Did The other Members Know What Was Happening? | Discussing Lostprophets with Sean Smith

[@uprawrpodcast]

Whole Podcast with Sean Smith is up on the channel or its also available on Spotify/Apple/ect just search UPRAWR PODCAST!

[@mattbroughton273]

I've got a lot of time for Sean Smith. His interview with Stu Richardson (of LP) is both insightful and honest. It's a reminder that the destruction brought by Ian Watkins' actions are still likely to be felt many years down the line (amongst the child victims in particular). An excellent piece of writing on the subject is contained within Ian Winwood's book 'Bodies - Life and Death in music'. Winwood was a friend of Watkins and the band and describes the decline in relationship that Watkins had with his band mates. He surmises that the indulgence of the once charismatic frontman into extreme drug use and dangerous behaviours was a typical dysfunction found within the music industry. However, Watkins was able to hide an even darker part of himself (as the court notes acknowledge) through an alienated and insular lifestyle away from his friends and public. The rest of the band were literally left with nothing. Even the bands savings, it is alleged, were plundered and spent by Watkins without their knowledge. A fifteen year legacy of building a successful band from the very ground up was utterly destroyed, along with it came the outright betrayal of the innocence and future of a number of children (note: The ipcc document actually shows there were MORE children abused by Watkins than just contained within the thirteen charges against him. One father came to a police station to state that his 15 year Old daughter had been abused by Watkins, but the charges were dropped due to the police convincing the father that "it would ruin Watkins career"). As for still listening to the band....that should be an individual decision. But I feel it's grossly unfair to flush the hard work of the other band members away for the selfish actions of Watkins. Oh yeah....and listen to No Devotion.

[@erichmika2316]

Please dont use shortcut LP. Its a disgrace of Linkin Park when you speak about lostprophets

[@WillJ3ll0]

Grow up ​@@erichmika2316

[@nunyabusiness9695]

@@erichmika2316I don’t think Chester cares one way or another right about now. How about stop looking for a reason to be angry and actually pay attention to the topic of conversation. All of this paragraph and the ONLY thing that matters to you is your favourite band having the same initials as another? Really? 🙄

[@leopardprints]

But the band were told by Joanne (the woman who reported him to the police) that IW was abusing kids. She told his family too. And they didn't believe her. His behaviour with female fans (not the extreme abuse) was common knowledge and his bandmates would have known at the very least, he was a sleaze bag and was going after underage girls. Honestly who cares about the other bandmates financial situation- plenty of bands split up and have to go and do regular jobs.

[@starwarsroo2448]

​@leopardprints some bad humour about it in old videos, seems like it was funny. Disgusting

[@deaconsyxx322]

I’m heartbroken because I’ve not listened to the music since and I can’t because of his voice. Those songs were some of my favourites ever and the sound track to a great time in my life. Upsets me. S’appenin Sean ❤

[@markgregory2746]

Same man

[@paddymac5161]

Youv heard elvis since though his wife was 14 ..

[@nunyabusiness9695]

@@paddymac5161that’s true. Now show us the other 13 convictions of sexual violence and abuse as well as the thousands of allegations too. It’s not the same thing. I’m not even a fan of Elvis (or Ian Watkins for that matter) but there’s a clear difference between generational morals and raping babies you fuck nugget

[@deaconsyxx322]

@@paddymac5161 which is bad but I’m not a fan of Elvis, I don’t actively listen to Elvis. I was a fan of LP and was invested in them. Hits different.

[@gabagool_ovahere]

​@@deaconsyxx322that's a hell of a double standard.

[@RC99_Productions]

I still consider "Rooftops", "Shinobi VS. Dragon Ninja", "Last Train Home" and (barring the music video which makes me uneasy watching it nowadays) "A Town Called Hypocrisy" great songs. They, to me, legitimately get me pumped up. They are catchy. It's just a shame Ian turned out to absolute scumbag doing what he did and now he's paying for it. He deserves every bit of hell coming his way and justice rightfully served.

[@budman8926]

All rubbish emo music. Nothing to get pumped about

[@leerobbo92]

Shinobi VS. Dragon Ninja is such a banger. Burn Burn was the other one for me. Edit: Jesus Christ that Town Called Hypocrisy video *really* hasn't aged well at all...

[@ianbarrett4166]

@@budman8926 they weren’t emo

[@akshayde]

They could just re record those songs.

[@JamesTopham-t4y]

The worst music😂😂😂

[@thefallenangel2]

Book the CIA, Sean front man of lost prophets, donate every last penny to children's charity and play a lost prophets set. Load of local bands to open. promote moving on from Ian . Don't make it about money, make it about the music.

