Do Public Schools Really Suck? Don't Ask Me, Ask the Teachers.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

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[@ltarmenia4ever]

Equality in failure vs inequality in success. That's a great mini quote.

[@tombrown5508]

Teachers fear competition. Competition would reveal how bad at their jobs they really are. They give zero fucks about the kids.

[@radagast7200]

Ever read Harrison Bergeron by Vonnegut. It's not a long read, but it's a good one.

[@Curly_Maple]

​@@tombrown5508 - That's a gross overstatement. Now, the administrators in offices outside the schools who run the system? Yes, those people, for the most part, don't care about the kids - at least the kids are low on their priority list. They care about keeping the system running at all costs - even by moving the system in directions away from what is best for the students in the system. But most teachers do care about kids. Even though many of them are completely wrong in their thinking and actually doing harm in some cases, they do care about the kids. But the more nasty slander shown towards teachers like what you displayed in your comment, the more and more competent people will continue to leave the profession. And for every one of us competent teachers who leave, you get another green or purple haired activist teaching the kids. Competent people don't have to take the crap. These others are happy to have a teaching position, because what else are they going to do? The problem is the system. The teachers don't run the system - they just work within it. Aim your anger higher up.

[@Gitn2it]

It's not what students know when they graduate from high school that matters. It's when they realize how much they don't know.

[@stevewoitas7217]

The public school system acts in the interest of the public school system, not the public in general.

[@k.chriscaldwell4141]

You are wise.

[@annegranata9055]

100%. Gotta love the early release now once a month.

[@makiss.2597]

Yes. That is every bureaucracy because to lead a bureaucracy you must be a ruthless psychopath or the system will chew you up and spit you out. Very Machiavellian.

[@makiss.2597]

Perhaps we can go further and say it only serves the psychopaths at the head of these bureaucracies. You cannot be nice and normal to climb the ruthless bureaucratic ladder.

[@elizabethl6187]

The school system enriches the administrators, textbook publishers, etc. The teachers enrich the unions. The unions enrich politicians. None of this is for the students. They are pawns.

[@rorypotatochip1373]

They always claim to be against bullies. Oh the irony

[@WinkLinkletter]

It's gross how they latch on to actual problems actual kids have to bolster their agendas.

[@GabrielleTollerson]

ikr!!

[@noahjwhite]

The amount of money and resources spent “educating” the bottom 1% of students is obscene.

[@davidsingh6944]

Bottom 1% 😂 What are you? A Wannsee Republican 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@SoloRenegade]

gov is only required to ensure everyone has ACCESS to an education. The gov need not PROVIDE that education, and in fact SHOULD NOT provide education themselves.

[@radagast7200]

​@SoloRenegade the government is required to not hinder access to education. Our government is supposed to operate on negatives, meaning things they're NOT allowed to do. Not things the government (aka taxpayers) owe you.

[@davidsingh6944]

@@radagast7200 in a society where people can’t explain Habeas Corpus to a fifth grader Government does what it wants and follows its nature of self interest.

[@kirkmarusak7800]

@SoloRenegade In the early 19th century, most of the United States had no requirement for American children to attend any classes or school. Wealthy families and bisiness owners sent their children to private schools or hired a tutor to teach their children. There is nothing worse than having most of the population being illiterate or semi illiterate. Then, education reformers worked to ensure public schools were established to educate the majority of Americans. State governments later began mandating public school attendance up to a certain age. Getting the government out of education is going to ensure children and teenagers are educated? How will that work? Billionaire and multi millionaire opponents of public schools and advocates of school choice, such Charles Koch of Koch Industries and Former Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, are trying to eliminate public schools to get a tax cut. It is not enough that they are wealthy, but they want to obtain more money even if it eliminates educating the majority of Americans. Who wants to return to an illiterate nation? I met numerous people who quit school at 16 and younger. The U.S. gains nothing when people are incapable of making beneficial decisions throughout their lives. The countries with the most educated population have people with more skills, and there is less crime. You might reconsider your position of getting the government out of schools.

[@JP-xq7fo]

I was going to school to be a teacher as a TA in public schools… Every single teacher told me to RUN! Thank goodness I listened. They saved my sanity.

[@rufusconnolly8489]

You might have helped to defend our schools from these Marxist pests.

[@Curly_Maple]

I was basically told the same thing by some veteran teachers during my first year as a public high school teacher. Though there have been some really rewarding times and events over the years (almost two decades now), there are consistent, lasting low periods that make me think I should have listened. I don't encourage any young people to pursue teaching as a career. It's a system run by people described in this video - most people with an education degree aren't the cream of the crop. But those are the people who rise to leadership positions. People who haven't done much in life and only know the education system. They keep making the same mistakes because it's what they know. It's what they've been fed, and all they've been fed. As someone who came in from a different industry, it can be quite maddening and frustrating to say the least.

[@theboombody]

I tried it. 18 years ago. I lasted 2 months. Can't ever go back unless DRASTIC changes are made. Simply can't. And I know for a fact those changes haven't been made in the interim. In fact, smart phones made things worse.

[@mikedmoon2]

I realized it while I was in teachers college almost 30 years ago. I can only imagine it's gotten much much worse

[@cooperwesley1536]

I was a proud ed major in college back in the early 90s. During my observation period at a local high school, I switched majors. The teachers warned me against teaching... and not just me. Most of my classmates were getting the same advice from teachers they were shadowing. To this day, I have no regrets.

[@perrykeshahwalker5321]

We need to bring back trades in high school. Most children are not going to be College material as we have seen by the useless degrees that some of these young people have gotten through the years. They would have been better off getting a trade as an electrician, HVAC tech, a auto mechanic or any other service type of blue collar job. They would have been happier as well with no debt from student loans.

[@brianbauer8761]

Career academy education opportunities are definitely needed

[@treydog317]

My high school had a careers center attached to the school where you could take classes for auto repair, auto body repair, home building and many more.

[@cheddar2648]

De-centralization. More trade programs. More variety. More menu options. Less one-size-fits-all.

[@jenniferpearce1052]

And we need to stop telling students they are "less than" if they get blue collar jobs

[@RayneyKayLa]

I realized a shot while ago that the powers that be DONT WANT kids to graduate knowing how to do any of those independent hands on skills. They want workers. They KNOW kids need more hands on real world skills...it's INTENTIONALLY left out. And one of two shop classes aren't enough.

