Do you still listen to Lostprophets?

Bit dark this one...

[@zyxaqc]

I have this really rare, almost superhuman ability that helps me in situations like this. It's called being able to separate art from artist. If I stopped listening to any music from anyone who did something bad, my house would be silent.

[@dragonninja420]

Exactly Enjoy the music for what it is music

[@ThomK30]

Thankfully it's not too unique, But far too uncommon as well

[@maJastoL]

Exactly, I've heard people say they can't listen to guns n roses because "Axl Rose was an utter wanker". No one's asking you to be his friend.

[@gobblegobble831]

I listen to burzum and the smiths and all manner of "problematic" artists and I don't think I could ever consciously enjoy a lostprophets song. Separation of art from artist is applicable when they harbor a thought or opinion that doesn't align with yours, but "the singer literally had sex with a baby" goes way beyond that lol

[@MoonshineH]

I honestly can’t.

[@deadeyedmillennialmedia]

I worked street teams for Fake Sound of Progress, handing out Shinobi vs Dragon Ninja discs, followed the band through their entire career. Big blow to the head and the heart to find out about Ian. That being said, Start Something is a stone cold masterpiece and it will never leave my lists.

[@PWNSdaily]

I feel for the other members of the band. Lost Prophets had some amazing songs but their legacy is forever tarnished because of one member.

[@rankrodent2772]

I feel even worse for Ian himself, poor guy

[@artisticaquarius_]

@@rankrodent2772 Why do you feel sorry for a serial child r&pist?

[@Mxulin]

hell no who could feel bad for that guy?@@rankrodent2772

[@ryane6545]

I struggle with this constantly as they were a huge part of my musical life in my teens. I have so much nostalgia from their music. Their first 2 albums honestly blew my mind at the time and I still can’t help but love those albums. However, there is still a part of me that feels like everything is tainted when I listen to them now and I actually feel guilty when I’m jamming out to them. It’s just a really weird/awkward thing after the vile and absolutely disgusting things (that I won’t even mention his gross name) did.

[@jaya.d-gauthier1644]

I’m glad I found this vid I feel the same way I heard them when I was 12. I’ll never not love the music but I just can’t really enjoy it. I only found out what happened on KZbin because I wanted to listen to them for nostalgia 😩

[@ThaSpeedsterZ]

🙄

[@nathanelwilliam3609]

Move on. Even the past members of lostprophets claimed their music is ‘tainted’. Their music now is just as cringy as r.Kelly’s

[@vah1761]

Stop worshipping false idols and you won't feel like it's such a "loss" when they f**k up royally!!!! 🙄

[@GoatThroatGoblin]

IAN WATKINS

[@A7XKoRnRocks1]

I grew up on LostProphets, it was a part of my teenage years, I just can't help it. F Ian Watkins.

[@Riimachan]

For many alt kids in the 00's their music meant a lot to us. Obviously it feels different listening to them now cause Ian's an unforgivable POS, but you should never forget the music that made your most developing years bearable. Also, the black and white haters who absolutely hate and shame people listening to Lostprophets shouldn't forget that there were 4-5 other members in the band who did nothing wrong💀 Their talents shouldn't go unmet

[@stover14]

The music is terrible lol and calling yourself an alt kid when you're fully grown is cringe

[@bandname]

@@stover14 Haha. Seriously these people are the epitome of unintelligent fools.

[@skorpoolr]

@@bandname Unintelligent? I get that it’s mediocre 2000s music, but it’s not Travis Scott, Lil mosey, Lil pump or any of the other mumble, “rappers” that plague music as of late; at least their music is somewhat interesting, and they have Half a braincell. As for mumble rapping… trash like that is a disgrace to music.

[@cokefacegrind]

@@skorpoolr you're comparing today's mumble rappers to Lost Pedophiles? Lol. Music has certainly evolved for the worst. I personally find it amazing that Travis Scott has gotten away with murdering his fans and is continuing to play shows and make music

[@skorpoolr]

@@cokefacegrind I’m saying they’re better (music wise) than people like Travis Scott, I agree that music has devolved into garbage. Sorry if it seemed like I thought otherwise!

