Do Similar Upgrades Change the Outcome of a Battle in OG Rome: Total War?

[@nickdagk896]

My guess is the big difference from the Chosen Axemen test comes down to their armour piercing stat. They get +3 in armour while Chosen Swordmans +3 is halved due to their enemies AP attack

[@nickdagk896]

I think you can see the same kinda thing with the AP pilla of the cohorts which cause more casualties when upgraded

[@pablolongobardi7240]

​@@nickdagk896but is the pila upgraded? I understand missile weapons have their own upgrade

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Ah, a very good point. That likely explains it :) Thanks for the comment.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

@@pablolongobardi7240 Imo in MP, the weapon upgrade affects all weapons? :) Thanks for the comment.

[@sarmatiancougar7556]

A truly awesome test! I think we can conclude that the upgrades in Rome 1 are very well balanced.

[@ЭдуардЯляев]

Не совсем , потому что те же Римляне благодаря этим грейдам стают еще сильнее , пилумы помимо бронебойности получаются еще смертоноснее и летальнее , поэтому Сципионы имеют самый крутой храм и самые сильные войска

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Thanks for the comment. Seems to be the case. Though, as some pointed out, AP weapons tend to gain some advantage there :)

[@Warmaker01]

Test 2: "Local Bloke Utterly Obsessed With Roman Empire Because He Too Would Like To Be Destroyed By Goths"

[@qualityoldgames7721]

:D Thanks for the comment.

[@DFuxa]

Probably should have used the Alt Attack on the Praetorian Cavalry to see if there would be any meaningful difference there, but it seems we can rule out any significant changes here.

[@07jaworski07]

@DFuxa + 1 attack and also attacking from different directions rather than just to the front it all helps to max out the damage done.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Thanks for the comment. Perhaps. Then again, it was consistent with and without the upgrades :)

[@eduardosousa9106]

there is something wrong in your conclusion. (which you had no way to know, its fine, just letting you know for the future) A weapon / armour upgrade actually gives a +2 bonus to the respective stat, not +1. The game interface tells you it is +1 but in the code its actually +2. This has been confirmed by people at Feral who worked on the remaster. So the chosen axemen actually went from 0 to 6 armour, which is an even larger difference, though in melee it would make much less difference than when being shot by missiles. This also means a unit can have +15 attack and defense if their xp and upgrades are at the max, which makes it super OP. A peasant unit can have 16/16, and an urban cohort can have 33 missile attack, 29 melee attack, and 39 defense...

[@07jaworski07]

@eduardosousa9106 so + 1 2 3 is just for orientation purposes huh... always knew bonuses gave more than stated but damnation...

[@eduardosousa9106]

@07jaworski07 i think its simply an oversight from the developpers. The xp bonuses accurately reflect the game code (+1 attack and defense). It seems they simply forgot to make it +2, 4 and 6 for the other ones

[@ЭдуардЯляев]

Отличная новость ,учитывая что даже при расчете грейда кузницы в 1 балл к характеристикам он лучше 1 очка опыта это нереальный буст для фракции ,которые могут выйти в золото , Сципионы ,Селевкиды и Египет -мощь)

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Thanks for the comment. I agree that Weapon and Amour upgrades are better than XP. However, at the same time, it seems that they give only +1. I tested this in Remastered (link below) :) Upgrades and "raw stats": kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGq5Znqso9eZZ7c Upgrades vs. Experience: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXLcdIqjq9yZaLs

[@bobjackson4287]

The take away from this is that in almost every case the ups side had more casualties. Take away being that weapon ups are overall more valuable?

[@07jaworski07]

@bobjackson4287 yes, weapons give more benefit than armor. But that's because armor offers less protection per point than shield or def skill do (ain't 100%) which i tested a little bit to just notice. But hey armor works from all angles right and not just from the front and left or whatever.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Hmm. That might be the case :) Thanks for the comment.

[@pablolongobardi7240]

Now, how many eastern infantry a fully upgraded peaseant can take 1 by one

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Let's find out :) Thanks for the comment.

[@hornster98]

awesome videos! i would like to see how many civilians are needed to stop a unit of praetorian cavarly

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Thanks for the comment. I will add that to To-Do list :) Edit: And by civilians, do you peasants, Town Watch or Urban Cohorts? :)

[@hornster98]

@@qualityoldgames7721 nice! I mean paesants/farmers yes, the cheapest unit, thanks!

[@07jaworski07]

Praetorians did well I think. Better than expected xD.

[@qualityoldgames7721]

Agreed on that :) Thanks for the comment.