[@mickeyd4038]

My Mom taught in public schools for more than 4 decades before retiring, with a doctorate, because first grade was what she LOVED to teach. When she started teaching, she says that other than teachers you had only a very small number of non-teaching school employees in a typical school (e.g. principal, asst. principal, receptionist, janitors, cafeteria workers). By the time she retired, her school had over 14 people in "administration" at the elementary school, even though the school was virtually the same size as it was when she started. All of these roles were counted in the "teacher" part of the student/teacher ratios that were touted publicly. My Mom had no idea what many of these people did. Public schools have, sadly, become a money-pit largely because the teacher's unions treat them as nothing but a money-grab. There are many amazing, wonderful teachers in the public schools, but I suspect that group is slowly being ground down (and out) by the machine that wants mediocrity (or worse) in order to mask the abject failure that our public schools have largely become. FYI - my Mom thought the union was a valuable resource when she was early in her career, but she came to loathe the union and its misplaced goals as her career progressed. She now considers the unions as the number one adversary of excellence in schools.

[@KJ-nv9uz]

I think her assessment of the machine and union have is spot on and unfortunately has crept and taken over many institutions.

[@FlynnMorrow81]

Thank you for your insight!

[@NightMourningDove]

Yeah unions get bad when they lose their vision of what made them good before.

[@thundermolloy]

as a teacher, the big issues is parents refusing to parent, unions protecting idiots who don't teach, and admins being more obsessed with school image and buzzwords than results.

[@larissaalcorn3406]

Tough to parent your children when 80-90% of their time is spent in the school system. Especially for those working multiple jobs.

[@Michelle-sl9gj]

I agree. I see tons of parents at sports events but barely any at parent teacher conferences.

[@ashleyarlo]

@@larissaalcorn3406no- the parenting needs to happen when students are young. Students that are exposed to language/experiences and actual parenting before kindergarten are set up for success statistically. This is absolutely a parenting problem.

[@AdiraChereEtheredge]

its been like that for a while. possibly before millenials started school. same stuff different generation.

[@elizabethnichols2284]

I'm a former public school teacher who now teaches for free in my kids' weekly homeschool co-op. It's full of extremely educated and engaged moms who do the same. That's at least one good alternative to the terrible challenges within the public school system.

[@gator7082]

The problem with public sector unions is that nobody is at the negotiating table for the taxpayer.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

You nailed it.

[@larissaalcorn3406]

Actually, that IS the responsibility of the school board. Unfortunately, once board members are elected, they tend to ignore that responsibility.

[@helixxharpell]

I look at this simplistically.. Most public schools ARE WAY TOO LARGE.. Absolutely WAY TOO LARGE. When the ratio of kids to teachers goes down then we will see a return to accountability. On the kids, the teachers and the school board! People may disagree with thus but most schools are way too large.

[@Dan16673]

Yup. Daughter goes to k -8 school of 300. Like a big family and can do great things

[@greasechoreography5501]

And the parents!

[@Xerock]

except no one is going to fund new schools and the requirements for teaching is too high with too little reward

[@nunyabidness3075]

@@XerockYou must not be paying attention. New schools are being built all over.

[@SoloRenegade]

I totally agree. smaller schools, smaller class sizes, smaller organizational structures....

[@hoi-polloi1863]

A couple thoughts... * The key advantage of private (and most charter) schools is that they can send disruptive students and bad teachers away * The key weakness of public schools, besides the above, is that they can't discipline the kids * Basing all salary/promotion on time-in-service is a recipe for mediocracy at best

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Great thoughts. All true.

[@TheresaReichley]

Can’t or won’t? There’s a difference. And I think the same is true of the rest of the issues in public education- the teachers, principals, parents, and kids don’t give a crap about education. This doesn’t happen as much in other countries. Kids in Asia and Europe kick our kids asses in educational attainment. Most HS graduates of public school would struggle with a text written at a tenth grade level. Most top out at functional literacy which is a 6th grade level of reading. Basically read a fairly simple text (let’s say it’s an instruction sheet on how to bake. And they read something like that and can pick out main ideas. In other countries, they can teach the vast majority of kids to read well. This includes Japan where there are three complete writing systems that a student has to learn. Public schools in Japan can teach kids to read kanji and both types of kana and we can’t teach ours to read alphabetic English. The same is true in maths. Any kid in Europe or Asia, even the kids that those systems don’t think can handle university can absorb pretty complex algebra concepts. They can understand statistics and probability. These abilities allow their kids to understand sciences. They can do it and do it in public schools. What’s changed is that basically everyone passes whether or not anyone learns anything, everyone is college bound no matter what, and failure is a dirty word. Which means that there’s no feedback. If a poorly performing student were either sent down to a lower track (say for trades) he and his parents get a wake up call. Either he does his studies and works harder to learn the material, or he doesn’t go to college. Second removing those students from the mainstream classes means fewer disruptions, less acting out, and more learning. Finally, it allows truly gifted students to do much more advanced learning than they can now because they aren’t held back by the slowest kid in the class who can barely add.

[@skylinefever]

@@TheresaReichley I wonder how many people in East Asia marry and plan all their kids. How few just ended up forgetting out condoms and ending up making stupid kids?

[@MamaMOB]

Tenure is the worst thing I've ever heard of! If you're not good at your job you should lose it. I don't care how long you've been doing it. If anything that just begs the question have you ever been good at it? I went to school with a teacher who was about 80 years old Aunt death from age. Whenever she turned her back all of the students in the class would just out loud make fun of her. She was an elderly white woman and a majority black school. It was ridiculous she was allowed to continue teaching. But she had tenure!

[@MamaMOB]

​@@TheresaReichleyThey can't. It's called tenure.

[@Commock90]

I've been an educator for almost a decade. I teach at a public school, but I do not have a sycophantic devotion to the public school system. One important dimension of the conversation of educational rights that is often missing is the responsibility of the learner. I have worked in title 1 schools with immense financial resources but low levels of academic achievement. The vast majority of these students fail to achieve academically because they are incorrigible. They don't attend to lessons, don't complete classwork, homework (many of my colleagues have stopped assigning it altogether because students never complete the work), and fail to take accountability for their learning. The attitudes of the students, parents, and the community also play a huge role in the success of a school.

[@chillinginthefrozennorth]

I was in a school like what you describe. The issue wasn't the teachers, it was the students and their parents. I wonder a if possible solution would entail allowing schools to issue what I would term an expulsion certificate to troublesome students, basically stating their time in the school system is over until they are adults and they are not to even think of setting foot on school property as they have no reason to do so. Unfortunately, that's only a bandaid to a more severe problem: it's been estimated that half the kids born in the USA are unwanted and unplanned for.

[@larissaalcorn3406]

It's not surprising that a person has that attitude toward something they are forced to do and is viewed as "free." It's structured to feel like prison, it goes against the natural way children learn, and most of the employees look down on them the way you've described them here. Why should they respect this system when it doesn't respect them back?

[@debblouin]

How much of this is a result of compulsory education laws?

[@ashleyarlo]

@@larissaalcorn3406then why does it work in some neighborhoods and not others- if it’s so unnatural? We are all teaching the same stuff. But some kids are successful and that is mostly based on where they live….

