Do Revenge Is Gen Z Mean Girls - Guilty Pleasures Ep. 82

We're talking about the Netflix teen girl comedy: Do Revenge, and we LOVED it, with a few notes.
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GUILTY PLEASURES
Comedians Zach Kornfeld, Kelsey Darragh, and Garrick Bernard take turns sharing their favorite guilty pleasure movies and TV shows to feel good about feeling guilty.
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Executive Producer | Keith Habersberger
Executive Producer | Eugene Lee Yang
Executive Producer | Zach Kornfeld
Podcast Producer | Miles Bonsignore
Podcast Editor | Rainie Toll
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[@guiltypleasures6975]

oops we left in Kelsey's "paint" story...

[@emmyemu33]

Hahahhahaha I mean good for Kelsey. Glad she enjoyed it

[@PainsawChenus]

Would y’all consider posting what movie you’re doing ahead of time so we can watch it to be prepared for the pod?! Always love when it’s one I’ve already seen, but would really love the chance to do my homework for ones I haven’t seen yet

[@gretl01]

Just a little flex that you don't have to bleep that activity now that you have your own pod channel?! 😘🤣

[@hellokinniee]

did i get blocked from channel :[ this is only ttry guys channel i cant open the page tto

[@MariahCoc23]

I am screaming Kelsey 🤣🤣🤣🤣 that was sooo funny. Thank y’all for not editing that out 🤣🤣🤣

[@bakeitgood2050]

36:42 “trust me, people that go to Yale are not that great” THE SHADE ZACHARY 😂

[@saraa.7836]

😂

[@ArtisticGinger]

DEAD 💀

[@wolfdemon-sterling5349]

IT TOOK ME AN HOUR TO GET IT HOLY SHIT ZACH

[@lukewarmcoffee5743]

Kelsey's follow up 37:09 😂

[@rosaiuxcodes6893]

I SCREAMEDDDDDD OMG I LOVE THE SHADE

[@gavman8]

Maya came out as queer in September! 🌈

[@littleriddle04]

Kelsey: “Oh she’s straight? That’s unfortunate.” I DIED 😂😂😂😂😂

[@DanieGrace]

Me anytime I learn a hot woman is straight 🤣

[@emilyfournier8344]

She might not be though :) In a couple recent interviews she's implied she's queer

[@DanieGrace]

@@emilyfournier8344 hallelujah 🤣

[@sunshineeee]

I’m pretty sure she publicly stated it a few months ago Edit// stated that she was queer/identified with queerness

[@lysblack]

ngl in my opinion the reason the boys aren't into it as much, or think the movie is as iconic as kelsey thinks (and i agree with her), is that they are boys and this movie was not made for them or with them in mind. yes guys can love the movie and be into it as much as any girl, and some ladies may hate it, but this was a product by and for women and i think this is why it resonates so much to so many of us. it's mindless fun that plays with all the classic tropes we love by doing it well, honoring the movies that came first and giving us a fresh take to enjoy.

[@lezlezzin]

yes, exactly, thank you! I wanted to say the same, and you said better than I could think to. sometimes I wish the boys would take a step back and realize some movies are not necessarily for them, and stop trying to compare them to "boy" movies, actors, directors.

[@mattieyoncha6243]

Gonna be honest. It’s shade at Yale Guys and Kelsey’s art projects that made me subscribe to guilty pleasures before you can sit with us. Love the try wives but something about this trio is just so ELECTRIC

[@marykatemchale4589]

Okay I understand what the boys are saying about the ending feeling tacked on, BUT I think it was so important for the girls to acknowledge to each other that getting revenge wasn’t making them feel better. Also the boyfriend was the absolute worst and I would’ve been upset if they didn’t take him down.

[@dclovee327388]

This, every other movie ends the way the boys wanted it to and it's cliché. This gave it a little something extra and all it's own

[@ashley_pineda]

THIS!! I WOULD’VE BEEN PISSED IF MAX DIDN’T GET HELD ACCOUNTABLE!! 😤😤😤

[@0104brit]

Max should've been held accountable but the switch was jarring. It was like an open secret that he was a jerk because they already said that he was sleeping with a different girl from each clique so why does that revelation at the end suddenly change everyone's mind....🤔

[@fatimamartins6423]

The fact that they're talking about how worried they were about Kelsey while Zach is wearing a hoodie that says "check in on your cool friends" it's a 10/10 for me

[@MiracleMadkins]

I’m LIVING for the shade about Yale 😂

[@grimpoteuthis1337]

Kelsey's "ZACHARY" was so funny lmao.

