy is high fantasy

[@augustocarnevale1900]

@@kacpadestro8086 search the meaning of high and low fantasy

[@knightofberenike9633]

Age of Sigmar is best described as Mythic Fantasy, where gods and their spawn wander the world and creation itself is still a primordial collection of elemental realms.

[@saittugrulturhal]

I feel like I remember a similar video, released not to long ago. The suspenseful silence in the beginning really grabbed me. Felt like it lasted a whole video though. Really though, entertaining (and informative) video as always.

[@justahobbiest]

The first 10 minutes of this is Lizardmen. The Slan were the "chosen ones" sent to protect the world with incomparable magics and solely to fight off chaos. Come age of Sigmar they now survive through sheer force of will, a will that spawns their armies in blasts of light from memory, ready to tear chaos apart from conception.

[@brickghandi7921]

I feel like grail knights already fit the bill of souped-up holy knights...

[@navilluscire2567]

And yet they can get shit on because they don't exist anymore...really miss my Not-French chivalry boys.

[@phylax6206]

The Age of Mythology song halfway through the video gave me such an intense, nostalgic flashback.

[@yashisako8274]

1:30 how dare you! Cadia stands!

[@Warmaster2001]

As daemon world mhehehe)

[@zedmercury2605]

Honestly them being fantasy space marines really does kill them for me. There are individual things I enjoy about them, their flawed resurrection being my favorite part about them, but I have a negative opinion of them overall.

[@АрвигБадмаев-и1э]

12:50 While I really liked your video, I think you made a mistake when assuming its Nagash who makes stormcast' souls fade away. Stormcasts souls are unreachable for Nagash - thats why he is so angry over their theft. Stormcasts with lost memories and adequate morality exist because of process of Reforging itself. When soul is reforged, all its inpurities are cleansed and replaced with Azyrite magic of heavens. While first two or three reforging can be ok, the more it goes on, the more parts of human soul will be replaced with Azyr magic as a mistake, due to process of reforging veing very traumatic - untill former human is turned into something resembling half-elemental. Before Soul Wars a whole order of stormcast mages did nothing but helped reforged souls to keep themself intact. Also they hunted down all souls, that went insane after reforging and turned into lightning gheists. But after Nagash' fuckery with magic of the realms themself, almost all stormcast wizards were sent into battlefield. So now situation with fading souls is even worse, and there's no clear solution of it.

[@samuelrodriguez9801]

Actually it's the reforging process and Nagash pulling on the soul because he wants it really badly. With every death a Stormcast loses a part of themselves.

[@АрвигБадмаев-и1э]

@@samuelrodriguez9801 well yes, stormcast when a part of stormcast's soul is lost, its replaced with Azyrite magic, but soul itself will just went into ambient magic of the realms - skipping afterlife stage of the cycle. The only way Nagash can get a hold of stormcast's souls is through extreme magical artefacts, like some of the weaponry of his Nighthaunt ghosts.

[@kommando293]

Ah Sigmarines... the most Marine of the Sig's..... Personally if I player AoS, I'm playing either All Skeleton Army Nagash, Ossariach Bonereapers, or Skaven with Pike and Shotte because hehe My Stormvermin formations have now become Spanish Tercios. Also i'd like to see something on the Bonereapers. They look the coolest to me

[@RezTheKing]

0:35 The lamenters would like a word with you 😊

[@holygreedo5699]

Didn't Bretonnia have nearly immortal, super soldier knights first?

[@CyrodiilCome]

Yes and then GW wrote them out because you can't have two super soldiers

[@pancreasnowork9939]

Yes but you see Bretonnia is bad

[@navilluscire2567]

@@CyrodiilCome Just goes to show you can have SUPER warriors in a warhammer setting that DON'T have to look like wannabe SPACE marines or warriors of Chaos but 'good'/whitewashed.

