Do These Bible Verses Prove Jesus Wasn’t God? WARNING: HEAVY PHILOSOPHY

[@tzzogg]

Jesus is the Son, God is the Father of Jesus: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

[@A-hole_Industries]

In the beginning was the word. And the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And then the Word became flesh, and walked among us.

[@niccolopaganini1782]

Which in essence makes Jesus God. Do you understand that?

[@netkonesto]

Missed the point award

[@andysongo]

Would love to see an explanation like this on the logical or metaphysical necessity of the Holy Spirit.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Great idea!

[@3rd_anthony]

​@@Esch-a-ton3Please make a video on that topic, I've been very curious about an explanation.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

@@3rd_anthony will do!

[@YourTypicalThomist]

These videos are so enlightening and you do an excellent job of explained theological concepts. Keep it up!

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Thanks brotha! To respond to your other comment, I’d recommend the Thomistic Institute. Thats what started it all for me!

[@Dominik-t1d]

I was bamboozled, tricked, confused . I thought this was gonna be some arianistic ahh video not orthodox.

[@YourTypicalThomist]

Any other youtube channels or books that you would recommend that explain theology through reasoning?

[@livinginahotdog1563]

Best Christian content on youtube by far. We need more intelectual content, and more high production theology videos. I feel like these kinds of videos will help a lot of people who are not christian becaude they haven t been presented it properly. ( p.s. : my english is a bit shabby, sorry for any errors)

[@Esch-a-ton3]

You're English is good! Thanks for the kind words!

[@cadenorris4009]

I don't understand how you have so few subscribers. Can't wait to see more from you!

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Thank you! That means a lot!

[@LEGOKRASS]

Thank you. How about a video about why does God allow so much suffering? And, further more; why does God allow to be there so much confusion and ignorance? "He" could enlighten us directly so we have the right tools and know how to use them, But we are wandering in a path of darkness. Why?

[@abuffkiwi5549]

About suffering: 1: If your talking about the evil in the world, its because god will not take our free will to do both good and evil. 2: If your talking about why an individual will suffer, its because they are being tested and are growing in character. 3: If your talking about natural disaters, its because god will not destroy the natural order of the world and will leave you with signs to safely get out of the way of said disaster.

[@abuffkiwi5549]

About confusion and ignorance. 1: Confusion can be remedied with the individual study and cross refrencing with other bible scholars. 2: The ignorance comes from us in that we wont take the time to study the word and believe that we are good enough to ignore it. 3: If its about the estranged people who have never even heard of Jesus they will be judged not by the laws theyve imposed, but by the natural law in their heart (Dont steal, Dont lie, Dont murder) that kind of stuff.

[@abuffkiwi5549]

About enlightenment. 1: He could show himself to us but that would be taking the choice out of our free will. 2: The right tools have been given to us, his word, with it we've been able to find historical and archeological evidence now all we need to do is study. 3: We wander through darkness not alone but with gods guidence from his word but many refuse to listen. It is a bit of a commitment but nothing compared to how much god is commited to us.

[@JoshKings-tr2vc]

I love your explanation to “the Son doesn’t know the time nor the hour.” It makes Jesus look so cool. “I don’t know. God only knows.” 😎 (but implied “guess who?”)

[@ElizabethHensleyomegasseekerr]

Space-time is wrapped around the Universe by its gravity due to General Relativity. So time circles. So the future is the past. 1 Corinthians 12:27 in the New Testament says, “Do you not know that you are the Body of Christ and individually members of It?” And Ephesians 4:15 in the New Testament says, “Speaking the truth in love we are to grow up in all ways into the Head, into Christ. Jesus Christ is God when He got His start in Bethlehem. God the Father is God after He went all the way around the circle of time and The Holy Spirit is God after He has been around the time an infinite number of times and He binds the Father and the on and Us together.

[@ana-zb7ix]

I was born and raised as a Western Catholic, now I’m agnostic, but for me now; the Oriental Orthodox Catholic Church makes more sense for me. They don’t consider Jesus God, and if I ever was to become Christian again (which I doubt would ever happen), that’s the path I’d take.

[@TexasBlues-123]

_Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”_ (John 20:17) _I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd._ _I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David will be prince among them. I the LORD have spoken._ (Ezekiel 34:23-24)

[@Ofcourse_theist]

Are you saying Jesus is not God by the first verse?

[@TexasBlues-123]

@@Ofcourse_theist John 20:17 speaks for itself.

