Do Speaker Baffles make Speakers Sound Better?

[@soundbites1152]

Making the enclosure smaller for a typical car audio 6.5 driver designed to run free-air isn't going to do it any favors. Good job pointing this out to those on the fence.

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea that’s about what I suspected. Had to try for science! Thanks for checking it out!

[@gabc6296]

Car doors are worst place for any driver ' the speaker reproduces the sound not the whole door playing ' 6.5" speaker needs 11-13 litres of space in an enclosure ' the excursion of the rear of the cone fires at 45-70 degree angles ' so the worst thing to do is put your speaker in a tunnel ' manufacturers should start redesigning door cards to only cover top half of door & bottom should be full length wooden speaker enclosure instead of pockets for junk ' sound deadener & sound absorption are two different things ' the idea is to stop vibration from speaker being transferred to door sheet metal

[@DaBadNewz]

@gabc6296 yea needless to say they didn’t help

[@SangalDigital]

This was very interesting to watch. We need more of these quirky audio tests. Keep doing what you're doing!

[@DaBadNewz]

Thank you, I really appreciate that! I’m trying to drop one every week.

[@MurderousMindstate]

These are made to reduce or remove resonance from having so much open space behind the driver. Thus reducing mid-bass. They work well to improve lower range vocals, those tend to get lost behind the baffle of the door. Think about it, you are shrinking the box tremendously which brings fs way up as well. You'd have noticed the difference playing some nice vocal tracks. So yes, these were not meant to accomplish what you need. You need help in a lower frequency band. I am also a deaf bonce dealer so I am curious how you like the new drivers.

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea I didn’t expect much out of them, more so just wanted to disprove their Amazon claims lol. And so far I really like them! (I’ve had em installed for a while now and am just kinda slow to getting to the edits). They’re still not particularly great in the lower mid frequencies, but I expected that and already have something to address it (being a DB dealer you can probably take a guess). But for the vocal range and even some of the higher stuff get nice n loud and still maintain clarity really well. I’m very happy with them and will likely look at DB again in the future.

[@ActualNonsense]

“its not a race car, its a bass car.” all it took for me to subscribe this guy is great

[@DaBadNewz]

Hahahah that’s awesome! Well I hope the content keeps you around. Thanks for that!

[@techblade837]

​@@DaBadNewz You should sell bumper stickers

[@DaBadNewz]

@@techblade837 that’s a really great idea, and actually something I’ve been looking into a lot lately. Pretty much once I figure out what route is best for me, I’ll be dropping a few designs. Thanks for the encouragement!

[@KristianTaylor]

SAME. Instant like and subscribe.

[@DaBadNewz]

@@KristianTaylor I really appreciate that! That means a lot!

[@stevenneese2823]

I have this feeling your KZbin channel is going to take off. You're easy to listen to. Keep it up

[@DaBadNewz]

Hey man that's big! I honestly appreciate that. I'm still trying to figure it out, but comments like that are super motivational. I appreciate you man!

[@luidgioishi7953]

Still haven’t seen a better door bass solution than acoustic/thermal isolating the whole door, currently buying stuff to do it by myself

[@DaBadNewz]

Definitely! I’m literally editing that video right now! I had already done a decent job, but the same day I tried the boom mats, I decided to hit em up again and do 100% with the deadening on the doors and door panels, and just about the same with close cell foam. Much better! Thanks for checking out the video and leaving some insight man, I appreciate that!

[@haygood9]

I use those with my speakers and they sound awesome in my truck, o use some sound deadening, fast rings and boom mats to keep the sound from escaping into my door and keep all the sound inside.

[@DaBadNewz]

oh nice they worked out for you? Glad they did the trick for somebody! No doubt the rings and deadening help out a bit. Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@santanadegollado9812]

You right.... some applications they work for but mainly they are used for weather proofing & rear trunk mount to keep bass from distorting 6x9s 6.5s etc.

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea as far as the acoustic benefits in the door, basically none. But that’s why we try! Thanks for checking it out!

[@santanadegollado9812]

Appreciate your work & content... you got good reviews I'm definitely checking out your channel now, I'm new here & just found yo channel 💯💯💯

[@DaBadNewz]

Hey man I appreciate that!! I’m still trying to figure this whole youtube thing out, so I really appreciate the folks that fw the content.

[@WateriZgood]

What I did was cut the back of the bottom half off which made a big difference. Still water proof from the top and has the airspace underneath

[@DaBadNewz]

That’s been a pretty common suggestion that I wasn’t really expecting, but it would definitely be interesting to test that to see what results I get. I just decided not to run them. I wasn’t committed to them, and they don’t even fit the new speakers, so they’re just spare at this point. Thanks for your suggestion though! It’s popped up enough that now I’m really curious.

[@WateriZgood]

Yea my first speakers started corroding from getting wet so I wanted to protect my new JBL Stadiums.

[@DaBadNewz]

Oh yea that’s no fun! That would probably make me reconsider not using them too

[@frankiebaugher3778]

They make them like that already open in the back , i thot of getting some to protect me speaks every one just tells me they will fine unless u have rain blowing sideways in ur doors 😂

[@chrisbellevue]

Damn that Apocalypse looks serious!

[@DaBadNewz]

They really are! Side by side to the older Pioneers I had, there is no comparison!

[@rschneid1996]

I suggest putting a 1 square inch opening in the down facing surface of the baffles. This allows airflow in and out of the "box" created by the baffle. I find this improves the bass / mid-bass coming from the speaker.

