DOC HARLEY: 2020 OIL PUMP UPGRADE

[@richporak]

Thanks for the info and tech Doc. I installed an S&S pump and plate into my 2019 FLTRX 107 along with their 465 cam and bearing. Couldn’t be happier. Sounds like Harley engineers are learning a thing or two from the aftermarket. And hats off to S&S for making such premium products to us. My bike is my baby and I want only the best inside her engine cases.

[@Johnr37us]

I have a 2019 CVO Limited. Hopefully my oil pump will keep on pumping as it is. Because I have spent enough money on motorcycles for a while.

[@roncoburn7771]

And for the price of that thing John it better have a good oil pump in it

[@davidson2004fatboy]

Because I have spent enough money on motorcycles for a while. I SAY YOUR LYING 😁😂🤣

[@richporak]

John I own a 2019 107 and installed S&S’s pump and cam plate along with their 465 camshaft. I heard the stories about oil sumping before I even bought my bike and I made sure I was going to do what I can to prevent that. You have a monster 117 and I would for sure do a pump upgrade. The larger these motors get and with limited crankcase venting due to the EPA these motors throw oil all around the crankcase and have trouble scavenging. The S&S pump has dual scavenge 8 lug rotors and is made of premium billet aluminum with internal filters. It’s a really awesome piece. Produces higher volume and pressure also which in my opinion could help oil cooling as its moving more oil than stock.

[@Johnr37us]

Rich P thank you for that advice. I will look into seeing about the cost of having this done.

[@davidson2004fatboy]

@@Johnr37us JUST BILL YOUR LOCAL STEALERSHIP

[@Kwhopperfan]

Great information, I recently had a dealership tell me it was only the 2017 that was affected and that any bike being sold at their dealership would have already had it done due to a recall/service bulletin. I was surprised and almost impressed but had my doubts because it conflicted with other information I had already researched about this known problem. Oil Pump works just fine on my Ivanized Voyager. No engine disassembly to make it reliable required ! 😎

[@jiriza84641]

Stage 2 with Torquer cam done and verified the part number with the 8 lobe you have in video. Thanks Doc

[@toddaod295]

I know I'm a bit late on a comment but the SE stage 2 upgrade now requires this pump installation in the documentation. And now I see SE offering a high volume pump and cam support plate kit, looks real nice but for $700 it ought to. Thanks for all the great content Doc!

[@jamesatkins8821]

He doc You mean to tell me the brand new 131 engine that is a 2020 does not have the new oil pump in it

[@jamessmoth8683]

So this is the 3rd or 4th change in oil pumps? Between bodies, covers and lobes, but harley won't issue a service recall admitting a manufacturing error. I had a stage 4 kit installed on my 2019 at time of purchase and bought the extended warranty, so I can bash the hell out of the motor and they will be the ones that have to fix it. Already have had an oil issue.

[@joezednick3197]

I sure enjoy your quality videos just filled with great advice. I've been going back and watching all your videos that I missed before I subscribed. The tip on the side stand bolt may have saved my 2019 CVO Road Glide from falling off the side stand! I had noticed it would "walk forward" more that any Harley I've owned, after I watched the video I went out in the garage grabbed my 1/2 wrench and what do you know,,,,,it was FINGER TIGHT!!!!! WOW,,, I put bike on my small lift, removed the bolt and plate, looked them over closely, installed again with blue thread locker. I'll be sure to keep an eye on that bolt. Thanks again for the tip!! Ocala Fl.

[@dadtrap]

Great information but I did a Stage II on my 18 Ultra when I purchased it. Don’t want to pay for the oil pump to be changed

[@johntojnar7070]

Doc...still a lot of us runnin around on twin cams....what about a video on oil pump upgrade for twin cams?

[@Info-Med]

Thx Doc, on may 2nd I am getting a Stage 2 + Oil Pump, THX for the advice 👍

[@distancejunkiemonkey4491]

My 2019 Ultra has sumped 5 times during continuous operation above 3500 rpm, maybe the dealership can install this as a warranty fix?

[@stevemangini3521]

Hey Doc, When installing this new pump, do we need to install new cam plate as well?

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

For anyone who's wondering this is for Sumping engine failure protection. Only this, and the feuling aftermarket pump are verified to fix this.