[@Ofcourse_theist]

@@TexasBlues-123 read the next verse where mary calls Jesus Lord and Jesus dosent deny him being called Lord This same instance has many times with other people and Jesus has been worshipped too and never denied it Please understand the Trinity

[@Ofcourse_theist]

@@TexasBlues-123 ‭John 13:14 NIV‬ [14] Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. John 10:30 ‭John 8:58 NIV‬ [58] “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” ‭John 13:31-32 NIV‬ [31] When he was gone, Jesus said, “Now the Son of Man is glorified and God is glorified in him. [32] If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once. ‭John 11:25-26 NIV‬ [25] Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; [26] and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?” ‭John 20:27-29 NIV‬ [27] Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.” [28] Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” [29] Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

[@Ofcourse_theist]

@@TexasBlues-123 ‭John 17:1-5 NIV‬ [1] After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. [2] For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. [3] Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. [4] I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. [5] And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. ‭John 14:6-7 NIV‬ [6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. [7] If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” ‭John 12:30-32 NIV‬ [30] Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. [31] Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. [32] And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” ‭John 11:41-44 NIV‬ [41] So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. [42] I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.” [43] When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” [44] The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face. Jesus said to them, “Take off the grave clothes and let him go.”

[@charlesdarwin5185]

Jesus is very useful to me today.

[@Musical_thinker]

As I understand every human has a divine and animal division in itself. And Jesus too as a human and prophet is atoms and divine also. It's divine statue is higher than disbelievers and apostles as he is chosen. Jesus's divinity is greater than most of humans. He was talking as a baby and knowing all scriptures and this all happen with the God will.

[@Mike65809]

In the Kenosis Jesus gave up the divine attributes to become a man. He did his miracles, not by his own divine power, but the Father working in him by the Holy Spirit (see Acts 10:38). So how was he divine? The Logos Spirit was transformed into a man's, yet he kept that same identity. So in his spiritual identity he was 100% God. Now in his ascended state he has all of the divine attributes once again. This is why he could grow in wisdom and didn't know the time of his return. It's not that he didn't know only in his human nature only. This would give him a Nestorian split. As stated, his divine attributes were gone. But he so served the Father, with the Father working through him, that to see him was to see the Father. Agreed?

[@bruhcow315]

Awesome youtube channel thank you for the content

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Thanks for taking the time to watch!

[@jonlannister345]

Jesus is God. It's hard to even describe what that means to people who don't know it. Impossible even...

[@davethesid8960]

Or Jesus could be referring to His role as servant.

[@renocicchi7346]

That last song is really pretty. But I disagree with the video, but this is a perspective from an atheist, so don’t expect me to believe the Bible is without contradiction or hasn’t changed over time. 1 Corinthians 11:3 3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Psalm 82: 6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.” Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” I think these verses make it clear that there is a hierarchy of gods. Humans were made to rule over nature, like gods among animals, especially after we ate from the tree of knowledge, and after obtaining eternal life. And just as Jesus is the head of man, the father is head of Christ. And man the head of the women: 1 Corinthians 11: 7 For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9 Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. Genesis 2:18 18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” 1 Timothy 2:11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Jesus is god, but he is god the son, not god the father. God the father is greater than God the son. Christ was made in gods image with the exact imprints of his nature, but he is still not god the father because the father was the one to imprint it and is doing the work through Christ, just as the women was made in the image of man. So Hebrews 1:3 does not contradict this And Colossians 2:9 also doesn’t contradict it either because god dwells in all of us, but because Christ is perfect in the law, god the father can dwell in Christ wholly rather than partially. Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 1 John 4:16 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. And the final nail in the coffin: John 14:10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. This clearly says humans who are not as divine as Christ can do things as great or even greater than what Christ has done, as Christ is working through them. This means Christ can do things the Father can do as the Father does things through Christ, but that does not negate the fact that the father is the head of Christ, and holds authority over him

[@Mike65809]

I commented above and am waiting for a reply. See what you think: In the Kenosis Jesus gave up the divine attributes to become a man. He did his miracles, not by his own divine power, but the Father working in him by the Holy Spirit (see Acts 10:38). So how was he divine? The Logos Spirit was transformed into a man's, yet he kept that same identity. So in his spiritual identity he was 100% God. Now in his ascended state he has all of the divine attributes once again. This is why he could grow in wisdom and didn't know the time of his return. It's not that he didn't know only in his human nature only. This would give him a Nestorian split. As stated, his divine attributes were gone. But he so served the Father, with the Father working through him, that to see him was to see the Father. Agreed?

