Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - SPOILER Talk

[@JeremyJahns]

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[@seamlessthorns9872]

PLZ MAKE A REVIEW ON THIS INDIAN HORROR MOVIE CALLED "TUMBBAD" (2018) I swear you will enjoy it.

[@Conner1252]

thanos was not the coolest character in infinity war. it was thor

[@Designsecrets]

It's a 7 out of 10.....I didn't like the ending, Wanda dying from falling stones.......or the bit with take her infront of her kids to scare them......just seemed like lazy story telling......they didn't nail the ending.....it was just cliche and boring

[@Designsecrets]

It also wasn't a horror movie.......far from it......

[@Designsecrets]

It also missed a cameo from Vision......he just didn't exist in this movie, and the kids didn't have any powers.....they could have stood up to her at the end with their powers etc

[@RinaJosscy]

What I really liked about killing the Illuminati was how all these smart people, really underestimated magic and the Scarlet Witch. Their hubris was their downfall.

[@HELMBREAKER47]

Well they felt too overconfident because their doctor strange ended up the same way. Except their doctor strange gave himself up after killing Thanos. They thought they could do the same.

[@bombappetit]

Kinda thought, when first introduced on screen, they're throwaway cameos soon to be killed off. Lo and behold, it happened. Although rather gruesomely done (for PG-13).

[@FlashmanJW]

Well their Wanda didn’t become the Scarlet Witch or have access to the Darkhold. Essentially she’s the Wanda Pre-Infinity War. Still powerful but no reason to think she could take them all out.

[@HELMBREAKER47]

@@FlashmanJW because she had her two kids that’s why lol otherwise she wouldve lost her shit like she did in the actual movie itself

[@cbrreezzyy69]

I really like how “the smartest man in the universe” tells Wanda exactly how they’re going to stop her. That was super “smart” of him.

[@Centaur987]

Wanda telling Reed that his children will still have a mother to raise them once he dies was just so cold. I loved it

[@I-speak-U-shut-it]

Love me too

[@terrencemcgarty6810]

Hopefully Emily Blunt is that mother...

[@dylandang7365]

She really made Invisable Woman into a widow

[@ChineduOpara]

Gave me goose bumps

[@bigt100]

That shii was extreme asf for no real reason

[@seb6220]

i cant stop thinking about that neck snap. honestly this movie had some of the craziest scenes ive seen in the MCU and im excited to see them break out of the MCU formula

[@macabre9484]

Hi it actually wasn’t a neck snap. If you watch the clip in slow motion online you can see that she actually rips his entire head off!!

[@bombappetit]

Spaghetti-fied Mr Fantastic got me.

[@ThecrazyJH96]

The mouth shutting and him screaming blowing his brains out was more disturbing

[@gtc7992]

loki😭

[@theemeraldpizza]

For me it was Blackbolt

[@chrisborakai8457]

Definitely had Invincible flashbacks when the heroes were getting slaughtered. Loved that Sam pushed the envelope of Disney’s PG ratings and gave us the horror and gore he could

[@GameReaper94]

I had that same reaction. Definitely gave me Omni-Man vs Guardians vibes

[@miketrapper0464]

Golden chainsaw is captain Carter nuff said

[@Alan-rx3uk]

@@GameReaper94 first thing I thought

[@PitBoss_90]

@@miketrapper0464 she really was a cut above the rest

[@miketrapper0464]

@@PitBoss_90 no doubt about that

[@hariharanjayashankar8932]

Also just a note, the temple where Wanda dies - when she initially came there she says "it's a throne not a tomb". But then at the end she dies in it, so it does actually become a tomb.

[@dawhandaonli5925]

Poetic.

[@randymcdoinks97]

good point

[@logmeinhere]

I highly highly doubt she died though. I just dont see MCU killing her, a major character, 'off screen'.

[@ywdw]

“Dies”

[@danielpeters2501]

LoL She's not dead at all

[@connoriquada5429]

One of the stand out bits in the whole movie for me was when strange was fighting his doppelgänger with literal music. Like physical musical notes. Shit was way more cool than it had any right to be. Loved it.

[@joshuachristopher5181]

Marvel has to be careful bc the writer is from Rick n morty. So that Illuminati scene reminds me of the episode of these defenders and drunk Rick just kills them so easily. Um… you can’t do that with beloved characters (Reed Richards, Charles X, etc.) bc ppl will get offended. It worked in that Rick n morty episode bc no one knows them so no one cares.

[@zakwilliamson4951]

@@joshuachristopher5181 no one got “offended”. If you get offended at the deaths of fictional characters then you have to take a long, hard look at yourself in the mirror lol. It was definitely underwhelming though

[@joshuachristopher5181]

@@zakwilliamson4951 agh. We dealing with comic book fans that take everything up the ass. And I didn’t say they was offended but I’m just saying be careful bc as a business you don’t wanna lose money. Shit, ppl lgbtq was offended that America didn’t admit she was lesbian.

[@letschatMwithJ]

I absolutely think that was the most cringy marvel fights I have ever seen

[@djs0undw4ve]

@@letschatMwithJ Couldn't agree more. This movie had amazing moments and some of the most cringe marvel has ever had.

[@LavenousForever]

I’m confused by people who think the Illuminati was wasted... maybe I’ve watched too much Rick and Morty, but them dying doesn’t matter 😅 there are infinite universes where we could see those characters again. It introduced the concept of this group and those people existing and now we could see all of those concepts in another universe. And the kills were awesome! Edit: just want to make it clear that I’m not saying you have to agree with me! I don’t think you shouldn’t dislike it, just that i can’t relate. You like and dislike what you want 😁

[@mtabby8791]

And that just creates lazy writing because anybody can die at anytime and it means nothing.. zero stakes zero consequences..

[@nizondontdrown7633]

@@mtabby8791 but that’s exactly how the comic are

[@nizondontdrown7633]

@@mtabby8791Dc did a whole live pole in they comics to kill robin killed robin then brought him back 😂😂😂 happens all the time

[@LavenousForever]

@@mtabby8791 not necessarily true. Because not every movie is a multiverse movie. Where we saw them die is not the universe we have watched for the mcu. Reid Richards could still exist there or there could be a stand alone movie that could technically be in another universe without acknowledging it. Then if they have to do a team up it would be like spiderman no way home. My point is it doesn’t matter because it was in a random universe we’ll probably never go back to so they weren’t wasted. The Dr strange from that universe even killed an entire other universe. Meaning he probably killed all of our favorite avengers too. Did that matter to you? Maybe a little but not even close to the level of them getting dusted in infinity war. That’s basically what them dying in this universe was like

[@commandershepard7110]

Yes but it could have been an insane fight seem

[@MissKashira]

I loved her as a villain. I just felt like we needed a few more steps between, "I accidentally hurt people in my grief" and "I'm willing to murder a child and my alternate self in case one of my stolen kids catches a cold." Like maybe a movie where she's willing to go further and further before we get to the milking kids for their magic.

[@DarthRevan260]

She is affected by the Darkhold book, it corrupted her and twisted her thoughts. It was enough to switch from "I accidentally hurt people in my grief" and " I'm willing to murder a child for my kids"

[@MissKashira]

@@DarthRevan260 Yeah, they needed to do more to show how badly it affected her. Without that explanation it feels like a major jump from the end of Wandavision to MoM.

[@akgonen60]

I agree.. I.felt like her ending was rushed Little.more fillers and it would have been half way decent But the sheer plot as you described it just didn't give me a reason to feel her pain and watch her go boserk and murder literally everyone was awesome but it's like that plot that makes me.think twice if I wanna watch it again lol

[@jdfraed123]

Yeah as a villain, the weird cadence and not quite good acting aside, Wanda doesn't have a presence that is frightening or a motivation that I care about.. her kids..? Whooooaaaa!

[@MrinfinityLT]

The thing is... they had a different movie planned for dr strange and she was not supposed to be a villain, yet. But script writer thought "nah she is too cool I want to make her a villain and dont want to leave that for other writer" or something like that. True story. So they scratched away the intended script and wrote this.

[@Ichsukatanuka]

I loved the horror elements, Wanda was legit terrifying lol, like a super powered serial killer. Zombie strange using dead souls for power was dope and metal af

[@pranavkottur9031]

Exactly my thoughts

[@Peanut_Butter135]

Especially the part when she appeared behind that guy then whispered "Run". I got chills.

[@miketrapper0464]

Wanda was an awesome looking horror monster

[@bentaylor4948]

Yep I legit went “metal was fuckkkk”

[@Thunderboom5]

This was the closest the MCU got to a horror movie. The entire second act was like something out of an 80's slasher fic, with an unstoppable killing machine coming after the heroes who can only run away and hope she doesn't catch time. I loved it.

[@Grimmsect]

Exactly. We totally saw Wanda as a Jason Vorhees/Terminator style archetype. Incredible horror style antagonist.

[@pranavkottur9031]

Yeah fr. It was awesome, Wanda was awesome

[@andrewwilliamomliejr3972]

When I was watching this I was like if the MCU got away with this then Morbius could've been like this too

[@High_Key]

Like a combo of Carrie and Jason Voorhees

[@miketrapper0464]

@@Grimmsect she reminded me more of the conjuring , the ring or even Pennywise because she’s more supernatural a witch she is

[@barrington5438]

I liked how unpredictable and powerful she was. Like there was a horror feel when it came to her chasing people down. Her powers being so versatile helped with that.

[@joekaput747]

Raimi got to flex his muscles!

[@shiyamkhaledchowdhury6516]

Yeah totally loved WandaVision season 2.

[@outlateat4m696]

@@shiyamkhaledchowdhury6516 more like WandaStrange

[@omarreyes7626]

Right? even a superhero team couldn't hold her down, and man the way she came out of the reflection trap, her movements as she did magic the fact she had god tier power, you could see how defenseless strange and wong when confronting them.

[@kianhunt1740]

100% agree

[@blakecraft8750]

Was not expecting that Stark impression, nicely done Jeremy nicely done.

