Do younger generations have it easier? | LBC

[@jasonhughes638]

Trinda was so poor, and had it so tough that she was able to pay for her child to go to private school. 😢

[@hoWa3920]

Probably even her own child is better of than herself. 'd be intersting to know how she is doing.

[@paulollerhead]

Trinda wasn’t a real person

[@kalebdaark100]

Maybe if she had quit the Royal Ballet school and just got a single full time dull job that paid better than the four jobs she was doing, putting her child through private school might not have hurt so much. But I'm just speculating here.

[@samuelhowell7364]

Royal ballet made her scrub all the floors and clean all the mirrors until she bleed, then a supper of broken glass and cheese (if she were lucky) then slept in box for 4 hours.

[@MrYoda777]

​@@amjnshopefully she has enough money left over for toilet paper

[@stueey8127]

I feel sorry for the elderly woman moaning about how bad she had it. But why is she wishing that on other people?

[@user-cz1pk8ru2j]

Yes, some people are just miserable.

[@ThePhildalegend]

a lot of older people are like that, "we had it bad, so you should too"

[@George-be4vn]

@@ThePhildalegendAnd then they go on to talk about how they paid for their university and house with 24£ and a paper clip

[@Mr.Glitch]

"I lived in a room and lived on bread, beans and marge!" And I bet you weren't paying £1200 a month for that room and marg wasn't a fiver. 🤷

[@alex_n8863]

Of course she doesn't complain about it! 😂

[@Alex-cw3rz]

So to get it straight having it tough for Trinda is : 1. Baked Beans 2. Sending children to private school 3. Having to save a whole month for a deposit on a flat 4. Cornflakes 5. Paying off credit card by having bread and cheese. 6. Living in a flat. 7. Living out of cardboard boxes for a month.

[@benjaminevans2839]

who knew Cheese was so cheap

[@-xirx-]

It was bread and cheese *for one month*

[@benjaminevans2839]

@@-xirx- quite. I just find it funny she agreed with the notion that young people are spending too much on avocado and then proudly proclaimed she had to live on cheese (as if that isn't vastly more expensive than avocado). Albeit for a month.

[@andersaskjrgensen5468]

A WHOLE MONTH!

[@KidarWolf]

Trinda needs to stop wishing her misery on others. "I didn't go poor me, poor me", excuse me ma'am, then what is this whining she's doing on the phone? She very much did go poor me, poor me, and she's still experiencing trauma from being so poor, from the sounds of it.

[@DrAshaphim]

This is a great point!

[@csharpe5787]

My gosh, what a bitter soul, she has!

[@SEHmmmmmm]

Exactly. Might end up with a few days of loneliness, if her family hear this, to moan about too. Calling her granddaughter lovely doesn’t undo how she’s kinda slating her.

[@kityhawk2000]

What goes around comes around. Maybe when she needs younger members of her family to support her they'll remember the things like this she said and think if she didn't care about our troubles why should we care about hers.

[@TalesOfWar]

The irony is that she wasn't even that poor compared to how many in the following generations are. Despite all that she still managed to pay for a house and put her kid through private school.

[@_KRYMZN_]

I love it when the boomers’ arguments boil down to “it’s not my problem, so it’s not *A* problem” or “I had to struggle therefore so should you”. Mind, that’s what conservative politics boils down to also. A complete lack of empathy because quite simply, it ain’t my problem.

[@tana1234]

Trinda had it so bad she even had to pay for her child to go private school has to be some kind of joke

[@csharpe5787]

Was absolutely in no point talking to her because she’ll never take on board the reality of living today as a youngster.

[@deanlowdon8381]

I had to go back and make sure I heard that correctly! How can she have had a really tough yet still afford to send her son to private school! 😂

[@Alex-cw3rz]

"Everyone just moans today" Trinda says after going on a 5 minute monologue about the things she had to go through of which half of the things she made up.

[@jonnoMoto]

and her apparent hardships, exaggerated or not, weren't hardships at all

[@kityhawk2000]

"Today's people are all poor me" proceeds to go on a rant about poor her she had it so hard she had to send her son to private school and could pay off a credit card in one month. Sounds horrible 😂

[@lesmarsden2058]

The thing that surprised me about Trinda was that she omitted to tell us about the time she lived in a hole in the road……….

[@tomonetruth]

@@lesmarsden2058 Thing thing that surprised me was that she was married at one time.

[@MuckyFingerz16]

Trinda was so poor she could send her boy to private school. Then there’s that classic working class accent! Some people are so out of touch

[@-xirx-]

And perish the thought of holidays in bEnIDoRm!

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Trinda had no money at all yet could send her children to private school... oh and took her one month to save up the deposit for a flat.

[@Petejoeoliver]

On a single salary no less

[@xrpgino6858]

At the age of 16 😂

[@samuelhowell7364]

biscuits and cheese for a month lol

[@Osammar100]

Anyone else doubting that Trinda's 4 jobs were full time, very demanding, or taxed.

