Hocus Pocus 2 Hits Different... - Guilty Pleasures Ep. 81

We're spooky in the studio today for the instant classic: Hocus Pocus 2!
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GUILTY PLEASURES
Comedians Zach Kornfeld, Kelsey Darragh, and Garrick Bernard take turns sharing their favorite guilty pleasure movies and TV shows to feel good about feeling guilty.
PODCAST DEPT
Executive Producer | Keith Habersberger
Executive Producer | Eugene Lee Yang
Executive Producer | Zach Kornfeld
Podcast Producer | Miles Bonsignore
Podcast Editor | Rainie Toll
MUSIC: Licensed from AudioNetwork
SFX & VIDEO ASSETS: Licensed from Videoblocks

[@jhaneyhamlett]

what i liked about the new girls in this movie is that when the candles flame turns black they were like oh hell no and immediately try to put it out

[@alexandrasmith1753]

The moment with Winifred where you see that she actually loves her sisters, despite them all being villains, was moving. I didn't feel for the three sisters but it absolutely did make me think about my own sister, and I agree with Kelsey that it brought me and every woman I have talked about it with to tears. I loved this movie, sure it wasn't as good as the first but it was a perfect sequel and the ideal level of goofy/corny/and nostalgic that I was looking for. It was campy and the perfect follow-up after almost 3 decades.

[@amandawillett6591]

The only thing that really bothered me about the movie was that in the first movie they said Winifred received the book from the devil himself, and it's different in the second when they tell the origin.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

this movie seemed to forget a few things from the first movie; like WHY is Billy suddenly alive after all this time AND WAS STILL ALIVE when he was dead after the end of the first movie? The point of that happening is that all the things the witches did was done when they died. Bringing Billy Back? Gone when they died. Thackery was able to move on when they died. In this movie Winnifred acts SURPRISED to see someone use salt when in the first "salt! What a clever little white witch". Also this might seem like a nitpick, but I haaated the brown filter they used for the woodland scenes. Gross.

[@nicoleveda]

@Ribotto Studios Billy just went back to sleep after the events of the original but he was still alive. She wasn't surprised to see the salt. She was surprised that the salt shot the powers back because the main character was a witch. You could see the salt glow blue like her hands.

[@sarahlaurent62]

It didn't bother me because 1. the Devil can take many forms that's like its main thing and 2. in the first one it was told by Alison, who was not present when the witches were given the book. So how can you guys just blindly believe her? It's a rumor 300 years old, obviously it's not going to be the real version.

[@GiraffeOverlords]

Yeah I feel like there were just lost plot lines and things that happened in other that were never explained that they didn't never even touched on like why Billy's awake again and if the sisters died by glitter that means that they don't die because they came back the second time and died with the same kind of glitter will we know their true death so many things unanswered nothing that's kind of irritating as I feel like lately all of the '90s movies are being sequel or remade and some are for the better but somewhere just like come on stop this isn't fast and the furious you don't need to make 20 movies about the same movie

[@nicoleveda]

@@sarahlaurent62 Exactly! The legend says that Billy was Winnie's lover too and that wasn't true either

[@missmollybruton]

Kelsey is so true for that! Was literally balling over that scene when her sisters disappear, was heartbroken😭

[@robynegan3366]

I totally agree, so sweet and so sad

[@c.coffee3035]

Same! I cried so much!

[@katyaallnutt693]

Completely agree

[@bobbicrossman6832]

I friggin' Loved Hocus Pocus 2 & when Winifred did the Spell & Mary & Sarah disappeared I cried too. Couldn't believe Winifred had a heart.

[@TinycanKill]

The only guilt abt this movie is the makeup artist who did that to SJP eyebrows, like you didn't have to do that to her 😔

[@desirai_t9429]

On Kelsey’s theory, I think Danny’s witch outfit matching Hannah’s witch outfit is more of a nod to how in touch Salem was with real witches. I am assuming they got Danny’s costume in Salem, so someone in Salem not only knows what a real witches outfit looks like but specifically ‘Mother’ Witch. What’s funny is that means Danny dressed as their Mother for Halloween and none of them noticed.