[@blackwolfdavinci575]

That shit was on point!! Thought I was the only one that peeped how good it was lol

[@tweetlova]

Yea that shit was great lmao

[@mohammedsaud145]

Ikr

[@theYear_project]

Right lol one of the best impressions I’ve ever heard

[@44briggs]

We haven’t had a legitimate hero character become a villain in the MCU and I dug it. She’s relatable and terrifying throughout the whole experience.

[@Crichjo32]

She's like the reverse Loki,where he started of evil and gradually became a lovable rogue or anti hero. Wanda started off as a misled good person with crazy powers to become a full fledges psycho in this movie.

[@ALEXBIGBLUE]

I agree with both of you, I loved her as the villain here, and it was the right way to go after Wandavision because she was definitely a villain already, inslaving an entire town tends to cause that lol.

[@peterparker9954]

She was straight up evil

[@StardustX24]

They are fake kids. Her killing people for fake kids isn’t good writing. If they were real kids…yes.

[@peterparker9954]

@@StardustX24 then how is she having real kids in other universes ?

[@machtwo_]

they did with Wanda what I've wanted to see with Phoenix this whole time. we saw her absolutely unhinged and tearing everything in her way to shreds. I love what they did with her. easily my favorite villain so far.

[@darkphoenix1836]

I wish someday we can get a good Dark Phoenix story showed in film that's actually good.

[@digitalreplicant8147]

That was my first thought walking out of the movie. That would have been a great Dark Phoenix.

[@MyZ001]

@@darkphoenix1836 One of the problems so far is everyone tries to rush to the Dark Phoenix story cause the popularity of it. But, there's a whole Phoenix saga that's need to setup the Dark Phoenix saga. Without that, it's just another "hero turns villian" story.

[@darkphoenix1836]

@@MyZ001 100% agree. The great thing with the MCU films is they take their time and set things up within each movie. Took at least 4 movies to set Thanos up.

[@MrFIRESEAL117]

I felt she had "plot magic" to a stupid degree. I kept thinking "why cant strange stop her?"

[@takeshikovacks6708]

Black bolts death imo was one of the most brutal I’ve seen in ages. Not necessarily gruesome and violent in show, but I think more concept, just pure brutality

[@datboiashy2957]

While it was brutal, it literally made no sense for Reed to expose Bolt's power. But the movie plot has to continue somehow

[@takeshikovacks6708]

@@datboiashy2957 absolutely agreed unfortunately, for every good there is a few bad.

[@johnniewaiker6203]

@@datboiashy2957 may be he wanted to show mercy and they were definitely to arrogant about taking on Wanda.

[@dagger0374]

@@datboiashy2957 I see it as them being merciful and underestimating powers of a witch. I don't remember if they knew she had power of the darkhold (or whatever it's called) but even I didn't know she could change someone else's body like that. Her powers have never been explained well, which I see as a bigger negative than this one moment.

[@takeshikovacks6708]

@@dagger0374 that was probably my biggest gripe with the scene, I knew she could warp reality to an extent, but I didn’t know she could just delete someone’s mouth. A simple scene when she first met strange where she says something about the dark hold giving insight into her true power of being able to manipulate reality, and she slowly getting grips on it, that would at least explain the sudden reality removing powers.

[@taylorhayes6875]

Creepy limping Wanda hunting them down in the sewer was straight gold! She was a good villain that no one could reason with except her kids. Awesome

[@jml5100]

Except it made no sense. Why didn't she levitate instead of limp?

[@Aaron-qe9ms]

She also forgot she could fly in that scene.. Another blow to common fucking sense for a "cool looking" scene. Also, at the end of the chase when they went through the nexus, why didn't anyone just, I dunno.. Close the door to the nexus, so she couldn't follow them? Most powerful wizard in the cosmos, and he can't close a door so they have more time with the book..

[@Shrek2OnDVDinHD]

Except they didn’t close the fucking door after them

[@infinitybelt]

"Know that everything that's about to happen...is still...me...being...reasonable". I absolutely loved Wanda as the villain. Scarlet Witch is easily one of the most powerful entities in the comics, and this movie finally showed the depth of her abilities. They fucking actually did it, that turn was unexpected and appreciated.

[@metallicnole4514]

I'm glad that the mcu took wanda into full villain mode and even let her savagely kill people. It was such a bold move.

[@shawnboahene5231]

Sorry but I gotta disagree. Turning heroes evils is overplayed and cynical. It’s shows that she’s learned nothing from the west view incident. To turn a character who was ready to sacrifice her lover to save the universe to a powermad selfish villain is a downgrade and one of the worst ways to send her off

[@infinitybelt]

@@shawnboahene5231 overplayed and cynical? I'm not sure how when Marvel movies have literally never taken an established hero and torn them down in such a way. You say cynical, I say refreshing. You say overplayed, I say bold as hell. Wanda was not in a good place at the end of WandaVision, not even close. If what you saw was her learning from her mistakes and then going back to being an avenger, then you weren't paying attention. WandaVision was about her dealing with Visions death and eventually letting him go. But even though she let him go, she couldn't let her kids go. She undid the spell, sure, but she definitely was not happy about it. We see her holding the Dark Hold at the end (which now we know) searching other universes where her kids still exist. Wanda's grief was not just one step, and this movie shows that. WandaVision was not about her making a simple mistake and then correcting it, it was a glimpse at what someone with so much power could do in such a stage of grief. It was a glimpse of what Wanda is capable of and how far sge would go for her own happiness. At her core, the Wanda we see in this movie, is just a mother who has lost her children and wants them back. Wanda is driven mad by her own desires and acts selfishly and wrecklessly. For those that love the character we have seen all these years, it's kind of tragic and that's why I appreciated it. Everyone thought they'd simply team up, but we got was way more nuanced and exciting then I, and many others, could have imagined. Scarlet Witch is not always the hero and it was awesome to see it here.

[@aeri_taylors-version]

@@infinitybelt in my head i can only think of the sentence “grief is not linear” and i can’t explain wanda’s motive more than that, so i really appreciate you putting my thoughts into words

[@infinitybelt]

@@aeri_taylors-version a very concise and eloquent way of putting it. You are most welcome.

[@alexlazzerly3677]

"I love you in every universe" is probably the cheesiest line I ever heard, but somehow it worked for me in the movie. Raimi does unrequited love really well.

[@dranillaasrapti9333]

Yeah its cheesy for me too, but thats coming from Strange who in every universe cant be with Kristine, either she dies in every possible way or get married to someone else.... Yknow that hurts, but thankfully, Clea is here

[@alexlazzerly3677]

@@dranillaasrapti9333 Yeah that's exactly why it resonated with me. It felt less like a romantic line and more like a tragic one. The fact that he's in love with her in every reality and yet they can never end up together. I thought it really humanized Strange.

[@brianlightman7]

Trust me it will become a meme

[@treycallerman6514]

@@brianlightman7 Everything becomes a meme now.

[@benzaiten933]

it was very cheesy indeed but for Strange it indeed has been a big character moment. he also didn't say it because he expected Christine to be with him or love him back romantically but he wanted to be honest with her and say what he couldn't before, even knowing he was far too late.

[@KikBlava]

Xavier quoting himself from Days of Future Past was so brilliant it was the most relevant quote. Just because someone stumbles, loses their way doesn't mean they're lost forever. I adored that. :D

[@tmac731]

I forgot which movie that was from. Thanks

[@jethroyuen8750]

I was vibrating of excitment and nerdiness during that line

[@TheMadSicilian]

I’m sorry i didn’t fuckin buy it. The whole Fuckin thing was dogshit

[@jaybe2k12]

Love that Prof X was in this. It also helps fix some of the issues with that Fox X-Men universe, now that those are technically connected. The fact that there is a multiverse and variants helps explain the discrepancies and plot holes/inconsistencies between the Singer-verse Vaughn and Logan

[@HistoryBluff137]

I loved that. I love that his first instinct wasn't to beat Wanda but to help her.

[@ordained1023]

Personally, I'm glad they went all out to make her a villain. I hate when they half-commit to something because that leads to no stakes. I also like how there wasn't really any redemption for her. She did horrible things and then, once she realized it, took the easy way out by (supposedly) killing herself. That's what actual villains do. I liked it.

[@Nightraven26]

Thing is, all of it could be prevented if (if there are infinite realities with infinite combinations) she went to a reality where Wanda died fighting Thanos but had children before that, she could’ve replaced the mother they lost. But then we wouldn’t have this great movie.

[@epiccthulu]

She became “Thanos” in a way. Cycle of violence right there.

[@neondemon5137]

@@Nightraven26 Nah, she's totally insane, she wouldn't stop there.

[@andrewadams8601]

I feel like they made it pretty clear that she was also corrupted by her usage of the darkhold. I'm not saying that was the whole reason that she became a villain in this, but I think she was already in a really dark place after mind controlling that whole town. Then she starts studying the darkhold and it begins corrupting her desire to find a way to be with her children into someone who will just kill anyone to get to someone with the ability to cross universes. Then that's not enough because she wants the power for herself so she can cross universes whenever she wants, just in case. Finally, she's so corrupted that she decides she should rule everything. In the beginning even she partly recognized her corruption, which was why she talked about how sending the demon for America was the merciful option.

[@Pdrock2001]

She has a female evil archetype which rather that acting outwards it bursts like a star and creates a black hole if you know what I mean .

[@jflores85]

When Xavier mentioned forgiving friends after their follies, he was referencing Magneto. So badass.

[@katsasgeorge]

Well . . . This was verbatim from DOFP.

[@manavbhalla2861]

He actually said the same exact line in DOFP and it was meant for Mystique.. so no

[@ispeakfacts186]

This emovie has soo many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@jflores85]

@@ispeakfacts186 they should have did the 3 hour edit

[@ispeakfacts186]

@@jflores85 Gonna whine and try to defend these facts snowflake? I’ll have a bottle and pacifier waiting for ya 😘🤣. This movie was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@labmeeting]

So many moments in this movie - some really bad and others unquestioningly incredible. Bottom line: the MCU gave us something different and I can't help but support that.

[@Diego-xz3yc]

What were the bad moments in your opinion?

