Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness - It's A Bit Of A Mess

So now that I've seen Doctor Strange 2, I can say truthfully that it looked great, it had a great director and great actors. The only thing missing was a great script.
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[@tayne-entertaynement]

Wanda went full Abby in this movie. She straight up asks Reed Richards, "Is your wife still alive?" "Yes, she is." "Good. Then your children will have someone to raise them." Then she violently murders the guy. Am I, at any point forward, supposed to feel any sort of empathy for her? That's so fucking dark.

[@gasalpha879]

Yeah the fact the MCU keeps expecting us to treat her like a hero after Wanda vision and... Whatever the fuck this movie was for her, it's trully stupid

[@leandroeidi]

@@gasalpha879 Why do you think they're expecting us to treat her like a hero? They literally turned her into a villain.

[@lacolem1]

Some of us have been burned by comics too long. I just don’t expect her heel turn to be permanent. They’ll variant her into a hero again or something

[@wolfrainexxx]

NO, YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO FEEL EMPATHY FOR HER. THAT'S THE FUCKING TWIST IN HER SELF-JUDGEMENT IN THE END WHEN SHE REALIZES SHE'D GONE FULL KUJO. Christ, did any of you watch the end of the movie?

[@chriswilson3126]

The Abby comparison is very valid. They seem to make out as if she is a relatable villain but I just wanted the characters to kick her obnoxious face in. I was annoyed that in the end she ended up killing herself. What a dreadfully written OP character.

[@happybirthdaypaulie8584]

It was really cool when America is told to urgently cover all the reflections in the room and she starts covering puddles but then stops to look really closely at a puddle.

[@jeebuschristos8423]

It's like they forgot that their eyes are equally reflective surfaces too... could you imagine THAT scene? Scarlett Witch crawling out of one of their eyeballs?

[@user-wz8xz3jk8g]

That part really annoyed me, like gurl what are u doing, cover the puddle and move on

[@happybirthdaypaulie8584]

Similarly to how they’re all running from her in the sewers, Wanda blasting every door that gets in her way…until they decide to all stop after a random door shuts and wait just so she can pop out and fear flash us. Or what about when they leave the door open to the book dimension room and chill out to chat until Wanda can catch up. Or what about when the Illuminati treat Wanda like a turned based RPG boss and take turns fighting her instead of fighting like….you know…a team. I think the real theme of this movie is learning the importance of urgency.

[@joshuaneuhauser8372]

@@happybirthdaypaulie8584 TBF, not at all absolving this film of the sin, but this is a pretty common thing that annoys the fuck out of me. I feel like I see this "Stand around mouth agape" reaction shot so many times when the in universe character could have been taking any form of action and if makes me want to off myself.

[@maddexulanowski1184]

@@jeebuschristos8423 That.... would actually be fucking terrifying.

[@nicolaspeigne1429]

she took out the 2 male illmunatis without taking a single step, but the 2 female ones she has to fight... weird, isn't it ?

[@prajjwaltiwari8644]

A bit odd, innit mate?

[@elitegamer8351]

the wahmen are stronger

[@radtugzz4953]

they all died in the end

[@thepizzafoogle5481]

@@radtugzz4953 Finally, everyone is equally dead.

[@who4440]

Sometimes you guys get way to much in to it. Xavier was fighting her too. A mind fight litterly

[@michaellatham4890]

I like how she basically disintegrates the two men but then there has to be an actual fight for the women. I feel like they're trying to tell me something...

[@naufalrifki3130]

Maybe because big cinema corporations such as Marvel's portrayal of "gender equality" is men are complete useless beings because women can do everything men can do and possibly do it better? Who knows!

[@gyver471]

I thought the same

[@gabrieltejada1697]

Female supremacy undertones, also added to the fact how she straight up mocked the father (mr fantastic) by saying that at least they’ll still have someone to take care of them after she asked where his kid’s mom was. Implying that the father isn’t needed to take care of kids and raise them cause “mom knows best”

[@Us3r739]

Funny thing is that black bolt and Reed richards are more powerful then those females

[@thespiderman630]

This scene made me hate this movie very much. No way Professor X would get killed so easily smh

[@Sixstringman]

Don't ask questions. Just consume product and get excited for next product.

[@argonianale5716]

that's pretty much marvel at this point, also avoid the woke shit

[@Missing-Ace]

That’s literally all the mcu is now

[@dontebennett6098]

*The Life of the Consoomer*

[@KinoTurk]

Oooh Movie Bob

[@crisrustaad4436]

Exactly.

[@Domo15]

My biggest issue with the movie was the “Believe in yourself” ending and then trying to make it seem like whatever Wanda did wasn’t that bad and she “fixed it” in the end. She legit murdered several people in this movie. For no reason.

[@gmcmurr15]

Ya that was my biggest thing with it. The ending with Wanda felt very trivial

[@SirPaladinThundercake]

"My villain is not really a 'bad guy', just 'Part of the conversation'" - Michael B. Jordan on his villain 'KILL'Monger. 😂 Bad guy sympathizing is becoming a normal thing.

[@warframehunter7298]

It was so anticlimactic too, no boss fight or anything. Just a girl who uses the power of friendship and Wanda realized murder is wrong 🙄

[@Nemo.404]

@@warframehunter7298 Boring. Bossfights in the MCU have become so lame. This was way better. Not that she redeemed herself, but it was like "dude, fckng understand!!!!" And she understood. Fucking marvel fans just want the same old repeated bullshit formula and I'm tired of that shit

[@mikearchibald744]

Well, Loki is pretty much a hero now and how many people did he kill in New York?

[@Stylistaaaa]

Basically the only reason the protagonist "won" is because Wanda DECIDED to give up.....forget Strange's powers, wisdom and abilities.

[@abhrasrepository1173]

moreover, after scarlett bitch hearing "know that they'll be loved" she goes back to default settings lol, like before becoming a genocidal monster did she not know that those boys are going to be loved? like WTF?

[@shuttittuppitt9355]

It didn't occur to me until just before I'm posting this, but both Wanda & alt-Wanda are mutants (which is where their powers came from), their powers are the same, & since their powers are the same, that means that they had the same parents (alt versions of them in alt-Wanda's case, but otherwise the same). Therefore, it would've been cool to see alt-Magneto show up (or at least be mentioned) at some point.

[@Zombie420]

gotta love when movies push the anti capitalistic message, while also wanting to make as much money as possible off it

[@edgarbraintree4370]

Even ardent communists only support that ideology because they believe they will be among those that wealth would be redistributed to rather than from. No less venal than a capitalist

[@acemagalor2519]

Everyone’s saying the part about food being free is “anti-capitalistic” and I feel like people are stretching for that, if it’s saying ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING (Which even then it’s a stretch) it’s that basic Commodities needed to survive shouldn’t be made Inaccessible for those who can’t afford them

[@robertdouth8979]

@@acemagalor2519 Yes, that's anti-capitalistic, because someone has to work to make those basic commodities, and saying everyone is entitled to them means forcing the person making them into slavery to make them for everyone if you are saying they shouldn't be able to not afford them. The entirety of human existence is about doing whatever you can to eke out a living off the land by whatever means necessary. Capitalism built a society that allows us to do it with so little effort, and the demanding of things for free will put us right back to scratching out a living off the land and harder shorter lives. I got my land and reserves though, so I'll laugh all the way down.

[@parallel2795]

@@acemagalor2519 Insane how feeding human beings is "anti-captialistic" now

[@PrimeSuperboy]

There's nothing contradictory about that. If you can make more money by saying things people want to here, then you're better off doing so, even if that message is "stop making more money".

[@SoniasWay]

Wanda : “I made mistakes and people were hurt” Doctor Strange : “I didn’t watch your Disney plus show”

[@TheScarletSlayer]

Wanda: neither did I

[@tender0828]

lmaoo

[@spacewiz163]

You should it’s pretty good🍿😗

[@hehhehheh4588]

"I couldn't get through the first 30 minutes."

[@AnoNymous-gn6tl]

@@spacewiz163 I heard it's a giant waste of time with a nebulous plot that leaves you with a feeling of "huh, okay that was a thing" at best.

[@stewiep7426]

I loved how they introduced reed richards as the smartest man in the universe then he immediately tells wanda how black bolt can kill her in a word instead of just letting black bolt kill her in a word.

[@EvilDoresh]

"The smartest *_man_* " There you have it. I guess?

[@jamieK111]

Intelligence and wisdom are not necessarily correlated.

[@aaroncornish9955]

The wanda in there universe is not a big deal. If you remember Age of Altron all she can do is throw objects around. He did not know she had the power to erase someone's mouth. Even when their strange had the darkhold he was not that powerful.

[@MrGTO86]

Smartest man doesn't mean Wisest man. But I get what you mean.

[@ThatJohnnyGuyyy]

The Illuminati were portrayed accurately because in this universe, everyone in the Illuminati, including Richards, are very arrogant, egotistical. It's basically the "ego-maniacal superhero group" universe. Their personalities are different in each universe. But, with that said, even then, your point makes it pretty funny that he is the smartest man in that universe and still tells her that anyway. Goes to show, with anyone, arrogance is one's downfall.

[@mothman4191]

To be fair. Wanda having vague powers has been a problem in comics too.