[@IGNSolar7]

This is a strange video to pop up. Thanks, KZbin algorithm. Lostprophets was my favorite band in my teens. They filmed the Fake Sound of Progress music video where I live. Their concert here in Vegas at the Huntridge is something a lot people remember, and is one of my favorite concert memories of all time. Shinobi vs. Dragon Ninja led into people doing a wall off death, something so wild I lost my shoes. I have pictures of Ian and I, he tossed me a water bottle I desperately needed, and signed it later. I was a teenager, and who could imagine what was to come? I went to every concert I possibly could. I met a girl that I dated for a good amount of time at a show they did here. For a while, I planned to get a tattoo of the Phoenix logo from Start Something. I chickened out, but randomly, a friend I met in college actually had put it on his hip. We both loved the band. Now, he has a reminder of someone abhorrent. He's one of my better friends still, but he can't wipe that off. No Devotion meant a lot to me. I wanted those guys to get away from the trauma. I have their records framed on my wall, and they'll always be important. They'll stay with me all the time.

[@cheeseburgeralpha7601]

About that tossed water bottle, was it in Rock Am Ring '04?

[@homelander7694]

Holyshitman, awesome story, just remember that you would never agree with any of the things Ian did wrong, you guys were just fans and commited no sin

[@Mariooo57]

Even though the music is now complementing Geoff Rickly's words instead of Ian, listening to No Devotion has felt so... cathartic over the past 9 years. Grateful that the few of them who are still in the music industry have been able to continue to create out of so much pain.

[@mondoprime]

Lol good stuff! I've never been into lostprophets but I feel for all the fans who were let down by Ian Watkins. In my opinion, if you're still able to enjoy the music, you go right ahead and listen to it and don't let people tell you otherwise. That music meant something to you at some point in your life and it belongs to you now.

[@JonnyFiveAlive144]

I know this is late, but good stuff! I agree, I was a fan and we hate it, but the music as it was is part of us now.

[@paulwoodburn4474]

Amazing band i still listen to them , one mans actions doesnt change what the other members created

[@Ralphensteins]

No spotify…

[@Beavisofficial]

i find it hypocritical that people still listen to mj and rkelly etc but draw the line at lostprophets. he was arguably worse than them, but still. theyre all depraved people

[@prodigalsin6621]

I used to chat regularly with Chiplin (the drummer) at the pontypridd municipal arts centre where they held gigs every friday. At this point he had left the band due to Ian's change of attitude through the fame they accrued and didnt have a good word to say about him towards the end. The group I hung around with all loved the first two albums but the music was drifting more towards the mainstream, looking back it was probably to get more young girls to the show, it seems like a stretch to say that but knowing the extent of that mans depravity, I reckon in the end, everything was done to further his perverted ways and Chiplin wanted no part of it or the low energy anthemic slop that they started putting out. It was quickly becoming the Ian Watkins show. For all the good memories we shared with those albums, I still hope that man suffers endlessly in his cell. All that being said, I was banging out shinobi vs dragon ninja this morning. Once the art is out there it's the peoples and good music is good music, but damn does it make me question if I should even listen to it. The very definition of a guilty pleasure I suppose.

[@sailormoonfan4lifemusicism99]

I still listening to them and I never regret for listening them.

[@zaccorpseman7366]

Band carried basically all of my teenage year memories and ended up in a fiery wreck, it died with that colourful and vivid 2000s.. Like many others I don't simply just miss the band, I also miss that timeline when the days were better. When lyrics had meanings, not full of autotune/ cheap writings followed by endless drama. Songs were exciting, those days felt like a never ending summer party night... Absolutely killed me that one man ruined so much, for so many. But he is now also on his way to rot in jail, people should leave their music alone

[@arianatheyoutuber7895]

Dude, well said man. I think about this all the time. I actually used to feel the music and songs. When you listen to LP or any other band from that era it gets you all in the feels.

[@TheNeverists666]

I mean, lost prophets were part of the whole emo/punk scene but, my chemical romance defined that era and Gerard way is a nice guy so its all good.

[@Sergei_Bashkintcev]

Listened them yesterday, one of my favourite band.

[@eatass5627]

I listen to them Music bigger than a person

[@santiagogustavoo]

Lostprophets is still dope to me. I feel very sorry for the members, especially Stuart Richardson (the bassist that beat the shit out of Ian after he didn't attempt one of their last shows). No Devotion just doesn't have that raw, distinctive energy that the prophets used to have, they should reform the band with a new singer and de-stigmatize the name.

