Do trans men need pap smears? | Interview with

[@Jammidodger]

Thanks so much for having me, I really appreciate having these conversations 😊💛

[@jen_chaos]

Ahh! Jamie I love your content and I think you’re such a lovely person! I’m a teenager and you have made my experience in the lgbtq+ community (even as a lesbian) so wonderful and you’ve educated me lots on how to help my abundance of trans friends! 🏳️‍⚧️ 🏳️‍🌈 ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜

[@artbycallie6816]

Hey Jamie! Just watched your video, this collab is awesome!

[@PlayerAltoriya]

Hi Jamie! Your videos have helped me come out to my mom recently! Unfortunately my home isn’t safe to talk about trans issues, becuse my transphobic dad might over hear, but I get to talk to her about it in therapy soon!

[@abbybrown638]

No thank you for sharing. I'm going to school to be a therapist and I don't want to make the people in my life uncomfortable by asking them medical questions but I also don't want to look like an idiot if i have a client who is or has transitioned into a gender that better aligns with them. I know I will eventually because I will be servicing people who I have zero lived experience but I want to avoid it.

[@jessicaotterson4645]

Jammi thanks for your insight

[@lorifitzgerald2385]

As a mammographer and breast cancer survivor, I would like to offer an FYI... ***Trans Men who have not yet had a mastectomy need their yearly mammogram. ***Trans Women who have been on hormones for two (2) or more years need their yearly mammogram. Every person deserves inclusive, competent health care. ❤️

[@TheJoyBinkley]

do we start getting mammograms at 40 or am I late to this party?

[@lorifitzgerald2385]

@@TheJoyBinkley Start at 40 years of age. If, however, your mother had breast cancer, start 10 years before the age she was at diagnosis. Example... Mother was diagnosed at 45, then child starts imaging at 35.

[@Toastymosty69]

Lmao 🤣

[@thelittlealchemist6824]

@@Toastymosty69 how is this funny

[@liesel16]

@@thelittlealchemist6824 I think Selma is transphobic. Their comment on this video is ew.

[@SannaiSan]

As a trans man on hormones and with top surgery only, I've had a doctor laugh disbelievingly when I told him I might have a UTI. He'd seen my chest scars before and knew they were from mastectomy - but still didn't understand what it meant. It was even on my file I had transitioned. He didn't believe my symptoms or run any tests until I fully explained my anatomy - which was a fun conversation. But the nurses in the same facility had done some self-study. They were brilliant with giving me advice on pap-smears and mammograms and went out of their way to make sure I wasn't uncomfortable. I think MDJ is right: Training makes a difference. Even a short inclusivity module would have gone a long way towards making sure everyone's on the same level. It really shouldn't be up to self-education when your patient's health is concerned.

[@marilynseptember21]

Count yourself lucky to live in a world people are willing to learn. At least be appreciative and patient with them and explain. With time you and others will not need to educate us. Now imagine those living in very religious countries.......gay and lesbians are not even accepted talk less of trans and hormones and surgery.....aha! It will take a long time for things to change. I mean, I am a black woman and cannot understand racism. I travel outside UK and US to far East and don't get issues but as a British born citizen cannot still have to have patience with racists.... it's been centuries. As education continue, some people will understand but don't expect everyone to be accepting.

[@Dutch3DMaster]

In 2018 I got a serious stomach flu infection, about 6 months after starting female hormones (transfemale here). The infection made me unable to walk upright and was experiencing visciously painful stabbing pains a couple of times, which was what made the doctors think I was having kidney stones and made me end up on the ER. My name had not yet been officially changed, though a little earlier for allergy testing on a different ward a helpful receptionist had added a note to my file about my preferred name (kudo's to that receptionist, honestly). This caused doctors to either be confused because some used my old name while some doctors in training who were with them had used my new name. Half a year later when I developed some new allergies (due to hormones) I had to visit a doctor different than my own one because of the fact the allergic response happened outside the hours of my own general practitioner. While he was checking my eyes out to see what drips I would benefit from and afterwards asking why mom was referring to me as her and with the name Iris, she explained (she had driven me to the hospital, as my eyes were swollen shut). He proceeded to seriously ask "Can I ask when your voice is going to change? Or do you need more time on hormones for that to happen?" A couple of weeks later I got a piece of saw dust in one of my eyes that irritated the cornea and I was back in the same doctors office basically, with this time 2 female doctors examining my eyes. They both asked the voice-change question, and I'm honestly OK with explaining because my general appearance tends to confuse people, but my head went like "OMFG this is 2nd year biology on high school level, you should definitely know this!" While on the ER, one of the doctors was just very upfront and kind by asking if she could see what my hormone patches looked like "So I know what it looks like should I ever see a transgender patient in the future". I thought that was pretty great, because they absolutely all mentioned I was their first transgender patient.

[@SannaiSan]

@@marilynseptember21 you're right - I appreciate when people are accepting of differences and willing to learn. I usually answer the questions of the people who express interest unless they feel dangerous to come out to. I still feel like training doctors about the types of bodies and anatomy they will encounter should ultimately be part of their original education. When I studied, all our text books were based on how diseases looked on white, cis people. It leaves large, dangerous gaps in their knowledge that eventually need to be addressed. I love the progress we've made, and I hope we can do better for the next generation.

[@Absbabs88]

I don't understand why being trans would even negate the fact that you can have a UTI. Even cis men get UTIs. Not as common, yes, but it does happen

[@SannaiSan]

@@Absbabs88yeah. I think he just laughed because he thought it was unlikely. He was pretty old school. Good doctor overall, but old school

[@danidust68]

I had to pause this video in the middle to go ask my husband, who is currently in medical school, if he's had any training on this particular population and using inclusive terminology through his school. The answer, at least at Mercer University, is yes. He started soapboxing about how you can't assume sexual partners, how, if you have a cervix, you need smeared, and the importance of asking pronouns to help people feel more comfortable... The social worker in me was so proud! Changes are being made to the system - though I'm sure it feels much too slow!

[@TiredHumanBeing]

Aww that makes me happy! Thanks for setting the course for the rest of my day in a positive light.

[@JootjeJ]

That is brilliant! Well done to his university, and to your husband for taking it in and by the sounds of it running with it!

[@Ammiller5]

That's so great!! My gyn's intake forms ask gender, sex assigned at birth (with "prefer to not disclose" as an option!), pronouns, sexuality. They're so great!

[@John_Weiss]

Good On Ya both!

[@missnaomi613]

This is such great news!

[@Shadow1Yaz]

As a trans person, I LOVE it when a person is proud of their gender wether cis or trans. Adele saying she was proud to be a woman (especially after clarifying that she understood why the award was gender neutral) was awesome!

[@_thepleathersfine_]

I love ur pfp :3

[@Trickpants]

Heck yes! The most wonderful people I know are proud to be themselves but humble enough to understand others' struggles.

[@yesterdaydream]

Everybody deserves some gender euphoria!

[@CorwinFound]

I was all over twitter (as a trans guy) making positive comments about her and her statement. Especially in threads where gender criticals were saying trans people were freaking out.

[@cre-k8-ive]

Heck yeah! I'm someone who doesn't really connect with gender and I'm always so happy to see people who are proud of who they are and who are owning their identity. Not sure why people would be upset by it.

[@corvinredacted]

I had an OB in Minnesota ask me what "gender dysphoria" meant on my chart. Not what it meant to me but literally what the phrase meant. When I explained I was a trans man (not totally passing yet at that time but obviously trying and my pronouns and everything were on the chart as well) she said, "Oooooh, I had one of those as a patient. I person that wanted to be called a boy." Turned out she had been a trans man's OB/GYN throughout his pregnancy and delivery and never learned a thing. She then went on to try to convince me that my extreme and frequent uterine cramps were psychosomatic because of dysphoria. When I attempted to explain that I don't have a dysphoria about my uterus or estrus cycle she looked at me like I wasn't making any sense. She went from "What is gender dysphoria?" to "I know all about your personal experience and the effects of gender dysphoria on the body" in like 2.5 seconds.

[@mfanwelikeit3760]

That is incredibly patronising and sounds like it sucks. I hope you have been able to access better care 😳

[@reapthewhirlwind4166]

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[@Jay-pj5tg]

Are you talking about the doctorr? Or the patients

[@corvinredacted]

@Show Me The Monny Gender dysphoria is a psychological experience of feeling a disconnect or discomfort with your birth sex. It's not a belief that you are literally a different biological sex. Regardless of what you think is the best way to address that feeling, how is it a delusion to simply experience that discomfort? I know you're just trolling, but maybe reconsider it when you're feeling a little less malicious.

[@showmethemonny5796]

@@corvinredacted look around you. Most people agree it's a delusion. I for one will never support that bullshit. Creatures who identify as tables and chairs and purposely sterilizing themselves (that's a good thing for the gene pool anyway). Sure, those are definitely the hallmarks of a stable human being.

[@Ngarlin]

My tattoo artist is a trans man. During my last session, we exchanged hysterectomy stories. It just shows we have many more similar experiences than not. It also made me proud that my ob/gyn office is where he goes for care and that they are open to treating all who need care.

[@v3ru586]

The most damaging thing a doctor can say is "other doctors will tell you the same" I may have neglected my health, because every visit at the gynecologist made me feel awful. And I'm "just" asexual, something that doesn't come up that often. I can't imagine how it must be for trans people to be told that there's something wrong with them that has to be fixed

[@cathleenc6943]

Sorry they made you feel that way. Asexuality would be a great topic for MDJ to cover.

[@Trickpants]

This is *only* my personal experience *so far* that I wanted to share for a laugh ... But hilariously, me being trans was accepted faster than me being asexual. My sexuality was assumed (by doctors) first to be leaning towards men, then leaning towards women when I came out as trans, and every time I told them there was a low chance of finding a partner, they kept trying to "encourage" that I'd probably find someone. I know they were trying to be kind or jovial, but it came across awkward 😂 I also want to emphasize again that I live in a very accepting country overall, and I feel awful for all those who live in countries that aren't accepting or downright malicious towards LGBTQ+. You're all valid 💜

[@pjaypender1009]

I am also trans and ace. It's been decades since I've been to the gyno.

[@CorwinFound]

@@pjaypender1009 Trans guy here and also a parent. Although you are maybe older than me I'm gonna go full mom on you. Please consider finding a provider that can help you with this. Trans men die every year for lack of access to gynological health checks. It's dysphoric and physically not very comfortable. It can be triggering if you've experienced trauma. And it could save your life. I don't know where you live but try reaching out to something like Planned Parenthood or a sexual health clinic. Lecture over! Best wishes.

[@pjaypender1009]

@@CorwinFound I'm actually non-binary and not just older than you, not just old enough to be your parent, but old enough to be your grandparent. In 14 weeks I'll be older than dad lived to be. In 5ish more years I'll be older than my mom lived to be.

[@kathilisi3019]

I was never a transphobe, but these two channels are helping me be a better ally. Ignorance can really get in the way of being helpful. Thanks for helping me to learn more.

[@BearsyMai]

@@juniorqindes8335 wtf are you talking about?

[@fakeblossom4140]

@@juniorqindes8335 How and where did you get this information? He's literally part of the LGBTQ+ community and Trans. You can't just give out accusations without supporting evidence behind it.

[@thethirdtime9168]

@@juniorqindes8335 That's super weird considering he's both bisexual and in a relationship with a woman - as such capable of being in a homosexual relationship and currently in a straight relationship? You really gotta set yourself straight (pun intended) in the slander you're trying to spread, dearest

[@hurricane7800]

Same here :)

[@juniorqindes8335]

@@thethirdtime9168 oh wow, then I guess the leader of ex gay wasn’t homophobic. Because that was entirely true about him as well. But idk, I believe he was being homophobic. “I’m the slander” define slander…. Because it doesn’t seem like you know what that word means. But you are trying to tell me I’m commuting a crime. So please, before this becomes a legal matter, explain what you think slander is.