[@GameCountryUK]

Lollipop lady, TA, cleaner, ran the skittles night.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I mean 4 full time jobs is physically impossible unless she had some sort of time machine, no wonder she had no money when she was wasting it all on that.

[@stephenmurray8559]

Probably more demanding. We didn't have steel toe cap boots so often got painful injuries. We didn't have forklifts so had to lift every box. We didn't have computers that solved things for us so we had to do it ourselves.

[@stephenmurray8559]

@@djstuc that'll be why they were so skinny. The young generation work so so hard, can't afford to eat yet are the fattest generation in history 😂😂.

[@andrewcarson5850]

@@djstuc across swamp and desert, with tissue boxes for shoes, but you try and tell that to the kids these days.

[@Mike-jl2kp]

The simple way to deal with Trinda is just to tell her that if she was born today she wouldn't end up with anywhere near what she has now, it doesnt matter how many jobs she has

[@Alex-cw3rz]

Well she was a dancer, only had to save up 1 month for a deposit and could send her children to private school.

[@anonymouscuriosity1317]

It's mad, it takes a second of analysis to show we're in a worse position then they were. She wouldn't even be able to learn ballet today, she'd be on the streets or in a mold filled hostel with no way out. Luckily she's had her innings and I wish her the best.

[@brianferguson7840]

Trinda was really Anne Widicombe, ranting at pigeons in the park.

[@michaelsmallman3159]

Trinda is out of touch.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

It'll always be a mystery to me why Trinda got divorced

[@DrAshaphim]

I love how Trinda complained about how bad she had it whilst criticising all the young people for complaining about how bad they have it 😅Bless her... she had an amazing chance to dance too, pretty cool!

[@dl-vb4vm]

Trinda was incredibly cringey to listen to, i now have permanent wrinkles

[@TalesOfWar]

I'm not taking bets on which newspaper she reads either.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

5:24 she saved for one month to buy a flat... That says it all. I earn £10,000 above the minimum wage and was on camping chairs for two months and had saved 0.8% of the way to a deposit. Oh and she could send her k ids to private school as she later reveals.

[@guymankowski3358]

What are the chances Trinda votes for right wing parties who want to cut even the existence of humanities courses when she not only got to pursue her passion and study being a dancer but she accrued no debt in the process and had enough left over to send her son to a private school?

[@TalesOfWar]

And to buy a property.

[@shay444]

The last caller is so in touch with the current situation. She purchased a house for an amount that it would never return to. She worked 4 jobs to get by we can’t even work 4 jobs

[@Thelma7361]

Younger people can’t even begin to start a family home. They are either renting or living in with parents well into their 30s or 40s. The older generation were on the property ladder with a young family, a car, on one person’s salary. There’s no debate here who had it easier. The older generation.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

What do you mean by older generation? owner/occupier rates peaked in 2004

[@TalesOfWar]

I could afford a deposit for a house. If I didn't have a single penny go out of my salary for a couple of years.

[@mauricerevelle8451]

Eggs n baked beans for a month?? Luxury..We were lucky to ave mouthful of gravel...

[@Alex-cw3rz]

She eggs baked beans, cornflakes, cheese bread, she just kept on adding things in her month of depravity.

[@thefirm4606]

And I sent my son to a private school, that’s how bad it was.

[@kattydover6356]

Used to live in shoe box by M25, diet, cold piece of poison!!

[@samsoncooper1]

I survived off rice and baked beans for around 6 months. Wasn't fun. Would be much easier if I owned my own house...

[@ferkle1980]

Gravel? You lucky baaaaaaaarsted, we dreamed of being beaten with gravel, all we had was a muddy puddle.

[@Human_Herbivore]

From the cost of a house to the dying environment, I'm happy not to be young. I despair of people my age (61) saying "they want everything".

[@AA-hg5fk]

I wonder why trinda's marriage didn't last...

[@BOZ_11]

For any budding economists reading this, the average UK house price was £30,000 in 1984, and average wages were £9,100 per annum (a multiple of 3.29x). Today, the average house price is £286,000 and the average wage is £31,616, a multiple of 9x. In other words, adjusted for inflation, houses cost nearly three times as much today (2.7x). The Bank of England boss should be fired for hiking interest rates, causing repossessions and mass economic harm So, no, younger generations have it nearly 3x as hard. Anything he says to the contrary flies in the face of the above fact

[@batcollins3714]

And yet the Tories have robbed the country blind for 15 years and you will vote them in again because "they talk proper English"!

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

Yes, but you are ignoring that interest rates were typically 10 - 15 percent at that time making your mortgage more than 3x more expensive, so you arrive at the same number.