[@dapperdabber13]

"I just needed to see them. Like TRULY see them." Yeah I feel this. The sisters felt so disconnected from the teenager trio they didn't even feel like part of the movie. Here it just felt like things happening there's like 3 different plot points going on with the sisters trying to find the mayor, the shop owner trying to find the ingredients for the maxima spell, the teenager trio....I'm not even sure what they were doing. They also didn't feel really connected either like Max, Dani and Allison. And I like that how they get to the sisters felt more natural there too; Max didn't believe in it "it's just a bunch of Hocus Pocus" is iconic, and Allison's family I think owned the home of the Sanderson's and did tours there and stuff. So that curiosity leads to the whole plot of the movie happening. I literally just watched the sequel YESTERDAY and can't remember how things kick off in the movie. I haven't seen the first in a long time and remember almost everything. That says a lot.

[@connerolmedo888]

I’m glad you mentioned Walgreens! This movie could’ve easily been a Super Bowl commercial with just that scene

[@thewatcher6969]

"Stop trying to redeem villains! They eat children!" THANK YOU. I'm honestly surprised Disney had the guts to show Darth Vader be a child killer in Kenobi cause they are so hardcore into this stupid trope of "no one is bad everyone good" and I hate it.

[@hailey7368]

Yes that was my only issue with the movie as well. It felt too family oriented. They were great villains in the first movie but they were just "misunderstood" in this movie lol

[@alaytheaherr]

"cool motive. still murder."

[@snappylobster3118]

As a child, that's what I loved about them- The sisters were just straight-up evil, but could never really cause major damage because they were so dumb they could be outsmarted by two teens and a kid. In this movie they just got random powers, Sarah was somehow a lot smarter, and they seemed to know random things about the present they shouldn't have.

[@cjwoodable]

pretty sure Dani was dressed as the Mother Witch, not that she IS the Mother Witch 😅

[@justineglickman]

LMAO When Zach shrieked "Sisteeeeers" I thought he was James Charles on crack🤣🤣🤣 Then I realized, duh. Hocus Pocus.

[@hailey7368]

My favorite part of the movie was when the group that dressed up as the Sanderson sisters asked to take a picture and they all immediately posed 🤣then they thought they were beautiful because of the filter lol

[@kathleenuclear]

I live VERY close to where this movie was filmed. It gives me a huge sense of pride that it was filmed in my tiny little state, it was BIG NEWS here. I loved seeing some of the places that I know being featured and seeing some of the sets that were built. I also love that there were POC featured in key roles. The young Sanderson sisters were so great too. It wasn't meant to be some huge award winning movie, it was meant to feed nostalgia and to bring new audiences into the world of Hocus Pocus, and I think it did a great job of both.

[@KatieKatt18]

The first only flopped because it came out in August. People weren’t in a Halloween mood at the time and it didn’t make sense. I loved this one. I thought the ending with Winnie and her sister was so sweet. Winnie truly does love her sister and it was heartbreaking seeing her lose them. Also, the theory was Dani was dressed up as Mother Witch.

[@cb1188]

As a fellow woman, I think it’s only right I say this..I disagree with Kelsey. I HATED the ending and was the furthest thing from crying when that happened lol. I wanted to see the OG Sisters wanting all the power and eating children hahaha. Also died when Garrick said “There shouldn’t be” couldn’t agree more with him and Zach on this one. Give me the goofy villains!

[@alaytheaherr]

i am almost always on the opposite end of Kelsey's opinions 😂😂😂 and i feel kinda bad because we're both bi women, but i just can't on some of her takes!

[@QuinnzHell]

Yes! I totally agree and the ending made it feel like they were shoving sisterhood down our throats similar to how they overdid feminism in Captain Marvel.

[@courtneystewart8006]

I get the desire for the cat to be named Thackeray but the reason the man brings them back, in the first place, is because he doesn't know the details of the first situation. No one would know anything about Thackeray being the cat to use his name for the cat.