[@conserztasfia0078]

And pretty much everything else, her being insane over the loss of her imaginary children and getting away with any damage she causes etc

[@joelrasdall7662]

Yeah of all the MCU versions of comics characters (*cough* Carol Danvers *cough*), Wanda bugs me the least. She was always unstable and always had plot-driver level powers. I'm all-the-way done with the Marvels et al, but I was fine with Wanda here.

[@chris092283]

Wanda:"im not a monster im a mother". I'm surprised they didn't make her say. "I'm not a monster im a person with the capacity of pregnancy"

[@pb.j.1753]

???

[@Tu-Li-Oh]

Fr, but I guess they tried to hide "the woke" a bit.

[@bl8388]

"I'm a potentially birthing person who can chest feed just like anyone else can!" - Wanda

[@spider-man500]

You are right. What's the point of bringing in talented directors into the MCU when the MCU directs themselves?

[@LunaticFringeReviews]

I feel like this wasn't Sam's vision. He probably wanted to make his own (likely better) story, and the studio took over and made this lame shit.

[@ayeskidman9269]

Blame Disney not marvel they used to make a good amount of movie before Disney bought them.

[@simplespider2310]

@you know this ??????????????????? why

[@davfree9732]

This is why for all its faults, DC’s approach of letting Directors make the films they wanted had a benefit. When Marvel is good they are good. When it sucks, it sucks. With D.C., you have to take each film as it’s own thing.

[@Darth_Vader.731]

@@ayeskidman9269 Sony's Gucci tho

[@charliemunson7467]

Surprised you didn't point out how easily Wanda dispatched the male members of the Illuminati while the female ones got to actually fight.

[@Arklay_98]

Because strong female character okay remember its apart of the bigger picture that is "THE MESSAGE".

[@adammccaw]

Eh it‘s nitpicking. The female power shots in Endgame and Infinity War were worse. Besides, technically Charles was the last one left standing and arguably did the most (And was the nicest to Strange). I won‘t deny that it was probably the intention of the writers to drive that point home, but it wasn‘t really that bad.

[@sherlyn.a]

I'd understand if discount captain Marvel got to fight---at least considering the type of powers that she has. But discount Captain America? How do Reed Richards and Black Bolt get killed, but a character who can only fight melee does not?

[@wwehulk8798]

@@sherlyn.a Guess Wanda wanted a fair fight for the non-powered one (well if steroid enhancements count as powers) XD idk honestly.

[@MeganTurney05]

It makes sense that captain marvel survived as long as she did because she also had the powers of an infinity stone (even tho she was killed by a statue falling on her) but there’s no way Captain carter could have lasted just as long.

[@jameswest6232]

I remember hearing that Olsen wanted this to be her last MCU film. I guessing that talk happened right before writing and Disney just said, "Sure, but your character's going out like a psycho." - I'm honestly afraid of how bad MCU films are going to get now before Disney realizes that they should have pulled the plug after Endgame and gone out on that high note

[@kalel1805]

I do agree. With Endgame, at least they had a clear concise goal to work towards, with movies coming out that told individual stories but still allowing them to build to that movie. A few weren't really needed in the grand scheme of things, but at least they had somewhere to go with it all. Now in the post endgame Marvel Universe, they're just making shit without a really clear endgame. Hell, in the early MCU we knew pretty early on that Thanos was going to be a thing and part of the reason he worked so well is we had a little under a decade of buildup leading to him. Now it's like they only make product for the sole purpose of advertising even more product. The frames there, but the soul of what made it work in the first place is missing.

[@Us3r739]

We went from seeing the avengers fighting Thanos to seeing a green lard twerking on screen, good job marvel!

[@gideonmele1556]

This is Disney, the beast does not understand ‘ending’ something they can continuously use even if that IP has been killed off and lurched back from the grave a few times

[@pb.j.1753]

Even this shitty film made close to a billion dollars. As long as this happens, the films will continue.

[@shuttittuppitt9355]

@pb.j I HOPE that after the backlash over "The little (Wakanden) mermaid" & "Snow Brown", Disney will rethink their agendas. But I doubt it. Disney probably will keep up their "torch the past" agenda until they bankrupt themselves.

[@whisped8145]

I had hope for a great Doctor Strange movie that focuses on Doctor Strange, and some cool complex and smart extra-dimensional villain - because that's his job. He gave me a Sherlock Holmes of the MCU-vibe, with all his books and artifacts, his thinking everything through and seriously trying to outwit extremely intelligent beings above human comprehension - but none of that happened here. This was just "running after delusional insane narcissistic antisocial magic woman". There was nothing smart in this movie, and that it even dared to try to make me sympathize with this deluded unempathetic wretch is insulting to boot.

[@Boom12343]

Well said, the worst marvel movie is phase 4 apart from externals

[@MM-xn6tn]

Wasn't the entire third act of Strange's debut film about him willingly putting himself in a neverending death loop all for the sake of protecting reality from an eldritch god? That seems like the exact opposite of everything Wanda's been doing post-Endgame.

[@st4ne4rmthevill63]

Yeah but nobody in universe knows he did that

[@Cobalt20]

This comment is exactly why Wanda’s complaint that Strange’s breaking the rules makes him a hero, and hers a villain, makes me just…dislike her so much. Her arguments don’t actually add up and are just immature, posing as deep thought.

[@Yourghostuncle]

The scene where she says Strange shouldn’t talk to her about sacrifice blew my mind because this man has literally died more than anyone ever will to protect the world.

[@sandeepsrinivas7]

I am surprised no one mentioned the "You can do it" monologue at the end when Strange says the magic word "you can do it" to Bolivia Chavez and suddenly Puerto Rico Chavez can control her powers.

[@jimmyjon9970]

@@sandeepsrinivas7 just trust yourself. The power was in your control all along

[@eyesyt7571]

Wanda has the most inconsistent powers. She can warp reality, but a little cave in stops her in her tracks.

[@gwagwa4685]

Wanda de-exists black bolt's mouth but can't do the same for peggy's hands/legs/vital organs. Plot.

[@stefanm2731]

@@gwagwa4685 Beat the two Male heroes with ease but struggled with the two female heroes. Gee blatant much?

[@ZenKrio]

She allowed the cave in to kill her... CLEARLY..

[@korawitbuttramee618]

@@stefanm2731 I mean, Reed and Charles came off as more reasonable and good natured but still overconfident in their own ability. Meanwhile, Capt Marvel and Carter were just as cocky as the guys but they were much more stand-off and condescending. That said, that 'battle' was unnecessary. What stopped Wanda from, I dunno, force choke the fuck out of Captain Carter with her magic? It didn't stop her from killing Black Bolt (who was vastly powerful that Carter) and Reed by overwhelming them with powerful magic from the get go.

[@crapsound]

Ahh yes, despite everything, they cannot overcome the most powerful entity in all of story writing: The Plot and all its other incarnations such as Plot Armor and Plot Device.

[@nguyengiaphong1346]

Wanda saying she doesn't hurt anyone and she's not a monster at the end had me ROLLING. Jesus who allowed that in the final cut?

[@vladimirlagos2688]

I still believe Agatha Harkness would have made a far more plausible, believable, and threatening villain than Wanda for this movie, especially given the writers clearly did not want to fully commit Wanda into a "villain" role.

[@therabitoshowrules]

Yeah but they used Wanda to get people to see a Wanda movie. Unfortunately since endgame MCU largely relies on cameos to get people to see the less popular movies

[@shuttittuppitt9355]

Remind us, how many children did Agatha have (but who didn't live in OUR universe)?

[@vladimirlagos2688]

@@shuttittuppitt9355 There could have been way many more plausible motivations other than children. Truth is, the way they approached the children angle in the movie was rather inconsistent and varied slightly from scene to scene, so they didn't even use that plot point all that well in the end.

[@quaest]

She's a TV actress though

[@vladimirlagos2688]

@@quaest So was Ant Man, remember? People do make the jump to the big screen ( and vice versa) all the time.

[@RogueFox7050]

“They will never know what you’ve sacrificed for them Wanda.” -Monica Rambo It’s good to know that the MCU continues to pretend that Wanda did nothing wrong in WandaVision, which causes that line to become even more dreadful due to her actions throughout this film.

[@crisrustaad4436]

Definitely ruined her character

[@JabYT1]

Agreed

[@AzureRoxe]

It's even funnier thanks to this movie since Wanda actively possesses other Wandas [ruining her own life in other universes], forces them to murder people and flatout slaughtered the Iluminati. I guess all she did was also fine.

[@frisky_dart7273]

Uhh what? That was just one dumbass character lol. Literally the whole of Dr Strange she was shown as an evil psycho.

[@jam5369]

I mean... she died, they knew they couldn't let her character survive because she had gone too far?? Idk what else you wanted them to do

[@willverschneider1102]

My only issue with the film was the whole "Dr. Strange is the greatest multiverse threat" claim. I was hoping this would lead to some kind of epic encounter with a really powerful evil Strange. Instead, we get third-eye introvert Strange who gets impaled on a fence.

[@yoink9148]

who forgot to use his power to prevent him from impailing

[@user-jv4wh7fi9j]

It's the whole fuTurE is FeMAlE agenda by Marvel one could expect more Marvel where in men= weak, incompetent losers or just evil bad guys women= strong, powerful, OP characters who are always right and reasonable

[@planetofthegapes]

Classic writing mistake: all telling about the threat, never showing it.