[@hvick075]

MDJ: “Just because you think you don’t have trans patients, doesn’t mean you don’t” Me, a healthcare provider: ….🤯

[@sydneyyoung7352]

I think that's a really valuable note! If a person goes to the hospital for an injury, or sees a doctor for something not sexual like a sore throat or something, it would probably be such a good idea for the healthcare practitioner to just do a mental check, "what assumptions am I making about this patient, and does their present complaint necessitate clarifying those assumptions?" I'm a cis woman and I get asked frequently, as part of a series of mandatory questions, if I think I could be pregnant. If a nurse or pharmacy tech were administering a vaccine, it would be a good idea to consider that the man in front of them could be pregnant, for example, and maybe they shouldn't skip that question because of their assumption that the man was assigned male at birth.

[@sydneyyoung7352]

@@KR-kj9oi Cisgender men can't, but some transgender men can :)

[@sydneyyoung7352]

@@KR-kj9oi You're talking about biological sex, and you're right. Biologically male people cannot be pregnant. Cisgender and transgender don't refer to biological sex, they refer to gender. Imagine it like parenthood: some people are biological parents, some parents are not. The doctor and the parent and the child need to know if the parent is biological, but the rest of the world only needs to know that they're a parent. We don't tell adoptive mom's that they're not "real" moms, because for social purposes they are moms. For medical purposes they are not. I hope this helps. It's mostly a matter of language. For many people sex and gender are the same, but they are actually different words.

[@talefey]

@@sydneyyoung7352 You're nearly there. It's a common mistake to oversimplify biology the way you have. Transgender individuals, especially those who have transitioned or are in the process of transitioning, do not have the biology of their erroneously assigned sex at birth. Their biology consists of hormones and sex characteristics (secondary and/or primary) associated with their gender identity.

[@sydneyyoung7352]

@@talefey Are you referring to "some transgender men can get pregnant"? I was under the impression that some transgender people never have HRT or gender affirming surgeries, or even if they do they could get pregnant before that. Or are you referring to something else? I know MDJ did a video that explained the difference between 3 things and I can't remember what they were specifically, but I know I definitely simplified chromosomal sex and gender presentation. But if you could clarify that would be cool.

[@CorwinFound]

I love Mama Doctor Jones owning that she hasn't always been as educated as she currently is. It is so important for people to gracefully acknowledge their growth and also take pride in it. I've been so lucky as a trans man to have access to a sexual health clinic that has provided me with a GP who is knowledgeable on trans and female body health. But so few transgender people have this ... I almost called it a privilege. A doctor versed in the very basics of your health needs shouldn't be a privilege. I'm lucky. And I shouldn't have to be.

[@Trickpants]

Oof, that last line hit. It really shouldn't be a privilege. Hopefully we're moving towards a point where it's the norm, even if progress feels slow. I'm incredibly happy to hear *good* stories from fellow trans people though, it brings me hope 💜

[@tinkeramma]

It made me so happy to hear MDJ share this journey from unaware to active advocate. I had the same reaction at first and watching MDJ is what opened my eyes to the unintended hurts those views caused.

[@erinbanana22]

That really shouldn't have to be a luck thing 😔 i worry about that constantly for friends that are trans if they are getting proper regular healthcare in a respectful and good way. It's so hard to find a doctor that isn't judgemental or rude or just ugh. Hugs and I'm glad you have that

[@meowmeowmeow8043]

So jealous. When I told my GP I might be trans they argued with me until I left in tears... Literally would rather die of an untreated health problem than go through that again.

[@CorwinFound]

@@meowmeowmeow8043 That's really horrible. No one should have to go through that. I don't know where in the world you are but there might be some sexual health clinic (like Planned Parenthood) options. Also check out your local/regional FB trans groups and ask about options. Best wishes for you!

[@michellehayes91]

For what it’s worth, I’m about to graduate medical school in the US, and we were taught about trans care both in our didactic courses and our clinical rotations. So hopefully this is a sign that healthcare is progressing to more inclusive care!

[@SaphhireAnimations]

Just wanted to stop by and say, congratulations on Match Day! As a current Medical Resident, its good to see medical schools adding this into their ciriculum. Trans healthcare is, unfortunately still VERY regional in the States. It good that more schools are teaching this because Residents will take these lessons with them to hospitals that may otherwise be gender non-affirming or even against LGBTQA+ indiviguals. Good luck with your own medical career and never stop supporting and caring for people of all walks of life! You will be able to help so many people in your future!

[@MrAdryan1603]

Congrats!! That's so awesome!

[@MrAdryan1603]

@Mylfy Gamer Whaaaat? Are you serious? That's a real thing people think? Oh my... Never heard that before, _yikes._

[@SaphhireAnimations]

@Mylfy Gamer That's a perfect question to ask, to be honest. I can only speak on my experiences in medschool, however, so it would be interesting to see what others have been taught. For my school, they brought up this point specifically to point out how biased a non-inclusive the medical field was just a decade ago (along with the atrocities of the Tuskegee experiment). I was lucky enough to have a fairly progressive school that taught us about old biases in medicine, why they are wrong, how to spot our own biases, and (fortunately) how to talk openly with people about their sex and sexuality. As to the original comment, I have unfortunately met doctors who still believe in that completely incorrect statement. I really hope you are able to find doctors who are attentive to you and your healthcare needs! I think you will have better luck with healthcare in the future!

[@spvillano]

@@SaphhireAnimations that's good. It was only 30 years ago that a physician wrote in my wife's chart "hysterical female complaint". The "complaint" was a symptom of PCOS, which was the eventual diagnosis. Doctor was not so kindly asked by his partners to retire, which he thankfully did. Some decades later, I was reading of the response to the Spanish Influenza pandemic and the recall of retired for good reason physicians, who dutifully bled patients to death. Ignorance dies hard! Leaving the temptation to hang, draw and quarter...

[@erenender66]

now THIS is the collab i never expected, but am so so glad it happened!

[@andrewhaywood3853]

Me too! I’m a trans guy, and I’m subscribed to both Jamie and MDJ separately, so this is a lovely surprise!

[@CorwinFound]

Me too. MDJ has put a lot of effort into reaching out to the trans community. Bringing on a trans man makes so much sense and is a perfect move for her. Walking the walk!

[@hsihdbssbcjtzksk7426]

Same! I found Jamie because of One Topic long time ago. I am so happy about this collab.

[@kezrave2982]

Same. I feel like when you discover that your two best friends inadvertently know each other. Love these two humans.

[@tiffanymims8691]

I work at a cemetery and I was shocked by a couple that asked me if it was acceptable to be buried there because they are a gay couple. I was confused at first because to me it does not matter to the cemetery I work at, we accept all, and then they explained that some cemeteries were not accepting of the LGTBQ+ community. It just confused me that there are cemeteries that tell a married couple that they have to have seperate headstones and not mention their wife, husband, or partner on it. Like really? Come on it does not affect anyone who is buried at the cemetery, works at the cemetery, or visits the cemetery.

[@BigGayIncorporated]

Are you fucking kidding me? Even in death, queer people can't be treated normally.... I'm at a loss for words at this point.

[@christinajones6500]

I mean it’s a private company, they can do what they want?

[@John_Weiss]

@@BigGayIncorporated If you're a Gen-X gay person like me, you basically expect everyone to treat you like this. We even expect judges in estate courts to ignore our wills in order to punish our surviving spouse. Because that actually happened to gay male couples _constantly_ during the 1980s. So yes, this gay couple was asking out of experience, whether their own or people they know.

[@lexdraws1729]

@@christinajones6500 So you think discrimination is okay?

[@ahhh4117]

I grew up near a cemetery and there was this shared giant headstone between 2 men Ben D and Ben H (its real cute I know) and the stone said, "~boyhood friends~ together for decades (i forgot for how many)" and they were in a section of the cemetery reserved for married couples and families. And I can't remember when they died, but it was past the turn of the 20th century My friends and I, a little clan of gays, used to visit them all the time, like leave them flowers or cool rocks we found. I used to lean against one side and write poetry because i thought i made me cool instead of dorky.

[@psychopathic_pineapple9562]

As a genderfluid person in an extremely unsupportive house, seeing Jamie and MDJ collab and talk about how trans people are valid just ✨✨✨ Made my day even if I’m extremely late, thanks mates.

[@echoc7213]

I'm even later to the party than you! I hope you're doing well, friend. :)

[@TheLord-YT-FTM]

Gender fluid is not trans, i dont know what it is but its not trans

[@alien_unattended7115]

As a trans masc person who’s going through some medical problems and has had to have several visits to the obgyn the last couple months, I really appreciate this. My doctor is kind, but I don’t think she understands and I’m too anxious to correct anyone so it’s been really hard for me to get the care I need because it makes me so dysphoric. This entire video just makes me feel so seen, now when I need it most. 💜

[@AllenTax]

Maybe show her this video? Maybe she get A clue.

[@CorwinFound]

I'm glad you are working through the challenges to get the care you need. Trans man here and it freaking sucks sometimes to do but it can literally be a matter of life and death.

[@ceragowans]

Sending love and support!

[@piarateking8094]

i wonder if theres a pamphlet out there that you can hand to drs to help them understand

[@Snowshowslow]

@@piarateking8094 That is actually a great idea :)

[@kelliem8900]

I work at the front desk at an obgyn and watching MDJ has made me more conscious of how I talk to patients. We do have a couple of trans patients so I try to use the correct pronouns if I know them and just treat them like they are any other patient. When I train new staff I always like to educate them on not automatically assuming that someone is in the wrong office if they come in and say they have an appointment and they are male. I always tell new stars that if someone has a vagina then they need to see the vagina doctor, it doesn’t matter what their appearance is or what gender they identify as. And I always emphasize that regardless of personal feelings all of our patients are people and deserve the respect to not be judged when they are seeking medical care and that includes all points of contact at the doctors office, from the appointment scheduler all the way up to the provider.

[@itoshiibaka8267]

"Reduces suicidality and improves health outcomes - I literally can't ignore this now!" I love Mama Dr Jones. 🥰 This is real medicine.

[@carmenmonoxide6082]

Show me the data.

[@alexevenstar3214]

@@carmenmonoxide6082 There is a link in the description to the article that was being referred to (fourth one down) I think they even flashed it on screen while talking about it.

[@jennoscura2381]

I LOVE people who change their views when confronted with evidence.

[@Schnort]

@@carmenmonoxide6082 Hey! This is a great video for gathering info: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q33GepWgnNN6orM The sources should be in the description of the video :]

[@reapthewhirlwind4166]

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[@lovemusicbandchorus]

"It is my job that because trans people educated me, I have to now educate those in the medical community." THIS is the attitude that we need. Medical professionals willing to learn from their patients how best to serve them, and then take that knowledge and make it better for not only their patients, but others' as well. Medical professionals, take note.

[@factofthematter7685]

I find that comment disgusting. Imagine... a DOCTOR learning somthing from a patient and then that DOCTOR promoting it to everyone else. Why do we need doctors, just learn from each other, that'll work out.

[@sydneyyoung7352]

@@factofthematter7685 Doctors are scientists that study and treat humans. A scientist that studies rocks learns things about the rocks and shares that knowledge with other rock scientists. If the rocks could talk, that would be a valuable source of information about rocks. Humans can talk, and what they say can provide valuable information about humans. Doctors train to be able to parse that information to find what is relevant to the medical treatment of humans, and doctors share their knowledge with other doctors. I don't think it's as audacious as you make it out to be.