[@popunkid]

For awhile there, in 2005 (when MySpace was the place to be), I was pretty good buds with Ilan Rubin. I assure anyone, and I can only speak on his behalf, he didn't know anything; dude is one of the most wholesome guys ever, and would have never put up with anything not-even-close to that level of depravity.

[@stepheniddon1482]

You can speak on his behalf. Wow you must be very close. Not even my best friends can speak on my behalf.

[@lakota_stu]

I used to love that band but since the news broke I haven't listened to their music. I feel so bad for the rest of the band

[@kevlaw8068]

Lostprophets were my soundtrack to my teens, and they helped open my eyes to Metal as a genre and I literally started to re listen to their album today and it makes me sad how bad Ian did, as a father myself it is sadly a dirty word now. It sucks because they were all such talented artists and were easily one of the cleanest band musically in Britain, rivalling the American metal bands at the time. Side note, there is also an Ian Watkins in the British pop band "Steps" and when the news broke alot of people assumed it was him who was doing these sick crimes

[@thatmanoverthere2]

Lost profits.

[@tezzaboi7953]

😂

[@lh8698]

Well played

[@thatmanoverthere2]

@@lh8698 Thank you.

[@paulotegsy]

I see what you did there 😂👍👏

[@jameswilkinson2144]

Oh wow you knew the assignment better than anyone 😂😂😂

[@darryldavies8302]

The blackout. Best band I've ever seen play live. Kerrang relentless tour Cardiff uni. What a night.

[@AndrewJShirley]

A friend told me about the warped tour story years and years ago and I said the exact same thing. If Stu alone knew,he would be doing time right this moment for beating him into dust and I've said the exact same that anyone one of them would have absolutely destroyed him if they knew. The London crew still believe that no one knew and we'll back them till the end. All the love Sean,been a long time since I saw you last but sending you love.

[@jaymc1108]

I'm just happy that the rest of the band joined up with Geoff Rickley to form No Devotion, I hope they are successful, Thursday were a great band and Lostprophets "were" a great band up until that point, much love to the former band members apart from the obvious member ❤❤❤

[@JohnSmith-lx3yx]

Lostprophets (music) still is great. People need to learn to separately the artist from the music. If you didn't listen to an artist because of the kind of person they are, you wouldn't listen to anybody.

[@Ryan-ys2bq]

@@JohnSmith-lx3yxI’ve always said this but as someone who hung out with the band before they broke through I haven’t listened to a single song, I just cant

[@doctorjames4245]

Nah, his lyrics were sus af.

[@JohnB-nq4js]

I saw Stu out touring with Thursday last year - great to see him still playing and getting it in.

[@iamrichlol]

He's a legend. They all are. Such a shame that Ian had to destroy such an incredible bands legacy.

[@SGC90-t5y]

@@iamrichlol such a shame for his victims.

[@gutz323]

It is sad! And I do feel sorry for the other members of the band. I know a guy who got caught for similar crimes, against a similar age kid, (it was his own 18 month old baby). His brother, lost his job because people came in to his place of work (repeatedly) harrasing him, and he was totally innocent, also, the nonces best mate who he worked with (they was self employed plumbers) lost his work and livelihood. He kept being threatened and talked about, just because of his association with this nonce. It ruined so many lives, and it is horrible and sad. The nonce (and Ian Watkins) should get extra charges, just for ruining the lives of friends, work colleagues and family, on top on their original, despicable sentence, to run consecutively after their original sentence. On release they should be re-arrested with further charges IMO.

[@jennpanciotti7579]

I 1. Always wanted YOUR perspective on this because the blackout had a very solid connection to the band. And 2. It hurts me that the other guys lost everything and same, if I won the lottery I think about buying the publishing and giving it back to them. They could have their work back and record or just be themselves again. I don't know any of them but I think about them all the time

[@MYEVILTWIIN]

The publishing ain’t going to worth anything as no one would want anything to do with it , they wouldn’t be able to licence it to tv or film and no radio station in their right minds would play it

[@Mariooo57]

One of the unintended fallouts of this case has been seeing true crime youtubers and podcasts cover it and, sadly for some, jump on the "the rest of the band knew" theory and galvanizing their audience with it. It sucks that something this simple and rational as what Sean is saying here to debunk them has to be said, but some people just can't let it go. I guess everything has to fit a tight narrative for them. Some people want to believe none of this would've happened if they had been there, that something else could have been done to prevent these crimes or whatever. It's easier to fall into this mentality than to acknowledge the harsher, colder reality that you just don't know someone 100% unless you're stuck with them 24/7 and know what's in their mind all the time... which is impossible.