[@tranpaul4550]

"Dr. Strange is the greatest multiverse threat", and we watched Scarlet was kicking his ass the whole movie, yet get lost by the power of believe in yourself bs. Feel like DR Strange is the side character in every movie that he was in.

[@caldari_soldier]

Didn't the Ancient One say Strange is "the best of us" in Endgame?

[@seth8933]

Okay, the whole "Puerto Rico Chavez" bit had me laughing out loud, but I feel obligated to say that America is actually a name for females, at least in Mexico. The whole stars and stripes jacket was a bit on the nose, especially when there wasn't really any mention of patriotism or anything at all

[@catswellthecat7855]

I went into the movie knowing that there was a character named America but nothing else. When I saw here jacket I figured that was going to become Strange's nickname for her, not her real name.

[@dohavename6775]

I don't think he's arguing against the name itself? it's only turning distasteful when in American movie a young woman named America is wearing the US flag on her. I mean America doesn't equal US.

[@Pochi1]

@@dohavename6775 It does in the US.

[@matthewbreytenbach4483]

I think its what she wears in the comics.

[@shuttittuppitt9355]

"There wasn't really any mention of patriotism or anything." That's because she's from a DIFFERENT universe, & judging from her childhood flashback, that one probably didn't have a USA.

[@ShootingStar1313]

Doctor Strange. He's almost a secondary character in his own movie. It's more about Wanda and Latina Americana than about him.

[@kalel1805]

It's kinda weird how they've been doing that in their recent shows. Hawkeye was basically about Kate Bishop and setting up Echo. The Mandalorian and damn near every other character sidelined Boba Fett in his show, Obi-Wan was side-lined in his show for the inquisitor lady. Fuck, even the Mando got hit with this in Season 2 of his show, where he was more often than not sidelined for other characters with upcoming shows. It's like the shit Marvels pumping out is a really elaborate advertisement for another show that will most likely be an elaborate advertisement for yet another show and so on and so forth.

[@Us3r739]

Got a feeling that Blade is gonna be the only good movie coming out of phase 5. Ant man and gotg will be a Thor 4 and doc 2 repeat, the marvels will be DOGSHARTS, Captain America will be WOKE, and thunder bolts will be suicide squad 2016.

[@tristandevlin6667]

Several times in Phase 4, the writers expect the audience to sympathize for characters that are morally corrupt. It is weird how consistently out of touch they are.

[@ForumBlackwolfdave]

Its because the writers are morally corrupt and think they're the real good guys. You really have to be a POS to think wanda did nothing wrong at all in wandavision.

[@cosmicsnake3664]

It’s probably because most of Hollywood is morally corrupt

[@AoRArchAngel]

Considering everything thats been going on at Disney lately, is it weird, or is it getting understandable?

[@mikearchibald744]

They are called antiheroes for a reason, and they aren't something new. You don't need to s ympathize with a character to enjoy a movie. But this one sucked.

[@zoom7331]

Wandavision seems to be afraid to define Wanda as a villain and creates a subplot to say that she saved that entire population and that made up for all the brainwashing she did. it's horrible

[@mistermoon9305]

The fact that they just turned wanda into this genocidal monster because she misses her kids is so weird

[@Orokovet]

It was the dark hold.... That's what it has always done in the comics. She probably had the thought and left it at that but the book corrupted her and made her act on it

[@TuningAnApple]

I mean, was Wanda ever actually good?

[@onouphrios]

@@Orokovet this literally happened off screen bro, it’s bad writing

[@onouphrios]

@@TuningAnApple yes

[@Orokovet]

@@onouphrios it happened off screen because… we found out at the exact moment that Dr. Strange did. We weren’t supposed to have all the context. We found out when we did to show that she was already too far gone after reading the dark hold before she could’ve been talked down. And plus the end of WandaVision already showed enough. It’s only as bad as how you interpret it. It unfolding as what people consider “good writing” every time is what makes cliches

[@kellyj8816]

After WandaVision I thought they were going for a more anti-hero approach for Wanda as she doesn't act like a villain or hero (or vice versa: she acts a little bit like both). Some of the greatest characters in superhero writing are anti-heroes (Deadpool, Moon Knight in the comics, etc) and their complex/gray-area moralities just makes them that much more interesting. But then MoM happened and turned her into a villain who kills left and right but wait she's doing it for her kids so she's a "complex and sympathetic" villain! All that character development and for what? Why didn't you build on that, why make her another 1 dimensional character no one gives a rat's ass about?

[@lep2525]

You’re not supposed to empathize with her in this film. That ship sailed in WandaVision. I thought the ending made the fact that she was a monster pretty clear when her kids were scared shitless by the sight of her.

[@iambatman.5894]

@@lep2525 we were supposed to feel empathy for her. Nobody ever blames her for her actions and are always telling us about her sacrifice. Doctor strange 2.0 parrotted it the entire movie . 2.0 because he clearly isn't the doctor strange I remember before no way home.

[@curtiskay-lassels1633]

i got as far as chavez and strange jumping to a new universe. the stupid puke gag and making Dr.strange look goofy cause he "didn't think a different universe had different rules." could have been a fun scene bounced off of almost ANY OTHER CHARACTOR. but strange has not only handled similar shit before, but is like you pointed out, practically defined by his wisdom and foresight.

[@dakotadonde2432]

What makes me upset is how much they held back strange. Strange in infinity war in my opinion was the best strange we ever got. In infinity he turned a black hole into butterflys, summoned multiple copies of himself, and learned multiple possible paths that lead to their victory. But in here the only thing that was even close to that was when he was playing battle of the bands with himself. The rest was just him running and getting his butt tossed around.

[@ShadowSonic2]

Wanda is just that much stronger than him.

[@goodnessobah2926]

True

[@MikeJohnson-qy4wq]

It’s Phase II: destroy all the male characters

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@MikeJohnson-qy4wq As opposed to making all the women useless shrieking damsels...

[@flaviomonteiro1414]

@@ShadowSonic2 Thanos too, but the guy still pack a punch. I'd love to see more sorcery from Strange but they nerfed him...

[@DOOMStudios]

Wanda: “I made Mistakes And People We’re Hurt.” Doctor Strange: “I didn’t watch your Disney Plus Show.”

[@alwayslookingup70]

😂😂😂😂 exactly what it was!!

[@-Ryu]

Peter Parker: You don't know who I am, right? Doctor Strange: Who are you? Peter Parker: Great. Bye.

[@jam5369]

@LaVerdadEsMuyCatólica it really wasn't her movie lmao, like if anything, I felt like it was Wanda's movie more

[@martinstein9553]

And that's why I'll be skipping this one. And, no, I won't read the Wikipedia page on the show, either.

[@venglinorbi]

Strange was not brave enough to wach thats shit :D

[@Aesyrbane]

I like how Drinkers intoxication level is noticeably different in every video depending on just how much he had to drink to get through it.

[@romandaniels2415]

I find it pretty interesting that when Wanda finds Dr Strange in the alternate dimension, she immediately kills both of the men with ease, and yet somehow struggles to fight the two women, one of them significantly less powerful (Captain Britain, who has much less options) than the two men. I wonder if they’re trying to tell us something…?

[@wbwbc89]

Captain Marvel kinda makes sense, but for Carter that should've been very easy

[@iambatman.5894]

@@wbwbc89 Yeah black bolt is the one of the most op characters in existence. He still got a mob character ending.

[@anshsharma4131]

@@iambatman.5894 bro i remember watching that clip on shorts and i felt so angered and disappointed in the movie.

[@Smith.S.E.]

I was screaming internally during the movie, "Just find her a reality where her kids have no Wanda, easy" I'm glad you had the same thought Mr. Drinker, thanks for the video as always

[@halohunter111]

Unless she uses Chavez's power, she can only dreamwalk into realities that have a living wanda. As drinker mentioned, she could have just asked nicely and I'm sure Chavez would have obliged. By this point though, her mind is captured by the darkhold so the thought probably didn't occur to her.

[@johnpaulsabellano7415]

Wanda literally said she wanted Americas powers, in case her sons might get sick, the multiverse will have a cure.

[@maxthexpfarmer3957]

@@halohunter111 Yeah, it's her crazy contrived way to justify her evil impulses.

[@brycebitetti1402]

@@halohunter111 And isn't that just convenient? Her entire character was butchered just for a bit of flashy noise for 2 hours. All of her complexity is waved away with a magic book so she can become a slasher villain with a one-dimensional "sympathetic" goal.

[@TrollBot.]

@@brycebitetti1402 You obviously dont know Wanda or what she represents in the comics or in the cartoons! Hell not even Dinker and it's laughable! The movie made sense yall just slow! 😂😂😂🤣

[@aaronyoghurt9210]

1:21 America 1:30 Puerto Rico 2:20 Nicaragua 3:22 Costa rica 3:38 Guatemala 4:25 Venezuela 5:17 Honduras 6:05 Bolivia 6:21 Peruvia 12:26 Colombia 13:02 Mexico Did I miss one?

[@Gouthamedara]

@@theDuckysaurus is it racism? He is mocking the makers dum dum

[@Gouthamedara]

@@theDuckysaurus the implication being “the message” lol. The stars on the shirt. A bit much 😂

[@Gouthamedara]

@@theDuckysaurus its a joke. Have some humor

[@Gouthamedara]

@@theDuckysaurus You might have missed the one about humour. Not everything has to be about your feelings.