[@harleyguzz4301]

I have just upgraded my 2019 SG pump to the new type and have noticed when checking the oil level when hot that there is an awful lot of aeration present, the dip stick is foamed , if you know what I mean, I didnt notice this with my old pump, If you want a clear oil level check on the stick you have to wait ten minutes. any ideas Doc.

[@freedom6919741]

4 model years of the M8 and maybe this will fix it ? I am not betting on HD to get anything correct. I installed a Fueling race pump and plate in my 18 RGU along with all S&S top end. 0 problems since. 30000 dollar bike and have to spend 10000 to make it reliable.

[@paulhewson4600]

Freedom you are correct,,,,HD Mothership can't figure out why folks don't have faith in a $45K CVO ,,,They need to Make a better product that lasts and people will buy make a Shix product and sales plumits and you have VP's being told to quit.

[@MultiJohnmike]

I see you Charleston "himself" walking in the background. What a great company to work for! I look forward to meeting you one day Doc!

[@longranger308]

Do all 2020 manufactured M8 motors have these pumps or is it based off a specific manufacturing date built in 2019?

[@rickyhawkins7407]

I just had my 17 RG in the dealer for a recall. While there they observed the oil pump issue and replaced the oil pump under warranty. Didn’t cost me a thing. In fact after seeing this video I went to my bike folder and pulled the paperwork to verify, they did the vent tube correction and the oil pump. If your bike is still under warranty take it in and have it changed. Just tell them it is burning or blowing oil. I had the Stage IV 114 kit installed when I bought the bike also.

[@jmbman]

HD has been making dry sump engines for over a hundred years, why in the hell don't they know how to make a damn oil pump? The S&S pump looks real sweet, I'll be getting that one day.

[@richporak]

jmbman The M8’s are having issues with oil sumping in the crankcase. And as the motors get bigger the problem gets worse. The new and aftermarket pumps have better scavenging properties to help pickup and move more oil. My bike has premium S&S components inside her motor.

[@davidford597]

Just installed S&S oil pump and Cam Plate in my 2015 Twin Cam 103, high quality parts. Absolutely disgraceful what Harley Davidson puts in their engines

[@edmundwasilewski]

I guess what I struggle to understand is, HD have made several editions of oil pumps. S&S have made 1, and has proven to be a successful oil pump for normal street rides and big ci engines. Why have Harley Davidson taken so many attempts to rectify the oil pump issue when Fueling and S&S appeared to get it right the first time round. They sent men To The moon in 1969, why can't they get it right the first time. I'm on my 3rd oil pump. I'm confused.....

[@garybaldwin1061]

That’s what I thought. Doc didn’t answer it my local Harley didn’t know. I’m assuming the softail from 2021 got the upgrade but nobody could say anything but offer opinions.

[@Old-n-slo-locked-n-leaned]

Is there a difference between the screamin eagle high capacity oil pump and this new one?

[@desagogo]

Thanks doc! Straight forward comparison. I have a 2017 FLHR. Oil and air cool yes? What would the part no. be if I want to do the 2020 oil pump retro fit? Thanks in advance. Des.

[@louisluongo5987]

Thanks Doc. Is this the sumping issue fix? I was just in there changing the cam and got/installed the new cover plate but no one at the dealership said anything about the new pump itself. Riding a 2018 street glide. thanks again!!

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

There are several causes and discussions on this subject. This oil pump update is a product of Harley-Davidson's continued research and development team.

[@ginaz2640]

Doc, It looks like this 62400247 "retro fit kit" for oil cooled M8s comes complete with both scavenge and feed gerotor assemblies, new pump body, and new pump cover and seal. Does this kit also contain a new "O" ring for the pump body spigot going into the crankcase? Can you confirm this please before I order one?

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Confirmed...Yes...Doc

[@ginaz2640]

@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Thank you!

[@shawnrgs5733]

When I say I bought my last HD I mean it! Between oil transfer to primary from transmission & sumping issues & lifter issues my opinion is the M8 is a damn boat anchor. So far I only have transfer issue & warranty is up & so its screw me.

[@jerrybrown66]

Hey Doc. I have a 2019 RGS and I assume NOT the 8 lobe pump, but my manual does show the seal. Had her dyno'd and Stage 1 with no known sumping issues. Should I upgrade as a preventative measure?