[@MamaDoctorJones]

LMAO. Yes, take us back to the world where doctors sat on high horses and ignored everyone else. The good ole days. I love how you conveniently left out the part where I said “so I looked at the research and it was clear that inclusive language provided better health outcomes and THUS it was not to be ignored.” Get a hobby. You’re done here.

[@abbyjordan1941]

@@factofthematter7685 I understand what you’re saying in a very black and white sense, but a lot of what she said was about mental health and how THAT relates to trans patients (and all patients for that matter). Mental health is NOT black and white and it is not one size fits all. That means we do have to learn things from others to learn how to adapt, change, and treat certain situations.

[@adamuffoletto7869]

@@factofthematter7685 "Advocating for a particular agenda" you mean doing everything in your power- i.e. listening to your patients and following up on their points with medical research- as a HEALTHCARE PROVIDER to make sure your patients have the best possible mental and physical health outcomes??????

[@AtlasGriff]

I love this collab. I'm a trans masc person, and one time I went to a doctor because I had a UTI. At the end, the doctor printed off two diagrams for me. One of male urinary tract and one of a female urinary tract. She was worried about offending me, so she printed out both. I think this speaks volumes.

[@thespankmyfrank]

That's actually kind of hilarious in a way. At least they made sure everything was covered haha.

[@AtlasGriff]

@@thespankmyfrank It was funny. I was trying not to laugh when I got handed them.

[@Ammiller5]

I kind of love that! I can just see her thinking 'hmm...which one? Do I ask? Would that be offensive? I'll just give them both and they can choose". I may have done the same thing haha

[@marthahawkinson-michau9611]

She made a serious effort to be inclusive and not offend you, and that on it’s own is valuable. I totally respect the effort that she made. Whether or not she did it the right way, she at least tried. So many don’t try nearly as hard.

[@mollygrace3068]

Just trying to understand the reasoning. Maybe because after bottom surgery or medical interventions, the female urinary tract looks similar to a male urinary tract, but not exactly.

[@ZoeFaythe]

As a trans man, transphobes learning I'm trans and reacting with "you'll never be a real woman" is so very "they hurt themselves in their confusion" vibes

[@Schnort]

Dear Zedd, You will never be a woman. Lovingly, Rhett (will also never be a woman)

[@barbara-annperry5941]

I thought that a trans man was a woman who has gender dysmorphia and becomes male

[@SuperDuckyWho]

@@barbara-annperry5941 hence why the transphobe hurt itself in it's confusion

[@barbara-annperry5941]

@@SuperDuckyWho What do you mean?

[@SuperDuckyWho]

@@barbara-annperry5941 ... because they (the transphobe) said the person who is now male, the person working hard to transition to being male, "will never be a real woman".... they said that to the person who is working on (and succeeding with apparently) not being a woman in order to insult them. If you don't get it yet I'm gonna just assume you're trolling cause wtf.

[@alyssarh]

It's so so important to advocate for trans people and their health & their access to good/comfortable healthcare ❤ thank you for making this video and having this conversation with Jamie!

[@queenmotherhane4374]

Wow! Two fandoms collide! Great to see the two of you collaborating. On another note: There’s a tragic documentary called “Southern Comfort,” about a trans man who died of ovarian cancer because he couldn’t get the necessary medical care from the gynecological community.

[@MamaDoctorJones]

Oh I’ll look this up Ty!

[@rebeccajay2817]

Years back my college did a viewing of Southern Comfort followed by a discussion panel featuring medical professionals from many major institutions in STL. The panel had no time for ignorance, and instead sought to educate and enrich and shed light on these important issues. The panel discussed trans issues in medicine, and steps that were taken to progress, like having clinics that were specifically equipped to treat trans patients, and ways that all clinics can improve the quality of care for trans patients. It was a powerful night and one step in the right direction. The documentary is a resource I believe more people should be exposed to. I would love to see it discussed on this channel.

[@515aleon]

Sadly, it still happens. I know a guy who had breast cancer. Very early in his treatment the doctor told him that he wasn't "comfortable" treating him. It was costly in terms of money (and potentially his health) to find a new professional to treat him. He's fine now, but it could have turned out the same.

[@queenmotherhane4374]

@@515aleon, the only person in my family to have ever had breast cancer was an 8-year-old cis male cousin, back in the ‘60s. He got proper treatment and is fine now.

[@jelatinosa]

@@515aleon that's terrible. Doctors take an oath and that one basically broke theirs. Cis men can get breast cancer too, not just people who are AFAB.

[@crossedroses4827]

Tangentially related: I served as a Trans Woman in the United States Army for many years, and I can tell you that 90% of the doctors, psychologists, physicians, endocrinologists, and even just other soldiers in general had no idea what to do with me. There knowledge of Trans people was so limited that my company E.O. Rep (Equal Opportunity Representative) at one point even asked me to write a briefing for them about Trans people for educational purposes (I was out at the time). To put that in perspective, back then I was a PFC (Private First Class), with no college degree let alone a medical degree, and no certification that I knew what the heck I was even talking about. That’s the equivalent of asking the hospital janitor to take over during surgery. I could have told them that being Trans resulted from a virus carried by Micronesian frogs and they probably would have published it. That’s how blind the U.S. military is to Trans people and our issues.

[@ravenzaphara5513]

i'm sorry but the frogs first they turned the friggin frogs gay, now the frogs are making us trans. that is a heavy situation though, i can't imagine being put under that kind of pressure.

[@adamuffoletto7869]

My wife is planning on transitioning while active duty, and this is honestly a big worry of mine. I want her to be happy and smile in public the way she only smiles at home, but I'm also very aware of the possibility of medical trauma due to the sheer ignorance of healthcare providers on trans bodies. I'm just so tired of trans people being asked to be perfectly knowledgeable on every possible thing related to being trans. Not everyone wants to be an advocate. Some of us just want to live our lives and be afforded the same quality of care as cisgender people without having to educate our own freaking doctors

[@crossedroses4827]

@@adamuffoletto7869 She will have to educate them. I wish I could say otherwise or tell you that things have improved but if she’s active duty being seen by military medical personnel then this is the reality. As it currently stands you need 1 year speaking to a behavioral health specialist, then she’ll need to start speaking to endocrinology and her regular PMO about what her transition goals are and begin planning the next phase. Next she’ll have to send a complete copy of all medical paperwork involved including a transition timeline and memorandum about her desire/intention to transition to her company commander to be sent up and approved at the BDE level. From there she should be able to begin HRT tell her to go with intramuscular injections do not let them put her on the patch. They don’t work, they shred your skin, and they are annoying as heck. After about one year on that she’ll be able to start top and bottom surgeries though I’ve heard rumors that certain areas allow for minor facial plastic surgery earlier though it will most likely be out of pocket. They also should allow her to see a speech pathologist to begin working on affecting a more feminine cadence in her voice if that’s something she’s interested. Beyond that it’s just a very very very long waiting game with these people. Although tell her to keep in mind many things can be wavered if she’s smart and knows how to cut through red tape. But most importantly don’t give up. I went through it successfully and I’m so grateful I did, she deserves to be happy and honored for her service. (And if they give her the option to go through the process in the civilian sector TAKE IT).

[@adamuffoletto7869]

@@crossedroses4827 Unfortunately we're overseas in a country that doesn't have much of a civilian sector for transitioning. But thank you so much for the information!!

[@AmatGotchi]

@@crossedroses4827 This is the most in-depth timeline I've seen, my leadership seems to have zero understanding of how the timeline is supposed to work. Thanks for your service and diligence, I hope I can work up the courage to transition while serving.

[@macksthetigerchild3417]

As a trans man who just last month had his very first ever appointment with a gynecologist, I really really appreciated this video. I watch Jamie's and your videos all the time, so this collaboration means a lot to me. I never would have had the courage to see a gynecologist if it weren't for Jamie being so outspoken about his experiences and Mama Doctor Jones being so open and inclusive online

[@emmajones8715]

I recently delivered a pregnancy / newborn health session to people doing a child care course. I used inclusive language, partly because I have seen how successfully MDJ dose it in her content. It was not hard to do at all. I will absolutely make sure I continue to do so in any other sessions I deliver

[@LadyDelSangue87]

That's great! Also know this, just because you don't see anyone that seems like they would need gender neutral language in your classes now, you will eventually have an ally recommend your class to someone who may be trans just because they will remember you used inclusive language in your class. So if you don't see those people yet, if you make sure you always use inclusive language, eventually someone will hear about you

[@CorwinFound]

@@LadyDelSangue87 Absolutely. Trans communities are small! Word about good and bad professionals in every field spreads quickly.

[@IceNixie0102]

I got a new OB recently (I'm cis, in Maryland USA) and the first appt, the paperwork had "what is your gender, what was your sex assigned at birth, what are your preferred pronouns, & preferred name" and I almost started crying in the waiting room I was so happy to see such inclusion!!

[@Absbabs88]

I'm happy to see other cis people who think this is important and love seeing it. Sometimes, the cis are ok 😂

[@TheMaryrm]

Agreed. When I read it I said outloud "it's about time!"

[@christinapalafox]

I go to a county-funded clinic because I can't afford health insurance, and I was extremely happy to see the same thing on the paperwork there. Usually it takes a long time for the government-run places to catch up, but not this time.

[@brookelee9745]

This doesn’t really make sense because why else would you be at an OB office if you aren’t biologically female?

[@TheMaryrm]

@@brookelee9745 yes but they might identify as a male now and a HE. Or as nonbinary and prefer they.

[@skittlesrainbowprincess]

This would NEVER have been discussed when I had a uterus and I am SO happy and thankful for doctors like you! Gender INCLUSIVE language hurts nobody....

[@plasticlobster23]

As a cisgendered man, I had a strange health care experience that gave me some insight into this. I went in to a lab for an STI panel a couple weeks ago. I found out when I got there that the doctor ordering the tests had inadvertently added on a vaginal swab. It was a simple mistake, but the lab worker did not know how to approach this conversation with me at all. She ended up calling me over to her computer screen, pointing at the order for a vaginal swab and asking me "Is that... Is that a thing we can do on you?" At the time, I said "Oh, no. That's a mistake. I lack the necessary equipment for that" and kind of laughed, but later on I did think about the implications if I were a trans man... How awkward that would be each and every time to have to say "Yes I have a vagina." If their system had me listed as "Person with a penis without a vagina" it would have saved the awkward conversation that I'm sure is hundreds of times more awkward when you have to say "No actually I do have a vagina. I shouldn't have to tell you that. Do the swab."

[@efolinsky]

Just a note, it's cisgender, not cisgendered Same with transgender, it's not transgendered

[@Flatcetera]

I saw a trans man on tiktok recently telling a story about how he left a clinic out of frustration because the receptionist thought he had a penis and tried to refuse him service and was being VERY loud about him “being in the wrong place”. Instead of outing himself he left without medical care, I suppose some people aren’t as kind as the lady who called you over and tried to be discreet about it, good on her.

[@Sarlota]

I work in a lab... all our "forms" only include sex... that sex gets changed if you transition and yet alot of the tests we do have different outcomes based on sex at birth. I find it very dangerous and personally think there should be two categories "sex" and "gender" because that would help alot...

[@mlwsmp]

@@efolinsky oh fucking stop. JFC

[@mlwsmp]

@@thebibosez7949 exactly. These people are ridiculous.