[@LuannOsbourne]

Nah, thats not going to happen. The remaining members are aged approx. 45+

[@jax422]

I don’t feel sorry for them whatsoever. They are disgusting. They knew what he was doing and did nothing about it. They may deny knowing, but Ian’s ex that spent 4 years going to police, reporting him multiple times, and collecting evidence said they knew and I tend to believe her over anyone else. Would you expect them to admit it?

[@lazybones69]

I find it impossible to believe his bandmates didn't know he was a sub human pile of garbage. They knew all about every other degrading shit he was doing, claimed they kept an eye on him, but let it continue because they knew the band would not have the same appeal without Watkins. It's Jimmy fucking Saville all over again, he was allowed to continue because he was profitable. His bandmates fucking knew!

[@maaaaaap]

@@jax422 you may believe her, others may believe the band members, if there's no evidence, you are not any better. maybe they knew he had done something but not realized the full extent of it, kinda hard to believe that 5 random dudes would all be fine with their singer raping babies, dont you think?

[@jax422]

@@maaaaaap Everything else she said was true. Why would she lie about this one thing? We also don’t know what evidence she had. I also don’t think the band was “fine” with it, but I don’t thing they did anything about it. They same way they knew he was doing hard drugs, they weren’t ok with it, but they didn’t do anything about that either. They could have turned him in. Forced him to go to rehab. Instead they just yelled at him for being late to shows. They cared more about their careers and income than what he was doing and the harm he was causing. They also had access to his laptop. A laptop that’s password was “irapekidz”. The evidence is right in front of your face.

[@D3v1LIAM]

It’s very shitty what Ian did but I do enjoy lostprophets music. It was more than just the singer that made their music

[@Saber7ooth]

With you dude, have all albums, one of my fav bands ever, I can definitely separate things. Songs are incredible, some of the best I've heard within the genre. I dont follow bands because I agree with each member's lifestyle or options or.. criminal offenses.. I follow and listen to them because of their music, period.

[@Oldstockz]

Hey man. This is pretty much how I think the sentiment should be. Ian, welp, the guy lost his marbles. I can't imagine how the other members really dealt with this. They were so big, Ian went away thinking he was untouchable, and the band literally got wiped from the entire world. I often got told I was supporting something horrible liking this band. Man, it sucks. I always loved this band. Fuck Ian and his shite decisions, but man, what cool music it was and man does it take me back to all the awesome moments listening to them.

[@noctem1238]

I still listen to them to this day, as you stated at the end, everyone still listens to Michael Jackson 🤷‍♂️

[@michaelsukut5506]

Elvis too

[@Itbecause]

@@michaelsukut5506 Elvis is different, but he's definitely worse

[@rankrodent2772]

Michael was a great person

[@TheGamingPizzaRoll]

I still listen to Lostprophets too it’s upsetting what Ian did but his band shouldn’t be judged because of what he did

[@Giratina1999]

I love the music, I hate Watkins for a lifetime

[@oscarandriel]

I just found 'Start Something' in an old CD shop, it was a lovely discovery.

[@hectordelgado4496]

Still listening and keep doing it until The day I die :')

[@elihopper1655]

Yes. I love lostprophets.

[@alexledine5083]

Me too! Just feel a bit weird listening to them now...

[@ckdyd]

@@alexledine5083 Feels gud

[@IIOver9000]

A town called hypocrisy video is terrible to watch now tho ._. foreshadowing like a mofo

[@happyears21694]

He was a drummer before when he was in Public Disturbance.

[@ravnexx8354]

In 1:20 you put all my thoughts I have had since 2019 when I met this incredible band!

[@ravnexx8354]

No one will stop me from listening to them and I don't feel guilty.

[@jimbowen7092]

I remember someone mocking me for watching Radiohead on the main stage at Reading Festival 2009. He and his friends had been to watch Lost Prophets 😂

[@dennisreynolds9202]

I list to it..they have 4 song I like..been waiting to see them put some more albums out.

[@Noctisx]

2022 AND STILL LISTEN LOSTPROPHETS SINCE 2010, what a band, a shame what Ian do, but stills a great band for me!

[@jaya.d-gauthier1644]

I got into them in 2003/4ish when I was like 12 year olds and only heard this story when I searched the band on KZbin to listen for old times sake. I feel very weird listening to it now idk. Maybe having loved them as a kid all the way in Texas? Or because Ian wrote a lot of it? Who knows.