[@TheLoozerDonkey]

El Salvador, Panama, Argentina and Chile

[@satisfiedskullservant]

Thanos lowkey knew what he was doing. Had he wiped out wanda, the multiverse would genuinely have been better off. Half the population of one universe gone to inadvertently save several others.

[@TheVoiceofKizzy]

Wanda: you gave the power stone to Thanos. Strange: Yeah... to win. It was the only way... literally. Wanda: So...

[@TOONYBOY]

Time stone, but yeah. We needed so many more lines about that "this is the only way" line. Thanos points out that Strange never tried to use the Time Stone despite it having the ability to permanently trap someone in a time loop. He did it to himself and Dormammu. Have one of the other characters tell him to use it, and have Strange say something like "last time I did that I died 1000 times. I won't subject you to that". But that also doesn't work because he tried to use it against Ebony Maw when he was in significantly less danger

[@TOONYBOY]

Actually, that could have been interesting if Strange had trapped Thanos in a time loop, but after dying thousands of time, it turned out that Thanos was more committed to his goal than Strange was and Strange couldn't take the insanity anymore and had to find a different way to kill him.

[@MagCynic]

I find it disappointing how Wanda is billed as having these mega reality altering powers but we only see them once in this movie (when she takes away that guy's mouth). The rest of the movie it's just her throwing red magic at everything.

[@dudeonthemoon3290]

@Fenrir uh… teleporting in there and not seeing her go in IS sneaking. Also the point was they were in a dead end and she knew they were waiting there behind the door. I do agree she could’ve kept busting through the doors but then we wouldn’t get that cool witch shot

[@dudeonthemoon3290]

@Fenrir yeah that I agree, besides she’s so powerful to instantly kill 2 of the Illuminati members but just decides to fuck around with strange?? Like bruh half the the time Doctor Strange gets away from Wanda on some bs. But also uh turning off my brain? No I just like to watch a fun horror movie and it doesn’t have to be serious. It’s not like another infinity war/endgame or no way home. Doctor Strange 2 is supposed to be the beginning of this story marvel is doing, of the multiverse going to shit. And me personally and a lot of people I know enjoyed it. It’s a damn MCU horror movie… when have we gotten that before? A lot of people are just disappointed because their expectations weren’t met. While other people have actual reasons. Sam Raimi has been known to be corny, and there was a lot of corny dialogue and scenes. And also some of the directional approach from Sam raimi are inspired from 90s witchcraft movies which can be seen as outdated but I personally enjoyed it. I know some people didn’t and that’s fine but now people are just finding any way to shit on it.

[@FazeRustyNuts]

"that guys mouth" the blackbolt disrespectful from MCU fans is crazy 🤣 that's your first time seeing BB

[@safaricalamari7613]

@@FazeRustyNuts Dude can wipe out a city with ease if he actually screams (he rarely ever “screams”). Not to mention his most OP good dogo

[@waldoman7]

No, there was a side door that she found. While they were staring at nothing she was just walking around.

[@LoneWolf-wp9dn]

1:22 America 1:31 Puerto Rico 2:20 Nicaragua 3:22 Costa Rica 3:38 Guatemala 4:26 Venezuela 5:18 Honduras 6:06 Bolivia 6:22 Peru 6:42 Wanda Maximoff memorial tour 12:26 Colombia 13:03 Mexico

[@jada9401]

This was Hilarious I’m no longer calling her America Chavez

[@seige8621]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@dirtyscoreproduction]

Was looking for this 😂😂

[@tomklar4772]

@Robert Monroe no he didn´t after Colombia comes Mexico :D :D

[@cornelius8617]

13:02 Mexico

[@sharlene3848]

I agree! This movie focused so hard on trying to fit in as many agendas as possible that it didn't have time left to make sense.

[@augustdice3914]

I never really felt all that bombarded by agendas honestly. I think it was a mess of a film that lacked cohesion, thus certain elements stuck out that didn’t need too. It’s diverse cast felt like the foreground cause the plot was doing a bad job, I never felt it forced upon me. Honestly the agenda it seemed to hail was the comic book tease agenda. It felt very bloated by little things that didn’t make a good story but would make people go “ohhh it’s blank!” And I’m a fuckin nerd! They casted a fine representation of a modern society and forgot to make a full film for that cast.

[@sharlene3848]

@@augustdice3914 that is also a good take on it

[@augustdice3914]

@@sharlene3848 well thank you! I can certainly understand the sentiment of your feelings and can see it more with reflection of the film, but I really think the failure came in plot and execution, not the needless devotion to agendas. Take America Chavez, her character in its early creation in comics was UNDOUBTEDLY a creation of trying to appease “agendas “ even though that’s not really what people asked for anyway, but she was later used in exciting ways that allowed views and cultures that are not as represented in comics to shine and they didn’t try to sexualize her but allowed a teenage girl to have opinions and feelings that they normally would. Did they do much of that in the movie? Fuck no! She got as much characterization as the dark hold and this caused her smaller character traits, such as her pride pin, to take the foreground cause we had so little else to know or care about, thus making her seem like her purpose was 50 year olds hoping she is relatable and trendy. I just think she was a prop they cast a person for, like if the Darkhold had an actor!

[@killymxi]

"You are the ones pointing guns at me" etc is actually the most realistic thing about real world villains - deny and reflect back even the most obvious accusations.

[@bl8388]

Plus the entire context of WandaVision is that she was struggling with a mental breakdown. Soon after killing her man vision to try to stop Thanos, he turned back time and tore Vision's head, killing him, again. She soon retreated into her own world and created a fake neighborhood, and fake family life in a psychological break. She wasn't being reasonable about the guns, and her fake Vision husband had to convince her to let him, and the fake kids go. When your fake husband has to show you reality, you're struggling.

[@PeterDivine]

As someone who's read an America Chavez comic, trust me on this Drinker, I mean it: her having as little personality as possible is the absolute _best_ thing you can do for any movie she's in.

[@alejandrotorresriquelme8714]

The actress must have cook a lot of creampies to the executives to work there.

[@khawajarafay5415]

For an ignorant man like myself, can you explain why?

[@WhatDoYouExpectToHappen]

Please elaborate :)

[@Grubnar]

@@khawajarafay5415 What is wrong with her, in the comics, is pretty much everything that The Drinker just listed as being wrong with Wanda in this film, but ten times worse! Honestly, I was amazed by how they managed to make her bearable in this film, I previously though it would be impossible. But then again, I thought Captain Marvel was as bad as it could get, only to have this film show me that other, OTHER Captain Marvel who is even more unlikable! So I was impressed twice during the film. I wasn't expecting that. 8 out of 10, will watch again!

[@Directo13]

@@khawajarafay5415 she's the embodiment of every SJW and LGBT+ in her comics. And to top it off. Really badly written!

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

I love it when heroes stand around as a villain is killing one of them, so polite for the heroes to wait their turn.

[@mikewerner6906]

I said the same thing. But let the men die first.

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

@@mikewerner6906 Yep, you're exactly right. That was glaring.

[@Dragonage2ftw]

When did that happen?

[@Mopantsu]

@@Dragonage2ftw when she fought the Illuminati.

[@bruisedhelmet8819]

@@Dragonage2ftw Specific to this, is when Wanda kills Balckbolt and Mr. Fantastic and the rest just wait their turn to die.

[@TheGraysonYT]

One of the strangest things for me was how Professor X just died so easily. I though he was supposed to be the most powerful mind reading power dude around. What’s the point of Professor X if he’s getting bodied at his own power? And it’s not like he’s convincing anyone to stop their evil wrongdoings, so that doesn’t count either. And why is the ultimate team, the Illuminati, getting tossed into the garbage like a rotten tomato in the first place? That Illuminati scene made me question everything in this movie…like why is Dr. Strange was getting sidelined in his own movie? What is this, Scarlett Witch: Multiverse of Madness? And not to mention how ridiculous her reasons are for being a murderous psychopathic maniac and just how incredibly inconsistent and overpowered her powers are. It was extremely obvious how much plot armor the “main characters” had. She could instantly kill just about anyone who isn’t Dormammu or Dr. Doom and whoever else is around that power level. Like, here we have Black Bolt and Mr. Fantastic getting folded in 2 seconds, and then this random girl with a striped jacket is somehow escaping from Wanda every single time they meet, and beating her up using the ol’ one-two tactic at the end? The scaling of the MCU is absolutely insane and all over the place. Why is a random girl - who just showed up - using a Darkhold powered Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Scarlett Witch as a punching bag all of the sudden? There’s so many things wrong with this movie, but I’m going to leave it at that. Let’s just say that after I watched this movie, my disappointment was immeasurable and my day was ruined.

[@popeneiad7968]

For me, the most disappointing part was the defense of the Kharmitaj. Like we have wizards from every part of the country gathered up, and what magic do they use? Bows and Arrows apparently. And Strange was even shitting on Hawkeye in the previous scene, like did no one realise the irony? Imagine what sorts of cooler defenses and magic they could have employed to be used if needed… and especially Wong, the actual Sorcerer Supreme being treated like a ragdoll throughout the whole film, Strange can summon Hydras from his hands and Wong just… throws knives I guess.

[@whereDoCarrotsComeFrom]

I guess that's what the ancient one meant when she said "strange is the best of us" (sorcerer supremes) :lul, and kharmitaj and every sorcerer got nerfed after stranges death (and didn't power up when he came back), makes sense

[@mikehutchinson2191]

what drives me crazy if those portals are perfect cutting tools, and they used them a grand total of one time for that purpose and not even on purpose. Thanos could have been cut in half in 2 seconds when they were doing the gang up on Titan.

