“Do you... understand what I’m saying?” Debating “Big Papa Fascist” On Immigration

[@Tocinos]

"I'm a fascist, speaking for the working class" ah yes, and I'm an anarchist speaking for the monarchy

[@Tocinos]

monarchy=based

[@Fengsuave_]

I’m a tree that advocates for deforestation

[@SpecialBlanket]

fascism is ostensibly-populist in nature. it doesn't just mean an authoritarian state that crushes people with a black boot. i realized i was totally misguided in my definition. look up "volkic" and you'll start to get a feel for the essence of fascism's self-concept.

[@50mt]

Based Gavril? Principled Princip?

[@ChungoUnfed]

@@SpecialBlanket Except that fascism as a concept can’t last without an authoritarian government enforcing things

[@fnord3125]

"Why are sex workers more often the victims of crime?" "Because they're sex workers." "And?" "That's it. Because they're sex workers." I always wonder if these people's inability to think more than one step along is feigned as some kind of defensive tactic, or if they're really just this stupid and incapable of critical thought.

[@LimeyLassen]

Fascism is like if you took Occam's Razor way too literally. Complicated things can't be true, only simple things are true. Especially if they let you feel comfortable or avoid responsibility. It's politics of least resistance.

[@SpecialBlanket]

I think the implication was that the way they're harmed is rape and the reason they're raped is that they purposely rile guys up to be horny which is naturally bundled with aggression. -A sex worker, who has has this discussion a lot

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

I think he’s mush braindead. Intelligent people don’t become fascists. He has no intellectual curiosity. No desire to learn and grow. He starts with his conclusions.

[@alandgomez5905]

I though he meant the sex for money part lol. Turns out he's just an idiot.

[@jakenbakin9086]

A literal google search away were all the answers he needed, but he'd rather fake laugh nervously to reinforce his view. "Lib owned successfully" in his empty fucking brain.

[@CrazyGiaky]

"Fascist": "Here's sources against immigration." Vaush: *"This link returned a 404 and no longer exist."* "Fascist": * _fake laughing_ *

[@cobaltcrusader9841]

Why does every grifter Vaush debates fake laugh? It's a very specific point of deception.

[@FixtaFernback]

@@cobaltcrusader9841 It's a nervous response when they have nothing to say. It's like saying "um..." and means they have no retort, but they think it makes them sound smart and above it all.

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

@@cobaltcrusader9841 people that don’t care about the truth do it when they’ve been cornered as a way to save face. Keep up the facade of smug superiority. It’s what tucker Carlson and Sargon do, it’s typical dunning Kruger behaviour

[@alandgomez5905]

Laughing smugly while being wrong lol. "This'll make me look like *I'm* the winner!"

[@sphenodon2016]

@@afqwa423 I hate how the right does this shit. they'll say "this thing but is dumb, you shouldn't believe it" but when you've asserted why you believe it and that it isn't going to change, they'll twist that thing into an argument for their side. it's absurdly disingenuous and so sad that even the Trumper morons I work with do this

[@motorcycleman115]

Andrew: “Vaush is the king of cognitive dissonance” Also andrew: *discredits a study by implying it has old data while using an older study*

[@ScorpionXII]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM The fact that it includes legal immigrants demonstrates Vaush's point; Vaush believes a pathway to citizenship would be a net benefit.

[@ScorpionXII]

@@123Mathzak Fix what?

[@Ragitsu]

@@123Mathzak What the hell is "mass" people?

[@Ragitsu]

@@123Mathzak You mean the so-called "border crisis" that the news media mentions over and over and over to increase their viewer base? The same so-called "border crisis" that Republicans use for fearmongering? That one?

[@Ragitsu]

@@123Mathzak My insurrection?

[@kinx7453]

Saying “I call myself a fascist because others call me a fascist” feels a lot like “yeah I’m racist. Now that I say that you can’t win!”

[@nukiradio]

"They call me a nazi, so I'm clearly not one" 🤡

[@samiamrg7]

I also like how he said that Vaush calls everyone a Nazi and racist presumably to try and preempt if Vaush tries to do that, but his name is literally “Big Papa Fascist.” Vaush doesn’t have to call him a fascist or racist if he already self identifies as such.

[@mirrorcult]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM The mega destroyer of all commies TM

[@pitdarkangel2961]

Literally calling yourself a fascist to own the libs.

[@bananamerchant6387]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Joke? Where's the punchline? What's funny about it? You and your ilk are really bad at joking.

[@AshMos]

“Big Papa Fascist” is such an odd name for someone who looks like he argues with his wife while on a business call

[@superfluousnscrupulous9458]

That's actually based

[@Etherdayparade]

A business call? Nah, homie looks like a 49 year old cashier that pops Xanax like tic-tacks and lives at home with his mom who he verbally abuses

[@Drakid13Re3kt]

@@Etherdayparade oddly specific, have you met someone like this irl or something?

[@dead_yami]

Did he change his name recently? He said he calls himself that because “progressives call him that” but if he was BPF from the start..you have to be p bad for people to call you that IRL

[@pjharper2643]

He looks like he was born divorced

[@anthonychojvang]

Facist: I've provided empirical data! Empirical Data: *Error 404*

[@billhicks8]

Big Papa 404

[@kingzut]

and i love how he said it didnt 404 for him.. then admits he didnt look ast the study at all.. that he just read some bullet points and then saw something that might have agreed with it.

[@kirbyjaeger2506]

nice flag

[@bengunderman5382]

Fascist: "Why are you relying on right wing corporate think tanks?" Sites The Heritage Foundation

[@anthonychojvang]

@@kirbyjaeger2506 Rule of the People Government by the People Government for the People

[@joshuafreeman3609]

“You might have pointed out that I was wrong, vaush, but have considered the imaginary scenario of evil cartel members in my head?”

[@chelsgo8675]

But the gun to their family members' heads!

[@eversbrandt5785]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM virgin lol

[@dankbullshitter4234]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Then stop funding them lmao

[@samiamrg7]

+ The mega destroyer of all commies TM Damn, seems like Trump did a pretty shit job if 4 years of work could be half-way reversed in just a couple of weeks by Biden.

[@ryanpatterson9630]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM I see you in the comment section way too often man. Go on a walk, talk to someone, start a new hobby. Get some help and get a life. It’s not good to be terminally online.