[@renocicchi7346]

@@Mike65809 I definitely think it’s better than what most people currently believe, but I still think the idea that Jesus is 100% god is incorrect. Even if Jesus was only 100% man on earth, and only 100% god in heaven, god can’t be the same entities while existing separately and haveimg different characteristics, like one having a body and being called the son, and the other not having a body and being called the father. This violates a law of identity. So this is why I believe my take makes the most sense, and Jesus implies multiple times that God the father is above him in status, not knowing the day of judgement not being one of them, but rather things like saying “why call me good? There is only one who is good, and that is god”

[@Mike65809]

@@renocicchi7346 I do agree at some points. For him to be 100% God in attributes and 100% man in human attributes makes no sense. The divine attributes would obliterate the limited human attributes. But Jesus can be 100% God in his identity. God does have an identity and he is not God just because he qualifies with the attributes. He is God also in his identity. Jesus was the Logos before the Incarnation but kept that God identity in his spirit. He never lost that. So he was always God and appropriately received worship even as a baby. That was correct. But he had emptied himself to become a servant, a man, and lost the divine attributes. Now, Jesus said there is none good but God. True. But Jesus never sinned. So he was totally good and we know he kept his identity as God, the Logos. So he is God and he is good. He was just made a little lower than the angels to become one of us. Now in heaven he once again has all divine attributes (the glory he had before the creation of the world). Amen?

[@renocicchi7346]

@@Mike65809 sorry, forgot to respond. Jesus said why call ME good. It’s obvious he is separating himself from god. He never sinned, but it’s not contradictory because he is not the source of good, god is, and god the father works through Christ. It’s like, imagine there is a wise person that imparts wisdom on TV. The TV perfectly displays the informative program of the wise person. Would you call the TV wise? Or would you call the person wise, and the wise person works through the TV?

[@Mike65809]

@@renocicchi7346 You raise a good point about the TV. To see Jesus was to see the Father, as he said. He is the exact image and glory of the Father. However, he can still be good, even though he reflects the Father in all he said and did. After all, he is God manifested in the flesh. The Word, Logos, was certainly good. That spirit of the Logos was in him. All was made through him and for him. All principles and rulers are under him. He rules over all. It is inconceivable that he not be good. And as you know he never sinned. So in what way was he not good?

[@jlw9113]

Someone has read Philo.

[@KCaspar]

Jesus said ye are all gods. So yes he would be too. But he is not the Father.

[@euripides8119]

İf you told jesus is father that gona be heretik this is modalism

[@the.doubting.thomas.256]

I only watched 15 minutes but those are 15 minutes of my life that I will never get back. and all of these people (martyrs) died for nothing.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

well, according to your world view we all die for nothing so, no harm no foul lol

[@the.doubting.thomas.256]

@@Esch-a-ton3 well not me. I will be food for maggots, fungi, trees ....

[@Esch-a-ton3]

@@the.doubting.thomas.256 which is still meaningless…

[@the.doubting.thomas.256]

@@Esch-a-ton3 hehe it's not. being food for other organisms is meaningful

[@Baccanaso]

​@the.doubting.thomas.256 still meaningless in your worldview, and now you're declaring telos which is only possible with the existence of God without even knowing

[@stefanpavlovic4534]

You totally misunderstand christian theology at its core basis.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

How so?

[@Sam_ChristSaves]

@@Esch-a-ton3 don't worry there wasn't much thought in that comment. Well done! Core tenant of the Christian faith: The holy Trinity (Includes Jesus's divinity). Only through Jesus can we have our sins forgiven and it's a free gift for those who choose it. The sacrifice was done by Jesus on the cross, he died was buried and raised. The cross was the official sacrifice the resurrection proves Jesus's divinity. This perfectly aligns with Jewish sacrifice. You did a great Job of showing prophecy in the bible around the theological argument "Jesus's Divinity". I believe Jesus gave up many of his Divine qualities to be a man and come down(Literally) to our Level. Example his Omnipresence maybe even his omnipotence due to saying "only my Father in heaven knows the hour". Do you think this is valid? This is another theological point "Jesus as a human."

[@Esch-a-ton3]

@@Sam_ChristSaves I think that’s a very good question. Personally, I believe he gave it up in his human nature however his divine nature, which he receives from the father eternally, informs his human nature. Thats my belief, but I don’t think there’s a problem technically with the view he gave up his knowledge but personally I can’t see how he can remain completely divine yet, not possess a divine attribute even for a moment. Such a hard thing to speak about in flimsy human language lol