[@benwagner2000]

It's pretty weird to see all those generic videos scripted from Wikipedia with millions of views. Ian's story would really benefit from a real documentary approach, and that'll never happen because who wants to give that guy more teenage fangirls?

[@DivisionOne_Dalton615]

I agree man they really had great music as a band it's undeniable art

[@SGC90-t5y]

No they didn't.

[@Syklonus]

@@SGC90-t5y You don't get to decide that.

[@Joe.s11]

@@Syklonusto be fair they were shite

[@FBFJDKOEUEURJFJDJ]

They made mediocre indie music at best.

[@starwarsroo2448]

I'd go as far as to call them absolute garbage in an era when there were several similar bands that were far better.

[@RobHill00]

Big fan of the band, it’s terrible what happened to the other members!

[@TrevorParsnips]

Big fan of THIS band?? Shame on you! Obviously you didn't know about Ian's shenanigans, but they're clearly terrible!

[@davidevans1793]

Spot on my Sean that! People forget the other members of the band and in all honesty, lostprophets helped shape my music taste now. They are the reason I know the blackout.

[@stellatuifao2]

The only song I love from Lost Prophet is “The Last Train Home” that’s all. I’m sad I can’t find it anywhere even ITunes 😢😢

[@JamboStar123]

It's still on spotify?

[@simonmathoulin4780]

It's on Amazon music and youtube

[@CageBlack1443]

lostprophets is the only band (so far) I refuse to separate art from artist. But having only one song is the exact same thing I've done with R. Kelly (I Believe I Can Fly). Granted it's mostly because the rest of his library is shit, but...

[@UnusualElan]

Lostprophets/the Blackout/ Bring me the horizon was the first concert i went to when i was young, heartbreaking when i found out the news but lately i had the urge to listen to one of their songs (16 or so years later). the music itself if brilliant, although it had been a challenge to seperate the art from the artist like others have mentioned. A friend said to me, the art is the good in a person coming out ( his light side) and that has really helped.

[@AllThisOverASliceOfGabagool]

If you have copies of the songs you could always put them in a stem splitter like Fadr, to remove the vocals so you can enjoy the music without the inner conflict, my man.

[@MJMilz14]

Saw lostprophets as a teenager in a pub in Plymouth in... Must have been about 2001,2002? Absolutely blown away, got the debut album as soon as it was out and from there they were my favorite band. Went to multiple shows all over the place on every single UK tour (except the very last ironically). Last one I ever went to was the Cardiff gig where they played Start Something in full. Was a strange one because on one hand it was incredible to see that album performed in full for what k believe was the only ever time, but it was also clear that Ian was totally fucked up on drugs (at least that's all we thought it was) and I remember leaving wondering how long the band would be together if he didn't sort his act out. If only I'd known. Hate what happened for the other boys, ad as much as I know it's ridiculous, I've always felt a sense of guilt listening since so very rarely do. It's not fair to the rest at all, and maybe it'd be easier if it wasn't his voice on the records, but yeah, that's just how I feel. I'll Google his name every now and again, hoping to find a story that he's been brutally assaulted, or killed in prison. Even that is far more than he deserves.

[@goldinho]

The Cooperage!

[@MJMilz14]

@@goldinho Yep! What a place, also saw Bowling for Soup in there. Really sad how much of a state the building is in now.

[@struggopuggo]

Yeah, I have no doubts that they didn't know.

[@BigDrew49]

Start Something was and is still a great album from that era. I can separate art from artist, which is why I still listen to it on occasion. Likewise with Kevin Spacey, Michael Jackson, Louis CK, and other other tarnished names...I prefer to focus on the good they left behind rather than the dark side of them individually. I do believe the band was completely unaware, and the 'energy drink beating' story backs it up. As you guys said, if they would lay into him like that just for missing a show (I know tensions were already high at the time, but still), imagine if they got their hands on him had they caught him in the act. The dust from his bones would be gone by now.

[@ryanjohnson6614]

Not even from that era, I truly believe that Start Something is timeless. It was just a record that was missed twice (2004 being the year when that “nu metal” Linkin Park/Deftones/Incubus/Hoobastank-esque sound was out of style and the emo/pop-punk sound was then in the spotlight). Considering how Deftones and Linkin Park came back to full blown prominence as of late and nu metal is now having a bit of a comeback, there’s no doubt in my mind that Start Something would be having a renaissance rn had Ian not been such a sick human. People would be like “this is the greatest record of all time.” It truly is unfortunate for everyone associated w/Lostprophets (besides Ian, of course).