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Depends on how much you love to Rev, ride at high speeds for a long period of time and don't warm up you bike. Stage 1 with normal every day riding the 2019 oil pump will keep up...Doc

[@domenic4368]

Well Doc my 2023 M8 114 is getting both cylinders, pistons, lifters and valves done @ 1000miles, been bad since day one. I doubt the issues with the M8 are solved, far from it.

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

In my humble opinion, it is not the M8 design. It be is the poor quality control under the goal of as many bikes produced per day…..Doc

[@wtf0101]

Great video Doc,What it means for me, is I'm screwed,I have a 17 and 18 M8,im going to have to keep the rpms under 3500 Thanks Harley

[@michaelleeashba9219]

I feel your pain I’ve got 2 also a 2018 107 ultra and a 2018 114 Heritage. SMH

[@fredgemigniani589]

Hi Doc. I'm Confused the New 2020 oil pump you showed on the bench Part# 62400236 is what my Harley dealer said is the upgrade for my 2017 Road glide special. But towards the end of your video. You show the Box with the part# 62400247 saying it is for the Oil cooled M8. So which part# is for my 2017 Road Glide special? Thanks, Fred

[@Scott-tw8go]

Hey Doc, I have a 2020 CVO Street Glide bought in 2019. I’m I guaranteed to have the updated oil pump?. Keep rocking it Doc, loved the videos!!!

[@noneofyodamnbidness6373]

Hey Doc! So, I have a 2020 HD CVO Tri Glide and im thinking about upgrading the cam, oil pump n plate, tippets, and push rods. What would you recommend for better torque on the low end?

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Harley offers mapping for the Torque Cam. Positive reports back from several Trike owners....I am sure there are Trike forums that promote other cams. The issue for me is there Software available in tuners for these cams in trikes? Also believe it or not Too Much torque can effect trike set up in frame, suspension and drive train....Doc

[@kevinfernandez3812]

Thanks Doc!!! Just what I wanted to know..

[@jefftilghman9059]

Doc, as always a very good video with an important message. But I've noticed over the year or so, you hardly ever talk about the Sportsters. Oh yeah, you mention Sportsters every now and then but I can't recall you ever doing a video about Sportsters. Why is that? I know you did a video a few months ago about oil level I enjoyed and learned from. P. S. I went back after making this comment and question and I found about 8+ videos All were very short with no sound except the lastest one about the oil level. What's s up with that. The reason I ask is because I own a 2015 Iron XL883N, I love. And I was hoping to learn a few tips or tricks about Spotsters. But I always enjoy your videos, except the ones with now sound/dialog.

[@HH-zi5ih]

Jeff Tilghman it’s because Harley’s base is almost all in touring bikes now, according to their sales. Road glides are outselling everything HD has, by a lot

[@120074]

Harley should recall 17 thru 19 and update the pumps before engine failure occurs. This pump would be less expensive to replace than a new motor, under warranty that is. Not betting this will happen lol

[@america1723]

120074 the old oil pump works good on a stock bike but any upgrades to the motor you should do the pump is what Hd is saying. Stop making a big deal out of this by saying let’s recall them.

[@lelap2239]

@@america1723 I just did a Stage II (picked it up last Sat) and the dealership never said a word about need to upgrade the oil pump at the same time.

[@america1723]

L Perkins that dealership is not up to date on their info. Any time a H-D certified tech goes in the cam chest for a cam swap or stage 2 and up should upgrade to the new pump. This is standard form the motor company.

[@lelap2239]

@@america1723 thanks for the info, I'm going to ask them about this.

[@rider14mcd63]

Why does HD not do this?

[@speedpig513]

Great video! thanks for sharing!

[@randybard224]

I have a twin cooled 131 If the oil pump is different From the oil cooled pump Can or should you add a oil cooler to the twin cooled model Or will this create a problem ?? Thanks

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

We have not tried adding an oil cooler to a twin cooled model. Not many are offered. In theory it should work. You realistically are just adding more oil capacity. In my opinion is a good thing…Doc

[@stevecucho]

so do i have the new oil pump 2021 tri glide ultra? liquid-cooled and does this new oil pump help keep the engine cooler

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Yes you have it. And yes to a point it helps by moving the correct amount of oil through the motor and back to the oil pan to cool….Doc

[@jamesatkins8821]

Thanks for the info I do have a 2020. So I should be alright

[@rogerrose8220]

Good stuff brah!