[@eosnixon]

Since 2000, Lostprophets has been my favorite band ever

[@ThatGuySarabia]

I first heard of Lostprophet's song called Rooftops as a kid when i first heard their song on one of those old Halo 2 videos. I didn't know the name of the bands at the time

[@ggates5371]

…..but they were soooo damn good though

[@reflex_scopes419]

I'm still gonna listen to it, idfc.

[@callytheblueparakeet]

I must have been living under a rock, I don’t remember reading about this. When I listen to their songs now I sense I’ll struggle to make a conceptual divorce with my love of their music and the knowledge of what that creature did.

[@TheGamingPizzaRoll]

Don’t hate the band, Hate the singer

[@DistantHorn]

That was gold !..

[@MarquisVonMonster]

It sucks too. I got curious and watched a video on the court report of Watkins crimes and immediately went to see if Shinobi vs Dragon Ninja was available on Spotify. That album was a legit jam when I was a teen.

[@g.ra.6829]

Love that guy at the end, and his outfit. Must have been purchased from Jimmy Saville Rowe

[@testocore5607]

No Devotion should re-record the greatest hits of Lostprophets

[@rickyrendon9822]

I still listen to them from time to time. Start Something was a very big album for me growing up around that time. Im my journey into hard rock/metal. I learned to separate the art from the artist. What Ian did is truly horrifying and disgusting. But the band as a whole were still very talented. And i still enjoy hearing them again from time to time.

[@martinmemphisrichter]

They‘re music is soo good, I‘m not gonna cancel that..

[@Msaahcore]

thank you!

[@alexledine5083]

You're welcome!

[@Rob_Cary]

Recently, I've gone back to Start Something. It's been well over a decade. It's one of the best albums of all time and was so important to me. I do feel like I'm doing something wrong sometimes. The rest of their albums I can let go. The ones after start something weren't even really very good honestly and they did end up kinda being complete and total sellouts chasing the buck with album #3. Start Something though....it's tough. We Still Kill the Old Way, Burn Burn, A Million Miles...it's just really sad. I saw them live for the first time shortly before all that went down and something definately did seem off with him. A noticable disconnect between him and the other members....

[@dragonninja420]

I’ve got a 1996 Fleshbind song on my channel

[@JonnyFiveAlive144]

Been a fan since 05 and Just so everyone knows.. The only right answer is who fking cares? The pos is serving time, the bands moved on, the music is nostalgic, listen all you want.

[@sincerelyj2361]

Dude Savox put me onto him. Even tho Ian Watkins is a POS. Can’t act like “Rooftops”, “Last Train Home”, and “A Town Called Hypocrisy” aren’t bangers!

[@alexledine5083]

They are tbf. Just always feel a bit weird listening to them now. I'm on both sides of the argument.

[@sevenocram]

Great band, managed to produce 5 great albuns all quite diferent from each other. But Ian messed up a lot but the músic is good

[@stover14]

Messed up? Wtf

[@bandname]

It's not messing up when it's an intentional action.

[@kyledavid9415]

I don't care what goes on behind the scenes. If a song sounds good, it's good and that's it

[@wedkarskifreestyle]

The Band this is not only vocalist...

[@jigan001]

Hell yeah I still listen to them cuz the music kicks ass

[@pakoj68]

I still blast my LostProphets CDs. LostProphets music reminds me of my late high school days and early adulthood years. Also reminds me of my good friend who has since passed away. This friend was the first person I came across that loved their music as much as I did.

[@happyears21694]

I still have "The Betrayed" and "Start Something".

[@susieschrum9310]

I'm sorry for your loss. I guess the music is a sign your friend is always with you in spirit💕

[@bensonaungst639]

Great band, great memories

[@michal7705]

But, Bad past.

[@Lorriamy]

I think it’d be so much easier to separate the art from the artist if it was any of the others but the lead singer. Actually listening to this vile man’s voice just makes it another level to me. The feeling the guilt from enjoying the song is too much

[@rankrodent2772]

Proudly

[@Swxre]

Watkins is a hellspawn and I always feel off listening but goddamn I'd be lying if they couldn't make a grooving track. Check out No Devotion, a group surmised of the Lostprophets line-up (Minus Watkins as that demon is rightfully locked up for another 25 years).