[@derekwhite9932]

Basic Logic, When 1 side has monopoly, it will go awful..

[@Dionysus-gv9lz]

Indeed, monopoly, centrally planned economy, central bank - government bond financed public sector.

[@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals]

As a retired NYC public school teacher, I tell you, I had direct contact with Randi Weingarten when she was the head of the UFT, the city teachers union. She defended an assistant teacher who was sleeping during the school day. We teachers were supposedly this woman's supervisors, but we literally could not wake her up. Then said woman accuses us of stuff, harasses us in the hallways about it, and our school union rep would do nothing about it. Would not schedule a meeting even. I left that school and landed in a place where the parents complained that I "taught too much science." Just crazy. But, I taught children to read, write, do basic math with confidence and my speciality, I taught them the basics of science observation and scientific method.

[@camgere]

Excellent! The scientific method: Observation, Classification, Hypothesis, Testing, (reflection). English, the common story: character, conflict, context, try and fail (up to 3 times), then try and fail (tragedy) or succeed (smiles). Math story problems can follow the same story line: John borrows $10 and buys a book for $8. He auctions it online and it goes for $6. He buys a lamp for $6 and auctions it for $5. He buys a comic book for $6 and sells it for $4. He buys a lamp for $5 and sells it for $100. Can he pay back the loan and have money left over? English and math.

[@kathyg4906]

Our kids went to public charter school that drew from diverse communities. Lots of my kids classmates graduated and were first in their family to go to college. A Stanford study maybe 10 years ago found public charter schools most effective method for helping children learn and achieve more from poor communities. Competition is good. One of our kids became a teacher and left the profession after a few years due to poor administration that focused on teaching things other than learning.

[@sjf426]

You “taught too much science”!!!!! I’m over here audibly howling! They lost a good one in you.

[@radagast7200]

You're not supposed to teach the scientific method... you're suppose to teach The Science.

[@trickledown808]

@@kathyg4906 Charter schools are a blessing. I just hope they don't get infiltrated by 'activists' like everything else.

[@solavita306]

Hand in hand with 'no taxation without representation' we should have every expectation that education, which we pay taxes for, follows the same point. Education should reflect the desires of the parents, not The Government.

[@JC-Utopic-Gauntlet]

I taught one computer science class at the local highschool. They had no computers so we did a kick off on the product and a round table brainstorm on how to automate the government away. The kids loved it. I was not invited back.

[@davidsingh6944]

I was a School Teacher at the Gerald R Ford Job Corps Center in Grand Rapids Michigan and was fired after I defended a child that was Raped by a staff member and then forced to get an abortion. The Rapist continued to be employed, my family became homeless.

[@mikametcalf3783]

My god that is horrible. But sadly I believe it. All the same people who have given me grief for homeschooling also sat around and every one of us had had at least one creepy teacher who was inappropriate with students. It tried to point out the hypocrisy of them calling me paranoid.

[@WeighedWilson]

Where did the union stand on your situation?

[@cheddar2648]

I am sorry this happened to you.

[@infintyplus]

davidsingh6944 how do you teach the dumb kids?

[@vickieslot3454]

Why didn’t the family go after the school?

[@sdrc92126]

$0.5M is spent on every class. $17,500/student X 24 students per class. Where is all of the money going? I could teach 4 kids in my living room for $80k/year and guarantee that they'll pass the GED by the 8th grade.

[@RuffiRaggaMuff]

District I’m at spends on average 11.5k per student. We are in the top 10 for the entire county. Adjacent school have ballooned to 22.5k with most kids not being proficient in math and/or reading

[@sdrc92126]

@@RuffiRaggaMuff The #1 ranked private high school school in my state was very 'poor' compared with nearby competing high schools. It did not have sports facilities or amenities like cafeterias or auditoriums and the teachers. I have a hard time thinking of anything necessary in schools that costs a lot of money

[@RuffiRaggaMuff]

@@sdrc92126 special Ed services and transportation I think is the bulk but there is also administration. It’s getting out of control.

[@nancyroberts8749]

@@RuffiRaggaMuff I don't know about that. Both my brothers are legally blind. They each graduated high school without ever having access to their textbooks in large print,braille, or audio files! I can't tell you about the thousands of pages of their school books I had to read to them. Largest budget item; hardly. However, the definition of disabled students has ballooned ridiculously.

[@RuffiRaggaMuff]

@@nancyroberts8749 as usually my comment is deleted. I’m assuming you responded to me saying admin and special Ed but no idea because my comment is gone. Either way it’s the salaries mostly

[@cateclism316]

The real issue is that public schools would lose taxpayer money if the government let citizens have their hard-earned money back for private schools.

[@fishmonger7020]

That’s called competition in the free market. Bad schools need to compete or they’ll fail. That’s the whole point. The rich can just buy a house in a better district anyway.

[@BlackMatt2k]

We just need to hire the same people who've been promising to fix schools since I was in school. They have the experience.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

LMFAO. Brilliant!

[@SuperHellonwheels]

As a former public school parent and now going into the 4th year of homeschooling parent, our education system is a mess. I truly feel sorry for public school kids. Thank you for speaking out on this and being a voice for the voiceless. Homeschooling gets a bad name from public school pressure. Public schools take the freedom out of our life. Get rid of teacher unions, they work for the teacher not the child.

[@ellenbrown579]

Dumbest kids in college were education majors. Best teachers are masters in their field with passion for the subject.

[@cateclism316]

Yep. "One size fits all" education....doesn't!

[@fishmonger7020]

Agreed. I’m very worried about this problem of licensing. A teachers license is such trash. I could not care less whether someone has a degree. I want people that demonstrated ability in the real world to then come back and teach that subject. We’ve made that impossible in K-12

[@Bbbmurr]

The old saying Those who can't do teach

[@survivaloptions4999]

The average public school teacher ranked in the bottom 7-5 percent of their graduating class. We are entrusting our children's education to those least qualified to provide it.

[@theboombody]

I had passion for the subject, but not for kids. I didn't last.

[@dagduesund5175]

My wife graduated a few years back (maybe more like 21-22 years ago) and was a "Gold Key" member which requires an overall GPA of 3.5 or higher upon graduation. At the Gold Key banquet, as they announced each major the Gold Key members from that major would go up and get their Key. Most all majors had 6-12 graduates who were awarded a Key, the lowest number were those who majored in Physics with only 3 members. The major who had the most students getting the Key was teaching and they had over 140 graduates get the Key. For reference, the second highest number were those in marketing and there were 18 of them. From my understanding, the major at the school we went to with the lowest average SAT scores was teaching.

[@theboombody]

I trained to be a math teacher in college. World of difference between the difficulty level of the math and education classes there.

