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Games Workshop announces their yearly price hike. They say it's about inflation, but is it really?
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[@stephenwinson4302]

It’s not just raising the price on plastic, it’s constantly reducing the points so you have to buy more plastic in order to keep playing. I have multiple armies that were well over 2000 points for all of 9th ed that dropped well below 1500 points in 10th ed.

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Good point. I noticed that my 2k army in 8th and 9th is now only about 1500 in 10th.

[@ShonuffCor]

I am a SEVERE pusher of One Page Games...at my local game store and in Discords. I am working on getting my shop to become an official OPR game store.. I am painting multiple warbands to leave at the store to play OPR.. for demos. I agree, i am finished with GW.

[@LexYeen]

you're a goddamn hero of the hobby, you are.

[@Coldstar86]

You can only squeeze the tube of consumer paste so much before you have to turn it inside out and scrap the residue.

[@kurtl8425]

But people have been saying that for 30 years.

[@SquareTableUnion]

With GW, I have an out-of-date 9th Addition Recruitment Box and an out-of-date Termagants box for $90. I've been a Tier 2 Member of OPR since I think around November and I basically have two full armies.

[@dionisiosmarinos4285]

A detail I don't see mentioned too often is that for OPR you can easily just play with paper miniatures if you like and if you want to invest and BUY miniatures, not with your own 3d printer but from online for less than GW you get almos double the points along with upgrades

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

That's a good point. There's a low bar to entry, not so with many other games.

[@lamMeTV]

What a chad move to s tay on the mailing list. Its like following the profile of an ex to thank god every day that you are outta that shit. Both abusive too!

[@countcroak2640]

I'm really glad you pointed out the fomo aspect of that last sentence because that immediately came to mind when I read it. Hopefully more people will see this whole thing for what it is and explore other table top games like OPR.

[@haxan6663]

I love GWs models but buy most of mine second hand. I have some pretty ancient models, which I can use in OPR or any other mini agnostic game. I still play Warcry and Kill Team 2018 rules (because you only needed one rule book and you could customise your team without being told what to have).

[@V0IV0DE]

GW discovered the real "philosopher stone", but instead of lead, it's plastic into gold.

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Lolz

[@jonahkattau1128]

My Dad is the one I would play with the most and although he has never been able to learn his own armies he refuses to play a game that is more simple.

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

To each their own.

[@jonahkattau1128]

Hey fair enough. I have a couple of guys at work who are interested and we all have Fridays off so I will get the chance to play.

[@robertsvallin3500]

This email on price updates caused me to write a long response to their info address on how they need to change. They are out of touch with their community. I don’t expect them to read it, but at least I got to write my thoughts and send them off….

[@roshee5573]

Thanks for mentioning Australia but I have found that apart from RPGs and Magic , most TTGs are dying slowly. With the constant codex creep plus the price hikes , I gave up on GW years ago and I’m a “grey beard “, from this beginning back in the ‘80s 😢

[@Corvinuswargaming1444]

I was priced out of playing and buying GW miniatures probably for good the past few years. At my local game store anecdotally I have seen the same box sets from GW on the shelves for months and months. The only new stuff is some Old World books, but no miniatures. In comparison, I mainly buy white metal historical figures now (much more expensive material) and can buy more figures for the same price point as GW. The only people defending the prices are the people totally addicted to the miniatures, which is sadly a lot of the community.

[@kevinfogle7929]

A curious business decision on GW's part, considering everything else going on with their brand.

[@WarbossFitz]

Well said! This messaging on the price rises feels predatory in this economy. They know they can milk their captive audience for every cent that they can. 3d printing is the future. Instead of $20 per mini you can have the same thing in a few hours for pennies.

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

$20 per mini vs. $20 per month for a Tribe or Patreon subscription of unlimited minis

[@umbraelegios4130]

Table Top Time crew runs a gaming store in Australia they recently talked about how high prices are for GW. Plus they can't get some of the GW/ Forge World products there. They find it frustrating.

[@ShaunyBoy11]

I can't believe GW is still afloat in Australia with the blown up prices we get lumped with.

[@w0197]

War Fleets is entirely free. Rules are free. You can download a PDF of the ships (drivethrurpg) and print the images of the ships. AND that same PDF has terrain for free. All you need is a table lol FREE!!

[@waterpyrog13]

Engagement to increase the spread!