[@nathanelwilliam3609]

He has 20 years left to serve.

[@Swxre]

@@nathanelwilliam3609 Not long enough if you ask me.

[@nathanelwilliam3609]

@@Swxre he’s serving 20 years in Wakefield, in there, 1 hour feels like a year.

[@rankrodent2772]

I feel bad for him

[@jonathanheywood5482]

Wish i could listen sometimes but just doesn't do anything for me since that happened

[@eternalflame4184]

Song is a song, we like what we like, we listen what we want , don't criticize the past things

[@jeffdaigle5487]

Yes, yes i do. Just as good now as it was then.

[@JoshuaTheSCPKing]

I remember when I first heard of this band I was like I'm never gonna listen to them in my life, next thing I know there I am listening to them XD.

[@Bloodmoney_47]

I still love listening to the song rooftops! I hate the singer but i love the music

[@BooneREALLYWantsHisBeretBack]

I've discovered & enjoyed Lostprophets a few years ago, I was very disappointed to find out about the lead singer's sickening crimes tho, When it comes to good music made by someone like Ian, it's best to separate the art from the artist, the band didn't deserve to receive any hate, I know that it's all Ian's fault for that to happen, oh well but good thing that he is in prison

[@catlarios7981]

Yup 💖💖💖

[@curiositypiqued6573]

I still support Jacko......he was stupid not evil or malicious....plus not a shred of "evidence" has ever been proven against him either...

[@nexus7034]

Sometimes I think the same thing about Watkins cause it’s easy to frame someone and make it look like they’ve done terrible things. I’ve heard a lot about his ex and how she’s pretty suspicious herself.

[@nexus7034]

Then there’s Manson who’s been through the ringer even though he’s never denied who he was.

[@curiositypiqued6573]

@@nexus7034 yeah but I've never heard of Watkins denying his charges

[@nexus7034]

@@curiositypiqued6573 true. One always hopes there’s good in a person even if it’s misguided. Cheers to you though for not getting uppity about me talking about it also.

[@HisExcellencyB]

@@nexus7034 there was a video of him doing it ffs

[@nickpelaez2766]

Shinobi vs dragon ninja since ATV off-road fury 2 came out. Lost prophets is the shit

[@respectedmastermind]

I do, their music is awesome

[@kotardful]

People its not ready to this conversation yet

[@1234_Flux]

There's only one Lostprophets song I'm familiar with, it's in Need For Speed Underground.

[@alexvenegas1552]

To hell we ride the best song for a Need for speed game.

[@javiergimenez7539]

Yes. Still 2022.

[@e3xiii315]

Last Train Home . Is literally the only song I’ve heard from them and the only song I guess I can say I liked. Unfortunately I cannot revisit their music due to the circumstances. I just saw a documentary really working down the details of that case and there’s no way that other Band members did not know in my opinion. But is no Judgment we will come to find out that many artists that we like I’m not good people.. just the depravity of this particular circumstance I cannot look past.

[@Rob_Cary]

The other band members definately did not know.

[@e3xiii315]

@@Rob_Cary You know I really hope that they did not. And I don’t blame any of the other band members for his actions

[@Gangsta_Playz]

Opinion Alert: A band member(s) actions should not deteriorate the music’s quality We all impulsively agree that a band is immediately horrible due to 1 or more person’s actions, Ice Nine Kills (a band that blew up recently) frequently mentions horrible actions (Body dismemberment, Necromancy, Mass Murder) that border on Warcrimes in there songs and there still considered bangers. My Twitter is the same as my YT go cancel me I dare you

[@Obby_Unsk]

Lostprophets is some of the best music ever

[@erinallen7311]

To summarise your question: HELL NAW TO THE NAW, NAW, NAW. However, the bandmates was my teenagehood apart from Ian. I'm felt sorry about the band other and I am glad that they are doing well.

[@rankrodent2772]

I still listen to them and am not afraid to say I feel terrible for Ian and people like him

[@ArkThompson_93]

Can't Get Enough nowadays sounds creepy in every line.

[@czarnaporcelana]

Someone's finally said this. I won't ever stop listening to LP songs because I can separate music from its singers. Thanks to LP music I was able to live my damn life in 2000s.

[@DivisionOne_Dalton615]

Good one mates

[@diegoparedes2025]

Claro que sí!