[@Galgus2000]

I'd be okay with it if they were shown to actually be effective thanks to magic: instead Wanda somehow gets a direct hit from a cannon and somehow isn't scattered across the battlefield. It was also just lame that Wanda was able to power through the defenses with absolutely no strategy or preparation. Have her attack it backed by demons she's been bringing in from other worlds instead: imply that she wouldn't have a chance on her own, but she's been tireless and completely unethical in preparing for this, and give us a good battle scene. But magic just does literally whatever the plot demands in this movie, with extremely useful spells being done once and never again.

[@axllebeer]

You are so right.

[@manolo.acogar]

Costa Rica Chavez!!!! LMAO🤣🤣🤣

[@bearpoop720]

Wanda : “I made mistakes and people were hurt” Also Wanda: proceeds to make the same mistakes over again

[@joshdavis6061]

😂 my biggest problem was how they made Reed Richards an idiot

[@jessicaHcat]

I really hate Wanda in this movie. The only thing stopping me from hating her even more is Elizabeth Olsen's beautiful face and pretty makeup.

[@Emma.Lou1]

Her growth in wandavision was completely forgotten about and disregarded. It was so stupid

[@jessicaHcat]

@@Emma.Lou1 I understand the movie tried to justify it by saying the Darkhold corrupted her, but I still find this very reaching.

[@TuningAnApple]

@@Emma.Lou1 I thought Wandavision ended showing her using Darkkhold as a bonus scene.

[@HoldoverGame]

"Squid monsters are the first step in establishing a good working relationship". I can feel a Critical Drinker entry into the management consultancy book market coming.

[@spideydew20]

I absolutely HATE what they did to Wanda and her story arc in this movie. I loved WandaVision, even if it had a few little flaws, and then they just completely trashed her character in this movie. "Yeah, but the Darkhold!" Piss off with that argument. Oh, and you're spot on in your assessment of Uruguay Chavez. Keep up the great work Drinker!!

[@iambuhlockay8007]

When you watch Doctor Strange fights from other films, and then watch him fight Wanda, it really comes off like he just forgets most of his abilities. Seriously, why was he nerfed so bad here?

[@Emma-ex8gx]

Because hes a white man, that's what Disney always does now

[@Kinosis79]

Can't have a white man beat a stunning and brave woman.

[@rjofusetsudzin8011]

because stupid unstopable horror wanda aspect. this is why you dont mix horror and comci book movie or otherwise everybody except villain has to be nerfed. Of course that completely does not absolve creators because they could still have action better despite being horro like Aliens for example.

[@danielkearns7665]

Strange definitely peeked at Infinity War. The creativity in his magical abilities and what he can do has been lost since then, and we only got a couple of little bits of that here.

[@YourCreepyUncle.]

Because Disney HATES men.

[@AdonanS]

So I'm not crazy. People have traveled through the multiverse before, but they need this girl to do it now for some reason. Also, given everything Wanda is shown to be capable of, I find it hard to believe dimension hoping is the one thing she can't do.

[@nocturnal101ravenous6]

Well to be honest, they broke the MCU with the Avengers Infinity movies. They introduced way too much stuff way too fast for its own good. 1- Time travel 2- Cosmic beings with no limitations with no actual context or small fish - big fish power checks 3- Multiverse/Alternate realities 4- Power creep and no actual balance from 1 character to another. If they really wanted to do Infinity war they should have just followed the Comic instead of making up BS and basically backing themselves up in a corner with the characters, there is a reason why all that stuff was introduced in specific series at different times in stages. It also doesn't help the garbage woke BS they keep trying to nonsensically throw into these movies.

[@LW1Tok]

@@nocturnal101ravenous6 okay Feige

[@Carlos-sr4pn]

@@nocturnal101ravenous6 what woke B's?

[@Carlos-sr4pn]

@Parmesan Cheese Addict I love how I didn't ask you, yet you replied.

[@BowmansWorld]

No those were time periods in the same universe u idiot not diff universes

[@prkr07]

I realize this is endemic to action movies in general, but I feel obliged to point out that America's punch on Wanda has some of the worst form I've seen. As in she absolutely would have broken her own hand had no superpowers been involved. It's not just the writing, but the choreography that's hitting the bottom of the barrel.

[@arminarlert1953]

I was watching this recently and it went to the scene where she and Strange are having an argument about the children she magically created and was desperate to be their mother. I was perplexed because I did not watch the series and if she did make magical children, my immediate question was the same as yours, why are these children so important right now? Like what happened to her love life Vision? Why is she prioritizing this magical children she never had anyway? 😂😂😂

[@quanganhle6148]

This makes sense for me. Now she knows the multiverse, she would want the real kids. The kids that would grow with her. The real ones that are mot her accidental imagination. But. Yeah, you didn’t watch the series. She created them in the Hex, which would never become the reality.

[@bl8388]

And this was after she already learned to let go of her kids and fake Vision husband in the series. Her fake vision husband literally got her to understand that. So they re-ran the entire "letting go of escapism after a mental breakdown so she can heal and move on," from WandaVision in Multiverse of Madness. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpzGi3p5eLB1j9E&ab_channel=BestScene This is the last episode of W.V. when she lets go of her fake family life she created with her own magic, and didn't realize was fake. She had such a traumatic time of killing Vision in End game, and then having Thanos go back in time and kill Vision again, right in front of her. This completely wasted her growth and healing in WandaVision imo. I sure hope she gets a counselor, and doesn't keep this cycle up by jumping back into her magic addiction.

[@Brolly5]

I noticed that when Wanda kills the Illuminati, Black Bolt and Reed Richards are killed outright with no legitimate effort to fight back. But Captain Carter and Captain Marvel put up a much better fight. That was bothersome.

[@jms0313]

It’s woke bs

[@newtears6688]

Movies are now for lonely housewives apparently.

[@thelazyguitarist1628]

Mary Sue beats up two Mary Sues.

[@marikroyals7111]

Not just that the male deaths are more graphic and shown while the female are less so. Carter may have been cut in half but we only see a bloody shield and her "top half" fall (could have shown her legs fall with the cut out of frame and her top half fall in front of the camera with the cut out of frame) and Marvel get "crushed" by a statue (she's fine going through a wall though) where her hand just falls, no blood pooling.

[@AceGoodheart]

And don't forget Ms. America Chavez putting up a good fight too. This movie had Disney preaching to us throughout. From the pin she wore on her jacket, and having 2 mothers, and even her name itself. Disney is garbage. Bunch of groomers.

[@Suika_Ibuki_The_Drunk_Oni]

I'm starting to think the multiverse was a big mistake to bring into the MCU. Limitless possibilities are pretty insignificant in the long run considering we can only see one of those.

[@Mediados]

Before the multiverse, the MCU had at least some form of order or structure, but it kinda feels like with all these different universes and timelines they can literally pull anything they want without needing to explain it.

[@Crusader2012]

The Multiverse is a mess. And this movie is a prime example.

[@fernandoreimpell2818]

Also because in the end only one really matters. Not only in a story standpoint, but also from the audience's. Like sure is cool to see random bullshit dimension from time to time, but noone is going to chose the copies over the ogs. In spiderman it only worked because the other spiderman didn't exist for the multiverse, they were created as something separated and then got the chance to be integrated. Now is just going to be random shit created to impress the audience or the agenda and not to improve the story, like with an indian spiderman

[@batsaubattler3200]

yeah it's a huge double edged sword wen u bring in the multiverse

[@mateoreyes6921]

The multiverse in general has been a big mistake for Marvel since the 90s Deaths pretty much mean nothing when you can bring that person from other world

[@frenchexpat5601]

The gay mothers played absolutely no part except showing the audience: "see? we're so progressive we have gay parents" honestly i'm just tired of this

[@henderlaureano5734]

why are u ma dbout it tho? anyway im pretty sure that the unvierse that america was born in is only populated by women

[@shadowscythes]

agreed

[@tusk70]

...and Mrs. America wore a woke-badge .

[@julianlak1017]

@@tusk70 I missed that what was it?

[@tusk70]

@@julianlak1017 Yes, you can see it quiet well.

[@MeteorologistScottC]

If Wanda had the ability to chase America Chaves across the multiverse... then doesn't she already have the ability to travel across the multiverse? Why does she need America Chaves when she already has the power to chase her around the multiverse?

[@bradmenpes809]

"I'm not a monster; I'm a mother" - the most offensive line of dialogue in all of cinema history. Anyone associated with this terrible travesty of a film should hang their heads in shame. Same problems as Wandavision times by infinity. Phase Four showrunners seem incapable of learning from their horrendous mistakes.

[@ShadowSonic2]

Nah, there are dumber lines uttered by men in movies

[@yugen8195]

I mean , she’s evil- that’s her mindset- I’m pretty sure that’s what the writers were tryna portray. She feels like she’s justified because she’s a mother and she’s do anything for her kids. Like people are upset at her lines , but she’s a villain and she thinks she’s right , so her dialogue is gonna be crazy shit like that.

[@greenTechguy1]

@@ShadowSonic2 Really? I have a hard time believing that, do you have an example?