[@NiteF0X]

Sheep

[@Nai_101]

@@NiteF0X elaborate

[@Nai_101]

@@Diego-xz3yc i'm wondering, too

[@waniman4433]

@@Diego-xz3yc the kids singing about ice cream and how they just ran to the back of the stairs to get away from 616 wanda

[@sergioballes]

Just a note: When Loki let's say "activates" the multiverse, it's not from that point on, strictly speaking. By killing that Kang, no one will take care of the multiverse happening, so the multiverse CAN happen in prior times from the timeline. So, in a way, when Loki activated the multiverse, it happened in a way as it has always existed. Don't know if I'm making myself clear LOL

[@meris8486]

It's okay the rules don't make sense anyway

[@Tra5h_boat6368]

I get what your saying. Because that place where Kang was exists beyond time, the multiverse is now open across ALL of time

[@LagusLykamo]

I also see it as the Multiverse was already happening (that's why there were variants) , but Kang just isolated the 616 universe from all others until he died.

[@badcaseofthebajabada]

Nah that’s well explained.

[@drizzo4669]

I agree completely. The TVA was located "outside of time" so there is no point in time when it happened. It affected all timelines. past present and future are just a matter of perspective "seen from where you are standing ". Its not as much a rule as it is a road.

[@usualblokeluke]

Wanda as the villain felt like a genuine continuation of her grief from WandaVision. She got over Vision but she never got over her sons not being real. She rode the line between relentless psychopath and innocently in pain brilliantly with phenomenal acting by Elizabeth Olsen. She's honestly what I believe to be the best part of this film.

[@George-bb9kr]

I mean I’d disagree. She pretty much got over her grief by the end of wandavision at least to the point where she’s slaughtering people cuz of it. She was more psychopath than innocently in pain. I agree Olsen was amazin and she’s perfectly casted but the material was lacking.

[@thats4thebirds]

@@George-bb9kr truly do not understand this OPs take lmao. At the end of wandavision she was unambiguously committed to learning her powers but accepted that she had done a bad thing and wanted to be different. This movie she just absolutely goes beyond that without a look.

[@tux75]

Man that scene with Morbius jumping out of the portal while saying his famous line, “It’s Morbin time” was a masterpiece. It really made me think why the political economical status of our world correlates with Morbius. Truly a masterpiece

[@nandotemplo]

I just didn't understand why he was wearing lingerie in that scene. Maybe someone who's read the comics can tell me why.

[@GoopieG]

Spoiler warning pls!!

[@The_Real_Black_Jesus]

I can never understand why people keep making this joke across these videos.

[@tommyvasquez2708]

@@nandotemplo he was just method acting

[@Cloudaddy220]

@@The_Real_Black_Jesus cause the movie was B A D

[@strider3164]

I actually liked how they defeated the villain. Especially when the main villain asks, “rent???” Then Toby as Spider-Man swings in saying, “you’ll get your rent when you fix this damn door!” Kind of a clever way to defeat the big villain IMO.

[@chaw3214]

Yeah I think the way they did in the movie was much better than a cop out alternative method of using the deus ex machina book. That would've been a jail free card to defeating the baddie.

[@DamjanPlamenac]

I liked it when the waiter asked Dr.Strange"how's the pie?" And strange cums on his knee and says "so good"

[@jesseperez4185]

I'm I the only one who thought The writing for scarlet witch was complete dogshit. It Ruined the movie for me, on top of that America gets to use her power just by saying believe in yourself after doctor strange told her that at the start. urhhh

[@ThatGuyThai]

@@jesseperez4185 so actually having read the script, its serviceable. The direction was botched because its another case of 2 movies Frankensteined together.

[@personM4N]

"You'll get your rent when you fix this damn doorbius, Morbius!" and then Jared Leto's Morbius flies in

[@whitedenzel6967]

Wanda is one of if not the best MCU villains. Her entire story from AOU to WandaVision was a perfect fall rise and fall. She is clearly one of the most powerful villains we have ever seen in the MCU and I hope that they explore that more in future movies. She carried this movie

[@ispeakfacts186]

This emovie has soo many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@RealParadoxed]

Wah

[@dragoon1090]

@@ispeakfacts186 I disagree.

[@ispeakfacts186]

@@dragoon1090 Gonna whine and try to defend these facts snowflake? I’ll have a bottle and pacifier waiting for ya 😘🤣. This movie was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@bruh-_-7475]

She’s a good villain but not the best

[@coreysleep8922]

Overall really liked Wanda, though it felt a bit "quick" - for both her turns. Would love to see if that 2h40m cut changed things at all.

[@leodouskyron5671]

Had you seen the WandaVision series? It made sense because Wanda really looked like she had continued from the results of that series. The end was what I thought would break her - no vision, her babies hate her and she became as destructive as Stark’s weapons.

[@paveantelic7876]

yea the 3rd act was not long enough

[@286mic]

The movie suffered from poor pacing. Definitely needed another 40-ish mins

[@tanyakopel]

@@leodouskyron5671 Agreed. Also, the post credit scene of the series was literally Wanda projecting a fake self that's enjoing the simple life while secretly studying the Darkhold

[@NoahIsNeon]

It was incredible to see members of xmen, avengers, f4, and inhumans together on the big screen and that scene where black bolt screams his brains out was straight out of something like kill the marvel universe

[@Koi-dusa]

@Big Spill ?

[@jonahnesmith7004]

@Big Spill what are you on about?

[@jonahnesmith7004]

@Big Spill after seeing your profile picture, I'm really not expecting nuance or tact. You seem stuck in 2014 Gamergate youtube

[@schmingbeefin4473]

@Big Spill So you're telling me someone can't have same sex parents? They didn't even hang on it two long, it's one scene and they're even referred to as just "parents" and not "mothers" afterwards. It's perfectly done to just feel... natural. Are you just... that stuck up your ass that a tiny scene showing something normal gets you all worked up?

[@clkgtr12]

@Big Spill based af, corny mothers and shit

[@benwasserman8223]

Seeing John Krasinski as Mr. Fantastic was one hell of a “Holy shit they actually fan-casted that” moment. Idk if this is just a one-off casting or they bring him on for the real film, but fingers crossed. Especially if they get Emily Blunt for Susan Storm.

[@user-ey4ut9uc8w]

I was excited for it but it honestly seemed kinda off. Idk, provably just me

[@cjisrael901]

I really hope it isn’t a one off casting. I feel like that would be really stupid of them if they cast someone else in the main universe as Mr Fantastic. Fans will riot lol

[@sunfade]

at first i didn’t want him as reed richards because fan casts usually suck like dylan o’brien as spider-man, donald glover as miles morales, and keanu reeves as adam warlock or wolverine. after seeing krasinski in the role though, i’m sold. although i really hope they don’t bring in emily blunt as sue storm

[@NhemLee]

@@user-ey4ut9uc8w nah seem. Felt like I was watching a fan video. But I liked the movie overall

[@bullymaguire3614]

@@sunfade wtf just the same thought Jinx vro

[@BerserkerCade77]

Reed: “Wanda, Black Bolt can destroy you with one whisper from his mouth” Black Bolt:😏 Wanda: “what mouth” Black Bolt: 😶

[@Stryfe52]

He has no mouth, but he must scream!!

[@HafidzMurshidie]

Black Bolt: * tries to scream * 🤯

[@eraart7234]

Dude, when she busted out of the freakin' Mirror Dimension like Pennywise, I knew she was OP lol. Freakin' loved her as the villain. Dr. Strange and Wanda were always my favorite Avengers. Magic characters just do it for me.

[@sahilsehdev4235]

Love the fight sequence between mordo and strange, each of them having one power-dampener cuff so they have to engage in hand to hand combat. That was so sam raimi, having an in-camera fight sequence in a VFX heavy film. Reminded me of the end fight sequence in raimi’s 1st Spiderman. I really want Raimi to direct more films, his style is phenomenal and a breath of fresh air

[@simos6jipros154]

Honestly I hated that scene. Dr Strange's hands are broken and only work normally because he uses magic to keep them fixed. Without his magic any damage on his hands would result in him experiencing excruciating pain. He should have never been able to punch Mordo

[@bigmastermind1]

Hated it. A waste of those few minutes. Mordo was wasted.

[@Alex_Logan22]

Spider-Man’s end fight is on a whole other level from that crappy fight.

[@robhousehold]

The music for that fight was the best in the movie imo. 80s electric guitar was kinda weird, & off tone though. Besides the xmen theme briefly there lol. Very good scene.

[@thecommentschannel3548]

@@simos6jipros154 Hands worked fine, they just treembled and that made it a problem for surgery, otherwise they are fine.

[@dapperdabber13]

*Wanda:* is a literal murderer *Wanda stans:* you're doing great sweetie

[@theeviloverlord7168]

She is doing great! …At being a mass murderer!

[@magnamic5614]

Wrong. We would be more excited. Think when the Collector yells, “MAGNIFICENT!” In Infinity War. That’s us Wanda stans lol!

[@Mateocabrera2389]

Don’t Star Wars fans do the same with Vader?

[@dapperdabber13]

@@Mateocabrera2389 absolutely not. we understand where he comes from but no one excuses Anakin's actions. You're hell delusional if you think that we do. There's a whole video called the dark side of anakin skywalker and all the comments are like "Yeah did no one think to get him help" or "the jedi order so screwed him up" or in general pointing out his anger and why he was so pissed and how it was justified." but generally agree that he isn't to be excused from his actions. There are reasons for them. But no excuses.

[@larrycap2946]

@@dapperdabber13 dont even bother to argue with wanda fanboys, you be wasting your time lol

[@sofarsogood9578]

One thing I noticed in both Dr. Strange movies is that the ending (or big threat) solution is never through battle but smartness. First movie had the brilliant "Dormammu I come to bargain" loop whereas this one has the Wanda facing herself from another universe to understand what she become. It's a nice touch on both movies.

[@jessecortez9449]

Wanda facing what she was truly doing was probably the most powerful moment but likely the most underrated moment because it wasn't a display of powers. I honestly didn't care about demons attacking, flinging themselves across multiple universes or their universe about to be wiped out but I absolutely loved that they showed the boys terrified by Wanda trying to take their mothers place and her realizing she is continuing a cycle of pain and trauma.

[@notmyrealpseudonym6702]

I agree. It is such an eastern concept of non-anatgonism and non-competiveness and letting the other's nature be their "undoing".