[@unchained5514]

Don't forget also the basic rate of tax was 25-35ish% and the higher rates where as high as 60% and 83 until 1979. And only 10% went to university unlike the 50%now@@NonFlyiingDutchman

[@BOZ_11]

Average mortgage terms were 12 to 15 years in the 80s. Today, the average term is 27-30 years (more interest!). 50% of adults now have ~£50k university debt, which was FREE for baby boomers and Gen X. Social housing stock is less than 50% of what it was in the 70s and 80s. Young adults today have it harder than any point in post war era.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

@@BOZ_11 Average mortgage terms were not 12 to 15 years, they were 25 years and the interest rate was 3x as higher (more interest!). Less than 10% of boomers had the opportunity to go to university, the vast majority had to start work at 16. The one thing I agree on is that we need more council housing.

[@Trax777]

I worked 4 jobs up to 74 and had a heart condition, LIES!!!😂😂😂

[@chambers9208]

Don’t understand why people like Trinda, think it’s a competition for who had it worse and can’t recognise how bad some people are having it at the moment

[@Alex-cw3rz]

The old women who had it so tough, her parents d ying would have been awful. However the idea of being a dancer and having to save up for a month to get a deposit on a house is baffling in this day and age and genuinely pa thetic that she thinks living in a house share is horrifying. As today it wouldn't be oh we have to have a cheap living to follow ones dream of being a dancer dancer. You just can't afford that in the first place.

[@samsoncooper1]

You could get a deposit on a month's salary...if you earned 25,000 a month, normal salary right? Right?

[@-xirx-]

I think she slummed it for a month with her arty friends and has spent the rest of life berating anybody she can about how incredibly tough she had it. I'm also guessing her 4 jobs are probably volunteering with the W.I and church fete once a month (for pleasure, not pay) and equating it with people doing deliveroo full time zero hours contract.

[@ellydavis2066]

I'm probably considered an oldie now (aghh) at 57 and we definitely had it easier. Everything seems disproportionally expensive nowadays just to survive so I dread to think what it's like trying to survive AND get on the property ladder or get a running car. Now with the NHS effectively garrotted by the government (forcing people private, not just dental) and food prices not coming down (I don't think they ever will) it's only going to get worse for everyone but particularly difficult for those starting out on adult life, even more so, if they've got a massive student debt hanging round their neck too.

[@TalesOfWar]

Food prices WILL go up, and rather soonish thanks to Brexit. We're now imposing actual border checks on incoming goods now which means everything needs to be checked and signed off by the proper authorities. Lots of companies will just stop selling to the UK entirely due to the extra costs and paperwork involved. Many already have. We saw it recently with drug shortages too.

[@craig3533]

Trinda, no, you didn't have to pay for anywhere near as much. You could expect a reliable job if you were vaguely interested in one, and it would pay enough to live on, you could expect to have a roof over your head without beggaring yourself on rent, and you could reasonably assume that if you were sick you'd be healed. Were there things you didn't need to buy that people 'waste' money on now? Sure, but those things were also unnecessary - it annoys me when people say "Well, they get smartphones", acting as if it's a luxury rather than the world basically assumes you have access to one of them. You didn't need a car? Well, there was functional and affordable public transport. It's lazy thinking by a generation that had it all then only the best of them noticed that the worst of them were pulling up the drawbridge behind them

[@abdullahnduka5830]

She worked four jobs. She went to ballet school. Ridiculous.

[@MadCatLady28]

She probably ran 4 ballet classes. 🤷‍♀️

[@thedreamer3454]

This is why a lot of ppl don't feel sorry for the older generation

[@seanpatrick1243]

Trinda is divorced? What type of crazy man would let a gem like that go?

[@jdt846]

I have to say that compared to previous generations the productivity that young people are expected to produce (which doesn’t necessarily mean working harder) is far more than previous generations, add huge student debt which previous generations haven’t had to pay

[@jdt846]

@@chrisj9700 a properly funded state solves the issues you’ve highlighted, at the same time we have the biggest concentration of wealth in the fewest hands in human history, quite literally englands next door neighbour Scotland has a higher rate of citizens going into HE but has a properly funded state which can sustain the numbers. When the government tells you it can’t afford to pay for English citizens university, it is lying to you, it’s a political choice

[@mega12194]

@@chrisj9700The UK government should not be afraid of taxing the very wealthy because they’ll run away. There are not many places in the world that can combine a large portion of the population have the purchasing power, high quality facilities, public transport that is effective (I understand this is London specific), somewhat adequate police presence that on surface level isn’t easily corrupted (although this is contentious depending on who you ask) in addition to being relatively respected and influential on the world stage among many other things. I say let them go elsewhere if they don’t want to contribute to the place that provides them their wealth and if they do they should be banned from residing here and or making money in business in any sort of way. The citizens are the ones who generate wealth for the wealthy and everyone should remember that, if they leave, another entrepreneur will come with new ideas that can take their place.