[@AsbestosMuffins]

the interesting thing about stormcast is 1) they explode when they die (or more accurately sigmar grabs them in an explosion of power) so uh, killing them is a bit difficult 2) they never truly die, they'll be reforged over and over until there's nothing left, but most haven't died that many times

[@wademccormick4371]

Love that you play age of empires/age of mythology music!! Takes me back to happy place

[@Bluecho4]

Stormcast are, in many ways, the "fixed" Space Marines. In the sense that GW has, for years, badly wanted heroic warrior characters that can fight evil for great justice. The problem is their usual go-to - the Space Marines - are explicitly the violent arm of a repressive, fundamentalist, xenophobic fascist state. This was true even when the Emperor was leading them, the Imperium was always fascist. Which means even for the relatively less evil Marine chapters - Lamenters, Salamanders, etc - they're still that violent arm of fascism, and thus further that corrupt regime's goals. GW has been torn, in this way, between the satire of fascism 40K is meant to be, and the desire to have unambigious heroes. They try to have their cake and eat it, too, leading to a tonal disconnect between how they market their products and what the lore says. The Stormcast Eternals were built from the ground up to solve many of the issues with Space Marines that GW can't really fix at this point. Sigmar, while a war god whose own realm dabbles a bit in repressive authoritarianism, is largely a good guy who means well and tries to help. The Stormcast themselves are heroic by default, with being evil or merciless killers an optional trait that even other Stormcast look askance at. They can be men or women, or from any species (though the kits give you no modeling options for non-human heads). You don't need to worry about them dying off due to a lack of geneseed, and indeed they come back as many times as you need to (so long as the reforging process isn't botched). This is why I don't really mind that Stormcast are, for all intents and purposes, Space Marines in a fantasy setting. Which they absolutely are, don't kid yourself. They're Space Marines, but they're Space Marines without being tied down to creative decisions made in the 80s. And they can be exactly what both GW and most fans want: big strong heroes that can fight evil.

[@CosmicFreedoms]

Fascist and authoritarian aren't interchangeable btw

[@Bluecho4]

@@CosmicFreedoms I didn't say they were. But, of course, the end goal of all fascism is to create a rigidly hierarchical society where rights are stripped from most people, enforced violently. Where the word of the elite is absolute, and failure to adhere to it punished severely. While not every authoritarian state is fascist, all fascism has an authoritarian spirit.

[@bocchithean-cap3404]

A) gtfo leftist B) it's a fanatic theocratic state and if you disregard hive cities and other shit worlds people generally live good lives C) I too would have been a little bit xenophobic if every living organism under the sun wanted to rapture my anal column

[@nicolocorbellani9807]

@@bocchithean-cap3404you're salty , that's good. stay angry spwace marine fanboy.

[@bocchithean-cap3404]

@@nicolocorbellani9807 no I'm just insulting a leftist If he was defending imperium I'd have argued for the opposite

[@doctoradventure413]

I actually really like stormcast eternals but I’m just not interested in AOS as a setting compared to fantasy

[@wickedAberration]

@Walberg Veríssimo ZOOOOOOS

[@krampusthestoryteller1416]

How much have you investigated the setting?

[@Sorain1]

It occurs to me that just having part of the End Times not being 'Chaos wins lol' be 'Sigmar made Stormcast Eternals and no one was expecting that.' would have close to a best of both worlds situation going on. Heck, just explaining all the massively high fantasy new stuff as 'The Winds of Magic are a lot more active now and thus this is practical' would be a sufficient (general) explanation.

[@larryjenkins20]

I love your stuff man, it doesn't even matter what the video's about, it's always entertaining

[@EbonFang_92]

I love the Stormcast, and this video just made me want to see them in a freaking movie

[@elliottreadings8029]

This video gives more attention to Stormcast than GW has ever given to my baby the Flesh Eater Courts. Great stuff as always haha...ha...