[@benzaiten933]

I very much agree with you! that's why I really like the third act or final 'battle' in both movies so much, in the first one Strange used his head and a clever trick to make Dormammu go away and in the second movie Strange used his humanity and trust in America. Strange didn't kill America/taking her powers, but trusted her to control it so America was in turn able to show Wanda what she had become.

[@sofarsogood9578]

@@jessecortez9449 great input. I would even add that in case she died for real at the end, its a great closure to her character same way Strange from the Illuminati let the others kill him because he acknowledged he was out of control.

[@Relugus]

Hugely disappointing that Chthon was clearly controlling everything but we never saw him.

[@Penzig]

Wanda as a villian was perfect. It's perfect because it sucks to "see her go", but at the same time, she deserves to be seen as the villain. She did some next level villain stuff in WandaVision, but she "got away with it". It was brushed over completely and made into humor, and even supressed by the show having "the real villain" (Agatha). Well, not to the people of Westview. Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness gave justification to what has already happened, and with a character we already like. And when you like the bad guy, the movie becomes so much better. Sort of a cheap pscychological trick to just turn a good guy into a bad guy for that effect, but it's 100% justified, and trick or not - it works. My minor criticism is that the flipperoo at the end when she realized her mistakes, and not only stops but tries to kill herself - was a bit rushed. It doesn't make sense to me that she would give up like that, when there are millions of other multiverses where she could try to be with her kids, and they might not see her as a monster. But what do I know. Im not a mother (or father) 8-)

[@grim_2000]

The point there was not "oh, they see me as a monster, what do I do now" (just go to a different universe). Through that interaction she had a moment of self-realization. That's why Wanda kills herself, cause she realized that she *did* turn into a monster, even though she was saying otherwise.

[@jsnel9185]

She realized the woman she became was not the mother of her children. She had become the very thing a mother wishes to protect her children from. It wasnt about what THOSE kids thought of her, it's about what she suddenly saw herself as: the villain.

[@Penzig]

@@jsnel9185 Sure sure, but Im still not onboard. She could have stopped being a monster, instead of killing herself (allegedly), no? I mean, her motivation for everything she did was wanting to be with her kids, and any personal self realization doesn't cancel out any of that, as far as I can make sense of things. If perhaps her core motivation was centered around how she was the hero, then realizing you are the bad guy would warrant a switcheroo. But she didn't. If anything, she seemed quite aware that her actions was of the "not so good kind" all along, she just didnt care, because being with her kids was so important. She has the power and tools to try again, and again, just as less of a monster - but suddenly didnt want to try that anymore, because she realized she was a little bit more of monster than she already knew she was? Thus suicide? Naah..

[@AListProductions]

Personally I don’t feel they were wasted. Solid fan service in the multiverse, to showcase how powerful Wanda is. I have a feeling this just opens the doors for future stuff with X-men/previous actors etc. I’m happy they did it. Also with it being multiverse their could be 400+ other versions of the Illuminati that aren’t or wouldn’t be killed by Wanda out there. I understand not everyone will agree

[@ianbruno237]

Nah you’re exactly right, I feel like because people care more about the movies they forget about the comics…where heroes come back every time they die and there is alternate versions of characters across space. Won’t be the last time you see any of these characters

[@davidmoss-solomon6183]

“Fan service “ doesn’t mean good movie

[@imanoldurango8213]

I really wanted them to show off a little of Reed Richard’s powers so that we could get a glimpse of what his combat will look like in the fantastic four movie but I guess they chose not to use his powers at all in the slightest on purpose.

[@_YourFlyIsOpen]

The waste of the characters is the issue, the power scaling was on point though Wanda could absolutely do what she did no problem.

[@ianbruno237]

@@_YourFlyIsOpen i mean did they waste strange cause the movie is called dr strange 2. Not reed Richards captain marvel or prof x you know. Atleast we got another dr strange movie made by Sam raimi and when fantastic four marvels or X-men comes out they will have all have the spotlight

[@isaboll1]

Jeremy, you're misunderstanding "Kang's" goal in Loki. Kang wasn't stopping the multiverse, he was putting an end to each universe that led to another version of himself, by removing stuff that would cause that butterfly effect through the TVA. He also removed stuff that could lead into incursions or "multiversal wars". Sylvie killing Kang (or more accurately "He who remains") means that any universe that could lead into a version of the bad Kang, with all of those downsides, or anything that would lead into a multiversal war, are now left unchecked. So the multiverse has always existed, including Toby and Andrew's respective universes, branched timelines, etc. It's just that any universe within the "multiverse" that would lead into one of those two things are now allowed to continue in a negative direction, instead of being corrected before it gets to that point.

[@jasonhebert1656]

Was about to say this

[@christopherbowers7236]

also since loki's actions were outside of time, now things have technincally ALWAYS been that way

[@adamingram04]

Yeah, I saw it more as him isolating his universe from all others. So the others are out there, it’s just that branching timelines will never reach them

[@miname262]

I think there’s also a difference between timelines and other universes. I think each universe can have multiple timelines but a different timeline in itself isn’t another universe. America can’t travel timelines, the TVA can’t travel the universe (I’m guessing). I think that’s an important distinction.

[@isaboll1]

@@miname262 The differences between the two are relatively thin however. The most important difference is that universes have larger more distinct differences compared to timelines, which contain smaller differences at certain points. But the basis behind them are similar enough. This can be seen with Loki and Sylvie, they are different people due to the timeline diverging, but only slightly, where as strange and his different universe counterparts similarly diverge, however so does the rest of their universes in massive ways.

[@shoutmaster101]

Wanda was the first MCU villain to make me think while watching: "That's a scary bitch." Great performance and her being OP from that book being able to alter reality like she could led to very creative and thrilling scenes. One particularly bad one, but was heavily outweighed.

[@shashavengesayi6055]

Exactly, I didn’t realize how powerful she truly was.

[@Wxtsername]

Which scene was particularly bad?

[@shoutmaster101]

@@Wxtsername In my opinion, I thought the tunnel scene just before getting to the good book dimension lost me after that last quiet moment. It seems to me that the crew's bag of tricks ran out and they just made Wanda turn a corner in front of the three. The creativity that I saw in things like Wanda's first attack and the mind battle between her and Xavier just wasn't there. Like I said though, it was outweighed.

[@peterparker9954]

But it should have ended with Doctor Strange becoming OP and beating Wanda's butt and then show her the reality of her kids being scared of her Could have been an extremely satisfying film if not for making doctor Strange a weak character in the film

[@shoutmaster101]

@@peterparker9954 I seriously do not understand this criticism (edit: I do now, and it's just misogyny). The dude took over a corpse of himself in another dimension, harnessed actual demons, and wrecked shop until he had to fight one of, if not the strongest person in the multiverse at that time. America couldn't even do it, and she was punching holes in the universe itself. Strange was not weakened.

[@dakid40777]

Kinda trippy wanda was walking around looking like carrie from the 2013 version with the blood on her face yet moving and glowing eyes like that brightburn kid brandon.loved it

[@jonathank7880]

I went into this movie completely blind, and I think I’m gonna try and do that from now on. I gasped when I saw Charles on screen, and the people next to me looked at me like I lost my mind. No trailers, no spoilers 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@RealtyWebDesigners]

Agree.. I'm going to do the same.

[@captainnwalps6689]

I knew from the first trailer he was in it but even then hearing the ‘97 X-men theme kick in was amazing

[@Paul20661]

that's awesome would have been great to now know about him,still,gotta love seeing people's reactions :D I work at a cinema,will enter the venue when that's happening 😂

[@mattmack7102]

film trailers are a must miss for me, they spoil films soo much nowadays it’s really a shame

[@cmiller1300]

From now on ima just watch the first initial trailer then no more, what I did today and it made shit so much better

[@dreiaycardo]

What I love was the fact that one of the key reasons why the Illuminati fell was that they could not trust Doctor Strange. I like how they addressed the risk of Doctor Strange wielding too much power and what would happen when he goes unchecked. They also address Doctor Strange's personality, which is that no rule is too big to break if it could achieve what he believed to be the greater good. They were totally justified in not trusting Strange from Earth 616, but it's that distrust and subsequent underestimation of Wanda that ultimately got them killed.

[@NCMonefaith]

Eh not really. I mean they had a telepath who could instantly read his mind and see that Strange was telling the truth. But bad writing has to push the plot forward.

[@OscarASevilla]

@@NCMonefaith the point isn't if he is or isn't telling the truth about himself not being a threat or wanda being a bigger threat. The point is Dr strange is unpredictable, as he will go through any lengths to do something "for the greater good." By the way, Charles did already suspect and know this strange was different. When wanda breaks in and attacks the facility, they all go, except for Charles, who stays and tells Strange "if you do happen to escape, protect America chavez," which is Charles basically saying "I know you're going to escape. And I know you're good. Save the girl"

[@dreiaycardo]

@@NCMonefaith I feel like Charles already had checked inside his mind. I think that even were Professor X to peruse Strange's entire mind and subconscious, he would still find the same thing in 616 Strange that he did with his Strange. The intention is pure and there was no deception detected. But intention is very different from the outcome, and its already established that even 616 Strange is willing to break certain rules in order to achieve what he believed was the greater good. I guess by then, they all agreed that the greater good isn't worth the means that he would use to get there.

[@certainperson9869]

@@OscarASevilla "The point is Dr strange is unpredictable, as he will go through any lengths to do something for the greater good." what a profound perspective about this plot point. thought provoking.👍

[@hades8610]

This movie had a lot of horror moments that got me but when Wanda snapped Professor X’s neck the way she did I was really shocked.

[@tommenno]

The secret end credit scene we all wished was in Picard...

[@KawaiiNancy]

@@tommenno 🤣🤣🤣

[@brucecrawford593]

Patrick Stewart’s Professor X has died 3 times on screen now. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@tomdevinney7280]

@@brucecrawford593 FR! He’s the new Sean Bean

[@AniChatterAnime]

I laughed idk to me it came off as funny

[@bluemage6495]

I loved it. I loved how "Sam Raimi" it was. My favorite MCU movie since IW. It's probably in my top 6 of the MCU. I loved what it did with Strange and Wanda. I didn't really like America, but Strange's interactions with her were cute. But I'll be fair and admit it should have been called something else. There really isn't a lot of "Multiverse" here.

