Do Vegans Have Lower Bone Density and More Fractures?

[@NutritionFactsOrg]

Our previous video on this topic was Do Vegans Have Lower Bone Mineral Density and Higher Risk of Osteoporosis? Watch it at nutritionfacts.org/video/do-vegans-have-lower-bone-mineral-density-and-higher-risk-of-osteoporosis or kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4G3hIxtpNiEq9E

[@kst157]

Cover everything in ONE video PLEASE! 👍⭐️

[@matthewnateart1668]

check out the nutrition facts podcast. It combines the episodes into one. Only audio ofc.

[@WastedMemoryFailure]

Why complain when you could contribute ☀️⚡️

[@kst157]

@@WastedMemoryFailure It’s a positive & constructive comment - I think these videos are generally excellent! Why complain about someone who’s not complaining? 👍

[@WastedMemoryFailure]

@@kst157 smooth-brain response lol self-report

[@rhabdob3895]

No. Keep them short. Great video

[@Albopepper]

2:33 - Wow _under_ 525 mg per day??? I get 545 mg in my bowl of morning oatmeal! 😲

[@AR-fx2mv]

oatmeal instead of groats? 😮

[@utsukushiiseishin]

What do you add to your oatmeal? When plain, my steel cut oats only have 15 mg per 1/4 C (44g) serving (measured dry). Dried fruits? Fortified plant milk?

[@Albopepper]

@@utsukushiiseishin 1 dry cup Organic Rolled Oats, 1 1/2 cup Unsweetened Soy Milk, 1 Tbs Strawberry Powder, 2 Tbs Almond Flour, 2 Tbs Ground Flax, Frozen Blueberries + 1 cup Water 631 kcal / 15.5g fiber / 26.4g protein / 2.3g omega-3 / 5g sugar I spend an hour eating each morning while working at my PC, lol.

[@shellderp]

@@Albopepper your poor poor colon. You think supplemented calcium is absorbed?

[@cmu8271]

@@shellderp What supplemented calcium do you mean?

[@alteserien]

please let´s not forget that being Vegan does not necessarily mean eating healthy

[@lukeweaver9287]

French fries and soda pop...woohoo 😋

[@TehKaiser]

This channel is a vegan loving channel. I intentionally eat some cheese and salmon for the A+D+K2 trifecta, and some onions for the onion trace compounds.

[@Fearzero]

@@TehKaiser Saturated animal fats do raise heart disease risk.

[@charlesgrashow6420]

@@Fearzero COMPLETELY and TOTALLY false

[@shellderp]

it does necessarily mean being unhealthy though

[@VeganLinked]

Uggghhh, dreaded cliff hangers 🤣 be sure to come back and link to the next video from here after it is published! And make it one of the end cards ❤

[@chimera2116]

Vegans represented only 49 cases or 1.5% of the subjects in the study. Hard to draw a reasonable conclusion from such a small sample.

[@cmu8271]

I am vegan and I eat quite a lot of greens, but I still find it hard to reach that 600mg daily requirement of calcium.

[@tonycollyweston6182]

Try to consume a glass of nut milk a day and use Cronometer to check your levels.

[@extropiantranshuman]

@@tonycollyweston6182 nuts have some of the least calcium!

[@tonycollyweston6182]

@@extropiantranshuman I should have added 'fortified'.

[@extropiantranshuman]

that's because leafy greens tend to be low in calcium. It's sad to see dr greger give a list low in calcium - what's his source? Truth is it's leafy herbs like basil, marjoram, savory, thyme, dill, etc. and the highest food are grasses - barley grass followed by wheat and alfalfa.

[@extropiantranshuman]

@@tonycollyweston6182 why not just eat what naturally has a lot of calcium - like chia and sesame? Put sesame milk into chia pudding and add some poppy seeds on top - instant calcium load!

[@djayjp]

525mg/day is very modest considering the 1500mg/day recommendation that used to be in vogue!

[@hairynose656]

I wonder what you think about K2 to make sure the Calcium goes to the bones instead of deposited in artery's and other unwanted areas of the body? The only foods with the best form of K2 (mk7) is from fermented foods, especially natto but not all vegans eat fermented foods? I started taking a small amount 100mcg of K2 (mk7) with my vitamin D3 to be on the safe side.

[@andrewbryner2187]

He has a video on K vitamins. Short of it, your stomach is a fermentation tank that makes K2. Just eat K1 from dark green leafy veggies.

[@adiohead]

We make our own K2 in the gut from K1.