[@georgepierce3595]

Hey Doc, should we replace the cam plate as well?? Thanks for all you do!!

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

It would depend on mileage and wear. normally no...Doc

[@Dinoxt12]

Thanks for the info...why you should, WAIT at least 3 Model Years before buying a New Harley Engine, just look at all the corrections on the world famous M8 so far, lot of $$$ to be playing around with and on the 2017, 2018, 2019 M8's, what kind of resale value are you going to be able to get when you ready to trade-in or sell outright everybody knows about them? I'm holding onto my 2014 SGS for a couple more years before I might purchase a world famous M8.

[@michaelleeashba9219]

Is it recommended to replace the cam plate when upgrading the oil pump and just keeping the stock cam

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Yes for Twin Cam. M8 depends on the year and oil pump choice….Doc

[@michaelleeashba9219]

@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson 2018 ultra 107 Harley brand not sure it’s the 2020 upgrade model I think

[@michaelleeashba9219]

Damn reading down through the comments a hundred people asked the same question my bad. Thanks for the reply

[@powerman1972]

Shouldn't this be a recall item? Why should those of us with 2017-2019 M8's be forced to pay for something that clearly is a problem and should be taken care of by the Motor Co.

[@russellhueners8499]

If you are a long time harley customer(over 10 years), bitch and moan loud and long enough and you might get an "exception to policy" this would come from your dealerships service manager, he would be "backing" you with the motor company. I have done this in past,(not recently), it really depends on the customers "clout" and a service manager that knows how do get things done , in a larger picture. Also remember Harley has the rite to change things around in the interest of product improvment, they will allways do this, nothing new there. Happy trails.

[@jamesatkins8821]

If the don’t replace it for free then go to the S&S oilpump

[@wombat8882]

@@jamesatkins8821 The S&S pump and plate are generally considered to be better and may be worth buying for that reason, but if the reason you buy it is to save the $120 or so bucks on the H-D pump, may I suggest you price the S&S kit.

[@patrickzambori473]

No. Recalls are only for safety related issues.

[@Misty3133]

When I upgraded my 2017 with the S&S cam kit I went with a high volume oil pump.

[@Itsme-mx5tl]

Or scrap the Harley stuff and go with S&S cam plate and oil pump.

[@DanielMillan-l8u]

Can i pair a scramin eagle oil pump with s&s 475 cam on 2017 road gilde sp

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

I don’t see why not….Doc

[@shaggzzbdo4214]

on a 17 sgs any reason to replace the cam plate too? or just the oil pump

[@danielemery8961]

Love your vids Doc. Just wondering what is the shop time to replace the oil pump? Thanks

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Factory says one of there best mechanics can do it in 4.3 hours. HA! I would allow more time. Thanks ~ Doc

[@danielemery8961]

@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson THANKS Doc. My my local HD shop told me 8 hours and a shop 3 hours away quoted me 6.5 hours... I appreciate your response!!!

[@garybaldwin1061]

Maybe I’m missing something here. But nobody mentioned if this is for the softail models as well for the oil pump upgrade. Did the new model softails from 2020 onward to get the new oil pump.? I have yet to find anybody that can answer that question

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Yes, same part numbers for the oil pump and back plate for a 2021 Touring oil cooled and a Softtail….Doc

[@garybaldwin1061]

@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Thanks Doc...that's good to know.I just bought a 23 heritage 114 and I'm trying to know everything I can about it.

[@sumncguy]

THANKS DOC !!

[@pr5x]

Do these pumps retrofit on all Softails, I have a very early 2018, is the cam plate still the same or does that also need changing?

[@scottmcarthur2976]

Got to replace the oil pump! And while into it upgrade to a stage 2 kit, but not HD. S+S brand , cams, campplate + more in the kit! HD should pay for the oil pump at least! Is there a law suit out there I can join? It should be a recall to upgrade the faulty oil pump! Love my Street glide and installed a oil breather dipstick, oil breather out of the air intake preventing carbon buildup all home made + a tune, high flow intake and slip ons. Pisses me off that I had to bump up to a stage 2 because of a lousy oil pump.