[@crowsong8097]

Trans masc person here... gyno stuff has been extremely difficult for me, to the point that I'm in my 30's and have only had one pap and never had a mammo. I literally have to take sedatives to be seen/handled. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for covering these issues. While I'm still very uncomfortable in this space in general, seeing someone else trans interacting and discussing reproductive healthcare does at least somewhat make this easier to think about. I've been meaning to schedule a physical and have been fighting myself on it. I'm going to make a good effort to try and get in to be seen.

[@bryngarrity5548]

Hi! genuine question because i'm curious: are you in therapy to help with the anxiety and feelings you have around having to receive healthcare for your biologically female parts? it's SO important to get checked regularly and avoiding it could mean catching something serious too late!

[@bigcody2657]

I haven't had a papsmear yet (still a minor) and the thought alone is horrifying, however, I hadn't previously thought about requesting sedatives... Thank you for the knowledge.

[@awolters5827]

I'm not yet old enough to need pap smear and the idea is anxiety inducing but I don't really know of a way to counter that since sedatives would freak me out more since I wouldn't be all there either to stop something I'm not comfortable with.

[@elainegoad9777]

Maybe you can take someone you trust, your partner or close friend with you for you medical visits to be with you as support. You have a right to have someone with you.

[@sarahmcneill1237]

This is kinda not quite what you were talking about but this might help. I find that if I set up an appointment for the next year while I'm currently at the dr, I'm too anxious to cancel it unless I absolutely have to, which forces me to go the next time. Rinse and repeat means that I get yearly check ups

[@kbaylor123]

I praise MDJ for taking the feedback and acting on it, rather than dismissing it!

[@liamjemt]

As a trans person having inclusive language in the medical field is very important to my family. I've given birth twice and both times the hospital tried to be as inclusive as they knew how to be. After my last baby was born ( at 28 weeks) I remembered the sign on the lactation room outside of the NICU. It said lactating mother's only. I've had top surgery but still needed to use the room to pump. There wasn't enough privacy in the NICU to do it bedside. That sign brought back feelings of dysphoria from having my first baby and seeing that sign. So I asked the nurse manager if they could change it to say lactating parents only. They did it! They actually listened to me and did it. I was so shocked but proud. They listened to me and learned. In return I felt more comfortable and trans queer and nonbinary parents hopefully will in the future

[@sydneyyoung7352]

That's so encouraging to hear that they took that feedback on board! It would be amazing if that triggered them to think about the issue even a tiny bit more and look for other exclusive language or systems.

[@Ajehy]

Thank you, you helped so many parents who couldn’t speak out! My mom did something similar (against a misogynist thing) back in the 80’s. The library that hired her had a questionnaire about fitness for the job, and one part was about how bad your menstrual symptoms were. She pointed it out, and they changed it.

[@pinkflowers_sagetea]

@@saggysampson9373 Ah yes, because changing ONE sign in ONE hospital to make their patients feel more comfortable is shitting on thousands of years of evolution. I'd call it responable and considerate act, but you can call it whatever you want to I guess...

[@OingoDeLaBoingo]

@@saggysampson9373 the only thing shitting on thousands of years of evolution is how smooth your brain is.

[@BearsyMai]

@@saggysampson9373 Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

[@zobothehobo]

As a non-binary person with PCOS.. I want to mention it's not JUST language that needs attention. I have PCOS and the increase of testosterone in my body naturally from the PCOS has given me an ability to grow more facial hair than I would without PCOS without HRT. I am VERY hesitant to bring this up with a doctor because I don't know how treating my PCOS, and therefore "normalizing" my hormone levels, would effect my facial hair and, therefore, dysphoria. I've gotten to the point where a doctor asking my pronouns and gender identity at intake no longer feels like "trans inclusive healthcare." That's the bare minimum, but you have to learn about trans bodies and understand what the interaction between estrogen based and testosterone based hormone systems look like in a person to provide trans inclusive healthcare.

[@ravenautumnfire]

I’m a non-binary person with PCOS. My body hair didn’t go away with hormone treatment (aka hormonal birth control). The only symptom that the treatment helped was the pain associated with menstruation and the formation of new cysts. I’ve since had a hysterectomy and stopped taking all birth control, and my body hair is just as thick and coarse.

[@zobothehobo]

@@ravenautumnfire ahhh thank you for the reassurance

[@AVK_SAM]

I'm the same as @Raven Fire I was on hormonal birth control for PCOS and didn't lose my facial or body hair.

[@proudatheist2042]

So, you want medical doctors to dive into woke, contradictory ideology and forget about the actual systems that differentiate between men and women? You can dress, act, and call yourself as you please, but you are a woman. The irony of someone saying "I'm not binary," then talking about cross sex hormones, a chronic disease, and telling medical professionals "to learn more about trans bodies" while saying "asking for my pronouns isn't enough" is the absolute peak of woke, contradictory irony. I do hope your life improves, because PCOS sounds like it's terrible.

[@rumblefish9]

@@zobothehobo Regardless of how you identify yourself, untreated PCOS can have very serious long-term problems. It's not just about facial hair, not just about excess androgen hormones. People who have PCOS often suffer insulin resistance that then progresses to type 2 diabetes.

[@AKbaby89]

This happens so often. I see people talking about autism without talking to autistic people

[@mikacakes]

I feel this, as someone with ASD I recently tried out that new show "as we see it" and it made me genuinely so upset. It was full of negative harmful stereotypes and misrepresentation, it was so tone deaf and alienating. I didn't watch beyond the first episode. We need representation from the groups to talk about the issues that group faces and how they experience the world!

[@zrc1514]

@@mikacakes I saw stuff about this show as well. I haven't and am likely never going to watch it as it's not my thing but I am curious as to how it is everything you have described. As far as I have seen it has very positive reviews and the three leads are all Autistic.

[@katherinemorelle7115]

There's a phrase the disabled community uses (because we also have massive issues in this ares, all the way down to people asking our carer's how we are... when we're right there!), and that is "nothing about us, without us". I think that is so important.

[@alliemarch9401]

I'm autistic and I even had people trying to teach me what my experience is which is extremely ridiculous and frustrating!

[@AKbaby89]

@@katherinemorelle7115 I'm disabled (not from autism tho) and ive heard that, and felt it, way too often. 💝

[@maremi3341]

As a trans man, I love how you talk about gynecology. Even if most people who those parts are women, not all are and your acknowledgment of that makes me feel a lot less alienated.

[@tmntallthewaydw]

im enby and this is also 100% how i feel

[@audaciouswildhorses]

Me, too.

[@JennieFuchsia]

My favorite is when a provider talks to a patient like she’s an idiot for saying there’s no way she could be pregnant only for the patient to tell that provider that There Is No Sperm In The Relationship. Watching MDJ it’s clear we DO need to clarify the chances of pregnancy in a lot of situations. There are definitely people on I Didn’t Know I Was Pregnant who would’ve declined a pregnancy test thinking it wasn’t possible, but providers trying to convince me I need a pregnancy test always talk to me like I’m an idiot, and that doesn’t help anyone.

[@somedude172]

its weird too because i have the complete opposite problem- im not on t or anything, so they see that i look like a dude but have an F on my chart and then immediately assume im a lesbian i guess, because half the time they dont ask about pregnancy... i have a functioning uterus and im sexually attracted to men, so its totally possible! being asked about it makes me dysphoric as hell and im not sexually active, so i dont mind too much. but that doesnt negate that theyre giving subpar care based on an assumption. im sure theres cis women that deal with it too because i barely even dress masc, i was just born with a wide jaw and bushy eyebrows and got a haircut

[@gillablecam]

There's basically no good way to talk about it, unfortunately, because the stigma of unknown/unwanted pregnancy is enormous. Definitely there's a scale of awkwardness/condescension, but no matter how you bring it up, telling a person "i know you've told me you can't possibly be pregnant, but I'll need to do a blood/urine test" will always be a negative time. One thing I was taught while doing my emergency term as a junior doctor was that you NEVER make assumptions about pregnancy status. Two cis-women come in together and state they're in a committed, monogamous relationship? Your patient could be cheating and not want their partner to know, or might not be aware of their own actions (looking at you, zolpidem). Mirenas fail. Tubal ligations and vasectomies self-reverse. There is no excuse for a pre-menopausal person with a uterus not to have a pregnancy test, because the effects of some investigations and treatments on a developing foetus can be catastrophic and should only be done with full knowledge

[@JennieFuchsia]

@@gillablecam yes I said I understood the need for a clear explicit conversation and that condescension is the problem

[@gillablecam]

@@JennieFuchsia I disagree that condescension is the only problem - there is also the problem of the stigma around unplanned/unknown pregnancy, which is why there's not going to be a comfortable version of that conversation until we have a fundamental change in our society's attitudes towards people with uteruses

[@alexhackett8023]

Strongly agreed, when a GP asks if there's any chance I'm pregnant and I say no, I am almost always met with 'well how can you be sure? How can you say that? Didn't you say you were sexually active? I think you should take a test just to rule it out' etc and although I understand why they ask, there could be a better way to go about it. It feels very hetero normative and doesn't account for trans people or infertile people in general. I also can't help but think if I was less stereotypically 'feminine' looking they wouldn't say this as well

[@2137Mia]

As an enby nurse in Poland i really needed this video, it almost made me cry. thank you 😭

[@MamaDoctorJones]

♥️♥️

[@taylorcarmen5336]

There's something striking about how deeply you are listening to each other. Jamie, I'm sorry you've had to chase the care you need. I hope this conversation made you feel cared for in the way you deserve.

[@Musicalfate24]

One of my kids is Trans f/m, and is having top surgery in 4 days. These are things that never crossed my mind as a parent. I feel more prepared to have this conversation with them if they ever come to me about it. And you better bet this mom will be researching doctors from now on.

[@danijones8314]

unrelated to the video but i hope your child is recovering well from surgery!

[@kitwillihnganz5972]

You should really check out Jamie's channel. He and Shaaba are a lot of fun--and your kid will think you're cool.

[@Nikita-wj1ls]

It's so nice to hear about a parent that is being supportive. It's a good thing that you're trying to educate yourself, you're child is really lucky to have you

[@proudatheist2042]

How old is your female child? I hope she is recovering well from having her breasts cut off for no valid medical reason. What objective test(s) have been used to determine that your daughter is truly suffering from Gender Dysphoria and would benefit from such an extreme biological intervention at such a young age?

[@Musicalfate24]

He has recovered very well and is alot happier. He also went thru years of counseling. It's no one's place to judge how he lives his life, and it smy job as a parent to love and support him however I can as long as it isnt involving illegal activities. He is an adult and made the decision that was right for him. Why is it looked on differently to have breasts removed but not enhanced? He is happy and thats all that matters to me

[@Tadwinked]

I asked my doctor about pursuing a hysterectomy and instead of actually giving me information he told me, "that's a big decision for a young lady." I'm a 26-year-old man.

[@Solace6428]

Don't worry, it's just as hard for cis women to get them. I've known from day one that I want to be infertile (and have a ton of menstrual issues and pain), and they still reject me

[@MamaDoctorJones]

There’s a difference in the goals and treatment for gender confirmation surgery (hysterectomy, removal of tubes/cervix +/- ovaries) and sterilization (removal of tubes). Hysterectomy is not generally a recommendation for fertility avoidance, as the risks compared to removing tubes are much higher. Obviously people have trouble accessing sterilization as well, which is an issue, but hysterectomy shouldn’t be performed purely for contraception.

[@MichaelCS146]

I got my hysterectomy 4 days before my 18th b-day, and I didn't even need a parent present to sign any papers (in my state, you can make your own mental health decisions at 14 and most other health decisions at 16).

[@SilverFlame819]

EWWWWW, I'd be out the door so fast, and I'm not even trans. That is so fucking condescending and gross.

[@Schnort]

@@MichaelCS146 WHERE THE FECK DO YOU LIVE I'M MOVING THERE RIGHT NOW!