[@rodderbob]

The Federal Dept. of Education was formed in 1979, around 45 years ago. I would challenge any of those myopic souls who foolishly believe that government is the "best" vehicle for improving education to show any measure of achievement in education improvement in those near 5 decades. Unfortunately, those types of people value intentions far more than actual outcomes................that's how virtue signally works.

[@thurlravenscroft2572]

Bingo!

[@Dionysus-gv9lz]

In my experience all public services are mediocre at best and damaging at worst. Also very expensive to pay for through taxes and inflation. Homeschooling is of course illegal where I live.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

Are you in Germany?

[@Dionysus-gv9lz]

@@DadSavesAmerica Sweden

[@Dan16673]

​@Dionysus-gv9lz wtf illegal? Sweden schools are nutty af too I heard

[@Dionysus-gv9lz]

@@Dan16673 I had to change school for my son, there was a systemic problem with gang members recruiting the younger kids. Socialism is hell on earth.

[@Dionysus-gv9lz]

@@Dan16673 new laws were introduced in 2011 making homeschooling illegal

[@stunsisacul]

People who go through 6 years of college intending to go back to public school are not the best and brightest. They’re more like those type of prisoners who become institutionalized and simply can’t cope with the outside world.

[@TimeJamanthaMakes]

Perfect description.

[@craignedoff991]

Great analogy

[@Scriptorsilentum]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@onusgumboot5565]

You can send a kid to school, but you can't make him learn. That's a big part of the problem in public schools. No discipline is allowed. Just push them through to the next grade.

[@ryankelly369]

More parents need to be open to the idea of home schooling their children. The only way for positive change to happen with any permanence, is for parents to force the corrupt system to wither on the vine for lack of participation.

[@ryankelly369]

I know, I know. It's not for everyone. I wouldn't even attempt to argue it's something everyone should do, or even try. But I *know* that there are far many more parents out there who are capable of it, have the chops for it, than would ever think they do. A large part of the problem with the current system is that compulsory schooling is used far too often by parents as a glorified babysitter while both parents work, and nobody even stops to think about why both parents *have to* work! But I digress...if the system finally did collapse under its own weight and parents took back the responsibility that so many of them claim to desire, it can only benefit children in the long run.

[@matthewvandyk7773]

In theory sure but at least here in Ontario Canada is basically impossible. Rent is going for $2,000 to $3,000 a month. It's not physically possible to afford that on 1 income that's a huge problem. Like my wife and I would homeschool but even though we have great jobs that pay well above the advrage Canadian we cannot afford 1 income. My church promotes homeschooling for families that can afford 1 income.

[@ryankelly369]

@@matthewvandyk7773 Land of Justin Trudeau; big surprise. But now ask yourself, why is that the case? How have people been *forced* into using public schools as glorified babysitters and who is ultimately responsible for that fact? I can't debate the truth of what you're telling me, but I don't believe you should accept those facts with a shoulder shrug and mere resignation, either.

[@matthewvandyk7773]

@ryankelly369 hey, I get it. There are plenty of factors that have led up to our current situation. Prior to the Covid-19 lock downs and the mass slave (used by the UN) immigration from the Middle East and India rent prices were affordable. Now, in regards to using schools as babysitters that were happening back in the 90s when I was born. And no I'm not just letting this pass snd shrugging this off. I'm vocal about and will do what I can to get my government to deport as many work immigrants as possible. I am openly anti Trudeau and support protecting children movement created last year. I also am open and will explain my views and opinions with other to hopefully get them to understand and hopefully vote out Trudeau. I'm also planning on getting my registered and buying a gun in the next year or so; to protect my family from the increased Muslim exstreamists showing up in Canada. I I also have moving to Alberta or the States as an open option.

[@racheljames7]

​@@ryankelly369 Well said. I know things are tight moneywise, but I bet more mothers would be able to stay at home if both parents were willing to do without. We manage.

[@DangRenBo]

Thanks for highlighting my comment.😮 Your video content reminds me of one of my favorite USSR quotes: "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us."

[@LyleAshbaugh]

You can’t fix the schools until you fix the parents

[@Es24688]

And those parents went through the same schools…

[@ashleyarlo]

@@Es24688this isn’t making them coddle their children and raise them on screens….

[@r2dad282]

Teachers union and nurses union are two of the most successful organized labor organizations. Members are predominantly female.They've weaponized Caring.

[@rogerward801]

Their strength is in how dependent we've become on them. That's why the teacher's union is so opposed to private and charter schools and school vouchers. It lessens our dependence upon a particular school

[@lhome8680]

There are states where unionizing is illegal.

[@WeighedWilson]

I know a public school teacher. She got a 'best teacher in the state' type award a couple years ago. Her kids are in private school. That tells me everything I need to know about public school. That being said, you can get as much out of school as you put into it.

[@racheljames7]

I disagree you can get as much out of school as you put into it. For example, a musically gifted child who attends school is robbed of the time to practice because they have to learn pythagoras and memorise the periodic table and all sorts of other stuff that's pointless to them as a person.

[@mattfuller651]

One of the most frustrating things in education is the tendency to pass kids who should be held back. I teach high school and am amazed at how badly they write, spell, read, and think. The curriculum doesn’t do favors either. It doesn’t emphasize content knowledge but focuses on reading comprehension and critical thinking skills which do not exist independently according to cognitive science. Critical thinking and reading comprehension skills depend on content knowledge which is being denied to students.

[@sdrc92126]

Oregon and a few other places have dropped reading requirements for high school graduation. America's competitors are laughing.

[@rebekahmontesdeoca565]

Higher order thinking cannot exist without the base of content knowledge to stand on.

[@sdrc92126]

@@rebekahmontesdeoca565 Luckily I figured out early on, that mastery of the base allows you to coast through everything else. Well, on further reflection, maybe coasting isn't such good idea.

[@infintyplus]

mattfuller...how do you teach the dumb kids who try hard?

[@personnesenki4521]

When kids are not held back, you end up having elementary schools full of 20 year olds. Being held back does nothing if a student places no value on education and continues to languish.

[@rufuslynks8175]

I had a Geometry teacher that told parents that HS freshmen did not belong in her class. I had gone to summer school to get ahead of my peers to get into that class. I really enjoy math, especially math under pressure. I did not like doing homework. If you did not do your homework you had to go to the board and solve problems - proofs. Oh how I loved that pressure. One day I look at the problem and thought, "everyone will solve with the measure of the triangle sides. So let's do it with the angles." When I finished, the teacher said, "That's not how I would have done it, but it works. " To which I responded, by erasing my work and re-doing it "her" way. One week before the end of the semester, she called my Mother and told her that I had not done my homework and I woudl fail if I did not get it ALL turned in before then last day. I had to sit and go through these remarkably simple problems for a week. She gave me a "C" which kept me from being eligible for a hop to a "combo" of Alg II + Trig which set the stage for two years of higher math classes. Calc, Analyitical Geometry and so one. She stopped my math career in its tracks. Then a Chemistry teacher who did not like my older brother (8 yrs older) took efforts to get me out of her class. I ended HS with so many history classes it was just shameful. I had more awesome teachers, but these absolutely pathetic, frankly childish, ones can put a serious hurt on one's academic future. I still love math, but it has only been a hobby in my life and that is frustrating.