[@CaptainPoseidon282]

0:38 The Eldar child was evil though

[@zombiethezerker]

The amount of stormcast I've killed with my ironjawz makes me think there armor isn't that great but that new lighting strike on death is bullshit

[@tymoteuszkosinski5352]

I'm watching while painting stormcast, this is awesome, please do more AoS content

[@Tonba1]

0:38 you leave a couple and they'll breed a couple more and soon we'll be hating twice as many as before

[@ki3657]

I really like AoS designs & setting. It fixes all the struggles I have getting into fantasy. Sure it's not as great with it's lore but in terms of actually wanting to own figures, AoS really hooked me. I only buy grey plastic to paint it up & state at it (and rarely play a homebrew) and fantasy just never made me want to shell out. AoS has. I find almost all of it's factions super cool and I find the setting infinitely more interesting than 40k's "constantly circle the same bs imperium first stories for 20 years". I find fantasy's lore far more interesting than AoS but I just don't want to play or own fantasy models so GW probably made the right call on that. I own more fantasy novels than I ever will models and I always kinda thought fantasy was a great world with superb lore but there's just too much detail. You just can't homebrew in whatever you want and AoS really fixed that.

[@halflifeger4179]

AoS also has great mechanics if you're ever interested in playing

[@bahamut256]

16:40 Leonard Schroeder was the first man to set foot on Normandy beach during D-day. He not only survived the entire war but lived to the respectable age of 90. Though he did take two bullets in the arm for his efforts.

[@pubfriendthegreat1259]

Vulkan burned an eldar child? Great work, this is why he's the best.

[@lincolngillespie3925]

respect for choosing an actually good sabaton song

[@ginorisso1169]

"Why don't you fulminate some bitches" is the line that got me to subscribe. Amazing.

[@EarlofSalop]

I didn’t think this channel could get any better and then you played sabaton

[@adrielgarcia1185]

videos like these make me consider playing sigmar, good job!

[@christophersmith8848]

To this day, my favorite thing about watching Age of Sogmar videos is all the Fantasy fans bitterly posting comments about how they hate the setting, it's like a game all on it's own.

[@BagsyBoi]

Weird thing to compliment, but Jesus Pancreas your soundtracks slap. Age of Mythology, Age of Empires, Sunless Sea; it's a nostalgia trip I never want to end. Oh and great video, here's to lightning Prius's.

[@maciek.u]

I have been waiting many years for Sigmarines

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

My friend, you *have* to do Idoneth now. Sure, at first they may seem very similar to Drukhari but they are so, so unique and so cool it'd be great to see 6ou do a video on them

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

He did it

[@falsehero2001]

“Vulkan torched an Eldar child.” I’m still waiting for the argument that he isn’t a force for good.

[@SamueL-td7fb]

And he did it because his school shooting gremlin of a brother was being extra unpleasant to be around that day

[@thecomentingcat6280]

*ahem* it is bad to burn children alive

[@keller480]

age of mythology theme on the background MAN this brings back memories

[@Burgerzaza]

Sigmar bless this ravaged body and craft it into a 7 foot tall super warrior wearing enough gorgeous super metal armor to build a smart car made from the remnants of the old world sent to smash chaoses ugly face in with badass lighting strikes

[@hades_deathgod9496]

Super keen to see more AoS vids

[@Glandorray]

This is the first time I've given this lore a chance. I fucking LOVE it.

[@Pokecroc]

Not how I thought this video was gonna open, but okay. Really happy to see more AoS stuff. I'll always be down to shit on Stormcast, but I do respect their lore. It really helps them stand out from the Space Marines. I quote Josh Reynolds each time I get in an argument about them. Also, my big bois were mentioned. Makes me do a happy.

[@274pacific]

There’s plenty (PLENTY) of grimdark elsewhere in AOS; it’s not a big deal that the SE are a on the shiny side.

[@Basil_Ghothickovitch]

I love Warhammer Age of Sigmar very much, although for my cold county the new miniatures too expensive that I can't buy everything I wanted. It's good that I had a lot of old fantasy models that I bought for 40k conversions - but now they live in the Mortal Realms on round bases. And I will improve my Age of Sigmar collection by this way furher! (It's a shame that GW is so bad at support Legends rules). Speaking of Stormcasts, they are absolutely beautiful. To be honest, what is the main pleasure of Warhammer? This is the invention of my own unique, never seen before Space Marine Chapter. And I have the utmost respect for the opportunity to do it again in a better new world. And most importantly, Shtrmcasts are real heroes without jokes - they fight against the toxicity of the entire spiteful real world. I can't help but sympathize with them.