[@DaBadNewz]

That’s been a surprisingly common suggestion (that I never even considered). And while it might work, it’s not even worth it for my purposes tbh. Plus, the baffles would never fit around the new speakers anyway. I’ll be installing midbass speakers pretty soon in their own enclosure. Thanks for the suggestion though!

[@exaltedone2799]

I used them on 4 6x8's and they sounded great. Got a new car that has 4 6.5's and didn't get the same results. I think the fact that the 6x8's had a larger inside volume helped a lot. The 6.5's are smaller and stiffer because of that. They sound terrible when you turn it up past 1/3 volume.

[@DaBadNewz]

That's cool you at least got to experience SOME kind of benefit from them.

[@richardcranium2436]

By far one of the best reviews on a product ever and I wasn’t interested in the baffles before or after watching. Just well thought out well made top notch review video. Great job dude!

[@DaBadNewz]

Damn that's a really big compliment! I really appreciate that, thank you!

[@richardcranium2436]

@@DaBadNewz a well deserved compliment keep it up

[@DaBadNewz]

@richardcranium2436 thanks man!

[@richardcranium2436]

@@DaBadNewz your welcome

[@tatialo37]

Thanks for the post!!! I've always wanted to see something like this!!! And been thinking about buying the same car!!!

[@DaBadNewz]

Basically why I did it! I always been curious about these too. Happy to be the guinea pig lol. Hope you pick up that xB and enjoy it!

[@CrystalClearSQL]

I have seen a noticeable difference when mids are in a proper enclosure but i agree foam isn't the best solution. Those DB mids are beasts... don't think that booty would even fiit in the "speaker baffle" thing lol. Glad to see you're back, looking forward to the door speaker installation video. Good times.

[@DaBadNewz]

Oh for sure! And please believe, that IS happening (eventually lol). Just gotta take these baby steps for now. And yea so far they’ve been great! I was actually kinda blown away by a little distance test I did. And thanks! Trying to do weekly uploads now so let me know if the quality starts dippin

[@sainhadam1478]

It worked for me. Got rid of that megaphone 📣 in a 🪣 sound. And gave.the midbass more definition. I definitely didn't increase the bass, but is certainly an improvement.

[@DaBadNewz]

Really? That’s awesome! I feel like I didn’t have that particular sound UNTIL the baffles (although only in the midbass frequencies). Did you use the same ones? Either way, those results are pretty cool for the price! Thanks for leaving your experience!

[@fredleeman8186]

Super funny thing is it’s 521 am and that is exactly what I was going to work on today because it is Saturday. My mid base is very lacking. I have some of these and was going to install guess we’ll see how they sound. I had headphones on to listen to your video and I’m going to throw this out there. I did not have high hopes for this, thanks for the awesome video and keeping us informed

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea me either. It really was one of those things where curiosity got the best of me even though I was pretty sure they wouldn't quite do it. But shiit if you already got em, definitely let me know if you have a different experience. There is a very slight possibility I judged em harshly based on my own "just for testing" install. Either way, thanks for watching!

[@topnotchcontent]

I always wanted to know if those worked! It's almost like it makes the enclosure even smaller and reduced the bass. Good Vid!

[@DaBadNewz]

Me too man, had to try, and yea that's exactly what happened! That and the foam is just too flimsy to really even act as an enclosure...it's more like a shitty filter lol. Thanks for checking it out!

[@topnotchcontent]

@DaBadNewz Haha it filtered out all the bass! Good stuff.

[@DaBadNewz]

boom!

[@timk.537]

I've just finished soundeadeing my Fpace SVR and bought a nuce set of focal for my mid 6.5. The guy gave me this exact same foam baffle. I think I'll pass on installing as the outset door doesn't see any weather elments. The comment section here was also helpful. Thanks.

[@DaBadNewz]

Glad it was useful! And yea you really wont be taking some huge risk without them. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving feedback!

[@Billdoe631]

Bro, your video quality is GANGSTER! I hope you are doing good Brother!

[@DaBadNewz]

I appreciate that man! I'm still figuring this whole thing out, but I'm trying!

[@jordanlee1237]

Also just want to say Excellent video, i subbed after watching your take on this video because it was engaging, fun to watch and kinda hear/ see the difference. glad you popped up on me feed!

[@DaBadNewz]

Thanks man!! I really appreciate that! I’m trying to start doing weekly uploads so hopefully I give you reason to stay subscribed

[@mikehartigan2703]

I just found (and subscribed to) your channel today! I'm about to do some binge watching to get caught up... Years ago I had an 85 Mercury Cougar (with the 5.0L 😎). The stock speakers in the rear dash were 5x7s. There were factory baffles behind them made of really stiff cardboard type material and lined on the inside with standard vehicle insulation mats. They were about the same size as the Boom mats. I was amazed at how much bass that car had! My friends thought I had a small sub in the trunk. I tried removing them thinking they would be louder because of the trunk, but put them back in. There was definitely more bass with the baffles in place.... I did eventually put a single 12" MTX Eliminator (mid 1990s) back there and built a custom box to fit the trunk. But I left the stock speakers in place.

[@DaBadNewz]

Oh man that’s really cool! Thanks! I appreciate the sub! Those factory baffles sound a lot more useful than these Boom Mats were. And that sounds like it was nice car! Thanks for checking out the video, hope you like the others!