[@nea7293]

Yes, Andrew, that 9th cig totally makes you look like you’re winning, and definitely doesn’t make you look like a nervous trainwreck that can’t survive 20 seconds of counter-argument without nicotine.

[@artisanmage5378]

Man fuck that guy for sure. But like come on the guy clearly has an addiction, he can't control that so easily.

[@lrn_news9171]

He always chain smokes on every video nothing unique about this one

[@lrn_news9171]

@@artisanmage5378 Yeah he has a bad nicotine addiction, I've been smoking for 8 years and I don't smoke nearly that much, I wonder how people get to that point

[@thanus6636]

@@lrn_news9171 It only takes one tip, and then it’s hard to crawl out of that hole. My uncle died of lung cancer. He started smoking when a friend of his died. My mother begged him to stop, but he didn’t.

[@julymagnus493]

Literally just watched a debate where he argued that sex work should be illegal bc it has negative consequences. And now I find out that he smokes... Awesome.

[@kittencorp.3295]

My favorite part is around the 1:00:00 mark when he is disagreeing with vaush saying we should legalize drugs and then proceeds to take a swig of alcohol and light a cigarette

[@Drogon7102]

Ah yes sweet irony.

[@TheDeadKingsRaven]

He smokes when he is talking out of bad faith or lying.

[@Drogon7102]

@@TheDeadKingsRaven so always? Lol

[@mhmyup3952]

1:07:00 is where is starts around, 1:07:33 is when he lights and swigs incase anyone was curious

[@matthew6695]

I fucking love Vaush

[@jacobclose3099]

All those cigarettes and Andrew is still the most cancerous part of this debate..

[@taylorsouthall4095]

carcinogenic* 😉

[@holikdad]

He almost smoked a whole pack in like an hour and a half.

[@jeffphillips1832]

I feel like he soaks each cigarette in Roundup.

[@dead_yami]

@@holikdad that’s my go-to defense mechanism when my life is crumbling Poor BPF

[@taylorsouthall4095]

@@jessicaandersen6811 even his own wall is embarrassed to be associated with him

[@ike804]

PLEASE KEEP SHOWING YOUR DEBATE NOTES. Its a really valuable thing to see into your thought process when debating so people can learn from it.

[@Linkard]

Yes, yes, yes and yes!! More of this!

[@Trilo-Kh2D]

YES

[@enicake]

Yess !!!

[@superfluousnscrupulous9458]

God, yes!!

[@eikukaan377]

It's distracting to be honest

[@tomasboffa9441]

vush: could you give me the name of the 2020 study? BP fascist: im sorry i cant link it in chat i would like to move on to the next subject

[@superfluousnscrupulous9458]

*chuckles nervously as he gets owned on the next subject*

[@phanatic215]

He keeps changing the topic when he gets cornered and can't answer. If they were playing a board game, he would have flipped over the game by now.

[@Robiness]

@@phanatic215 Nah he's too slimy for that. He'd excuse himself because he suddenly remembered he had something veeeryy important to do, fake laughing as he quickly disappears around a corner.

[@rayneishalowe3739]

@@phanatic215 ..... I fv

[@rayneishalowe3739]

@@phanatic215 ?

[@bubb742]

"I've provided a handful of studies refuting your point" "This study leads to a 404 do you have the others" "No but they say what I'm saying trust me"

[@everythingisshit5756]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM prove it grandpa

[@Etherdayparade]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM that’s a long ass name grandpa

[@tristin1916]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM you don't seem to be destroying any commies grandpa

[@adorabell4253]

The most confusing thing was this man constantly saying that Vaush wants more illegal immigration despite Vaush constantly saying the opposite, that he wants open and legal immigration.

[@beckiadriaanse6312]

Well, illegal immigration is bad. I mean, the data I linked shows it isn't, but okay, I still want more avenues for LEGAL immigration. But ILLEGAL immigration No no, LEG- YOU WANT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

[@myepictbr6968]

Well, in their minds “illegal” = “brown”. Once you make this substitution, the substance of their arguments clarifies immediately.

[@wanderingaesthetics7849]

@@myepictbr6968 Yep. I have a conservative family member who, casually in conversation, said “illegal immigrants” when referring to all immigrants. Something like, “I’m fine with illegal immigrants who come here the right way. The ones who wait in line and get their green cards. I’m not okay with the illegal immigrants who break the law.”

[@PrometheusEpimetheus]

They stopped having a real debate as soon as this guy couldn't get on that level. Like, you have to agree on the base ideals and definition thereof each side and use consistent terminology in order to propose a salient argument. Grats to Vaush for running with it anyway and not getting hung up on it for too long to make his other points.

[@regortex3364]

Sex workers are protected and work hand in hand with the police where I live, Vaush is delusional as usual.

[@inspectornl]

"So Big Papa Fascist, what's your stance on immigration?" "Let's talk about my opponent first, I'll discredit him and assume and mischaracterize his position before I even talk about what I actually think" Me: "Of course, fascist."

[@theonlygoodlookinghabsburg2081]

A very sneaky debate tactic. It reminded me once of a debate of Chomsky against another intellectual about US foreign policy in which Chomsky gave an intro about the topic and the opponent proceeded to give a rebuttal rather than an intro of his own. Of course it didn't end well for Chomsky's opponent because the latter pointed that out before responding to his rebuttal. I think it's always worth pointing out these things before responding to them.

[@skudsterfoster8359]

You gotta just be straight up with Chomsky if you don't want to be humiliated

[@jstareagle9523]

Yep, pretty much my first reaction as well. How about defining your own values and arguments instead of strawmaning your opponent? Oh yeah, because your own arguments are shit, Andrew.

[@ultimumdraco4957]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM okay cope addict

[@papipunk5233]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM I'M COOOOOOOOPING

[@ebros5758]

The very first set of arguments, Andrew made a fool of himself, dog whistling and pulling red scare bullshit, and Vaush accurately and honestly describes his position.

[@kinggoopinator1102]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM what’s up The mega destroyer of all commies TM

[@distantlol]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM name 5 seperate times vaush lied that u can prove with stats.