[@deannascorner8112]

Agree with Kelsey full stop! This is a pleasure and I loved it! Not as good as the original because that is nostalgia and good times but it was still a delight and I bawled at that ending ❤

[@kkfreddy]

The weird thing about this movie is it was half remake, half homage. This movie recycled much of the plot from Hocus Pocus, and even followed a few parallel plot beats and timings. So, to Zach’s point - the witches are summoned with the black flame candle 30 minutes into the original movie as well. Perhaps it’s just more satisfying in the original because the audience theoretically doesn’t yet know how or when the witches might be summoned. In the interim, we are introduced to Max’s developing relationships with Dani (with whom there is clear tension) and Allison (with his puppy love), which are simple and easy to follow. Binx and Billy help move and complicate the plot, help tell the story through function and comedy. Binx’s own plot thread is cleverly bundled with Max’s, so it doesn’t distract from the main events of the movie (and actually, I’d argue it’s one of the most satisfying threads, because Binx’s view of death is so cathartic). Between Max’s bundled plot threads and the witches’ plot, this movie gives the impression of a few clear, interweaving, fun, and simple stories. Contrast this with Hocus Pocus 2 - we keep the “family tension” plot (Becca and Cassie, who acts like a pseudo sister)and the Sandersons chasing the kids and Traske. But we’ve also got Gilbert’s entire third storyline with Billy and the sisters, Becca’s growing witch powers thing, the Magicae Maxima problem, some distracting callbacks to Binx (if the whole point was that he crossed over, and then the witch’s “know” the cat in the house is secretly Binx, we as an audience assume he will indeed come back), and then, the real kicker, some serious plot with actual gravitas, ie. Winnie grappling with the concept of death and its inevitability. That’s heavy at the best of times, but particularly in such a glossy-looking follow up to a notoriously campy original. One of the things that I think sets these apart the most critically is that they follow very different “Disney family” movie formulas - Hocus Pocus is a family movie because it has jokes for kids and jokes for adults, which was a classic formula at the time. Hocus Pocus 2 feels like a Disney Channel Original Movie, and gives a clear overall impression that it’s meant primarily for child audiences. The jokes the adults might laugh at here were designed with the child in mind (as opposed to the innuendo jokes in the original). This means that the reliance on nostalgia could be trying to fill the gap in adult audience interest. Thus, an adult audience member who has no strong positive connections with the first film would be less likely to enjoy this film or feel invested in following all its many plots. I for one was STOKED that Becca has powers, because it seems to pay off the “clever little white witch” comment that Winnifred makes in the first movie; in this world, there could be legit witches anywhere. Could there simply be too many plot threads? Do the plot events hit a little too close to home and border a little too hard on reality? If audiences came in expecting an equally camp sequel, were some maybe put off by how (ironically) grounded it was at times? Did people who only knew Hocus Pocus through memes come in with expectations that didn’t translate? Who knows. As someone who has seen the original every Halloween since it came out, I laughed a lot. TLDR: I was sick off work today, had too much Buckleys, and accidentally wrote a short essay. Hocus Pocus 2 is pretty good if you’ve seen the first and like a DCOM, otherwise you’ll probably find it to be middling.

[@massmutt6173]

Did background work on this in Rhode Island and it was a blast. All of us in costumes and so many of us had grown up on the original so was really cool to be a part of.

[@furlycee]

Kelsey's opinions were honestly so infuriating lol I'm so glad Garrick and Zach validated this: stop trying to give villains a sympathetic background or redeem them! Unless you give them a LONG AND THOUGHT OUT road to get there (like Zuko in Avatar) I don't want this watered-down redemption arc thrown in at the last minute. They were always the baddies since the first movie! They were formidable and charismatic antagonists. You've missed the whole point if you try to make them the good guys! A possible alternate ending that would feel deserved: Winnie loses her sisters and flies into a more predictable rage, goes all out with her powers in a last vengeful plot. Make it last a good portion of the movie, like 20 min or something, where you see her increasingly lonely and unfulfilled by her plan. That way, she stays true to her character when she loses her sisters (she doesn't just do a 180 and lose her angry evil witch side) but she's also learned that she can't do it alone, and when the main characters finally do defeat her, she accepts it as a relief to be back with her sisters. None of this "friendship was the true magic" shit. If you MUST redeem the villain, don't do it at the expense of their own character motivations.