[@russellcrabtree5314]

Thanks for the information. Saved me some headache and money! See ya next time!!

[@DaBadNewz]

Thanks for checking out the video! Glad to help! See you at the next Bass Meet

[@russellcrabtree5314]

Hey, those Deaf Bonce Arnold's are bigger than the rest of the 6.5s hole sizes. You may have to trim more hole than normal!

[@DaBadNewz]

I did! I had to shave a good lil amount out of my MDF adapters. Luckily the metal didn't need to be cut any bigger.

[@russellcrabtree5314]

@@DaBadNewz are they loud?😁

[@DaBadNewz]

They do pretty good! I had to actually adjust the gain down a lil bit when I first installed them because they were starting to overpower the sub! I don't know if you heard at the last meet, but that was the first time I had done any kind of distance test on them and they did a lot better than I was expecting. I'm going to show all that in a future video

[@thediddlefiddler5569]

Bro for mids, you gotta try the Image Dynamics if you can do 6.5s. I haven't tried them all but Ive gone through Kenwoods, Pioneers, Kickers and JBLs and the IDs, by far do a fantastic job of closing the gap the sub makes.

[@DaBadNewz]

Damn I wish I would have known that before I picked ip my Deaf Bonce 8 midbass! I don’t think I’ve heard those in person, but I’m open to anything that gets the job done. I’ll have to check those out! Thanks for the suggestion!

[@chrisxsol]

Which ones bro I’ve been trying to find a set of door speakers with bass but no luck

[@DaBadNewz]

the REAL solution is some midbass speakers! The Arnolds do a decent job though, especially if the doors are treated

[@wutupclegg6618]

I never understood why they would claim that baffles provide more mid-bass. Maybe if you're getting too much deep bass and you don't like it. A baffle will lessen the airspace for your speaker. This causes substantially less bass. I you want more mid-bass, sound deaden your door. Put it all over inside of the outer door skin and all over the door skin where the door panel goes. Basically, you will build your door into a speaker box. You don't need the sound deadening material to do this.

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea that always sounded like some marketing bs to me, so I had to find out for science lol. And yea that’s exactly what I did (literally same day as this video was shot). The doors and panels already had about 50% coverage, so I went ahead and finished the job. Very funny the way you worded your comment, almost word-for-word the way I described it in the video I’m literally editing right now about it. Thanks for the suggestion man!

[@wutupclegg6618]

@@DaBadNewz LOL... I try to be more clear about it. I have had people actually put the material on the actually plastic door panel. Also, check the air space requirement for that new speaker to make sure your door offers enough airspace.

[@DaBadNewz]

The plastic panels in this car definitely benefit from a lil weight. They like to resonate. But yea measuring the airspace would help me dial it in a lot better. Appreciate the tips!

[@cucukachu5221]

I've had a few of those for at least 2 years and never put them in. Seeing what they actually do, I'd hit it wit some flex seal and stiffen it up a bit.

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea a lot of people have suggested stiffening them up, but honestly, unless you just want the weather protection, I don’t really think it’s worth the trouble. They don’t even fit the speakers I got now

[@toysforboysrc]

If it’s worth mentioning, I was gonna get those but I went with the Recoil rubber open back baffles. I did it bcs I also was curious but mostly bcs I’m Building a 98 Integra and older cars don’t seal as well 30 years later. Ironically after installing my gear, I had rain and a few water drops landed on the baffle and it saved the speaker. I didn’t try a before and after bcs I been messing with audio long enough to tell what the changes would be. The recoil also have a “Sound projection” design that aims the sound to you instead of spreading out. That most definitely has a big impact because I held the speaker in my hand with and without the recoil baffle and it was a no brainer night & day difference. Call me Puerto Rican 😝 but it motivated me enough to sound deaden my front doors with sheets of rubber foam that I been saving from Amazon packages. How good does it work?… the proof was there when I shut the car doors.. sounded and felt solid and quiet, totally not like a 30 yr old car lol.

[@DaBadNewz]

Oh I believe it!! My homie has a Mazda 3 and that dude has stuffed every type of foam/fabric/old shirts n blankets/etc in his shit…but you can’t tell me it doesn’t sound like a Maybach when he closes the door. Complete silence! And I believe you about the Recoils too, the designs that direct the sound seem like a much more likely option. And I bet the rubber helps too since it’s a bit more solid. AND they saved your speakers? That’s a win! Sounds like a dope project though! Those integras always been some dope ass cars.

[@scu-dub]

Hey bro i was thinking the same tish!!!! Its like my sounds are missing that mid bass i was gonna make some boxes or fit some 6×9s in the cubbies in the back on the side where those pointless cutouts are on the back walls....

[@DaBadNewz]

There’s actually a Toyota Rumion trim piece that had some speakers in there…but the diy would be fun! I wanna do something there too, but idk what yet

[@DJReacts777]

You're supposed to cut out a little square hole in the bottom to allow for a ported enclosure. I don't mess with them but when someone wants them, that's how I and many othe's do it an dit sounds a lot better. But that Def Bonce will do ya right! I run one of their Avatar 15's in mine with a JP63 amp.

[@DaBadNewz]

I’ve been super surprised by how many people have suggested that! And it definitely seems reasonable to think it would have a beneficial impact, but tbh, I just wanted to test them as is (and since that wasn’t a manufacturer recommendation, it wasn’t part of the test. But it’s definitely something worth coming back to). And yea the Deaf Bonces have been treating me very nicely! Still actually have a couple 8s to install, but so far I’m very happy. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving a suggestion!