[@BirdyyyBoyy]

Zach being worried about kelsey not showing up is karma for his undisclosed spa day that panicked the Try wives

[@jmason1770]

I just rewatched that on Tik Tok. Everyone got worried when he didn't show up for a scheduled shoot.

[@mhmartin86]

While wearing a "check in on your cool friends" hoodie. Just perfection

[@Celestein]

Okay but picturing everyone running around in a panic while- cut screen- little Zach is just sighing happily behind some green tea mud mask is so freaking funny 🤣

[@RSkies]

The paint fight scene was a nod to '10 things I hate about you', which is the 2nd best teen flick of the late 90s behind Cruel Intentions. (RIP Heath Ledger)

[@giorgiafletcher9546]

i picked up on that too! such an amazing movie

[@kyris66]

This this this!!! It's my favourite teen movie.

[@jesorinsekwa4054]

I’d vote 10 things over cruel intentions any day

[@TB-wt4fl]

Did anyone else think Sophie Turner was going to rip out Camila Mendes's earring during that scene at the rehab center? I was, like, watching through my fingers. The rage in Sophie's eyes looked too real.

[@syra1541]

YES

[@arianacarolina84]

OMG YES!!!

[@ninaexmachina]

I thought she was going to gently but matter-of-factly remove them while looking directly into Camila's eyes.

[@carinek8103]

The ex-boyfriend WAS the real enemy. I was rooting for her to make up. It makes sense to me. Nope the end was perfect. Idk that's how psycho female friendship can go. It was perfect

[@DanieGrace]

High school me was definitely enemies and then made up and back and forth several times with some best girl friends in high school 🤣

[@nicolewilliams5438]

I live for kelsey and her sex-capade stories on the pod 🤣🤣🤣

[@haleydudzinski6459]

Nope. Kelsey is 100% right, this movie is iconic. Mean girls randomly became popular over time, I don’t remember it being super popular immediately. Who’s to say this one won’t as well? I had low expectations for it and then…wow. Loved it.

[@tayloroo]

I remember it being popular when it came out but I was also like 12 so my worldview was pretty limited haha. I do definitely agree it became a way bigger deal over time with the help of the internet though. It's so quotable and has a strong rewatch factor, so it makes sense. I can see this movie going the same way! Loved it

[@herb_rolls]

it's not even really that good and relies on outdated stereotypes of women to be funny. if anything it just makes me sad to see how toxic female culture curated by men defines culture. mean girls is satire detached from teen experience.

[@newmoondoggie]

You must be very young if you think Mean Girls wasn't popular when it came out. It was an instant hit, premiering #1 at the box office, grossing over $130 million at the box office, received majority positive reviews, and it was Lindsay Lohan's breakout role away from Disney projects. It was nominated for 13 Teen Choice Awards. Mean Girls wasn't a sleeper hit or a cult classic. It was loved from day one.

[@FramesPerSecond]

Hope this doesn’t come of rude but I am actually curious; Do people actually quote Do Revenge? I’m 30 so I’m not around the youths but I just haven’t seen much about this movie going around.

[@funkybunny4604]

I love the foreshadowing in this film! Especially that smug or like contempt filled side eye glance we are blessed with when Drea is talking about narcissists being too focused on themselves to notice when they're being manipulated and we get a shot of Elanor side eyeing her, freaking brilliant. In that moment I knew something was up!

[@deonya]

to this day i still feel like i’m the only one who one, wasn’t expecting them to ever kiss. and two, was glad that the movie suddenly didn’t FORCE them to, either. because as a queer girl myself, and despite them being horribly toxic to each other, it’s still nice to see a lesbian and straight girl be strictly friends and i wish more people were just accepting of that fact instead of instantly going “i sense some chemistry why don’t you make out” also: idk WHY anyone would want the girl who outed the other girl and claimed her as a predator to kiss the girl who is still learning to unpack that trauma??? toxic or not, don’t wish kisses on people who are horrible to each other!