[@brandy3198]

When talking about PAP smears, trans women are almost entirely left out. I had one last year, my first ever. There is not enough data out there to say if it is necessary or not for transwomen who have had Affirmation surgery. I have had mama-grams every two years. I hadn't even thought of a PAP smear until I received a letter from our Provincial Cancer Care saying I needed one. I called them and told them I'm transgender and that's when I found out that data was lacking, better safe than sorry. I'm lucky my physician is great, so I get the best of care.

[@Ajehy]

I hope they get the data soon! Everyone deserves to be protected from cancer.

[@GayCorvidae69]

Yeah better safe than sorry indeed! Often estrogen and testosterone can cause cancer in the womb/ovaries/testicles etc, so I think you are still at risk as any other person. Maybe a little less or a little more than cis people, but I don’t think your chance is 0%, because you still have the same hormones cis people have, as well as the same parts (either internally or externally). Especially when the ovaries/womb/prostate aren’t removed. That’s usually where cancer forms, and I think even with the opposite hormones, that would still be at risk. Idk, I could be wrong though, but I’m studying medicine, and from what I’ve learned about cancer in cis people, I can sorta try and translate that to trans people too, so I might be wrong here, again I’m still studying medicine, but I do think you are still at a risk for cancer and probably should still get PAP smears done!

[@devent10n]

@@GayCorvidae69 there's no good evidence about testosterone causing ovarian, uteran, or cervical cancer.

[@taylorbarnett1199]

Yeah there’s so many reasons why trans women would need this type of healthcare especially because taking estrogen has risk of cancer as well. You can still get breast cancer for example.

[@calamitynatalie8590]

To me, it seems like you are a pioneer in starting more accurate data being collected.

[@Bville2]

Listen to him describe every experience in healthcare as being neutral to uncomfortable has me in tears. We all need to do better! I love you guys🥺❤️

[@clairebriggs4333]

I am a student mental health nurse, I'm 3rd year and about to qualify. My wife is a trans woman. There has been NO LGBT+ content. I have raised this many times as a concern. Many times on placement I have been educating nursing staff and support workers and doctors. My cohort have also asked me questions. I find it incredibly concerning that the future medical professionals have no education on this! Ps love you both and this colab is amazing xxx

[@BigGayIncorporated]

Thank you for being outspoken on our behalf

[@jimmy_xi9342]

What education?

[@siristarchaser]

The collab I never knew I needed❤

[@SnarkNSass]

Zactly 😁💯

[@AshtonColby]

I’m a transgender man and seeing this kind of content IS LIFE CHANGING. I came out ten years ago and had to DIG on KZbin to find stuff. My cisgender woman best friend watches your channel and suggested this video to me.

[@ginaleventhal4507]

Thank you so much for this post. I have been thinking about the issues surrounding the Trans community for some time, and trying to understand what they are dealing with every day. As a 71 year old woman, this is something I am only coming to recognize and understand within the past 10 years or so. Listening to you and this brave young man talk about the problems faced just in getting proper health care, not to mention acceptance, has given me plenty of food for thought. I will be much more sensitive and understanding after this.

[@Dancinglemon]

I, admittedly, don’t have a good track record of interacting with your generation as a non binary person about trans stuff, so your comment just really spoke to me. Thank you for making an effort and listening, I wish I knew people like you in real life.

[@BigGayIncorporated]

We need more older people like you who actually make an effort to learn something for once :(

[@macksthetigerchild3417]

Hey Mama Doctor Jones, do you think you could do a video on trans men's gynecological needs depending on what all they've had done medically? For example, if you've had top surgery, is there still enough breast tissue left to need to get mammograms? Or if you've had a hysterectomy, do you still need regular pap smears? That kind of thing. It's just really hard to find information on that stuff.

[@celery4096]

instead of mammo trans masc ppl would get ultrasound if the chest is flat. not sure about the folks who get a type of top survery that leaves more of the tissue behind

[@Eva-xb4ui]

@@celery4096 actually men can get breast cancer too, and I believe it used to be common practice to very awkwardly mammo them, same as they do for flat chested women

[@nathanreidart4456]

That would be a good video and very well needed.I'll throw what knowledge I have as a trans guy who had to do lots of googling & asking doctors along the way: As far as I know if you have a cervix you still need to get a pap smear, but if you get the cervix removed you no longer need a pap, but the basic visual exam / possible internal exam is still a good idea to get done. I asked the doctor who will be doing my hysterectomy the same question & that is what I was told. For mammograms, there is still the slight possibility of breast cancer developing even though usually 99% of the breast tissue is removed so it's still good to ask & get an ultrasound done when the time arises. The risk is diminished a lot, though, since the breast tissue where the cancer develops is removed; similar to mastectomy done for the purpose of preventing breast cancer from reoccuring. Cis men get breast cancer because they still have breast tissue, it's just not as developed.

[@JDMimeTHEFIRST]

I actually think it’s pretty feminist to have person artist of the year because it acknowledges artists as being the best (not just “good, for a woman”). I can’t stand when women’s accomplishments are minimized in that way. Science and art remain gender neutral for accomplishments for the reason that our brains are all equally capable. That being said, there’s still bias against women and people of color as well as trans people when judging accomplishments.

[@johndoe4110]

Yes, I've never heard of "best male artist". It's patronizing to act like women are so bad they need a separate category. There are so many talented women in art and music.

[@sarahhiggins1515]

@@johndoe4110 no there was a best male and a best female artist category. The Brits got rid of all their gendered categories and combined them into one gender neutral one.

[@reapthewhirlwind4166]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnqohqiNotV9rNU

[@kaiyodei]

@@sarahhiggins1515 how is that going? is one demographic heavy on the wins?

[@jimmy_xi9342]

@@johndoe4110 How's it patronizing?

[@AKbaby89]

It breaks my heart that he said he's had so many people not know how to talk to him💔 I noticed a year or two ago, the Virginia Mason here in Seattle added proffered pronouns to the info sheet you fill out when you get there, but there's nothing about cis/trans. I'm disabled (from Stage 4 Endometriosis) and ive had so many Dr's and nurses be rude to me or think im just drug seeking, but I can't even imagine a dr literally not even knowing how to speak to you, and it just really makes me sad and also angry that trans people are being so excluded from basic medical care.

[@semattheus1986]

Thank you so much for having this conversation. As a trans man who is also a nurse this is a topic that is so important to me. Also two of my favorite KZbinrs!

[@henriettajsoneskelin7806]

Here in Sweden I've noticed that pretty much every health care center I've been to the past 10 years are LGBT+ certified. I've followed both of you channels for a while but this made me take this less for granted and reflect more in detail on why inclusive language etc matters. I'll be out there working as a psychotherapist soon so I will be part of this positive change in my practice

[@carolfigueirars]

This conversation is really nice. I never thought deeply about this before, it must be hard when it shouldn't be.

[@Mama_Bear524]

“Must be hard when it shouldn’t be”. So much truth there.

[@kated2147]

I got so excited when I saw this! I love Jamie! As a gray-asexual person or just a person who has chosen not to be sexually active, I’ve felt really judged by doctors in the past when surrounding reproductive health. In college I was on the pill because of long/heavy periods and every time I told the people at my university clinic that I wasn’t sexually active, they never believed me. The letters beyond the LG in the acronym matter too!

[@skincarewithaustin]

I’ve been following Jamie for *years* . This is a collab I didn’t even know I needed, but I’m so happy to see it!

[@madeline9538]

I am in PA school and thankfully in our Patient Assessment class we talked about pronouns and to ask patients how they wanted to be addressed! I know that may seem small compared to discussing actual health issues and preventative screening (like smears) for trans people but I feel hopeful that our program will educate us on those issues (considering I've only been in my program for a month).

[@alyssarh]

It's so good to hear that efforts are being made to improve inclusivity! That makes me hopeful

[@emdale9269]

Asking someone's pronoun may be the difference between them coming back for treatment or staying home and avoiding things like preventative screening !

[@CorwinFound]

What Em Dale said. It's also a matter of safety. Outing a trans person, even accidentally, in public can have serious ramifications.

[@cruztastrophe]

If you are allowed to have adornments during clinicals, wear a pronoun pin. It's an easy, silent way to show allyship at first glance.

[@CorwinFound]

@@cruztastrophe Yes, if you are comfortable and feel safe doing that. Being outed as a trans person in public though isn't always safe. As an example, I went to a lab. At the counter (in relative privacy) I stated my preferred name. I'm a trans guy, pass as a man on casual inspection, and have a very girly birth name. The receptionist (even after stating my current name and having it on my paperwork) literally shouted out my birth name in the waiting room which was full of people. I got stares and double takes walking to the door. She laughed when I corrected her and said, "Oh, it's just habit. It doesn't really matter." Now aside from whether it matters personally to me or not, it IS a matter of safety. She just outed me as trans to a pile of people in public. I've had several friends physically attacked for being trans. As a healthcare professional she should act... professionally. For reasons of humanity and also for actual physical safety.

[@sparrowsfish]

I'm a mom and had to have a hysterectomy. I still watch pregnancy videos and advice because I care about women. Now, you're educating me on something else I care about and inspiring me to become more educated about language. Thank you.

[@cane-cladraven]

This is so lovely

[@aawillma]

One thing to remember: inclusive language is not just for non-cis people. I know someone who was called mama in the hospital while giving birth who had an extremely abusive mother she called mama. She's not trans, she doesn't know how to tell people that she would prefer to be considered a "parent" vs a mother because of her history. I personally prefer gender neutral language because I want my child to aspire to be anything in the future and not feel limited by gendered titled. Inclusive language is important for a lot of reasons!!

[@mfanwelikeit3760]

This! It’s incredibly important, I would be insanely triggered for this reason alone.

[@proudatheist2042]

So you want your child to also pretend the biological differences between bodies don't exist and that before it became the "cool fad" to "become trans" 99.8% of people identified as cisgender without an issue?

[@reapthewhirlwind4166]

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[@shierrinflae]

Yes! Ibwas trying to explain that not everyone who gives birth is a mum (as in, surrogates may not be mothers) and not every mum gives birth (as in, not every adoptive parent has given or will give birth). They just said I‘m saying nonsensical stuff and don’t make sense and seem like I‘m angry and having a political agenda. 🙄 Well, I‘m sorry but all these anti-trans laws kinda make it a political issue… And I wasn’t even talking about trans issues yet because inclusive language doesn’t just include trans people.

[@kdkorz10211]

This is something we bring up a lot within trans communities that I feel like most cis people don’t understand unless they are close to (and supportive of) at least one trans person. All of the things that are being done either to try to attack our community or are simply hurting our community through ignorance *also* *hurt* *many* *cisgender* *people.*

[@morganbaines4996]

I can already tell I'm going to love this, I love that MDJ is educating herself and others. ❤❤

[@Zeyev]

Thanks very much to both of you. Even though we are lumped together in the "LGBT+" category, we gay men and lesbians do not get a pass since we also often fail to understand the complexities of the lives our trans compatriots.

[@theghostkat]

there are trans gay men and trans lesbians though ?

[@xsilhouette8198]

@@theghostkat yep! They couldve stated cis gay men and cis lesbian women to be more clear but as a trans person I didn't feel excluded as I understood what they were trying to say- wouldn't hurt to add the cis in though and help avoid further confusion (:

[@theghostkat]

@@xsilhouette8198 yeah they should have said cis it confused me

[@kstar1489]

@@theghostkat simple mistake. Let’s be chill

[@theghostkat]

@@kstar1489 i didnt say anything about being mad ????????????