[@scrixdaasd4953]

​@@chrisj9700so that why bommer lived bigest tax on welthey people. Ronaldo regan and trickle down poor hust lost wealth. More millioner moved nack left Mother country. Job hype guy 1%

[@scrixdaasd4953]

​@@chrisj9700if the greatest generation could 90% wealh tax and that pull country oit resason just give money people worst ting do just more more try keep out of economy.

[@guymankowski3358]

@@chrisj9700 the same government that didn't build enough housing to house the younger generation and allowed the market to be so deregulated boomers could roll one cheaply acquired house into a portfolio and build up a further nest egg by charging younger generations whatever they wanted. Your argument is very piecemeal and blinkered and refuses to acknowledge the bigger picture and the evidence, Chris. I wonder why.

[@onenote6619]

I am early Generation X. I went to University in London (Queen Mary College) with a full grant and came out with a £60 overdraft after 3 years with help from my parents. Modern students are in debt from the moment they enroll and they likely work harder than I did. When I hear old people whining about how hard they had it, I can only hear 'we walked uphill in the snow, in both directions'.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

Yes, but you were one of the far fewer students who got into university at all at that time. You are ignoring that the vast majority of students who come out of university now with the debts would not have had the opportunity to go to university at all in your time.

[@tomonetruth]

@@NonFlyiingDutchman That is true, but perhaps going to university is not the opportunity it was.

[@andrewcarson5850]

Trinda perfectly proving the point. A whole month for a deposit on a flat. How did she cope?

[@lunaskye621]

I think the elderly woman needs to have a reality check in how most students are living.

[@joea4234]

Wow! This elderly lady seems unhinged… my 22 year old son, doesnt have holidays and lattes.. he scrimps & saves, but is still a million miles away from buying a property… house multiples were 3-4 times when i bought property, for my son they are now 9-10 times… saving a little extra on the goldfish food won’t cut it….

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

house multiples were 3-4, but interest rates were 10% to 15% making the mortgage 3x as expensive so you arrive at roughly the same figure.

[@daholmes1]

The lady that went to the ballet school and had it bad. It’s very sad but it has made her very bitter. She probably voted for Brexit too. It’s like she’s saying I had it bad so everyone else should. Sadly life has made her very nasty and she is ruining life for the next generation.

[@TalesOfWar]

Unfortunately that isn't a rare mindset among that generation, and that generation are largely in charge of things and got us to where we are now.

[@user-uv7gs7yv9f]

Part of the issue is now people are living so much longer they are a massive drain on the budget, clinging to houses they paid pennies for , then costing thousands in care. People used to retire and be lucky to have a decade now people can last 50 years after retirement. With a diminishing work force not able to prop up the cost of social care how are things going to carry on? the younger generation is being taxed and worked into the ground and not choosing to start families, so if by some miracle we make it to retirement the state pension will be gone with even less people to help pay taxes, and we wont have had chance to save up for ourselves. honestly some people are in cloud cuckoo cuckoo land if they think it was harder and somehow a smart phone and a latte is the reason we have it so easy .......

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

You are right, but part of the answer is immigrants who come here, work and pay taxes when we haven't had to pay for their childhood or education and yet it is immigrants who get blamed for the problem and the country is trying to keep them out.

[@essealants3730]

If i was trinda's granddaughter, i would bin of the christmass card and pressant this year, and send her a post card from my next holiday saying wish you were here

[@cameochris]

Lead poisoning has done a number on these old people, oh the horror of having to save for a one whole MONTH the stats published this week say you need to save for 31 YEARS for a house deposit in London love.

[@Ngamer834]

Last caller has given me an ear ache

[@lynnhickinbotham3784]

I feel sorry for my grandchildren they have no chance they have it so much harder than us

[@klown1988]

Was there a food that Trinda didn't "live off" it went from bread to beans to cheese...sounds like she had a full pantry to live off.

[@TalesOfWar]

The only one missing was humble pie.

[@skylineuk1485]

“My old dad used to say to me: "Money doesn't buy you happiness, son." He was right! I was happier then. We had nothing-- use to live in a tiny old, tumbled down house with great holes in' err roof. Eating nothing but eggs for a month.” “Eggs!, you had eggs! We had to eat egg shells and we only had one shell a week!” “One egg shell a week, we should have been so lucky…”

[@keeklawless9248]

The caller saying her daughter earns 4x but is poor is correct. Too many people confuse the numerical value with purchasing value of money. That’s the soul crushing effect of inflation. £100 in 1970 is equivalent in purchasing power to about £1,938.63 today, an increase of £1,838.63 over 54 years. The pound had an average inflation rate of 5.64% per year between 1970 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 1,838.63%.

[@TalesOfWar]

This is made even worse by the poor exchange rate compared to the US dollar and Euro. We always get shafted on that too, and given most of our goods are imported and will use one of the aforementioned currencies and not the Pound things aren't exactly favourable for us. Another Brexit benefit!