[@user-iu6kh4sb9b]

I am really going to try OPR, and after I figure out the rule, I will design models and try to sell them! GW price is outrageous~

[@MajorSquiggles]

You can still play Warhammer even if you don't buy GW minis. Warhammer is model agnostic outside of competitive tournaments, and lets face it who here is actually trying to place in GTs? As far as bringing armies to the store nobody is going to complain if your models aren't even fully assembled. There are third party apps that will let you build your armies better than the official app, and Wahapedia gives you all the rules and supplements in the game for free. While I'm not saying OPR isn't a good alternative, you also don't need to give up on Warhammer entirely as a game if that's your jam. You can buy OPR minis and play Warhammer. The main difference is OPR rules are officially provided for free so there is no reliance on third parties, and their army builder is the best in the business. Grimdark Future also uses alternating activations which Warhammer still refuses to catch up and use even though their skirmish games use it.

[@davidmesh5491]

Yeah a lot of people are using 3d printed minis in my meta and even I use a 3d printed callidius that was gifted as a Christmas gift from a friend with a printer he gave a lot of people callidius assassins

[@MajorSquiggles]

@@davidmesh5491 If only OPR had a range of Tau minis. I think Eternal Dynasty is sort of Tau adjacent but it's not exactly what I want.

[@thebigskip-e]

@@MajorSquiggles I think they made a faction called DAO Union that is way closer to Tau. Eternal Dynasty feels like it's own thing with minor Tau elements, but DAO has a lot of 1 to 1 counterparts.

[@MajorSquiggles]

@@thebigskip-e yes but they don't have any models for them. The issue is with GW models not so much the game. I know there are other proxies out there but none that OPR offers.

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

That's a good point. I played a couple Old World games using my new dwarves.

[@Christian_from_Copenhagen]

I'm the terrain guy and host for a group of four, and while we've played some combat patrol, we've enjoyed ourselves much more with GFF, and I'm really hoping we can keep going in that direction with GF proper. I like GW's models, but I primarily buy them secondhand and I just don't want to buy instantly outdated rulebooks that support wasteful and anti-consumer business practices. I really want to get some of the Jackal models someday too, they look great. Another option I'm considering a lot as well is the Deadzone starter set with two factions, great terrain and a complete ruleset for a really good price. There are tons of player-friendly choices out there!

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Terrain guys are worth their weight in gold. In my opinion, good terrain can make or break a table more than the models can. Good luck with your group. I hope you guys have years of good gaming ahead of you.

[@thedourkin]

It’s not just that they raise prices annually, many companies do that, the insult to GW customers is that they continually raise prices throughout the year too.

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

That and they try to pretend that it's against their will, or that they have no choice while maintaining such high margins.

[@PsiBurr]

..even rougher for the us peeps in NZ..joys of living at the end of the logistics chain I suppose!

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Yikes! I had hope NZ was a part of the Australia circle for shipping. I guess not.

[@thomaspetersen4105]

I had to look what the core operating margin really means: About 10% is average 20% is good 30% is a very high margin

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Yep.

[@Duo_20]

Wow... more reasons to 3d print

[@Mech_B0i-MK69]

It was aggravating to read "Warhammer inst immune to that trend" 😤

[@alphanerdgames9417]

It’s a reverse sale

[@SumsieBun]

The problem with OPR is it actively punishes my preferred play style. The largest game size caps at 40 models and I’m a 140-180 model a game player. It look okay but it will only appeal to a couple types of players

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Caps? Play as big as you want. I find 3000+ points is about the size of a normal 2000 pt. game of 40k. And I've even done 10k points as an apocalypse style game and it was still over in 4 hours.

[@SumsieBun]

@@Good.Nuff.Gaming don’t the rules say 18-40 models? It’s on the front page of their website

[@lexington476]

Been boycotting since 2003 😎.

[@powellhall9794]

😎👍

[@diegorodriguez8355]

Literal i have been waiting to buy a callidus assasein literal years, and they never have stock, and now they are raising price, for a product they dont have stock. This is incrible.

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Check out MyMiniFactory. There are some really nice alternatives

[@davidmesh5491]

A lot of people are trying OPR in my community and are like it's okay for more simpler quick games but would rather play 40k that said people are going to be 3d printing their armies these days and using battle scribe and wahapedia for rules and list building only paying attention to the balance data slate and munitorum field manual for updates regarding points and nerfs etc.