[@arshadmohamed6330]

It sounded like it added some distortion to the sound. Maybe from the vibrations of the wire or sumn idk. Thanks for the vid

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea definitely! and yea it might have been the wires/foam not sitting together right or something, idk either, but either way, PASS lol. Thanks for checking it out and leaving a comment!

[@bigdogbrodavepresents6178]

Ya PORT the Boom Mat enclosure in relation to corner loading aka the port should aim towards the front of the door. Simple hole in the Boom Mat will direct lower freqs towards the door and corner load thus an INCREASE in BASS.... Something ya gotta TWEAK. Good Video. BDBD/2024.

[@DaBadNewz]

Fair enough! might be worth trying in the future if I give these another shot. For this build though, my new speakers wont even fit in the boom mats, so they're just spares for now. Thanks for checking it out! and I appreciate the insight!

[@bigdogbrodavepresents6178]

@@DaBadNewz Old Timer here... installer from the 70's... 80's.... 90's.... 2000's...LOL.... Hung it up in 2008, called it a CAREER. I have worked on thousands of sound systems in as many cars. The DOOR... You can get a lot of sound out of them TO a POINT... Heres a trick. Calculate the AIRSPACE inside that DOOR there and LOAD in Speakers that match that reading... I am the 6x9 in the door guy... (the 70') here. I WISH I could fit 6x9's in my Kia doors... They have a WARM sound along with strong bottom end response as 6x9's go... BIGGER THE BETTER in the DOORS... My take. Heres to EXPERIMENTATION... and then helping the general PUBLIC with your RESULTS.... Very good... keeping the FLAME of AUTOSOUND..... LIT.... for yet another GENERATION..... Go make some NOISE!!!!!!!!!!!! BDBD/2024.

[@DaBadNewz]

That sounds like a pretty extensive career! And that sounds like a much smarter approach to the doors. My plan was gonna be to throw shit at it until something works! Measuring everything out and doing it the right way sounds a little more cost effective though. And thank you! I just love documenting the process.

[@bigdogbrodavepresents6178]

@@DaBadNewz @DaBadNewz... I noticed your HANDLE... your NAME... thats what got me to CLICK on yer page.... Good to know. RESEARCH!!!!.... BDBD.

[@bigdogbrodavepresents6178]

BIGDOGBRODAVE PRESENTS... what I been doing... I was in LIVE Sound Engineering for decades here in Honolulu... at NIGHT... and days... AUTOSOUND engineering... Go man GO.

[@joshuakemp1439]

Just a suggestion but you should maybe try the nvx ones. They seem to be great material and do what they say. Check them out. Great video

[@DaBadNewz]

Not a bad idea if I'm looking for some in the future. I've never used any NVX stuff myself, but I've heard good things. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@scu-dub]

Man you gotta put me on those tail lights! Lol i have had my 2011 release for over 10 years and cant find no custom head or tail lights! Its bs that they stopped making tish after 2010.....im bout to put some 22s on my tish just cause im bored lol

[@DaBadNewz]

I honestly just got lucky! Went to the junkyard for some daytime running lights and found these by accident. If you look up other toyota rumion parts, you might find some extra accessories (but still not many)

[@scu-dub]

@DaBadNewz thanks man I see a few different styles on ebay but don't trust if they'll fit up or not....shame those killer 2010 headlights with the leds running across the top don't fit a 2011 smh thanks bro✌🏼

[@DaBadNewz]

@scu-dub no problem man! Good luck on your project!

[@No_Transitory]

What amp are you using for the door/tweeter speakers?

[@DaBadNewz]

Down4Sound JP284 (I just posted the install video today)

[@frankiebaugher3778]

I ordered one b here tomorrow 😁

[@RealMaxton]

the sundown salt200.4 is great for mids/high amps

[@DaBadNewz]

I mean I’m sure it’s pretty great, but it’s also about $430 more (or a little over double), the one I got. That $/watt just doesn’t work for this build. Thanks for the insight though! I’m definitely open to checking one out in the future

[@RealMaxton]

@@DaBadNewz no problem

[@chrisjoseph8220]

Really what there good for is a weather protectant from Rain, Moisture, etc. So that being said they do have a purpose. Good video though. Thanks for the test.

[@DaBadNewz]

Absolutely! They serve a purpose, just not one I need for my build at the moment. Thanks for checking it out and leaving your input!

[@rynev3392]

Great video, I’ve been curious about these for a while now. The problem with speakers that small is they can only play so loud at lower frequencies, they most likely roll off significantly at 150-200hz and forcing them to play lower than that would cause higher distortion at high volumes. Look into getting a calibrated microphone and REW software on a computer, that’ll allow you to test the capabilities of each speaker in your system. Hopefully that helps a little

[@DaBadNewz]

Definitely! I don't expect a crazy amount of mid bass from a 6.5, but I definitely wanna squeeze out as much as possible you know? That was why I rolled off the low mids in the first place, to limit distortion. And it's funny you mention the calibrated mic because I've been meaning to get one anyway for work, (I'm actually an audio engineer when not doing car audio). I actually have another set of speakers to install to REALLY address the mid bass (besides the DB 6.5s), but I'm keeping that quiet for now. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving suggestions!