[@dvda9725]

​@@ryanjohnson6614As far as a renaissance goes, The Fake Sound of Progress would be hitting it big, that's the album nu metal diehards love, and for good reason.

[@Ryan-ys2bq]

Micheal Jackson beat every charge ever, you might want to revisit what was really happening there. Way more to do with industry control and music rights, unfortunately Sony eventually won a few years ago

[@s1dew1nd3r4]

you know Kevin Spacey was found not-guilty and cleared of everything? the media buried it - go an watch his interview with piers morgan he done recently, absolute criminal what the media have done to him!

[@89kilemal]

​@@Ryan-ys2bq*Michael

[@JamieSlays]

ive never found this podcast before but i like it. ill go back and watch more!

[@m0nk3y73]

Well said Sean boy!!! 👏

[@Heartbreakqueen_90]

I remember stumbling across lostprophets never really got into them much but once I heard later on what Ian did I was thankful. He’s a horrible person. Deserves to be where he is.

[@lewisb85]

Wasn't Ian the blackout's drummer for a bit? I remember him behind the kit at a show. I remember Geoff saying the reasons for him singing for No Devotion was because he strongly believed the guys deserved a second chance for how they had been screwed over by Ian. I also remember Magzy from one of the local hardcore bands jumping on Ian and beating the shit out of him at Bogiez in cardiff a few weeks before he got arrested(I remember being stood next to the bar with scott lee andrews- who sean knows so you can ask him to confirm it, when it happened). We later joked/theorized that magzy had a premonition of what ian was doing so got his punches in early!

[@-chrisburke]

Magzy was just jealous of Ian's success in the music industry

[@MonaKatzenbus]

I love their music, but I still feel guilty whenever I want to listen to their songs. But damn, they had such good songs and they were great live, too, it is still so devastating. I remember my mom was waiting with me to meet the band after a festival gig (because I was 14 back then) and I actually got to meet them. I took a photo with Ian and I was the happiest girl alive. Back then it was one of the greatest moments of my life, or so I believed. So dumb.

[@mikehopkins9463]

It is a shame, I do feel sorry for the guys, you forget or don't realise just how much it must of effected the other members livelihood.

[@CommonSenseBodybuilding]

Lostprophets were my first gig at about 13 years old. God I felt weird when I heard the news, and they were just on track to hit some form of mainstream at the time too….

[@ckuschel1]

I was on the same plane as Lost Prophets back from LA in 2006 and there was a group of American school girls aged about 16-18 visiting London who recognised them. Ian’s behaviour around them was very flirtatious and definitely felt weird at the time. The other members clearly looked embarrassed. Obviously they shouldn’t get tarred with the same brush and I’m not saying they knew all the details, but they must have suspected something.

[@timothydraper3687]

So, you are tarring them with some kind of brush...

[@lostvagueness2080]

It's the same as working for the BBC on top of the pops, not one person wants to admit they were involved with that because Jimmy Saville but at least those guys didn't lose everything

[@TheIkaraCult]

I remember meeting people who had Lostprophets tattoos after it all came out, they were a huge deal for a long time.

[@lewdar_]

I had a friend who got Watkin's signature on her leg and then got it tattoo'd

[@Mike-cs1ft]

I saw a picture on the Internet some girl had his mugshot tattooed on her with the words mega lolz. Wtf Ian still as loads of women wanting him it's f**King crazy the world we live in. Guys a complete monster worst of the worst

[@Shagyamum]

@@Mike-cs1ft the tattooist is just as bad for doing it

[@chainyrabbit]

I've never been a fan of them but I have no doubt they had no clue what was going on. Feel bad for the guys

[@adamgaunt186]

One of my ex girlfriends got asked back stage at a gig and she said loads of younger girls was around him, she said it was strange. So left. That was before it all came out obviously.

[@mdg1867]

Yeah, as if the band didn't know that. I'm sure they did no all of the deprived stuff but they must have known he was a creep around underage fans

[@saintetienne755]

Awful for the boys, God Bless them and their families. Still loving Lost Prophets

[@davesiddons8921]

Absolutely couldn’t stand the band, but as soon as the news broke on Watkins I felt sorry for the band. And I fully believe none of them knew, I can’t imagine anyone in any band would let someone get away with shit like that.

[@iamrichlol]

Sean! I loved that poddy with Stu, great episode and learned a lot

[@MrGenedancingmachine]

They ALL knew!