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Its called Development and striving to make a better product. I don't think you and I would still want a Shovel oil pump in a 2020. If you feel this strong about HD products then by all means go completly aftermarket and find support on the road.....Doc

[@fxrst_anvers6976]

Hello doc Is the oil pump also in the 2020 anniversery fatboy thanks

[@JCHD18CVOLim]

Is this NEW pump a cure for "SUMPING"? See SB M1450, Sumping on Stage 3 & Stage 4 M8's? What is the part number for the twin cooled M8's?

[@daleezzell1385]

Is there a reason I would need to update other than if I go to a different cam?

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

Yes. this is for Sumping engine failure protection. Only this, and the feuling aftermarket pump are verified to fix this.

[@jmbman]

@@FranBunnyFFXII What about the S&S? Any idea about that one?

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

@@jmbman No The S&S pump does not address the issue, and a few engines with the S&S pump have sumped.

[@elton71737678]

Do I need to replace the cam plate and oil pump when installing a camshaft, in my new 2022, 117 harley, low rider sport? Your opinion on Gear drive camshafts? Can I use a gear drive cam with the stock Harley cam plate? Your choice between a Woods 222, and an S&S 475 cam? Lots of questions , I know, but where else can I get information from someone who really knows. Thanks for your help and opinions, Doc!

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Daniel I thankyou for your trust. for your questions about cam plates, gear drive and cams. please check out Baxter's garage KZbin channel. He is more of an expert and engineer. Another great soarce for Performance Information is Moonshine HD. They have dedicated their team to High Performance builds.....Doc

[@ironsteed5766]

Hey Doc..i have a 17 M8. Do i wait to swap out or is this needed now? So far no problems.

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Great to hear no problem. Carry on. The new pump is an option if needed. ~ Doc

[@michaelg4361]

What about the m8 head gasket failures that have been reported?

[@wb4514]

Can I up grade the pump and keep the OEM cam plate ?

[@beercanbrian1880]

In the meantime, I keep enjoying my 02 RKC after 19+ years and not missing a beat. Cam chain tensioner upgrade done. That's it. Sure is fun riding versus your bike needing this and that 'upgrade' sitting in the shop.

[@thomasdudka1871]

Typical ' Oh look at me response'..I am so happy that I have my twin cam and whoever bought a M8 must be feeling bad about their purchase now!! Almost like you are hoping people don't like the M8 and giddy about it!! Yet, even though you have an old TC, you are on a vid clearly directed at M8 owners clearly looking to chime in and gloat about it.. Hey all good. Enjoy what you have. I have had both and still do. I can assure you my M8 ain't sitting in the shop and I guess I will settle for the far superior performance and potential of it over my TC... And just a reminder, there are likely others that own Evos busting TC owners about their TCs..glad you are happy with your sled. No need to gloat about it and act like all M8 owners made bad choice. I for one do not have buyers remorse.. My thoughts..

[@beercanbrian1880]

@@thomasdudka1871 I don’t do “oh look at me.” I ride. That’s it. Enjoy your scoots.

[@thomasdudka1871]

Right on..

[@BigTruckRacing]

So having the 2019 m8 107 should I consider changing mine or am I good with the one already in it ?

[@craigbsrify]

I would like to to know the same thing on my 2019 Street Glide

[@spideliciousx9822]

Yup, 2019 Street Glide here too.... agree, nice to know I should/need to upgrade?

[@jeffreycarroll5920]

I am having a an S&S 475 cam kit put in mine. Will replace the oil pump and cam plate which are both a solid billeted aluminum Instead of the HD 2 piece welded together units.

[@donschlegel1972]

So 2017 to 2019 if you’re on a 2020 you already have this good oil pump true this

[@kevinquesnelle2213]

Hi Doc do you know if the early 2019 Harley-Davidson street glide 114 had that seal put in or just later models?

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

It is a guess depending on built date of your bike...Doc

[@kevinquesnelle2213]

I know the date was Dec 21 2018

[@jerryhubbard4461]

Doc, what couldn't HD catch this kind of stuff during testing before they put the M 8 in production? Is my 2021 safe or do I need to have the pump changed?