[@tortellinifettuccine]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM funny how you say that, yet he provides sources for every he says

[@hearta]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM you cant block people on youtube

[@tortellinifettuccine]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM what? Dude, stop, oh my God you can't actually be doing this, YOU'RE LITERALLY ACTING LIKE I BLOCKED YOU BECAUSE YOU GOT NOTHING! first off I never said state 5 things, second off dude I didn't block you, go ahead, post the links, go off

[@ev17dan]

Him: the cartel makes all their money from it being illegal! V: yea make it legal! Him: 404 :[

[@wolfen8622]

“Can you show me the empirical data?” “We have empirical data at home!” Empirical data at home: *404*

[@logarhythmic6859]

45:56 BPF: Laughing because he doesn't have an argument Vaush: "The laugh does not make you seem any more confident in your argument" BPF: Laughter continues

[@fattiouslamar1]

The best part is when the mod is clearly trying to stop herself from laughing at the stupid things the ashtray is saying.

[@fillername236]

I’m a lazy fuck. Timestamp sauce?

[@alandgomez5905]

Noticed that too lol. At one point she made a "TF did he just say?" kinda face 🤨.

[@victor75208]

@@fillername236 I want to give a timestamp but im still in the video my self and just got past a part where the mod is clearly holding back a laugh. Start @30:00 thats roughly the time, I paused at 38:23. Either YT app or my 2 and a half year old phone is doo doo.

[@fattiouslamar1]

@@fillername236 She's got some good almost contained laughter around 1:09:00

[@tortellinifettuccine]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM damn you are everywhere really trying to hate on people 😂

[@jeffphillips1832]

Can't really say "mask off" with this one.

[@thehand7902]

The mask is just also his face

[@cinemacyborg2014]

The mask was thrown into the flame at this point

[@jeffphillips1832]

@@thehand7902 😂 nice

[@tellmeemoar8357]

@ein zufälliger deutscher Kroate probably at his last hooded meeting lol

[@nukiradio]

There's irony in anti-maskers going mask off

[@robinvik1]

"I may not agree with BPF on everything, but the way he smoked and drank during the debate made him come off as really cool!" - Imaginary person inside Big Papa Fascist's head

[@WhiteTreeRightful]

Hey, Davis Aurini thinks it's really cool

[@braydentobin5150]

@@WhiteTreeRightful Davis Aurini is a fucking lunatic if I remember correctly

[@tomorrow2593]

hey it worked for Musk

[@billhicks8]

It is mildly cool if you win, it is awful if you lose.

[@PM-xu2nq]

@@WhiteTreeRightful Ooh I remember that guy... the OG right-wing cringelord. In the Age of Big Red and AIDS Skrilllex and so on, he was a man so ludicrous and pathetic as to *singlehandedly* introduce most chuds to the concept of ingroup self-cringe.

[@Speederzzz]

"So you're saying that if people go to the police they will do something about it, ridiculous" This guy is more ACAB than all my anarchist and socialist friends

[@graytlo]

“Portugal is not America” “Okay, that is a... NON response” God, I love Vaush

[@lydiafayre9806]

"Big Papa Fascist." My god, these people.

[@CabbageYe]

@rusted metal not quite

[@DGollp]

I laughed when I heard the name and laughed really hard when I saw his face. I expected an absolute bull of a name.

[@mikehawk9531]

@rusted metal whats wrong with having pronouns in your bio

[@lydiafayre9806]

@rusted metal It couldn't begin to manage to be as *good* as pronouns in the bio. Encouraging people to respect one another's pronouns is based as hell.

[@xenos_n.]

@@mikehawk9531 it's annoying, just like most of the left. Don't get me wrong tho, the right are mostly monsterous, lol.

[@trashrabbit69]

"immigration hurts the people immigrating!!" "Why don't we make conditions better for immigrants, then?" "Noooo, immigration bad!" This debate in a nutshell. Also Destiny is a girl's name 😎

[@superfluousnscrupulous9458]

Don't forget the haha's Big Poppa Fascist threw in every 30 seconds

[@SpecialBlanket]

cool username but "ha ha you just like giiiirl" is an outdated joke style

[@albar428]

@@SpecialBlanket It is a joke after the Jesse Lee Peterson debate that the streamer Destiny has an effeminate name.

[@FirstLast-wu1gl]

Why should we have to help immigrants? They're not part of this country, and what happens to them isn't our problem. If they don't like it here, they should go back to where they came from.

[@Zima_Blue01]

Destiny got destroyed in this comment

[@anewhero1216]

“This data proves me right!” “This study leads to a 404 page” “...let’s move on”

[@B-019]

It's actually even worse than that. "This data proves me right!" This study leads to a 404 page. "Well what about this other study?" I'm reading a critique of it right now. "Well, there are critiques of every study!" Well then, do you want to critique the one I sent you? "Let's move on, I don't want to get bogged down..."

[@alandgomez5905]

Dude lol. He kept referencing his "studies" (plural) over and over again like he proved something. Then talks shit about how old Vaushe's data is ffs!

[@kingzut]

@@B-019 and even worse, he also admits he didnt look at the study at all or didnt know how they came up with there numbers.

[@JP-sm4cs]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM low quality bait

[@desmondtheneworder918]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM "advocate giving Cali to Mexico." Sounds pretty based why would you want to keep Cali anyways?

[@rimsky225]

Andrew's opening statement: Vaush's data is only coming from biased think tanks. Also Andrew: I have studies from Heritage, CIS, and FAIR

[@beophobic9653]

Pit stunk

[@jaeva7276]

shout-outs to me for contacting britanny and telling her to seek out Vaush for debating this dude

[@nunyabidnis3815]

If that was you, absolutely good on ya.

[@claires1063]

I can't believe you're responsible for my suffering.

[@jaxonmare9880]

Big papa should never show his face in public again after this debate, his ignorance on this issue was so obvious

[@galacsinhajto]

I watched his "debate" with mouthy infidel, he was even more embarrassing there on his own, while (imho) his opponent was way to soft on him out of politeness (and also there is little you can do to an "opponent" who is not engaging with you and just goes on stupid angry rants)

[@billhicks8]

He had a very confident demeanor at the start but my god did he get stomped. It didn't help matters that Vaush was on good form. The guy didn't gain ground on a single argument.