[@bryanquick16]

You could say that they Lost Profits... I'll see my self out

[@ricardolorrio8228]

I do feel sorry for the other members of the band... no royalty checks. No re-union or legacy or greatest hit gigs... and it's not like he was the bass player, but he was the singer, on every tune...

[@Braincleaner]

The band were in a place where they would have done the summer festival circuit as 2nd from last or headliners of any stage and that was gonna be their retirement fund... they didn't even have to release new music, they could have all lives nice lives of 6-7 festival dates a year, and that c**t fucked it for everyone.

[@truuuupR]

I remember hearing Shinobi vs Dragon Ninja for the first time in 2000, I was a young, easily influenced 13 year old lad from South Wales. I was absolutely blown away by how fucking good they sounded - AND they were Welsh?! Listened to that first album a hell of a lot back then. 'start something' was almost a daily play on my Philips MP3 player. I'll admit that the album(s) that followed didn't really resonate with me but the band always had a special place in my heart, and the first 2 albums always got a listen every once in a while. Now I can't even listen to them for nostalgia's sake. I've tried but as others have said i cannot separate the artist from the art. Also if someone says 'hey what are you listening to?' and you say 'lost prophets' - you're going to get some strange looks. Its almost like guilty by association :(

[@michaeltunnicliffe4935]

They had to cut all ties, there was no way that this wouldnt follow them. Which is a real shame. I remember when Tim Lambesis of As I Lay Dying was arrested and the same thing happened to the rest of that band. Thankfully, the rest of them moved on and started Wovenwar. They weren't as good as AILD but they were good enough. Good enough that they could keep their music career going as a group without being tied down by Tim or the AILD name. Problem here though is its easier to not be associated with Tim than that scum bag from LP. There will always been people who want to associate the new band with the old. People questioning if the rest of the band played a role. Its sickening that they would be made to feel that way, but it's unfortunately inevitable. Its one of those crimes you cant come back from

[@ianburns308]

Well said 👍👍 subbed

[@smarttechaddict]

I've never thought bad of the band, I've felt for them as it was disgusting how he destroyed so many lives.

[@shoot_the_glass5654]

Red Bull gives you wings. Monster gives you black eyes.

[@jjohnwords2873]

Ona lower scale ..I was an independent artist and I had a song on dsp's which was doing ok....then an article came out in the news on the guy who produces the record that he was charged with sexually abusing minors and possession and making of CP. I literally had to erase the Song from DSPs and just pretend that song was never made. I never even knew the guy on a personal level but the thought of me being associated with that just sickened me to the stomach. People that do those kinda egregious crimes do not deserve to ever set foot outside of jail again.

[@rhodriwilliams8111]

I always felt for the band when they first came out. I remember recording in the studio with a prominent recording engineer from Newport on the day the news released. It was the first thing we all thought about-we knew the band wouldn't have known what was coming. I wish something could be done for them, even if it was a re-release (Ians vocals removed) of their big hits with different guest vocalists and different lyrics, with all proceeds going to the band. After all, I highly doubt Ian had much say in the actual music-just the lyrics and melody lines. I know it's unlikely to happen, but I'm just thinking of a way to give back to the band. Usually, it's the musicians who put in the hard work, while the vocalist just has the final say on top.

[@Hrossey]

Their drummer alone has a net worth of 3.8 million, of the kings sterling £. You scare me. Bye.

[@777jimothy]

Be cool to see a Blackout Lostprophets super group

[@KelvinGallifant]

I dont think they knew they'd not want to lose the band or fame for one man

[@BeardyRamblinGames]

Cant believe he went back to steps after all this

[@s1dew1nd3r4]

It is fucking shocking what happened to the other band members, as others have said i think because Watkins written the music it killed THAT music, feel for the others who no doubt would have melted him.

[@vermilliongecko]

My friend took her teenage daughters and their friends to see Lost Prophets and they all had their photos taken with Watkins. Luckily, my friend never let the girls out of her sight.

[@jaake6019]

In my heart, I don't feel like the other band members knew what Watkins was doing. But man, those older videos and clips sure make it look like something sinister was going on.