[@moozerk1264]

Parents need to understand that education is a privilege and not a right. Also parents are full capable of educating THEIR own children. Equity has tied hands of teachers to do any consequences and are forced to tolerate children that throw chairs and stab other children with scissors. So if parents have school choice then schools should have student choice.

[@Dan16673]

Yup. Cant stand these positive rights arguments

[@badstate]

Privileges are not compulsory.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

If we pay for something, it's a service. Your argument is nonsensical.

[@CJ-hz1uj]

Public schooling is neither “privilege” nor “right”, it’s a tool of dictators to control by indoctrination and brainwashing. Rights are not compulsory. Wonder what you might have been trying to say. Yes, parents can be better at teaching their children, particularly if not themselves the typical public school product.

[@CJ-hz1uj]

Interesting that YT censors deletes replies, including those related to this. Education is not a privilege nor right, it is compulsory indoctrination so that wannabe controllers can control. That also seems part of why public schooling results in so many discipline issues.

[@magamus.decimus.meridius]

Less than 50% of kids in Urban school districts can read at grade level. Our public school system is an absolute disaster. It's only purpose at this point in time is to reinforce the political and ideological views of the teachers.

[@thosearentpillows5638]

And make them dependent on the government.

[@RayneyKayLa]

Babysitting and Political leftist programming.

[@infintyplus]

its because the students dont put in the effort, their parents dont help them learn or make them study or provide discipline. the teachers can only do so much its not their fault especially when in many schools they are too busy disciplining the students who refuse to behave.

[@niteshades_promise]

and to push un-needed prescriptions for huge kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies. 🍻

[@matthewvandyk7773]

​@@Coynepurse urban kids in my area are usually white kids. I know way more black families that are well off and more educated verses white families. But there is a huge population of single white moms were I'm from. So maybe you need to think outside your everything is racist towards black people bucket. I mean I'm from Ontario so being a white native candian is a downside. I won't get into all the issues here in why. The point I'm trying to make is sure in some areas black kids nay be the worse off, but it's not true across the board, especially if you look outside of just the USA.

[@TheNephilim101]

I am NOT rich. I live in South Central Los Angeles, California. I budget extremely tight, in order to Homeschool my grandson because he is worth it to me.

[@perspectiveiseverything1694]

🙌❤️🙌

[@hitandruncommentor]

My only thoughts on eduction is this. I got the highest iowa basics test score in two grades. The grades in the middle my teachers hated me, my grades dropped. I became homeschool, was barely in the top 10% out of 7k kids in my grade. Took homeschool highschool from my state for all highschool, i finished highschool in 1.6 years, doing class 3 hours a day, four days a week. My mid range college used books from my international standards elementary school homeschool in two different classes. And i graduated magna cum laude from college. Yes half my time in public school i was the problem child, constantly in recess detention, meaning what few friends i had i lost. Why? Because i would get my work sheets done in 15 minutes rather than the hour my teachers wanted. I got vocabulary work done in 10, rather than 40 because i figured out what a glossary and index was on my own. But i was the problem.

[@Dan16673]

How dare you succeed

[@HarrisonLongmore-th3bk]

I’m sorry for that experience you had. It is unfortunate you were punished for not conforming.

[@notnotagenius]

I was a teacher for nearly 2 decades, 5 years in a private school, 14 in public schools. I'm pro union, in general, but never felt good about the teacher's unions I worked under. They were appropriately worried about teacher's being exploited to constantly being asked to do more, but they NEVER worked to find a compromise between that and what's good for the students. That being said, I walked away from the job when fostering student's curiosity fell be the wayside. This was the result of schools shifting to a customer service model (Covid was the nudge that did this in schools around me, which was understandable in the moment, but we never went back). Students and parents had to be happy 100% of the time. Obviously, I never wanted to deliberately make students unhappy, but being held accountable for your actions and your work is integral in education. One way to fix this, in my opinion, is for there to be a consensus in the community at large that education is important to develop skills to be independent thinkers and learners. Elementary and middle school students must learn how to read, write, and learn enough fundamental math skills to have functional numeracy. High school students must learn how to start learning on their own and to be critical thinkers, with significant guidance of course, so that if they go to college then can actually pursue the field of their interests, not just the subject that maximizes their future paycheck. I hope one of the other simulations has the dials set to this mode so that someone can study what happens when people do things because they are the right thing to do, not just to for a reward.

[@survivaloptions4999]

A coworker who was going to school to be a teacher was so proud when she graduated and passed her certification exam. She also asked me if one of our coworkers was from Pakistania. I wish I was kidding.

[@JuniperLynn789]

I was a 5th grade classroom teacher for 5 years. After having my first baby, I never looked back. I homeschool my kids now, this is our 6th year. I would never put my kids in public schools. I also absolutely believe that any parent who loves their child fiercely can homeschool their child successfully.

[@perspectiveiseverything1694]

❤️🙌❤️

[@mikametcalf3783]

All the same people who have given me grief for homeschooling also sat around and every one of us had had at least one creepy teacher who was inappropriate with students. It tried to point out the hypocrisy of them calling me paranoid.

[@violetmoon2283]

In a span of 5 years, 2 teachers at my high school were arrested and convicted of having inappropriate relationships with female students.

[@yinsound]

We appreciate your directness. Everything you said is undeniably true. Public schools are intended to create angry, dependent people who look to government for solutions to all their problems.

[@Miss_Elaine_]

I'm a newly credentialed special education teacher in an independent study charter school. I was attracted to charters in part because most do not participate in unions. I will never join a teachers union. Nope. Not ever. Not negotiable. Edit to add: I also homeschooled my own kids for a total of 16 years across 5 kids, and i was a huge fan of John Taylor Gatto etc. i still became a teacher because that's where my heart is, but teaching at a regular school isn't for me.

[@thatruth646]

Sir you should see now they push college for all, kids can barely do math but drop the passing grade

[@freddykingofturtles]

Also the amount of times teachers I knew personally complained about the system, the unions, and their jobs was terrifying. Worse still was when they would refuse any ideas or changes that might actually fix the problem. Somehow the only issues they would accept are people making mistakes and never the sacred "public school system".