[@chikomi8337]

Not me seeing Miles’ post about leaving Kelsey’s “paint” story in and thinking it’s the one at the beginning. Nope 😆

[@elizawoods7819]

"lesbians just be chilling man" favorite take of the episode 😤

[@ralyssa11]

I’m Canadian and Garrick is not wrong, I don’t know how to describe it but you can almost always tell when a show is Canadian

[@Jena_McLean]

1000%!! Our shows have a certain look to them

[@kathleenuclear]

YES! I am American but I have always been able to tell when something is Canadian and if it's not confirmed by a slipped accent, there's always the "Canada 🇨🇦" in the credits.

[@nancythomas5387]

And somewhere, somehow, there's going to be the ubiquitous "eh?"

[@ashley_pineda]

YESSS! when garrick said that i immediately knew what he meant 😳

[@lilylam7162]

At what timestamp does he say this?

[@katherinestephens6600]

Here’s a fun fact Zach missed: the “chill lesbian dream girl” starred in the Déjà Vu music video with Olivia rodrigo!

[@smoothpandan]

I’m unfortunately still in high school (almost out thank the fuck gods) but for my school at least, you dont really see people making fun of ppl but you can hear people silently doing so. I’m an eavesdropper pffft tho I don’t know if its just because I’m unlucky and always get put into the same classes with THOSE kids, but I’ll definitely hear once and a while them talking shit abt random kids they’ve seen around school, abt how they look, act, etc. But that group is so small compared to the amount of outcasts we have now so I think thats why we dont actually see or hear abt it loudly. And to be honest it just depends who you hang out with like I ended a friendship with this girl because she just became really toxic and kept making fun of people or things that weren’t that big of a deal.

[@goldwassa]

"you GOTTA eat ass as an adult!" is so real and I love kelsey so much lmaoooo

[@JennaLoomar]

I went to high school with Cami and she’s always been good! She’s actually so funny in real life too

[@bowie710]

I gotta say I was with Zach and Garrick and wasn't sure about this movie, but this episode has fully sold me on it.

[@guiltypleasures6975]

That’s the power of being GUILTY baby

[@bowie710]

@@guiltypleasures6975 trying hard to keep my composure to getting a response right now.

[@lilavril3]

whoever cast cami is someone who watches her on tiktok bc that’s how we knew she’s funny

[@soylillie]

I'm already watching this movie on repeat as my new comfort film. SPOT ON REVIEW. It's iconic. We love the power of female friendship and embracing that teenage girls are psychopaths, the fashion, the dialogue - it's delicious, you can't match it. Might have to watch again today because of all of you.

[@niuboi_]

As a Canadian, I know EXACTLY what Garrick is talking about with shows looking Canadian.

[@bexyPTX]

Thanks to this podcast I just learned that the male lead of Dash and Lily was also in Euphoria playing a presumably completely different role (he played the ex in this movie) and that's just super crazy

[@goldenglove99]

I loved him in Dash and Lily!

[@singleysinger1]

The Yale comment is UNHINGED and Im here for it

[@DullRio]

I SCREAMED AT ZACH'S YALE COMMENT

[@smilnsinger5]

Give booksmart the respect it deserves. Pinnacle of modern girl friendship movies.

[@peytonjthomas]

as someone who’s currently in high school, 1. yes, popular kids do still make fun of outcasts, but it’s more talking behind each others backs rather than saying things to their face. in my experience, no one outright bullies people to their faces but instead in group chats with their friends 2. i haven’t seen anyone at my school wear locket necklaces, but i def saw them in like middle school

[@coopernat1]

I went in with 0 expectations. Thought I was watching some trashy GenZ teen bop movie to zone out to. CUT TO!! I was shook when I realised this was going to be an actually good movie and enjoyed it immensely

[@genevieved.2353]

Kelsey's @$$-eating moment was fun - bless you, Kelsey

[@TheJayWashExperience]

One of my tweets during everything blowing up was there’s going to be a lot of dark humor coming out… Case in point: 36:42. Amazing burn, Korn Diddy.