[@rodfrost3]

Most of there songs felt like they were in response to child abuse and feeling empowered again. And their lead singer got consumed by the worst kind of it, likely from it… thank you to the rest of their spirits

[@nunyabusiness9695]

If I was one of the remaining members of LostProphets, I’d get the band together again under a new name and re-record ONLY the first 2 albums with a different singer from the Cardiff Music Scene (Funeral For a Friend, BFMV, Kids in Glass Houses, The Blackout, etc) and split the revenues earned from royalties with the remaining members and then donate the rest of the money (or a damn good percentage of it) to a bunch of charities that support victims of childhood sexual violence and other charities that campaign for harsher sentences for paedophiles. Take back what was taken from the band. Like Sean said, the other guys had their careers and legacies destroyed by the actions of one absolutely disgusting, terrible person. They don’t deserve that at all and it’s such a shame that it’s come to that. Would it be a risk? Yes. Probably the biggest gamble they’d ever make if they did that but…. God damn, the songs man 😩🤌 Start Something and Liberation Transmission were/are still musically amazing. People deserve to hear these songs again, but this time, rewrite the lyrics, re-record all the parts (drums, guitars, etc), get a different singer on every track and donate the revenue to those charities and causes. That would be one HELL of a way to say fuck you to Ian. He ruined their lives and legacies, they should absolutely defy everyone’s expectations and take back what’s theirs and do the right thing at the same time. AND it means that old fans can listen to those songs guilt free and it might even win over a new audience for them. Oh…. And don’t name the band LostProphets. Obviously. Just an idea. Edit:- just wanted to rephrase the way I said something. Took a look at the original post and ngl, the way it sounded didn’t seem right to me. My mistake! Haha

[@Mariooo57]

If you ever get to listen to the Sappenin Podcast Sean hosts, he had Stu on an episode and both actually suggested an alternate scenario where Ian would've been kicked out before his arrest due to his drug related shenanigans (and how they made the 2007-2012 run of the band difficult) and he mentioned Kids In Glass Houses' singer or even himself as a possible replacement.

[@Rob_Cary]

You can definitely tell now why lost prophets made these 2 amazing albums and then all of a sudden rode trends and made banal product-of-the-time drivel after that. Ian made them do it. Start something was one of my favorite albums of all time. You can't even attempt to go back to it without just feeling dirty. Especially being a father myself. I saw them live for the first time mere months before this news dropped and without even knowing anything, I could see as an observer, the clear disconnect between him and the rest of the band. Especially the guy that plays keyboards. I remember watching him a lot and thinking that he does NOT want to be here.

[@MadaCunningham]

Is there a link to the Stu episode?

[@uprawrpodcast]

Sappenin podcast episode 54, on Spotify Apple ect

[@MadaCunningham]

@@uprawrpodcast Nice Swan

[@tintin-uf1wk]

Haven't listen to them since. And I fucking loved them. Massive shame. Feel really sorry for the rest of the band. Cause I remember they all got massive shit for it.

[@mikecardwell9205]

Been saying this since they split, the 5 others did nothing wrong and are still great musicians.

[@keego_keego]

They should record everything with new singers Lostprophets 2.0

[@rockboy360]

They could even just re-record the vocals if they still have the multitracks.

[@goneonholidaybymistake84]

Good idea

[@LunchSays]

no. just no.

[@gshoots4357]

No one in their right mind is going anywhere near that name, don't be daft

[@BisonMark]

They should be banned from all recording studios. They're guilty as fook.

[@theneonchimpchannel9095]

It's similar to The Glitter Band. They had nothing to do with Gary's crimes but their careers were hit because of him.

[@DUSTY88]

Where is the interview they are talking about?

[@uprawrpodcast]

Sappenin podcast episode 54 on Spotify Apple ect

[@domhuckle]

​@@uprawrpodcastit is said in the video, think it's the accent? 😂

[@deprosport7254]

Wake Up still gets play on my playlist, classic

[@gshoots4357]

I Tend not to have songs by convicted fiddlers on my playlist but hey each to their own

[@deprosport7254]

@@gshoots4357 it was only the lead singer that was involved in that stuff and the rest of the band had their lives ruined for it when they had no involvement or idea it was happening and that’s the point of this whole video if you even watched it.

[@gshoots4357]

@@deprosport7254 LMAO!! 'only' the lead singer , if you can have the vile cretin's voice playing in your ear then thats up to you, If you expect to be able to brag about in a public forum expect a bit of blowback from people who don't want to send this creature royalties while he's rotting away

[@pierer91]

@@deprosport7254lead singers kind of important to a song 🙄

[@BobAg_]

I guess they're playing as Lost Profits now 😂

[@SK-yn1fn]

Lol

[@89kilemal]

Omg lol seems so obvious now

[@NickWeirGUITARIST]

That over sold warped tour story doesn’t mean anything. They must have known he was sleeping with underage girls at least. Everyone talked about it online at the time, on forum’s etc

[@robbieskids9159]

They should rerealese the tracks with a different vocalist. Because I still love that album

[@JackoJ15]

When you think of the most iconic bands of that era - that amazing, special, emotional, raw era - of music, Lost Prophets are right up there. It's awful that the art is lost because of one man being a despicable thunderc*nt.