[@simshengvue5799]

Call the public school what it really is. It is a government school and treat it as you treat all things government

[@sane2insanity]

Homeschool until the public system is fixed.

[@racheljames7]

Homeschool full stop. Even if the system gets fixed, it'll just be corrupted again. We shouldn't normalise children being jumped with strange adults and spending more time with them than they donwith their own parents.

[@Matthew-zu6tm]

Even when I was going to school. When first presented with a "Scantron" test. I knew from that point that it was never about education. It was programming. Input/output your grade was based on how close you were to perfect regurgitation. Application was never the goal.

[@RussianBotBlyatBlyot]

I am a huge fan of neighborhood schooling pods where groups of parents hire teachers to teach their kids at home. Their kids would be safer, get better 1 on 1 time, teachers would get paid better, and the government could subsidize it for communities that need it.

[@getaclew]

I went to public schools, graduated highschool in 2012, I thought school was pretty good. Im friends with alot of my old teachers and they say kids nowadays are terrible. No respect. Im glad we didnt really have phones or social media back then. i think those are terrible for kids, especially in school.

[@trickledown808]

Give a man a fish. Feed him for a day. TEACH him how to fish. Feed him for life. Entire generations of poorer kids are not taught"how to fish" and it's such a travesty. Like the biggest travesty in the world. That I almost think that those in power DON"T WANT these poorer people to know how to fish. Because they will become a threat to the position of those in power. So instead the ones in power keep the schools bad. And teach them useless stuff like DEI instead of practical knowledge and skills. Seriously why can't a poor kid go to a 5 star elementary school? Because they will become competition that's why.

[@stevewoitas7217]

What seems to be taught is "demand a fish because your a victim."

[@trickledown808]

@@stevewoitas7217 This issue is the last vestige of "systemic racism". Any minority "activist" or minority in government that doesn't make this their #1 issue are simply useful idiots and doing the dirty work of the ones at the top that hold the true power. And no, GIVING someone a position inside an organization or near the top will not fix the issue. Notice how only more useful idiots that push DEI are allowed in. It's because the ones that hold the true power know that these diversity hires are not a threat because they don't know anything and have no practical skills to become a threat. These useful idiots usually only screw things up and end up solidifying the position of those that hold the true power. This is because educating literal MILLIONS of these poorer kids with useful, practical knowledge will only level the playing field. It will level it too much for some people's comfort. Because there is only so much room at the top.

[@johnroberts3824]

The teachers union is an example of a bad union. Sure they get benefits for their members, but look at the cost to the public. Not all unions are desirable, especially when they develop an unhealthy relationship with politicians. The unions gets what they want, the politicians get votes and support, and the public gets the bill.

[@elizabethl6187]

Are teachers unions good for teachers? Teachers work in horrible Kafkaesque structures and they have extremely high burnout. Wouldn’t it be cool if teachers could organize and negotiate for better conditions? They never will. They pay dues to a money-laundering political donation mafia. Teachers just take the benefits and freedom from accountability that unions offer, and blame their frustrations on everyone else.

[@cheddar2648]

It's a welfare program for adults, not an education program for children.

[@DiamondLil]

It has turned into a jobs program for the otherwise useless and unemployable grievance studies graduates.

[@NeverForget1776]

Public unions exist to prevent anyone from demanding that the industry the union serverves, from being required to do better

[@sodakdave9602]

When I first started teaching 33 years ago, I joined NEA and our local union. I quickly learned that the NEA didn't care about the students. After my second year as a member, I did not rejoin. It didn't seem as bas then as it is now, but the current leadership needs major help. They are plain sick! I don't think all public schools are bad. We have a different mentality here in rural America and we have a pretty good school where I work. We want what's best for our students and keep open communication with our parents.

[@alans9707]

Our biggest problem here is the community has been brainwashed to think teachers are so desperately low paid and we have to feel sorry for them and give them presents and take their word on everything. I know since my sister was a teacher in our area, that they got paid well and yet always had the "woe is me" attitude on how hard it was to teach and excuse after excuse for why they failed to do their jobs right. All the while flocks of parental cheer leaders told them how great they were and kissed there feet. I went to University with Education majors....they had the easiest classes and it was basically a party degree. Yet now I have to treat them like they were brain surgeons? We need to demand better teachers.

[@thehighllama8101]

I am a substitute teacher in the Central Valley of California. In my area, south of Fresno, a full-time teaching position is a sweet gig. After 8 or 10 years, even a teacher in a rural area (at a "country school") can make $100k+ a year, plus medical benefits, generous sick time and vacation time, and a pension. Their compensation is more than fair, which is why there is no teacher shortage where I live, and there hasn't been one for the past six years I've been subbing. In fact, in rural school districts, you usually need to know someone at the school in order to get a job there, regardless of whatever position it is (teacher, substitute, secretary, or janitor). So, nepotism is pretty rampant. And as for some of the administrators, well, there are principals making $120k+ and superintendents making $150k+.

[@ashleyarlo]

I make 60k with a masters and 10 years experience. My class was 93 percent proficient in reading last year. I am good at my job. The job IS HARD if you do it well. Unless you do it, you will never be able to speak to the realities of teaching. We are asked to do an impossible job everyday of delivering hours of gen ed curriculum, monitor students learning it AND meet the needs of each of our 25 students by filling gaps in their learning. You need to teach to understand this. Teachers do deserve praise for doing this job.

[@LeoTheIronLion]

I’m with you 100%. I live in a very wealthy community in Marin County and people were raving about the schools here. My son is mildly autistic with ADHD and we found that the district puts all the extra resources in all the kids who are already thriving in the system and they would not offer my son any services or any way to integrate him. They tried instead to trick us into signing paperwork to sign him over to the county, where they could wash their hands of us and not be on the hook for his education. He has been in private school for 5 years and its been much better and we will eventually try and recoup his tuition from the district, but we should not have to get a lawyer and go through all that. We pay taxes and that money should follow our kid. Being myself from the USSR I can say the soviet education system put the US one to shame, which I’m attribute to the messed up incentive system of our system here. There are so many great public school systems in other countries, however I don’t think we have the culture or living arrangements to replicate something similar. I think school choice is the best solution for us here.

[@meisherenow]

A good rule of thumb: if you're not paying, you're not the customer.

[@hud86]

End the government. this country was built without most of the government that exists today. If we want progress, it won’t happen with hierarchy and politics.

[@billyfields7722]

They don't teach certain things. Financial literacy, trades, and consumer education aren't allowed in school.

[@fishmonger7020]

They don’t talk about ANY of the interactions that we have with government. Taxes, the police, courts, their rights in those places. Etc. Zero talk of the fed or how the money system works. Completely run by old women and feminine men.

[@racheljames7]

They don't even allow proper home economics any more. No wonder alot of people don't know how to cook a decent meal. They want people to be completely dependent on government and fast food.