[@billhicks8]

Also Brittany looked slightly impressed as well, so Vaush clearly claimed Big Papa dominance over Forehead Fash

[@galacsinhajto]

@@billhicks8 it is such a fake fucking confidence fed entirely by his ignorance and rage. He is a very old fashioned homophobe too

[@billhicks8]

@@galacsinhajto Actually this might be one of Vaush's most convincing wins, look at 1:16:00 here. He's got a captive audience even including this homophobe. It's good to see people finding socialist arguments evidentially solid. Even if they have to just sit dumbfounded.

[@MCpopestar]

This guy really sent a dead link and said "debate this"

[@Gloomdrake]

They can't shoot down your argument if it's dead on arrival

[@alandgomez5905]

Oh yeah?! What about all the other studies he showed that corroborated it?! HUH?!?! Jk lol.

[@ezlo90]

Papa is such a God awful debater, he's like a teenager that never grew up. He annoys me so much lol

[@thevoltigeur6345]

When he backpedals he just does the mocking laughter thing.

[@LardGargantuus]

He is very childish. There's something actually wrong with him lol

[@ricktea754]

Funny post, he had Vaush agreeing with him on the costs of open borders.

[@danielcollins7515]

@@ricktea754 just because you are too dumb to understand the majority of those cost come from maintaining the border security, doesnt mean he had vaush agreeing with him.

[@stevonwhite8933]

@@ricktea754 If you think so Mr. Bot

[@HannahNoell]

"so let's bring on 'Big Papa Fascist'" me: oh fuck he actually calls himself that, like, voluntarily. neat

[@bluedreamkush2392]

Moderator: Let’s not attack the individual, attack the ideas. Papa Fascist: immediately does the exact opposite

[@verager2493]

Mods: *dead silence*

[@ReikoTheGreat]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM What can ya say, lie down with facism, wake up with people thinking you're a nazi, what a shocking outcome.

[@tru_spartan_117]

Big Papa "I'm not a fascist that's just what the internet calls me so that is what I call myself" Fascist. WAT

[@bobjenkins4925]

'Hey it's me, non-convicted murderer, OJ Simpson.'

[@blargh3428]

Yo I bet the internet calls him a lot more than just fascist. lol

[@magickgeminid2944]

I just don't get how you can get that old and still think like 13 year old

[@sholem_bond]

I wondered if at first that was his deal, but then I listened to him give his opening statement, and honestly... "fascist" would check out. Also, "you can be a Communist and in favor of border control" I mean, in theory you can be a Communist and be anything, if you really want to. But Marx is pretty clear about how workers around the world have more in common with each other, regardless of national identity and national borders, than they do with the upper class of their own nations, and the workers of the world should thus eschew national loyalties in favor of international class solidarity ("international workers/workers of the world unite!" is a pretty famous socialist/Marxist slogan for a reason). And it seems to me that strict border control correlates pretty highly with strong nationalist sentiments, and would create conditions under which international solidarity would be more difficult to achieve due to the travel issues it would present, so... no, actually, Communism and strict border control are not ideologically compatible. In fact, Communism seems to imply open and free-flowing borders, because it specifically devalues national identity and the concept of nations as a useful way of grouping or defining populations. If you don't think nations are very important, then why would you strengthen national borders? You can't be great at Communism (at least, not Marxism) and super into border control, IMO.

[@sholem_bond]

Like, to clarify what I mean: not only does this guy have right-wing views (you can be right-wing and not a fascist; at least I assume you can, although I haven't met too many), but he's got all those weird cryptofascist, anti-Communist, possibly-rooted-in-anti-Semitism theories about how secretly, socialists and leftists (and maybe progressives) don't actually want to make things better, even if they claim it's what they want; they just want to be in power and destroy everything non-leftists love and replace it with their own stuff. Secretly, they're not just several loose political ideologies that agree with each other on some stuff or have overlapping goals; they're a tightly-run, organized conspiracy just pretending to be normal people, but again, what they secretly want is 1. power and 2. destruction of everyone who challenges them, just like supervillains. Missing is the idea that on both sides are by and large a bunch of imperfect human beings holding various views for various reasons, most of whom probably don't have much, if any, ill intent toward anyone else. No, these are evil archetypes who just want complete world domination, and to destroy all the Western stuff you love and destroy anyone who disagrees with them. Which is, you know, what most fascist leaders (and a lot of authoritarians in general) have traditionally wanted (to be in power, and to annihilate any political challenges or enemies; anything that is not of their regime). Projection is a hell of a drug, idk.

[@eman22017]

“Big Papa Fascist” is a quite the internet alias

[@libidinistlyn]

my jaw dropped on that one

[@arskakarva7474]

It does lead nicely into his whole "I'm totes not a fascist, BUT" spiel.

[@thcrimsnfckr666]

And I thought I had a weird name

[@xericscrub4795]

@@TurtleChad1 Oh great turtle will you be the vanguard for the revolution?

[@strongbone9471]

@@afqwa423 how can it when you have the CIA forming a coup at every shellcialist country?

[@Fluttersniper]

“I call myself Big Papa Fascist because that’s what progressives call me, it has nothing to do with my own beliefs.” LOLWUT?!

[@thefriendlyferret8564]

Conservatives will really do anything to hold onto their persecution complex ://

[@angelman906]

@@thefriendlyferret8564 well, many of them are Christians, and they have a nasty habit of pretending that their majority Christian country is out to get them.

[@Robiness]

@@angelman906 we bout to oppress them by wearing our satanistic nikes

[@libidinistlyn]

imagine calling urself a fascists being of ur strange vicitim complex lmao i couldnt imagine being that pathetic

[@mattslater2603]

@@Robiness You're a bad bad man!

[@frankiemiller5364]

Papa got crushed by three numbers… 404

[@cruznix4741]

My man prepped for the debate by watching all the narcos seasons and both Sacario movies

[@TheDeadKingsRaven]

Whhhaaaa? There’s two movies? 🤯

[@cruznix4741]

Yeah

[@cruznix4741]

Sacario and Sacario day of the soldado

[@nftmonkey4506]

Big Papa Fascist: *Interrupts Vaush while it's his turn to speak* Vaush : *tries to take his turn back by interrupting him* Big Pappa Fascist: "Sir, please let me finish, I'm not done yet 😡" Vaush: "Okay, continue 😐"

[@caseyleenb]

this is actually a debate tactic, ik it’s a meme, but this is literally a debate tactic to appeal to the audience. it gives vowch the relative appearance of civility as compared to his opponent (there’s probably a name for this, but i don’t know it).