[@sophroneo6960]

From my understanding, there has always been a 'multiverse.' Cool Kang just set up his police squad to keep them from interacting. After Sylvie killed him, there was no one to restrain the interactions. So more branches were able to sprout from their crossovers. Thus increasing the likelihood that Kangs will meet up. Spider Man: NWH only confirmed how easily it is connect to other dimensions. Dr. Strange and MOM (nice clue to what this movie is about btw) showed how chaotic the blending can get.

[@ispeakfacts186]

This emovie has soo many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@rationalthought]

@@ispeakfacts186 really? what plotholes were there? I'm genuinely curious, cause a lot of the ones I've heard about are not really plot holes.

[@Kaimax61]

@@rationalthought don't reply to the spamming troll, they've been spamming the same thing on every comment.

[@Kaimax61]

Yeah people forgot that Kang said, THERE WAS A MULTIVERSE before he combined into one.

[@ispeakfacts186]

@@rationalthought Gonna whine and try to defend these facts snowflake? I’ll have a bottle and pacifier waiting for ya 😘🤣. This movie was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@XzaroX]

I was a huge fan of Infinity War, because Thanos got his way there. I was thus very entertained by the Multiverse of Madness and Wanda's rampage as well. Maybe it's because I'm more of a brooding DC fan, but I feel like MCU has been way too "Happy" for a long time with very forgettable villains. The whole time I was basically rooting for Wanda, just like I did for Thanos, so thank you Sam Raimi! I also agree with Jeremy that Wandavision was a great villain origin story. There are so many damn villains in comic books that get turned into anti-heroes and then full-on heroes, despite their past crimes, I'd say it's refreshing to see some heroes turn evil.

[@metallicnole4514]

It was a bold move for marvel to turn one of their avengers into a villain. Not many franchises would take such a risk.

[@Salah-fq2wi]

This comment is a villain origin story 🤣

[@mullaoslo]

@@metallicnole4514 how was it a bold move she's the scarlet witch we have all known this would happen..

[@metallicnole4514]

@@mullaoslo Taking a character and an avenger that people love and turning her into a villain is a bold move. Let's see dc do that with someone on the justice league.

[@alkhatib2011]

What? why would you ever root for Thanos. Like at least Wanda's end goal of living with her children is something you can sympathize with but what about Thanos' goal would make you want to root for him? The word you're looking for is "sympathize with" not "root for" The state of MCU fans, man...

[@mrbliv102]

This movie to me stood out in multiple ways the horror element was so refreshing to see. The fact scarlet witch is full blown evil considering how much that character has gone through was a great choice. The music fight scene was unique and a fun spin to a super hero fight. I did cringe at America Chavez I just felt she was lack luster of a character

[@Baseballe2]

Great choice? It was in the comics

[@SteamGaming2023]

America Chavez looks like those generic plain video game characters the woke feminism culture tried to push to replace girls with actual bodies.

[@we_ate_buffalo8805]

Chavez was awesome. Can't wait to see her powers grow

[@joaorazuk6305]

Strange and wong really dropped the ball for not checking up on wanda sooner, I mean she’s the one of the most powerful beings in the mcu and can bend reality and minds to her will. you would think it would be in the best interest of everybody that she’s mentally stable and somewhat happy and supported, but no, after the biggest red flag that was westville they left her alone with a demonic book known to corrupt people. What did they expect would happen?

[@bilalwardak1999]

That's what you get with Sam raimi

[@nathanieldiaz5254]

Reed Richards was not a dumbass. He was trying to warn Wanda by being like "hey this guy is very powerful and he could beat you". He didn't know Wanda's powers so he couldn't have known what would happen

[@WeAreTheBentusi]

Funnily enough, I managed to avoid spoilers enough so that Reed Richards cameo COMPLETELY caught me off guard. Also, I'll grant that Reed Richards made a mistake but he WAS trying to deescalate the situation and may not have realized just HOW powerful Wanda could be.

[@dimitrescu182]

I was expecting Ioan Gruffudd's Reed.

[@beastialmoon2327]

Same. I saw the original teaser and that was it. I think most of the theater I was in missed those leaks, too, as there was a loud gasp from everyone when he came on!

[@Jacesmith03]

I avoided all spoilers and was equally surprised at Reed Richards AND Professor X's cameo

[@X3nophiliac]

I actually don't think it was that hard to avoid spoilers for this movie, I didnt see a lot of vocal hype for this movie

[@DanielBrongers]

The entire Illuminati (Captain Carter, Captain Marvel, Prof. X, Reed Richards and Black Bolt) underestimated Wanda's power. That is why they were defeated so easily. If they simply listened to Doctor Strange's warning about Wanda, their deaths could have been avoided...

[@DesignIncase]

Wanda as the villain was perfect. Honestly it's just her character. She's a sympathetic villain. She's where "With great powers, comes great responsibility" is really talking about. If you watch all her stuff together......how could it not be about forging a super villain? Now as for the Illuminati. I think some people really went in thinkings this was going to be Avengers 4.5 or something. You weren't supposed to grow attached to those people because we will see the main universe version continue. Also how can we not talk about the music magic fight? I think Loki season 2 might have some clarifying to do. Spider-man and this movie just revealed some rules that Loki didn't cover as it was more concerned with "Time travel" rules from Endgame. Not really the Multiverse as we are exploring. Ant Man will likely add some additional rules.

[@Hostilehippie13]

I must have missed that because I don’t find her sympathetic at all. She went through the same character arc all over again that she already went through in Wandavision. That show was about her abusing her powers to hurt other people to make herself happy, then learning to let go of it and move on. Then the movie was about her abusing her powers even more to hurt other people, then learning to let go of it. It felt repetitive. It would be one thing if that was never resolved in Wandavision, like if she had done awful things then flown off still evil and we knew she was gonna come back and it was a dark ending, it would have been a good setup. But Marvel just had to shoehorn the “Aww no she’s good tho, inside” narrative with that garbage line at the end where the other woman is like “they’ll never know what you did for them” as if she had done something heroic. Like um no, all you did was STOP doing something horrible to people that you were already doing. You don’t get credit for that. She’s not sympathetic, she’s unquestionably the villain and needs to be stopped. The movie was good but the fact the both Wandavision and the movie tried so hard to push that “feel bad for her” angle I just couldn’t give a shit about that. She was just the villain, that’s all.

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@Hostilehippie13 She told Wanda that cause in her depression she was oblivious to what she was really doing or how any of this happy reality started, all she knew was that she didn’t want it to end. She was never aware that she had reality-altering powers, so for her she was like in a dream state in which her subconscious was controlling Westview. This was planted and a compelling story all throughout WandaVision, not just last minute additions to make her sympathetic. Once Agatha exposed her to everything she sacrificed everything to right the ship and then isolated herself to not harm anyone and better learn her powers so that it doesn’t happen again. So on one hand yes those residents don’t owe any thanks to Wanda and some of them have been permanently traumatized, but on the other hand they really don’t know what she did for them, because the initial harm was done by powers and circumstances outside of her control, the series made that very clear. You are totally correct though about the movie taking the character backwards via cheap plot device, which does a huge disservice to all her development and the show’s extensive storytelling just prior. I expected her to be a villain at some point and she was entertaining as one, but I didn’t expect the storytelling to go backwards and ruin it all. The writers simply weren’t on the caliber of WandaVision’s. If WandaVision had better set it up as you say it might’ve worked, but they could’ve more easily just use a variant Wanda and tell a compelling story of a Wanda who holds back and sacrificed her kids versus a Wanda who’s on a rampage to have her kids.

[@fitz_94]

@@Hostilehippie13 right? she just straight up murdered mad people and almost her alternate self just to see some kids that aren't even hers, and then has the audacity at the end of the movie to say I'm not a monster or something

[@JWonn]

@@Hostilehippie13 didn't you see the end credit scene in WandaVision where she's studying the Darkhold in that creepy ritual circle?

[@thewatcher6969]

America Chavez's powers DO include the Star shaped portals. Like that's a comic thing. I also just really REALLY like the sound effect for the portal punches. Could have that as my text message tone

[@joshbrosh6626]

Send that message trough the multivers 😂

[@jonathancappiello7554]

wasn’t really impressed by her character. strange and wanda were the best parts forsure!

[@infamousoffbeat8770]

@@jonathancappiello7554 M SHE U

[@mintphoenix2112]

I actually through sheer stubborness avoided all spoilers for this movie. This was crazy to watch not knowing anything of what was going to happen.

[@Chyde109]

I stopped watching trailers years ago and am constantly happy I did.

[@lamceddo2275]

@@Chyde109 Same and I appreciate movies in general so much more

[@anthonypiti1767]

I didn’t see many spoilers leading up to this movie so when the Illuminati was revealed and I saw black bolt and reed richards, I freaked. Really loved the horror feel of this movie.

[@mxmissy]

I'm so freaking happy that I don't watch trailers anymore except for the teaser trailers. Because I was so shocked when I saw the illuminati come in. Only one I was "spoiled" for was Captain Carter. Like I'm not so mad about it because it's in the trailer, but at the same time... kind of annoying.

[@rienjen]

Me, too! Sam Raimi was the perfect director for this.

[@miketrapper0464]

I didn’t know who the tuning fork guy is

[@Disbelief_]

@@mxmissy Captain Carter is not even a good character

[@SingTingz31]

@@mxmissy yeah, this was the first marvel movie I stopped watching trailers for and seeing Black Bolt, Reed Richards, and Xavier for the first time was so worth it.

[@je2409]

Wanda took her place as the most powerful villain in the MCU and definitely the most powerful Avenger. She just has so much range in what she’s capable of. I wish we could see the Scarlet Witch face off against other high ranking characters like Hela, the Ancient One, etc. but she was absolutely amazing in this movie

[@RichardTapia42]

Now I wanna see this

[@kavinab6629]

I want to see Scarlett witch vs dark phoenix

[@thiskneegrow]

@@kavinab6629 Dark Phoenix is more powerful no contest.