[@rynev3392]

@@DaBadNewz The mic and software are really handy, I use it mostly for my home theater speaker calibration and testing house curves along with many other things. But recently found out that it works well car audio systems. Using the softwares pink noise and individual tone generators really helps with setting up equalizers, speaker limitations, time delay and many more things. It’s powerful software for people who love tinkering with the sound of speakers. Definitely worth it. My microphone was maybe $100 and the software is free to download

[@DaBadNewz]

@rynev3392 sounds like I may need to take a look! Which mic are you using?

[@rynev3392]

@@DaBadNewz miniDSP UMIK-1…. I bought it a few years ago and it’s never had any problems

[@DaBadNewz]

Thanks, good to know!

[@rickyjackson5160]

What's the instructions say you got to put like a slit by the inch

[@DaBadNewz]

The instructions definitely didn’t say anything about cutting a slit in them. That HAS been a very popular suggestion though

[@Basshead40]

So I bought these too and wanted to use some uv resin inside and on the back of them, cause I agree the material isn't solid at all. Wonder how they'd sound then..

[@DaBadNewz]

I’m considering coming back to them and doing something like that just for testing purposes, but not any time soon. I’m sure it would do SOME kind of benefit

[@Basshead40]

@DaBadNewz right right.. the smd flash resin is incredibly impressive even minus kitty mat fiber glass

[@DaBadNewz]

Seems like the perfect stuff for this application

[@jordanlee1237]

I used a different brand that looked a little thicker and deeper than yours (could be wrong) on a set of kappa 63ix's. they produce a decent bit of midbass and a little bit of bass but it sounded uncontrolled and would rattle the doors a little bit at higher volumes, so i decided to go with those and it seemed to tighten up the midbass and reduce the overall bass of the speaker as a whole but also removed the rattle sound i was hearing from the door, now i should have just sound deadened the doors and that would have probably allowed for more bass and overall output of the speakers but i was still pleased with the outcome, we have a little 10inch sub in the car that takes care of the bass and even a little bit of midbass anyways. its my brothers car he doesn't like his music loud just wants a decent sound quality and i feel for the average person and depending on application like you stated these are the answer.

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea I definitely think the money is better spent on some sound deadening, especially if the car is particularly noisy from the factory (like my xB). That does a lot more for the overall sound quality than a foam baffle ever could. Thanks for your feedback!

[@Zachecker]

Ay great video man!

[@DaBadNewz]

Thanks man! I appreciate that!

[@matthewpeters2703]

Great editing by the way

[@DaBadNewz]

Thanks man, I really appreciate that!

[@lee28.78]

Those dead bonce blow way way to easy! Get some sky high audio 6.5! On point!!

[@DaBadNewz]

Are those pretty decent? I was looking at them when I was shopping around, but I never got a chance to hear them. From what I heard, the DB do fine as long as you throw em rated power and correctly filter, that's why I took the risk (after hearing them in a few builds). Hopefully they work out alright, they been good to me so far! Thanks for the input!

[@jeremyhearn8941]

I tried them in the past when they first came out. I installed in all 4 corners and found i lost all my midbass, so i pulled them all out the next day. Theyre still sitting in a corner somewhere 15yrs later

[@DaBadNewz]

sounds like what's gonna happen with these...got em sitting on the shelf with the old door speakers. oh well!

[@jasonclemente4392]

So cutting 40% off the bottom would make it good for sealing it against rain that travels down your door. Like not even for the sound just for protection against your $200+ speakers. And this isnt pointed to someone. Its just information for everyone who finds it useful. Also, it does make a good form for fiberglass molds if youre into that.

[@DaBadNewz]

I’m completely blown away by how many people have suggested that. That wasn’t even the point of the test, but it’s super interesting that so many people have that in mind. Definitely good shapes though!

[@princea1i3]

What is your opinion on the Recoil silicone baffles in regards to sound quality?

[@DaBadNewz]

I actually haven't tried them. But giving them a look on Amazon, I would honestly expect most of the benefit of those to come from weather protection. It would seem like they affect the sound quality about as much as these foam baffles did, but again, I'm just taking a guess. Having an open back might help them out though. Would be an interesting little test!

[@ch9nnel99]

Nah you're totally right, they don't. Door speakers are designed to be run infinite baffle, so sealing them in a tiny foam pod is not going to do anything for midbass. Sound treating the inner and outer door shell plus the door panel and securing wiring, clips, the door lock and window panel etc to eliminate vibration and completely isolating the front wave from the back wave is the best course of action to squeeze the most performance out of any speaker in that location. Also, MDF speaker rings are going to absorb moisture and rot/decay. We have the same car and I'm even going black and green. I am a former pro installer starting a MASSIVE competition SQL build and a full sound treatment of the doors with ABS speaker rings and some other goodies are next after brakes if you wanna connect on IG. What will help is a foam ring around the speaker that mates to the door panel and directs sound into the cabin instead of into the the interior of the panel.

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea getting the door sealed better is exactly what I did (that video drops tomorrow!). And the MDF is a “temporary” solution for that exact reason. I’m also planning on ABS, but I’ve been considering acrylic for lighting purposes (the only reason I don’t have em yet). The fast rings would definitely help though! And I’d love to check out an SQL build in one of these, sounds like a cool project. Thanks for the info!

[@frankiebaugher3778]

Cool i have those foams , but im really wanting to protect my speakers/investment , I'm thinking pods r the best way to go .....