[@carstenweiland7896]

And the "four Yorkshire men" lady calls, fascinating.

[@twolessba1087]

exactly what i was thinking. used to dream of living in a corridor!

[@mauricerevelle8451]

I was thinking exactly the same..

[@-xirx-]

Spot on

[@petermartin5030]

House price to earnings ratio is the fundamental problem. For some of previous generations that is masked by the better availability and lower price of technology and travel compared with when they were young.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

but it is more complex than house price to earnings ratio, that doesn't factor in the cost of money through interest rates or amount of earnings retained due to tax rates.

[@petermartin5030]

@@NonFlyiingDutchman Regarding interest rates, it depends what generation you are from. I remember interest rates of more than 15% in the 1980's, so the current rate of around 5% looks high to recent generations, but that's against the backdrop of the unusually low rates of 1 or 2 % for the past decade or so.

[@IronmanMK85]

Ironically Trinda is playing the 'poor me. Poor me' card for the duration of her moaning phone call about how hard she supposedly had it. Statistically and therefore factually, overall the younger generation have it more difficult than the elder generation, financially.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

what statistics specifically?

[@IronmanMK85]

@@NonFlyiingDutchman the average house in the UK currently costs around 9× average earnings. In the 1980s the average house in the UK cost less than 5× the average earnings.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

@@IronmanMK85 And in the 1980's interest rates were 10% to 15% making the cost of your mortgage 3x higher and basic tax rate was around 25% to 30% compared to 20% now, meaning you had less of your earnings to spend on a mortgage.

[@proxyboxie5584]

@@NonFlyiingDutchman That was only true for certain months and not the whole of the 1980s. Even still with the 15% interest rate in the worst case scenario, its still more expensive to rent / buy now.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

@@proxyboxie5584 I had mortgages from the mid 1980's and I didn't have a mortgage rate below 10% until the turn of the century. The last 10 years they've typically been 2% to 3% until 2022 when went up dramatically and that rate increase is pushing prices down: prices dropped 2% to 3% last year. Prices don't move by themselves, they only go up or down if people are able to spend more or less money on the asset.

[@lesmarsden2058]

I completely agree with Christine, the first caller. House prices in relation to salaries are clearly the biggest problem. Add to that, insecure employment and the cost of childcare, and life is tough for young people. What I cannot understand though is why the above issues haven’t led to more political involvement by young people rather than their apparent acceptance of the status quo.

[@rpfs2691]

If you have to pay £3000 to have a tooth diluted, maybe you should consider flying to France or any EU country and visit a local dentist, have your tooth filled for about €30 ! Plus, obviously, the cost of the flight. Make it a dental holiday!

[@MahkyVmedia1]

Well let's see, not too long ago a household only needed one income to survive they could afford a house a car and to send their kids to college. Today, not so much. So no, they don't have it easier.

[@philipbaker4970]

I make $22 per hour CAD. After I pay rent, student loans, insurance, fuel, I have about $150 for food for the month. The olds want to know why we aren't saving??

[@ValBLdn]

Younger people are measurably far worse off than previous generations - that information is readily available for anyone genuinely willing to look. It's time we discussed radical solutions to address generational inequality, rather than continue to entertain pointless debates with older voters holding nonsensical views about avocados and Netflix. Enough of this

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

what measures? interest rates are now lower so borrowing money is cheaper, tax rates are lower so they keep more of what they earn, far more go to university so more of them have the opportunity of further education, life expectancy is higher so they live longer. There is exaggeration and selectivity on both sides of this argument; there are problems now that we should work to improve but he 1970's and 1980's were not a golden age of high living standards where everyone lived in a. great house than anyone could afford.

[@TimLongson]

The difference in opinions comes from the unfortunate belief system that most (not all) older people believe in an imaginary class system; that you were born working class, middle class or upper class, with people in "higher class" being somehow "better". Most people were brought up working class and aspiring to "rise" to middle class, to the point that many vote for right wing parties (previously just the Tories, but unfortunately also now Starmers party) as this was perceived as "middle class". In reality there are no classes - there are only the 99% of people who HAVE to work to survive, and the 1% who have more money than they could spend in several lifetimes, with right wing parties leaching money from the 99% and giving it to the already super rich 1%, who then put it in offshore tax havens - top down economics don't work! Boosting the economy requires BOTTOM UP economics; give the workers, rather than the plutocrats, more money and they WILL SPEND IT within our economy, with the money boosting every level as it works it's way up - but this is left wing politics, and "grey power voters" are brainwashed by the MSM to disingenuously believe that lowers their class status!

[@TimLongson]

The last caller in the above video is a golden example of "grey power": not everyone old falls for it, but a huge percentage believe with blind bigotry that people if a "higher class" are "better" - this is a classic example as she was born with almost nothing, and yet she broke her back to put her son through "private school" because she wanted people to see her as "better than working class"! The idea that EVERYONE should be entitled to a great education, that EVERYONE should have the right to own a home and not struggle in poverty, does not occur to her when she votes Tory to "climb the social ladder" herself!