[@thiskneegrow]

Why would you say the Ancient One? Isn’t he god? Kinda silly…

[@RichardTapia42]

@@thiskneegrow ancient one was the previous sorcerer supreme

[@ascendingarscente]

Wanda being the villain honestly stood out to me more than the cameos. I think it’s safe to say that it really BLEW people’s minds!

[@slim..reaper]

I see what you did there ;) RIP black bolt

[@brandon17760]

I really like black bolt though lol I never watched the show, but in the comics he's pretty damn cool

[@JamesHulltheFabulousJ]

2:07 - From Wikipedia: "Chavez has the power to open star-shaped holes in reality" There, you've found out. The film actually removed some of here powers. 15:30 - That was my exact thought upon seeing Charlize Theron. That and "I'll have to watch Emergency Awesome to find out the deal with her character" Wanda was one of the most interesting MCU villains so far and reminds me of the comics when she was going crazy and eliminating mutantkind with a phrase.

[@DarthPuma]

I really love Elizabeth Olsen as Scarlet Witch. She’s a perfect fit for this character and really make her a sympathetic character that will terrify

[@Bitchslapper316]

@@watdaforkman4436 she'll be back.

[@ericseitzler81]

I miss her Russian accent,she was even hotter with that.

[@ericseitzler81]

@@watdaforkman4436 lol. I wonder if she studied their language or Russian for that accent???

[@jish55]

I loved them making Wanda the most terrifying villain ever. Like seriously, watching her just not give a fuck and then outright obliterate multiple people without even trying was just awesome.

[@parisg155]

What Mouth

[@sebastianfigueroa8084]

I honestly feel that made her a one note villain.

[@markmurex6559]

Wanda unleashed is always good imo. Her versus Thanos was the first we saw of this, and it was great.

[@everythingisawesome2903]

Atleast now there would be no more excuses for Wanda from some people who says she is just an antihero. No, she is an selfish and evil person who also enslaved people because she was hungry for some robo ding-dong.

[@trey5973]

@@sebastianfigueroa8084 she’ll definitely be back

[@chimichangaparty1222]

I love Wanda as a villain, we’ve gotten to know her as a hero and seeing her tragically descend into darkness was the best part of her story. Instead of attempting to tie her to Magneto or anything mutant related, they told a tragic story that was true to her character. Loved her as the villain and wanna see more of her in the villain role. I really hope she didn’t just bite the dust.

[@azariyelvarro6271]

Too bad for you, she was "fully redeemed" by the end. Aka killed so the writers don't need to actually have her come to terms with the fact that she became a mass murderer for nothing. If she comes back, she'll be Cthon's evil puppet at best and an amnesiac good girl at worst.

[@tylerjames805]

I would’ve appreciated it more if they didn’t try to pull the “Strange and her are one and the same” bs no Strange is a man who’s willing to do whatever needs to be done to save innocent lives. Wanda will kill anyone and everything to get her needs. No one calls her out on her bs and that makes me think that the movie’s trying to make you think that she has a point.

[@Aquariusgirl212]

I was really interested in the movie doing a sort of House of M homage and I think Elizabeth Olsen portrayed Wanda as a really compelling, yet villain, but I feel like this narrative feels a little out of place after Wandavision. The season ended on a really melancholy note, but I feel like Wanda had gotten closure with Vis and the kids to some extent. She was for sure super brokenhearted, but she seemed ready to properly grieve and move on, so I would've liked to see more of her transition from antihero to villain in the movie

[@Aquariusgirl212]

That said, I thought Wanda's scene with the twins and resolution was really powerful, but I think she deserves to have more of her story told

[@lumerarkenstone]

My favorite part of the movie has gotta be the music fight, that was some of the most creative shit I've ever seen in a marvel movie, props to whoever wrote that. Also geeze this movie is bloody at times, I love it! Like, I'm genuinely suprised they allowed that much blood in an mcu movie, but thank God they did. I dunno where they're gonna go for Doctor Strange 3, but if it's more of this, I'm all aboard!

[@creativepseudonym9872]

One thing I learned about Wanda in this movie is: Thanos got off easy in Endgame.

[@joshuajoseph4176]

My man if it took this movie to show you how much of a villain Wanda is and how powerful she is then you need to read some comics

[@429gamer]

That was her being reasonable.

[@creativepseudonym9872]

@@joshuajoseph4176 You are very right. I do know that in the comics Wanda is essentially a god, I was going off her MCU interpretation which are usually weaker.

[@creativepseudonym9872]

@@429gamer I understood that reference. *cue the (well deserved) boos and tomatoes*

[@SteelBallRun1890]

@@creativepseudonym9872 Everyone in the comics is basically a god or incredibly powerful at some point in their hundreds of stories, it's the curse of power creep and a never-ending story so they have to escalate more often than not. It's like with Ice Man, at one point Emma Frost gets his powers and realizes he's way more powerful than he's being and can do it if properly motivated or unlocks his potential. Comparing comic counterparts with their movie counterparts is always bound to be a downside because it's one nerd comparing a million stories they've had vs. one movie character.

[@duncanmacphail2532]

I fully expected a post-credit scene where Scarlet Witch is dug out of the mountain, . . . by Magneto.

[@sillyslicker1]

Omg, I would have died of happiness.

[@ayayronm]

Bro I was hoping for a Magneto cameo. If he showed up to dig up Wanda's body and took her to Krakoa, I think I wouldve lost my mind.

[@Alex_Logan22]

That would’ve made the whole movie like Far From Home.

[@solus1091]

Can we take a moment to appreciate the Tony Stark impression Jeremy did that came out of nowhere?

[@thepragmatist2088]

literally just abt to comment this he sounded exactly like him lol

[@derekwaters8683]

and right after he highlighted the comment saying he'd lost his touch, no less. I was like, "Bravo..." lol the voice was on point but the best part was that he totally nailed tony's descriptions of events. It was legit haha

[@uvindukulathunga3860]

The voice was really good right

[@ATG913]

Totally caught me off guard. 100% good. x)

[@Lorentz_Driver]

We've had so many heroes turn to villians, it's nice to see one turn back. And a woman villain too!

[@icedcapplord710]

I loved that this movie was so unashamed of its roots in comic book storytelling. Hearing terminology like "incursions" and "Chthon" was so cool to see in an MCU film. It really puts into perspective how far we've come as an audience in being able to process that stuff Also Krasinski's ~10 mins of screentime as Reed Richards was more faithful to the character in tone than the last three F4 films combined

[@nihalrazak]

They signed a 7 year deal with Elizabeth Olsen... so, she's not dead ☠️

[@jarestcc6028]

yes, now that the incursions are in the mcu I hope they adapt Jonathan Hickman's Secret Wars/Time runs outs

[@HafidzMurshidie]

@@jarestcc6028 Oh it will come… It has to lead to Secret Wars… That’s the best use of multiversal concept in movies…

[@CastroStudios1]

Don’t disrespect F1 and F2 ever again

[@KevinGarcia-pv3lr]

The thing that I really enjoy about Wanda being the villain is the fact that it cements her personal journey as a tragedy. I am a sucker for stories where good people get shit on at every turn despite their best efforts to be happy. I really liked this movie. I just wanted to see more amazing visuals in fights that you can only get with Doctor Strange and that’s what the movie is. A fun movie with surprises, horror elements, and stunning visuals you cannot get in any other movie in the MCU or otherwise that I can think of.

[@FireJach]

I enjoyed how they showed Dr Strange can use magic to fight creatively. He spawned a monster what eats cars during the fight with Gargantos. Amazing

[@KillerTacos54]

Also the entire musical note fight sequence

[@rhetiq9989]

I think most people have forgotten about the Gargantos fight lol yea that fight had Strange using some cool magic. He dissected a bus, summoned creatures, and of course the giant mystic chainsaw

[@jon1819]

@@KillerTacos54 that part was retarded. I cringed so hard

[@jeffrey53sola]

100% but then on the flip side there is the Wanda vs Kamar-Taj battle where they use magic to shoot bows and arrows??? Of all the things magic can do, and they have a middle-age battle?

[@xaoc6084]

@@KillerTacos54 That just reminded me of Scott Pilgrim vs the World

[@jtemplin98]

Personally I loved the movie. It had a truly comic book vibe to me that some of the recent MCU flicks haven't really captured fully. Visually was super cool and it was like I was watching one of my classic Dr Strange comic books come to life. And I know this is just me, but I could really care less about the plot holes or inconsistencies with the other MCU properties. I never watched the Loki series and I followed this just fine. I went into this wanting some Sam Raimi comic book movie excellency I felt I got it. And seeing Clea in the post credits was dope, so cool that theyre finally adding her into the fold. All in all, I liked a lot. My man Sam still got it

[@MaiIReview]

I just got out of the movie and this was a great time. I think Wanda as the villian was fantastic and they really did set it up. As for the Illuminati all getting killed I didn't mind that either and I happy Disney didn't hold back on the violence in this movie.

[@herrtituswinslow4717]

Jeremy's Tony Stark impression was something I didn't know I needed

[@Davi_L]

My heart broke for her and I got emotional when her children saw her as a monster. She did so much, she lost so much, and she still lost it all in the end. Unlike with Thanos we understand Wanda and what she's been through. That’s why she’s my favorite character in the MCU. You can't say whether or not she's truly a villain or a hero. She's chaos incarnate.

[@lizzybethnj617]

I actually teared up at that part

[@ispeakfacts186]

This emovie has soo many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@flea3745]

My favorite scene was the when she was dreaming about her life with her kids, and how happy she was with them as the cheery music played in the background. But when she wakes up, the music is cut, and we see her in bed all alone. It's really heartbreaking, and kinda sinister in a way. Sam Raimi really pulled all the stops on this one. It's not entirely perfect, there are a couple flaws, but I think Raimi did great for his first MCU film

[@infinitybelt]

So many great moments with Wanda in this movie. I really felt her pain and could see how she'd go this far because I saw it first hand in Wanda-Vision. Add in the Dark Hold and you have yourself a recipe for chaos. Wanda was a force of nature that could only be stopped by one person... Herself. It's not just seeing her kids react to the monster she has become, but also the other Wanda telling her, "know that they will be loved". All throughout the movie you have multiple characters that are telling Wanda they understand what she is going through... But none of them did. That's what makes that last scene so powerful, she finally had someone that understood her pain, herself.