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Have you tried larger scale? Play a 5k point game of OPR and it will feel as "full" - at least it did for me

[@davidmesh5491]

@@Good.Nuff.Gaming Im not a big fan of simpler wargames i am a fan of deeper ones. My favorite edition of 40k was ninth and i prefer Classic Battletech to Alpha Strike.

[@joejoe4601]

Currently in the process of building up a stable OPR group to bring more disenfranchised hobbyists on board. Hobbys should feel good and fun, not make you wonder if you can afford another price hike or book release.

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Seriously. Hobbies are about enjoyment and shouldn't feel like a financial burden just to keep pace.

[@stephen_english]

Scummy company, scummy business practices. Old fantasy battle player, swore i would never be back after they killed it. Got too excited about return of the old world. Already sorry i got sucked in again...

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Have you tried Regiments? Kings of War? Conquest?

[@juhanikallio7492]

Honestly I don't understand why people still keep buying stuff from GW.. I remember buying fire warriors for around 30e, now they are 40e. Got to work extra shifts so i can buy that 3d printer.

[@El-Rico]

I just buy what I like but I do not play Warhammer. I have been buying discontinued models off ebay, but they are not cheaper, unfortunately...

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

I've always thought GW has great models, I just don't like how much they charge for them, or what they've done with elements of the ruleset.

[@ottonormal3354]

Funny how the resin for my 3D printer keeps getting cheaper and holding its price. :)

[@nativezero]

been looking at the idea of buying OPR minis as you get a lot for you money and I don't have a 3d printer but I have really wanted Adeptus Mechanicus and can't see a similar 3d printer army version currently. I have no plans to play warhammer rules et due to cost, but bought a space wolf and ork army I am currently painting to play with OPR, but now would like to move away from WH minis.

[@legatus_newt]

People like the setting and lore GW created and for that you kind of have to pay a premium because they are ruthless at defending their IP. If you're like me and think the Warhammer setting is the worst part of the wargaming hobby then leaving GW behind isn't that hard. I have fun with homebrew settings / stories similar to how my friends and I do table top RPGs.

[@nativezero]

@@legatus_newt I do like the lore a lot in warhmmmer world but I am hoping OPR lore will be good enough for me move away from GW. Init just stated buying GW minis, but been a fan of warhammer for ages, playing pc games and now progresse onto the ttg. Just the business practice and cost of GW that really puts me off.

[@davidmesh5491]

If you don't want to pay for rules wahapedia and battle scribe are your friends

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Check out My Mini Factory to see what STLs are out there, and then check Etsy for a seller. That's how I found my dwarves (and another project that is currently in process). Heck, I've even found buying 3D prints from overseas to be cheaper than GW at my local store.

[@nativezero]

@@Good.Nuff.Gaming thank for this will give that a go

[@ericdavis4964]

Is it just me or is there a trend within GW that the new box sets they release either contain the same amount of models at a higher price point compared to last year or they release a new box set with fewer models but keep last years price point. This is the type of price hike they do not ever acknowledge or mention.

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Go back and check the Black Templar box - 12 models for the full price.

[@ericdavis4964]

​@@Good.Nuff.Gaming I was not able to find older prices or box sets for Black Templars.

[@ericdavis4964]

This is what I found on GWs Website for the USA Primaris Crusader Squad $60.00 for 10 miniatures = $6.00 a miniature Weight of box: 6 ounces Black Templars Sword Brethren $60.00 for 5 miniatures = $12.00 a miniature Weight of Box: 6.9 ounces Looking at sprues for both box sets. The thing that stands out to me is the fact that the Sword Breathern have more capes in the box set. The other notable difference is that the Crusader squad has 2 unique sprue sets vs the Sword Breathen 3 unique sprue sets. There is an extra cost there as far as initial design and creation of the molds and you could argue that there is some additional cost in production and that because the box per Amazon weighs .9 ounces heavier then the cost is justified for 5 miniatures vs 10 miniatures. That might be the justification GW is using to charge the same amount per box for 2 different quantities of miniatures while using a simple pricing structure. I could make the argument that GW could have gotten 10 miniatures in both boxes within a similar weight and cost if there were minor changes to the sprue design. I could also make the argument that GW could have charged slightly more to get 10 miniatures in the box set for the Sword Breathern. Oh and before anyone makes the argument about you only need X per the rules. GW is in the business to make miniatures, rules have always been and will always be a instrument to sell those models. To put it another way, GW could have made the rules and points for the Sword Brothers to require 10 miniatures vs 5 miniatures or however the Codex calls them out. To conclude the only way I can see the pricing make sense from a manufacturing perspective is that there was an upfront cost for an additional unique sprue and there is additional weight in the box. This however could have been addressed from a manufacturing and design standpoint in determining ahead of time that only X amounts of unique sprues can be included in the design and production of any box set to keep costs at a fixed rate.