[@sileigh1]

SO MUCH DISRESPECT!!! Especially when all the best actors are Canadian...gods! 🤣

[@fatimamartins6423]

Speaking of Olivia Rodrigo, Maya Hawk's crush in this movie is actually the girl from the Deja Vu music video!

[@htlmn98]

I already thought this movie was a pleasure but this episode of the pod made me think it was EVEN MORE of a pleasure

[@MF-zm7tb]

After listening to this podcast I feel like you guys have not seen “Jawbreaker” It’s a classic teen girls/mean girls movie that invented the popular girl lockstep down the hall. I think Do Revenge really paid so much homage to it Please watch it and include it in the pod!

[@kyris66]

The colour scheme of Jawbreaker too is super iconic - candylike to match the themes.

[@missmimi610]

Ok so I stopped listening on Spotify so I can come on here and spam the FACT that KELSEY HAS NOT SEEN CLUELESS!!! I'm absolutely shocked, and I demand (yes, demand lol) a guilty pleasure epi on Clueless so she is FORCED to watch this 90's masterpiece!!

[@lucybw]

I definitely saw the twist coming because 1. how Maya looks at Camilla when she says the thing about narcissists and 2. there had to be a twist. BUT I still loved the movie and it's fully a pleasure for me

[@katiex3171]

thank god you're doing do revenge. this movie fucking SLAPS

[@carlaviz6605]

I listen on Spotify, but I had to come and read the comments for this one, great episode! I was fully losing it in my car when Kelsey calls her art friend and Miles is distressed about the level of professionalism at his place of work.

[@Belliqua]

As someone who knows Vancouver film productions well (my mother has worked in the industry since I was born and I help out), Garrick is 100% correct. There's a specific look things that shot here have, lighting and colour grading in particular but also shot pacing. Also almost all the props and background costumes are from one business so there's something your brain is probably noticing even if you consciously aren't.

[@nancythomas5387]

I never did drugs or alcohol in high school. The high school experience was already too much of a bad trip!

[@zizicurtis6742]

I just watched the movie last night, and I love that you all reviewed it! It deserves the praise

[@CharleeThaQueen]

Stained glass window in the bathroom was totally a Heathers funeral reference

[@CapitalTeaseBurlyQ]

Offense taken! - a Canadian 🤣😂

[@clovebooksdiva]

Petition to include another woman in this podcast??? I need another female voice of reason here 😭

[@acherryproTV]

me screaming at my TV because everything garrick was saying was so right

[@radiowolf.13]

I always appreciate Garrick’s support and recommendations for anime and other animated media. If you’re reading this, go watch/read Chainsaw Man.

[@bakeitgood2050]

V happy to have a new channel just for GP ❤

[@lisajong7635]

Can’t watch this episode for now because I haven’t watched the film yet, but can’t wait for this one. Love the pod!

[@avery5968]

I also saw a lot of John Tucker Must Die in this movie which was super fun. Loved the episode!

[@MlpAceSter]

The Yale comment omg

[@adele.ruhdorfer]

imo Canadian TV is structured more like theatre, compared to American TV. Much like the UK, actors in Canada generally have theatre-based training, more so than screen-acting training. Also, the Canadian TV system is a government subsidized grants-based system, so the requirements for pitching/making TV and film is more similar to the grants system in the fine arts world. Canada is also currently trying to push this model, because Canadian-produced TV actually does really well on international markets, because there tends to be a focus on specific identity issues, while remaining relatable and universal. Kim's Convenience is a good example -- its context is highly specific: a Korean immigrant family, living in Toronto, trying to find their place in this culture, while remaining true to their home country. It's an exploration of diaspora, within a Canadian context. It's also about a convenience store owner, so we get a work-place comedy with a diverse cast of supporting stories. This is also what makes it universal. There are so many stories of immigration/emigration, diaspora, and cultural sharing. Convenience stores are accessible sites for these stories. If you've lived in a downtown centre, these stories will feel familiar to you. The possibilities to relate to a story, like Kim's Convenience, is just really high -- either you've been a customer in these spaces, the convenience store owner (and the community!) is a staple in your life, or you have experienced diaspora and immigration yourself. So, as a TV product, because it has such a high relatability factor, it is an ideal product for streaming. This is also why Schitt's Creek and Letterkenny did so well in USA and abroad, because there's a feeling of it being so specific and unique (Canadiana/Canadianisms are definitely used!), yet also very familiar and formulaic (small-town kindness; communities coming together, working together). (Both these shows are also dialogue/writing gold, something I think is also owed to the theatre roots.)