[@erastvandoren]

@@andrewbryner2187 which is bullshit

[@plantpoweredpedaller6264]

You may want to look at Dr Greger's recent Vit-K video.

[@erastvandoren]

@@plantpoweredpedaller6264 Which wasn't good, there are many other studies. Greger cherry picked a few.

[@TheXeeman]

Do weight bearing exercises for better bone health; squats are a good one. i love squats

[@fdagpigj]

And jump. Just jump.

[@xbulelo]

I wonder how many vegans in this “study” had adequate consumption of nuts & seeds as well. It may not be calcium but fatty acids.

[@linedezainde]

It's very confusing with calcium as there seems to be good sides but isn't it a problem for the heart?

[@extropiantranshuman]

calcium's only bad for the heart if it's put there with cholesterol keeping it there as well as damaging the lining with a lack of nitric oxide. It's not a problem if it doesn't get there. Here's a quote from the comment below yours: "I wonder what you think about K2 to make sure the Calcium goes to the bones instead of deposited in artery's and other unwanted areas of the body?"

[@3Unique]

Hi The video started with “….in this video and the next…” but I can’t find the next. How can I find the next. Thank you.

[@carstenaltena]

Damn, a cliffhanger!

[@AR-fx2mv]

nail biter!

[@djayjp]

Can't handle these cliffhangers! 😅

[@patkonelectric]

Cool. Now talk about muscle and skin density for vegan vs omnivore diet.

[@robertturner1308]

I am a vegan and I think most vegans do not consume enough Vitamin K2 which is a key nutrient that encourages calcium to be deposited in the bones and teeth rather than in soft tissue. The only vegan food I know of that is high in K2 is natto which I consume daily along with calcium fortified plant milk and calcium fortified OJ. Eating natto is my suggestion to end this vegan bone density issue.

[@ecogainz]

Yes, same here. There are more options like raw sauerkraut, unpasteurized kombucha, and vegan kimchi. On top of that, eating fermented foods can also boost the number of beneficial bacteria, or probiotics, in our gut.

[@ecogainz]

Vitamin K plays an important role in bone health. Low vitamin K intake, low serum vitamin K values, and high levels of ucOC are associated with risk of fracture (especially hip fracture) in observational studies.

[@KJSvitko]

Take a daily multi vitamin ?

[@AR-fx2mv]

oh he definitely advises against that

[@UTBanjo]

Before I watch… those that don't perform enough weight bearing exercise have low bone density.

[@naftalibendavid]

Correlational work…anyone want to be randomly assigned to a large salad each day or not? I don’t see any downside to leafy greens. No need to wait for someone to “put it to the test.”

[@cyberfunk3793]

"In fact, all cruciferous vegetables like kale are considered goitrogenic, including arugula, bok choy, broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, collard greens, mustard greens, turnips, and watercress."

[@lukeweaver9287]

@@cyberfunk3793 Seems nitriles are more worrisome but both would be good subject matter for a Greger video!

[@v-sig2389]

Water !!! In Belgium and France, we have "Contrex" and "Hépar" that are really high in naturally present calcium. Contrex has 468Mg/L !! A few years ago, a study showed that calcium from water is perfectly absorbed; coincidentally, contrex began to advertise their calcium content "wow, some people drink water only for hydration" "what is best about this water is what you don't see". Most waters don't have that amount, so it is necessary to check the labels. Even tap water has calcium sometimes !

[@efivos5362]

And chia seeds!!! (But please grind them!)

[@Fearzero]

Soak in coconut water. No grinding needed.

[@efivos5362]

@@Fearzero No. you need to grind first because the kernel is not digested otherwise. Since chia has lots of fat and carbs compared to protein, it needs to be chewed properly, which is not possible if not ground.

[@Fearzero]

@@efivos5362 My teeth grind finely!

[@efivos5362]

@@Fearzero Congratulations!

[@thayne559]

Why not spinach??? That's my number one green

[@Salamander407]

Lol. No mustache, looking good my friend!!

[@chaos98GTVS]

can't wait to see the next video, it's such a cliffhanger!

[@eziocutarelli678]

great content

[@extropiantranshuman]

barley grass powder has the most calcium of any food. The ones mentioned pale in comparison.

[@extropiantranshuman]

I eat it daily. Why does no vegan talk about this when they bring up calcium? This is why I believe vegans have higher fracture risks. Until we discuss barley grass wen we have calcium discussions we're going to get nowhere.

[@extropiantranshuman]

other foods high in calcium are wheatgrqass, alfalfa grass, and dried basil.