[@jimmyjackson2361]

The regular classroom in our public schools is so dumb down even a normal intelligent child is bored. Just imagine what they are like for the above average intelligent child. We can thank our professional educators and the teacher unions for the condition of our public schools. I substitute taught for about six months, and I couldn’t believe the unprofessionalism I saw.

[@MarySchuh3369]

It would be amazing if the government gave us some money back (that we pay with our property taxes) to homeschool our 6 children (without strings attached)!

[@ragnarok7976]

"If we disadvantage all students then everything is okay" It's just idiocy in the name of equity.

[@NathanMarchandAuthor]

You don’t need to be rich to homeschool. Watch, there are plenty of support groups and organizations for it. Parents should take back their power and raising their children.

[@sdrc92126]

The valedictorian from my engineering college was homeschooled and was a perfectly normal well adjusted guy. I did not know about the home schooling part until after I'd know him for a few years

[@nancyroberts8749]

Now there a number of completely free curricula

[@Xerock]

There is no correlation between the amount of money spent on a school and the quality of grades a student receives. The only things that have shown to positively affect a student's grades - positive family time and quality sleep at night.

[@sdrc92126]

"You dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a f----n' education you coulda' got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library. "

[@AmazingStoryDewd]

Disagree the school definitely made a difference for me

[@HH-ru4bj]

Everyone is guilty of saying or thinking this at least a few times in their lives, but they see something incredibly dumb others have said or done, we might think "this is why we need more money for education." I've gotten away from that thinking in the last decade just because even a cursory look can tell you it's a very uncritical thought. More money only benefits those that know how to use it properly. If I need a new car, don't give me $40K for a new car because that assumes I know how to shop for prices and balance what i need versus what is practical, and understand potential reasons why the 1 year old used car is only $40K with 5K miles. If all I'm doing is throwing money, especially gifted money around at my problems, then I don't understand what my problems actually are. I said more or less just that elsewhere and the dog piling was actually quite funny and tragic as the responses were mostly emotional bleating, and especially so after asking if more school funding would have raised their reading comprehension to a level that would allow them to understand that what I said is different from what they think I said.

[@Investigativebean]

I think it is important to point out how the public school model is also a toxic environment in terms of education. Children, especially elementary aged kids, need to feel safe & secure to be their best learners. They are generally becoming more dangerous. The constant shuffling around of kids between subjects as young as kindergarten, and the turnover rates of teachers, makes for a much less structured model. We have moved away from play, and exploration. Instead, they move toward busy work, and memorization over mastery. I learned fast after sending my oldest to kindergarten at a popular charter school believing I was doing the best by not sending my child to the neighborhood school. The local district has a poor reputation. He was more anxious than I had ever seen a child, and his behavior there and at home suffered immeasurably. When we finally withdrew him to homeschool, it took him several weeks to get back to a place where learning was easy and organic again. He was exhausted, and emotionally wiped too. Yeah…it’s a sacrifice but it was the best decision we have ever made.

[@hmmaes]

I’m a teacher and union member. It’s group think. They don’t do what they were designed to do anymore. Either one, It’s all so bad. We need to have states and local governments in charge of the school system again

[@CCMorgan]

I teach public school. There are many wonderful teachers doing excellent work. They are beautiful, polished, effective cogs inside a garbage system. My kids are home schooled.

[@alans9707]

We bought a house in a more expensive area just for the schools.

[@sdrc92126]

It's better to buy a cheaper home in a less expensive area so that you can stay home and teach the kids yourself

[@alans9707]

Both of us work so it wasn't available to us at the time. I would have loved to.

[@redredred1]

@@alans9707 "We bought a house in a more expensive area just for the schools." "Both of us work" Congratulations - you played yourself.

[@Serif77-uf5pr]

'Cause I give you all the things. And you give me all the things.’

[@ad6417]

"the things"....🤑🤑🤑

[@winningwithoutracing7811]

The elephant in the room is that a large percentage of the overall population, and staggering percentages of certain populations lack the IQ necessary to complete high school level work. We have lowered standard to the point that some of those people now teach!!!!

[@Christie-ut2eg]

I worked in the public school system in a role that allowed me to visit various schools daily. The extreme differences from school to school can be drastic. I witnessed a mother being denied an inter district transfer (a low performing district would not release the student to a higher performing district that was willing to approve the transfer). The mother was beside herself. I am sure that she couldn't afford private school.

[@DadSavesAmerica]

That transfer denial is truly an act of evil. No business should have that power systemically.

[@bobbiecoldiron9883]

I agree with most of what you are talking about. There's only one thing about your video I highly disagree with. Most teachers go into the profession because they love children and learning. You are right about a small percent that do end up there because they failed out of psychology, but most of those don't make it past the 1st or second year.

[@jenniferwester7764]

I've been sa,ing this all the time. The American schooling situation is communism vs capitalism, where in the normalized industrial system runs by a communist principle of everyone needing to arrive at the same place in the same time and the private/non-profit/independent schools are playing by capitalistic principles of efficiency and efficacy dictating their survival. True to the macro-governance as in this single sector scenario, the market is out performing in both results and average costs according to recent stats as of 2022-2023 i just saw that stated the average per student expenditure in the US industrial public system is over $18k per year while private school per student tuition averages only $16k...😅 so riddle me this: if the industrial system has the advantage of an economy of scale and infrastructure, why on earth would private schools, including those running on incredibly small scales, be BOTH out performing in expense AND outcomes?

[@justinlybbert3467]

I would abolish the entire public education system. Privatize almost all of it. One of the people were correct thete is a role for government. I would keep continuation high school for the kids who get expelled from the private schools and juvenile high school. Thats it everything else PRIVATE!

[@stevewright2241]

Retired teacher here. What the problem is that no one has a skin in the game. None zip nada zilch. Not the students. Not the teachers. Not the parents. Not the administrators. Not the government.

[@gregorypierquet6321]

My son attends a classical Christian school, K-12, 250 students. It's a great option, and he is way ahead. Very diverse demographically thanks to private donors and teachers willing to work for 70% of public school pay. Tuition is $6k. It's doable, and neither of us gets paid a lot.

[@violetmoon2283]

Public schools are profoundly ill equipped to deal with a-typical students. I say this as someone who graduated high school in 2017, with a B average, an IQ of 148, and Asperger's Syndrome. I am in the 99th percentile in everything except math, where I am in the 90th percentile. Why was I not an A+ student? Because the structure of the system didn't work for me. And it wasn't for lack of trying, I have stress induced memory loss from the time I was in school. I worked my ass off, but I was still a B student. If I had been in an environment where the adults around me were equipped to recognize what was going on with me and what I needed, I quite possibly could have gone to an Ivy League University. Not that I would have, but I may have had the option.