[@flashfrozen7401]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Wow, you are EVERYWHERE with this nonsense. I think people would appreciate it if you'd stop littering their comments with this garbage. KTHNXBAI. ☺️

[@fredranzalot4849]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Dang, I'm starting to think you're a bigger Vaush fan than *me*

[@epazote4204]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM you seriously have 550+ comments on this account? Get a life kid

[@epazote4204]

You’ve only had the account for two weeks as well please go outside and touch some grass

[@punkrockismyreligionk8268]

They said not to attack the person but the policy and then the guy just started bashing Vaush😂

[@kkounal974]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Irrelevant the title was made afterwards, also he is a fascist.

[@agnesweddleton1416]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM You're undying love for being wrong is almost commendable.

[@WTFisDrifting]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM I feel bad for you kid 😂😂🤦‍♂️

[@Im.A1ex]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM dude literally calls himself a fascist

[@smalltiddypunkgf]

mods: okay no attacking your opponent daddy fashy: *literally starts by throwing dozens of accusations at vaush*

[@diallo1347]

Vaush: My study is from 2006 Fascist: I have more recent studies, this one is from 1996 Me: 💆‍♂️

[@sirsecular1277]

No but you see, it has the same results as more modern studies, he won’t show them, but they exist, trust me

[@inspectornl]

Oh and then "Let's look at the Irish" moment came as well.

[@diallo1347]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM OH like the Heritage foundation has no bias on this topic?!?! Sure thing my dude

[@eaton1ma]

"I have a more recent study than 2006" > links to a study from 1997 LOL

[@satya7135]

but they relate to it 😡😡😤 (i’m kidding lol this guys a dumbass)

[@curseyoujordanshow]

Andrew's inability to provide actual data is an occurrence I encounter *_constantly._* The game always goes exactly the same way: Someone I'll be debating will make an insane claim, so I'll ask for evidence to support it. They'll send me an article that not only doesn't present any actual data, but even if it did, the summary of the article wouldn't actually support the claim they're making. I'll explain that the article isn't evidence and doesn't make the argument they think it's making, and then they'll just sputter in place insisting that I "refuse to accept evidence when it's provided". This is the tactic -- they take a flaming bag of dog shit, _define it_ as "evidence", and then since they've technically "provided it to you", insist steadfastly they've somehow proven their point, all the while not actually understanding a thing they're talking about, let alone grasp what constitutes actual evidence. They give you dog shit because dog shit is all they have.

[@RuSosan]

Infuriatingly common among the Trumpanzee "mUh eLEcTIon fRAud"-crowd. 😒

[@SuperAsefasef]

After this I think vaush has a right to the title of “big papa socialist” as Andrew has clearly lost it.

[@nunyabidnis3815]

The tankies would be immensely pissed off. Like, marginally more than their usual base line.

[@mhmyup3952]

I mean people think he’s a communist, so might as well go all in with “big papa communist”... as long as Marx doesn’t own that title...

[@ariandynas]

@@nunyabidnis3815 so... what you're saying is its a great idea and we should implement it immediately.

[@smaakjeks]

@@mhmyup3952 I mean, he is a communist. He said so himself. It's just that people think communism means the government having the means of production.

[@ChookaaFindlebean]

Facist: "The current immigration system causes illegal immigration and is very expensive." Vaush: "So, let's change the system to where there is no such thing as illegal immigration." Facist: "No."

[@kingzut]

i know.. and then he keep say "well common sense says" .. fuck i dont care what you call "common sense", i care about real impacts. "common sense" is just a term to describe a widely held belief regardless of validity.

[@LyricalDJ]

@@kingzut Moreso, it can even be used to describe what one _thinks_ to be common sense even if it isn't widely held..

[@bluejay7058]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Dude your countless replies are so pointless they just contribute to the comment count lmfao

[@treyforest2466]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Prove it, grandpa. You love writing, wanna write something you provide evidence for?

[@EmJaeDee]

This man wrote a 5 minute song called "Vaush Bad"...and then got killed with a freestyle

[@mhmyup3952]

You wrote a great comment an the only guy that responded was a guy “umm actually”-ing you

[@ASH-su6nb]

​@Maeryn Torres I mean u study for your free style (train,, etc...) but during, coemption, u free style

[@marius1733]

He really thinks sex workers get assaulted more often because theyre sex workers. Hes surely trustworthy on policy issues

[@MarioEstevez-re1us]

They literally do because the definitional act of sex is an act of assault on another person with the stipulation of con sent. This follows the principal of mutual combat in which 2 people are otherwise commiting criminal assault except for the consent clause which fundamentally changes the act itself. A cashier is not oft embroiled in a criminal assault case because the act of taking someone’s money without consent is theft, not assault.

[@marius1733]

@@MarioEstevez-re1us Im sorry for your Partner if you think Sex is defintionally Assault

[@MarioEstevez-re1us]

@@marius1733 it is. because without consent--it's assault . care to make even one coherent argument that it's not?

[@mantlemoky5744]

“I’ve debated a lot of libertarian socialists so I really get what it is” *proceeds to explain how little he knows about it* His brain is as smooth and shiny as his forehead but not near as big.

[@Linkard]

Notice how papa offered NO personal beliefs in his opening statement. Only attacked Vaush with made up talking points

[@nukiradio]

Mr. Strawman, Scare me a Crow, Convince the liberals the answer is no 🎶

[@verager2493]

They said no racism, he was unfairly constrained

[@verager2493]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM notice how he called himself a nazi, before the debate even started?

[@verager2493]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM his name is Big Poppa... what now? I'll help. Starts with an f.

[@Im.A1ex]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM find better hills to die on. Preferably one with working links.

[@realitychanger2.058]

Chicken genocide and I love being called a communist. I'm loving the notes

[@johngr1747]

Same!

[@vanmello1680]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM i don't remember asking😂😂

[@PressEnter42]

Wait. Vaush's study is from 2006 and is too old, so the other guy brings up a study from the 90s?

[@meghannpalmer7417]

Agreed on both fronts

[@ThePassiveCurse]

Later on other guy also brings up Irish immigration from the 1800s. Pure hypocrisy lol

[@Drakid13Re3kt]

Now, Large Daddy Nazi is stupid, but what hebsaid was a 2020 study corroborated what was said about immigration in the 90s.