[@batcollins3714]

Brilliant, so much truth and wisdom in that. Thank you!

[@-xirx-]

🎯 💯 %

[@Fanto_Sir]

Red meat boomer topic

[@haroldvonschwartzenstien3581]

Trinda watches GB News.

[@kattydover6356]

So were we .

[@dismalfist]

Well of course Trinda had it tough! She used to have to get up out t' shoebox, in middle of night, and lick the road clean with her tongue. She had half a handful of freezing cold gravel/beans/eggs/cornflakes (she becomes confused about this part) worked at t' mill for 24 hours for a penny a year, When she got home, 'er dad would slash 'er in two wit' bread-knife. And you try an' tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you...

[@sativaburns6705]

The ballet dancer boomer had it tough, so this generation should too right?

[@christopherconkright1317]

I find the last lady hilarious. I’m betting she is doing what all old people do. Remember they never complain but the I remember my great grandpa saying we were just like gen z then my grandpa did the same for my kids will I do it. I hope not.

[@csharpe5787]

Please keep harping on about the 17.5%, it was only that for a matter of weeks. Totally disingenuous.

[@hollytheq8488]

Why is it a bad thing to hope our children have it easier than we did? I hate how proud we are these days to live in a society that values cruelty for the sake of it.

[@sarahbarrett1247]

Oh dear for Trinda. I bet it didn’t cost half an hours wage for a tub of marge like it does now.

[@franklingoodwin]

Quick question for Baby Boomers (actual Boomers not just any called boomers because they're older than Millenials). Why do they think they are called Baby Boomers and what do they think it means? Of course they had it easier than the generations after them (and particularly the generation directly before them). I'm not saying nobody in that generation struggled, people in all generations do. But the data is out there that says across the board they had it easier.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

not across the board; less than 10% of boomers could get into university and get a higher education compared to around 50% now. Most boomers started work at 16 so had been working nearly 8 years by the time people now start work. Interest rates were 10% to 15% making mortgages 3x more expensive than now, and that is if the building society granted you the privilege of having one of their limited number of mortgages in the first place. Basic tax rate was much higher, around 30%, meaning you received less of your salary. Owner/occupier rates were lower. Life expectancy was lower

[@themidnightwoodsman1804]

Youngsters have it much worse now. It's not even a debate.

[@newviolets8489]

Why does everyone keep pretending they don't know what the problem is.

[@TalesOfWar]

Because then they'll have to own it and fix it.

[@TheMouse-gc9ft]

Though I will say, people who think poverty is eating marmalade sandwiches when you’re 20 and in school, that’s not poverty, you’re young and in school. Things will get better. It doesn’t count unless you’re at least 40, with kids, debt, and a bad back. All young people are poor, poverty is if it can’t likely improve.

[@Sickofdrawingcowboys717]

Capitalism end days

[@RedBrigades]

No. End off debate.

[@chrisearle1542]

Christ. That woman. "I managed to save for a deposit"....yes, that's the point, the difference in a deposit is huge. Away with it.

[@arthurspils2565]

Simple question in the title, simple answer: No. Housing is arguably one of the most significant factors in starting your adult life so lets have a look at the numbers: Average UK house price 1980 vs 2023 and average wages for the same: 1980: £20,897 - 2023: £285k, 13.6 times increase. 1980: £6,000 - 2023: £34,963, 5.8 times increase... I wonder why we complain?

[@macsmiffy2197]

Why are the generations always pitched against each other? I’m a grandparent and I want my grandchildren to have a better/easier life than I had. Are the boomer haters on social media without grandparents, or do they hate them equally? Are the older people who think youngsters are feckless, without grandchildren or is it only everyone else’s grandchildren who are the problem? Each generation will face its own particular problems and challenges. They represent cross sections of society in terms of wealth, ethnicity, gender etc. If I can help in any way, I will! Btw, I was a 6th form tutor for many years and always found my students to be kind, considerate, intelligent and resourceful. It was a normal comprehensive school.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

4 full time jobs is physically impossible unless she had some sort of time machine, no wonder she had no money when she was wasting it all on that.

[@kattydover6356]

Four jobs is not impossible, however, deposit for house & the super schooling is. İ did four jobs to reside in bedsit.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@kattydover6356 four full time jobs that is 160 hours work a week there are 168 hours in the week...

[@kattydover6356]

Mine were not full time, right mixture

[@Hercules_the_Great]

I could accept everything the last caller said as true, the only question I would ask her is, in a first world country, do you think someone should have to have such a tough life as she? Should modern generations not expect more?