[@frankiebaugher3778]

I think only best way to do it , need enclosers on r doors , mines not sounding good as well , bcs there just in freeair theres nothing to bounce the signals off of just open

[@DaBadNewz]

Definitely! Eventually I’ll have some fully built doors, but the deadening helps to seal it up for now

[@frankiebaugher3778]

I just put in a request to Custom speaker pods , see what happens 😁 I told them ill cut my panels in half from the armrest down , looking for 2 tweeters , 1 61/2 , 1 8" and 1 10" 😁

[@frankiebaugher3778]

Make it more solid was my thinking

[@DaBadNewz]

shiiit if they make the kit, lmk! I'll probably scoop one up too

[@DaBadNewz]

and yea that's a must

[@babiboib7]

"I'm out like a 🌯burrito " had me 😆🤣💯💀👻

[@DaBadNewz]

I mean I'm just sayin! (Thanks for checking out the video!)

[@babiboib7]

@@DaBadNewz Thanks man, no problem... It's funny to me 🤣🤣💯

[@shadowalker760]

How do I contact you? I’m in SD and can help! Lemme know

[@DaBadNewz]

What do you do? IG, Tiktok, and Email links are in the description (as well as many other useful ones!)

[@tatialo37]

Id cut out the back to let sound out, since these speaker are tuned for doors.

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea that's definitely an idea to give them another chance. Unfortunately, the new speakers wont even fit in these, so they're just on the shelf for now

[@408SPLKINGS]

Maybe fiberglass the boom mat & make rigid it enough to make a difference... Deaf Bonce Arnold are legitimate mid / mid bass drivers... You'll be very impressed by them with 100-150 watts...

[@DaBadNewz]

That's definitely an option, but I'd rather give my speakers more airspace than the baffles can provide...plus, they don't even fit over the Arnolds! Magnet too fat lol. But yea I been loving em so far! Feeding em about 200-250 right now

[@kelaro75]

Try cutting off about half of the back. Enough to still protect the speaker but also let the bass out.

[@DaBadNewz]

I might do that to give then a chance in the future, but with the new speakers, they don’t even almost fit, so they’re just on the shelf now. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@poncethegayboi]

They help keep water off the damn speakers too. Chevy trucks and a lot of others allow water to come into the door.

[@bondovwvw]

I cut a hole on the bottom. I use them to keep the water off the speakers in my truck

[@DaBadNewz]

I can definitely see them being pretty good at that. I think that's about their only real use

[@DaBadNewz]

well there's the proof! great for weather, nothing for sound

[@lsohweldfab6575]

Just use Tupperware or plastic containers and foam them whatever they work better bottoms of windshield washer jugs you know there's so many different things you can use that are just being thrown away in the trash every day

[@DaBadNewz]

I can honestly say I have never heard that one before! While I don’t even doubt that something a little more rigid than foam (like plastic) would probably do a little more for the sound than the foam baffles, I don’t think I necessarily want my speakers having such a minimal airspace. I’m kinda going the other route and turning the whole door into an enclosure. Thanks for checking it out and leaving a suggestion though!

[@onesikm3]

I bought these long time ago to use with my 6.5 upgrade since bmw originally used them but with 5.25. So when I got the 6.5 installed after much modifications I wanted to install the baffle mainly for weather protection and I noticed the speaker when comes in contact with the foam it buzzes ? Did you notice any effects like that ? My 6.5 are on the larger side so they aren’t fit in that foam baffle, so I gave up on them

[@DaBadNewz]

Do you mean like as if the speaker had interference? I didn't have that, but I DID notice that the foam was kinda vibrating with the beat, almost as if the cone was hitting the foam (but it wasn't). It was like the foam couldn't handle the pressure. But yea with my new speakers, they don't even almost fit in the baffles, so the baffles are just sitting on the shelf

[@jasonschlief340]

Great video- The one place I would recommend would be in a rear deck that happens to be sealed when using 2 or more 10" or bigger. It will help keep the sound pressure from subs pushing the smaller midbass causing over excursion- SQ- In my opinion , It does not help. I am building a SQ Challenger and these are not going to be in my design- I am porting my rear deck with a 10" opening that will isolate the midbass from the subs. Video to come in a few months.. Plan is ISACA. We'll see.....

[@DaBadNewz]

I can see using them for that, to help protect from the sub pressure. They’re definitely not useless, just not for me. Not for this build. Sounds like you got some big plans for your build tho!

[@joegreer9584]

Get a dsp and adjust speaker timing to correct phase and remove the midbass null

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea getting a DSP is definitely on the list! Just haven’t done it yet. Any recs?

[@RetroKong77]

​@@DaBadNewz Mosconi, Helix mini, Audio control, but you probably already heard about them.

[@Henqli]

@@DaBadNewz Audiotec fischer (Helix, Match, Brax) has the best DSP pc tool by far. There is also a lot of tutorials/guides because it is most sold brand on market. Zapco is also a good option to add to the list.

[@DaBadNewz]

@Henqli thanks for the suggestion! I’ll have to look into them, familiar with the name, but not in terms of a DSP. I’ll take a look!

[@PunisherOfDeath101]

Maybe fiberglassing it would get better results. At the end of the day I'd just sound deaden and block off plates for the door holes.

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea that’s been a pretty popular suggestion, but after switching to the DBs, it just made way more sense to do exactly what you said and do a more complete sound deadening job. And I have some plans for plates, but non installed just yet. Thanks for the suggestion man!