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Testing and Real World Riding can be two different things. Your 21 is good to go....Doc

[@jerryhubbard4461]

@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Thank you Doc

[@timhooks6423]

Should I change my oil pump on my 19 street glide special

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Is you bike stock and running well? If so NO..If you are going in to repair or modify YES....Doc

[@pharaohnile867]

Hi .is this new 2020 style oil pump work in a oil cooled m8 Harley or is it just for twin cooled bikes .

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Each has a separate part number for the model it will fit in. Go on HD Net for the part number for your model….Doc

[@pharaohnile867]

Ok thanks for your help👍

[@Pancho_o_argentino]

Hi Doc, would like to know if that kit is enough or the plate has to be changed too !!! TKS

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Cam Plate does not have to be changed...Doc

[@Pancho_o_argentino]

@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Tks Doc, one more question, can I replace oil pump without taking of the cam, pushrods, etc ?

[@roncoburn7771]

That’s what I don’t understand for the price of these new bikes and they haven’t nailed down the oil pump yet unbelievable. I have a drag specialties oil pump in my twin cam 88 and it carries awesome oil pressure the stock pump would not Hardly Carry any when hot

[@williamyoung3340]

I keep waiting for you to put out questionable information. Still waiting. You're on point as usual.

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Thanks for checking....Doc

[@dustinj2593]

Can I tell by the Vin number what pump I have?. Jun of 2019 is my build date

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

No VIN won't narrow it down. With a June Build date you are right on the edge. If it was mine I would take the cam cover off and see the part number on the oil pump....Doc

[@michalfrucz]

Hi DOC.I wants to buy my 1 HD brand new from dealer (in Poland). Do you recommend to modify something in the new M8 114 softail after purchase? (oil pump, ....etc.) many thanks

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

I recommend working with your dealer to keep your warranty..Doc

[@lm4tuna0461]

Hey Doc, I have a 2016 Softail Slim S, is there an oil pump issue with this year and model?

[@ChasCrewChief]

Big Daddy completely stock your pump is good. Add a Stage 4 think about oil pump upgrade.

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

No. No service bulletins for the Softail Twin Cam Models.

[@DG-fm6ti]

Thanks doc. I have a 2019 road king special, stock engine should be thinking of changing the pump or should I just leave it. No plans for for any motor up grades.

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

Upgrade it. Feuling's RACE pump and camplate, or the new 2020 oilpump and camplate. I suggest the harley one if you can.

[@DG-fm6ti]

FranBunnyFFXII It’s has a 5 year warranty, I I wonder if they’ll upgrade the pump.

[@BeadsbyNicole]

Leave it alone, if you have no symptoms of this.

[@FabryRock]

I Got a 2020 ultra ... 🤞🏻

[@GJM866]

My buddy had a 2018 M8 road glide. He was experiencing oil blow buy and having to add oil with only 6500 miles on the bike, warranty was over. He traded it in to a dealer, no questions asked. If the dealer doesn't do this upgrade, I feel bad for the new owner. Shame on Harley Davidson.

[@rick8910]

They are selling that 131 then recommend you update the oil pump, what the hell it should already have the new style pump.

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Rick this is a kit that fits several years. if you have a 17-19 you need the new oil pump but if you own a 21 why pay for another pump? Plus if you are investing that much in a 131 I would want a pump that make s it last....Doc

[@lenjames]

My 2019 RK Special is burning oil at 4200 and blowing oil on start up....guess this maybe why

[@DG-fm6ti]

What oil are you using in your 19 RK??

[@ctscantechnologist]

I put an S&S pump and cam in my 2018...

[@goodboyringo9716]

Harley wants you to install the new oil pump in Harley's new 131 engine . Don't forget , like Harley did !

[@larrys.3992]

That's just great!

[@johnmcneal3649]

Do u need a updated cam plate

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Depends on the year of your bike....Doc

[@jamespolucha6911]

Why doesn’t Harley-Davidson just make the oil pump like the S&S or zippers and end all there problems

[@juanz7908]

Will the dealer cover this as a warranty? Thank you

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

No, This is factory change not a repair....Doc

[@chip9832]

Good video

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Thanks...Doc

[@jeffreygraf3358]

Why doesn't the new pump come with the 131 motor. The 60/40 scavenger has been known to be inefficient in properly moving oil. Excessive engine wear has been the result. This should have been a recall part replacement.