[@Bobby-fy3ds]

She’s a fucken murderer lol

[@lucaguccione-jimenez346]

3:41 Jeremey's Tony Stark impression is incredible

[@magicmatson8795]

When Wanda reached her hand out and Strange used the demons to pull her back down it recreated the original Evil Dead poster and was awesome.

[@lucas-xf7rc]

I loved the musical fight, it was really badass and very Dr strange like

[@LunarSault23]

Gave me Fantasia vibes, and I liked it.

[@c.m.654]

@@LunarSault23 I was thinking Fantasia too when I watched that scene

[@maryham6533]

At the end when Dr. Strange is screaming and the 3rd eye appears you hear those musical notes from the fight scene again. That makes me think that Sinister Strange is somehow part of him now. When Dr. Strange used the Darkhold to dream walk somehow Sinister Strange's spirit merged with him. Just a theory.

[@NateNateNate5678]

It reminded me of Scott pilgrim vs the world lol

[@Northshoreboy135]

THANK YOU. YES THAT SCENE WAS AWESOME!!!!!

[@eddieacabanferrer4984]

Seeing Bruce Campbell fighting his hand again is classic throwback! Totally agree with you Jeremy the carnage is great really gives it rewatchability and makes Wanda a memorable Disney horror villain.

[@eddieacabanferrer4984]

You know he's gonna get rid of that hand ✋️ 🪚

[@dimitrescu182]

I was waiting for a quick Ash Williams cameo or even just the cabin from the Evil Dead to show up when Strange and Chavez were flying through universes.

[@bretsheeley4034]

I was only disappointed that after he said it was over his other hand didn't punch him. :)

[@miketrapper0464]

Wanda as the villain, one of the most compelling villains and scariest horror monster I’ve ever seen

[@gmoney9992]

I loved Wanda as the villain. It made me understand and empathize with her motivations. Also really loved the 4th wall breaking look Wanda-838 gives the camera when Wanda-616 jumps in her. Chilling AF

[@jordonspence5633]

Wanda is one of the MCU's best villains. I really liked how assertive she was. She was like an unstoppable force that constantly forced the heroes on the back foot. That's a sign of a great villain to me.

[@kingpresidentandsupremelea7748]

She could have killed them all in the start

[@sondre7501]

She was bad

[@HistoricChanges]

"Assertive"... How about "evil"? Or, "bloodthirsty"? Or, "maniacal"? You seem pretty excited about a strong woman - witch, murderer, whatever it takes.

[@jddaniel2332]

She can be assertive with me 🥴

[@HistoricChanges]

@@jddaniel2332 touche'

[@joshdh46]

I wasn't expecting it to be so sadistic

[@watertommyz]

I loved it.

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

Yeah Reed’s death really showed how far gone this Wanda was. I wish there had been a bit more buildup for the Darkhold’s corruption of her, because that was just cruel for the sake of being cruel.

[@WarpChaos]

Apparently it was even toned down in the reshoots.

[@edu-kt]

3:42 that was you channeling RDJ, kudos Jeremy, you are... AWESOMETACULAR.

[@SonofRaa]

I had no problem with Wanda being the antagonist. In the comics, you see "good guys" flip at some point. I also didn't mind that Wanda shredded through the Illuminati. She literally shreded Reed. I had the same thought as you though. Like why would Reed tell her what Blackbolt was capable of? But that speaks to the arrogance of the Illuminati with them thinking that they could easily handle her. I also like that they did a decent job on the Blackbolt costume . I enjoyed the movie overall and it didn't seem like a 2+ hour film.

[@ispeakfacts186]

This emovie has soo many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@ispeakfacts186]

This emovie has soo many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@SonofRaa]

@@ispeakfacts186 Says the silly shithead who had to post this twice for some reason. Maybe you think this will get you twice the attention.

[@BIGNA281]

@@ispeakfacts186 do tell?

[@NTE_]

I'm glad you mentioned the Sliders reference. I thought I was the only one who caught the reference

[@ispeakfacts186]

This emovie has soo many plot holes and it was rushed on and a whole bunch of random nonsense that didn’t make any sense only to get a quick pay day but only the uneducated/delusional marvel fans will defend garbage🤣🤣🤣

[@keijijohnson9754]

I’ve always perceived dreams as being glimpses in other universes for like, YEARS now. Crazy to think that such a thought had been made reality via this film.

[@MrInvaderOhYeah]

BRO SAME

[@helicopter_traffic]

Well people have been dreaming since before we were the species and 99% of human conflict starts because one party is convinced “my idea is actually totally real, your idea is another world entirely” so combining the two isn’t completely out of this world

[@richwindex9371]

I had a recurring dream when I was younger where I was being hunted by killer potatoes

[@giancole_]

literal same

[@hishamkhedarun4419]

I thought so too

[@byuremklack9735]

3:36 wow I thought Downy was actually talking for a second

[@johnwinner34]

Technically if Sylvie and Loki “unleashed” the multiverse in Loki, in a place outside the realm of time (or the beginning of time), then in other realities including the current MCU one… those other timelines/realities “always” existed. It’s not like when they did that, Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man and his reality was just created with him being an adult as Spider-Man. No, he had a full life and so did trillions of other beings in that reality/universe because it “always existed”. So it’s safe to say when Loki and Sylvie opened the multiverse, in our MCU reality, the knowledge and concept of the multiverse always existed in their world. Hence, why Dr. Strange and others know about it and have entire ancient knowledge around it. And the concept of “dreams” being other realities would have “always” been a thing in their world.

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

+John Winner 🤔🤔 Interesting.

[@cable7152]

That's 100% how I see it too

[@uvindukulathunga3860]

Yeah I agree to this Jus dont have the time to writeit down

[@Zoltan1251]

i thought its pretty clear... in essence Multiverse was always real, but kept separate and any incursions were suppressed... now, without Timekeepers anyone can do what they want and enter any universe they want.... super clear, Jeremy just doesnt pay attention sometimes

[@grim_2000]

Yeah, "when" doesn't really apply here (in literal sense), since Void is at the end of all time. So it shouldn't be treated as "in 2012 this happened". The deviations from former Sacred Timeline could have happened at any point in time - whether it's a million years ago or in 2018. Hence, the numerous amount of universes with multiple variations.

[@lukegrewer66]

I just really wanted Vision in the movie. I thought he would have increased sympathy for Wanda and made the emotion stronger for her, fighting her ex-husband as well and wanting him back. Could have had more empathy for her if she broke down in front of Vision or something cause she did essentially torture a town and straight up murdered in this movie so it’s a little hard to feel sympathy for her even if she does want her kids. Vision could have worked seen as in the other universe the Illuminati killed Thanos on Titan before he even reached Wakanda and Vision. And clearly there must have been a Vision around to you know, make the kids. Also loved pacing, cinematography, horror aspect, moments of comedy, thought fight scenes were amazing and great use of Illuminati and their deaths. They did a lot in the movie but didn’t overdo the multiverse al at once. Loved ending, not a big sky beam and loads of CGI army’s, just passion and intelligence and cool powers. Loved Wong and his magic rope. I also would have loved when Wanda realised what she’d done at the end, to have that version of Wanda who Prof X tried to pull out of the rocks to come back and come out from underneath the rocks to sort of shoe her being uncorrupted. And finally, that music fight scene, was insane.

[@sillyslicker1]

I kept wondering where Vision was. Does she never dream of him?

[@JoyaLewisTheMusician]

Ooh the “real” Wanda coming out would’ve been powerful.

[@srlong1123]

The Wanda under the rubble was the Wanda whose body she stole

[@casmic6658]

and wb some wong variants lol would’ve been cool to see

[@robk1990]

Oh man imagine if they had done “Ultron” Vision as part of the Illuminate. That would have been REALLY FUCKED UP

[@Wholesomewebs]

“Just because someone stumbles; loses their way, doesn’t mean they’re lost forever.” Charles took that wisdom from X-men and brought it to the MCU, yo 🥺

[@RB-zy6nb]

man also did the greatest steve jobs cosplay while playing prof x at the same time.

[@jaybe2k12]

Love that Prof X was in this. It also helps fix some of the issues with that Fox X-Men universe, now that those are technically connected. The fact that there is a multiverse and variants helps explain the discrepancies and plot holes/inconsistencies between the Singer-verse Vaughn and Logan

[@Wholesomewebs]

@@jaybe2k12 indeed I wish the struggle between Wanda and Charles was a bit more engaging/longer though.

[@jaybe2k12]

@@Wholesomewebs totally agree, I thought she was also going to see into his mind and see that in his universe mutants exist and that she's a mutant, potentially leading to a House of M type thing. Maybe it's in the longer cut. Or maybe they're saving that for later. Elizabeth Olson signed a 7 year deal with Marvel so hopefully we get that story down the line.

[@Wholesomewebs]

@@jaybe2k12 no doubt that Olsen isn’t done. Since they’ve given us the appetizer for X-men/F4, plus the new incursion to think about, Wanda is gonna have a hell of an outing I think

[@cassidyheath9446]

Stellar review as always and pumped to see the hair back! Suits you

[@lightninlad]

I have to say, that RDJ impression(time stamp: 3:37 min. into the video) was actually incredibly good. 😱😱😱

[@waltermidi]

yea wtf can we talk ab that for a sec

[@adirocksit]

That is exactly something RDJ as Tony Stark would say and exactly that way

[@roin4042]

He always gets impressions on point idk how lol

[@opticghost3333]

that was a horrible impression

[@spencerbacon]

Love it, I had a blast with this. Felt like they actually let Raimi go full tilt. And Wanda as the villain works, and works well!