[@PunisherOfDeath101]

@DaBadNewz no problem. I got a superduty, and the block off plated improved my mid bass substantially. Then again, I was running 8" dedicated mid bass. Those coaxals would struggle no matter what you do. The DB you got will definitely do the job. Only benefit is weather proofing, recoil audio got some nice silicone back rings to prevent water damage.

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea and those DBs aren’t the only thing I got for the mid-bass either! Got more surprises coming! I’ll have to jump on getting some plates made

[@KennyScotts]

Think I'm gonna order some for my door speakers to protect from rain getting in my doors 😂🤔

[@DaBadNewz]

Probably their only real use

[@bradnunn9127]

They do help on a dedicated woofer . However not much

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea seems really hit or miss in the benefits department. I can see them being useful in certain situations though. Thanks for the input!

[@jasondeshazo7754]

Just a tip your using them for the wrong reason, these are made for the purpose of having subs in a trunk, the pressure from the subs moving air in the trunk would distort and destroy the speakers mounted in the back glass that are closest to the sub box. And for this purpose they work great, if you have a friend with a trunk sub setup you should do another video on the SQ of the speakers in the said back glass, good job on the video tho.

[@DaBadNewz]

I was actually trying to test how well they stand up to the claims made on their website and Amazon pages. The pictures of these things always show them in doors, and they claim an audio benefit, so I was testing that specific use. I don’t doubt they would help against sub pressure, but that particular use is never even suggested by Boom Mats, so that wasn’t really the point (I was kinda just disproving what they had posted on their website because it seemed like bs). I do agree that it would be interesting to do the test again in a rear deck just for the science though. Thanks for your input! Definitely gave me some ideas

[@jasondeshazo7754]

@@DaBadNewz cool I didn't look at the site before I commented, but I think there's one maby two other company's in the past that's made about the same thing as this when I was in high school. That's what we used them for back in the day. Me and my buds always had some of the better SQ builds with reg equipment. But really when you done your test I did notice a diff in the tone change from before and after, I'll bet if all four channels where done and the doors closed up with no sub it would be a lot better SQ on the mids at higher vol. Again good job on the video and badass sub box!

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea there's definitely a few different versions by different companies, but I think they're all pretty similar. And yea there was a slight change in tone, but I wasn't particularly liking the direction it was going, plus the foam was actually causing some distortion from the sound pressure from that weak ass 6.5 powered off the HU. I would still test them again in the future to maybe find what scenario would make the most of out of them, but as far as using them in this build? Nah! And thanks man!

[@lambertleigh2724]

I have in all my doors.. to protect from..water and snow and dust to protect my T2 RF Power 6.5...

[@DaBadNewz]

for weather protection, I totally understand them...it's just as a sound enhancement that they fall short (but I don't think that was ever really the intention). And I bet those get down real nice! My first subs were T2 12s (the metal face)...got me hooked on car audio!

[@Durkhead]

I dont know what chevy did but whatever housing the stock front speakers in my impala have but theres so much midbass for such crappy speakers

[@DaBadNewz]

damn you gotta rip those open and find out for us! sounds like I need to take some notes

[@Durkhead]

@DaBadNewz it's just a big plastic housing there's a bunch of videos on how to cut the speakers out an reuse them for aftermarket speakers

[@DaBadNewz]

@Durkhead oh so it’s basically the same type thing but hard plastic? Nice! I’ll heave to look into that a bit, thanks for the info

[@goofy_stuntz6022]

I would sound tape the inside of the baffle n use both on 1

[@DaBadNewz]

They’re honestly not worth all that for me, and that wasn’t really the point of the test. Instead I just got new speakers

[@Squiggly667]

You'd probably be better off using those as a mold for making a fiberglass box for the door speakers if you really want a fully sealed install.

[@DaBadNewz]

not a bad idea! these baffles aren't even big enough for my new speakers, but that's still worth coming back to at some point since they're just taking up space now

[@marcduren1978]

Yea those are not all that. They mainly for keeping out dust and moisture on those paper cone speakers but the marketing department at boom mat had to sauce the description up a little bit lol also my wife has the same XB and color so ima show her your channel now

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea I kinda knew that was gonna be the case, but for the price I had to find out for myself. S/o to their marketing team! And sounds like she got good taste in cars!

[@ghostrider2664]

Hahaha! Blow up baffles......do you do recording studios?

[@DaBadNewz]

right? idk what a blow up baffle could even mean?? And it kinda depends what you mean. I do mostly Live Sound, but I work in studios from time to time.

[@justingalasso1850]

I listened through headphones and it definitely sounded better without them. It sounded like it just added rattling and distortion.

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea that was noticeable in person too. It COULD have been my "temporary" install, or the fact that the wires weren't laid down quite as cleanly as I could have, but I think we get the idea...PASS Thanks for checking it out and leaving feedback!

[@mr.braapalicious]

Cut a port in the bottom of the baffle

[@DaBadNewz]

they don't fit the new speakers so it doesn't actually matter. I've received that suggestion a bunch of times. That would definitely be an interesting test, but that wasn't really what this video was for. This was mostly just about testing them (according to the directions), to see if there was an improvement. I wasn't trying to make them sound good, I just wanted a test as is...(and a way to announce the new speakers). Thanks for the suggestion though!

[@mr.braapalicious]

​@DaBadNewz I get it. Thanks for the video.