[@brandtconor1]

Make a Do or Don't on the Necrons Mr. Pancreas!

[@nightfire734]

Never seen such positive talk about Stormcast.

[@kristofevarsson6903]

*_SABATON DETECTED_* *_INITIATING SUBSCRIBER SEQUENCE_*

[@zjjohnson3827]

Hearing a obscure Sabaton song playing in the background made my day

[@geoffreyprecht2410]

40k is super grimdark. The grimmest and darkest, according to GW. No hope, no "good guys," just war and sadness. Fantasy was grimdark, but with a lot of people just fighting for survival. There were definitely good guys, heroes even, but less of them had superpowers or superhero origin stories like all the cool 40k characters. AoS has the Sigmarines to be those superheroes who are actually good guys. I know people who dislike 40k specifically because it lacks hope, but the SCE are the (almost) unambiguous heroes who are fighting the good fight against the bad guys. You know, like GW keeps trying to pretend that the (fascist, xenophobic, genocidal) Adeptus Astartes are. I want GW to go back to treating Space Marines like the assholes they canonically are. Focus the hero stuff here, in AoS, where it belongs. Some people want their little plastic army men to actually be the good guys, and GW has found a way to make that happen while keeping it grim and dark. Yes, the foreseeable future of the setting is all war and sadness, but this time there's hope, which distinctly sets it apart from 40k. These videos have really sold me on AoS, and even though I don't plan on buying any SCE in the future, I'll at least have more respect for my opponent the next time I'm playing against Siggie's Golden Boys at my LGS. Besides, think of all the Space Marine conversions you can make with all these compatible SCE parts! The kitbashes must be pretty great at least, right? Not worth nuking the Fantasy setting, but it's cool anyway.

[@KickBAc3]

But GW aren't pretending, though. It's pretty much intended. It's basically a confirmed unspoken rule that almost any stories regarding any faction is propaganda for that faction. GW are not pretending that Space Marines are good guys, they fully intend for them to look as Good Guys because that's what propaganda is suppose to be. Other stories with other races do this as well. Craftworld Eldar stories often view Craftworld Eldar as sages full of wisdom when in reality, they're assholes talking out of their ass. They often would say that humanity was one of the greatest source of pure evil because of the Culuxes Assassins like they just didn't witness their race birth a Chaos God. Hell, at least Space Marines in general has the decency to call Craftworld Eldar as Eldars, Craftworld Eldars will call any human or anything that comes from humanity a slur.

[@navilluscire2567]

@@KickBAc3 Then they're doing a piss poor job of making that clear then. Because alot of the novels read like it's an OBJECTIVE fact that the Imperium is in the right and by extension the SPACE marines are near unbeatable who can crush anyone with ease. I definitely don't get the impression that the Imperium is on the back foot, barely holding things together when they seem to win most of the time, get more accomplished, and more importantly win victories that actually matter in the grand scheme of things, especially the SPACE marines who always seem to come out on top even after suffering horrendous casualties which don't seem to matter all that much because by the next GREAT big Important battle a somewhat devastated chapter is right back to kicking ass like nothing happened so even their losses don't seem to have lasting consequences. Oh and for the LOVE of the ashole-EMPEROR can writers not resort to raiming big ass ships or space fortresses to win things, just once I'd like to see raiming huge stuff NOT actually work. Seriously that seems like the go to thing when they've written themselves into a corner and need to advance the plot.

[@KickBAc3]

@@navilluscire2567 I don't get your point. I just said that whatever main faction that are used in the novel are pretty much propaganda for that faction. You just admitted that they're doing the propaganda correctly.

[@navilluscire2567]

@@KickBAc3 I mean more out of universe, as in the way it's written by the writers doesn't make it clear at all that the way a faction is presented is actually propaganda and that we are expected by them to take everything written at face value or as objective fact. And therein lies the disconnect, GW claims one thing but contradicts it with their expanded works.