[@admonius9668]

It really did limit what they could do and they couldn’t go back to the old sound ever. I wasn’t overly impressed by No Devotion but those guys didn’t deserve the hate they had for what Ian Watkins did

[@Punkbunny86]

I went to a few of their gigs and I loved them. They were lovely guys. I still listen to their songs. What Ian did was despicable. But he rest of the guys shouldn’t have to be portrayed the same as him 😢 It’s a shame that that will “haunt” them for the rest of their lives

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I know Luke Johnson...monster drummer, lovely man, he had absolutely no idea...

[@fontainejohn]

Yeah, but answer this...why did they all make that video where Ian say 'Come on kids' etc, you know the one....

[@londonoverground]

They 100% knew what he meant by "superfan".

[@happyears21694]

They could've carried on as Lostprophets with him (Sean) or Brandon.

[@discobriscoe5880]

Nah

[@Mariooo57]

That suggestion was brought up in that Sappenin episode I believe. I think it was Stu saying one part of him wishes they would've gotten him or the singer of Kids In Glass Houses.

[@lewisb85]

​@Alexandra Klein yeah but it's now "tainted music" due to its association with Ian. Also Geoff has said he won't sing lostprophets songs due to association with Ian.

[@Tony-vf9zu]

1:59 why did the c word get bleeped earlier?

[@embracehorizons]

I don't fuckin buy that they didn't know something was up with Ian. As deep as he was in that evil life, they fuckin knew he was a creep and they all shut up to get paid, period. They "beat him up" for missing a 30 minute set because they didn't get paid. Exact same motivation.

[@sashaboo72]

Exactly right well said 👍🏽

[@scootaymildo1070]

I have no doubt that they didn't know about the real heinous stuff with the mothers of the very young children BUT they didn't see him being inappropriate with minor teenage fans after gigs etc? Big hmmmmmmm on that one!

[@leopardprints]

They must have known something was up. I don't believe they knew about the infant/ child rapes. But it was common knowledge in the South Wales music scene that LP/ IW had an almost cult-like relationship with their young, mainly, female fans. At the time I was the same as the fans so didn't really grasp how wrong it was, but now I'm older, the signs were all there. The full extent of how IW groomed and gained access to victims wasn't surprising, as it was part of this cult-like hold he had over fans. Joanne, his ex, told LP multiple times about IW's crimes.

[@RobJNathanSings]

The headline on this in itself is insulting to the others.

[@SunBearScott]

I don’t think anyone is a “pussy” for not wanting to associate in any degree, with a convicted pedophile or those close to them. You had me until that bit. I had Shinobi Vs Dragon ninja on tape cassette. Breaks my heart to this day.

[@MrBobbit666]

they might have been big to young kids but they weren't really that big like people make out i think here in australia they had like one good song

[@jpiggott9523]

Iv got a mate in a similar situation, took a lot of the brunt from the public and people we know along with the rest of his family because his brother committed a murder, lost a niece in the process horrible shame wouldn’t say boo to a goose but that’s just how people think unfortunately

[@richardcarr1900]

They fucking knew. Watch the interview they did when Watkins was asked by "babygurl" what his secret fetish was, Ian answers you just said it and all of them give him a look as if to say "shut up" They fucking knew.

[@alibi]

Or they just looked at him and thought "that was fucking weird."

[@richardcarr1900]

@@alibi no they knew. They basically told him to shut up

[@alibi]

@@richardcarr1900 bullshit

[@richardcarr1900]

@@alibi keep believing fan boy

[@alibi]

@@richardcarr1900 not a fan of the band at all

[@ianmh24]

I’ll always be a lostprophets fan, never an Ian Watkins fan. There is a difference, and don’t tell me otherwise

[@chriskennedy2298]

They're pretty shit tbf

[@obi3629]

I very much doubt that if the rest of the guys knew they would of made the music video for town called hypo.

[@xX88B88Xx]

I played with lost prophets in Sheffield back in the day. They were arrogant beyond belief. And their music is pretty basic pop tinged nu metal. Really don’t understand this level of praise, they were always going to be a forgettable band.

[@BisonMark]

No no no. They knew. On tour your in each other's pockets and know everything in detail about each other. They effin knew.Tuey just didn't want the life to end. I pray noone hires them for another band.

[@racelox]

They definitely knew. The band had a reputation for letting teenage girls on their buses and turning away males. I'm not saying they were in on it and involved, but I'm saying i dont think they were quite as surprised as they made out.