[@DaBadNewz]

No problem man, thanks for checking it out and taking some time to add to the conversation.

[@zakuraayame5091]

imo the baffles made it sound worse. Heard rattling. Rather spend that money on some sound/temp insulation for the doors. I can see it maybe giving moisture protection for a car with bad window seals/getting leaks down towards the speakers. Like your presentation and editing. Thanks for testing the product.

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea that sound was definitely noticeable. And yea you pretty much nailed it! For the protection they're cool, but other than that there really aint much to them. And thanks! I put a lot of work into these and I really appreciate the views and feedback

[@Starchybugger]

You will loose sound for sho, cut the lower half to release the back wave . Car audio display we have we tried using them and it ruined the sound . Utopia focal lol

[@DaBadNewz]

I'm just gonna leave em on the shelf, they don't even fit the new speakers, and they were just for experimental purposes anyway (unless for some reason they blew me away). And yea if it can ruin the sound from some Focals, that's a pass for me lol

[@6toportal]

they're good only for keeping water getting into the driver, for sound... nah

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea I definitely agree now! Not much use for me.

[@6toportal]

@@DaBadNewz yep, I also have a scion xb 1st gen I turned into a truck lol, best thing to make mids sound better is to soundproof the doors as they are so cheaply made it almost feels like a tin can, also also apply some sound proofing to the door skin so it improves stifness, good video 👍🏻

[@DaBadNewz]

oh you did the truck conversion? nice! Those always look really cool. And yea deadening is essential in these cars...from the factory you can hear the cost-saving! I had already done a layer to the doors and panels, but in the next video I add even more for that exact reason. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@6toportal]

@@DaBadNewz yeah I posted in a Facebook group named: scion xB customization NO RULES, I haven't posted many photos because I've been working on another two friken project cars I have 🤣 mine is a non metallic green extended cab, its kinda pale green? idk how to describe it I call it horse shit green, I made my own color inspired on some cargo pants I have 😎

[@DaBadNewz]

oh shit I think I seen that! I think I'm in all the custom xB groups, if not I'll definitely find it and check it out. I love full custom shit like that, I gotta learn to weld!

[@imkingmidas3767]

Cut a port on the bottom of the baffle...😂

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea and that one has popped up a few times…interesting!

[@imkingmidas3767]

@@DaBadNewz less baffle, more enclosure...

[@DaBadNewz]

Pretty much the idea

[@stoneypittman9325]

You need composite speakers not coaxial

[@DaBadNewz]

Only had those because I found them at the junkyard (in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnTQc2mAer9mnq8 ). But those have been replaced by the Deaf Bonce's I show at the end of this video.

[@stoneypittman9325]

@DaBadNewz I have an 08 xb I'm doing a hideaway sub where the spair tire goes so I can keep my cargo space. Gonna have bass ports come up thru the cargo area

[@DaBadNewz]

Oh that’s gonna look dope af! What you putting in there?

[@stoneypittman9325]

@@DaBadNewz a soundstream t5 12 inch.

[@DaBadNewz]

@stoneypittman9325 gotta shoot a few pics over on IG!

[@BeRAd427]

choking your speaker out is never the solution, it's a waste of money. if you want you could buy them and then cut the pitted part out completely and use it as a dampening cutout, but that's REALLY nit picking. waste of money, waste of time waste of effort, never choke your speakers out like that.

[@DaBadNewz]

I mean for me personally there is just no real use for them. A few people have mentioned cutting holes in them, but I feel like if you have to do that, you’re no longer reviewing the product and instead reviewing the potential. Plus, I’m just not that interested in incorporating them long term; there’s just no need for them in this build at the moment.

[@frankiebaugher3778]

Ya they need to b fiberglass or at least a nice heavy plastic at least u wld think , just another money gimmick like these flea collars i got there itching even worse then b4 but they got my money , what a sucker 🙄

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea that’s exactly what I was thinking. They would need to be a little bigger too (for more airspace for the speaker). But yea they get us sometimes!

[@somenamelessdude8095]

Always thought they were dumb

[@DaBadNewz]

Yea I was always kinda skeptical...and now I know, rightly so. (sometimes you just gotta try stuff to confirm your suspicions)

[@somenamelessdude8095]

@@DaBadNewz how to Kill bass: limit air space

[@DaBadNewz]

Boom!

[@mab4870]

Don’t waist your time and money. Your hearing will be gone by the time you are 45

[@DaBadNewz]

That’s not true, but I appreciate your concern. What do you recommend I do as a hobby instead? How should I be spending my money as not to waste it?

[@mab4870]

@@DaBadNewz just wear ear protection. And I’m living proof that it’s true. 148.7 db car stereo. But you’re a grown man. Your choice

[@DaBadNewz]

@mab4870 losing details in my hearing is definitely possible, but complete LOSS that soon at this little power is unrealistic. I’m an audio engineer, I know what I’m getting myself into. Again, thanks for the concern, but telling someone to abandon a hobby they are passionate about is just really distasteful. (Although I will acknowledge that you later adjusted your approach to wearing hearing protection, but that initial comment was not the tone necessary to make a sincere appeal to my self interest.

[@mab4870]

@@DaBadNewz I never said to abandon anything. It’s ok. I can’t be bothered to try and save you. Enjoy

[@DaBadNewz]

@mab4870 you literally said not to waste my time and money, which is basically the same as saying to not participate in the hobby. And thank you! That was always the idea.