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@greenTechguy1 "I think World War 2 just started!" Josh Hartnett, Pearl Harbor "I live my life a quarter mile at a time" Vin Diesel, The Fast and the Furious Anakin Skywalkers' stuff about Sand. "I'm not a hero, I'm a drifter with nothing to lose" Tom Cruise, Jack Reacher. ""MARTHA"! Henry Cavill, Batman v Superman "Trick or Treat, motherf***er!" Busta Rhymes, Halloween Resurrection I can keep going.

[@greenTechguy1]

@@ShadowSonic2 Ok, myabe not the most intelligent, and I would still say none of them top that quote still, but let's say for argument's sake they do. They aren't both stupid and morally inexcusable, parading as a line that seeks to justify her in the movie.

[@PossumReviews]

2:37 - 2:51, because making a _strong female character_ want to bring her kids back to life is not as _problematic_ as seeing a woman pine after a man.

[@tomkerruish2982]

Always good to see you, especially here!

[@denimchicken104]

Lol not even a man. A fucking robot.

[@JohnDoe-gt3jr]

It's funny because Sam Raimi made MJ pine so hard for Peter in the OG Spidey Trilogy

[@ohiorushbaby]

HIT THE NAIL ON THE PROBLEMATIC HEAD.

[@setward2536]

@@JohnDoe-gt3jr kinda. She was with 3 different guys in those movies. Even cheated on Peter.

[@lankycide77]

I think your closing thoughts sum it up perfectly, Mr. Drinker. The most frustrating thing for me in things in life, particularly works of fiction, is when something has all the building blocks to be better than what it ended up becoming. It's like a pet peeve, but more intense. There's just so much room for a more fantasy-like Marvel superhero movie here, but it needs to respect the wider universe it takes place in, to stay within reason and the audience's suspension of disbelief.

[@jwc_1986]

Biggest complaint for me is how does an inter-dimensional being, birthed of two women, get named 'America' with corresponding stars and stripes on a jeans jacket?

[@DOOMStudios]

This felt like a Standalone Scarlett Witch Film more than a Doctor Strange sequel.

[@T0NYMANUEL]

U are fucking right

[@crisrustaad4436]

The message.

[@4deleDaz33m]

It is tho. This is more of WandaVision season 2 than it is a Doctor Strange sequel. The movie was more of focusing on Wanda's obsession with her kids and America's power than with the Multiverse and some plot threads of the first DS movie was completely ignore like Mordo being the villain in the post credit scene, where the hell is he in the MCU? All of the sudden we see a variant of him in another universe?? so the title was kinda misleading, it's more of Scarlet Witch in the Multiverse of Madness

[@Emma-ex8gx]

Well, disney+ keep sidelining all their male leads so it wouldn't surprise me

[@SpartyCubsFan]

@@4deleDaz33m Wanda’s not real kids, that is. That she tortured hundreds, thousands over for weeks, and (we think) murdered their pets? And aren’t totally sure what she did to the kids

[@TheStonedZone]

I've seen people defend Wanda's weak motivation of wanting her imaginary kids to be real, by comparing it to Kingpin's motivation in Into The Spider-verse, saying his was considered okay because "it's a man". The difference between them is that Kingpin's family was REAL. He went through the pain and suffering of losing real people. He wants to undo the end of someone real. Meanwhile Wanda just wants to live in her own "real-life" fanfiction of her imaginary children. Seems like a bit stronger of a motivation for Kingpin to me.

[@robertcunningham1695]

Well also Kingpin is undoubtedly the villain of the movie, and even his family died because of their shock and horror at his actions. The movie and writers didn't try to paint him out as anything but a villain, his tragedy was entirely his own.

[@vcamv2354]

Also also, if she was so happy living with imaginary husband anf kids, why not make it again on her new Hex? There's NO ACTUAL REASON for her life on her new massive deforestation Hex to not be perfect with kids and a Vision

[@BarNarDar]

Also, Kingpin is THE VILLIAN where Wanda is portrayed as a SeLfLeSs HeRo

[@toddkes5890]

If Scarlet Witch got into a different universe, that Wanda might actually appreciate the help to take care of the kids. An extra Wanda to help clean up, an extra Wanda to read the kids to sleep, an extra Wanda to help around the house, etc. As for the husband, I'm sure he could think of something that rhymes with gleesome

[@alsmith9853]

Actually this film is fairly based if you look at Wanda's motivation. After all here's a woman who could be the most powerful being ever, but all she wants is to be a soccer mom.

[@joeschmoe3665]

She felt so overpowered in this movie the red glowing power of doom was real

[@efrainvillamizar6091]

I wish there were these magical books where they would help the writers with characters powers, storylines and purpose but man too bad nothing like that exists

[@shuttittuppitt9355]

That's especially ironic since the whole SAG/UNION strike BS, which was (mostly) them whining that AI might be able to do a better job than THEY can. To which I say, if an AI CAN do a better job than you can, then guess who REALLY deserves "your" job? (I just answered my own question!)

[@logan_sunday]

It really bothered me that you find out Chavez's "origin" and then it's never really addressed again. Would have been interesting seeing Wanda and America traveling the multiverse together. One a child looking for her mother and a mother looking for her children. Would have made Wanda's turn more impactful for me while also getting to know America a bit more.

[@st4ne4rmthevill63]

That actually would have been a cool way to end it.

[@rogueboner8138]

I personally don't understand why they keep beating the House of M dead horse when mutants aren't even really in the MCU and shattering Wanda's reality caused over half the mutant population to either die or lose their powers.

[@jmgonzalez4]

..and maybe also having Strange play the role of temporary dad for Chavez and work husband to Wanda and eventually learn that it might be worth it for him to put down the mantle & "knife" and have a family with Christine. At least you could create an internal debate and tension for the movie's supposed main character. (Although I woupd prefer having Christine along for the adventure, and having Strange and Christine paired up as dad and mum for a bit, tempting Strange to settle down).

[@SirBlackReeds]

Yeah, but then they'd have to make America Chavez a good, interesting character. Too much work for these writers.

[@urbent3147]

This is stranges film

[@macparoo]

My favourite part of the movie is when her two moms got sucked through the portal. For whatever reason that was the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while and it made me almost choke on my popcorn.

[@depthsofabjection]

lmfao "my two moms" by itself is the fucking funniest shit ever

[@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214]

@@depthsofabjection because in the Chinese dub they are going to say "My mom and my Aunt" or Something like this

[@ArcanePath360]

@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 OMG you are probably right. I'd like to see what they do with the Chinese version. I wonder if this is why they made Wong the Sorcerer Supreme, to please the Asians?

[@Hyperion4K]

bro dude same i fucking choked on my water

[@jjprs3062]

Don't forget that the trajectory of America's entire story is that she got scared of a bee lmao

[@sandshark2517]

Honestly, I just watched the film for visuals and to kill am afternoon with friends. Seeing the two doctors fight with music and zombie strange were my favorite scenes. The story is kinda dumb but was fun to watch Scarlet Witch rip and tear the side cast

[@Marioman110000]

Got to love how they brought in their first Mexican hero and her only power is jumping borders

[@capthavic]

The fact that they still refuse to hold Wanda accountable for her actions is enough reason for me to avoid this film. It's utterly insane and borders on parody at this point, like the writers are doing it just to spite us now.

[@Dagenspear]

Why take his word for it?

[@lugbzurg8987]

Oh, they've been doing that since Phase 3.

[@MasterBlaster3545]

Give it a watch because it is still good as he said if you do not think about the plot too much. Just the visual spectacle is worth it and there are plenty of sites to watch it free when the cam version changes to the proper version.

[@dieneksler1499]

How do you hold someone he is so powerfull acountable. Why can’t people just enjoy a villain?

[@dr.juerdotitsgo5119]

They can do whatever the hell they want. They know you dumbasses are going to pay to see any superhero movie they shit out no matter what.

[@sulam0166]

Wanda: Loses brother in Age of Ultron but does the right selfless thing in the end Also Wanda: Turns evil for imaginary children

[@smokingcrab2290]

Woman moment

[@sigmathanos5030]

Woman moment (2)

[@ishteerashid5458]

Woman moment (4)

[@salsichalivre5401]

The message is that women should not have kids in the first place, because they get disturbed by it and commit crimes. That is obviously nonsense but it is The Message

[@TK--hf6db]

Woman moment(5)

[@rileyjfosbre6383]

I interpreted Chavez taking food as a joke that she’s been inadvertently shoplifting across the multiverse and didn’t notice until now.

[@CDNCtiezalbo]

If wanda can remove someones mouth at will without so much as a moments notice, what was stopping her from turning thanos's hands to nubs to stop him from using the gauntlet? Or straight up sealing every orifice in his body to suffocate him

[@storyguy9759]

When I saw that a f*cking bee is what caused America to kill her parents, I literally LOL’ed in the theater. It was hard to take the movie seriously after that. You might even say that it stung 🐝

[@Acromion11]

I bet you didn't know Amber Heard's dog stepped on a bee

[@lorenzocassaro3054]

What the heck do you mean? (I haven't watched the movie)

[@weapontheory]

@@lorenzocassaro3054 As a little girl, America Chavez got stung by a bee and she screamed so hard that she created a portal that sucked her moms away.

[@lorenzocassaro3054]

@@weapontheory If you hear a shockwave, it was my facepalm

[@junreaksaa]

🐝 bee's are the worst! Have you seen MAN vs. Bee?? Almost ruined a mans life.