[@verager2493]

@@Drakid13Re3kt he talked about one, but his computer literacy and actual literacy tells a different story...

[@verager2493]

@@Drakid13Re3kt he talked about one, but his computer literacy and actual literacy tells a different story...

[@tonunknown1]

“I don’t understand the argument” Yes, we know.

[@dantouzeau6985]

Andrew: Interrupts Vaush multiple times Moderator: "Omg I'm gonna mute youuuuu 😩"

[@banditheeler8246]

Yeah I giggled at that. It sounds like this happens alot then.

[@isaacwalters747]

Love how calm Vaush stays and how mad everyone gets when they don't understand they're wrong. Classic lmao

[@alandgomez5905]

Fr lol. Pretty satisfying.

[@ravingmadman3]

They mad cuz they kniw they are wrong and have to reevluate things they personally believe.

[@angelman906]

@@ravingmadman3 I’m sorry, but you had to purposely type “kniw” why did you do this?

[@trollnerd]

Vaush pointed out something that I can't believe I've been missing all these years on the economic argument: that ALL things that benefit the economy benefit rich people and hurt poor people, but theres just *something* about immigration that makes it *different*. He just exposed the whole game. That guy was NOT ready for that one and you could see his face twitch as soon as Vaush made that point. He knew in that moment he was defeated, but he had to press on anyway.

[@andrewgeer2167]

Fr. Big Papa Fascist is red in the face the entire sebate

[@BlueOniLink09]

The fact that these "moderators" let this guy go on an unhinged rant about Vaush in the beginning with absolutely no basis tells me all I need to know about these mods and what they're after in debates.

[@cjboyo]

Lol also the fact that the leftist mod has the camera pointed down her shirt?

[@Samuel_Morchin]

@@cjboyo I JUST LOOKED LMAO

[@Drakid13Re3kt]

@@cjboyo vaush also has his camera pointing down his shirt. Ain't heard no one complaining

[@epicmickey4]

Has anyone else noticed her microphone looks like a penis.

[@trash_kingg4788]

@@epicmickey4 most microphones look like a penis my guy

[@johnp4880]

God I hate it when they say “the far right, the far left, and everything in between.” Its give legitimacy to far right views and no, it is not important to represent those views or give them a voice.

[@robcahill4917]

TRU

[@Bar975]

100%

[@thomascheckie2394]

Exactly my thoughts. Tolerance of intolerance is equivalent to intolerance. White silence is violence

[@isaiahK0V]

I think it might just be because saying “we want to rob them of their viewer base to deradicalize and move them away from the right” sounds bad to the people you’re trying to convince

[@bradleyrose811]

@@isaiahK0V That's a good point tho

[@OwlEye2010]

Andrew's view on Mexico in general's made pretty clear whenever he calls it "Cartel Land". :P

[@weepo2651]

It pretty much is you go to especially border towns in Mexico and every corner there’s a guy with a radio talking to his bosses a lot of us people don’t know how messed up everything is in Mexico my aunt lives in Mexico and she told me there was this women next to her in the salon and the lady started bad talking the cartel saying they were pussies and wouldn’t do shit and there was a guy getting a haircut hearing what she was saying and after the guy left he came back with a knife and stabbed and slit her throat for saying that and there’s a lot of instances were people being vocal about cartels go missing and never seen again the shit is real with them you can look a youtube star called la pirata de culacan and his friend recoded him drunk talking shit about the cartel leader saying that he couldn’t kill him and that the leader not a man and the next day he was out and the cartel drive Bye him so believe that cartels are more involved in everything then the government they have a hand in keeping the gas high as well as the water they’ll stop you in the street in a van full of guys with aks and check if you have any women with you so they can traffic or rape and if you’re a tough guy you’ll be shot then and there

[@OwlEye2010]

@@weepo2651 By that logic, we might as well call Texas "Xenophobe Land" or some other dumb, generalized name.

[@MayorofGaming]

"Oh, the only reason I put Fascist on my name is because you all keep calling me fascist. I'm NOT actually fascist" *Proceeds to be fascist for the next hour and a half* Like clockwork.

[@Allegedly-Ian]

SoCiAlIsM iS wHeN tHe GoVeRnMeNt DoEs StUfF

[@hpw101]

And the more stuff it does...

[@nukiradio]

The more socialism it is!

[@gezi5927]

and if the government does even more stuff

[@ericosagie3046]

@@gezi5927 ITS COMMUNISM

[@myrad5179]

@@ericosagie3046 no communism is when no iPhone

[@3gles006]

What I've concluded from this video. BigPapa: Says one point attacking Vaush. Vaush: Dissproves the point. BigPapa: *My feelings are hurt, nervous laughter* Let's move on. Vaush: OK. BigPapa: Goes back to the same point attacking.

[@3gles006]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Did we watch the same video?

[@3gles006]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Did you actually watch the video. I'm not saying i support or am against open borders but they always went back to the migration question which Big papa always initiated. Believe what you want but your delusional if you think it's because of the org.

[@TheMrVengeance]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM - _"People Without Borders is a non-profit, Christian-based organization committed to serving international residents of the Washington, DC Metro Area. We provide English and computer classes to internationals currently living in the Washington, DC area."_ Lol, I bet teaching people to use the internet is really 'crashing the economy' hard huh?? Can't even do research.

[@americanhero8606]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Just FYI, we still know that TheMrVengeance basically ended you. Next life, try to lie better lol.

[@MarioEstevez-re1us]

But I’m confused-vaush is arguing that illegal immigration is a “wash.” I don’t really think it matters what Andrew says in refutation it’s a self-refuting claim.

[@Mizar007]

"Your viewpoint doesn't make any sense based off of the strawman I just constructed"

[@nukiradio]

_snide snicker but no argument_

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

Vaush spent so much time just explaining really simple concepts to this guy (and he refused to understand any of them lol)

[@BaronVonQuiply]

_"All my sources are in agreement. See? That one's Error 404, too!"_

[@belk109]

“Well I call myself a fascist because I’m labeled a fascist by my political opponents, but I’m not actually a fascist. So anyway let me tell you why I hate immigration and why we need strong boarders.”