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Thanks for sharing your opinions. Oil pump is not included because there are two pumps..one for oil cooled and one for twin cooled..Doc

[@SA-hk8xj]

Maybe HD should hv figured this stuff out before putting out the M8?? Sounds like the Twin Cam issues back in the day. HD came out with the new great motor, but didn’t figure the little issues that would cause BIG issues down the line ...again!!🤦‍♂️ And of course, Harley won’t assist the new owners in some sort of recall or paying for the parts and or labor to correct these issues. Harley is charging more $$ for the bikes, but STILL adds these “extra” fixes on the customers’ dime?? I don’t know HD, you are following too many of the auto manufacturers with either crappy engineering or crappy manufacturing...or both!? Really disappointing and unfortunately it’s becoming par for the course with you.

[@Itsme-mx5tl]

Stop making sense! Maybe they are thinking about this in 2020 since stocks and sales are slow!

[@ken481959]

Are you kidding? They won't own up to the bad cam bearings they've been installing for 40 years.

[@davidson2004fatboy]

LIKE USUAL , NOW IT'S YOUR PROBLEM to UPGRADE and SPEND EVEN MORE MONEY . AFTER SPENDING ALL that MONEY ON SUPPOSEDLY a BIKE WITH ALL the BEST PARTS. FUCKING BULLSHIT, I SAY ! HARLEY SHOULD BE PAYING for ALL these UPGRADES.

[@CycleRayinOK]

The people that work at the Harley dealerships will admit that HD builds new bikes so they can sell accessories and upgraded parts. Just look at all the cheap crap that's on a new touring bike. A wimpy horn, incandescent bulbs for the turn signals. Turn signals that are not run/turn/brake. And on and on. I'm looking at buying a 2019 FLHR, and the dealer was really pushing a "service agreement" pretty hard. It's not a maintenance agreement, it's an extended warranty with a $50 deductible. $15XX.xx for the first year. Now I know why the service agreement costs so much after watching this video.

[@djmysticalone321]

Harley needs to do a recall on this part

[@streetglid3718]

I have a new 2019 sgs with 4400 miles. 9 months old. Oil pump was failing and did not scavenge oil back to pump. Left it all in the top end. Bike needs pistons cylinders pump oil pan and valve seals. Warranty work. Not happy with HD at this point. HD should have fixed these bikes as they were being sold with the new pumps.

[@jamesatkins8821]

Hey Doc I have a 2020 M8 with a S&S 128 CI kit wii my oil pump be good enough for it

[@kingkrimson8771]

Notice the "S" word (sumping) isn't mentioned once...

[@Zohr123456]

sounds like we need to sue them.

[@michaelhallas6450]

Customers after group together and file a class action law suit,posting Bullitens instead of recalls on the oil transfer problem

[@Panzerlang]

"Might want to update the pump"...how about HD do it for fking free.

[@ut1004bp]

And we see the lack of commitment to quality and loyalty from Harley to their most important customers by not assisting the owners in some way, of these brand new, to near new bikes.. I'm embarrassed by Harley Davidson's behavior, and feel sorry for those that put their hard earned money and trust in that company.

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Please share your story. Your bike, History of riding with Harley. Bold comments from one so young. Was your videos the best in 2011 or have you improved over the years as HD has?

[@ut1004bp]

@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson Not sure you intended to reply to me..lol as I am likely the same age as you. I have no clue as to your reference to a 2011 video or your point.. My street bike experiences go back to 1982, a Vee Twin as a first bike, then inline 4s, Vee fours, 53 Panhead hardtail suicide shift, and many more up to today with two bikes currently in the stable, one a Honda Rune, the other a is Yamaha Stratoliner.. now weren't we talking about the M8?

[@dennytuma]

harley davidson the edsel of motorcycles

[@jeffreycarroll5920]

Pretty much tells ya that those of us with new 19’s that they figured out a scavenging Issue and fixed it on the 2020 models.....

[@davidson2004fatboy]

YEAH, and NOW HARLEY WANTS SOME MORE of YOUR MONEY

[@TheMetalmachine467]

I can't believe all the problems with the oil systems with the m8 even have problems with the piston oil injectors leaking starving the valve train of oil Glazing the cylinders causing blowby What happened harley-davidson supposed to be a motor Co

[@LowCountryHarleyDavidson]

Any time you feel like posting Facts I’m all ears….Doc