[@andrewjones-productions]

I'm sorry, but Trinda, I think that you feel that young people must go through exactly what you did. Sounds to me, like you have a chip on your shoulder. I have to agree with Christina. I'm not a baby boomer, but Gen X. The young people of today are no different to what we were or the generation above mine or the generation before that. Of course, they have different trends, different colloquial language, different ideas and perhaps different career aspirations. However, they are not different in their attitude to work. What we had was an era when things seemed to be on the up. The European Community meant that suddenly being able to go to France and buy a car load of wine without the old limits, to buy a car in Germany and drive it home were all positive news items and the iron curtain came down and cold war ended. I'm not saying that the EC was fantastic, but rather there were things happening that people could feel gave them tangible opportunities and benefits. How many people actually took advantage of those opportunities is a different kettle of fish, but there was a certain element of excitement in the air. The young people of today don't have that. Partially because of external factors beyond the UK government's control (e.g. pandemic) and partially because of what is within the control of the UK government and isn't being adequately addressed. It isn't just the UK either. The same is true of here in Japan also. There are also far too many overkill regulations these days and they are stifling people. A lot of those regulations are necessary for one reason or another, but many are down to nothing more than governments avoiding having to take any responsibility or having to pay or spend money. A very simple example of such is that in Japanese parks these days, there are signs up saying that children can't play ball games. Simple reason is they want to appease the residents of luxury apartments who are not happy about the odd football landing on their balconies or even the sound of children kicking a ball around! There are hundreds more examples like this.

[@KidarWolf]

As an Xennial, I see and appreciate you. You're absolutely correct on all of this. My opportunities were less than older Gen X, and only marginally better than younger Millennials. I also very much appreciate the comparison between Japan and the UK - the more I learn about Japan, the more I realize how similar the UK and Japan are. I do think there are things that the British government could learn from Japanese government, in particular relating to its attempt to manage The Lost Decades after its economic collapse in the early 1990s.

[@Thai.Farang]

Avocados weren't invented in the 80's!? Alright love

[@kattydover6356]

They've been round for while

[@robertcoleman6153]

The difference is that back in my day, if you worked and saved hard you could expect to buy a home in time, you could see the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, young people can't see that light, no matter how hard they work, the goal keeps getting farther away. The social contract is dead; killed off by my generation, pulling up the drawbridge behind us.

[@nickiw1979]

Trinda “I didn’t have credit cards”. Next sentence from Trinda “But when I did, I paid them off” 😂

[@batcollins3714]

Get rid of the Tories, get back into the EU, stop glorifying the royal family of tax dodgers, get rid of the House of Lords, DEMAND (not ask for) a written constitution and realise that youre not special. Its that simple

[@kattydover6356]

Yes, but do not get rid of the house of Lords, just monitor who is in it. Without the House of Lords the government is not monitored , this unelected government would be even worse without it. İf possible.

[@kingdomofaphalas.2485]

Agreed though when written constitutions come into it, have to be careful - don't exactly want to end up like the US with that one.

[@jacksalisbury4289]

We do “have it easier” in that we don’t have to work in mines, factories or as farm labourers. We are undoubtedly more entitled due to all the advertising we’re fed by social media. We can’t buy a house as economically this is simply infeasible (for many). The jobs that our parents worked in are gone. Abroad mostly. We’ve pivoted our whole economy to a place where owning property is the way you become wealthy. It’s configured wrongly. That’s created a supply problem. If the economy was more diverse and buoyant. We’d be able to create wealth through wage growth and investment. This would have the dual effect of reducing house prices and meaning we were better off. There are loads of models out there in the world for how the housing market could change. For that to happen we need to completely change our mentality. I think that’s a few years away as once the current generation die the last demogs that support the status quo will be gone. All the inherited wealth will not be enough to buy new homes. Both sides of the argument are foolish as it is not really a debate. General living conditions are better (with exception of perhaps a brief period in the 1990s) but peoples wealth and financial security is absolutely reduced. Everyone could save a bit more and could also do with a bit of financial education. Still the fact that the average price of a house is now 7x the average salary compared to 3x that in the 1990s tells you what you need to know. True societal change is needed.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

The problem is not supply it's demand and I don't mean the number of people who'd like to buy a house, demand is the amount of money people will assign to an asset class. Prices have gone up because interest rates have come down meaning people can borrow more money to spend on houses. Look at a graph of prices since the 1970s and then one of interest rates; they are more or less negatively correlated. Wage growth won't solve the problem as that will just mean people have more money to spend on houses (increased demand)and it will drive prices higher. Wages are higher in London than say Birmingham but that doesn't make housing more affordable in London it just drives prices higher. Yes, in the early 1990's house prices were around 3x average wages compared to 7x or 8x now but then in the 1990's interest rates were 10% to 15% or about 3x higher, so you end up at the same place.