[@dannypalin9583]

Dr Strange: Some archer with a mohawk won't be much help with interdimensional monsters. Also Dr Strange: Uses archers to defend Kamar-Taj against Wanda.

[@naufaladryankusmana8128]

@@thighguy4534 i wonder where are military and police was in Marvel.

[@kronozord8346]

@@naufaladryankusmana8128 Nowhere because fire arms and bombs could solve a lot of the problems really fast.

[@3takoyakis]

First they don't trust earth military Watch that there's ONLY asgard sorcerer and wakanda military when strange summon a portal NOONE wants to bother to ask earth military

[@3takoyakis]

Hell, asgard still have full arsenal of their military even though thanos and surtr wiped most if not all of them Endgame is just glorious fan service smh, infinity war is better

[@commandercaptain4664]

@Thigh Guy They’re too busy fighting GoBays.

[@ilikecinema33]

I really like what you said about magic and it needing to have limitations within a universe. DC does this with Superman really well by making magic (ironically enough) one of his weaknesses so characters like Shazam are able to beat the breaks off him if needed.

[@yikkinyingyang549]

The reaction of Critical to Wanda response with the Thanos episode it killed me got me laughing like a maniac in the middle of the Streets!! 😭😂😂

[@nicholasloduca6668]

I've never really understood why some people defend Wanda so much. Like with WandaVision, they always use the excuse 'She was grieving' when she took an entire town hostage and defend her actions to the hilt. But in Hawkeye, where Clint is trying to atone for his mistakes and spend time with his family for Christmas, people say 'This is all your fault, just because you lost your family doesn't give you the right to go around murdering people. Others lost their family too!'. Couldn't the same argument apply? Is there something I'm missing?

[@_carbon.acid_]

Because she is a strong, independent woman who is damaged from the inside, please have some sympathy for her, she has lost everything and is the most broken character in the MCU right now🤣🤣

[@majokalapayo8123]

@@_carbon.acid_ THE MESSAGE!

[@David-Field.Stuff01]

Yeah. Same people defending the red witch that rationalised the dragon mother woman burning an entire city to the ground with its population in game of thrones.

[@David-Field.Stuff01]

@@_carbon.acid_ shes not strong and independent if she needs to take other peoples lives to create her own. No excuses for psychotic behaviour please.

[@_carbon.acid_]

@@David-Field.Stuff01 My comment was supposed to be Sarcastic bro 😂😂

[@Krazzy88]

Wanda: "I made mistakes and people were hurt." Wanda's mind: "and I'll do it again"

[@All2Meme]

Sort of describes Hollywood in a nutshell, doesn't it?

[@Adamatronamus]

Oh no. Did I say that or just think it. "I gotta think of a lie!"

[@tailedgates9]

To be fair, I'd rather she embrace her powers and go insane instead of having her head patted and being relieved her consequences. Like a lot of Wanda stans seems to still be doing. Lol

[@aswqaswqaswqaswq3966]

Generally her choices, although bad, are really understandable. She has very good motives for doing what she is doing. But that's not enough to justify her because these good motives are actually good... for the villain. Like with Thanos when we could understand why he did what he did but still knew it was horrible. It's because understandable motives are for villains. Heroes are the ones who choose to sacrifice himself DESPITE the fact that they don't have to. That's why Avengers were heroes - Strange never had to day countless times (we don't know how much it was. I could be 10 times, it could be 10 mln times). Cpt. America never had to sink himself into the ocean. Stark never had to snap... So in the end I think that Wanda is pretty well written character... but as a villain. So as long as she is evil she does great job. What's wrong is that everyone tries to justify her and make her a hero while she is a great example that being a hero takes much more than having super powers. If they wanted a redemption for her it couldn't be in the blink of an eye. Just like with Loki who at first was only a great villain with understandable motives and only in the end he redeem himself by giving his live for a greater purpose.

[@DeepEye1994]

@@tailedgates9 That's my issue, I WANT her to be some kind of villain protagonist who isn't afraid of staring at the abyss and not caring how people perceive her. Think about "Joker", the MCU would NEVER dare make a film like that, instead we should see Wanda as noble because she let go of human lives that didn't belong to her, and now as an excuse for her brutal actions in Multiverse of Madness "Uuuuh... It's an evil book that made me do it!" FUCK OFF, FILM!

[@spinny003]

People keep saying that Elizabeth Olsen and Benedict Cumberbatch turned in great performances in an otherwise bad film. Am I the only one who disagrees? There's a few moments of great acting (the best being when Wanda sees her children cower in fear). Olsen's acting in that scene was spectacular and was the only time I felt anything for these characters. Another nice bit of acting was from Sir Patrick Stewart, the moment when he apologizes to his Steven Strange for having to execute him. Stewart's pained expression was spot on and despite only just meeting him, it really felt as if he's had a long relationship with Strange. But everything else felt mediocre. My biggest problem was with the line delivery from everyone. 9 times out of 10, the line delivery reminded me of the CW shows. I don't know why, but things felt off when I first watch this in cinema. My sister's agreed with me. Whether it's the dialogue, acting, direction, or a mix of all of them, I think the acting overall was mediocre.

[@Tential1]

" we can handle the Scarlet Witch just fine" Proceed to die, while no one seems to care after teammates are dying to something that they supposedly had completely under control...

[@Diabolicalus]

"Who the fuck wrote this shit?" Dude who wrote Loki. Explains everything. The standard of hollywood writing these days is the worst it has ever been, im sure of it.

[@DistrictTribute]

@Robert Monroe that's great news. Hopefully he's not writing anything for marvel anymore.

[@billabonggolkpr]

I've never watched Loki after getting a synopsis of the story but if I had known that fact that the dude who wrote that also wrote this I would have saved myself $30 or spent it to see Northman again.

[@Diabolicalus]

@Robert Monroe Sadly i'm sure he will be replaced by someone just as crap and inexperienced.

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@billabonggolkpr The Northman was more poorly written than this.

[@Stigma-ba115]

@@ShadowSonic2 wrong

[@ColeBeeRyan]

Also, plot hole... in the first Strange movie, Mordo says that sling rings open portals that allow travel through the multiverse. Oops!

[@uajrh1]

Don’t recall that being said.

[@ColeBeeRyan]

@@uajrh1 I suggest you watch it again. The scene where they train sling rings.

[@joshhole8250]

Can confirm he says that, just went to check, good spot

[@kingsquester136]

Oh snap ^^ now thats some worthy trivia.

[@thenexgamer5608]

He was on about the different dimensions, like the mirror dimension or dark dimension. They do use the term "multiverse" so it confused me too, I'd put it down to marvel doing retcons about what the multiverse is

[@lorenzocassaro3054]

Right now, on the top of my mind, I just imagined an alternative backstory that could also tie America to Scarlet Witch: she wanted to bring back one of her parents from the dead since the day she accidentally opened a window on another universe and saw a glimpse of her, ignorant of the fact that she just saw another version of her mother. What happens next is that her attempts at creating portal rifts end up catching Scarlet's (I'm sorry, I can't recall her name, have mercy!) attention. But why? Because America's power does not simply rely in opening rifts to the multiverse, but in actually pinpointing things and people in it: she's basically a human GPS in the borderline crossover of a trillion different roads that is the multiverse. Basucally, the only one that could find Scarlet a new world to get her kids back, without having to spend literal eons trying to find the perfect one. This, in turn, would create the problem of Doctor Strange and others having a way back. Maybe they could use some sort of "Reality Anchor" based on the sling rings? An idea like that would work in what the original trailer implied the movie to be: an exploration of the Multiverse gone wrong because of some alter-ego loosing his mind and... I may have gone a bit too far...

[@yukijenkins86]

it was so funny when they were talking, making jokes, and walking calmly instead of running when they had limited time to save the whole world.

[@remander3873]

I learned that Chavez fears bees, had 2 moms that she inadvertently killed (?), punches hard, can open multiverse portals, and (of course) knew how to use her powers all along. That's about it. No real character development. She was basically a plot device.

[@ShadowSonic2]

You must have been pissed that Luke Skywalker could finally use the Force at the end of ANH to destroy the Death Star.

[@KyriToe]

@@ShadowSonic2 wrong starkiller walks out of doctor strange portal and chokehold entire universe while Luke skywalker is banging his sister on the death star What type movie did you see 🙌🏻

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@KyriToe I saw the one where Luke can't use the Force the entire movie until the very end.

[@BB-ed4om]

@@ShadowSonic2 uh why? Because we got to know him?

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@BB-ed4om Because he can't use the Force till the very end and then uses the Force to save the day. It's a classic Hero trope.

[@JohnDoe-zr8pc]

It’s funny how Di$ney pushes this message that almost everything is free in other universes, but they charge an arm & a leg to go their theme parks in real life. They also charge around a 500% markup on their food and drinks as well, which is 66% higher than a standard markup for food & drinks that places normally charge. Ya, no hypocrisy there, huh Di$ney?

[@bromododragon2252]

Hurts is QB1, baby!

[@razorbeard6970]

I guess you missed that joke. She thinks food is free because she's had to scavenge or forage for food but, the minute she says it...the foods not free in this universe. It's just childish criminal behavior.