[@racheljames7]

The grading system is ridiculous. In order to get As you need to perfectly repeat everything you've been told to say like a parrot. You loose points for thinking and expressing your own ideas. You even loose points in maths even if you get the right answer but work the problem out the "wrong way."

[@SteveAubrey1762]

Its all about natural selection. I grew up in the 60s & 70s. The ACCESS to information was very limited back then , by todays standard. During the covid debacle, I home schooled my son using an ACE school. It was incredible how much he learned...cost? Less than $600.00 for an entire year. So if " the poor" want to improve their situation, they first need to change their " poor mindset," then avail themselves of whats out there. I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth...no silver spoon here. I pulled myself up. If I had had access to the wealth of information out there today back in the 80s ...man, it would have taken half the time. Im sure Ill get a lot of hate for my " insensitivity" towards the poor. Oh well. People should be allowed to succeed...or fail.

[@Mr_Feeny]

As a 15-year veteran teacher, I’m shocked by how much average learners have to cater to the bottom 1%. Public education has become like a one-size-fits-all store, struggling to meet everyone's needs. Vouchers could promote specialized, targeted programs that better serve students, including those in special education, while creating healthy competition to attract quality educators.

[@TheReasonWeLearn]

Separation of school and state. Also, private schools mostly suck. NAIS is toeing the statist line. Lots of psychopathy in privates too, with less recourse for parents.

[@Itsstuff7328]

The problem is that we put the cost onto the school district through PROPERTY TAXES!! That is the problem!!

[@DiamondLil]

California "remedied" that years ago by giving more public dollars to low property tax counties and less to high property tax counties. This evened up the $ per student. Academic scores continued to drop. Money is not the magic bullet as long as the state schools of education are turning out illiterate political activists instead of educators.

[@johnthomas3264]

Before I retired (7yrs ago) I road a train to and from work 5 days a week. On that train were a lot of public school teachers many of whom I chatted with on and while waiting for trains, and even made some good friends. All of them, literally hated their job. Many were former private school teachers and the reason they went to public school was for the money and retirement. They had some of the most amazing stories on what happened in school that, well amazed us and some were so bazar and bad stories other teachers would chim up and support the teacher that was sharing things they dealt with. Also, I learned that teaches are second rate people in the school system. This has been going on for decades, and it's surprising how much parents do not know or care about. All the teachers agreed that if you get rid of the teachers union, an immediate improvement will occur, and if you get rid of all the support staff, well than you will really get an improvement. I will share one bizar confirmed story. In the 8th grade there was a kid that was so bad, an adult staff member was assigned to her to protect the other students from her. Literally an on campus escort. Anyway, this subject is of most importance and as academia is the primary CAUSE of the craziness we are experiencing in today's world this needs exposure and conversation to get it fixed.

[@SarahR2D2]

I am former teacher and it sucks. The teachers are great but the structures and confines in place severely limits what we can do

[@fishmonger7020]

Then break the rules and do what you think is right. Keeping quiet when the emperor has no clothes is part of the problem. Also, teachers are not our best and brightest.

[@SarahR2D2]

@@fishmonger7020 False. That is not true and if parents are sending their kids there, they are not the best and brightest. I took 4 years of Calculus and I am in the top 1% of math students. Most of my colleagues did the same. The science department is also filled with smart people. I was also impressed by my language arts colleagues. If you stand up you get fired.

[@sdrc92126]

@@SarahR2D2 But most aren't. Besides, calculus is only used by 0.001% of people in the real world, mostly by calculus teachers 🤣

[@fishmonger7020]

@@SarahR2D2 Meh... I want people that did things in the real world to come in and teach kids what they have to teach. Not career academics.

[@SarahR2D2]

@@fishmonger7020 Maybe for college but not necessary for public schools

[@cocoacrispy7802]

Can you please do for health care what you want to do for education, viz. counter the 'there will be market failures and therefore unequal outcomes, therefore government needs to take over' mindset?

[@Pavewy]

I'm not a teacher, but I did retire from a career in public service as a Police officer/Detective. I can tell you one thing: Anything that is funded off of taxpayer dollars is largely inefficient and bloated. The people that work there are so ingrained that any condemnation of the institution itself is seen as a personal attack on them personally. Now, the majority of police are good people, just like the majority of teachers are good people, the problem is that the institutions themselves often become mismanaged bastions of toxicity and waste based in ideology. The more that identity politics worms its way into our institutions, the more damage it does, similar to the way a borer kills a tree; it eats the most important livewood, thereby girdling the tree, and eventually the tree simply dies because it can no longer sustain itself. If I think rationally about it for awhile, I come to the conclusion that it isn't simply an accident steeped in ideology, but a profound objective that is doggedly marched to - on and with purpose.

[@larissaalcorn3406]

When I was getting my special education degree, you would have been dismayed by the number of people who were getting their special ed degree JUST because the elementary education program was too full. A few of us were there by choice. The rest were told, "Well, you didn't make it into these other programs, but there's plenty of room in sped...." 😭

[@retheisen]

Being able to rustle 6 different issues poorly is sufficient in the real world. 80% 4-eva.

[@pinchebruha405]

Here’s the thing though aren’t the students the problem; what happens to a neighborhood when one bad family moves in… the good leave and those that can’t afford the move are stuck in the same thing!

[@racheljames7]

The students. You mean the children who are being forced to go to these places. How's it their fault? They're not the responsible adults, they're not in charge.

[@dutchstorm7824]

A good friend of mine had taught math to public high school students for over 15 years and I have no doubt she was very good at her job. She's the kind of person you'd talk to at a cocktail party and leave feeling smarter for the experience. Suddenly, by some district mandate, they needed a teacher for sex education more than a math teacher and she had to do that. A woman who never wanted to be married or have kids, just loves her numbers, is teaching sex education. She lasted one school year and was immediately hired by a private school where she is very happy teaching math to students from prosperous families.

[@tadroid3858]

My favorite: Teachers living outside of the district in which they work recruiting children to pimp their tax levy on the actual residents of the district, who pay for these teachers.

[@Dan16673]

You must, must look up ben chavez, in LA and what he did. He showed that funding has nothing to do with quality schools

[@mathiusq9128]

Theres a point where throwing too much money at a problem creates an institution instead of a solution.

[@freddykingofturtles]

Anything I learned in public school I taught myself. I'll always be grateful to the teachers that helped that process, but most of the time I would've been more educated being left alone with a book.

[@spartakos3178]

Sometimes, I want to attempt to get hired as a public education teacher just to see how quickly I would get fired.

[@fishmonger7020]

Bro that’s an amazing idea!!!!

[@csk4j]

As a teacher, I could not keep the inevitable alpha disruptor literally scarring their peers daily