[@Inlieuofsue]

I love when you use gender neutral terms like “pregnant people” because it also reminds society that life-givers are PEOPLE. There is so much tied to loaded terms such as “mom”, “mother”, etc. it makes me, even a cis woman, feel more comfortable / free / seen.

[@SnazzyArcade]

But a woman is a female person. We're the only type of people who are capable of giving birth, of gestating, etc. Maybe a different way to approach this is why is "mother" a dirty word? Is the word the problem, or how society treats mothers and women the problem?

[@keeweebir]

@@SnazzyArcade no you aren’t lol, some men give birth, go complain about a nonissue somewhere else

[@SnazzyArcade]

@@keeweebir I'll stop complaining when maternal care isn't so abysmal.

[@kittycatcaoimhe]

@@SnazzyArcade maybe the problem is that not only women are capable of giving birth? Not everyone who gives birth is a mother?

[@cerberaodollam]

@@SnazzyArcade how is healthcare being abysmal trans people's fault though? It's not just maternal care either btw, we have govt-run healthcare here and the quality is ridiculous. (And we don't even have proper transgender care but that's because Viktor is a problem. Like, the whole guy is just....uhhh.)

[@eclowe6594]

Ahh! Love that y'all did this collab. Love you both! Also I'm nonbinary (AFAB) and I really like that you use gender inclusive language. All the obgyns around here say things like "by women for women" and it's really frustrating because not all of us who need their services are women.

[@trawrtster6097]

That's why I go to places like Planned Parenthood for pap smears, birth control, etc. I feel like I'm being seen as a person rather than a woman. If you live in a larger city, you may be able to find clinics/hospitals that specifically say they're inclusive and ask patients what name and pronouns they go by. It's unfortunate that it's not an option everywhere.

[@BigGayIncorporated]

@@trawrtster6097 Same here. I'm so grateful Planned Parenthood exists, my doctor treats me respectfully, I'd be terrified to go to any of the other clinics in my city. It's even worse because I live in the Bible Belt, so all the clinics are "St. Whateverfuckingbullshit Center" or whatever and all the staff are cis white Bible humpers :P I don't feel like I'm stepping back in time 100 years when I walk into Planned Parenthood lmao

[@eclowe6594]

@@trawrtster6097I live in a decent sized city but a very red state and it shows, even in our healthcare. all the hospitals here are religious. We have Baptist, Catholic, and Jewish run hospitals. The Jewish one is a tad more inclusive but their system is trash and I refuse to go back there because they diagnosed a broken wrist as a sprain and missed a giant gallstone and that ended up with me having emergency surgery in the Baptist hospital a week later. I honestly don't think hospitals should be able to be owned by religious organizations but literally all the ones here are, even the university one (it's run in conjunction with the Jewish organization). The Planned Parenthood here literally has protesters screaming at people going inside every single day it's open, for the entirety of the time it's open. Ive got enough religious trauma without putting myself through that. And where the planned Parenthood is located (right in the heart of downtown) no they can't be on the property and they can't be within 30 feet of the doors but you have no way to get into the clinic without being within 30 feet of them. I can't do it. And the more I dress in an androgynous style honestly the scarier that would make that for me because the protestors are a bunch of religious zealots. My current obgyn is understanding. She's in one of those "by women for women" places though... And it's actually inside one of the hospitals. and she's made a note in my chart for the nurse to just say "Lowe" when getting me from the waiting room but 9 times out of 10 they say "Miss Lowe". She's also super great about my weight and not making everything about my weight so I'm not wanting to change... I just wish her office could be more inclusive. She does too. And I can tell she's trying to get it there. It's very rare here though. I actually work for a place that specifically caters to LGBTQ+ for other healthcare services and even with it being all over our website and on our intake paperwork that we're affirming we occasionally get people who still get upset when I ask for their pronouns. Because it's just that unacceptable around here (we're very much at my work like if that's not something you're ok with here's some referrals to other places we're not a good fit for you but our kinda company is uncommon around here)

[@genevievec.8002]

Do you understand why the feminist movement might not appreciate that though? When you consider that from their perspective, women have been fighting to have control over services over their own bodies. Yes, trans men should be included in these conversations because they are affected, but there's not really any ideal language that addresses that. You can say menstruations, birthers, etc. but then you're also breaking people down to their anatomy, which again, is something women have been fighting for. I'm not advocating for either side, but I see no consideration usually for the other sides perspective in these conversations.

[@eclowe6594]

@@genevievec.8002 Wowwww. Way to come in here and totally invalidate me. GTFO.

[@KWAnima]

I’m sure this is going to get lost in this comment section, but Mama Doctor Jones! You give me hope. I’m a trans guy, and my husband and I had our first daughter back in August of 2021. The care I received at the hospital was good, but the lack of compassion I received made giving birth (an already dysphoria heightening situation) more stressful. Nurses insisted on calling me “she” and “mama”, even after being reminded. Not even an hour after our daughter was born, I was barraged by confused hospital staff calling about what to put on her birth certificate regarding baby’s parentage (one in particular kept asking if I “my partner was transgendering too” or just me). I blamed myself for making it more difficult for healthcare workers we encountered, but you helped me realize: Birth is a viscerally vulnerable and personal event. It shouldn’t be up to the patient to remind healthcare workers to respect them. Diversity training and raising awareness about trans health is so important.

[@belledunn2640]

@@carmenmonoxide6082 How could you read a comment where someone talks about a deeply uncomfortable situation where they were treated poorly by people who were suppose to help them and decide, "Hey, let's comment something hateful!" Can you imagine how you would feel if someone were to treat you that way?

[@michellejones83]

@@carmenmonoxide6082 An Adult, would consider others feelings and wouldn't be mean for absolutely no reason. I don't think you know what the term ADULT means.

[@michellejones83]

K.W. Anima - I'm sorry that you had to experience that. Not being trans, I haven't experienced anything like you probably have, but I've had doctors dismissed health issues of mine in the past. And have had to really learn to advocate for myself and find doctors that will really listen to me. I know that's hard in a hospital during child birth, and isn't the time that you should have to deal with that. Again, I'm sorry you went through that. ❤

[@evi6629]

Sorry you had to go through that, and also sorry for the bigots in your comments. I hope you, your husband and your daughter are all doing well now!

[@kizune9375]

@@rokzane OP and his partner wanted a baby and it is their decision that he carries it. It is non of our business. He is not taking anything away from women. I am a woman myself and I could not care less about a pregnant man sitting next to me at the doctor, waiting for his appointment. Would I look and take a moment to process? Sure. But in the end it is not my business.

[@TheLycanthrope09]

I love how MDJ didn't feel the need to shame Jamie for not having had a pap smear. I'm nonbinary and asexual, and I've dealt with so much shit from doctors over the years, especially about that particular topic. I just don't go to the doctor anymore because I've gotten so tired of them making it entirely about that, regardless of what my actual reason for seeing them is. (Seriously, I once had a doctor that wanted to require a pap smear to get my anxiety medication to get refilled. I found a psychiatrist for the anxiety meds, but he's the only doctor I ever go to because of this.) It really sucks these days because I've been dealing with really severe collarbone pain lately, but I haven't gotten it checked out because I know the doctor is going to care more about my genitals than the actual pain I'm in.

[@ElysiumsJourney]

It was two-fold. She knew she wasn't his doctor, and she also knows shaming people only makes things worse in the long-term. I feel like if *I was your provider* (I'm obvi not), I would say, "You really should, but I understand your hesitancy. What are your exact reservations? Let's work through this." We'd talk about that and I would recommend or try to help you find an inclusive doctor that fulfills your needs Sidenote: Dysphoria and trust issues suck, yo!

[@TheLycanthrope09]

@@ElysiumsJourney Thanks for your kind response! I agree that shaming is counter-productive, but it happens all the time, even from people who aren't doctors. The NP I went to in college had an approach like yours; I think she would have preferred that I had a pap smear once I turned 21, but she didn't make a huge deal about it and still allowed me to get care for other health issues without making that a condition of it, unlike the doctor that wanted to do one to refill anxiety meds, which is really messed up in my opinion. (That doctor also asked me why I thought I needed to be on anxiety meds--which I'd been on for almost 10 years at that point-- since I didn't currently want to hurt myself or other people. I reported her for unprofessional conduct, and absolutely nothing was done about it, but it made me feel better to do that, if nothing else.) Also, in my specific case, I've never had any kind of sexual contact, and she told me that because of that, my risk is so low that it's really not worth it if getting a pap smear is that upsetting to me. I'm 31 now and still have never been sexually active in any way, but good luck finding a doctor that's cool with that at my age. I doubt even MDJ would be. I think the biggest reason the idea bothers me so much is because of dysphoria about having those parts, and especially about having someone touch it and insert things. Ideally I'd just like to get it all removed, since it doesn't serve any purpose for me other than causing problems. (I had an endometrial ablation when i was 24, which helped a bit by fixing the overly heavy, painful periods, but those parts still hurt and just shouldn't be there to begin with.) I'm hoping someday I can find a doctor that will be willing to do that. Sorry for the super long-winded response to this! Thanks for giving me an outlet to say it, if nothing else.

[@ElysiumsJourney]

@@TheLycanthrope09 Funny you mention a NP. Mine is much the same way and is one of two people that helped me decide to shift from the accounting field to the medical field (it's a W.I.P) I would like to say good on you for putting a response in. Some, probably most, people wouldn't You're right that some professionals would try to give you Hell for that, but I highly doubt MDJ would say anything about that. She has definitely trained the, "I'm not allowed to let my feelings cloud my professionalism." Would she hold an opinion on that time frame? Yes, probably, but she'd also go, "I'm glad you're here now." That exact mentality of they could be that way is what made me so incredibly skiddish of finding a counselor to help guide me as I better my mental health Yeah. I get having dysphoria over your bottom region. I mean obviously not exactly, but that's what I call my, "Dysphoria Hotspot." Well that and my lack of ability to give birth (am binary trans woman). I believe I feel similar to you, regarding the eventual prostate exam. I will absolutely despise it and find it humiliating in a way cis men don't. It's not the sticking something in there that gets me, it's the association to "manhood." Also so looking forward to pap smears in the distant future /s. Why brain? Why do you need a vagina?! 😤🤦‍♀️ *Sidenote* Before anyone asks, I'm here because I like both creators and knowledge seeking

[@EndingsAreHard]

Hi, I don't want to butt in but I just wanted to quickly share something because our stories are quite similar (nonbinary, ace, almost the same age): I just switched doctors a year ago and I was very concerned to share certain things but my new doc is really cool. When I brought up that I'm queer and ace and all of that, she didn't even blink an eye. And she always considers those facts when I ask her questions about my care as well! She's also very, very careful and considerate during exams and talks me through everything that's going to happen. I just wanted to share because I felt so enraged about your comment (a pap for anxiety meds? WTF?) and because it really bothers me how some people just can't receive care because of acephobia and all the other bs. So yes, doctors who actually care about your wellbeing do exist. I do hope you find someone you feel comfortable with soon so you can receive the care you need and deserve. Have a great day! :)

[@TheLycanthrope09]

​@@EndingsAreHard I don't think you're butting in at all; I appreciate your reply! How did you find a doctor that was okay with you being ace and nonbinary? When I found the psychiatrist that manages my anxiety meds, I called around to different psychiatrists near me and asked if they were okay with LGBTQ+ patients and, if so, if they were okay with asexual patients. Did you do something like that to find a regular doctor? I would just be concerned that they would lie about that just to get my money (I'm in the U.S., if you couldn't tell) but then give me a bad experience once I actually went. Also, sorry my comment made you feel enraged! For whatever it's worth, when I left that appointment, the receptionist could tell I was shaken up and asked what was wrong. I told her in no uncertain terms that I would never be going back to that doctor again and why, and she seemed horrified by it. (Like, for real, ace and nonbinary aside, that was just stupid of that doctor to think "oh, this person is on anxiety meds and has never met me before? They'll be just fine with me digging around in their crotch!") I reported that doctor for the unprofessional conduct, and nothing ever actually happened to her, but hopefully she was at least made aware of the report and it gave her a kick in the butt to do better. Sorry for the novel-length reply! I am actually going to be on a panel at a LGBTQ+ studies conference next month (one of the profs from the university I went to invited me to do that) so hopefully I'll be able to educate at least a few people about asexuality and the issues ace people deal with.