[@Thefire591]

"Heritage Foundation members provide the support that allows us to continue our work advancing conservative ideas." from their site.

[@andreisidro6544]

The guy probably doesn't agree with vaush in regards to the heritage foundation's credibility so poisoning the well would be a waste of time and would make him look bad faith. His approach was the right one.

[@DeadMarine1980]

Thank you Vaush when it comes to the human trafficking topic. I'm totally shocked how people don't realize that human trafficking actually happens with in America. I think you should do a whole episode on this topic because I think a lot of people need that education.

[@alexandrite3175]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM "that have their own nation" casual racism lol.

[@MontageLegacy]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM lmao ur username🤣🤣🤣😂

[@PhantomLord]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM virgin

[@MarioEstevez-re1us]

It doesn’t though or I have no idea what sex trafficking is or what you think it is.

[@deezznuts5396]

This guy loves pretending that since a policy wouldn’t make the world perfect, it wouldn’t make it better. And then argues for things that would make the world worse.

[@wesleyansocialist8909]

I died at the use of Alden's number. "Did you guys talk about Alden and I just missed out?"

[@tomasboffa9441]

bouch: if you illegal immigrants legal, then they dont need to use the cartel to get in the country BP fascist: WHAT thats ridiculous! *nervous laugh* *hits ciggie*

[@nukiradio]

If someone only responds with "ha, laughable, no way man, that's ridiculous". It means they're arguing in bad faith.

[@agnesweddleton1416]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Oh god if you're not a child you've most certainly got too much time on your hands

[@mirrorcult]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM this bit is really good, props

[@luxxers]

Honestly I’m starting to like these minimalist titles. They’re very straight to the point.

[@SylvanasWindrunnerResurrected]

Very bisexually to the point imo

[@ottlakafka3409]

Very pan to the point

[@CarlosLopez-wb2qn]

People keep mentioning minimalist titles, but I just see a normal long title.

[@nasanka7428]

@@CarlosLopez-wb2qn cause the videos are being published as a short name like "immigration debate" then are changed shortly after so only people who get notifications see them

[@meganandrickys]

Waiting for them to just get down to "talking to an idiot".

[@superfluousnscrupulous9458]

"Do you wanna see my data?" Oh, you're so forthcoming, I'm blushing

[@fleecejohnson9813]

You show me yours I'll show you my 404 link

[@fleecejohnson9813]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Thanks, anime pfp.

[@fleecejohnson9813]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Imagine being a weeb and not recognizing Ken Watanabe

[@floku8950]

You know I wasn’t agreeing with this Andrew guy at first but then he started laughing at Vaush‘s points so while I didn’t understand what he was laughing at, I did make me feel like he was more right and superior somehow.

[@flutterg1035]

I..- what?

[@Cephrain]

@@flutterg1035 It's sarcasm.

[@flutterg1035]

@@Cephrain i hope you are right

[@krishacz]

"did you guys talk about Alden and I was completely blacked out for it" lmao

[@francesevans5555]

I can’t believe this dude alluded to the red scare in his opening speech lmfao

[@kkounal974]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM Oh the commies they want genocide i tell you, yes they all totally support china, also conveniently ingnore how i just wished for genocide like the proper intellectual.

[@Varkhal218]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM feeling is mutual, buddy. Diffrence is people start seeing through your bullshit and now you need the big daddy state protecting you.

[@nspade9252]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM The scare is real, the red much less so.

[@alexj7440]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM define communism

[@alexj7440]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM having trouble?

[@chilldragon4752]

I couldn't help but laugh when vaush was typing in the beginning.. "I like being called a Communist" and "AIDS??" Lol

[@alandgomez5905]

The question marks me laugh lol.

[@AnimeFan9833]

Dude unironically pulled the sOcIOloGy iSn'T rEaL meme

[@nesterrace2143]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM jesus fuck dude you're coping so hard on the comment section, are you okay? ive seen you 20 times already

[@eversbrandt5785]

@@nesterrace2143 lol he’s under every comment. I honestly just feel bad

[@nesterrace2143]

@@eversbrandt5785 yeah, me too. he clearly cares a lot about vaush (and him proving he has a sociology degree?) to an almost obsessive extent

[@AnimeFan9833]

@@nesterrace2143 look at the name, he's definitely not ok.

[@Dylanquinn666]

"I'm afwaid of spooky immigwation" - Big Papa Fashy Washy

[@Em3ga]

Any Heritage foundation study is complete trash.

[@IseeDeadLlamas]

Any time i hear a person who unironically uses the term "Blacks" to talk about black people, I immediately tune them out like white noise.

[@unconventionalguitarist9129]

People say whites... what’s the big deal?

[@weepo2651]

@@unconventionalguitarist9129 if that person could read they’d be real mad

[@lookingcooljoker7635]

This guy you're debating just keeps looping back to his initial claims after you've already debunked them. I swear, it's like he wasn't even paying attention to what you were saying. Anyways, I liked seeing the notes, it helped understand your though process during a live debate.

[@Toki777Toki777]

He was only paying attention for cues that he could use to ramble on more incorrect assertions, it's a common phenomenon in right-wing circles that we on the left like to call "The NPC Dialogue Tree," or as it's more commonly known, the Gish Gallup

[@unslaadkrosis3489]

You expected a nazi to not have poor cognitive function?

[@feelthepony]

@@unslaadkrosis3489 the problem is that we need to get out of our intellectual high horses,the world is full of people that works like that.i love Vaush but he has to show "brainmuscle" because its what his tribe finds valuable,but you dont win elections by being right,you win them by looking "normal" and talking slogans with certain intonations. if you want to be right,and i want to win,we are probably both going to get what we want. the next generation of leftos has to be more pragmatic,sell people what they ask for,and then implement the changes you think are beneficial and hope you are actually the good guys. intellectual high ground appears to a very small minority,and i'm tired of it.

[@alandgomez5905]

If I heard "Gun to their head" one more fuckin' time lol.

[@jonnyfyre2344]

@The mega destroyer of all commies TM 404

[@Allegedly-Ian]

This dude debated Mouthy Infidel and argued that being gay was a “harmful lifestyle” while smoking lmfao

[@alandgomez5905]

Ffs lol. These fuckin' people...