[@kaitlyngomez3907]

There's something to be said that the original was done under Touch Stone, which was Disney, but minus the Disney branding. They put movies under touchstone they found to be too "risky" which included who framed Roger rabbit. Now hocus pocus is widely branded as Disney and comes with the family branding they're known for, maybe the reason it feels so much more "Disney" family friendly than the first one

[@ashleystaley1308]

I think the fact that Kenny Ortega didn't direct this sequel is the reason why I felt disappointed with this film. I'm sure that if he had directed it he would have asked Thora Birch, Omri Katz, and Vinessa Shaw to come back, even if it was just cameos. Also when it comes to the plot, and how it took them a long time to figure out the script, they easily could have used the sequel book written by A. W. Jantha. The book was published by Freeform Books, which is owned by Disney. In the book they even bring back Jay and Ernie. Also I agree with what Zach and Garrick were saying about the witches and redeeming them.

[@lo9659]

Garrick is so right to hypothetically dress up as Wirt 🤣

[@madelinedimayuga4334]

Addition to Garrick’s hype description of his OtGW costume: “y’all already know I’m about to scarf down some POTATOES & MOLASSES up in here 🔥🔥🔥🐸”

[@KirSim92]

I think the Halloweentown Trilogy is the best Disney Halloween Trilogy movies (not including Return to Halloweentown) and it doesn’t get enough love I don’t see anyone movie resting to this amazing trilogy and I thought that maybe you might be the first? Love the podcast y’all Love ALL the podcasts 🤟🏻💚💙💜

[@TheRibottoStudios]

For me the best thing about the movie was One Way or Another. And it doesn't even make sense per the context of the movie. Not to mention the audio only version is way better. This just didn't have that OOMPH of Halloween spirit the first has.

[@dr.tanyajay4473]

I watched this last night with my best friend, we saw the original together in 93/94 and we’ve watched it a few times on Halloween since then. I really enjoyed this movie, the set up for the new witches for a third one was great, it was heartbreaking to see Winnie lose her sisters. I loved it, obviously it could never be as good as the original, but the nostalgia was amazing.

[@Checka2004]

I can't believe Zach and Garrick didn't say the obvious…. this movie needed Kenny Ortega!

[@chepan83]

Kelsey was the moment in this podcast. Like, so on point with everything. The ending was a tearjerker for me too! I will say though, I agree, the teen witches were a little too Disney tween for me too. Honestly, I don't think the writers did a great job of developing them either because whether they had powers or not really didn't matter to the story, and it seemed like that part was just thrown in for a sequel that jump starts a new-age Hocus Pocus. Which, fair.

[@DJKuroh]

Kelsey not realizing you can buy Twin Snakes all year round lol.

[@MariRueter]

I enjoyed Hocus Pocus 2 for the nostalgia, however I felt like they were banking way too much on the nostalgia itself. The Walgreen's scene was funny, but way too drawn out. I'm glad they did something for the fans and it was pretty fun, but I feel like a lot of the magic from the first movie was lost. I agree with Zach about not needing to redeem villains. The first movie was great for what it was.

[@Makaylalexis]

Zack and Garret you are wrong. Kelsey got this 100% ❤ I was so scared and I loved it

[@amandawillett6591]

Aw the guilty pleasure costume idea is awesome! This will be my next Halloween costume theme! Color me inspired.

[@TheAzaura]

Watching this on my day off from college! Because commuting to school in Salem, MA on Halloween is so impossible the school just cancels class.

[@chrissiesnap]

Totally agree with Kelsey. Was BAWLING. I was definitely laughing at myself afterwards for doing so, but still. 😅😭

[@courtneyparks4636]

Kelsey singing Anti Hero was something I didn't know that I needed until right now OMG

[@catemcd5606]

I fully agree this should have just been a Super Bowl ad

[@octopeesh]

i’m so stoked zach recommended trick ‘r treat at the end bc it is my FAVORITE halloween movie and it really doesn’t get enough love

[@_previously]

This episode: “BaCk iN mY DaY” 👴🏿👵🏻👴🏻 I watched both for the first time this year bc of the premiere of the 2nd movie and, as someone who didn’t grow up with the nostalgia of the first movie, I think both were just ok. Cute, Halloween movies that that are just a bit spooky, an easy watch and lots of fun.

[@a_r3499]

LOL at Kelsey "My back hurts!" that movie made me feel old but I loved it! Definitely a pleasure.

[@gamberlane]

I was surprised how good this movie was. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I felt the kitsch-ness of it was what it needed to make it feel like a 90s TV movie.

[@alaytheaherr]

garrick as wirt is 100% something i want to see.