[@KAT300ify]

As a current second year medical student in the United States, it has been drilled into me from day one to state my pronouns and to ask about pronouns when taking a history. I also had to attend a gender diversity panel to hear from transgender and nonbinary people on how to be more inclusive in healthcare. Due to this I feel prepared to be inclusive in practice, but I do wish there was more instruction on different gender healthcare practices and preventions.

[@miniciominiciominicio]

Change is coming with every new med student and resident. It’s wonderful to know this is happening behind the scenes, at least in some medical schools.

[@wiseoneedarra593]

My brother is currently a third year med student. I'll have to ask him what gender inclusivity training he's had so far. I'm curious now.

[@shushia1658]

That's really cool to know

[@nbdjz1058]

when i first went to an american high school in 2018 for an exchange, most teachers asked our pronouns along with our name. i was BAFFLED. so far i have never seen that in spaces in europe that are not specifically or exclusively for lgbt+ folks.

[@jimmy_xi9342]

Indoctrination working in full flow

[@literaterose6731]

Truly love these collabs between Jamie & MDJ! Just popping in to say how much I appreciate the gender neutral language. I’m genderqueer/transmasc, figuring a lot about it out late in life after a lifetime of confusion; I’m 60, with three kids in their 30s and 40s and two teenage grandkids (one of whom is trans, woot!). I’m just starting to come out, including choosing my real name, and am so far out to one kid, one grandkid and my sister. One thing I decided ahead of time (and am letting the appropriate people know as the coming out process unfolds) is that I’m fine with my kids and grandkids continuing to call me Mom/Ma/Mama/Ima (yes, my kids are inconsistent!) and Nana. For me, those terms are a kind of title, and describe the relationship between me and them, rather than a reference to my gender. I don’t find any incongruity in being Nana Lloyd, as opposed to the more typically feminine name my parents gave me! But it’s exactly this kind of thing I get crazy anxious about trying to explain to medical providers and other official folks. Luckily, my current PCP (same as GP, pretty much) has a lot of LGBTQ experience, so that’s one less hurdle. Thank you MDJ, for being a public advocate and educator, and Jamie for sharing so much of your own personal experience and knowledge-you provide comfort and hope to so many people like me!

[@tinkeramma]

"Nana Lloyd" makes me so happy. It's the perfect combination of your journey to your most authentic self and your relationships with these people you love without worrying what the rest of the world is going to say.

[@literaterose6731]

@@tinkeramma Thank you so so much! I’ve only started tentatively using my name in a few select places (ones that feel safer!), as not everyone I know is aware of it yet, and I’m a pretty long way out from a full legal change. It’s so wonderful to see a positive response. You have no idea how encouraging it is… it’s a little overwhelming making changes this big at my stage of life! ☺️

[@miramilk6871]

@@literaterose6731 Take it at your own pace. The most important thing about this journey is being comfortable as your most authentic self, no matter how long it takes, and that is true at any stage of life ☺️

[@maxthemannequin4143]

I really love MDJ saying that she was initially hesitant to use gender neutral language, but then studied the research and put her ego aside to be a better healthcare provider. Also love the art on the wall sporting the trans flag colors! 🏳️‍⚧️

[@milliewarner8911]

I am a non-binary human and it's so good to see people starting to use gender neutral language. It genuinely doesn't hurt anyone, but it can make people feel seen and valid. I love that MDJ and other medical professionals are doing/starting to do this. It inspires my practice as a nurse ❤️

[@ninimeggie4771]

Never expected this collab but I love it!!

[@michelleswanson6347]

I'm bi, and I went to planned parenthood to get some contraception for use with women. I went because the reviews I saw said planned parenthood is very lgbtq plus friendly. I absolutely loved the practitioner I saw. She made me feel comfortable, and I didn't have to give any explanations on how things work with me being bi. It was so great to finally have that kind of clinic experience. If you're looking for a lgbtq plus friendly clinic, I'd recommend looking into planned parenthood

[@jeffthebloodthirsty9388]

This timing is kinda funny as I'm having an obstetrician appointment tomorrow for a hysterectomy, to be finally magical-stopping-menstruation-pill-free (as a trans guy) :) I'm going with my grandma so people will probably think it's for her and I'm only the helping grandson 😂

[@natureallmighty]

Good luck! 🥰

[@jeffthebloodthirsty9388]

@@natureallmighty thank you, I wasn't really bothered by it until now that I remember guys don't usually go there... And now I'm feeling uncomfortable when I have the right to go there! People should support people even if they aren't sure instead of judging without knowing!

[@PensiveOmen]

Congratulations! (jealous) Good luck with the recovery process

[@jeffthebloodthirsty9388]

@@PensiveOmen Thank you, actually it's the appointment to plan the operation it's not the operation yet🙂 mDon't be too jealous your time will probably come one day, and if it doesn't you may accept it to be able to move on and be happy 💜

[@jenslims]

I love that grandma is going with you! Hope everything goes smoothly for you 😀

[@reality1701]

I love this collab and thank you Dr. Jones for being open and accountable about your journey towards being more inclusive! I’m AFAB non-binary and the VA isn’t very inclusive yet. They’re taking slow steps but it’s still not there yet.

[@tondriasanders6306]

Please keep making more videos like this! As the parent of a young tansperson I appreciate this video so much. I have so many questions and watch both MDJ and Jammidodger to help find answers and direction on where to find answers so I can best support my child, my husband, my other children and myself as my child transitions and we grow with them. I have so many questions about how they will need to care for their biological anatomy as they continue their journey. I worry all the time about the challenges they face in general and seeking the medical knowledge and care they need is high on my list of concerns. I am so grateful for these conversations.

[@Aubz47]

I adore jammi! He has taught me so much. I come from a religious background that prevented me from growing up with understanding of the lgbtq community. I’ve learned so much from him and this furthered my knowledge even more! Thank you for giving his voice another platform!

[@ichbinben.]

I've been on testosterone for over 6 years now and had top surgery several years ago as well. I'm very happy about where I am in my transition and feel pretty much "done". I haven't experienced dysphoria in a long time, and I pass, so it's been a long time since I've been misgendered. Until recently, when I had to get... I don't know the term in English, inlays for my shoes? To help with joint pain and fix my posture, because I can't stand straight (pun intended). When I had to press my feet onto that... cushion (?) thingy to get the measurements for the inlay, the orthopedist noted how small my feet were "for a man", and that was the first time in years that I experienced gender dysphoria. I don't blame her, she didn't mean anything by it, but it was an unnecessary comment nonetheless and kinda ruined my day. A small thing to complain about, I know, but it's still kinda shitty to think you're past that dysphoria shit and then you're brought back into that dark mindset so quickly and unexpectedly. Again, I'm not hating on her. Don't know why I'm sharing this, I just had to think of it when watching this video.

[@esmeraldagreengate4354]

I think it's orthotic inserts. I think. English is my only language and I just realised I'm not sure 🤦‍♀️🤣

[@MirrimBlackfox]

@@esmeraldagreengate4354 Your right, orthotic inserts, or insoles, are what Ich bin Ben is describing.

[@ahhh4117]

I hate when people say any kind of comments like that to me "your face is quite round for a man", "quite short for a man", etc. Like dude are cis men happy to hear that? No they never are. I am the correct height for a man because I am a man, it's rude to imply otherwise. Also please don't feel bad about your feet, my father, a cis man, wears a size 6 in mens shoes (an 8 in womens)

[@TheJoyBinkley]

Sigh. Those sorts of comments always bother me. Random physical observations are usually pointless and often unknowingly hurtful.

[@Ajehy]

@@TheJoyBinkley yeah. The only physical observations I ever make are compliments about things that are obviously choices. “That’s a cool tattoo” or “love your hair dye” (when it’s blue or pink or something) or “is that a keyblade on your necklace?” It’s only backfired on me once, when a guy had a tattoo that I thought was Aperture Science from Portal, but it was actually a camera aperture (he was a photographer).

[@OttoRain_95]

I'm nonbinary and afab. I've got cysts and my doctor wants to put me basically on estrogen pills to stop ovulation so I stop developing cysts. The problem is I've bee considering starting testosterone to feel more masculine and I think that would also work to stop ovulation. I have no idea how to bring this up with my doctor though, since she's specializes a women's health. I have an appointment with her tomorrow, so wish me luck!

[@testosteronic]

I'm also nonbinary, I'm on progesterone to stop my periods (I have the implant). The only effect it's had (for me) is to stop my periods, nothing feminising has happened. You could look into that, maybe bring it up as an alternative to estrogen? Edit: I've just seen when you posted that and when you said you were seeing your doctor. Hope it's gone well!

[@OttoRain_95]

@@testosteronic Thank you! I'm wanting to be more masculine and I spoke with my doctor. She said that testosterone should also stop ovulation so there's no reason it shouldn't work to treat my cysts AND help my transition! I would be her first enby/trans patient, so she's going to take a few weeks to do some research and get back to me. I'm pretty confident it will go well though 😊

[@Quonk079]

@@testosteronic Progesterone was a GODSEND pre T for me lmao

[@frozenthirdyear]

@@Quonk079 I'm in the same boat! I'm unable to go on T yet because of my weight. I've been on progesterone (oral) for over 2 years and it's still doing its job just fine.

[@sternentigerkatze]

@@OttoRain_95 Wow! That's so cool! I'm afab enby and my (natural) T-level is too high. I'm not even sure what consequences that could have. I don't KNOW though, IF my gynecologist knows anything about trans* people and what her attitude towards trans*people is. Just booked an appointment after much internal debate.

[@swastimathur317]

I DIDNT KNEW I NEEDED THIS COLLAB BUT IM SO GLAD WE HAVE IT

[@soulgazer11]

As a trans man who's a fan of both channels, this was so relatable, I love it 💙! It's REFRESHING to watch a health care professional have an *actual well-meaning genuine conversation* with a trans person.

[@Trashtiel]

"you'll never be a real woman" happened to me as well (trans guy here), its honestly such a compliment lmao

[@BigGayIncorporated]

right just be like "thank you!" :D

[@reapthewhirlwind4166]

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[@Jellybeansatdusk]

There’s nothing womanly about you. 😂

[@jimmy_xi9342]

It shows how silly all of this is.

[@erinhaase7485]

I’m a first year med student in the US and while we have a long ways to go, I will say we did have an 8 hour seminar on trans inclusive care so hopefully our education continues to improve!

[@margosloan1623]

It's so important to mention that, in healthcare, this conversation is important even in "unrelated fields." I am an audiologist and treat many trans people across the spectrum. They are no different from any cis patient. However, there are still so many questions surrounding hormonal replacement therapies and surgeries and what the long term effects on outside systems may be. Thanks to both of you for having this conversation publicly and for being willing to take the heat so people can learn, even people like myself who are still trying to navigate this space personally. Much love to you both. #yourfriendlyneighborhoodaudiologist

[@DragonFae16]

I never even considered that trans men would need pap smears. I'm glad I learned something new today.

[@BrieCheese]

I'm excited for this one! I've followed you both for a couple of years now.