[@MossyBear]

I love watching films vicariously through these folks 🤣

[@arielle.notthemermaid]

OMG the Kelsey anecdote in the beggining Lol

[@Jena_McLean]

big ol yes to the intro line choice

[@bloodybaby]

i’m a senior in hs and in my experience most of the time being an “outcast” is used to brag to seem different and mysterious🙃 both online and offline

[@arundhatisridhar8835]

Flewww to the comments section after that paint story + yale shade. Just top notch entertainment.

[@DJgirl13able]

THANK YOU, KELSEY!! I loved the movie, but my god the fact that this was supposed to be in South Florida. I'm from there and there's no way!

[@ShawolxD]

The way my mouth dropped when I heard the yale shade 🤣🤣

[@rayrunn]

Every second of this was gold

[@Bropez87]

Love this podcast. I may be one of the few at the end who thought 💭 oh it would be fun if you talked about F1 … it would be so off topic but I just love it

[@simplycinderfella3418]

Kelsey’s paint story is the most replayed part of the video 😂😂😂😭

[@jaquelinerose]

the SCREAM I SCRUMPT “people that go to yale are not that great”

[@15nickjfan]

Not me waiting for you guys to mention talia lmao

[@maddishouts]

I loved this movie and wrote a paper for English three days after It came out and when my friend read my paper I convinced her to watch it haha. I think it’s a great movie and is a classic fun girl movie that embraces femininity!

[@michellemarlin1424]

Even épisodes with movies I’ve never heard of are so enjoyable with these 3😂 so damn entertaining

[@alexandramai]

Also I also thought abt the uniform and paint and agree a hundred percent w garrett

[@sasslexis0126]

43:31 - okay yeah now I have to go rewatch Sweet/Vicious… I was so excited to see Eliza Bennett as Sophie’s bff in this, she was so funny 😂

[@SammieSoonJ]

Y'all are a mess and I am here for it! Kelsey talking about eating ass and painting everything! I was dyinngg! This podcast rocks!

[@laneyhepler9425]

i am so glad you mentioned talia ryder. lesbians really do be chillin

[@audrihoward9340]

Finally watched it last night and it very much is giving mean girls and heathers, heathers was the 80’s, mean girls was ‘00’s, Do Revenge is 20’s. It’s a classic and I’ll watch it again, I didn’t see the twists coming AT all and was delighted

[@namtiddiesohmymymyohmymymy827]

tbh i didn’t get the yale thing zach said at 36:42 . j thought yale dude went to cornell because i mixed up andy bernard from the office and the yale dude.

[@perfectblueeeee]

it’s a reference to Ned, who bragged about going to Yale a LOT

[@namtiddiesohmymymyohmymymy827]

@@perfectblueeeee oh i know i just didn’t wanna bring yale dudes name up

[@opheliafinch4887]

lmao i also assumed he went to cornell cause of andy

[@namtiddiesohmymymyohmymymy827]

@@opheliafinch4887 he and andy just have that douchey “i went to an ivy league school and i’ll make that my entire personality” vibe. like literally ned’s only personality traits are yale and having a family

[@rosaiuxcodes6893]

i love this podcast

[@rosaiuxcodes6893]

and i always watch it on 1.25 speed hahahaha the chaossss

[@abigailw4599]

The biggest problem i had with the ending was that they sort of breeze past Maya HITTING DREA WITH HER CAR. I could've lived with it more even with a small change like a mutual fight/make up at the party instead of Drea chasing after her, or at least not framed it like their friendship is 100% aspirational at the end. They both did terrible things, but hitting someone with your car like..she could've killed her and I had a hard time reconciling that

[@brimcintosh8861]