[@harpurr53]

GARRICK SHOULD FR DRESS UP AS WIRT THOUGH... Zach could be Greg and Kelsey could be Beatrice!! It would be so cute!!! Next year??

[@bettyreads222]

also totally teared up at that scene kelsey, just enjoyed for how silly it was and went along for the ride.

[@MadJen81]

I liked it. I think we're all being far too critical of something that while was iconic to our childhoods, is just a movie at the end of the day. Standing on its own, I think it's good...we need to remember, yes, it was a sequel, but it was SO LONG AGO, they likely tried to make it more desirable to a younger audience. And I agree with Kelsey...I liked the touching scenes.

[@anabundanceofsarcasm]

I know I'm a day late, but to answer Garrick's question about how they got banished instead of hanged in the beginning, it's actually accurate. That's in 1653, and the witch trials were 1692-1693. Women like them were more commonly exiled to the outskirts of town or a new town entirely pre-trial. And then original Hocus Pocus starts in 1693 and that's when they're hanged on Halloween. Which isn't quite accurate because hangings stopped in spring 1693. But it definitely wouldn't have had the same vibe if it was May instead of October. (Also agreed, guilty pleasure and I was happy with the flashback opening. I didn't even realize it was that long into the movie when they actual sisters appeared)

[@LivinMyJeffLife]

Kelsey with the Brooke Valentine "Girl Fight" reference. OKAAY👸

[@serephita]

That's pretty cool, concerning SJP. I found out recently that it's likely that one of the pastors who left Salem and then who was accused of witchcraft during the Salem Witch Trials is an ancestor of mine. I haven't been able to find anything definite yet, but it's likely. I was really disappointed that there weren't more connections to the first movie in the new one, but the spelled citizens in the town going down the street felt like a nod to Thriller, with how synchronized they were in their dancing.

[@julianaparra9326]

Can confirm, my friends and I also sobbed

[@earth_2_erica333]

I know October is over, but I need someone to talk about The Halloween Tree. It’s the classic nobody remembers lol

[@earth_2_erica333]

@@OldManYellsAtClouds mine too! Back when Cartoon Network used to rule at Holiday specials. I ended up buying it on DVD last year

[@QuinnzHell]

YES!!!

[@tonybaker8494]

My willing suspension of disbelief has allowed me to believe that they heard one way of another in walgreens 🤷‍♂️

[@QuinnzHell]

Yes 🙌 best explanation

[@donnavalentine6515]

I've never agreed with Kelsey more. I loved this movie!

[@piscesfae]

i was literally eating haribo gummy bears as kelsey brought up haribo LOL i was like wtf.. omg lol my sister has those sour and sweet gummy worms at her apt

[@brianabella115]

Love the Zach and Kelsey matching outfits 😻

[@Kamila-nh5jx]

I agree with Kelsey! I loved the monologue and I cry every time!!

[@sheilar8804]

Couldn't finish the movie. It was a sad remake of a magical story. The house store owner shouldn't have seen the sisters at all, all the kids were under a spell in their pajamas because it was the next morning when they were destroyed in the cemetery....they fucked that up so hard and took me out of the story immediately....they didn't have them be the evil, whitty, clever witches they were in the first one either. Winifred learned in the first movie each time they got tricked (like when she came out speaking French in the pottery kiln). The people who made this movie think were capitalistic idiots and you know what, maybe they're right....

[@drewjohnston4309]

Trick 'r Treat Is an amazing Halloween movie

[@nayeli7699]

PERFECT WAY TO START THE WEEEEK HELLL YEAH

[@Lucky-vc1bd]

I’m cleaning my room this morning thank you so much 🙌🙌🙌🙌🎃🎃🎃🧡🧡🧡 happy Halloween 👻!!!!

[@AbstractlyDelen]

When they got on the Roomba? I died 😂😂😂

[@becomingbelle7457]

Just here to comment that I’m excited for your own channel. This is one of my top 3 podcasts. I mean I’m a weirdo that only listens to 8, but still!

[@strawberries1193]

I am with Garrick and Zach on this one ‘cause it really could’ve been a Super Bowl ad and left it at that. But I adore Kelsey’s bad movie takes, they bring me so much joy lmao. 💜 Also when Zach mentioned doing Trick r’ Treat next year!! YES PLEASE. Such a classic in some circles and yet not enough people talk about it.