[@KickBAc3]

@@navilluscire2567 The fact you can't discern it means they are quite effective with the propaganda. That's the point of writing a good propaganda piece, you're suppose to have a hard time thinking it's propaganda. Imperial Books are suppose to make the Imperium look good, no shock. But then when you read books that aren't focused on the Imperium (like Path of the Warrior), you start to notice that the view point in that perspective doesn't look like how it's written down in the Imperial Books and that the Imperium is actually an incompetent faction of pure evil while the main faction of that book is the sole good thing left in the Galaxy. It's as if they are writing propaganda. The only other books that doesn't do that are mostly from writers where the novel flopped because the main faction book isn't used as a propaganda material and is mainly used to make another faction look good.

[@wiciu4073]

Thanks for providing music titles, dude, you're my perfect Shazam :*

[@gregburrow3350]

Really looking forward to any new videos in this series

[@meganobgutzkraka2398]

oooo if we're going to start getting do's and don'ts for Age of Sigmar this is going to get VERY interesting (i mean i know skaven started this i think, but they're from Old World and are literally the same models for alot of the army), obviously i'm hyped for the orcs- or sorry Orruks...ech... but actually learning about the other armies is going to be fun! I never got into AoS, but with GW consistently shanking it's 40k fans and pushing them away i heard two options: Battletech, or AoS. so hey fuck it teach me oh wise ones

[@AutisticAlchoholic]

Love yah man!

[@SWBGTOC]

"I can't imagine myself swinging a hammer the size of a man in a lava field the size of Manhattan fighting millions of slaves of dark gods." Skill issue, I can

[@Mr39hope]

thanks for making this video, im surprised you didnt mentioned *teleports 3 ballistas behind you*, but yeah i love my golden boys

[@tabletopgamingwithwolfphototec]

💕 *Please do a "Do or Don't : Nighthaunt.*

[@bienwest7849]

Oh baby it’s the guy he’s talking about them it’s the guy about them.

[@bjornpolivka5774]

Vulkan torched a space elf child? Sounds like a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

[@carbodude5414]

If you want more people to buy your good guy faction, then you have to make sure they look as cool, if not, cooler than your evil faction of big dudes in cool armor Including women in the ranks is a big plus

[@ryanvouche254]

For simps

[@sirnotawesome]

Honestly, I wish I could take AOS and the stormcast seriously but I don’t know a single person who plays it outside of Internet personalities. My LGS still has all of its Dominion copies, and that lumineth army box still on its shelves and I’m pretty sure Dominion was Selling Fast! For like 3 months before GW quietly took it off the front page. It just doesn’t even feel like something worth getting into, or even splitting a box with a friend to see what it’s about. If anyone can spare the time please tell me what makes AOS worth it to you?

[@augustocarnevale1900]

Its a fun game, the past 2-3 years of lore are Amazing, the models are outstanding. I play Gloomspite gitz, orruks and gargants

[@TheVergoner]

Honestly it's whole free spirit nature that the models, game and lore has. We have 8 different Realms to explorer with only imagination as it's limit. This is also true with models too IMO. Like with Cities of Sigmar you can build very personal army out of models what that faction has. (And don't let me start with kitbash and conversion opportunities that it provides.) I play Cities of Sigmar, Stormcast Eternals, Daughters of Khaine and Tzeenth. And unlike in Fantasy there is no big reasoning why and how some faction face on one of the other. Like for example Lizardmen vs Tomb Kings. I honestly can't imagination good reason why either of the would traver all the from their homelands to figth each other. 🤷‍♂️😅 (Though no game really need explanation why or how just to have a good game😁👍)

[@posie6319]

Great content buddy you're going to get big

[@ImperatorZor]

Fulminated Mercury is the substance used in percussion caps. It's development meant that firearms were no longer dependent on mechanisms such as flintlocks or matchlocks.

[@giovannisantostasi9615]

One thing that is not often commented about them is that they are basically Roman Army troops. Their names are based on Latin (that for an Italian the meaning is so obvious), like Fulminators, fulmine = lightening in Italian.

[@heladodevainiya344]

Can't wait for you to do Fyreslayers :)

[@samv.l.5819]

Big respect for the og Sabaton song in the background