[@SRHtheHedgehog]

Vaush's interruptions: questions for clarification, corrections to specific points Andrew's interruptions: answering a question halfway through because he literally can't wait another 4 seconds for vaush to finish a sentence

[@jakenbakin9086]

"we had record low unemployment because we had had 2 years of trump" is not just a stupid argument, but when he calls it "common sense" is entirely indicative of how difficult it is for a conservative to apply critical thinking to their thoughts.

[@Toki777Toki777]

Couldn't help but notice that the fascist guy introduced himself focusing exlusively on being an opposition to a perceived threat (without specifying his actual policy positions in any more than vague detail), which is incredibly common among fascists because fear is the only way to keep their sheep in line.

[@nunyabidnis3815]

Just like the right wing moderator's name being, "politically PROVOKED."

[@TheMrVengeance]

His whole opening statement was just attacking imaginary Vaush points on AIDS and chicken genocide, instead of actual stating his own point.

[@nunyabidnis3815]

@@TheMrVengeance Since he's a fascist, self congratulation for attacking other people IS his point.

[@hookemdevildog]

That dude held it together for about 30 minutes, lol! He managed to *almost* come off as rational for the first half hour, but as soon as he had to defend his studies and data the facade came crashing down!

[@alandgomez5905]

Right? I was like 'okay maybe he knows what he's talking about' and then he just didn't lol.

[@nukiradio]

@@alandgomez5905 paint started to crack, then suddenly a million illegal cartel members bust through the wall 🤣🤣🤣

[@alandgomez5905]

@@nukiradio All with guns pointed at family members heads lol.

[@burninghard]

If that dude thought it was a good idea to debate someone like Vaush with a degree of preparedness equal to a standard Ben Shapiro video youtube commenter he surely found out that was not a 200IQ move. God, what a slaughter.....

[@Dark7ify]

Are you 12 or just European

[@burninghard]

@@Dark7ify You´re soo wrong. I am already 13 just fyi!

[@Dark7ify]

@@burninghard yeah European

[@SuperHuscarl]

“I’m a fascist, speaking for the working class.” Oh of course, and I’m a vegan who eats meat.

[@ambercarbuncle1440p]

"Give me the data" "I can't send it" "What's the name" "Let's move on!"

[@Cassiancas]

"Immigration Debate" The man has been outdoing himself with these titles lately. Another banger

[@craigstephenson7676]

Big Papa Fascist is better notification bait imo

[@Cassiancas]

@@craigstephenson7676 I mean to be fair... I did click it 🤔. Must be working

[@craigstephenson7676]

@@Cassiancas anecdote but I woulda clicked big papa fascist a couple milliseconds faster tbh

[@underplague6344]

I'm still waiting for one to just be called "society"

[@MrRancidity]

Nothing is going to be as good as AS

[@sarahsmith2583]

That 404 moment was absolutely beautiful

[@robertbaur3145]

If by beautiful you mean pointless painful repetitive vaush needs to debate people who at least has an argument it went like this Fascist I have data. Vaush show me the data fascist I cant vaush makes point. Fascist that doesn't disprove the data. Vaush show me the data fascist it correlates with older data vaush show me the data fascist I cant Repeat. This was the most content free debate I've ever seen

[@sandshark2]

@@robertbaur3145 while I agree with you, it would be difficult to find a conservative who could debate properly.

[@holdommi7505]

Anyone who can sit through this man’s opening statement and not rip out every hair on their body one by one deserves a fucking medal holy shit

[@DarylStreete]

At least you got a clean shave in the process right?

[@pippincovington1348]

I only ripped 99% of my hairs out, where's my medal

[@alexalexandrov9684]

I found it to be more annoying that he pretends all human trafficking is done for sex work in the USA and that Mexican families are then held hostage. Does it happen sure but most of human trafficking is bringing in an illegal immigrant they send back remittances to their family, they are deported then are trafficked back up again.

[@holdommi7505]

@@pippincovington1348 check your mailbox 😳

[@weepo2651]

I mean I sit through vaush videos so I can watch anything

[@whatisthis1958]

Love how he tried to argue that the reason AIDS rates in gay and bi men are somehow *not* connected to social stigma when its been found AIDS rates have been decreasing along side higher LGBT acceptance.

[@SamuraIcarus3]

I really shouldn't be surprised be busted out that S tier level of stupid conspiracy at the very end. But I think what I really appreciate is how you can see him increasingly interrupt, his voice shakes more, and he lights more cigarettes up as the conversation goes on and it's clear how unstable the ground collapsing around him is. Also, really gotta applaud Fascist Papa's opening statement; it was really just an astounding cavalcade of nonsense full of misjudgements

[@justgotbored1]

He smoked about half a pack of cigarettes during this debate. Someone with that blatant disregard for his own health should not be making decisions for other people or proposing anything that affects others.

[@DivePlane13]

@@Jeremy-hx7zj my man, I know that you know this, I'm just telling you this so that maybe seeing this might do something BUT. Don't let those fucking capitalist pigs kill you in that way. Not tobacco. It's so old. If it's not for family or friends, do it for that reason, you know? Like people love you, I'm sure, and you're wrong if you're gonna say that people don't. So stop, and if your S/O does, get them to stop. Its hard, but stopping would be the greatest show of strength in anyone's life imo.

[@phanatic215]

This guy saw one Vice story with an immigrant saying their family is being held hostage by the cartel, and they assume that's the standard.

[@weepo2651]

I agree that’s not all of them but it’s a big part of it cartels are not to be triffled with a lot of times the families don’t come up with the money to pay the coyotes so they get trafficked or held till the family can pay the fees to get crossed but of course a lot of families are lucky not to go through that

[@gorahindu3196]

Ah yes, the "ironic" fascist

[@LiLLaLa707]

Holy erratic, nonsensical "arguments " this genuinely made me appreciate Vaush's expert level patience.This guy never made a single substantial point on any of his chosen topics.

[@marius1733]

He didnt understand how legalizing something makes it not illegal. Why should there be Traficjers when no one needs or wants to be traficked. Why would you buy drugs from the street instead of a shop

[@Axolautism]

All this guy did was was focus on one tiny part of Vaush's points and saying "well that's wrong so you haven't made an argument" while not only had Vaush been making sound and accurate arguments throughout, BPF has been wrong in just about every counter point he tried