[@KathieHeartsYouu]

I love this bc I’m absolutely not watching this movie but I’ll watch tf out of y’all talking about it 😹😹

[@Celesticalhelena77]

I fucking love over the garden wall, Elijah Wood & John Cleese, r u kidding me?

[@minimongoose]

I wish they could have given the teenage girl witches more personality, cause they get outshined by all the other actors who have all the personality. I also wish not for the black cat to be named Thackery, but for the cat to be able to talk and have more influence in the movie. Being named Thackery would just be a bonus

[@allisonsmith5598]

I like that they followed the same general format of the first, where it started in the past and then they took it to modern times. I wasn't bothered that they witches were introduced after 20-30 minutes, I figured they would build the anticipation.

[@snappylobster3118]

Here is my list of grievances: in the town Halloween party scene in the 1st HP, you see Winnie watch the lead singer of the band sing "I put a spell on you". She pauses and seems to get the idea to use that song as a spell (which we were shown in the hanging scene at the beginning is a way they use spells). In the 2nd HP she just suddenly knows the entirety of "One way or another" for no reason at all- when had she heard it before?

[@snappylobster3118]

In the 1st HP, there was a direct plot link between Thackary/Emily's story and Max/Dani's story. The parallel made the danger Dani was often in seem very real and the ending that much more satisfying- Not only did Max save Dani from Emily's fate, he righted the wrong that had been done to Thackary. In the 2nd they tried to do this with the three best friends, but like... they didn't parallel well at all. Winnie took advantage of her sisters often and didn't appreciate them, while the three friends just had one of them get into another friend group. The friends reuniting vs Winnie realizing she was lost w/o her sisters connection is very very weak.

[@snappylobster3118]

While I enjoyed a lot of the jokes in the Wallgreens scene, it felt so incredibly long, like they had stipulated in the contract w/Disney that they needed to have the scene be a certain amount of time. It felt out of place, like a literal commercial.

[@snappylobster3118]

The flashback I didn't mind but the whole reason that the sisters hate Salem... is because they were orphaned and the head of the town thought she should get married??? Listen, we might forget this but puritan culture didn't exactly allow for women to be independent. Women having any power is the source for a lot of the historical witch accusations because they were a threat to the patriarchal structure of that society. Marriages at the time weren't as what we see them today, they were essentially business agreements. What was Winnie going to do to support her and her sisters? They need to eat, keep the house warm and maintained, they needed to stay clothed. How were they going to survive without the support of their community....

[@snappylobster3118]

Banishment essentially meant death in colonial Massachusetts; This was such a cruel overreaction to her refusal that just didn't make any sense to me. If Winnie had rejected MULTIPLE offers of marriage, banishment would maybe make more sense. What about the most logical reason for them to be rejected by society... practicing Witchcraft???? Modern morals reject the idea that a woman needs a man, as did I as a child; I saw these women being three little weirdos in the woods as a great thing, bucking the oppression of a patriarchal society. I was under the impression they had ALWAYS been those three little weirdos, a community outside of the norm. Them BECOMING Witches as opposed to just inherently being Witches is... a massive bummer.

[@queenbratbracken]

There is a substantial percentage of the world population who does not care what Twitter thinks, myself included.

[@dr.tanyajay4473]

Agreed.

[@c.coffee3035]

Same.

[@celsobeltran5011]

I also loved the ending. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@sam_art21321]

i wonder how the podcasts getting individual channels works from a technical standpoint-when you search up the podcasts, only the TryPods channel shows up and if you click on a Guilty Pleasures or YCSWU episodes it shows it as its own channel?? thats so cool! also so confusing, would love to know how that all works🤔

[@vanessaramirez5764]

I am 1000% with Kelsey on this!! Every single girl I know loved and cried at that scene!! The whole episode I kept saying to myself ugh The guys are being such guys rn! Lol.

[@ahlimahs]

Just a quibble, Penny & Garry Marshall were brother & sister

[@KellysKraftwerk]

I was going to add that!

[@MissGhostface]

The best part of the entire movie is BUSTER!!! We were dying!

[@kimberlykbrady]

@ kelsey I just discovered Haribo Halloween sour bats. Time to go stock up on post-holiday sale candy!