[@guitarsparta]

The thing about the Loki Season 1 finale is that it happens at the end of time outside of time itself when Sylvie kills "He Who Remains"/The Immortus/Kang. Therefore from the perspective of the timeline, the multiverse exists and yet doesn't exist always from the beginning of time itself. It's like a Schrodenger's Cat scenario. The only perspective we can see that the multiverse becomes a reality is from a perspective outside of time, because once it's unleashed it branches out from the first decision ever made, then the next, then the next after that. So in a way, the multiverse always existed, because our heroes from Earth 616 and even the Illuminati from Earth 838 would never notice a fracturing in the "Sacred Timeline" because it occurred eons before/after they even exisited

[@joshbrosh6626]

You got it

[@dahunter620]

Bingo

[@NikstSWE]

Thank you! People seem to not get this when arguing about the writing in MCU "breaking", "not holding up" and so on. Even though they showed us this concept right there at the end of Loki by showing Kang the Conqueror having been in charge a long time, aka from the start, because like you said it was always the case after Sylvie killed the other Kang outside of time/end of time.

[@firegallop]

Yes, you get it. I feel like a lot of people can not understand this

[@governornarcisus]

W Then

[@brandonwhite562]

Plot Hole: Even if they didnt trust Strange to use the book of good spells and they didnt want him around cause it could cause an incursion, WHY DIDNT THEY LET MORDO USE IT. They were so afraid of Strange (an actual good guy) using the book, but when it came to the Witch prophesied to destroy the multi-verse they were like "Nah we'll deal with her later." She already had the book you were afraid of Strange getting a hold of. At least he had good intentions, but Wanda was out here calling death a form of mercy and you guys wanna say "Nah we'll deal with that later". And ofc Mr. Fantastic explaining Black Bolts powers is dumb. Im positive she didnt even know it would kill him. She probably did it just cause stealing his mouth is the obvious solution if thats his only weapon.

[@michaelnally2841]

Well the Mordo here is from 848 universe and unlike the mordon from the main universe he’s not evil.

[@camzilla_does_music834]

I think that was intentional to show the arrogance of the illuminati, but shows how prof X is different to them

[@raulitosway3279]

They were incredibly arrogant after defeating their thanos. In my head canon that fixes the plot hole.

[@ComicCrossing]

Nobody could get to the book. They mention that the Strange from that Universe was the only one that could open the door. Plot hole solved. You could argue that they couldve figured it out with help from Christine I guess, but I think there was more to it than just fitting the watch in the lock. There was likely still some magic Strange had to cast on it to open it. Even aside from that, Id argue that they were afraid of that power going into anyones hands. If they couldnt trust one of their own once, then they werent going to trust Mordo either.

[@brandonwhite562]

@@raulitosway3279 yea that could be true. Just seems like a waste, we only saw two alternate universes, one with the Illuminati and one with one with the evil Strange. It sucks that we get to see any competent heroes from other universes. Mr. Fantastic is supposed to be one of the smartest in his respective universe. In the movie it seemed like it was his first day on the job by how many mistakes and bad decisions he made.

[@alistairetheblu]

10:00 Sylvie killing "cool Kang" happened outside of time. So it's basically retroactive...or even better, it happened in a way that it didn't need to be retroactive. They made it so those timelines were never really hampered in the first place.

[@NoThankYouToo]

Exactly. It was always the way it was going to be

[@zaydzulqurnain594]

he's called He Who Remains

[@zaydzulqurnain594]

@@amadeus.7436 fair point

[@MCLegoboy]

As long as Wanda is not actually dead, I'm cool with her as the villain. There was that red poof that happened when everything fell, and I feel like maybe she needed to be there to make sure things got destroyed, but she was perhaps able to teleport herself because she still has that magic that's kind of inherent to her. Plus I thought Elizabeth Olsen was said to have signed a contract that has her appear in more things, so unless we're going back to Age of Ultron level Wanda, which I don't want, then how else can it be if she didn't survive this?

[@chuckberry1240]

She’s alive in the multi verse

[@LunarSault23]

Idk maybe she wanted to die to find peace. Her other versions will live on.

[@bigmacattackful]

I was only half way through the movie before I decided she HAS to die in this movie. After the horrific things her character has done she had become irredeemable.

[@eduardonarvaez2086]

@@bigmacattackful THIS

[@Tywil714]

After all the people she brutally murdered in cold blood. I think its proper redemption for her to sacrifice her own life by destroying the place that used to carry them out. Besides im pretty sure after everything she lost Wanda probably didnt want to live anymore especially with that demon inside of her.

[@SteelBallRun1890]

Yeah, I'm on that hill with you. Wanda as a villain was amazing, especially with how Raimi captured it. This is basically an unstoppable reality bending witch that can just do the worst to you and you're not really prepared to defend yourself because...she basically bends reality. But I also like her motives in this one, it's sympathetic but incredibly selfish, it's a very simple and easy villain motive. You don't have to agree with this but you also kind of understand it, mother's love and all that kinda route.

[@luisf2793]

As soon as she was with the darkhold in the end of Wandavision I expected nothing less than absolute carnage Raimi must have been so happy when they gave him the Scarlett Witch and said go wild

[@benzaiten933]

I also really like how she was defeated, Strange didn't suddenly find some 'bigger' magic and hit her with a sky beam or such. nay, it was because he actually trusted America and so America figured she's give Wanda what she wanted and let 'her' children see this blood soaked Wanda, to make her realize she was not their mother and even if she killed everyone and destroyed the whole universe those boys wouldn't accept her as their mother. basically America defeated her by breaking her heart and let her see the cruel reality underneath, no Strange needed.

[@Relugus]

That is not Wanda, it's Chthon fused into Wanda's dark side. It's a very different Wanda. Wanda is an avatar of Chthon. With the Darkhold he has great control of her. Who do you think built that big temple long before Wanda even existed? They should have leaned into Chthon and not had Billy and Tommy, as Chthon is much more important.

[@Relugus]

@@luisf2793 He knows nothing about the character. Women characters do not interest him. Wanda's darkside is fused to Chthon, the source of her powers and author of the Darkhold. Chthon is controlling Wanda via the Darkhold. Chthon is pretty much the most important character in Wanda's story. Would have been more interesting to have Spiderman go psycho. That would be actually bold.

[@dan7564]

She had big Terminator vibes, how they were running from her in the tunnel, desperatly trying to clsoe doors to slow her down and she was just advancing at her own pace, unwavering.

[@Northernguitarist25]

As far as Wanda being the Villain goes I feel like I needed to see a little more of the book corrupting her because I buy her becoming evil but I'm not sure if I bought just how evil she became in such a short amount of time. Like at the end of Wanda Vision she did a lot of screwed up things but the show ended with her regretting what she did and ultimately portrayed her has a good person. Then straight to this movie where she's genocidal and murdering heros in supremely messed up ways (which was bad ass btw) idk it was just a big leap in evil for me but maybe that development was on the cutting room floor. Btw still really enjoyed the movie, great middle tier marvel movie.

[@j.solano]

yep, I felt the same way. She was awesome though.

[@Cryten0]

Yeah, just some recognition of what drove her to change from giving up her kids and husband, to sacrificing everything to get them back would be nice.

[@talondiwisch5206]

I COMPLETELY agree with you. Didn’t make much sense to me. I see that the book just corrupted her again without her even realising it. Almost as if she didn’t know what she was doing for basically the whole movie.

[@whitetiger2200]

Perhaps you missed it but I swear there was a scene in the end of wandavision or something where we see her walking around her cabin and everything looks fine but then it cuts to her actually in more of a scarlet witch costume going over the book So we see it's already corrupted her even though she regretted what she did she still had a piece of her that had hope for happiness perhaps which is probably what the book took and twisted. My headcanon was that she wanted to learn more about magical power after fighting Agatha and then ended up getting corrupted perhaps without realizing

[@Northernguitarist25]

@@whitetiger2200 yeah your not wrong but a lot of that is head canon and I feel like I just wanted it to be actual canon

[@seenyab4494]

When I saw that initial scene at the wedding where he said, "it was the only play we had" I thought it was a setup for later where we might learn that there actually WAS another way to win. When they went to the Illuminati universe and saw the statue of Strange who died fighting Thanos I actually thought that this universe was a version where Strange went through that other way and sacrificed himself instead. Thought it would be in line with his character, after all how could he continue to "hold the knife" if he was dead.

[@JRbro100]

That would have been so good! I was waiting for something like that too.

[@benallen9796]

Spot on analysis

[@jonasquinn7977]

To be fair there was another way, the Book of Vishanti

[@seenyab4494]

@@jonasquinn7977 Well, at the beginning at the movie Dr. Strange didn't even think it existed. Wong knew as he is Sorcerer Supreme and it is in the book you get when you "become Sorcerer Supreme."

[@KingPfrenger]

@@seenyab4494 Doctor Strange Didn’t Read The Book When He Got It Though? Seems Unlikely…..

[@keithwilliams1795]

Wanda was like a "Talky" Jason in this movie. No matter what they tried she kept getting up and coming after them. I was legitimately scared during the tunnel chase because while I knew Strange and America would survive, I was worried that Christine wouldn't after we just watched Wanda murder her way through the movie.

[@adampeel6161]

Ah yes the tunnel chase where our heroes just stop and stare at the closed door for God knows how long. Like, why aren't you running away as fast as you can you absolute tools.

[@rjofusetsudzin8011]

@@adampeel6161 it was horror which means unfortantely dumb as many horrors.

[@keithwilliams1795]

@@adampeel6161 I grabbed my seat and screamed that in my head when I saw them stop.

[@jueru0]

@@adampeel6161 because Strange wanted to trap her longer with the flooding since the doors weren't helping. The real crime here is when Dr Strange reaches the book, he doesn't straight up run up & skim read it but instead took his sweet ass time...

[@RyxFPS]

the tunnel scene would've ended sooner if Wanda just flew LMAO

[@zom8680]

I'm so glad Wanda learned the error of her ways and finally turned good after Killing hundreds of sorcerers, 818 scientists, 818 superheroes, Defender Strange. I'm proud of her

[@GangStalker17]

It truly was, a Woman Moment

[@dapperdabber13]

Stans are literally proud of her 😂

[@superduperman6535]

Superman after genocide in injustice

[@keelanbarron928]

Well, she DID die. (or at least tried to sacrifice herself to stop this from happening again.)

[@MrChaotic4]

@@keelanbarron928 Golden rule of movies like this: Never count someone as dead unless you have the body.