I live in Naples, FL. It ain’t far off lol it’s crazy here

[@hellokinniee]

the real question is.. does garret or zach try out paint eating xD love tthis show

[@DtotheLA]

You’re very good at getting me to watch movies I wouldn’t normally

[@ashleighwilson2016]

You all need to do the school for good and evil from netflix

[@whatthepandaboebanda]

Shoutout tampa and university mall lmao when Kelsey said that I was like omg 😂 rip university mall

[@hcf4kd1992]

I like how sick it was at the end. Like they were both so foul and wrong they had to forgive each other and be each other's sicko

[@emgermain]

PLEASE do The Sweetest Thing movie!!!!!! It’s a must and a 90s staple

[@onlylove93]

Recommendation for Kelsey and any Harry Potter fans would be Tom felton's new book. Love the podcast!

[@DanieGrace]

Yall I need more unfiltered pointed comments lol kelseys "sketch comedy" "THATS a free lesson in comedy writing" 😆

[@audrihoward9340]

I was like ‘oh, finally this paint story I’ve heard references to’ and thought it was about Kelsey’s painting missing the podcast recording… nope 😂😂 They can talk all the shit they want but Kelsey was like bet he loved it hahaha

[@serenitym8363]

Camillia m also had a small role in the movie Palm Springs, which you gotta watch!!!

[@mimig7553]

“It was not Florida” it definitely is a very specific sector of Miami actually lol

[@dannyrae]

Maya doesn't like when people speculate her sexuality, which is fair it's no ones business but hers, however, she stated in an interview that whilst writing her album Moss (go listen it's amazing) she went back to a mindset similar to when she was a teen and started questioning :) and her characters crush is called Gabby

[@bentbreadstick]

jawbreaker review next pls, its defo an inspiration for this movie and not enough people have seen it :)

[@shyviolets]

When they were talking about Clueless being the first teen girl movie I was screaming JAWBREAKER and HEATHERS!

[@WiredCityinMay]

Garrick I see what you’re saying about Canadian production, it’s usually bad, but you go with Kim’s convenience over Schitt's Creek are you KIDDING MEEEEEE. That is Canadian gold - Catherine O Hara and the Levy’s come on. I’m offended and I’m Canadian, a rare sight

[@northernti617]

21 Jump St is a Millennial tale, based on a book written late 80s, early 90s.

[@ankitamenon8780]

I watched with my mum (I’m gen z and my my mum is gen x) and as much as we’ll love the colour palette, we couldn’t get behind the characters- unlike mean girls, where there meanness is cliche and caricatured, this was kinda horrifying for us. Maybe it’s because my mum has quite a strong moral compass when it comes to certain things so I was being influenced by her but certain scenes where it was quite violent, we kept thinking “are we supposed to be on their sides??”. Having said that, it was enjoyable, definitely gen z, and just to reiterate, love love love the colours.

[@chaz4910]

in highschool, highschool doesn't change, stuff gets repeated and new stuff is added

[@kimalexandra3946]

I did love the movie but yeah I dont understand why cami and maya didnt kiss, they had the chemistry and plot but I guess they didnt think it would spiral like that lol. Anyways I loved this ep and wish you guys commented on more queer content 😶‍🌫️

[@yarns8117]

Part of me thinks its because the target audience overlaps with the audience that would interpret that as romanticizing toxic relationships

[@islacate7251]

part of me thinks that it was attempting to subvert expectations. i found it nice to see a close relationship between two women with a queer woman involved in the dynamic. ngl, i was still hoping that they would kiss, but they seemed nice and settled in their respective romantic relationships

[@kaiyarain9673]

because friendships have chemistry too, platonic love is real. but lesbians (hi that’s me) and straight women can absolutely be friends. just friends, that care for each other. it’s been harmful at parts in my life to have others assumptions be that lesbians are just gonna like…seduce their straight friends

[@buttox8671]

I'm in high school and everyone kinda just leaves each other alone. We make fun of other ppl in our social circles but don't really talk about people we dont know. ps i have never seen anyone wear a necklace with a lock in it

[@missvi2302]

As an Australian, i can confirm we say the C-word more often and with more confidence than anywhere else! It’s actually often used as a term of endearment😏