[@trevorshelton664]

The whole thing with the people watching Hocus Pocus in the movie made me thing of Scream and Stab, like how Stab is the in-universe version of scream, so maybe that movie was the in-universe version of Hocus Pocus. Like, someone who was there the night the Sanderson Sisters came back the first time may have become a writer or producer and made a movie based on the events of the first movie.

[@illyanam1842]

I agree with Garrett & Zach wholeheartedly! Stop Making Redemption Stories For Villains!!! Let Them Be Villains!!!!

[@mushroomladyy]

garricks halloween costume answer made me so happy!! i was greg a couple years ago and i have an enoch tattoo :)

[@levizorius8882]

It was definitely Siri, not Alexa. It was weird to me they used an Apple Homepod for this scene. Not even the current HomePod mini. You can’t even buy a new homepod from Apple. It made me question if this was Disney+ or Appltv+.

[@tiff7920]

Kelsey!!! Great news, twin snakes are not just Halloween candy! You can enjoy all year

[@christafollano800]

I watch trick r treat every year! It's the perfect Halloween movie. Also I liked the review. I'd hesitate to show our 5 yr old hocus pocus 1, but this makes me inclined to watch the 2nd one together, while I consume the nostalgia bate.

[@xoviolet32]

the street fair/stage scenes (I haven’t seen the movie lol) we’re filmed in my home town ! also who’s gonna tell Kelsey that twin snakes are around all year long hahah

[@cpaigemcd]

Haven’t even gotten past the ads yet…just had to say thank you guys for churning this out so fast!!! Awesome to have ON Halloween 🎃 ❤❤❤

[@valorielafaele8568]

What are you TALKING ABOUT the first movie has the superior plot?? The first one actually HAD a plot, the second mish mashed random storyline’s like a person who thought they could cram a seasons worth of storyline’s into a movie. The first had a beginning middle and end. That being said I like the second fine but the first is way better

[@katiex3171]

starring lilia buckingham, child of one of the mothers who were arrested for bribing their kids way into college

[@david_2364]

Now I’m pissed you didn’t do Trick R Treat once you mentioned it! I’m expecting it next year.

[@nisabizahaloni101]

the only thing that truly bothered me was just how... low-performance those kids were. Like the older cast brought the energy- even Sam Richardson and the dad! They brought heart and soul into it and the kid actors....were so low-energy, I had more fun seeing the adults than i did watching the children.

[@jennysped1]

I would like to officially request you watch the original Muppet Movie! I 100% think Kelsey will love it! ❤️ Get ready to remember me, I'm gonna request this a lot.....

[@javeriakhan7240]

camera quality CRISP

[@barbradawnbarrett]

I was unprepared for how much I liked it! And I 100% cried at the end!!

[@mesawoods7026]

I remember the first time watching hocus-pocus. I was a LITTLE kid I mean preK little. My older brother put itbon because he thought it would be funny because he genuinely believed it would scare me.... this started a life long OBSESSION with witches. He has been kicking himself ever since lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tweetthang96]

Cassie’s (the mayor’s daughter) boyfriend is played by Froy Guttierez (apologies if I’ve misspelled that) and he does such a good job playing that himbo 😂😂😂. Also an edit: The actress who played Dani couldn’t appear due to scheduling conflicts, and I think they decided not to even ask Allison and Max after that because of “all or nothing” thinking

[@user_unav]

Not Halloween related but I’ve been rewatching the white lotus season 1 to get ready for season 2. Haven’t really seen anyone talk about it but it’s pretty great

[@Bloomster1836]

Gary and Penny Marshall were brother and sister not a couple.

[@sro1431]

YAS!!!! I've been waiting for Trick 'r Treat!!!!! 😍

[@spoidabetch]

i mean they literally hung them in the first movie 🤣 they for sure could've been harsher than 'banishing' them

[@FramesPerSecond]

They need to do Pan’s Labyrinth next October. It’s my favourite movie of all time!

[@JuliaMaia1998]

I need Zach’s hoodie!!! Where’s it from??? I’m obsessed ✨ Also, love you guys! You’re the only reason I look forward to Monday mornings.

[@tonie48]

This movie is the perfect sequel, I loved it and does what I needed it to do

[@Lexley_]

I’m surprised they didn’t talk about how boring the teenagers were in this movie. They all had the exact same personality