[@AndrewPawley11]

I love this channel!

[@shellderp]

Yes

[@thenunujournals]

The best and more efficient sources are fermented tofu and tahini

[@andreawisner7358]

My parents ate lots of ice cream (and meat) and their bones were hard as hell despite all their falls. I'm vegan and apparently my bone density is already shit.

[@gerossavijautosvirtuve]

solution: chi kung and tai chi

[@reality_design]

BRING BACK THE BEARD 😭❤️😭❤️😭

[@movement2contact]

Shaved off like 20 years with that beard... 😲 👶👍

[@nomadawg]

But he looks better with the beard in my opinion

[@Slurkz]

@@nomadawg Although a totally irrelevant subject, I agree 😊 And I think he actually looks younger *with* ‘that’ beard. Even more irrelevant 😆

[@i.c.y.]

Right?

[@Charlie-502]

Bring back the beard

[@XeLYoutube]

Plant based diet is best move of my life bar none. Cheaper helthier, ethical, win win win.. delicious! just drown it in sriracha :D

[@redakye]

I CAN'T WAIT

[@VeganLinked]

I liked the beard tho, but love Dr G so all good. Don't want you to look like Ivor, eeeewwww

[@roligbarn]

So supplement Vitamin D and do some squats

[@viamem6933]

Bueno, si hablamos de calcio nada mejor que el ajonjolí.

[@auikerngesund5624]

danke fürs Übersetzen

[@extropiantranshuman]

any thoughts on creating a video on cyanide in certain foods? Like in flaxseeds? I mean there's a cancer reduction with cyanide but not until it tries to kill you first!

[@NutritionFactsOrg]

Hi, hawaiisunfun! Cyanide in flaxseeds has been covered in several videos, such as this one: nutritionfacts.org/video/friday-favorites-how-well-does-cooking-destroy-the-cyanide-in-flax-seeds-and-should-we-be-concerned-about-it/ You can find everything on our site related to flaxseeds here: nutritionfacts.org/topics/flax-seeds/ I hope that helps! -Christine Kestner, MS, CNS, LDN, NutritionFacts.org Health Support Volunteer

[@eltipo7424]

geniooo greger!!!!

[@erastvandoren]

Do vegans look older? Dr. Greger doesn't look good today. 🤔

[@wifi2166]

bruh the jab at obese people got me laughing my ass off

[@jstock2317]

If it's not calcium or vit D, then the other factor in the next video is probably vit K!

[@cicciomattese]

NO. The real other factor Is very higher prevalance than being underweight in vegans cause many vegans, specially women, have eating disorder

[@Fearzero]

My bone density is fine. It's the gas, pain, and bloating from eating beans, grains, apples, broccoli, watermelon, cabbage, onions etc that I have an issue with.

[@UTBanjo]

How long have you been on it? Those things went away pretty fast for me. Except cruciferous vegetables. I hate the sulfurous gas cabbage/broccoli/cauliflower gives me.

[@Fearzero]

@@UTBanjo 21 long years. Finally got a SIBO test. Positive for methane and hydrogen. But Dr Greger says they are nonsense and to just eat more fiber lol. If I eat more fiber I'm going to turn into a stalk of friggin broccoli.

[@LM2023.]

Yes. Vegan for 6 years and great health hear, but the gas 😷😷😷

[@Fearzero]

@Rosza Jo I haven't but as I understand there's a lack of solid science around this stuff so I am going to try the SIBO treatments and see what happens. I'll make a note of that book though. Thanks for the reference.

[@Fearzero]

@Rosza Jo BTW my microbiome tested at 86 percent for strength and 95 percent for bacteria diversity so its not a microbiome problem it seems.

[@maximus6884]

this vidoe doesnt make sense. Just an unethical video attacking vegans. You dont mention who funded those research!

[@jeanneamato8278]

Dun dun duuuun

[@veganninja5886]

This video really didnt tell me anything. Clickbait.

[@AR-fx2mv]

it's part 1 of 2

[@widget0028]

Do all vegans have freaking gopher eyes? Geez

[@Itsyouactually]

Just had this convo with mom’ Rheumatologist. Limited studies on the effect of supplemental treatment for ESRD dialysis patients with low bone density. Even more so there’s no viable treatment at all 😮 Diet always reins true 🥬

[@charlesgrashow6420]

The good doctor doesn't appear to be aging well Why doesn't he take and post his recent blood work results His recent DEXA scan results His recent CAC score It would be extremely interesting or is afraid of what they would show