[@ericdavis4964]

Both Black Templar box sets on GWs website costs $60.00 and are 7 ounces or less per box. One contains 10 miniatures and one contains 5 miniatures.

[@jb1139]

At what point do players call them and stop buying? This is essentially highway robbery. I don't see how any new players can come in or current players stay up to date. The costs have not gone up for them more than a fraction of a percent if that. I'm sorry. Put out the unadulterated spread sheets and let us judge for ourselves. Srsly, core units are one the verge of costing 80-100 bucks a box. At those prices, you are making a killing. This is why I look more and more at stl miniature armies. The printer is a one time buy in. You have it forever. You buy army stls for 40-80 bucks +/- 20. 40$ of resin can print at least a full army, sometimes multiple. All things roughly ballparked printing your own army beats 80$x3 for 3 core unit boxes sans all the other models you have to buy to complete your army from GW. Eventually, Warhammer will crash, I can't see how it doesn't.

[@Corvinuswargaming1444]

Players cycle in and out of Warhammer, the company doesn’t care about sustaining long term customers

[@jb1139]

@@Corvinuswargaming1444 and if now one can afford the buy in? No new players and leaving players ---> ?

[@grunertee1231]

I just bought a box of 5, in words five, fenrisian wolves at a local hobby store. I paid 30€ for the box, the original price was 32,50€. I will use them in OPR AoF as zombie wolves, but 32,50€ for a box of 5 models? 5 models whose combat value is more than questionable and which can quickly disappear from the table? I have a Stormbringer subscription for AoS models. If they weren't so cheap that you pay just under half the price of GW, I wouldn't have done it. The models themselves are good, there's nothing to complain about, but these will probably be the last models from GW. I last bought from Mantic Kings of War anyway, they also have nice models and aren't as bulky as the GW models these days.

[@zenpo6322]

Oh well thats why yall should have got 3d printers and educated yourselves. Me and our other 63 players havent needed GW or Hobby shops for 5 years and we print GW models and update 40k ourselves and its been infinitely better. Cant afford 3d printer? Why are you playing 40k? Any decent army size "would have been" around 500$ the price of a 3d printer with resin lol. Kill team? Whats that? Jk i hate KT. Printing gives models upgrades personalized armies and kick ass scenery. We got a guy who took the lore stuff so seriously he repainted 1 of his armies and has a Rainbow themed corpes on his bases almost under every model and he personalized them all after Karens with glasses the works.. do i think thats extreme.. kinda yeah but he was very upset but we all laughed even our (insert 3 letter word here) players laughed intensely though.. 😅 just take it into your own hands we did 40k is ours.

[@Good.Nuff.Gaming]

Good point. If you've bought a GW army you've spent enough for a 3D printer.

[@akadelnith]

Lol, absolutely agree. Subscribe so I know why I don't support them

[@paytreonsuhks]

OPR is kinda meh, there's so many other games out there, people really need to talk about the huge variety of stuff that's not warhammer and OPR

[@LexYeen]

I'll take meh and reasonably priced over being put into the money extraction engine.

[@YeAuldGrump]

Meh, and better balanced than GW. Honestly, it is worth the buy in for the alternating activations. (Given that the buy in is free if you already have the minis... that isn't hard. :P )

[@joejoe4601]

OPR is great. Sorry it's not up your alley, hope you are able to find those wargames that really make your hobby fun for you in the same way OPR is fun for others.

Yes, exactly! Its really tiresome to hear people praise the Mac & Cheese of wargaming to high heavens. 🙄

[@alexklunder4374]

I saw Warsurge that looks interesting. But I love opr cuz there is not as much crunch I don't want too much crunch lol warsurge looks cool though.