[@jen_chaos]

Jamie! I’m a huge fan and part of the alphabet mafia! I’ve been following you for YEARS, and I’m lesbian! I have lots of trans friends and we all love you!!! Keep being awesome, Jamie. I love how you educate people about OBGYN topics, Dr. Jones!❤️🧡💛💚💙💜

[@philopharynx7910]

Aww. I love seeing you both together. Both of you work hard at helping people in your own ways. Thank you both.

[@taylorpengov8907]

So personally I'm a nurse in Texas and I have had a situation where I went out to call a patient in the clinic setting, where the chart stated patient was female but when I called the patient identified as male and was offended. I apologized roomed the patient and found the tiny little section where it stated patient identifies as male. There needs to be more of a formal and up front way in the health care to show staff how the patient identifies. Not only to make the patient comfortable but for the staff to give more personal care.

[@nataliedulaney8347]

Yes, but biological sex should always be listed for anatomical reasons.

[@saoirsecameron]

Just don’t use gendered language if you aren’t sure. I know for some English dialects that can be hard as people habitually say sir/ma’am/miss/mister/etc. but when in doubt just say their name. They’ll know who they are.

[@geminiwolf0077]

@@nataliedulaney8347 I agree, though I would prefer it if it said Sex: Female Gender/Identity: Male. Birthname/Deadname: (Insert name, unless it has been legally changed, then N/A) Chosen Name:(Insert name) As an AMAB non-binary transfemme person, I really hope that in the future, all this stuff won't be so overly complicated. We just need to find solutions. I mean, as someone who hasn't had their name legally changed, I'd appreciate it if my physician/medical personnel wrote down my chosen name next to my birthname, and then when they greet me, instead of saying my deadname, they'll say my chosen name. My deadname is masculine, and if I'm "passing" as a female, I don't want to be outed in the waiting room. I really hope in the future, it'll be so safe for trans/non-binary people, that I won't have to worry about being outed, it will just be a small mistake. I'm honestly scared about my healthcare as a trans person. It's made me question whether I should medically transition or not, even though I want to.

[@geminiwolf0077]

@@saoirsecameron There's a gender neutral term called 'Mx.' It's pronounced like mix. So, I would be Mx. Wright, or by my username, Mx. GeminiWolf007. The safest thing to do is just use their name.

[@taylorpengov8907]

@@geminiwolf0077 yes that's what I was trying to say.

[@veevee306]

My primary care doctor walked into our annual wellness visit and greeted me with my proper name AND pronouns! It made me feel so much more comfortable as a trans man. This is just ONE reason why you are one of my favorite KZbinrs!

[@alphi4868]

Me, a trans woman, practically every time I go to any doctor’s office: Doctor or Nurse: “Is there any chance you could be pregnant?” Me: “Nope” Doctor or Nurse: “When was your last period?” One half of me, in my head: “🤩I PASS🤩” Other half, verbally: “😕uhhh, I…don’t….get those?” Doctor or Nurse: “….What? Why not?” Me, trying to determine if the cough or sore back I’m there to treat is worth outing myself: “I’m trans😒”, or “…I was born without a uterus🤷‍♀️”

[@jennoscura2381]

Yep! I know that all too well. That's when I explain that I am a post op trans woman and can't get pregnant and have never had a period.

[@tiryaclearsong421]

If you don't want to out yourself you might be able to say "I don't have a uterus". That way you wouldn't have to divulge more medical information than necessary while clearing the hurdle of all the people who say that because (for example), "Well my doctor told me that my endometriosis means I'm completely infertile even though I have all the parts and regularly have intercourse with a partner who can get me pregnant... "

[@Jellybeansatdusk]

I mean, tbh, it is medically relevant. I’m sorry that you feel uncomfortable or unsafe sharing that information, it’s really unfortunate that we have threatened and frightened people to the point of being unable to relay pertinent details about our anatomy in a medical setting. It helps doctors tremendously to be able to rule out any portion of solely afab issues like cervical cancer or illness/symptoms being related to pregnancy. Oftentimes you need an X-Ray for something, but they won’t do it if there’s a chance you might be pregnant, because of the potential risk. And also they do need to know if you’re at a higher risk for diseases and disorders that only affect amab people like prostate cancer. I think literally the only people on earth to whom your sex assigned at birth actually matters are: you, and your doctor. Which is why it’s so disheartening to hear people are afraid or uncomfortable to share this information with their doctors. That’s why it’s SOOO important for doctors to make moves to educate themselves and go out of their way to be inclusive. Finally, it’s important for gynecologists especially to be welcoming and inclusive because when you have female reproductive parts that need to be regularly checked up on for your health and safety, a lot of trans men are already tremendously uncomfortable in these offices due to dysphoria alone. It’s important to make that aware that they are welcome and we care about their health, because even men deserve to have proper access to gynecological healthcare. Like Jamie had brought up about his Pap smears.

[@kaiyodei]

well, periods can be bloodless and just hormones. no menstruation, but some trans women do get periods.

[@ritawright4291]

​@@kaiyodei how 🤔

[@alyssarh]

I was just watching one of your really old videos when I got this notification, you knew when I needed you 😂❤

[@kaeli_bug]

YAYYYYY! Im so happy about this collab!

[@nurse-sarah]

Thank you for making such an important video. I am a practice nurse in the UK and have recently done my cervical screening training. There was a large section on the issues of the system which can indirectly exclude trans men. If you register with your GP as a male, you will not recieve the 3 yearly invitations. We also discussed the barriers which receptionists/ healthcare staff may make when a male asks to book a smear. I had not considered this before (naively) but I will now and have educated other staff. I hope you have been able to access the health care you need with a positive experience.

[@thenerrdpit7441]

i've been following Jamie for YEARS, this collab makes me so happy.

[@albaniaalban]

Here in Sweden education on trans/non-binary people is part of our MD curriculum, but it's more affirmative attitudes and the patient-doctor relationship than clinical information. Most of that research we have to do on our own, and gender-neutral language (despite Swedish fairly recently introducing a new pronoun for non-specific gender) is something most lecturers don't think about.

[@SatellitePlane]

I am a nonbinary transmasculine person from Sweden, and this video made me realize although I am 26 and should have gotten a PAP smear three years ago, it was never scheduled due to my legal papers not recognizing that I have a vagina. I didn't even know about it until this video! Made me want to send out a memo to someone in the medical field - there must be hundreds of transmen at higher risk for cancer in Sweden because they are not scheduled for these tests!

[@hyperplaguerat]

Wonderful video! I learned a lot about fertility for trans people. I appreciate both Jamie's openness and Mama Dr Jones' self awareness.

[@Xynton_]

I've been waiting for this video!!! Thanks for this Jammie, and MDJ!!

[@kiralonely1307]

Mama Doctor Jones, you're the reason I feel like the possibility of me getting a pap smear when necessary is...even existent? I'm a trans man, and I'm only 18, def not sexually active (mostly cause I got hella genital dysphoria) but I do have a gender clinician who is a gynecologist who honestly reminds me a lot of you, and if it wasn't for you, I probably wouldn'tve found that resemblance and logic and straight-to-the-point while combining bedside manners and general empathy that I see in my gender clinician. (It's also a bit of your cadence and stuff is similar, she even has slightly darker blonde hair than you haha.) I don't think people realize how vital it is to make people feel comfortable. One of the things that made me come to the conclusion that if I ABSOLUTELY NEEDED IT, I'd be able to survive getting a smear done with my clinician, it wasn't just the resemblance to the all holy Mama Doctor Jones, (lol) but also involved the fact that one of the papers i got after the fact mentioned that they did neo-vaginal care there as well. I don't need that. I (hopefully) should never need that. (If it gets injured, just make me the right one this time, lol?/hj) However I found comfort in seeing that it wasn't just for show. If it was, they usually only do pronouns and stuff, and while not all places that have gender clinics or are trans-inclusive like that are for show, there is a lingering anxiety for me, since I live in the South. (My experiences with docs have been fantastic though tbh.) So something about that reassured me. Also knowing that my trans sisters have care within the state for that is a relief. My pediatrician literally made me cry when I came out to her as trans because she was the only adult in my life to just immediately take my word for it. No "why not be a masculine woman" or "are you sure you aren't a lesbian" or "what if this is a phase" stuff, just straight forward into "Okay! What pronouns do you prefer? I'll put a note in your file so even the front desk should see it and use the right ones. Do you have a name picked out? Have you thought at all about testosterone?" And just, having someone take me seriously and not treat me like an idiot who didn't know myself, especially as I'm far from someone impulsive (my pediatrician knows this as she's been my GP since literal birth. Sad she knew this and my mum didn't) just broke me. I still get teary talking about that, 4 years later. She was the woman to react with shock and upset awe when I explained my mum wanted me to wait until I was 25 to go on HRT (I would've died by then tbh. My dysphoria is a nasty case, I started HRT at 17 and I couldn't wait longer by then.) and show any remote understanding of the topic. She wasn't and still isn't the most skilled on the topic, and that's to be expected imo seeing as she doesn't specify in this kind of care, but she has had enough trans patients, as a pediatrician, to know a lot of the basics. She even got me on testosterone before my gender clinic took over, even though she and the blood-taking-crew, like, this clearly wasn't their routine and they were just sorta knowing some of it and winging a little here and there on like how often to take blood, for example. (My poor inner elbows lol) But I'm eternally grateful. Having someone know even the basics can mean the world. I'm still understanding when my GP doesn't know more obscure gender stuff and when she may not know the specific surgeries, hell, I spend too much time looking into shit, I teach my GP and my therapist about disorders like misophonia and shit cause it's useful chatting about it, but like, her understanding the bare bones of socially transitioning is part of what made me cry. I was just heard and seen and I didn't have to explain the general concept, she had enough knowledge to just need minutia filled in, and I just... God, love you Dr. Miers. Best doc, you're like an aunt to me. One who bonks my knees and gives me candy sometimes. (Especially if I get shots or sometimes the blood nurse (i forget the title) gives me a lollipop if I get dizzy from the blood drawing. (Gotta keep the vampire stocks high.) I'mma be so sad if/when I ever have to get another doctor. Not sure I'll ever trust one as much as that woman.

[@tim-climber84]

I’m a straight CIS male and I love both of your channels. I’ve been on a journey to try and better understand the voices of people who have different experiences from myself. Thank you both so much for modeling and educating in this field. You shine a light into my blind spots and biases, and help me be a better member of society.

[@Leena79]

I'm not trans, but I am lgbtq+, and watching this video really made my heart swell. The world needs more people like you two. 💗

[@maja_mark]

Best collab of the year!!

[@jacquelynsmith2351]

Yay! MDJ and Jamie together! I never realized I wanted this video so much

[@pinotnoir4234]

I think that the transphobia trans men get is very understated. We deal with the same amount of transphobia as trans women, which includes being subjected to our reproductive rights being taken away. It's not a tiny violin, it's actually violent and sad

[@AverageCommentor]

But, I thought abortion was a woman's right?

[@mizer2667]

@@AverageCommentor Abortion is a right to anyone who can produce children, so yes, anyone biologically female, but biology and psychology are not the same, and someone's identity (which is psycho/sociological, not biological) shouldn't have to be taken into account. If a person can become pregnant, then they deserve the medical care they may need.

[@adish1401]

​@@AverageCommentor Why even use the word woman if a girl could also be pregnant? Maybe if we go that route AT LEAST say "female right" and not just "woman right"???? OHH WAIT! You just ignore a thing you dislike, and of course underage girls getting pregnant is uncomfortable for you! Guess what, the world doesn't care what you find uncomfy, it won't disappear if you close your eyes. Grow up.