[@Kaizen917]

Its interesting to ponder that the last caller is basing her whole rant on the distorted impression as if a handful of lazy youngsters complained about having to put effort to succeed in life. And not that this has reached national news level of discussion because of how widespread is, to the point that the young person struggling is nameless, faceless and not actually showting "poor me" out of rooftops but is instead either silently giving up, leaving the big city, the country or going into their own mental illness pit.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

It was always at the national news live of discussion. The 1970s and 1980s were not a golden age where everyone was rich and lived in great houses that anyone could afford.

[@splintercast8092]

I think Trinda's opinion of young people is straight out of The Daily Mail rather than being based on reality. Her anecdotal evidence based solely on her experiences isn't proof of anything.

[@Bigfaceakachl]

I feel the truth is between these 2 extremes

[@pokemon1996ism]

She got a room on a dancer salary nuff said

[@ramkedoodle]

Trinda sounds fun at parties

[@tmarritt]

Trinda didn't mention the money she had and where she got it from to send her kids to private school, "poor me poor me' lets take away all those non mesns tested benifits she gets

[@indydev1609]

Poor Trinda......😂

[@mistridancer]

Benidorm is actually quite a beautiful place to visit if tou stay away from that main club street. Great beaches and great food and close to other stunning places to visit. (I live in spain ans was very surprised when i was there for work once 😂😂😂)

[@yungerK9]

This is such an insane question to ask

[@whackeryounis]

I mean, she thought the £60000 debt from the previous call was credit card and just ignored then he said it was student loan. She also seems to be basing this on her grand daughter and I doubt the majority of young people are living life like that. Another thing to take into consideration is today you're more likely to hear how hard people are finding it whereas back then when you got all your info from newspapers and the radio, you're not going to hear how hard people of your generation had it. Just because her and the small circle of people she knows didn't moan doesn't mean others didn't.

[@TalesOfWar]

Ironically they hear about how hard her generation had it all the time in the papers today. Mostly the Mail, wanging on about Netflix and avocados.

[@whackeryounis]

@@TalesOfWar I haven't eaten an avocado in years, use someone else's Netflix, got a 90k student loan and worked throughout my degree. The one thing they never bring up is how it was easier to live off one salary. You basically need duel income to have a half decent life. Also, when people say they work multiple jobs, we need a breakdown of the hours. People can work the same amount of hours in one job that one can in 4 combined. She's basically saying it was hard for her and I'm sure it was but we're saying it's hard as well and she's like nope. She sees her kid let her granddaughter live rent free and don't teach her how to be financially responsible and applies that to all of us🙄

[@matthenley3886]

Trinda worked 4 jobs from 16 to 74 and she subsisted only on sugar and lard

[@Alex-cw3rz]

We have more technology yes, that's it, everything else is worse and harder. It would be like going to the people during the black death, well you have the printing press, you should count yourself lucky.

[@weightsallday2245]

To add to the problem, the government's housing agency* recently changed their policy from preferentially passing over open spaces and funds from completed housing developments to local councils, to now passing them over to private companies. The Tories are, via their housing agency, literally taking public land and giving it to their mates for free. I expect they're seeing how much they can sell off before Labour take over and put a stop to it. *Homes England.

[@One-Goth]

I rent a house and had to pay an extra £500 for my cats on the bond. Yep...

[@Bjcf8060]

She had it hard for a month then sent her kid to private school. "Poor me", eh?

[@Bringthegoose]

You've gotta laugh, if just to hold on to your sanity. I actually feel sorry for People like Trinda and her generation. They're so out of touch and so self indulgent that they argue for the sake of arguing. They're so obsessed with bragging about living in the rough times, when they were chased to school by mountain lions, and had to thicken their dishcloth soup with asbestos and compost, that they cannot accept that anybody else has it tough. It's always about one-upmanship, like a competition. They make these spourious claims but never back it up with a single fact or evidence. To me its an admition of guilt because they know its their vote thats f**ked it for the nation, and come polling day they'll do it again. They call the younger generations snowflakes... well one, we are the product of the last two generations so the buck stops with them, and two they're the ones always moaning and groaning about the hardships of 5p mortgages and affordable groceries. Its an absolute joke and it's a big factor as to why we're in the mess we are today.

[@paul8161]

The older generation seem to be forgetting that the prices they are paying back in there days are wildly different then they are now, and maybe they could save because the cost of living was massively different back then..

[@darrenwestbury8569]

no one has even factored in car insurance for young drivers

[@lesmarsden2058]

If you’re spending time in Spain, you really MUST visit Cuenca! It’s midway between Madrid and Valencia and is easily accessible by road and the AVE fast train. Cuenca has stunning limestone scenery, an amazing history, culture and food! On my last visit I enjoyed a taster menu at a Michelin star restaurant for just 50 euros! It was amazing value. Madrid and Valencia are also wonderful cities.

[@lesmarsden2058]

OOPS! WRONG SITE😂

[@paul8161]

​@lesmarsden2058 ,, just wait for what they wrote on there holiday site about there holiday 😂😂

[@hazrover]

Trinda sounds so bitter.