[@ilikebacon.6483]

last train home is a gem of a song .

[@nilotpalbaruah6157]

Yeaahh we do!!!!!

[@waterbears9874]

So this is how I find out :(

[@swinetownswine]

the video to town called hypocrisy has a little extra addded spice now ... but the rest of the band did nowt and lets face it its great music ... also personally i was never sure how guilty Ian was i would hope his drug habit made him vulnerable to a spider who had blackmail on her mind and that he is not the monster he was portrayed to be but then we will never know the truth ... in my opinion ..

[@maJastoL]

Hell yeah

[@FurbyMini]

Yes I do :) just separate the art from the artist and BAM! You got a really good band. I mean, hey, there is five other members in this band, don't forget that! This band shouldn't be hate because of one and only person. But, yep, Watkins is still a trash!

[@merricat3025]

I get your point but that's hard to do.

[@junky32]

To hell we ride is awesome

[@SpiritDetective06]

What's that song playing on the start of the video?

[@alexledine5083]

Last train home

[@dragonninja420]

@@alexledine5083 a 2004 classic music wise

[@brendaartgirl]

I still like them, last train home 💙🎸🎸

[@mesh5000]

last train home unfortunately was one of the best jams on my playlist, but all the crap that happened basically buried the band

[@anthonydelange4128]

my uncle had same reactions

[@earlmcmanus194]

I have a Lostprophets sticker prominently displayed on my laptop because I love the music but also as a litmus test for shallow thinkers.

[@stover14]

Pdf file

[@earlmcmanus194]

@@stover14 , huh?

[@stover14]

@@earlmcmanus194 ur a pdf file

[@earlmcmanus194]

@@stover14 , no, nor am I a ephebophile, I like women. But congrats on going straight to the smearing, you really are passing the test with flying colors sport.

[@stover14]

@@earlmcmanus194 yes you are keep coping

[@astienv3824]

I listened to this band during their entire career, to the point where I bought their entire catalog; I still have it, but I don't listen to them very often. I guess no matter how hard you try to separate the artist from their art, or you study hermeneutics... Because of the values most of us grew up with. There will always be this sense of "guilt" Whatever. Fu... You Ian for ruining the band that I loved during my teenage years in the 2000.

[@DivisionOne_Dalton615]

I'm here in the U.S. this song from them was on a popular football video game I remember....recently saw the ped0 on a video and researched and found their music.... smh...

[@CrisisXD9]

Idk is this like "love hittler art"?

[@scottmitchell7126]

Sorry, but I’ll never stop listening to them for nostalgic reasons, and knowing what ian said about America, being the big mouth that he is, there’s no wonder he was eventually done for something inexcusable. I don’t know, look into it yourself guys 🤷‍♂️

[@333arceus9]

hahaha good point

[@alexledine5083]

the moral dilemma

[@GoldXAUXPT]

U gud , man

[@oestranhomundodegudryan1919]

Yess i do

[@tharwpoop]

same can be said for rkelly, kobe, even hitlers paintings

[@Oldstockz]

Also gave you a follow, if this isn't the perfect video for a explanation 🤣

[@alexledine5083]

Thanks :)

[@hansgerber8654]

I in fact think it's unfair towards the rest of the band to abbandon the music alltogether. Huge part of what made this band for me was the music. And while I haven't listened to too many songs of them I have yet to find to one that somehow let's anything shine through of what a Sicko Watkins was. Still I only listen to it in private since I feel like it could be of bad taste to publicly play LP (especially if victims of abuse or similar are around) ...

[@VersaceVyper]

Seen them live with my brother, they were amazing back in the day but no way can I listen to them after what Ian did, that's why you don't drugs.. He thinks it's rock n roll, whereas the rest of us feel it's a good way to throw your life away.

[@merricat3025]

Well I don't think you should do drugs but drugs weren't the reason that he's a pedophile. Lots of people are drug addicts and they wouldn't think for a second about molesting children, babies. He is depraved.

[@bunnyyboiler]

i feel like theres no way that NONE of the other band members didnt know what he was doing... regardless i still stream their music from time to time because they made some bangers tbh

[@NickWeirGUITARIST]

Same. There were so many details of his disturbing activity spoken about on forums and chatrooms back in the day. Not to mention people reporting him to the police. But nobody contacted the other band members and they didn’t hear the rumors? It’s really hard to believe