[@thebman02]

@@bromododragon2252 hasn’t he been Qb1

[@bromododragon2252]

@@thebman02 Yeah but this guy obnoxiously spams how much he wants Kenny Pickett

[@Shuizid]

The reason capitalism is so successful is in part because it can turn it's critique into a product. Disney is no hypocrit - it's literally selling the idea of anti-capitalism to make a profit, knowing full well people will pay to see this utopia, while doing fckall to achieve it. To them, this is as much a fiction is Dr. Strange fighting the squid-monster. It's the same with "the message" - just a list-item to check for marketing, not something the people behind it actually care about or fight for beyond polishing their image. Neither are actual convictions behind the scenes and thus both are implemented so fking bad.

[@vasheroo]

There were times during this movie that I really wondered if they snuck in an R rating. They probably pushed it as far as they could considering some of the horrific deaths that occurred.

[@nicholasvinen]

I'm not a huge Raimi fan but I must say his presence was noticeable and refreshing. I like that it ended up a bit darker. But I agree with Drinker that the plot was a real problem and Wanda was a terrible antagonist since she basically doesn't have a weakness. I expected the Dr to do something awesome and after the opening, he was mostly just hanging around.

[@Dowlphin]

Possibly the single most annoying thing for me is stupid plot advancement, because I already loathe having to deal with stupidity and incompetence in real life, and when main characters constantly appear as dilettantes, it feels like being cheated out of my time. And this issue is ancient in filmmaking and can become quite abundant. I am watching Stargate Atlantis recently and it is often upsetting because of this, with characters strenuously dodging the most obvious path of action towards a solution just so that the sloppy plot can happen. - I don't remember this crap in shows like Farscape, but I can't continue watching that right now. Star Trek TNG has this issue, too, but at least there it was contrasted with otherwise thoughtful storytelling and so the flaws in writing actually became material for good-spirited discussion.

[@JimOMoore]

The fact that "A Kevin Feige Production" was more prominent than "A Sam Raimi Film", points to where the issues mostly lie. I went into this hoping for a Raimi movie, but it felt like only about 10% of it carried his DNA.

[@Asaylum117]

If Sam Raimi had full control of this project, then we could have gotten a much darker & serious film, with better writing as well.

[@nenmaster5218]

That Start-Speech of C-Drinker sums it all up. I want to extra-mention the amount of Plot HOles though and say: Not just Wanda's Ability were undefined but ALL Rules of Magic. I couldnt ever feel Tension because Everything could happen.

[@HipsterKhan]

I didn’t even know he directed the movie until the end credits. But it felt like a Raimi film the whole way through for me and then it all clicked when the credits rolled. The Bruce Campbell cameo was totally a dead giveaway but, I’m also kind of slow.

[@go_better]

#FiegeShouldHaveLeftAfterEndgame

[@miniman2132]

@@HipsterKhan yeah, it is becoming fairly clear to me that many anti MCU commenters are just using Sam Raimi as a stick to beat this film with .. because this was very much a Sam Raimi film in the confines of the MCU, which is how it should be. There MUST be an element of control from Feigi in order to weave what continuous story they can in the MCU .. if you don’t like that, then take it up with Sam Raimi who agreed and is getting paid to direct this film. But regardless, if you don’t see Raimi’s fingerprints all over this film, you’re probably just pretending to know what a Sam Raimi film is.

[@GoldenThunderbolt]

Well...problem is, Wanda is one of the most broken Marvel characters. Her magic IS way off the charts and has no real limits iirc (House of M being the best example), which is why her skills are like a child's toy abilities: she will just add more and more to fit the situation. That's a big problem for the people making the movie. But indeed, she's being mishandled badly. Same for Doctor Weird, who seems like he lost some braincells after Infinity War.

[@justtime6736]

Power creep. Superman is now immortal when before, he jumped high.

[@DailyDoseOfRandomLogic]

Superman reminds me, marvel now has a superman problem. Wanda is so messed up powerful that she's superman now. Killing her off is the best solution right now but if she survives, I don't know what sort of paths the writers will take her (Hopefully House of M)

[@RockOfLions]

I really preferred Wanda when she could manipulate probability - that was an interesting power. Now she's one more character who can do anything and lacks any sort of wisdom, foresight or emotional intelligence. If they were going for a female superhero here, they only created a supervillain and lack the consciousness to recognize it. I don't recognize this Scarlet Witch that bears the name of the older more interesting character. If they wanted to pander to the folks who still claim that any extraordinary power comes from demons they're on their way.

[@thebatman4279]

Doctor Stranger's stupidity is actually bewildering at this point.

[@NikolaNevenov86]

to me a character that has "no real limits" to his power is just a death sentence for any meaningful story. Yeah it's cool visually to make such a character, but in the end you end up wondering...well if he/she can do anything, then why don't she does X-Y from the start. And this...makes the whole story uninteresting.

[@masterofzebugframe9954]

“Nicaragua Chavez” Shit made me cracked up lmao (I’m Latino btw)

[@allenbanks9034]

Late on this one but you coursing through various countries to rename America Chavez is…brilliant. I am dying.

[@axelnext]

Reed Richards: hands down genius level intellect, probably most brilliant and strategic mind in the whole Marvel lore Also Reed Richards: GO GO STRETCHY ARMS AND HOPE FOR THE BEST!

[@Carabas72]

Well, that's comics accuracy for you.

[@redscyther7725]

Funnily enough, my 12-year old brother also said this exact thing

[@erebus7306]

That's his powers. I can guarantee you in any comics, Reed Richards attacks someone, it's with his main ability to be strechy. It's a comic book movie, comics are outrageous when you present characters like Batman physically attacking Superman. But clearly you don't understand you need to ignore some logical issues within these movies.

[@jbktpl1245]

Ironically that's pretty accurate to him

[@andre_santos2181]

I really thought Scarlet Witch would summon Dwight Schrute to deal with Jim Halpert.

[@lotwilliams1025]

I would say it felt like a children's show, but I distinctly remember episodes of teen titans and Ben 10 with more depth and a coherent story

[@dohavename6775]

The Apprentice episodes, Raven's fatalistic pre-suicidal day, episode where Starfire travels into the future and finds team disassembled... Ah, and the entirety of Terra's arc.

[@tiffanypersaud3518]

Those two cartoons have far more depth than many film series. They’re so solid.

[@fireblade9781]

@@tiffanypersaud3518 straight facts. the original ben ten shows were goated. although the new rerun on cartoon network is complete trash

[@cristi724]

Ed, Edd n Eddy episodes had more depth and more coherent stories that this bullshit movie.

[@ReeseLeeArt]

There’s an episode of I believe the Superman animated series where the death of one cop, ONE, makes Superman fly to apokolips to fight Darkseid. And it was treated like a huge deal.

[@ernievzla]

This was so bad... so bad that it made me angry It's like going to restaurant that has all the ingredients, almost infinite resources, elite cooks and a great chef... but they still gave me a shit meal Almost inedible

[@BoredomandVanity]

Lowry’s seasoning salt and black pepper should be enough flavoring for your meat. With a dash of onion powder😋🙌🥩

[@murrethmedia]

I enjoyed the movie because I'm able to suspend my need for reality and just enjoy some mindless entertainment, but when Wong says "The Scarlett Witch is a being of unfathomable magic; she can rewrite reality as she chooses." I thought How the Hell would you ever be able to even fight something like that? She could just walk up to that temple and use her magic to make it so none of the defenders there exist anymore. You see her use this power when she makes it so forky pig doesn't have a mouth anymore, but she doesn't use it to make what she wants happen... Why? Because Captain Britain hits her with a shield and Blackula Captain Marvel drops a sick burn on her.

[@DocReasonable]

America Chavez was the definition of a MacGuffin: 'an object, event, or character in a film or story that serves to set and keep the plot in motion despite usually lacking intrinsic importance.'

[@ShadowSonic2]

Sounds like Obi-Wan in ANH.

[@dcmastermindfirst9418]

You mean she was the meaningless DIVERSITY

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@dcmastermindfirst9418 Are you gonna whine anytime you see a nonwhite?

[@harrambou9468]

Couldn’t help but notice that

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@harrambou9468 It's not like it's anything new. Plenty of great movies do that.

[@heraldofwar]

The writer for this mess is the same one who wrote Loki, why is anyone surprised that hes done more damage to these characters and the entire MCU. Just once for the sake of diversity could Disney hire a writer with talent for a change!

[@LunaticFringeReviews]

Loki was a masterclass in character assassination

[@ricardoredway]

LOKI WAS DONE BY A CHIC

[@shar3859]

@@LunaticFringeReviews "Loki was a masterclass" 😕 "in character assassination" 😌

[@M8tallicJi8ngshi]

@@shar3859 Lol definately

[@Dookieman1975]

I mean I liked both a lot but they certainly weren’t perfect

[@crazygameplays1863]

4:14 thank you jeez I was wondering why nobody seemed to think about that

[@kaelward7592]

It's like Disney is so lost in the sea of it's own content that it doesn't care about story continuity anymore.

[@TheSecondVersion]

Charles: "If I had a penny for every time a redhead with uncontrollable godlike power killed me... I'd have two pennies. Which isn't much, but it's weird that it happened twice."

[@maxim196]

Wandas a redhead?

[@Briaaanz]

You gotta admit, wanda made for a better Phoenix than the X-Men movie versions

[@MB-lz5eb]

Who else can hear Picard's Charles saying that deadpan?

[@sigmacademy]

Well, considering how many times Prof X has been killed off now, it seems he's trying to go after Sean Bean's record? :P