[@dethrocker]

Oh yeah cus that's never happened with any band ever 😂😂😂

[@racelox]

@@dethrocker Defending nonces? 😬

[@PxNxWxGxW]

I cant wait til that dude gets in a blind spot.....I read those court documents, fucking disgusting. Everyone involved that let that shit go down.

[@dubbaphatt3368]

I’d be a bit more concerned for Watkins’ actual victims than his band mates missing on a pay day.

[@collins0103]

Right?! Regarding them losing a deal "that makes me more upset than anything" what more upset than for the actual victims? I get this video was specifically about the rest of the band but it's a bit tone deaf

[@leopardprints]

@@collins0103 Yeah, very tone-deaf. 'Magic this all away'- or wish that no children had been abused?

[@brutallyhonest5572]

Think it's just some people clearing their name, doesn't take away from the victims or anything

[@JimmyORizzle]

Why can’t people be concerned about both?

[@Mariooo57]

@@JimmyORizzle They can but resorting to black and white thinking is easier, I guess...

[@Zerobob26]

I HAVE THE SOLUTION... The other 5 members should re-record Fake Sound Of Progress with a different vocalist... Then maybe the other albums too. It'd be theraputic to reclaim all that great music, as well as providing versions of the albums that people can listen to, without the stigma attached.

[@leopardprints]

4.49 'Magic this all away'? Surely you mean you wish that no children had been abused? Priorities! The real tragedy here is not that some mediocre, unoriginal band has lost their income- plenty of bands spilt up and have to go back to regular means of earning money. They would have been OK. No, it's not fair that the remaining LP members got their names dragged into it. BUT. It was well known in the South Wales rock/ hardcore music scene that LP/ IW had a devotional, almost cult-like relationship with their mainly young, female fanbase. It was unhealthy and weird even before the horrific crimes were being committed. The other LP members would have been well aware of this. IW gained access to fans' children because of the types of relationships they had with fans. No, I don't believe they knew about the most horrific abuse of infants and children, but it was known that IW had weird sexual relations with (underage) fans. When the charges were first made public, I wasn't shocked as I assumed he'd been caught with an underage fan. And Joanne, IW's ex, told his family and the bandmates that he was abusing kids, multiple times. They had been told, they just didn't believe it. Or want to believe it. There is some whitewashing going on here.

[@brownmoney27]

Of course they knew, don't know about the baby stuff, but they certainly met some of his young partners

[@Tina-d8f]

They all knew

[@Astrophobia88]

I know a few people who knew the band aswell. They say kinda the same thing. Only thing that strikes me as being a bit strange, is that A LOT of people knew what Ian was doing outside of the band, so why did the band have no clue at all? Its not their fault at all for his crimes and i agree that they shouldnt be punished for it, but they definitely knew something was going on man. When Ian got beat up over missing a gig i think there might of been other things going on aswell, to react like that

[@leopardprints]

I was around in the South Wales music scene when LP began to become popular, and even I knew that LP, particularly IW, had a very almost cult-like relationship with their, mainly young, female fans. It was common knowledge. When the allegations of 'child rape' were announced, I wasn't surprised as I assumed that it had to do with underage fans. But was shocked and horrified when the full details were revealed. IW's ex girlfriend Joanne tried to tell the LP members many times, but they dismissed her.

[@itstimeforlee]

'They beat him up with a coke can until he had 2 black eyes for missing a 30 minute gig that didn't matter' 'They are the nicest guys I've ever met' The fuck are you talking about?

[@dethrocker]

You've never been in a band have you? 😂

[@Tony-vf9zu]

1:06 30 mins isn't as important as the fact it was warped tour

[@charlesjamesward7374]

I think the problem is because Ian wrote all the music people see Ian Watkins as being lost prophets if he never wrote any of the music and just performed then I reckon they would still be around today

[@Syklonus]

He absolutely didn't write all the music. Lyrics maybe, but guitar riffs, drum/bass patterns, and song structures were a collaborative effort - much of which Watkins had zero to do with.

[@rockboy360]

Ian was a hell of a singer and performer despite his crimes, such a waste 😔

[@TheMusicalElitist]

The other members knew. Of course they did. They’re lying if they said they didn’t.

[@Mike-cs1ft]

Still don't get wat the fuck was going on with Ian wat lead him down such a fucked up dark path. He had it all looks fame money, He cud get all the women he wanted. Loads of women still love him to this day it's fucking crazy. How can anyone want to be involved or have any kind of involvement with monster as sick as him

[@AlecPrewitt]

Drugs and perversion